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Episode 110: Serenity
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We’ve got another installment of Your Favorite Bad Movie Podcast Classics, and it’s a whooper of a tale with Serenity (2019). This Steven Knight neo-noir/thriller is a more recent film, but it made quite a stir for its very gutsy and, frankly, bizarre twist. Matthew McConaughey is an unhinged sea-boat captain who’s in search of a tuna named Justice when his ex-wife, Anne Hathaway, rolls into town and needs her husband dead. Diane Lane, Djimon Hounsou and Jason Clarke are also present in this tale of fishing, death, sex and physical abuse, but is this film worthy of being a bad film classic? The panel can all agree that it’s bad, and they can all agree that it’s stupid, but the currents of the sea have them all in different places. Tune in!
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Why Are Bad Movies Considered Classics?
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It's bad to be bad, it's bad to be bad, and I guess it's understood that you would, if you could, and you know that you should, yes you know that you should.
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcast. The only podcast that's brave enough to ask a question. If this movie's so bad, why is it a classic?
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Question mark? yeah Modern classic, maybe? Maybe, maybe more infamous. We're your hosts.
Meet the Hosts: Chris and Greg
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My name is Chris Anderson.
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Let's say I'm the baker dill of the show. If you saw my body, that would make perfect sense. Definitely. It would. I was wondering how all of this is going to shake out ah because it's interesting whoever is whatever. You know what I mean? yeah Yeah. Let's say that, Greg, you're my loyal mate, so you've got to be the Duke of the show. Okay. Yep. You've also beautiful bald man. You've got that going, too. Thank you.
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Gonna start calling you the white duke, I think. Except that's already David Bowie, I guess. Well. can Can I be the fish? You can absolutely be justice. The fish.
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Awesome. Even though, obviously, you're a cat lady that I like to have sex with. So...
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You can also very easily be whoever Diane Lane's character was. Constance? Her name is Constance? Yeah. Fuck, Diane.
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Constance or justice, you know? Yeah.
Introducing 'Serenity' (2019)
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So, listeners, we're returning to the show concept of your favorite bad movie pod classics. We're once again checking things off the list that might not be anyone's particular favorite bad movie, but are still canonical. You know, something that should be addressed. And this week we're talking about Serenity.
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From 2019. 2019 Serenity. Don't get it twisted. Now, listeners, if you haven't seen Serenity. I can't imagine you have. ah Some of you have. Some have, certainly. Yeah.
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But here's just a short summary to hold in your mind.
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A down-on-his-luck fisherman gets
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into a murder scheme, only to learn that he's actually a video game character in an open world fishing game created by his son. Wow, you put the, you did not bury the lead.
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You did not bury the lead.
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I mean, I get called out for more often describing, you know, the the premise than the plot. And I feel like, no, that that this is what happens in this movie.
Analyzing the Twist and Aesthetics of 'Serenity'
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Sure.
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Yeah, I think this movie is more sort of infamous than anybody's. It is just incredibly bad. and It is In a very easy way to explain.
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Yeah.
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Matthew McConaughey figures out that he's a video game character. Mm-hmm. In a neo-noir, in a series, not like a joke. Yeah. It's not like Free Guy.
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if no it's It's not like Gamer. No. No. No. It's more like Tron, maybe, in reverse.
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Maybe, I guess. Memento? meets it's more like It's more like I don't know I don't remember Stranger Than Fiction That movie where Will Ferrell realizes he's Emma Thompson's novel character yeah I think it's been done before with books But um for There is one you can compare it to But I can't tell you what it is Because then you know Right that's But I will say that aesthetically
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As I was watching it before I knew what was going on, I was like, you know, this reminds me of that movie, which is weird that somehow aesthetically they both managed to have feel the same. Interesting.
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Okay. So no one on the panel had seen this one before. No. no But I'd heard of it. So this is my story. Many people who know me and know that I like bad movies, like several of my close friends were like, have you seen Serenity with Matthew McConaughey?
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i was like, no, they're like, you should. and and I was like, okay, like, but don't Google it. Don't look into it at all. And so this has been years of like three or four people telling me this at various times.
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ah So I was very happy to see this pop up. And I have to say that I was wildly entertained by this film. Okay. Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. Because i knew what was going to happen.
