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A Closer Look | Superman (2025)
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Adrian & Simon review & discuss director James Gunn’s first DC Universe film, Superman.
This deep dive review is initially spoiler-free and becomes spoiler-heavy at a very clearly defined moment during the discussion at the 14:23 minute marker. For a live-action video version of this podcast, please visit this link for a video on the Just Another Review Youtube channel.
This bonus episode was recorded in Canada on July 10th 2025.
Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:14 Spoiler-Free Review Discussion
14:23 SPOILER HEAVY Review Discussion
55:46 Closing Remarks & Final Review Score (spoiler-FREE)
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Transcript
Introduction to James Gunn's Superman Movie
00:00:04
Speaker
This is food. This is beans. But but yeah, let's get on with it then.
00:00:16
Speaker
Superman. Let's take a look, a closer look, Adrian, Superman, the 2025 Superman. the twenty twenty five superman there's another movie called Superman from years ago. But this is not. This is directed by James Gunn and written by James Gunn.
Casting and Performances
00:00:29
Speaker
And this guy is like a powerhouse. Honestly, man. Speaking of like people we we talked about that are really you know inundated with work, like Neil Druckmann. This guy must be like... he's dealing He's dealing with a lot of things, trying to run a universe.
00:00:43
Speaker
And then also writing and directing this movie. This stars David Cornswit as Superman, who's a not an unknown actor because he's in a few things, quite a few things. But he's mostly in side parts in a lot of the things that he's in for the most part.
00:00:57
Speaker
But I think that David Cornswit killed it. I think Rachel Brosnahan playing Lois Lane killed it. I think Nathan Fillion, speaking of Nathan Fillion, killed it. And he's in it a lot more than I expected him to be.
00:01:10
Speaker
yeah But I don't know. I think like overall the cast is great. I think the tone is interesting. James Gunn recently said that that this universe largely will be a different tone in every piece of – like every property, whether it be the Lanterns TV show or another movie like the Supergirl movie going forward.
00:01:31
Speaker
So i'm I'm super curious how – how things will go. Because we've we've seen what happened to the MCU and like the late game MCU after Endgame has kind of not been ah steady going. And it was such on such a
Characterization and Music Choices
00:01:45
Speaker
good roll. And I really personally, based on seeing this movie, I'm hoping that...
00:01:50
Speaker
The rest of the DCU can follow this trend because I really liked Superman. I thought it was excellent. And I recommend anyone who's interested remotely in Superman to go see this. Yeah. um But yeah, that's those are my kind of high-level thoughts on it.
00:02:04
Speaker
Oh, I also love the fact that the Superman is such a square. I think. I just so i love it. I love the music choices. He's just like a... Yeah, it's great. Sorry, I'll throw it to you. What did you think? No, man. Yeah, like I agree with everything he said. i think...
00:02:19
Speaker
the cast is phenomenal. I want to shout out cause you didn't mention him. I might be mispronouncing his name. Eddie get feggy. don't know how you, how do you pronounce the name? I'm probably saying it wrong, but he plays Mr. Terrific in this movie. oh yeah I think he's the standout. Actually, he was my favorite character in this movie. Funnily enough.
00:02:36
Speaker
Um, I think he adds like, there's this cool factor with them, but also adds a lot of comedy throughout the movie. Um, I only know this guy, um from uh or at least like from what i remember him from was he's in x-men first class he's like one of the kids in x-men first class so it's kind of crazy to see him come back i guess what like 15 years later 14 13 years later and now the dcu and playing this like major role in the superman movie really good isabella merced also in it uh as hot girl um yeah again we talked about her quite a bit because of uh last season two but um eddie uh got
00:03:17
Speaker
get ta I think you pronounce it. I'm pretty sure I don't how you pronounce his name. But he's he's in For All Mankind in a pretty huge role. he excellent And in it.
00:03:28
Speaker
Excellent. I've seen him in something else before that as well. But that's the most prominent role. Because that's many episodes. Any TV show, really, that you see. Like, Jeremy Allen White, I feel like
Comparison with Marvel's MCU
00:03:38
Speaker
I know really well now because we've seen so many episodes with him.
00:03:41
Speaker
Same with, like... um Diego Luna. Like, I don't see Diego Luna in that many things, but then you see him in, like, that many episodes of Andor. And it's crazy to think that Diego Luna is in Star Wars more than Harrison Ford. You know what i'm saying?
00:03:54
Speaker
Kind of crazy. Whoa. Yeah, that's good point. And Mark Hamill, to be fair. Oh. If you're on a TV show for that many hours, you're just – you're technically in the show – you're in the universe more. Yeah. It's just the way it works, but.
00:04:07
Speaker
But um yeah, don't know. This movie is really good. I think it has a very balanced tone as well. Like it's not it's not like a ha-ha comedy, but there's a lot of jokes spread out throughout.
00:04:18
Speaker
It's not dark and dire like the Zack Snyder movies, which again, you know like I love Batman v Superman. I think it's great. You know, I like Man of Steel. um I like Zack Snyder's Justice League. But, like, this is very different in tone.
00:04:32
Speaker
So if that's what you're hoping for, you're not going to get it, um simply put. But there are dark moments. It's not like... i think James Gunn is, a like, a master of balancing tone in
Movie Formula and Creative Choices
00:04:43
Speaker
in his movies. Guardians 3, I think, is is is actually his best example of that, where it can be very sad, but also very funny and very heartfelt.
00:04:51
Speaker
And I think... I personally think this is a little bit of a regression in comparison to Guardians 3. um But that's not necessarily like a super bad thing. I still say think this is very, very good.
00:05:04
Speaker
It's different. It's not the same tone. But again, I don't think it says like, it doesn't go to the heights or the extremes as Guardian does with the emotions that you feel. I think this is actually a relatively safe movie, personally.
00:05:15
Speaker
It does a lot of interesting things. But it, funnily enough, kind of follows the the original Marvel formula where the the hero fights a very similar villain to them at the end.
00:05:31
Speaker
And that's kind of the setup. Part Marvel formula, though, is that you... like you Yeah, actually, yeah. yeah It's funny. The movie overall is kind of a lot of fun. Yeah. We don't do an origin story, which is cool. like This starts right away. You know that right right from the get-go, which is like they just like they They skip a lot of the parts. like The Man of Steel didn't skip.
00:05:52
Speaker
yeah i guess which is cool um but yeah you're right in some way we can talk about it that when we get into the spoilers just be careful about ah but let's tread lightly on yeah of course topic it is a and the the cool part about this is this feels like a lived in existing universe like this universe has existed for for a long time and it kind of throws you in so it's interesting because it's always like in that way like the original star wars in that way like you you get thrown in in a more deliberate way and it's like not like The thing that I love about it is how much detail and thought James Gunn clearly put into it.
00:06:23
Speaker
And one of the things that I think represents this the most is what MCU is screwing up the most, is the power metrics. Figuring out where... one hero or one character or one monster is more powerful than the other heroes in the in the list.
