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Episode 9: Effects Loops, Caller Updates, and More
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What's the deal with effects loops? When is one useful, and when is one useless? In this episode of Amplify Nonsense, hosts Chris Benson of Benson Amps, Bryan Sours of Soursound Audio Works, and Charles Henry of Silktone Amplifiers answer listen questions about effects loops and more. Plus, a previous caller shares an exciting update!
If you'd like Bryan, Charles, and Chris to answer your question on an episode of Amplified Nonsense, call (513) 334-3803 and leave a voicemail.
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Introduction to the Hosts and Format
00:00:08
Speaker
Welcome to Amplified Nonsense, a podcast that is technically about amplifiers, but is mostly driven by your random voicemail questions. Your hosts are Charles Henry of Silktone, Chris Benson of Benson Amps, and Brian Sowers of Sour Sound Audio Works.
00:00:22
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My name is Emily, and I'm just here to keep these three on track. And before I get too far into this episode, you can call to 513-334-3803 and leave your own voicemail questions for our hosts.
00:00:36
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That's 513-334-3803 and you can also find that number in the show notes. Let's turn it over to our host and get the show started. How are y'all doing today?
Travel Tales: Japan to the US
00:00:49
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Hey, good. Doing good.
00:00:51
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Glad to be back home. Yeah, where were you? Act like i I didn't know where you were. Back home. I think the last episode was the day before I was leaving to Japan, and then I just dropped back two days ago. It's been wild. It's been fun.
00:01:03
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What have you guys been up to? By NAMS, the Winding Transformers? Not a damn thing.
00:01:10
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Is Portland still there? Yes. ah Cash and checks down at the war office. It's still here. Ah. Yeah. Guy in big green frog suit signed the check. It's great.
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Yeah. Our bread lines are a little more aggro now.
00:01:27
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They keep droning people. Oh my God. ah yeah. It's, it feels weird to be back. It's like weird being gone for more than a few weeks in like a foreign language speaking country. It's so weird coming back here. And like, as soon as I get to the airport, it just feels completely different.
00:01:45
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And I was just like, this sucks. Yeah. I'm sorry you had to come back to the place of your roots where your ancestors are from sort of... Are they?
00:01:57
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I don't know. I realize I have no idea. Aren't your ancestors from Sacramento? I don't know. No. Like England and Ireland and Germany and ah Italy and everywhere else. but Cool. But you weren't in any of those places. No, I wasn't anywhere. But it's cool.
00:02:18
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I'm here for a few weeks. so I'm going right back. It's going to be mr go be awesome. Well, I'm not jealous at all. I thought you were going to New York, Chris. Uh, no, I sent Ryan and Corey to New York.
00:02:29
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Too much travel recently. I went to Connecticut like two weeks ago and it's just too much. Yeah. I'm traveling all year next year. I'm like between like trade shows and, and other countries and stuff. I'm ramping up. It's going to cool. I'm going to hit, I really want to do the Berlin stuff next year. I think that'd be really rad. Like the Berlin.
00:02:48
Speaker
ah yeah. And then a few in Japan and then definitely not NAMM. Yeah. That'd be cool. I didn't know there was an amp and pedal show in Berlin. i thought it was just the guitar show.
00:02:59
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I don't remember the names. I know there's a pedal show and then I know there, I think they're separate. I think there's an amp and guitar show and then a pedal show. I could never keep it straight. Yeah. It's a big show though. I think it's just cool for, I think like most of Europe comes. So I think it'd be cool. Let's take our first call early in the episode.
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fellas.
Plexi Amps: The FX Loop Debate
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It's your favorite, favorite guitar player on earth, Buddy Blues. i have a question. You hear a lot of – I think this could be like more of a Plexi question.
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You hear that a Plexi cannot absolutely cannot have FX loop because it just it's not how it works. It doesn't work. It's still going to be ah dirty. It's not blah, blah, blah.
00:03:43
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What's the deal with that? And how can you make an amp accept an FX loop? as opposed to an app that doesn't like effects loops or defeats the purpose, if you will.
00:03:55
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Snack, this is an effective question in case none of you are paying attention. Pay attention!
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Is he my favorite guitar player? Should we have a discussion about that? Maybe I don't know. He's definitely my favorite. Oh, that's so sweet. I heard about this this question about effects loops, and I had an answer all ready to go.
00:04:15
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I didn't know it was from Buddy, and now... and don't want to ridicule buddy.
