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Episode 20: Featuring Dave Jordan from Non Human Audio
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Charles, Chris, and Bryan are joined this week by Dave Jordan of Non Human Audio. They talk about how the Slow Loris and Florist came to be, breadboarding, snacks (of course), and more. There's also a rapid fire question round in the middle.
If you'd like Bryan, Charles, and Chris to answer your question on an episode of Amplified Nonsense, call (513) 334-3803 and leave a voicemail.
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:08
Speaker
Welcome to Amplify Nonsense, a podcast that is technically about amps, but is mostly driven by your random voicemail questions. Your hosts are Charles Henry of Silktone, Chris Benson of Benson Amps, and Brian Sowers of Sour Sound Transformers. And today we have Dave from Non-Human Audio with us. My name is Emily, and I'm just here to keep these guys on track. And before I get too far into this episode, you can call into 513-334-3803 and leave your smell questions for our hosts That's 513-334-3803. How are y'all doing? Good. Good. Real good. Solid. It sounds like everyone's been super busy as usual. I'm cramming before I leave the
Chris's East Coast Adventure
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country again. Chris, you just got back from a trip, right? Yeah, I got back at like 2 a.m. last night. That's crazy. It was nuts. It was a nuts trip. I shouldn't have done it.
00:00:58
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I guess I should talk about it. Should I talk about it? Yeah, let's hear it. I went to to the East Coast. so I drove to Seattle and left my car with ah Peter and Jessica from Deep Sea Diver.
00:01:09
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ah So I flew to Boston and I stayed with my brother and then I met my parents for some food on my drive to go see Kathy from Data Choir in upstate New York and ah stayed at her house for a couple days. And we hung out with David Tornabunch. And then I drove David down to Russo Music to do that puddle event there, which was super fun. and Then we drove back to upstate New York because David forgot his records, and my keys to the rental car went missing, so we drove down in David's car.
00:01:37
Speaker
Oh my God. then I drove David to a show in State College, Pennsylvania to play with his band. And then I drove to my other brother's house in Harrisburg. And then I drove to Philly by myself. And then I flew back to Seattle. And last night I played a show with ah Angelo de Agustin at the Triple Door. And then I drove back after the show and got in super late last night. So it was really exhausting. Damn. That's a lot of traveling. It was a fun trip. I can't believe I pulled it off and didn't miss any flights. So how many days? When did you leave? i left a week ago. Oh, okay. So like a week-long trip. Damn. Yep. Did you get the rental car keys back? Yeah. So not to throw Kathy under the bus, but she...
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No, do it. Do it. She went to New York City before I drove down with David and she took my keys with her somehow to New York. So you drove to New York City to get your keys? No, I met up with her in New Jersey and she handed me the keys. I'm so confused. I know. it's It was a lot.
00:02:35
Speaker
It was exhausting, but it was really fun and it was good to see a bunch of friends. I rock i saw i i followed along on Instagram. It looked like it was pretty good time. Yeah, it was it was a great time. It was the vacation I didn't know I needed. and then it turned into like a pretty sweet vacation. Hell yeah. And I even got to play bass at the end of it, which is fun. Yeah, you flew back to Seattle for a show, right?
Brian's Road Trip and EV Challenges
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Yep. I played upright bass and electric bass for Angelo.
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And what this is interesting. Like he he. He was on tour, but in every city he like hired a different band. So we got the songs beforehand and then we had to learn them. like I was charting them out in the airplane. whoa And then we met up with him earlier that day and ran through the set once and then we played the show. And it went really well, I thought. How was that Russo event? it looked It looks pretty rad. It was awesome, man. I actually really love that crew.
00:03:26
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Out of all the ah the dealer crews I've met, like they remind me the most of my amp crew. Just a bunch really rad people. That's cool. And ah got to see Philippe and Charles, Dave Brown, and ah Andy Offling, and lot a lot of people I know. That rocks. It was really great. I got to experience Pennsylvania's version of Italian food, which was fun. Yeah. What's their version?
00:03:50
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i've I've never been that far to the East Coast. Chicago's as far as I've been. It was not New York's version. Let's put it that way. Dave and I shared this paella that was just like kind of disgusting, and I think the very last bite was a bad muscle, and then it felt weird for like five hours. oh Yeah. Gross.
00:04:08
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Yeah, that sounds so. I'm coming off that I'm really tired and kind of manic. So here I am. Yeah, I was going to tell you to chill out, Chris. Your your your energy is off the charts. You get a bucket. You got to dial it down.
00:04:21
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People don't know what my mania looks like, but I assure you it's there.
00:04:26
Speaker
i was manic attack last night driving back from anaheim like you were you drove back from anaheim yesterday yesterday we went down i've been back in america for a month with mayu and she wanted to see disneyland before we went back so we drove down we drove down to disney for one day and drove back the next day and um that's like an eight-hour drive or something isn't it dude It's supposed to be a six and a half hour drive, but we borrowed my mom's EV and it's not a Tesla. So it took 11 and a half hours to charge. We had to charge like four times. The first time we charged, it took like an hour and a half just to find a charger that worked. And it was like super stressful because we didn't have enough charge to get to the next charger that might work. So like we had to charge a little bit of the slow charger to get to the fast. Oh, it was a nightmare. Yeah, EVs are done for road trips.
00:05:22
Speaker
You should have gone to Harbor Freight and gotten a gas generator it just drove driven with that in the trunk. Just hanging off the window. Yeah. Yeah, that's the move. That's the move there for sure. That would have been funny. Those first BMW electrics had like a little gas generator attached on the inside. So if you ran out of gas, it was like a little two-stroke engine that would like get you the next place. It's like a scooter. It'd be funny if they made the car, when you start the gas generator, the car just goes, aww. That's so
00:05:57
Speaker
Yeah. So that was like getting home, getting home after 11 and a half hours of just like stressfully trying to find the next charger. The whole trip was like, I i went in and i bought a frozen pizza for dinner and i was walking through Safeway and was just like almost falling over. it's Just like, I've never been so exhausted just from traveling before. was wild. Yeah. I bet.
00:06:18
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Sounds, sounds like a lot. Frozen pizza from Safeway. What are you doing? i just wanted to go to bed. Yeah. Last night at the show, Jessica tried to give me some of her salad and I looked at it and told her I was way too tired to be eating salad.
00:06:35
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That's too much work. It's too much work. Dave, what have you been up to?
Dave's Pedal Innovations
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Oh, dude. We haven't talked in a while. I haven't yeah i haven't seen you since two years ago. Geez, yeah. or Well, name last year, I guess.