00:06:38
Speaker
Figuring out where their powers come from, trying to define those elements of what makes characters fighting each other, one would win or over the other. That is super important, and I don't think they failed at all in this. And i think that's a detail orientation that James Gunn brings to this. that really This is why I think it sets the tone for the DCU, is that...
00:06:57
Speaker
I hope he just brings that level of detail. Like, I hope he's got a room somewhere where he's got a power hierarchy that he's not going to, like, adjust. Like, he's not going to just, like, have a director come in and say, you know what? I want Clayface to just be more powerful than Superman now.
00:07:13
Speaker
Like, no. He's not. So don't. are you Don't you mean Black Adam? Because the hierarchy of the DC universe is about to change, man, when The Rock showed up Yeah, right.
00:07:24
Speaker
It's Black Adamant. What a good movie that was. It's crazy. Crazy. What shit
Special Effects and Music
00:07:31
Speaker
show. what a but anyways we're on a bigger and better things um in regards to the special effects in this movie i think they're really good i think it doesn't really take you out of it there were a couple moments with crypto in in particular the dog like it's it's a cgi dog but he looks really good i kind of do wish that at least sometimes they had a real dog there yeah maybe you should put that dog in a harness you know i'm saying yeah dude
00:07:58
Speaker
Just fucking do that. Make make this cute dog. Because there's a lot of cute scenes with, um you know, it's in the trailer, but like Crypto lying on on Superman and like looking at his face. I'm like, this is really cute.
00:08:09
Speaker
But I kind of wish it was just a real dog. Like at those moments. Obviously, you can't have a dog fucking flying around, ri you throwing people about in like ah 780 twirl or whatever, a 720 twirl, a twirl, multiple twirls.
00:08:25
Speaker
But you could do something. You could do something. um
00:08:31
Speaker
Yeah, think- Music, really good as well. Sound design, really good as well. For sure. Sorry, sorry. Please go ahead, I interrupted you. No, but that's a great, i we could talk about music. Yeah, I think like the the score is really good. I think that the pulling in the original Superman score, like John Williams score,
00:08:47
Speaker
And then in using that was really, really great. And we so obviously saw that in the trailer, so we knew that was coming. um That's awesome. But then obviously, James Gunn's signature style, he loves music, clearly, and he loves various artists and not just using a score like a composer to make the music for his movies, but using using music in a grander way. And there's one scene in particular in about the middle point of the movie with one particular character that I thought was just like awesome. And there's lots of moments in the movie where he uses music and like, he does this in guardians as well, where he uses music and like fight sequences, like fight choreography.
00:09:23
Speaker
I think is just really, really great in general. And like the, the, the deep cut choices he makes to the songs he chooses or the bands he references in the movie in his movies in general are really great and they make these these songs popular as it has with guardians certainly over the years like with volume one especially like how like like uh hooked on a feeling is such a like ah a song that everyone like thinks about more than i had ever heard before that movie came out there's no way that that was as popular as it was maybe it was popular back then when it came out
00:09:59
Speaker
in the 80s but not like now it's again it got a resurgence in a way it's almost like when stranger things had that uh on a hill song yeah running up the hill yeah running up the hill yeah yeah that was a obviously resurgence of the song but yeah he just does a great job with that um it's awesome like james gunn's kind of a hipster but in like the the actual term hipster as opposed to the guy who's just wearing like a monocle and like you know weird clothing like he's actually a hipster he kind of sets trends in some capacity i find it's really good i'm i yeah i really love it that the the stylization the stylization overall though even in like the fight choreography and like the again it's all but the devil's in the details type situation which i really appreciate and the thing i think you didn't mention this guy yet but nicholas holt yeah amazing i think he was excellent like he was such a good choice for luther
00:10:51
Speaker
One of the great things about this as well is that Lex Luthor is such an intelligent character. I'll just leave it at that. like I think that James Gunn knows yeah what these characters are about, and he understands them in a fundamental way.
00:11:08
Speaker
And that's what makes this work in a superhero movie. This is like the almost the number one thing that Marvel needs to get right right now, and they're failing. and And James Gunn came out of the gate swinging.
00:11:19
Speaker
And he knew even in Creature Commandos, he he knew what the characters, the power the power hierarchy, I should start just calling it the power hierarchy is a better term than power metrics. Power metrics sounds like some kind of a situation with like your Hydro Bill or something. so But yeah, i feel like Creature Commandos...
00:11:37
Speaker
like, does the same way. You have a bunch of characters that have very distinct power sets, and to actually show where some would beat others I think is super important, and I think they understand that. He completely understands it here.
00:11:50
Speaker
But, yeah.
Character Chemistry and Future of DCU
00:11:51
Speaker
I think overall, what you saying before about James Gunn having, like, always bringing heart to his movies, this is exactly what he did here, and I think, again, the way David Cornswept plays this character in such a, again, he's ah he's kind of a...
00:12:06
Speaker
he's he's he I don't know. He's a pretty straight dude. You know? He's he's got, it like, not straight as in, like, sexual orientation. Well, I mean, he is straight sexually as well. but And his chemistry. That could be a spoiler. but Cool yourself.
00:12:18
Speaker
Cool yourself. In the trailers they're making out, dude. Him and Rachel Brosnahan. You never know. He could be bi. He could be bi. That's You don't know yeah There is actually a scene where, never mind.
00:12:29
Speaker
I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, right. But yeah, okay. Cool. Anything else you want to add before we jump slip into slip into trailers so has slip into spoilers for a brief time?
00:12:40
Speaker
um Yeah, I mean, again, like yeah I just briefly touched on it. I got to stop doing that. Slip into spoilers only for the the the people watching closer look. But yeah, we're not going to spoil it here.
00:12:54
Speaker
Again, David Cornswit and Rachel Brosnahan, their chemistry was palpable. I thought they – really great how that how well they play off each other. There's like this – Their relationship in the movie seems like a real relationship.
00:13:06
Speaker
It's complicated. It's not all roses. yeah there I want you to see more of them, though. Maybe that's my criticism of that. yeah I would like want to get and don't want to get into too much because it's maybe that's a spoiler conversation. But that you're right. That was really great.
00:13:20
Speaker
they're yeah They're awesome. theirre their whole Their chemistry is fantastic. you Yeah. ah Yeah, I think they they they do good stuff. I think Jimmy Olsen as a character in this movie, I don't think we see much of him in the trailer. He's played by Skylar Gisondo.
00:13:33
Speaker
i i I haven't seen this guy in too many things. Like, I think most recently I saw him in the video game The Quarry. made by like super massive. Like, I think he's like one of the characters in that, but I like Jimmy Olsen's like portrayal in this.
00:13:46
Speaker
I'm not a huge Superman guy. I'll be honest with you. Like I, I didn't, I never even watched like the original Christopher Reeve movies. I don't think maybe in passing, I've watched a few episodes of small bill here and there, but again, like I'm, I'm not much of a comic book reader in regards to that, but I think this was a really great jumping off point for this DC universe. It gets me excited about more to come. And, um,
00:14:08
Speaker
Yeah, man, this is awesome. If this is how the DCU starts, I'm i'm curious to see where it's going to go. I liked it. I liked it a lot. I think this was really good. Now we're going to start spoilers for reals.