00:04:22
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I think buddy seems pretty cool, but I'm going to ridicule him. So yeah can we start by ridiculing the first part of his question before we move to the second part of, well, that he's our favorite guitar player to start with. no ah Yeah. Like does, but does buddy lose like, is that a pseudonym for Billy Corgan? Yeah.
00:04:48
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Thank you. So me and Chris were talking the other day, was just screw answering the question for right now. We were talking the other day and I told him that until recently, like maybe the last year or two, and maybe a little longer, but you know my my like real adult life, I was a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan growing up. lot of people were, I'm sure you guys were. And i told Chris the other day, I said, yeah, I never really got into to James Eha's guitar playing, something like that. But basically I was convinced that all of the guitar playing on all of the records that I loved was all James Eha this entire time.
00:05:23
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Wait, until recently? like Well, like you know sometime in the last like several years. I know, right? Billy Corgan's such a good guitar player. I know. it It's the stupidest shit.
00:05:34
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It's so dumb. That's funny. I think, Chris, I don't remember exactly how, but you lost your shit in a way that you know you only you can lose your hope he I hope he slapped you in the face. Well, it's funny because I feel like like Chris has a lot of respect for me. i sense it when we talk and that's great. I enjoy that. Thank you. Maybe maybe he did. but Yeah, i think I think what happened is as I mentioned this and I'm mentioning this now to the internet world bearing my soul here.
00:06:06
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so That's right. I'm sure everyone's going to give me for it. But yeah, I just didn't realize. i don't know. I mean, remember, i I'm a drummer, but I just i just didn't know. Yeah.
00:06:19
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And it was a couple of years back. I forget i what the hell it was that was like, oh, he did all that. Oh, cool. That's funny. I just didn't know. yeah But what I do know is that the part that he was talking that Buddy was talking about, Plexi effects, he was like, what the hell was that?
00:06:39
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You can put an effects loop in anything. i mean, do you throw a series loop wherever the fuck you want. It might not be cool, but no effects loop is cool. So, yeah, I just don't, I don't understand the concept of X doesn't work because of an effects loop.
00:06:54
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You know what i mean? Like a martial offender or whatever. That sounds like some internet lore. chris Chris wanted to roast. him Let's get the roast going. No, I'm not gonna actually roast him. oh But yeah, effects loop.
00:07:08
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I just don't, in a non-master volume amp like a Plexi, I just don't get it. It's like, yeah what is breaking up that you don't want to, that you want to apply delay to? It's like the power amps breaking up mostly first in a Plexi.
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So you're just gonna, I don't know. I guess it's like, you can make the argument that it's like, just a signal level thing where you want to get a better signal to noise ratio maybe if you apply it to a clean but higher amplitude sound but I don't know i just never got it line matching like level matching and impedance matching if you want to use like a Korg I don't know what's the Korg outboard delay that the edge always used This is going to haunt me at the edge. 5,000. Yes, exactly. So if you want to use the edge 5,000, it doesn't have a guitar level input.
00:07:59
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So it's, it's going to take line level. So I could see like a reason for bringing level up just to do that. But Chris, yeah, you, you hit STD 3000 as just told. Yeah.
00:08:10
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And that's the thing. Like you, you can put it in anything you should, you know, we should maybe be more basic about this. And like the whole purpose, the only reason for an effects loop is if you want preamp gain before your modulation and stuff like that. So if you want,
00:08:27
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That's the only worthwhile reason that I see. I don't typically like it, but if you want your preamp tube stages to break up before your effects loop, before all of your effects, your outboard modulation and all that stuff.
00:08:44
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that's when an effects loop is usable. So when you're getting your tube breakup from your preamp stage, rather than your power stage, like Chris said, like in a Plexi where the power amp is and most of the saturated sound, there's no point in throwing an effects loop in there because it it's basically having a hard time bringing this home here, but it's the same. Just throw it on the front end. It's the same. It's garbage. It's garbage. Yeah. it's It's stupid. It's trash. In a non-master volume amp where you're cranking it, there's no point.
00:09:17
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If the amp is designed well, i I think everything sounds better all the time going into the front end. Yep. i'm on I'm completely on board with that. We do have an effects loop in the Vincent, but...
00:09:29
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Because people would bitch at you if you didn't or? Well, because it was kind of easy. It was just easy to put like an insert there and the impedances happened to match. And it's a pedal level effects loop, which I don't I don't really believe in the line level effects loop thing. It's pedal level.