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And so the whole time this movie seemed incredibly stupid to me. yeah I mean, that's every minute. So that's kind of what I loved about it is that it was incredibly stupid.
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That was the joy for me is it was just like, this is preposterous. And I figured it out pretty quick. Okay. At least not like the end of it, but this like i was at ah like a third of the way down in my notes, I have, they're in a computer.
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Because it was like the first time you see the child looking at the screen, I was like, oh, so this is the video game. Yeah, you see a pitching game reflected in his eyes. Yeah.
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it's It's not a smart movie, and so it yeah it really telegraphs the twist in a way that if you know going in. Where I had um i had recently, I put it on the list, art the list I made of movies that we might do, are classics, potential classics, because someone, I had mentioned the podcast and was like, oh yeah, have you guys done...
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Serenity 2019. was like, is that the one where Matthew McConaughey is chasing a fish? He was like, yes, I saw it in the theater.
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Wow. What an experience. Yes. Well, do you guys want to know what I found out about the making of
Production Insights and Reception of 'Serenity'
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Serenity? Very much. Absolutely. All right, let's hit it.
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I wish I had some context about the background of the film. Script director, actors on set. What was going on on screen?
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I want to hear some details. Gossip screen to all that shit. Can't imagine all the time.
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So Serenity was released to January 25th, 2019. Your writer-director, Stephen Knight. One man, both jobs. This was a singular vision.
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You can tell. Yeah. If two guys thought of this, one of them would said, we shouldn't do this. Yes. I'm actually genuinely surprised a lot of people read this script and said, I'm in.
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Well... Okay. Maybe his resume will lend him some ah credibility somehow. Sure. But before we get to that, we got three taglines.
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Tagline number one. On Plymouth Island, no one ever dies unless you break the rules. That's weird.
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Very weird. Yeah. Tagline number two. There is a place you can escape your past as long as you follow every rule.
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That doesn't really make sense to me for this film. That's like doesn't what that tagline is for. a tagline is for a movie called Kokomo, but it's a neo-noir.
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A neo-noir called Kokomo. Yeah, yeah. That sounds great. It does. does.
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All right, tagline number three, last one. Truth lies beneath the surface of the rules. I'm kidding about the rules part. Okay.
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Truth lies beneath the surface. ah I'll take it. and yeah the random of video game twist at least Yeah.
Stephen Knight's Career Highlights
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Yeah. Yeah. and that one has the double meaning of you know the ocean and the the narrative
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So writer director Stephen Knight got his start writing for British sketch comedy shows like the Roan Lucas show and canned carrot starring Jasper carrot in the early nineties.
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Wow. wish I had come up with canned carrots starring Jasper carrots. Are you yeah fucking kidding me? That's very good. That's very good.
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um He was also the main writer of a show called The Detectives, which was like a police procedural parody that starred Jasper Carrot. I got to look into Jasper Carrot. Yeah. Yeah.
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But then in 1998, he found his biggest success when he created, along with David Briggs and Mike Whitehill, the era-defining game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
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What? He is one of the creators of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. That's not what I expected. Shabow! Yeah. That's my mind being blown.
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so Millionaire would go on, obviously, to become a global cultural phenomenon with over 100 countries around the world with their own versions. This kind of success would open a lot of doors in show business. Yeah.
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He was able to get four of his screenplays made in the following decade. And two of them were actually really good. I want to say. He wrote something called Gypsy Woman in 2001. I've never heard of it.
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then But then in 2002, he wrote Dirty Pretty Things. Oh, shit. I've heard of that. Oh, shit. Yeah, we just watched that week for the first time. Yeah, it was great.
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Okay. Yeah. And you can see working in a neo-noir vein. Huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Then in 2006, he wrote Amazing Grace, a movie starring Yoan Grufford about ending Britain's role in the transatlantic slave trade.
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Sounds very boring. yeah Yeah. But then in 2007, he wrote Eastern Promises. Oh, yes. I remember seeing that. Yeah.
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I forgot about that. Yeah, great film So he he can make a he can write a cool neo-noir He's got some legitimate neo-noir bona fides That's fascinating Yeah, i know I remember looking him up after watching Dirty Pretty Things and being like Oh, he wrote Eastern Promises That's why this movie reminded me a little bit of Eastern Promises This movie did not remind me of Eastern Promises No Well, there's a lot of of man butt in it. Sure.