00:14:20
Speaker
For realsies, it's spoilers time. Yeah, I mean, if you, oh, first of all, obviously, if you haven't watched Superman, I recommend it. Instead of listening to this podcast, this a closer look episode.
00:14:32
Speaker
But we are going to spoil the heck out of sp Superman now for certain aspects of it. I think we might spoiler some spoil some aspects. I don't know about that. We'll we'll avoid spoiling creature commandos, I guess. um Just, to yeah, why would we do that?
00:14:45
Speaker
But yeah, like no reason to do that. But yeah, we're going to spoil sport Superman. So if you don't if you haven't watched it, don't watch this. Don't listen to this. Adrian? um Lex Luthor and Superman really go head to head here. And I feel like this is in stark contrast to Batman versus Superman in a way in that maybe, you know, Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor at the very least is much worse than Nicholas Holt's version of the character in the way that it's written.
00:15:14
Speaker
Like he's clearly a much more intelligent character. The fact that he's basically playing chess moves to fight Superman with the other version the Superman with like the the duplicate. Oh, yeah. and but I guess that's the big spoiler.
00:15:27
Speaker
Ultraman just a clone of Superman. And that's what I was referring to, that it literally devolves into that Marvel formula of Superman is facing himself. But in this case, he's literally facing a clone of himself.
00:15:39
Speaker
Which has happened lots in the Marvel of a Cinematic Universe, to be fair. like if Well, yeah. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah, yeah. It's just very common. It's just one of those things. Didn't they just do that? Yeah, they they did it in most literal way, actually, in the movie, but we're not going spoil that movie. so Yeah.
00:15:54
Speaker
but but and But the literal most literal way you can do it. But this is very literal, too. It's just it's a clone, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, those fight sequences were pretty cool between – guess that's a little bit safe.
00:16:07
Speaker
I guess what you were talking before is that it's a bit of a safe choice yeah in that regard. But he's not really fighting himself in this case. He's fighting Lex Luthor's version of of himself. And Lex Luthor's really calling all the shots, which is neat. And that – again, the Lex Luthor versus Superman dynamic of ah him, like, again, brains over brawn.
00:16:26
Speaker
um or brains versus brawn is pretty clear here and i just i don't know i don't i don't think i've ever seen a smarter lex luther in any property that i've ever watched including the original superman or including certainly including je jesse jesse heidenberg's character which is not bad i like his lex luther me too but i think that this is a much more it's a much more smartly written it's i don't i don't think smartly is a word so it's perfect for the word smart um but yeah it's a much more smart uh like way to write these characters so yeah i really appreciate it it was good
00:17:06
Speaker
Yeah, man, me too. I think the one thing that kind of threw me off um is it felt like they had this existing relationship, like that Lex Luthor and Superman knew each other. But then there's the scene where Superman shows up at Lex's office because he e he stole um Crypto, the dog.
00:17:26
Speaker
And he's like, where's my dog? And then Lex Luthor said, oh, Superman, we finally meet face-to-face. That actually kind of shocked me when when that line was said. I was like, oh, like this guy just fucking hates Superman, but they haven't even had a single conversation yet. It was a little bit odd, I found. That actually, i didn't like that as a choice, personally.
00:17:44
Speaker
so um Didn't like ruin the movie by any means, but I was like, oh, that's kind of weird. I kind of wish they did have this like more existing relationship, because there's like this... real rivalry between the two of them, but it's like a rivalry between two people that have never met each other yeah at all. um That's what I assume, though, going in, to be fair, going into that scene. I did assume he didn't know him.
00:18:05
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I don't know why i i did not assume that. I was like, oh, yeah, of course they know each other. um But yeah, it's it's cool. And I mean, i guess to bring it back to literally the start of the movie, how the movie starts, it's cool because it's like 30, it's like three years ago or three decades ago, like a baby fucking landed on. Yeah, 300 years ago, just kept going, dropping a Yeah.
00:18:28
Speaker
And then it started to do hours and, like, it started doing days and... Days, weeks. It was months, days, weeks, hours, minutes. Yeah, and I think that that was a cool way of avoiding doing the origin story while just essentially creating a universe within a six lines of written...
00:18:44
Speaker
words right so i think that was a really cool thing um that they did there um a lot of cameos in this movie as well yeah i'm kind of ping-ponging here i'm sorry simon you just you stop me i feel like i'm like fuck yeah i mean it's a sporadic like we obviously had p uh like christopher was christopher what's his last name peacemaker's name whatever it was uh it's john cena yeah john cena apparently i couldn't see him though um but uh but they tell me. That's what they tell me. But no, he was in it.
00:19:16
Speaker
Then there's Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper was in it. He's Jor-El, which is interesting. So this is an interesting thing, just like the segue into that. I don't know if you have more to say about the cameos before we go back to that. Millie Alcock was in this movie as well. She, like Supergirl shows up.
00:19:30
Speaker
I wasn't expecting that for some reason. i know she was cast, but I thought this was like a more recent casting. But no, she's in it. Again, very small role. Yeah, we were told that she was in it, though. That's a good point, actually.
00:19:41
Speaker
Oh, we were? Yeah. Yeah. They said it, that she was part of the cast. I think at one point in the very beginning, like way back, like a year oh I had no idea. I think that's true. I just didn't even put two and two together. I thought that was what you were saying.
00:19:54
Speaker
No, no. It's a good thing that I'm like so disconnected from this industry that we do a podcast about, dude. Thank God. I think so. But it was like a year ago. It was a long time ago. You said you don't have a good memory. have No, I don't.
00:20:05
Speaker
That's good, though. That's a good thing you don't remember it because then you guess you can be surprised. That's actually another good point. this trailers The trailers for this didn't really reveal much. like I didn't really understand what the plot was and like how Lex Luthor was doing this.
00:20:18
Speaker
like The whole plot with the political politics aspect of it. My favorite thing about this entire movie, though, by far, and I think there's nothing even close to it, is it in it or is reminiscent, I guess, of why like the Age of Ultron, like Jeremy Renner, Hawkeye going home to his cabin scene. but the argument between Lois and and Clark in that, that 10 minute sequence is literally amazing. It's the best sequence of the entire movie by far. And there was a James Gunn interview where he was like, it was a risky thing to put that into the movie for whatever reason. I'm like, that's the best thing you put in the movie.
00:20:51
Speaker
It kind of defines the relationship. It defines the political issue that they're having the worldwide with like, what's the, because we don't really understand what's a Baravia. We don't really understand what's going on in Baravia. think it's,
00:21:02
Speaker
I think it's fairly clear that this is... It's kind of implied, but then you explain it... They explain it in better terms in that argument, which you kind of don't quite understand what pieces on the board were moved before that sequence. And then they explain it in the most... It never felt like you were...