00:09:47
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So ah basically, when you don't have the dirt channel going, it it's just an insert to put your pedals or the effect loop pedals in front of the amp. And when you activate the dirt channel, it puts the dirt channel before the pedals.
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And then there's the pedals and then there's the rest of the amp. But I don't know. I'm just like not interested in rack effects that run at line level for guitar because people are doing way more interesting things with pedal level, instrument level units these days.
00:10:22
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Yeah. That's where all the fun stuff happens. no and Like I'm not going to rock some like anachronistic like 80s like rack delay with the Benson amp. Right. And if you're doing that, if you're doing that, then just use a rack preamp and then run it into your amp. Do the rack preamp into all your other cool effects and then go into whatever amp you want to use. So I would say that I support this line of thinking, especially with regard like the Vincent, you have a breakup stage in there. And so you're putting your pedal level effects loop after the breakup stage to introduce it before the power amp. So you have a distorted signal that you're then running through, ideally time-based effects. It's a series loop too, right?
00:11:01
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Not a parallel loop. ah Yeah, series. So there you go. Time-based effects. That's the point of it being there. I would also add some case examples where it's actually usable.
00:11:16
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I'm not an effects loop guy at all, but I have... and I think I've even described on this podcast before, utilized the send from effects loops in order to do other things with it. Yeah, totally. That's molting amps, same preamp out, or same preamp out to two different power amps. I think there's definitely uses for that.
00:11:37
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Also in like heavier music and heavier distorted guitar playing, even something like a plexi that's deriving its distortion primarily from the output section and the phase inverter.
00:11:47
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There was one small independent pedal builder, i think maybe a couple of people might have done this type of concept, but I think was Dunn Effects, D-U-N-N, did something called the Death Knob, that's what it is.
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And it's basically like the EQ section, but at a fixed setting of the, I think it was a boss at too. I'm probably screwing this up. I'm just not a pedal guy, but it was like the, the gyrator circuit.
00:12:15
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So you've got this resonant peak that pushes really, really hard and you put it in the effects loop and it would just make your plexi distortion into like chainsaw. Like it would sound like entombed is pretty fricking cool, but you can't do it.
00:12:30
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You can't do it that way without an effects loop. in an
Amp Recommendations and Preferences
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amp. So there is some stuff I think it could be used for, but yeah, it's like, I wouldn't want to sit around and design that.
00:12:40
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It's just an eternally annoying question for me because I've gotten so many emails about, can you put an effects loop in your silk tone amp? And I'm like, no, that's not how the amp works. It's all power amp breakup.
00:12:51
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just You offer it as a custom add-on option, but someone has to submit a written request for it that stipulates what their usage would be and why it's required. And you have to validate that and say, okay, you want a parallel loop and you're doing this and that. And you know what? That's dumb.
00:13:07
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No. I tell them to get a Micronaut and run their pedals between the Micronaut and the Silktone app. Oh, see, now you're just trying to sell people stuff. ballsy. Dude, it's a perfect little tube preamp.
00:13:18
Speaker
You got your little effects loop right there. Perfect. It's little. It's yellow. It's different. Yeah. You can totally use the SilicTone to just as a recording preamp. What you got to do is put a transformer before it.
00:13:32
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You got your SilicTone amp, and then you got a dummy load, and then you have to that. Oh, no. yeah And I also sell an EQ. Perfect. So you're in luck.
00:13:44
Speaker
I'm going to start selling these Korg SDD 3000 clones too. You want the edge sound? Oh, this is reminding me of those, reminding me of those people that would modify those Akai Roberts M7 tape units to be Mike Preeze. Like we put a transformer on on everything. Yeah.
00:14:04
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Yeah. Oh my God. Those things were yeah like fuzz amps. Like they sounded cool for a buzz base, not for a mic pre. I'm going to rewire my studio monitor to be a mic pre. There you go. That's how it's done.