00:06:49
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Or 2025. Yeah, 2025. Yeah, that was the last time we saw each other. i mean, I've been good, man. I've been crazy busy. I've got a new pedal coming out next week. I got to play the plug-in version of The Florist today, which is a bizarre thing to experience that I like legitimately never would have ever thought I would have gotten to experience. Like I got to, I got to play the plugin version of a pedal that I worked on. That's crazy. That's crazy to me. Damn. That's crazy. Is it Mitch's way is doing that? Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:23
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Yeah, it's cool. And I, you know, so I, I use logic, I do my own recording and stuff, but I've never really done the plugin amp sim stuff. I've tried some of it, but like, I just, I don't know, since I'm never plugging directly into a computer, I just never really like bothered with it. So I got to mess with like the Monarch plugin and, you know, just all of the other Benson pedals and stuff in plugin form. And it was cool. It was really, it was really fun. At the risk of chilling the room, what did you think? Oh, good. Yeah, no, I thought it sounded great. I honestly, like the first thing I did, because I already had a mic plugged into my interface, was used the florist just speaking into the mic. And it was awesome. Like, it was super fun. It was just like one of those immediate things where I was just like, this is really cool. this is This is a really neat thing to experience. Hell yeah. That rocks. What's up with the new pedal you got coming out? Is that at Secret or...
00:08:19
Speaker
No, no, no, no. i've I've teased it a lot. It's a reverb. It's a belt and brick based and it will be out by the the time this comes out. I've seen it on your Insta, but I wasn't sure if how, know, if the release date was happening soon or not. Yeah, no, it's ah May 15th. So, you know, which will be in the past by the time this comes out. But yeah, it's I got to play it at Kathy's. It was really good.
00:08:42
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Thanks, man. oh Yeah, you you played the earlier version, too. It did get tweaked a little bit. But yeah, I'm i'm excited. Kathy's going to do a demo for me. What do you love about it? It's it's just a good sounding reverb.
00:08:55
Speaker
It's really good. I enjoyed it. And I'm picky about reverb. I came up with a few things to do with the belt and brick that I don't think anybody's ever really done before. And that kind of gives it a a pretty interesting character that I think is pretty unique amongst. Because I mean, but a lot of people use belt and bricks for a reason, right? They're pretty plug and play. They're pretty easy to use, but they do have that sound and it's kind of hard to get away from that sound. But I think I came up with a few kind of like the way I handle the tone control.
00:09:25
Speaker
I don't think anybody's really done. I'm messing with the voltage on it. I really like that feature. Yeah, I don't. That's also something I don't think I've ever really seen anybody really do. You know, belt and brick at its core is three PT 2399s and some surrounding architecture. So if you voltage starve that,
00:09:45
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your voltage starving all the delay chips and the surrounding stuff and what you end up getting is this very kind of like slow textural modulation in the reverb sound and it kind of slows everything down so the resonance kind of changes and the time gets longer and the diffusion kind of gets a little washier and because the whole thing is just working more slowly you know and yeah it it gives it a really really interesting kind of texture and It also ends up working a little bit like a pre delay. Like if you drop the voltage all the way down, it takes that little bit longer for the reverb to even kind of kick in. Yeah, it's it's fun. I mean, I've had one on each of my band boards because I'm in two bands now and I just leave it on, you know. I have it set fairly subtle for myself. I have an an idea for a new pedal for you that we should talk about. Okay. based on this Based on this. So can I just tell you? Yeah, go for it. I'm sorry to interrupt.
00:10:39
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So the slow Loras works because you're like, you have a dynamic voltage going to the PT 2399 and it, you know, changes the clock in relation to everything else. And that's why it like changes pitch and everything. You should try to use that.
00:10:55
Speaker
On a belt and brick. Like the power going to the belt and brick. I mean, because you have like a resistor ah and and a capped ground like on the power node. I wonder how that would work. I bet that would actually probably work and sound really cool. The the the difference is...
00:11:12
Speaker
And and it it might absolutely work. I'd have to experiment with it. The voltage range that you have to play with on the Belton is a lot smaller than a single PT chip. You can drop the voltage on a single PT chip a lot farther. And I wonder how that would work with with the Belton just because it is it's a much narrower range. It just bunks out, stops stops working a lot sooner than the PT chip does. Interesting.
00:11:38
Speaker
I have never experimented with it. It might be possible though. I've never had the belt and brick. I've had ideas to mess with and i I never dug too deep into it. But I had this idea to do like a reverb pedal where you use a different chip to emulate like each spring. Is that kind of what the Belton brick does where you have three because it's supposed to be like a reverb tank emulation or? Oh, it's just like it has a bunch of like strapped feedback loops to make the ah echoes more complex, essentially. And it kind of compound compounds the echoes. And that's why it sounds like reverb.
00:12:12
Speaker
So it's not like one for per string. Yeah. And it it doesn't really do the spring thing. Like, you know, springs have a very specific kind of sound that the Belton doesn't yeah really emulate. But yeah, the voltage sag thing was like, Charles, kind of similar to you. Like I was always wanting to investigate doing reverb, but you know, like with anything, I i just, I need to have something that I can do that makes it unique.
00:12:38
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I don't want to just do, there's other great Belton reverbs out there and like they exist, so I don't need to make them. That's how I feel about all that. yeah You know, it's just like finding whatever experiment works and opens things up.
00:12:54
Speaker
And that the voltage thing, I was just kind of like, how come nobody's done this? So I tried it and it was cool. And that just kind of opened up the whole the whole thing for me. That's awesome. Isn't that weird when you find something that's like, why is nobody like someone has to have done this before? Like such a simple idea. and I did that with my fuzz. I was like, somebody has to have thrown a voltage meter on a bias readout before. But yeah, it seemed like such an easy idea. Yeah. I mean, you know, taking something that exists and seeing how you can break it in an interesting way is kind of like all of the fun of pedal design and I mean, you know, it's it's hard in drive pedals and stuff too, but it's like, see if you can break it.
00:13:34
Speaker
Figure out what nobody's done before or what you've never seen before. and my kimchi pedal was kind of like that too. The way I generate the like gain and fuzz in that one was all because i of all the schematics that I'd looked at, I'd never...
00:13:50
Speaker
saw anybody buy us a transistor in this specific way so i was like well why not why why isn't anybody doing it let me try it so i tried it and it was cool and i made a whole pedal out of it yeah that's awesome when you have an idea and it worked i have so many weird ideas written down that i don't know how to execute or when i'd learn to yeah just getting to find out like oh that was a cool idea or um or nope nope that's dumb this is why no one has done it Yeah, so totally. there's There's tons of that. i mean, twice you know, i I think pretty much every pedal I've ever designed, I get it on the breadboard. And then once I get it to a place that I like, I try and break it. And I just try connecting parts of the circuit that shouldn't be connected or changing variables that shouldn't be changed or whatever, just because it's like, why not?