00:21:19
Speaker
They were doing too much exposition. They were explaining it in a very, very actual argumentative way, like they were actually having a conversation that they were just seeing and watching. It was really good. I think it was really cool because I think this is very clearly reminiscent of the Israel-Palestine conflict as well. So it's like we have real-world situations that are going on that we can take from and kind of bring into that.
00:21:39
Speaker
That's such a controversial – choice you just made. yeah do you not Do you not agree with that? Am I wrong? i don't agree at all. I think it's way closer to Russia and Ukraine. Like, way closer.
00:21:50
Speaker
Oh, actually, you know what? That's actually a good point, too. That's a good point, too. I guess I do speak in, like, a Slavic language. People are very, like... like choosy about, you know, Israel-Palestine. And so, like, I just, i connected that to, I thought, you know, world events, like, that's probably, they've maybe pulled some inspiration from that.
00:22:10
Speaker
um But I think mostly, I think it felt like, especially the way that the leader of Baravia kind of talked, And especially especially the fact that his people were all like, oh, yes, sir. You're so you are so handsome today, sir. That part was very Putin-esque from my perspective because it's such a dictatorship in Russia, it seems like. That's why I kind of drew that as well. i don't It's kind of a democracy Israel.
00:22:33
Speaker
So I don't know if they're doing that with the Netanyahu. Yeah, the Israel-Palestine thing is because it's like the American government, it it seems like they're on the side of one nation, and like they're talking about how this nation is getting a bunch of weapons and funding from the Americans.
00:22:48
Speaker
it's about a yeah You know what it could have been? Yeah, that's a great call. at I think but it's probably a mix because James Gunn doesn't want to get overly political, and to mix it up like that and to reverse it a little bit with which side's getting the weapons and stuff— I think that's part of it too.
00:23:04
Speaker
is like that like I don't want to get – I'm not making a statement here. like We have political wars that are happening right now. I don't want to – well, I mean all wars are political. But we're having – there are worlds wars in the real world. I don't want to get too political with the way I – I'm not making a statement. It's just like we're going to mix it up with the the various sides so we don't make it clear what we're talking about. And the fact that it's not Russia obviously because there's Russia in – Russia exists. Yeah.
00:23:29
Speaker
in this world. yeah Yeah, in the world. Because there was that version of events where so like they did alternate history where Superman lands in Russia. Superman Red yeah Son or something like that. yeah so Yeah.
00:23:40
Speaker
that Is Barabia the... What's the nation that Creature Commandos takes place in? ah It's Poo-Poo something. Poo-Poo. Good question. It starts with a P, though.
00:23:51
Speaker
Poo-Poo. Poo-Poo something. Creature Commandos. No, that's a really weird nation, though. yeah Like, they have really weird technology. They're like a weird... They're almost like... Wakanda in a weird way.
00:24:05
Speaker
Yeah, worst Wakanda. Yeah. Pretty much. Creature your Commando's ah my country, I guess. I don't know if that's going to come up quickly. The fictional Eastern European country of Pokalistan.
00:24:18
Speaker
Okay, cool. Yeah, when I was sitting there... It's more do fake countries, I think. Yeah, no, definitely. Dude, yeah, obviously. Yeah. Come on. ah ah Well, you just connected it directly to Israel and Palestine. That's true.
00:24:34
Speaker
It is true. i drive But I did that, not James Gunn. Yeah. um
00:24:44
Speaker
Yeah. i don't know take Be right, though. It is connected. I think he's trying to connect them all. he' He's connecting them. He's connecting them, but he's connecting it all vaguely so that it it never feels like we're making too much. That Israel-Palestine conflict is so complex. There's just no reason to put that into Superman. and So you did a good job. You did a good job with it. Thank you. What are talking about other than that?
00:25:04
Speaker
um in terms of that war it's pretty cool like the the way they did the war i thought was neat like i thought bringing in it's funny because there is a deliberate conflict worldwide conflict in another movie that came out this year that's also around superheroes and it it should have been a more grounded movie because you don't have a bunch of flying superheroes with green powers and like a guy who's literally on almost unkillable in it and that movie is falcon the whatever captain america 4 captain america braven the world and had a huge political thing in that and i never felt that that was realistic and it's strange because it it's like it should have been more realistic because these characters don't even have powers there it's captain america he's he's got no super serum it's so stupid anyway like this felt more grounded how is that possible and that's again a point that i've made many times and i think like you probably make the same point it's like you don't
00:25:57
Speaker
You can make a realistic story that makes sense. You can make it work within the universe that you made. And the physics can make sense inside the universe, and then there's no plot holes. But if you don't have finely defined physics and the world building and how things actually work properly, and things are all loosey-goosey with a bunch of loose threads that are not tied up properly, you have a mess.
00:26:19
Speaker
And that's really the definition of what Captain America Brave New World is. It's just, it's not... It's just not defined in almost any way. I don't know what Sam's powers are. I don't know how he's able to throw the shield and it can bounce off multiple objects and come back to I don't understand how he can even throw the shield that hard. He's a regular guy.
00:26:38
Speaker
It doesn't make sense. And so they even defined like how Superman heals in this one. He heals directly from the sun. He restores from the sun. They even use that. I don't know what that guy's name is, but the, was it no, wait, that's the dude from fricking Barry, isn't it?
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah. Anthony Kerrigan, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. that What's the name of the character? i have no idea. It's elemental something.
00:27:02
Speaker
I don't know, but he's kind of fun. He's got a fun power. And the fact that he makes the sun in that situation to charge Superman up. The fact that, again, they really deliberately show off like how Superman's powers work in a non mostly non-exposition way. like They do a pretty solid job. Even like the way they talk about the hypnoglasses.
00:27:23
Speaker
which is apparently a comic thing. It's a comic thing that's in the comics. And they they define it because it's also like people would know. the most The guy who would know the most is the guy who's clearly incredibly intelligent, who's literally calling out movesets to Superman 2, Ultraman.
00:27:40
Speaker
like Lex Luthor would know. 100% that Clark client clark clint clerk Kent is Superman because it's incredibly obvious. Yeah.
00:27:50
Speaker
Because Clark Kent is interviewing him multiple times. And the fact that he doesn't seem to know is absurd. Yeah, it's interesting because there is literally a line where, like, Lex Luthor, when he captures Superman, it hasn't been like the cage thing.
00:28:02
Speaker
And apparently Anthony Carrigan's character's name is Metamorpho. I don't think they use that name in the movie. I did hear about that before the movie came out, but I'm like, who's Metamorpho? I know who that is. Now we know. Now we know who it is.
00:28:17
Speaker
It's Anthony Carrigan's character. um his elemental everything he turned his whole body into acid and then shot it at the guys that was cool when he was just a floating head with a bunch of shit coming out of him so this is also about the same point but the way that james gunn chooses to make the characters fight in different ways as well none of the fight choreography ever gets boring in any of his movies he's just really good at that like he just changes it up always he constantly like he doesn't have superman just shoot laser eyes constantly he uses it in strategic ways throughout the plot and to make it make sense in specific spots
00:28:52
Speaker
Because, yeah, he he doesn't use his laser eyes until, like, over halfway through the movie. When he uses it, and like this it's like when he's in, like, the the river or whatever, and he uses his eyes the first time. I was like, oh, shit.