00:14:20
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ah Wait, did we answer Buddy Blues' question or did we... We could go into it more, but I think I'll just get... more annoyed but another thing that really grinds my gears ah it's when people want to fetch when people want to fetch loops that are that but it's got to be tube-based got to be tube-based effects loop and i'm like why you're running transistor-based effects through it what do you care like you make a way more efficient transistor based effects loop that is totally transparent that will go into all of your transistor pedals all of your solid state pedals why it's just people who don't know what they're asking for and it ah it's just bugs me i'm actually warming up to effects loops yeah yeah now i think i like them you've been convinced i mean yeah it's a smart idea in the vincent
00:15:11
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Also, I want to throw out there, I did not know that the loop in it, in yourre in the Vincent, was pedal level. That's pretty interesting. Is it selectable or is it only pedal level?
00:15:22
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It's only pedal level because that's the kind of guy I am. And you sell pedals too, right? If I had to do one, I'd go series loop over parallel. Parallel is a nightmare to set up, right?
00:15:35
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it's just It's just, yeah. Charles is over it. Next question.
00:15:45
Speaker
I was wondering what the differences are between the early and late style DR-103 phase inverters, how they work, what it does to the sound, pluses and minuses, et cetera, et cetera.
00:15:59
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One's good and one sucks. Is this the one with the the tube voltage regulator thing? Cathode. The early ones are cathode follower fixed bias. So it's like DC coupled and they are rad and they sound amazing.
00:16:14
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And the later ones are just a normal ass long tail cap coupled. no, no. Phase inverter, right? Isn't that, that's not it. I don't know. I don't think so.
00:16:26
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No, the later ones use a voltage reference that's derived off of a cathode follower for a low impedance voltage reference in order to bias the phase inverter.
00:16:36
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Let me look this up. Yeah, take a look-see. I always wondered, when I was first starting out, I always wondered what that thing was. And then I was staring at it like six or seven years ago, and I was like, oh, that's cool. Which one are we talking about? Yeah, it's a voltage divider chucked into a cathode follower.
00:16:56
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Late 70s they changed it, something like that, right? It happens in the mid-70s, I believe. Mid-70s. Here I have that here, yeah. Okay, yeah, so the earlier ones, directly coupled cathode follower. That's a cool one.
00:17:12
Speaker
Oh yeah, this is the one I know. the early 70s. The thing about it too is you've got that, there's that one meg resistor that feeds the follower. So there's a little bit of DC.
00:17:23
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That's just biasing that stage on. It's probably not enough to pass through or anything like that. But yeah, the short of it is directly coupled cathode follower on the earlier ones. And then later they capacitively couple the audio, but they have that divider feed a cathode follower for a low impedance voltage source.
00:17:43
Speaker
Oh, let me see. I have the early one here. So the beauty of it. Okay. So yeah, with that one, you're one Meg, you're two 20 K. Like i'm looking at it right now. That's so your divider voltage is going to be fixed.
00:17:57
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Oh, and it's feeding it into. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so the with that one, the supply, as long as the supply is this is similar between units, the biasing for the phase inverter is going to be effectively the same versus the other one where when you have a cathode follower feeding directly coupled to the long tail pair, the current draw of the cathode follower will of course change the biasing.
00:18:24
Speaker
It's a smart move. It's really smart. Yeah, it's awesome. It's a really good use of a tube. It's interesting, too, that the how the present circuit changes as well. So the present circuit becomes capacitively coupled to the input, which means that there's no low frequency coupling there, at least not much, because you've got that cap that goes into the inverter.
00:18:46
Speaker
hit It's a strange idea. It really is. I have not f***ed with this one. I'm familiar with the early ones. I've never built one of these later ones. So I see what it's doing here. They're cleaner. They're they're cleaner and they're... ah feel like it's more HiWatt.
00:19:03
Speaker
Like this is more classic HiWatt, the later one. Yeah, like it's... Like this is what people are excited about. Really, i like I like the older ones way more. I mean, they're all good. Dave Reeves was yeah brilliant. Yeah, they are.
00:19:15
Speaker
But in terms of the clean thing, the punishing clean thing, think the later ones were better at that. What Chris said, like the quintessential high watt is definitely that that change in the inverter and the mid to late 70s designs for sure.
00:19:30
Speaker
My old band, The Guitar Player, played a seven I want to say 78 DR-103. d r one o three And that thing was just, the other amp that he played was an orange 8140. And honestly, the HiWat smoked the orange in level and just in sheer power.
00:19:46
Speaker
Fantastic amp. The early ones and those like non-active EQ sound cities, those are more, I don't want to say martially because they're not martially. They're just more like, they're spongier and they do, they're more character.