00:14:38
Speaker
you That's how you can come up with like some of the coolest, weirdest stuff. You know, like that's how you get your your unique sounds out of stuff. It's just kind of like, why has nobody done this? What was your first release? My first release was like basically a couple of fuzz pedals, like just about everybody starts with, you know. But for the first eight months, I was like building and selling pedals. I sold like 20 pedals, which was crazy at the time. I was like, this is insane. I sold 20 pedals. I cannot believe this. There are strangers that have bought my pedals.
00:15:11
Speaker
Hell yeah. And then, and then I put out the slow Loris and then that was that, I mean, that was really like the start of the company in earnest. I mean, like I, over eight months I sold 20 pedals and then over the next eight months I sold 300 pedals and then it's just, it's grown every year since then. It's such a cool pedal. It's such a fun, unique pedal. Thank you. And that one, you know, that one is totally born out of an accident. I was trying to design a chorus pedal. Oh word.
00:15:41
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know that. And i had already gotten some PT chips because I was already working on the mocking blur, which was my first delay pedal. And like, I was like, I know how chorus works. I should be able to figure this out. And i just, I made a couple of very specific mistakes. One resulted in the chip being underpowered, which is what makes the slow loris do. What it does is that the,
00:16:06
Speaker
PT chip is running at like half voltage. So that's why when you hit the chip harder, when you play harder, the chip is is actually struggling to keep up with the repeat because it doesn't have enough power to like function properly. And like, you know, we're talking about like just trying to break stuff.
00:16:22
Speaker
Right. It's like I was trying to make a chorus pedal and I had that thing where I'd like put it all on the breadboard and like, you know, you fire it up for the first time and you hope it works and it didn't work. But what it was doing was immediately I was like, I was like, oh, this is not what I intended at all. But this is so much more interesting that I'm going to like chase this instead of trying to like fix
Accidental Pedal Creations
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it.
00:16:42
Speaker
You know? Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And I actually, I remember my friend came over like that day and he was borrowing a pedal or or something. i don't remember exactly, but I was like, you got to hear this.
00:16:53
Speaker
You got to listen to this. And I played it for him and he was like, he was like, what is that? I was like, I don't know. but i was like, I don't know. i don't know. But it's like different and weird. Right. I was like, it's so weird. And he was like, yeah, that's really cool.
00:17:04
Speaker
And yeah, that's, that's what, what became the slow Loras, you know? That's right. And then that's what kind of spurred y'all's relationship, right? Like, Chris, you heard the slow loris and then it kind of evolved into the florist.
00:17:18
Speaker
Yeah. So i i I was aware of the slow loris and really liked it. And because, I mean, you could obviously get that effect with certain rack gear or modular synths or whatever, but no one had really put it in a pedal before to do that one specific thing. And I thought that was really, really cool. And I remember meeting David at the Old Blood puddle show three years ago. and Yeah, 2023. And I was like, man, this is great, but I think you should expand on this because I think someone else is going to probably come through and make it hi-fi, give it more parameters, etc And he started kind of explaining how it worked. I was like, actually, I think I know why it does the thing it does. And I think that if you ever want to, I can help you make like a ah new revision of it.
00:18:10
Speaker
And I breadboarded something just to try out some ideas. And I sent him that schematic and he he did the same thing. And I was like, well, there you go. And he was like, well, maybe you can make it and we can do like a collab.
00:18:22
Speaker
I might be getting the lore wrong. Is that right? that's That's pretty close. I mean, it took a little longer from the time we met to when it we actually started working on it. And I just distinctly remember this because like we met in the beginning of December and I actually i hung out with Andy Othling couple weeks later, towards the end of December. And he was like, he was like hey, have you have you talked to Chris Benson? And i was like, no, I'm not going to bug Chris Benson. He's busy. He doesn't need me to bug him. And then literally like a couple days later, you messaged me on Instagram, a hand-drawn schematic. And you were like, this is my idea. i think it might work.
00:19:00
Speaker
And I was like, OK. And you're like, but if you could send me ah PCB, I could like work on it a little bit more specifically. So I did that. And that would have been like early January. And then I didn't hear from you until the beginning of March when you were right.
00:19:15
Speaker
When you sent me a picture on Instagram of my PCB with wires coming off of it and just the words making moves. And then a couple days later, you were sending me um video clips and stuff. And yeah, I mean, past that, it was kind of like what you came up with was sonically very, very close to what ended up being The Florist, which, you know, anybody that's played both of them knows they're actually they're pretty different. They they sound different and they they feel different. So I just kind of like I saw a window and I was just, you know, Chris said he he really liked it. And he made a joke. Actually, I remember you made a joke because you would you and I had talked about how you thought somebody would kind of like steal it from me. You made a joke. You were like, I'm kind of tempted to make it a Benson product, but I won't. LOL. LOL. Like that kind of thing. And I was just kind of like, well, look, I mean, this feels pretty different to me, but it's really cool. And if you're finding it also really, you know, inspiring, like maybe we should just do this together. And I think you said you were like, that could be fun. Let me think about it. And then like two or three days later, you were like, I think we should do this. And I think we should do this now. It's like, OK, sure. I mean, at this point, you know, we're basically like a year out from me releasing a pedal that kind of
00:20:32
Speaker
thrust me into an industry I never thought I'd actually be a part of and I'm like on the phone with Chris Benson making plans to release a collaborative pedal it was all pretty surreal for me at the time for sure that's cool yeah how'd the name come to be I was just thinking I was like it's kind of a flanger but not really it's kind of a chorus but not really and I was like flanger chorus florist ah and it wasn't even until much later that i realized that the word loris was actually in the middle like we had already decided that um middle was like yeah the pedal was in production it literally didn't occur to me until months later when somebody else pointed it out yeah me neither i think i pointed it out to you last time we and i think i remember that conversation i was like oh is it like loris and were like whoa Or maybe it was someone else. It this has been you remember that you know honest it may have been you. i honestly don't remember.
00:21:30
Speaker
yeah I don't know how we got that done so quick, but I think we were in production like two weeks after the prototype was approved. Yeah. I think it was just honestly, because when we talked about it too, when you were like, I think we should do this now.
00:21:43
Speaker
I even asked like what that meant for Benson. Like what does now mean for Benson? Because you guys, I'm one person, you know? So like if I decide I want to do something, I can just do something. There's a lot more moving pieces on your end.
00:21:54
Speaker
And I think even at the time you were like, well, we've got our next couple of releases kind of planned and So maybe like towards the end of the year and then you almost immediately reversed and decided you just, you were inspired and you just were like, Nope, I want to do this now. So like, and I've definitely learned that like when Chris Benson wants something to get done, Chris Benson gets it done. Yeah. And that's called mania. Yeah.