00:29:03
Speaker
I forgot Superman could do that. It was, like, it was cool. Like, it was it was surprising, even though this is, like, a known thing Superman can do. Because he's holding back. Like, but yeah I do agree with you. The fight choreography in this movie was really good. And, again, the like, I think the CGI and everything is really good. It didn't it never looked like a CGI mess.
00:29:21
Speaker
ever yeah in the movie. And I think that, that really lends itself to it. ah Like, i almost want to make the comparison to like the John Wick movies where like different characters have different movesets. So every fight scene is interesting.
00:29:32
Speaker
It's obviously not the same. Like choreography, it's super heroes, but it is similar in that sense too. Um, edie catoggi's Eddie Cathagy's character's, like, Mr. Terrific's fight scene is literally incredible.
00:29:46
Speaker
Yes. awesome. It's literally ter terrific, I should have said. But it it's incredibly great. And, then like, seeing his character, I didn't think he was going to be that big of a player in the movie. No, I didn't really think that Nathan Fillion's character is going to be that big of a player. I thought they were going to show up for five seconds. And it's one of the things I was worried about most with this movie is they they announced all these different characters were going to be in. And I was like, are you sure, James?
00:30:09
Speaker
Like, are you sure you can pull this off? Like, it's a lot like all at once. But yeah, that Mr. Terrific fight scene is really great. Yeah, even like blowing the blowing action from Superman, like the blowing air thing. Yeah, was cool. He uses very strategic moments and you can, don't know, it's just really well plotted. Smart, smartly written.
00:30:29
Speaker
Yeah, to to take a quick step back, Simon, like you talking about how like, there's a lot of characters in this movie. And I think that was like a general worry with a lot of people like, oh, man, how is it going to balance all these characters?
00:30:40
Speaker
James Gunn actually said something really funny um leading up to this movie that I wanted to point out because he talked about how Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer had a lot of characters too, but it's still a very clear and concise movie.
00:30:53
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And I was like, I think that's pretty funny because like realistically, like this movie, yeah, has a lot of characters, but it's very well balanced. And you're also kind of going into it with some background knowledge with a lot of these characters. So in theory, yeah.
00:31:07
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Yeah. Like there is a lot of characters and a lot to balance, but like, you at least have a little bit of knowledge going in, at least us. And like, definitely someone like Ken, as an example, that like read comic books a lot, um, you know, uh, like growing up and everything like that too.
00:31:22
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So yeah, it, it, I, I think, i think the challenge though is in contrast to Oppenheimer is that Oppenheimer has the challenge, doesn't have the challenge of having to show off but what Hawk girl can do.
00:31:36
Speaker
Yeah. Like what the hell is Hawk girl? Yeah. yeah That's so awesome. And she also kills the freaking president of Bravia. Yeah, dude. That was, I love that. Like, oh, what are you good to do? like Like, she's like, I'm not Superman. And just fucking drops. Yeah, he's like, you're not going to kill me. Superman would never kill me. like, I'm not Superman, dude. said You're dead, bro. yeah And she was like hitting them with a mace, those guards with a mace. And like, I'm like, they're dead. They're just not showing the blood because it's rated freaking PG-13. But that's, they're they're gone.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah. two bor They're dead, man. And again, like talking about the fight scenes when they're all fighting the big ah the big monster in the middle of like Metropolis. And literally she's like, ah, like, cause like she, she's like bashing in this monster's eye and with the mace, but then her leg gets stuck in his eyelid.
00:32:23
Speaker
She's like, I'm going to get blinked to death. Like my knees are stuck. Like little things like that are so good. And even. a lot of Fillion's lines were great, great like that too. Yeah, very much so. And it's cool because like,
00:32:38
Speaker
Green Lantern's powers are... It's cool. like He has a ring that can literally do whatever the fuck he wants, right? It's crazy, yeah. It's so creative. There's a scene with, again, that big kaiju thing where Mr. Terrific's like running away, he's like oh, shit! like I'm about to get eaten by this thing, and then...
00:32:53
Speaker
Green Lantern puts like a muzzle on this creature using his ring. And I'm like, there's little things where it's so creative and fun. Yeah. You're doing the same thing twice as part of the the charm of it.
00:33:05
Speaker
Like, again, some of the Marvel fight scenes lately have been boring because they do the same moves. Like, you'll see Black Widow or like or like Florence Pugh's character do the same.
00:33:16
Speaker
Like, that they they love that move where you go on top of their head and like you choke them out and they fall. Yeah. It's the same move. it's like That's cool to see it once. like You see it Civil War. right but like I don't necessarily need it multiple times because it's not that useful.
00:33:31
Speaker
um But it's just, again, the creativity, especially because of how creative Green Lantern's powers are. Or even like if you look at... That's a good example, too. like Miss Marvel's powers are kind of like Green Lantern's powers. in the in the in the TV show or in general, but she doesn't really use anything specific. Her creativity is really... In the Marvels, as an example, like they're not really creative at all.
00:33:52
Speaker
There's just like a lack of... pat I think it's like a... pat Honestly, passion is the the word I would use. like James Gunn has passion for this project, and he clearly put a lot of thought into it. and Again, that's like a lot of painstaking...
00:34:05
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like days, I'm sure, like thinking about the details and the tiny things, the things that make this universe tick and what this movie will be like. Yeah. it's It's shortcomings and is ah it's kind of what you described. I think it played it a bit safe in that it did. It's funny, like,
00:34:20
Speaker
I don't know if i ever got to this, but when they show off Bradley Cooper's character and then it ends up being that Superman superman' is very fairly confident in himself and then he becomes not confident in himself, it's a classic Marvel formula because that's the whole thing. you You're challenging yourself like, who am I really? Am I really that good of a person? I don't know if I'm that good. And then like then you realize yourself as the true hero and then you fight yourself and you win.
00:34:43
Speaker
And then you've not only fought your internal battle, but you also fought the same person in it. Like whatever it is, if it's Ant-Man, you're fighting and the Corey Stoll's character in an Ant-Man costume as an example or whatever it may be.
00:34:56
Speaker
So like, that's kind of, again, it's funny. I didn't even think of that because I always thought of him fighting Lex Luthor, but it is true. He followed that same journey of not understanding truly who he really was because he found out finally that his parents were not the greatest people, I guess. they It actually gave me, having watched Invincible vibes recently, it kind of yeah gave me those that tone of Invincible, which I really appreciate too. and like There's this idea to, with the way the movie ends with... Was it at the end? or the No, the scene before that with the dog in it and him in space.
00:35:29
Speaker
and I think this will be a much more...