00:20:01
Speaker
Not in a bad way. They're just different. But like the HiWat thing, like Chris said, like, The quintessential high watt thing is the later ones. I love how big those grid resistors are on this thing too.
00:20:12
Speaker
The 22K is pretty massive for the time. Oh, feeding the power amp? Yep. Yeah, no. Grid stoppers. Yeah, so there's no grid current that's going to get drawn, which I mean, think about it, like these things were running, i think when they're when they're running on the voltage they're so supposed to be on, there's still something like, what, 485?
00:20:32
Speaker
And that's a pretty steep low-pass filter, or a pretty high low-pass filter for the PI2, probably works really well for tightening up stuff and cutting out stuff the power amp's not going to be able to do anyways.
00:20:43
Speaker
Well, yeah, I'd say there's a lot of stuff going on. Okay. So those resistors are high. eel thirty four Miller effect on EL34, it's not really that high. So that's, I'm realizing if I talk about that, I should probably explain what the Miller effect is, but i don't really want to go into all that. That presence control is super unique and it goes through a lot of caps.
00:21:05
Speaker
So there's a lot of phase shift that happens with it because you have two of them. And then in the later ones, you have, it's three technically because you have the input cap to the phase inverter being another point of phase shift.
00:21:16
Speaker
So the big grid resistors there, they're also going to shave off any sort of like ultrasonic parasitic oscillation that could happen because of the phase shift that's there.
00:21:27
Speaker
I mean, yeah, they're using partridges, so... You know, there's really good primary secondary coupling, high interleaving, low leakage inductance. So high frequency is up there. It's extended.
00:21:38
Speaker
But again, you've got all these caps in the feedback loop. So that phase shift would transfer through. Those resistors probably help keep that from being a problem. I'm just looking at the preamp schematics right now. don't even.
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'm looking at those again too. The early 70s, late HiWatts are like my favorite amp of all time. The DR-103 is up there. It's the one amp I regret ever selling.
00:22:01
Speaker
i sold a bunch of amps when I started Silk Tone and i was like, yeah but i' I'll buy them back later. And then the prices like starrocketed on HiWatts and I haven't been able to find ah cool one again. And it's like the one amp I am like desperate to get back.
00:22:14
Speaker
But I liked the early ones so much more than the later ones. It's just a different thing. They just did everything right. Like the speaker, it's the speaker cab is incredible with those fanes and it's just such an awesome balance sound, really cool tone stack.
00:22:31
Speaker
Wait, well the thanes were later. I'm definitely not a high watt expert, but I'm pretty certain that the thanes were later and the early ones were those gray. No, they had purple thanes in like the 72s and like. No, i'm I'm being, no, I'm thinking of the magnets. No, they're all thanes for the most part. And the earlier ones are the medium weight magnets and the later ones, again, they wanted bigger, louder, cleaner, more headroom.
00:22:56
Speaker
Those ones had higher weight mags to them. Yeah, I had a 72 head and cab, and it was perfect, and I shouldn't have sold it. We know Steve Fryett owns the Sound City name and it has been doing Sound City amps. I think it's Fryett. I didn't know. I didn't know Fryett owned that.
00:23:14
Speaker
But he basically what he's doing is all those like early high-watt, late Sound City designs, not ah the Sound City, what is it, the LB... 100 or 120 the active eq ones not those not any of that stuff but like the stuff that you like right right which i got i haven't heard of sound i haven't heard of sound city i got to play a really early one it was a 50 watt unfortunately long long time in it i used to repair those all the time at varellin they were pretty much pretty all over the place The old sound cities or the Friat sound cities? The old ones. I've only tried the Friat one once and sounded good.
00:23:52
Speaker
Yeah. I remember liking it. I have a Reeves like DR 504 clone here and that's all I'll say. I think those are more of the later mid to late seventies designs. Don't quote me on that, but yeah, it's fine.
00:24:06
Speaker
It's definitely what I think about when I think about Hiwatt, the early ones, they're cool. They're just, it really is just like a different flavor. And I will say I have much more experience with the later ones than the early ones. So maybe I'm just biased in my own personal experience.
00:24:20
Speaker
I've got a DR 103 here at the studio, actually. What year is it? I do not know. I haven't looked. Oh, dude, what are you doing? You have the cab too? Do you have a 412?
00:24:32
Speaker
No, I don't have a high watt 412. I have a Marshall 412 here. Man, those amps used to be, they were I feel like they were always expensive, but you used to be able to get them for like reasonable amount of money. Like a long time ago on Craigslist, there was ah a DR-103, late seventy s d one oh three with a matching full stack.