00:22:19
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was really fast. I mean, because that pedal came. We like I said, we had the prototype basically three weeks after we started working on it and a couple of phone calls later and then the pedal came out two months later, i think. Wow, that's that's fast.
00:22:34
Speaker
So you guys too, just talking about this, have you guys also had had something else like almost ready to go and then for some reason something else just sparks your interest and you're like, ah, all that it can wait, let's
Design Philosophy and Collaboration
00:22:48
Speaker
do this instead. Even though it's like almost out the door.
00:22:51
Speaker
Like I've done that like two times. How many times have you guys done that? Oh yeah, I mean I have basically like a shelf full of done pedals that aren't out. Oh word, that's cool. Yeah. Just better stuff that I've had working on or done or almost done. And then I'm just kind of like, well, I want to do this other thing first. And then some stuff comes back, some stuff doesn't. you know So yeah, a lot. I've got the same shelf of pedals that are pretty much done that may or may not ever see the light of day. Yeah. I got a bunch of almost done stuff. Brian, do you have a bunch of almost done pedals from...
00:23:26
Speaker
from back in your year time? Like, are there are there sour sound pedals that are and awesome that nobody's ever heard? Well, they're not awesome. kind There's a few, right? There's a few. there There's some stuff. There's some stuff, yeah. I never made a fuzz. I hate fuzz.
00:23:44
Speaker
Okay. You were like, everyone starts there. And i was like I was like, no, everyone doesn't start there. Fuzz pedal. I would drape myself in fuzz if it was socially acceptable. It's just not my bag. But you like our fuzzes, right? oh they're fantastic. Thanks, Brian.
00:24:04
Speaker
I mean, if I was going to like any, I'd like all of your fuzzes. Wow. And only your fuzzes. i think it's just I think it's just like fuzz pedals are an easy place to start. So a lot of people start with them.
00:24:20
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the first thing I designed was ah was a boost pedal. So like, I get it. yeah um Yeah. But that was back in like 2008, 9, 7. That was before anybody heard Yeah, how was that was the first. Just before the internet.
00:24:36
Speaker
No, I've got some stuff. I have one thing that I've talked with Chris about redoing, and it's kind of it's it's very different. Like i said, you know you were saying everyone starts with fuzz or whatever, and I didn't i never really fixated on stuff like that. i fixated on completely different things. Am I not supposed to talk about this? You're shaking your head. No, I just think it's really funny because everyone else started on the easy stuff, and And the things that you started on were the most complicated, like almost unreachable projects.
00:25:07
Speaker
Yeah. I created an ABY pedal that like, oh, you built an ABY pedal. Whatever. No, I made the ABY pedal. I made the best sounding ABY pedal, in my opinion, that ever existed. He's not wrong.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yeah, i rated i rate its headroom at 20 hertz ah specifically because it's it's both channels are transformer isolated. Yeah, it's pretty pretty wild. It's really big. I have one.
00:25:33
Speaker
Yeah. Well, let's see. It's pretty monstrous. Damn. Yeah, it was ah a fun design. And basically, I just really liked playing two amps at once. I was in a band with a guy who played two amps at once.
00:25:44
Speaker
And you know i was working on stuff for like a bunch of heavy bands. And everybody was using radials. And like no shade on radial, but like I could do a lot better. And I did. And i made I only made a handful. I think I made four or five of the ABYs. And...
00:26:01
Speaker
At the same time, I was asked to do... um i mean, there's distribution amplifiers. But by at the same time, I did three large ones. Two of them were for Jeff and Matt in High on Fire. And it was right before the pandemic, and they did this tour where like Matt Pike was playing... like I think he brought two or three Soldanos everywhere, and then he just borrowed two more amps and two more rigs like wherever he went. And Jeff had...
00:26:28
Speaker
it was It was ridiculous. I mean, he had like four bass amps going. It was insane. And so I made those two. But then I also did another one that was for Dylan, who plays in this band Bellwitch.
00:26:41
Speaker
And he's the only a string player. And he plays four or five string bass, but it goes to like four different amps. And he so he's doing like guitar and bass stuff, right? So it's a one in, five out, except four of the outputs.
00:26:56
Speaker
have individual effects loops that are all relay triggered from one button. So, he has four different sets of distortion pedals. And then those outputs are all phase correlated and ground isolated ah from each other.
00:27:09
Speaker
And they feed four different amps, like bass amps, a V4, a Mesa, an SVT, something else. you know And then the fifth one is a fully balanced, isolated di out that would go back to the board. and yeah de Yeah, no problem. you know and then And everything, it's 9 volts, but internally it's bipolar. I think I settled it on bipolar 16 in the end. um Yeah, there's ah only one coupling capacitor in the whole thing. like It's everything feeding the Transformers DC. It uses this negative impedance converter concept.
00:27:42
Speaker
It's completely stupid, man. was so ridiculous. But your guys' fuzzies seem so cool. You're like, I put it on the breadboard together, and then I broke it, and I was like, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, man. Like, well, your first problem was you put it on a breadboard, which is like parasitic capacitance all over the place. likem yeah I'm a caveman. i don't know what I'm doing. that You do. You totally do. Like you're you're crafting a sound and I just like the stuff I get into is just so all over the place. The last pedal design I was working on was I designed a flyback converter that took nine volts in and gave you 350 volts out. I mean, low current. I think it was like eight or 10 mil.
00:28:28
Speaker
and I was screwing around with... That's a mess, though. Yeah, it's something. It'll knock on your butt. But I was screwing around with high-voltage FETs, L&D 150s, and like I think there was 10 or 15 other high-voltage, usually depletion mode FETs, and trying to create like you know tube circuits. because i I can design tube stuff. much easier than any transistorized stuff. But the power supply was the heart of it. So the real thing was making this like power supply module that would drop onto a board and you know run off of a Strymon power supply and give you 350 volts to work with, which I did. And then did absolutely nothing with it because that's that's my my shelf. so
00:29:10
Speaker
What's up with your... And edit this out if I can't talk about it, but you're...
00:29:16
Speaker
no No, Charles, that's not something that we can talk about on this episode, but someday we'll see the light. All right. We'll wait till then. um ah Yeah, Dave and and and everybody, I do have a lot of ridiculously stupid, overly complicated, i want i just i just hate myself circuits sitting on the shelf.
00:29:35
Speaker
Too many. That's why I really like doing Transformers for a business because ah I can get it done. Yeah. It's the perfect business for you. Yeah, it's it's great. yeah know And like the reality is is that, she know sure, like I'm winding all the prototypes and everything, but like i mean I have a production staff to make stuff, and it has to be that way because I'm the guy that'll just... you know that There's things. you know My brain just gets sucked into something else. so I'm the same. I can't.