00:35:34
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like in universe, like out of, in galaxy DCU as well, like Guardians of the Galaxy, like we'll see more outside of Earth, yeah which it will be more more like Invincible. Invincible is cool because of how much it goes off of Earth too. It's such a not Earth-bound show in some way. Like it takes place a lot of the the time elsewhere, which I kind of appreciate. Like there's a much grander universe outside and the DC comics I think would do the same. So it's it's cool that they did, they they're doing that right away.
00:36:03
Speaker
Yeah, because, I think Supergirl, I think they they they set it up because like Supergirl shows up at the end and she's like, where's my like where's my dog? Because Superman's taking care of crypto. Right. um And like she's kind of like wasted. Like she like shows up like ah not wasted, but like hung over, it seems. And then, um you know, Superman literally like says like, oh, like she goes to like a bunch of different planets with like red suns because the yellow suns will like we can't get drunk on that.
00:36:31
Speaker
Like, because like it rejuvenates us so much. So I imagine the Supergirl movie next year is isn't going to take place on Earth. Probably going to take place in on some random planets are getting kind of blasted.
00:36:41
Speaker
I think the best example of this, and I think that it might come up sooner, is the Lantern show is supposed to be like they're space cops in yeah like going through different planets and solving crimes. so that's that's cool too, with Aaron Pierre and kyle Chandler, who I also really like. And I think Kyle Chandler iss underrated. like He's not in enough things. He's great.
00:37:01
Speaker
So it's that's an exciting one too. And Nathan Fillion will be in that one too. that That dynamic, I'm i'm sure, is going to be fantastic. yeah also the haircut what a great haircut man i'm glad they acknowledged how bad it was i'm glad that they didn't just like be like oh no this is supposed to be a good haircut no like lois lane it's funny because yeah there's a scene where like they they even acknowledge it like oh like yeah guy like guy gardener he anytime he doesn't want to do something he just says that it's part of his like oath that he made to the la like the lantern core and then he he can't do it because it's it's vaguely mentioned that it's it's not something that he should do and then lois lane was like your haircut's not something you should do or whatever.
00:37:40
Speaker
Yeah. Should be against your laws. yeah Yeah. So, yeah, I think... The one thing, again, I think every character plays off each other incredibly well, even like the characters that don't have a crazy amount of screen time. that There's like this instant chemistry, like Jimmy Olsen's character and Eve, as an example.
00:37:59
Speaker
It's really funny. Like you have that character that's like doing these selfies in like the Luther Corps and you think that she's kind of a bimbo and she kind of acts like a bimbo. But in reality, she's been just taking evidence from Luthor.
00:38:12
Speaker
just in case because she knows she's just happy but lucky she's not really a bimbo at all really it seems like she's actually just pretty smart and she's just like really into jimmy but everyone's into jimmy for some reason yeah it's i like you know clark can't this like six foot tall like giant dude with like perfect hair and he's because i guess he's got the hypno glasses on the the women in the office are like looking at jimmy and i'm like wait were they looking at jimmy was confused Right. They were looking at Jimmy, right? They were. Yeah. Yeah. They're looking at him.
00:38:39
Speaker
It's, it seems like he's like a womanizer. And even like when he's on his phone and he's about to text like his source who and ends up being the Eve woman that we see like in the movie, taking selfies, literally like the, her, her thing is like, he has a bunch of women's names in his contact list. And then for her, it's mutant feet.
00:38:57
Speaker
I'm like, who the fuck's mutant? Oh no, sorry. Mutant toes or something like that. I'm like, who's mutant toes? like What superhero is this going to be? like is it gonna be like he's is it is martian manhunter or something like that it's like no it's just this woman and then she literally know like you said my toes look weird or whatever right um yeah yeah it's this movie's really good man the more i i've actually talked about the more i like it yeah i think you know what is this is almost not a criticism it's almost i feel like i would wish i had more but i guess that's the that's exactly the feeling he wanted to
00:39:31
Speaker
to deliver. I just feel like we kind of didn't, we got a lot of glimpses of things like Clark's parents and like we got glimpses. Ken mentioned when we left the theater, like our friend that we went to the theater with and we go to the theater often with.
00:39:45
Speaker
Kenneth Saddlebauer mentioned that he was really happy that these, that they chose actors that were not like super well known. And that a is a really smart idea. And the reason why that's really smart is because they're not known and Clark doesn't want anyone to know who they are. So it's kind of this aspect of like, these aren't actors who aren't everything.
00:40:04
Speaker
i don't know. Again, I don't know where Ma Kent is anything. I've never seen her at all, that actor. I've never seen her. the But the actor who plays Paul Kent, like I've seen him quite a few things, is Pruitt.
00:40:16
Speaker
Man, I forgot his name again. I forgot it outside of the video too. Pruitt Taylor Vince. I know, it's because it's like he's got three first names. I could never, guess it's two first names and a last name that's at the front I can never remember it.
00:40:28
Speaker
But yeah, Pruitt Taylor Vince is quite good. I liked him in The Walking Dead, but I most but i most know him, think, from The Mentalist. He's like one of my favorite characters on the mentalist. That's weird to say because he's not in that many episodes.
00:40:41
Speaker
But he's just got this like, I don't know. He's got it he's got a little bit of a gravitas. I like him. There's one scene with him and Clark on the bench or whatever outside their house. I teared up. I got to say, I thought that was really well done.
00:40:52
Speaker
I thought it was really well delivered by Taylor Vince. And I feel like he's underrated. He's just not in he's not in enough. And I've never seen Ma Kent and she's okay. I have no idea. I don't know who she is.
00:41:04
Speaker
I just don't know her. She's not in it that much. I feel like Pruitt Taylor Vince was the star player because of that emotional scene that he had to play in that moment. But yeah, that's just one thing that again is like, there's a lot of things that are strange. Like I don't really understand. There's a lot of dynamics that I wish I knew a little bit better, I guess.
00:41:23
Speaker
And I think that's one of your criticisms too. Cause you were saying, I didn't know that Lex Luthor hadn't met Superman. It's kind of true. Like it is weird. We don't really, we didn't know the dynamic, even like Lois Lane. We, we didn't know they were already in a relationship and they're kind of like, oh they're in a relationship and she's walking to her house and she didn't know he was there.
00:41:39
Speaker
It's like, im i'm like this is gonna be clark kent i mean who else could it be at this point in the movie but i'm like are they already are they already dating is my question like hearing the noises of the kitchen as he's making breakfast for dinner i'm like is is this like a relationship that's already established and it's like they already established like a lot of it but like that relationship is so beautiful to watch that it's almost like i kind of wish i got more of that like i wish i got the beginning of that what did that look like but again It's not an origin story in a lot of ways, and I feel like that's just not the point.
00:42:09
Speaker
It's an origin story of him, I guess. I think – did James Gunn say this? It's an origin story of Superman understanding finally who he is. I think James Gunn said that in an interview. James Gunn said so much.