00:24:48
Speaker
with the heavy magnet fanes and it was like 1800 bucks for everything. Damn. Like you'd get what, 25 or more for one of those cabinets alone now?
00:24:59
Speaker
Jesus. More dude, there's so much money. I found one on Craigslist or a Facebook marketplace. There was one like six hours away from me in the middle of nowhere in California and for the head and cab and they looked, there was like a 71.
00:25:14
Speaker
and they were in like almost pristine condition the dude wanted like 2300 bucks for the pair and i was like oh and i messaged him and he had just sold it the day before i was so bought um damn we we did something with my new planet queen amp that's coming out the 100 watt didn't when we were talking transformers for that thing we were talking high watt vibe and do you want to dive into what you did with that with inspiration from the the high watt designs No, not at all okay all. Right on.
00:25:44
Speaker
Cool. Next question. ah took Man, I'm done working for it today. Don't make me do any more work. ah Yeah, it's like a high watt. It's a little bit of like a dash of like Fender and has a scotch of Marshall in it. And there's a little bit of a splash of Gibson in there. but I didn't forget about Mops. Oh yeah, it's smooth and punchy.
00:26:07
Speaker
but It's like squishy, but really tight and articulate. Oh, that's so cool. Rumbling bass, smooth treble. I would have to go into the other room and get the design documents for it. I can't remember off the top of my head every transformer. But yeah, it was a really cool job.
00:26:27
Speaker
It's a really great sounding transformer that we made. Yeah, yeah, cool. um you know You're obviously so excited about it. Good job. it Does it sound good on the amp, Charles? It sounds great.
00:26:40
Speaker
it sounds ah it's The watts are high. Is it thick but punchy? It's thick and smooth. It's silky. is Is it bright but smooth? Oh, it's silky. It's silky and it has higher watts than normal.
00:26:55
Speaker
I like how all the speaker descriptions are just a three band EQ with different superlatives. So it's like, okay, so you got this Jensen, whatever, P15, et cetera. It's got formidable lows, rich mid range and smooth highs. Yeah.
00:27:16
Speaker
But then the ceramic version will have punchy lows, excellent mid-range character, and I don't know, glassy yet smooth high-end. God.
00:27:29
Speaker
And that's every speaker description ever. Really airy highs. Yeah. Yeah. Are pickup descriptions like that too, I imagine? I know, look, i don't buy anything.
00:27:39
Speaker
Yeah. They are. It's exactly what Chris said. We could pull something up and do it read them and... Oh, no. She's like, that's my day job.
00:27:51
Speaker
Same thing. No, I've been doing that job all day. um It's awesome that we do a podcast and we're like, people are probably tuning in to hear about amp and gear design and recommendations, but we're all too tired from our day job by the time we get here. So we're like...
00:28:09
Speaker
Where's the, let's talk about SpaghettiOs. Dude, seriously. i have an interesting update from
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00:28:24
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I called in a few weeks ago about that crush I had who lived across the country and you gave me some great advice. He said to basically just be direct and have a conversation with him and If he's been into it, awesome. If he's not, then also awesome because then I can move on. And he told me to be gentle with myself, which I really appreciate that because I needed to hear that.
00:28:46
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Anyway, I have an update. I actually was not planning on having ah conversation about this at all. And this was all over just Instagram DMs. I jokingly call him a chicken, not meaning anything actually. I was just being cute. But then he was the person to first say, why? Because I haven't flown to l LA. He he says It's tough because he thinks that these types of things are hard to nurture without an in-person presence. So completely valid. i was a little disappointed, but also like totally understood. And Loki was happy because I was like, okay, I can stop putting mental energy against into this guy.
00:29:21
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But then the following day, post a thirst trap in my story. And then he responds immediately with something really flirty. And then he double texts me two hours later. We go back and forth briefly.
00:29:32
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And then He says, the solution here is obviously we need to do some traveling. I said, i'm I'm open to it. I also said, ah we should have a phone call.
00:29:44
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At this point, this is like the following day. And his response times were getting slower. And I was so over it at this point. So I ended up just saying something like, okay, I feel like I've made what I want clear. So if you feel like making a move one day, you know where to find me.