00:30:04
Speaker
I can't. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm a lot more disciplined about it and and better about it. But yeah, lots of lots of secret projects that, you know, maybe will come out. When's the last time you breadboarded something? Breadboarding made me made me start thinking earlier just about how I wonder how many designers use breadboards and how many just go straight to like PCB protos. I hate breadboards. Yeah, they're terrible. You shouldn't be breadboarding.
00:30:26
Speaker
Just make a PCB. Oh, man. I love breadboarding. That's so much fun for me. You love breadboarding? I see some people's designs that I'm like, they look so fun and cool sometimes. And of course, I've breadboarded a bunch of sh** before, but I see other people posting their protos on Instagram and I'm like, oh, that'd be fun to like play and post. But man, there's such a pain. I always just do my rough design in my head and on the computer and then I get a proto in and I f**k with that instead of the breadboard. It's just... Well, you know, they don't work, right? Like you've done it, you've built something and then you put it on a PCB and you're like, Oh crap. Now it doesn't do the same thing. Yep.
00:31:01
Speaker
Oh yeah. Yeah. But I, I don't, I almost never, my design process, I almost never like have an idea, you know, like, um, ah like a lot of times I will literally just sit down and like yeah I might have like oh I'm gonna work on a drive pedal or a reverb or something like obviously I have some kind of idea there but in terms of like building blocks I really just I kind of see the breadboard as like a blank canvas and I just kind of start building out interesting so you just kind of move wires until you got something Yeah, I'm just building out from my core idea and like, I'll just be like, well, I want to drive pedal. So transistors, FETs, op amps, like whatever, what am I going to start with? Start there, start with what i know, and then just kind of start experimenting until something kind of catches my, my ear or like, like i was saying with the kimchi, like that was very specifically like, I want to try this transistor biasing technique.
00:31:53
Speaker
That worked. And then I just built out from there and just testing and listening and building and testing and listening. And until I get to where I'm going, you know, I like I know people that like don't breadboard at all will just like strictly go straight PCB. And like that doesn't I can't do that. It just also doesn't sound that fun for me, to be honest. I mean, that's how I am, but I mean, then I'll take a razor blade and a soldering iron and go crazy.
00:32:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Same. You know, I mean, I have a shop full of magnet wire and oh my God is magnet wire. Solderable magnet wire is the best thing for jumpers and because you just like heat it up, tack it on, heat it up, tack it on. And yeah, so I definitely mess up circuit boards like crazy, but yeah, me too. I don't, I don't like that with like getting everything built out in a breadboard and then having it not work for some reason and not being sure if it's my design or, oh, this jumper's bad and having to, like, scratching my head over, like, wait, this should work. This bias method should work. And finding out two days later, oh, it was actually just this bad yellow jumper.
00:32:54
Speaker
Let me put it back how it was originally. Or worse, like you get like leakage and, you know, something biases on. Like you said. Yeah. Something biases on and then you put it on your board and you're like, why this no current? Wait, what? You know, and it turned out that you had like leakage voltage from three stages down feeding into a, you know what i mean? Right. Yeah. I will say that like, and I, I'm probably, ah an edge case minority case here, but like,
00:33:22
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I've had very, very few occurrences of something I've designed on a breadboard that wasn't at least incredibly close when it got to PCB. I've almost never had an instance where like something just didn't work or sounded drastically different. You must have some nice new new breadboards.
00:33:42
Speaker
Nice breadboards, yeah. But, you know, it's like it... It's at least close enough that I can be like, this resistor needs a tweak, this capacitor needs a tweak, something like that. But like, yeah, for the most part, I've been really lucky that things have always turned out pretty close.
00:33:58
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Awesome. Well, do we want to do a call or two
Listener Challenges and Humor
00:34:01
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Let's do some. Yeah, let's try it. Hey guys, I was going to try and do something clever where like I called in with a question for myself and then today totally got away from me and I forgot. So let's do like a round robin question thing where like each person asks somebody else just like a quick fire question. So like Brian, you ask Charles something. Charles, you ask Chris something. Chris, you ask Emily something. Emily, you ask me something and I'll ask Brian something.
00:34:32
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And that's my voicemail. Okay, bye.
00:34:37
Speaker
Who was that? That guy sounded tired. Who does he think he is? That sounds fun. Let's do it. am i Wait, do I go first? Yeah. Charles, what is the largest, what's the largest size bowl that you've ever put a nut on?
00:34:58
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i was going to say Brian's size. okay No, some plumbing. but I don't know the size. plant Some plumbing.
00:35:08
Speaker
You put nuts on sort of strew on pipes? That's weird, dude. yeah yeah Yeah, dude. I nut on pipes all the time.
00:35:19
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Remember, Chris's mom listens to this show, right?
00:35:26
Speaker
You set them up. I nut on them.
00:35:32
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So you want to move on? So now it's turn to ask either Dave or Chris a question. Okay, Chris, speaking of moms. No, I'm kidding.
00:35:43
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um What's the best food you've ever eaten outside of America? Man, great question. um I think eating fried cheese, Saganaki in Greece on the island of Hyos was the best food I've ever had outside of of America.
00:36:05
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Damn. Ooh la la. fried Let's go into that. Fried cheese. So it it have some did it have some dip or like like mozzarella stick or what what are we talking?
00:36:17
Speaker
It was allumi. Yeah, it was like fried fresh cheese um and they just fry it with some, you know, Definitely a bunch of olive oil. It gets a nice crust on it, and then it's gooey on the inside, and you eat it with a knife and fork. I've had that at like a Brazilian barbecue, same kind of thing.
00:36:34
Speaker
I'm sure. i'm I'm sure there's only so many ways you could fry cheese. Oh, man. Yeah. Damn, that's awesome. That sounds good. All right, now, Chris, it's your turn to ask a question. Okay. Emily, do you go on the gear page?
00:36:49
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And if so, what is your handle? I rarely go on the gear page, but I have gone on the gear page.
00:37:00
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They have hurt my feelings. My handle is Emily from Get Offset. I did a demo for Old Blood Noise Endeavors, and there were a few people. It was like the name of the demo was like five or seven specific ways to use like bathing or something.
00:37:14
Speaker
I worked really hard on this video, was really proud of it, had to shoot it two or three times because I kept having technical difficulties. And ah some people were nice. And one person in particular was such an asshole about it that i was like, I don't know if I should continue to do this.
00:37:30
Speaker
And then he apologized when I came in. and just I think I just responded to something like, ouch. I've definitely had people say nasty things on the gear page about me. And then you chip in and then they're not nasty anymore, right?
00:37:44
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um One person said when they heard that I was involved in something, they said, yuck. yeah And then I responded and said, that's very rude.