00:42:22
Speaker
that it's possibly said that but i think that's what it is like it's an origin story in a way because he finally understands it's like a self-realization journey which is exactly the mcu formula which is funny because gun never really made the mcu formula in any no that that's the funniest thing is that guardians is more original than than this movie is in like in that way in the story structure at least um i mean i guess like the first guardians movie is like them kind of like all characters realizing who they are and it is kind of like the your origin story a little bit but it's not really the way it ends is not really they're all realizing who they are but like that's all yeah you were saying earlier that you thought the guardians is a bit more heartfelt but i think i don't know if i said did i say this already i i don't think so because i think it was a spoiler the non-spoiler portion but i
00:43:08
Speaker
the the thing about that is that I think the reason why Guardians 3 is so brilliant is because we've been with these characters for so long now and we've established who they are and now we don't we've got all that stuff out of the way we we know who these characters are he can just go into the deep stuff like he you can really go way below the surface with each character like Rocket as an example in 3 is like that's a really great transformative journey that happens in that movie with Rocket the Raccoon and I think but Again, that's part of it.
00:43:35
Speaker
And I think that in this, like you're establishing each character, so you can't really go, how deep can you go? You got to establish their powers. Like what does Mr. Terrific do exactly? Like, it's cool. He's cool. He's cool dude. He's got a really bad garage door.
00:43:48
Speaker
But you like, what does he do? You know what i mean? Like, I don't understand him that really. and you don't really know who Nathan Fillion's character is. There's too many characters, but it's not really, like he did such a good job balancing them all. But ultimately at the end of it, you're like, ah, but I kind of wish you went a step further with almost everyone like barry white i love that actor too that dude's from like uh he's in the jack ryan tv show he's also like a large part in suits like what's his name he's great i just think he's great but they barely use him they barely use laurence fishburne in the superman movies like the man of the old zach snyder man of steel movie as an example i think that was a missed opportunity they almost made this gentleman like do more this barry white
00:44:30
Speaker
But I did appreciate it. I liked seeing the reporter songs. Perry White. Perry White. I'm so sorry. Barry White. That's a singer. Yeah. I was that's an artist. Barry White. I was like, why that's embarrassing.
00:44:41
Speaker
No, no worries, dude. Hey, don't worry about him, man. Don't worry It's good. he Thank you for calling catching me on that because we we just had Barry White. Yeah. but they did You know, the crooner.
00:44:53
Speaker
That's what they call it, right? Driving crooner. What? The driving crooner. What the driving crooner? It's from ah season three of I Think You Should Leave. Oh, okay. Yeah. Right. Speaking of it, which the the guy, Beck Bennett, he he's in like a skit and I Think You Should Leave. he He's in this movie.
00:45:13
Speaker
He's a reporter with mustache. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Perry White. Oh, Wendell Pierce is name of the actor. He's great. He's great. But i i want i want to see more. I want to see more reporter Clark Kent.
00:45:26
Speaker
like I would like to see a show. But that's like, I almost want to show with all of this stuff. I almost want it rather than movies in a weird way. Yeah. And it's strange because like seeing creature commandos and in the way that they broke, like again, written completely by James Gunn, like how he broke down each character in creature commandos, I think is really brilliant. I think it's almost like I want that here.
00:45:47
Speaker
And it's, it's interesting. I'm just so curious. Okay, well, let's wrap up the review of this, I guess. okay And then i just want to ask you a question that we can get into nitty-gritty spoilers of how we think this universe might go before we review like give the review scores. but Okay.
00:46:04
Speaker
What do you think about this like the movie? did Anything else that stood set out to you or anything else you wanted to mention before we – move on to like what's next for the dcu because we can talk what's next in a spoiler way which is kind yeah yeah uh i think i mentioned everything that i really wanted to i didn't write any notes because again we're going in this very hot so i right you just watched the movie yeah yeah um so i i think i talked about most of my my talking points i really liked it i think it's great yeah super fun um but yeah like in regards to where this universe will go
00:46:36
Speaker
That's the cool part. I don't really know because it's already established. This universe is already gone technically and we're just kind of being thrown in the middle of it. I'm um very curious. It's almost better though.
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah. No, I like it. He's done so much. But the, I think the problem with that is what we just talked about is like, he's got, James Gunn's got so much attention to detail, but he's going to have many creators do this, not just him.
00:47:05
Speaker
So it's like, are we going to get like creators really playing fast and loose with the rules? And then we're going to maybe dislike because of the fact of how much is established. Because that could be why the mccu is failing in some way too, is because there's so much going on. You know what's really interesting about this movie too?
00:47:20
Speaker
They had the, what do they call them? the so the The stray outlaws or whatever, the the justice can Justice Warriors. what are they? Justice Gang. Right, stupid. yeah The Justice Gang.
00:47:33
Speaker
The Justice Gang are already in the movie. You know what's really cool about that? The MCU sucks at that. Sucks at it. So bad. Oh, there's a monster in the middle of New York City. Oh, I guess it's just going to be the title character on the in the movie that's going to come and help.
00:47:51
Speaker
Like, they have 55 heroes they've introduced, and they no one comes and helps. And the issue is, is in the MCU, everyone lives in fucking New York City. Everyone, yeah pretty much. Like, yeah they all live in the same city. Where's Spider-Man? God damn it. It's ridiculous.
00:48:05
Speaker
yeah It's stupid. It's so dumb. And they never fixed that problem. they' like We can't get the actor. It's like, well, maybe you cast an actor that's too well-known. I don't know. That's your problem. That's the problem you made. And I think James Gunn introducing the Justice Gang here is actually really smart writing because it doesn't make any sense that your movie, that the universe would be already established and that there wouldn't be other people that would come to the rescue.
00:48:28
Speaker
But I think that that can lead to problems that the MCU has when we get into later movies and Because they can't go super big with the fights, as an example. You can't have a massive creature in the middle of Metropolis because it's, again... Then again, the MCU has that problem where it's New York and they've got Metropolis and Star City and Gotham. So they've got multiple cities they can kind of go to. Yeah, there's so many cities that they can play with, right? Right. And they're made up too, which is helpful.
00:49:01
Speaker
exactly whereas i think the mcu's biggest issue is it all takes place in again new york is the city put stars in it like you put crazy big name actors in it that are getting paid way too much money and then you what are you going to do when you think that you're gonna bring in because how is to be fair though not in new york to save the day in that ah situation and thunderbolts as an example yeah that's fair but To be fair, though, like a lot of the actors ah when originally cast in the MCU weren't that big. yet Yeah, right? So like like Tom Holland is big now because of the MCU, right? That's true.
00:49:36
Speaker
So can they keep it up then is the question for the DCU. And that's my biggest question. Like, can they make it feel – because that this movie feels more real than a lot of the Marvel movies recently. Yeah.
00:49:47
Speaker
For two reasons. One is the in-world world building, but also the hierarchy of power, which is a huge mess in the MCU. Yeah, because, like, arguably the biggest actor in this movie that plays a major role is probably a Nicholas Holt.