00:29:59
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And then he responded saying, a phone call is easy. Let's do it. But that was on Monday, and it's Thursday now, and still nothing. So I don't know what advice I need, but actually, no, I just solved my own issue because I'm not waiting around for him. I'm not putting my life on hold for him. I'm moving on.
00:30:19
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The ball is fully in his court now. If he decides to do something, cool. If not, also cool. I hope you liked this update.
00:30:28
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That was Kirsten. Wow. Hell yeah, Kirsten. Good job standing up for yourself and sticking to it. It's hard sometimes. That's awesome. What do the kids call out least that? This guy sounds like a f*** boy. That's it. That's what they call them. When I was in Japan, I show i was hanging with my Japanese teacher a lot and I showed her an old picture of me and she said, you look like a f*** boy.
00:30:56
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So Charles also sent me that photo and he really did. looked like a boy whose favorite band was Papa Roach. No. Sounds like Kirsten put herself out there and kind of said, this is what I want. Meet me, meet me here, rise up to it and didn't happen.
00:31:15
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Yeah. And if he said that's really easy, let's do that. And then couldn't do that within four days. Yeah. Then he's obviously not thinking about her or thinking about pursuing it. It's just when it's easy, when it's convenient.
00:31:29
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Yeah, or he just sucks to life. So, he made the right choice. Move on. Don't give him another chance. don I learned recently, don't don't allow someone to show you twice that they don't want you.
00:31:43
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I think that's pretty good advice. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's I did not expect you to say that. Wow. Yes. Yeah. Am I going deep and weird here?
00:31:54
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No, I also just made some major life changes because while I was in Japan, I did a lot of self-reflecting and hanging out at parks and Airbnbs and stuff. And something hell of
The Power of Decision-Making
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resonated with me. I forget who said it, but I saw a quote and it said that you will lose...
00:32:11
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You will lose more through indecision than through making the wrong decision. So I find myself getting paralyzed by decisions sometimes not knowing... whether I should break off a relationship or make a business move or doing whatever. And you get so caught up in the what ifs and which way to go.
00:32:30
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You miss any opportunity that would have come if you had just made the decision quickly and gone with it. So those two things have been super like floating through my mind lately. And I think that's good what Kirsten did because Yeah. Don't let someone show you twice.
00:32:45
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I never really have to deal with that, Charles, because I'm so impulsive.
00:32:51
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That's true. I'm trying to be more that way. Be more decisive and impulsive than instead of obsessing over everything.
00:32:59
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it it It makes me really hard to pin down. Yeah. Hard to read. I feel the opposite. I feel option paralysis, decision paralysis has it's gotten worse as I've gotten older.
00:33:10
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I'm like, I think the stakes are higher as I've gotten older. Business has grown and just big. Everything is more adult and has more weight associated with it. Yeah, I get my head spin sometimes about making, you know, quote, the right decision.
00:33:26
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Yeah. It's hard. It's really hard. I feel like when you get to a certain level, every time you level up, you go through that. Yeah. Honestly, but then at a certain point you get used to it. And then you're like, if I'm not operating the way that I used to when I'm, when I was smaller, what am I doing? Like, how did I even get here?
00:33:45
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And then you have to fool yourself into thinking the stakes are just the same. And it's just YOLO again. Yeah. As long as you're not like hurting people or. Yeah. Like, oh my gosh, I made a terrible decision. Now I have to fire everyone. or and so But it's just too much pressure you not make a decision. You have to make a decision.
00:34:07
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Yeah. So I ah tend to be pretty. You adapt either way. Yeah, it takes a second, but I i find myself making decisions all the time that would have been crushing to me 10 years ago.
00:34:22
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Right. the Just the weight and the gravitas of this could totally, this really affects people's lives or this might make someone this might make someone upset or feel a certain way, but not making that decision.
00:34:34
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isn't really an option so i'm just to have to go with my gut so a lot of that decision making probably looks a little impulsive I would imagine yeah and it's cool like you said the more you do it the easier it becomes it's like it's a practice thing the more you jump in the water the quicker you can do it the next time So I looked up that quote that Charles said, more is lost by indecision than wrong decision. Indecision is the thief of opportunity.
00:35:02
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It will steal you blind. And that was by Marcus Tullius Cicero. That's an old quote. It's good one. How do you steal someone blind?
00:35:15
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Does mean you like go for the eyes?
00:35:21
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i think maybe it's a poetic device. Nah.
00:35:28
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