00:37:59
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And I think that post got taken down. And that person may have been like banned or reprimanded or something. But I was just like, guys, you can say false things about my puddles and amps, and I'll correct that.
00:38:14
Speaker
I'm not going to get into like, this is, no, actually, you're wrong. This is a good thing that I did. I'm i'm just not going to do that. But if you just say, yuck, I'm i'm going to report it. Yeah.
00:38:27
Speaker
that was ah That was another thing in that thread where somebody was kind of nasty to me. It's like somebody else said, you got to remember there's like a human being on the other end of that. And they're not getting rich doing this.
00:38:39
Speaker
I've thankfully not had ah a ton of like negative, super negative comments. Like there's a few that I can specifically remember. One, when Andy and I did the, the mocking blur demo, somebody commented on YouTube like, Oh, it's too bad that this pedal doesn't remove bad tattoos. Um, and I just deleted that. I think I just deleted that one. And then for one other pedal, I forget what it was, but um it was on somebody else's demo of something. Somebody was like, it's like there's a whole industry of pedals where people are like trying to make things sound bad. And I commented on that person's comment of just like, hey, great, thanks. That's exactly what we were going for.
00:39:22
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And he responded with, I wish you the best. Oh, wow. And I was like, cool. Thanks, man. That guy does not like breadboards.
00:39:34
Speaker
i've had I've had bad comments on like YouTube. videos and comments like that, but the gear page, I always hear everyone, you know, having such a hard, everyone's like, Oh, they're, they're so brutal on there, but everyone's been so nice. I've been really lucky.
00:39:47
Speaker
Um, except when I, before I released any amps, when I was making, instrument cables, Really good instrument cables. I stopped making them because who the wants to make instrument cables? When I was showing those off like back in 2016 or something, there were a lot of, lot of negative comments around that. Just like, but snake oil, but people getting like really heated and and invested that like I would try to rip someone off so hard with this like amazingly constructed $40 cable. And,
00:40:23
Speaker
like As if I was charging crazy $500 hi-fi prices for it or something. but Well, there's this whole sect of people, and especially on the internet, that think everything is snake oil. It's kind of a weird thing, but the people that like look at it from the perspective of science and they say like that's just not true or that doesn't make a difference or whatever...
00:40:46
Speaker
That stuff blows my mind because there are people out there who are like, oh, the skin effect isn't real and things like that. And there's so much stuff that's Transformer 101 that is the things that the the Internet would say is snake oil or doesn't exist. You know, it's it's wild. Emily just said she just said to me, Brian, there are people who think the Earth is flat. My mine mind is blown by this. We don't want to upset any flat earthers, fellas.
00:41:15
Speaker
Oh, yeah, we need the follows. Yeah. I actually, I kind of do want to upset all of them, to be honest. Yeah, but I also believe them. Like, I also believe that they can't hear the difference. Not the flat earth people. Yeah. People who say, not the flat earth people. They're lunatics. Yeah. But the people who say like, no, there's no difference. It's like, I believe you. Like, I believe that you can't hear it, but it doesn't mean other people can't. Well, remember Analysis Plus? They had that slogan, if you can't hear the difference, it's not for you. That's perfect. I think they got in trouble for that, actually. say that in my head quite a bit. Yeah.
00:41:56
Speaker
I mean, those ghost cables were not cheap for sure. But yeah, I think they pissed a lot of people off with that one. I mean, that's legit though. I mean, like... It is legit, you know? Yeah. yeah you You can't hear the difference. That's great. That doesn't mean that there isn't a difference. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's that's the same thing like capacitor argument. Yeah. I just... Yeah. I mean, the capacitor thing's insane. Like, you can change the supplier...
00:42:20
Speaker
of film in a capacitor you can have it be the same thickness the same type but you can change the manufacture of just the dielectric film itself not even the foil and have a completely different sounding capacitor and then there's people out there who will say you know like caps don't have a sound it just my mind yeah it's it's uh it's a lot i'm still blown away by it and i i'll admit that ah I'll admit that in amplifiers, I can absolutely hear a sound. In hi-fi amps, it's so much easier to hear a difference between capacitors. In pedals, not so much. i don't hear that much of a difference. I've tried so many different caps and pedals, like fuzz pedals and OD pedals and stuff. they're all They're all pretty close. I've been taking a lot of caps apart the last week, so that's just on my brain.
00:43:12
Speaker
Dave, I know you enjoy, as i do, the television show Alone. What is your favorite geographic location at which they film Alone?
Personal Anecdotes and Reflections
00:43:25
Speaker
that's a good question. bear Island, I think. which Which one was that? Who won that one? and don't remember. remember. Where in world is Bear Island? It's in Canada. It's like one of the Canadian ones. So many of them are in Canada. Yeah, that's true. But I just, I remember one, it being cool that it was called Bear Island.
00:43:47
Speaker
And, you know, one of the... the really fun things about alone which doesn't happen enough and with good reason because of you know how nature works but like the unexpected run-ins with wildlife are part of like what makes that show so great so like certainly in the early episodes when like people don't have shelters built when they're like ah awakened in the middle of the night because there's like a bear like two feet away like that's cool I think that's really cool. I mean, Emily, you and I have talked about Roland stabbing a rock Yeah. Yeah. Like, but like he was great for a lot of reasons, but like everybody remembers when he like catapulted himself, like onto a musk ox and stabbed it to death. Yeah.
00:44:36
Speaker
but You know, like that's ah it's insane. But like then there's those seasons like they just they just did a season in Africa. And like you kind of were like built up to this like, oh, my God, there's going to be baboons around and like drafts and all this and like.
00:44:51
Speaker
na I mean, they can't have people die on the show, you know? No, no. But like there was so little of that and it had the opportunity to be really different, really interesting. And it just didn't really pan out that much.
00:45:06
Speaker
But yeah, anytime like bears or wolves can show up, I'm like pretty pumped. Season nine. Yeah, maybe that's the one I'm thinking of Yeah. Polar Bear Island. Wow. is Is that the one where they were only doing ice fishing?
00:45:18
Speaker
that doesn't I realize that doesn't narrow it down either. ah i think so. Yeah. My favorite is the guy that killed the moose and then fought a wild boar to get the fat neck. Jordan. Oh my God. That season. That dude. Wow. we can all agree that like Jordan and Roland were both two of the all-time greats. Roland was probably the best.
00:45:41
Speaker
gotta watch this show. There was, uh, Nicole from season two. She was the one that had, um, she have MS. She did. Yeah. She's been on the show twice. Yeah. And she, yeah, the second time she was on, she had to go home for it, but like, she was like picking wild herbs where she was and treating her MS with like stuff she found out hiking. And it worked like that lady is wild. She's from here. from Oregon. She has a whole book on treating disease with herbs and like wild plants and stuff. Interesting. I love that show. That show rules. And now Dave gets to ask Brian a question. Hey guys, it's Dave.