00:49:59
Speaker
Like, he's been in yeah the most properties. I think he, like, i would I would argue he's probably the biggest actor there. But again, he's he's Lex Luthor, and now he's in, oh yeah, I guess we didn't even talk about it he gets fucking arrested, I guess, at the end, and he gets put in yeah wherever.
00:50:13
Speaker
So, like. He technically doesn't need to show And again, he's a villain. He's doing bad stuff. He's not coming to the rescue. Isabella Merced, I think, is going to you know blow up quite a bit just because of The Last of Us and Now This 2. And I'm sure all these actors are going to blow up quite a bit more. Corn Sweat, I think, will blow up really big. yeah Rachel Brosnan had a hit show on Amazon forever that got nominated every year for Best Comedy. and Marvel is Miss Maisel. She almost won every year.
00:50:39
Speaker
The thing I know her from most, though, I watched her in House of Cards. That was the big... thing that I've seen her in before. And she's great. She's really great, honestly. It's almost shocking that she hasn't been in any big blockbusters before. I wonder if that was intentional on her end.
00:50:54
Speaker
Maybe it's Marvelous Miss Maisel took a lot of time, maybe? Maybe. Never watched it. I want to watch it, though. I heard it's good. The other question is, like how does this what does the future hold for the DCU on the perspective of are we going to see these characters are we goingnna see Superman in something soon?
00:51:11
Speaker
Is Corn Sweat going to be in... And anything else? Like, in the next, like, five years? Like, or are we waiting for the next superhand Superman movie to happen?
00:51:22
Speaker
Which could happen a long time from now, because that's not announced on the slate at all. Yeah. It's interesting. i e I don't know. Maybe like, maybe he'll show up in like an animated thing and just a voice. But like, I think with the live action stuff coming out, cause okay, we know Supergirl is going to happen. I'm assuming that's off world.
00:51:39
Speaker
Like it's not, it's going to take place in like space and stuff. Maybe as like a brief, yeah you know, appearance in that, but I don't think it's going to be a focus. um I know Batman Brave and the Bold is going to take place. That's going to be in Gotham City, presumably. So you don't have to have him there. yeah Yeah, right. Like, so I think what they're developing, they're all in different settings. So you don't necessarily have to bring in the characters when a big situation occurs.
00:52:02
Speaker
I'm more saying we got these characters in such such small snippets. I kind of want more of them. I agree, yeah. Are we going to not see these characters now for how many how many episodes?
00:52:12
Speaker
like We'll see Rick Flagg. Rick Flagg, we'll see, yeah. which is Green Lantern, like Guy Gardner, we're going to see in the Lantern show. So like I think we're still going to get... some, some like crossover, but I don't think it's gonna, I mean, to be fair, like even in the MCU, we don't get, I mean, you just mentioned it. We don't get that crossover unless it's a fucking Avengers movie.
00:52:32
Speaker
Right. So, uh, I didn't get a lot of Tony Stark though. Like when is the next, like there's no cross, unfortunately. I meant like unfortunately in the sense of um like we get him so much that he literally does an ad for Ironheart.
00:52:47
Speaker
ah like yeah um Sure, but he's great. Yeah, no no, I agree. That's a great thing. But it's good because he was so willing, like Robert Downey Jr. was so willing to be in so many things for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
00:53:00
Speaker
I'm sure he got a lot of money. Yeah. but He did get a lot of money. But but it's it's great because it kind of brings it together. Like, seeing him in it, is it makes it feel like there's, ah again, a gravitas for the overall yeah overall MCU.
00:53:13
Speaker
I don't know. that's I'm more saying, like, are we going to not see them for – because there's no team-up movie, and we're not going see Superman for for six years. Like, I have no idea. I think they're going to come out with a Superman movie within the next three years. I think it's just not on the slate because – I mean, like, dude, like, this is like a I mean, I still think, like, this is a this is a house of cards, not to bring not to reference a show that you just mentioned that Rachel Brosnan is a part of.
00:53:38
Speaker
But, like, if this movie didn't do well, I think, apart from Supergirl, they probably would have canceled all the continuing projects. And I think, like, i think this Lanterns would continued. I think they're filming it now. Pardon me, sorry?
00:53:49
Speaker
Lanterns would have continued, I think. Oh, yeah, Lanterns and Peacemaker, obviously, coming out. But, I mean, from a movie perspective. But I think, like, a sequel to the Superman universe is... is contingent on how well this movie does and i think it's probably gonna do well so i think i wouldn't be surprised if we see you know superman 2 in like three years from now because like that'd be great do we know like all the movies i mean we know some of the movies like that are referenced but like we none of them are in production are they apart from supergirl yeah the weird one is like the batman one too like man batman where is it what are we doing here we got to get the batman cooking here
00:54:25
Speaker
And I don't know that I – I don't know. i didn't I like the Flash movie. It's interesting. Me too. I'm thinking about – because it's it's the same dude from the director of – what's his name now? Andy Muschietti. Muschietti.
00:54:36
Speaker
Yeah. Andy Muschietti is directing this apparently still, but they don't have anything going with that. It's funny. that's the Those two characters, Superman and Batman, are the art they characters? Yeah. They're essentially the – I think everything in the DCU really hinges on them.
00:54:51
Speaker
you're going to have to nail both of those characters together. to do a good job. Yeah. I don't, I'm very excited. I'm just, I'm, I'm so tentative now because I'm like, now I feel, I knew that he was going to nail it, but I'm kind of like, I don't have a direction.
00:55:03
Speaker
I actually have less of a direction kind of in a way in a straight, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know what you're going to do now. Cause it's like, you, you've got, you've got a really good setup. Like it's really great. I love this. I just think that I'm curious, but how, where do you go from here? Lanterns is still my, my, the most anticipated thing.
00:55:22
Speaker
other than brave and the bold, but I just don't know that Batman's Batman thing is up in the air and we don't know when that's coming at all. Yeah. And the authority sounds good. And I think James Gunn's going to direct it. I, I'm still betting on that.
00:55:33
Speaker
I have a feeling cause he just seemed like he didn't have anybody and he he really is passionate about the authority. So I guess we'll see the clay face movie. Got a, got an actor, right? Did we talk about that?
00:55:46
Speaker
I don't remember. Yeah, we'll talk about it again. Okay. Well, that's it. That's a, That's the end of it. too um Let's review.
00:55:56
Speaker
Let's do the review scores and then say sayonara. Wild Hearts. game. What thinking? and What's the... I'm thinking... For this movie, I really enjoyed it. I think this is like a great movie. I think it's a 4 out of 5 for me, my friend.
00:56:11
Speaker
wow. That's exactly my score. Nice, dude. 4.0 out of 5. That gives our Rotten Potatoes score. That's 8 of potatoes.
00:56:22
Speaker
That's a good amount of potatoes, dude. Yes. Yeah, it was very good. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of this universe. I just, I don't know. I'm tentative. I'm very curious to see where it will go.
00:56:35
Speaker
yeah That's cool. All right. Well, thank you, Adrian, for joining me on this A Closer Look at Superman. Thank you, audience, for listening. Goodbye. Take care.