00:46:21
Speaker
This one's kind of like a two-parter. In honor of the fact that I think every time I've ever seen Brian, he's wearing neurosis hoodie. I'm curious what he thinks of the new surprise Neurosis record that dropped last week as of me calling in.
00:46:39
Speaker
um And for the rest of you guys, I'm curious what are some of your favorite kind of like reunion records or maybe just records from bands that never officially broke up, but like took a really long time off, like 10 years without releasing a record or something
Music Releases and Snack Reviews
00:46:55
Speaker
like that.
00:46:55
Speaker
Okay, bye. Dude, that record's so good. It's so good. know like it's So first off, Scott Evans recorded it, and um people listening may recognize that name because Scott Evans is the one who called in to our show and ah brought to our attention the Jim Lil video that Charles especially loved so, so much. He's such a big fan Jim Lil. Dude's got a next-level brain. So, yes. So Scott recorded it. Also, Scott Evans from Kowloon Walled City, who is an amazing band.
00:47:33
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, it's really good. it's's In a lot of ways, it's a return to form. Like, there's a level of aggression in there that, like, hasn't really been in there for quite a long time. i mean, I saw them on the Times of Grace tour, and I saw them on that tour they did with Converge and Amin Ra. At least, i don't know if Amin Ra was on the on it, or if you saw them.
00:47:55
Speaker
It was Birds in Row when they came here, but yeah, I saw them on that tour as well. yeah you know Very older, wiser, you know a bit different, obviously. and this i feel Like i said, I feel like it's a bit of more of a return to form. I was kind of skeptical on the the Aaron being in the mix, only because I mean i liked a lot of the early ISIS records, but like and I just didn't really know what to think. and ah yeah I think it works really well. i mean It sounds awesome.
00:48:22
Speaker
I was actually, I was texting Scott after I heard it because I thought it had like a lot of the the aspects of the Albini Neurosis Records, but just, you know, it was a little bit more raw and a little bit more just like dark.
00:48:37
Speaker
darker, but not like darker in a sonic sense, just like feel wise. But the things about the Albini records that I feel like are quintessential to that band, it still has them. Like as soon as the first time I hear Jason hit that snare, it's like, oh yeah, that's right. That's, that's just correct.
00:48:53
Speaker
I think I actually said that to him. I was like, good job. The snare is correct. Which in hindsight is a really dickish statement to say to someone. Yeah. So I should probably apologize to him for that. But um yeah, it's it's an awesome record. Certainly when I called in, I was still very blown away by it. But like, I mean, it's the best record they've put out probably since Times of Grace.
00:49:17
Speaker
as saw I think it was a Sovereign that came after that. That record was pretty good. No, Eye of the Storm came after that. No, there was an EP before that. In between the records? Yes.
00:49:30
Speaker
Oh, well, and then you might be right. You know, and it's a little more on that tip, on the Times of Grace tip. See, now I have to look it up. Why are you doing this to me? Yeah, I think it's i think it's incredible.
00:49:40
Speaker
And they put out a ah surprise record. I mean, sure, some people probably knew about it, but like out of nowhere, the world was like, wait, wait, what? There's a new Neurosis record? No, I am right. Sovereign was an EP that came after that. It was before the Jarbo record, which I didn't really dig on the Jarbo record, but you know, whatever.
00:49:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, to like release probably what's going to be the biggest metal record of the year and like not tell anyone to just like, hey, here you go. Aaron Turner's in our band.
00:50:10
Speaker
We have a new record. It's out today. Yeah. Thanks. From a band that literally all of us thought we would never get a new record from. Yeah. I mean, like how long have they been a band? 30 years? No, longer. Longer. Early 90s.
00:50:24
Speaker
yeah Yeah. No, I mean, I think they formed in like 89 something. I mean, through Silver and Blood completely changed my whole perception of heavy music, like altered trajectory. If I never heard that record, I would be a different person today. But yeah, yeah to do that, to like release that record. I mean, Converge put is putting out two records in one this year. And I'm still like, that's really cool. But Neurosis out of nowhere. I mean, like it's a pretty big deal.
00:50:52
Speaker
That will be that will be the biggest metal record of the year. Hands down. Nobody thought we weren't going to get more Converge records. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Fair. You know I didn't think we were going to get two. That's pretty cool.
00:51:03
Speaker
Sure. But it's kind of funny. It's like, I wonder if like Kurt or somebody new and they're like, let's put out two, let's just try and like compete. And like, nah, it's still neurosis, dude. Yeah.
00:51:14
Speaker
Yeah. Probably. But no, a sick record. You mentioned the band Bell Witch earlier, and it made me think of, ah I had a short-lived, or maybe it's still going, a Doom Project with Yvette Young, where she was going to drum and I was going to play guitar, or baritone guitar, because it'd be funny her for her to be in a band and not play guitar.
00:51:34
Speaker
And we were going to call it Bell Worship, and the name actually came from Taco Bell, so Just to bring it all back around. I was like, where is this going? That's where it's going. It's going to Taco Bell. went to fourth meal.
00:51:51
Speaker
Speaking of food, wrap it up with some snacks. Oh, yeah. Did we do that? We didn't do part two of that question, but you guys can do that next episode if you want. Oh, mine. The only thing that came to mind was MBV, my the My Bloody Valentine record that came out. What was it? It's like 71 years after the last one. I think it was 72. That was a great record. I didn't expect anything else. You know, you hear they're working on something, but it's like, yeah, right. But I thought that was a that was a really good one for being absent for so long. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Guess it's my turn. I think the Slow Dive record that came out in 2017 was probably my favorite. That's a great record. Yeah, that's a great, great inclusion for sure.
00:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, I was kind of surprised how good that record was. Chris and Charles with the shoegaze. Yeah, me too. It was shocking. Kind of on that same tip when Hum put out Inlet, you know, that was almost 20 years after Downward to Seven Word.
00:52:46
Speaker
So that's another another one. That one was kind of similar to the My Blade of Valentine, though, where like you always heard that they were working on something. Right. We just never thought it was ever going to come out. Going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, we all we all yeah we all talked earlier about eating a a snack and rating it um in honor of Dave. Did everyone do that? Did everyone do homework?
00:53:06
Speaker
Yeah, I did. Hell yeah. You want to go first? Sure. I got my homework right here. And i'llll I'll send a picture as well. I found these at Winco the other day and they're called Cucharita Rica.
00:53:21
Speaker
And what they are... Yeah, we have those here. Oh, you do? Yeah. Well, I mean, we're right next to Mexico, yeah. But they're like tamarind candy with spicy stuff in them that come on a little spoon.
00:53:33
Speaker
Oh, damn. And I'm completely obsessed with Mexican candy, like anything fruity and spicy. And these are really awesome, if you can find them. And possibly full of lead and radioactivity, but we'll never know. Yeah.
00:53:46
Speaker
what it Have you eaten one yet? What do you rate it? Oh, 10 out of 10, easily. It's my favorite thing. I keep them in my car now. they're like They're tiny, and since they come on plastic spoons, you eat know you feel bad if you eat more than one because it just seems like you're wasting plastic, which you are. So you're like you kind of feel guilty if I if i just start crushing them.
00:54:08
Speaker
But for just one one little snack, it it works really well. Damn, I'm going to look for them. I ate, have you guys heard of senorita bread? What's that? It's kind of donut-like, but it's like, so it's like really soft kind of donut-y texture bread rolled with, I think it's just butter and sugar. We get it from this place called Star Bread up here. And yeah, I tried i tried the new one and it It's an easy nine out of 10. It's so simple. It was shocking. Give it a shot. Try it if it's if it's near you. It's ah magic in your mouth. So I ate an apple.
00:54:45
Speaker
if what ki was eating that this apple when we got on this chat. I believe you guys saw me eat the apple. Yeah, but Brian, what kind of apple?
00:54:59
Speaker
And I made sure that you guys saw the apple. Now the apple, it was an envy apple. Envies are pretty good. And I pulled it from a bag of envy apples and I, I got the apples at Costco.
00:55:21
Speaker
Now, the apple was delicious, so I'll give the apple a 6 out of 10. It was delicious. But going to Costco, i give that a 4 out of 10.
00:55:33
Speaker
Because have you been to Costco? yeah envy apples are are pretty good envy apples i think are like so i think six out of ten is accurate they're kind of like slightly better than average red apples they're i think i mean it's better than like a red delicious oh for sure oh yeah that's a zero out of ten those are only suitable for horses disgusting yeah yeah um yeah they're not delicious there's yeah But I like Gala apples.
00:56:03
Speaker
I like Fuji apples. And I also like the Envy apple. Okay. Have you had any of the weird apple varieties that are like, you know, you go to like Whole Foods or whatever, and they've got like the big three, four shelves of Honeycrisp apples, and then they've got like the one tiny shelf of like the Sugar Bee apple and the Cosmic Crisp. And have you ever had any of those? I do not shop at Whole Foods.
00:56:31
Speaker
three i mean, you live in Portland, so you've got to have grocery stores that have weird apples. Your face before you said that.
00:56:42
Speaker
yes But I went to Costco. i have ah i have a pertinent pertinent story. One time I traded a Benson preamp pedal for my weight in apples. Oh, hell yeah.
00:56:54
Speaker
Was this in your heavier days or lighter days? Heavier days. Oh, that's a good deal. And a person reached out on Instagram and said, hey, I'm i'm an apple farmer and I would like a Benson preamp. And I just threw it out. I will trade a Benson preamp for my weight in apples. And he drove from eastern Washington and delivered way too many apples to me. Yeah. What kind of apples? ah They were mostly gala apples.
00:57:24
Speaker
Those are good. Then I had to figure out what to do with all the apples. So I ah made apple wine, apple pies. We got sick of apples. i was going to say a single gala apple is probably about... ah quarter of a pound, right? So you were, I mean, even in your heavier days, I mean, you're still looking at like probably like 700, 800 apples. Yeah. That's, that sounds about accurate.
00:57:49
Speaker
That's crazy. That's so many apples. There's so many. Yeah. Mayu has been freaking out because the apples here are so cheap. Because in Japan, they're it's like $8 for two apples or something.
00:58:02
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And we've been eating hell of fruit, just like berries and apples like crazy. Did you eat weird fruit in Hawaii? I love weird Hawaii fruit. Apple bananas are pretty rad. Told you.
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Told you. answer You were like, are you making this up? Are you screwing with me? And I said, no, the apple banana is delicious. I had never heard of it before. And I had an apple banana cream pie. That was that was pretty dope, too. So good.
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Can we get Emily's snack before we we wrap this up? Aw. Well, it's okay. I think it was last year i sent Dave a bunch of this ice cream.
00:58:41
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My snack is the strawberry chocolate chip graters ice cream, which is a brand in Cincinnati. And yeah. Oh, that was the best one. That was the best one. Yeah, I agree. And ah Rick gets me a six pack for my birthday every year and I try to make it last the entire year. And it is really, really, really hard.
00:59:02
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That would last me about a week and a half. Oh, man. it is. Yeah, I don't share it. Someone's hanging in a marriage, I don't share. yeah i didn't know graders were still around. I figured Jenny's drove it out of business.
00:59:17
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Those are completely different ice creams. So for... Those who don't know, Grater's is made like two gallons at a time in a French pot method. So it's just kind of a, it's a bougie ice cream, but it's a family company still in Cincinnati. And I think they recently sold a large portion of the company to the employees, which I think is pretty cool.
00:59:36
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That might be why Grater's isn't in Columbus anymore is because Jenny's is from Columbus. Yep. And she's expanded everywhere too. And yes it's fine. Grater's is like small town ice cream parlor ice cream and Jenny's yep is like Cold Stone Creamery, which there's no longer Cold Stone Creamery's in Columbus. I bet now too.
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yeah It's all bougie Jenny's. Yeah, I wasn't that impressed with Jenny's to be honest. So what was the rating? Oh, 10 out of 10. Hell yeah.
01:00:09
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Yeah. how would you How would you rate Jenny's? It depends on the flavor. Most of how I put around sex There's just too much going on. They try to be too cute. there's You got to do the basics well. It's way too sweet.
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It's way too sweet. And the balance is all off. Every time they put anything in there, there's way too much of the stuff and not enough ice cream. And it's just, yeah. I would say most Jenny's are about a six as well.
01:00:32
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I eat a lot of ice cream. Chris, how many spoons have you eaten? just one and uh wrap it up with dave's snack of the day maybe yeah so i'm just gonna go with this uh waterloo that i that i have here so last year waterloo did three guy fieri flavor town flavors that were all surprisingly excellent they had a surprisingly he's always on point they They had a spiced mango sorbet that while it was in the stores, I just kept in the fridge because it was so good. And this year they've got three new Flavortown flavors. And this is the coconut lime cooler, which is ah is really, really good. It could maybe use a hint more coconut.
01:01:15
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It's pretty lime forward, but I'd still give it, I think it's it's like an eight. It's like an eight seltzer. Yeah. Waterloo doesn't miss, I don't think. oh yeah So that's my snack of the day.
01:01:28
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So your snack of the day is a drink.
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