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Sure. ah Well, Easter Promises was a big critical and modest financial success. And it sort of let night level up again on the movie side. Get out of TV.
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In the 2010s, he was able to get 13 of his screenplays produced. Wow. And for the most part, get out of working in television. He was also able to start directing. He had previously only directed a couple episodes of the detectives in 2013. He directed his first feature redemption, a Jason Statham action movie that did not recoup its budget.
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Don't know how you do that. Yeah. Must've been one of those red box ones. Maybe. Hmm. In 2013, he directed Lock, a drama where Tom Hardy drives from Birmingham to London to attend the birth of the child he's having with his mistress. Every other character in the film is just a voice on the other end of a telephone.
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Huh. Huh. I mean. If anybody could pull it off, it's Tom Hardy. ah Yeah, I'd give it a shot. Yeah.
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Then after six year break from that one, two punch, he returned to the director's chair to make Serenity. Well, it was actually only four years later. Serenity began production in 2017. Always good sign.
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you always a good sign Yeah. Now, near as I could tell, production went pretty smoothly, except for a minor government scandal that the press would later dub Serenity Gate.
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Serenity received certain tax credits to film in the remote island nation of Mauritius. And Prime Minister Pravind Jognauf misappropriated $6 million dollars in Mauritian rupees somewhere in that process.
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So they didn't have anything to do with it, but he used the process of this to get extra money for himself. Yeah, it it appears. Okay. Allegedly. Allegedly. you I don't want to... Right, right. Of course. Yeah.
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It was finished eventually and picked up for distribution early next year. The last time stars Matthew McConaughey and Anne Hathaway teamed up, they made over $700 million dollars at the box office with Interstellar.
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So everyone was pretty excited for this one. They thought, let's get that magic again. These two, the chemistry off the charts. Let's put them in an antagonistic romantic relationship.
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Yeah, let's make a movie where they just have bad vibes the whole time. Yeah, and no chemistry. No. Now, ah unfortunately, both preview screening audiences and critics absolutely hated Serenity.
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Makes sense. The movie's very bad. It is. Yeah.
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The distributor, Averon Pictures, immediately stopped promoting the film, pulled TV spots, canceled press junkets, and they drastically reduced the number of screens it would be released on.
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Scott Mendelson, writing for Forbes magazine, described the situation thusly. An original R-rated, star-driven, sexually explicit thriller from a small distributor with poor reviews, a D-plus from CinemaScore, and an understandably misleading marketing campaign is the very definition of DOA.
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Averon would merely have been burning money to spend any more money on marketing Serenity than it already did. Yeah. Yeah.
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Other thrillers of 2019. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, Knives Out that year. Great film. I literally watched Knives Out 3 last night, so this is very funny.
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Oh, how was it? It was great. Lived it. Fantastic. I forgot there was one. Yeah, that's what two people said to me. was like, I'm watching Knives Out 3 tonight. There's a Knives Out 3?
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I also forgot there was a third one. I never watched the second. I i should watch the
Plot Summary: Tuna Obsession and Character Interactions
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other Knives Out. Yeah. ah You got Uncut Gems, another one that I keep meaning to watch. I should watch that one.
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You got Us. Oh, that was good. Now that one we saw. Yeah, that one we went and saw in theater. Yeah, great stuff. Of course, from ah our show regular M. Night Shyamalan, this year you got Glass.
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ye The Shyamalan-a-sance is starting up. Yes. And you've got personal favorite of mine, John Travolta in the Fred Durst directed classic, The Fanatic. It's great. Yeah. m Very, very fun. Very strange film. Well, with that, do you guys want to talk about the plot? salinity Yeah, let's let's let's do this.
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
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So we see a child and we zoom in on one of the child's eyes and his pupil becomes a pool of water. And sitting in that pool of water is a boat. And that boat is called Serenity.
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forgot about the child appearing immediately, actually. Immediately? You shouldn't do that. No. no Now, on board the Serenity is the captain, Baker Dill.
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Great name. Wow. Yeah, normal name. Very normal. I feel like in elementary school, I knew at least four Baker Dills.
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So he's played by Matthew McConaughey in full haunted man mode. And he's got his first mate, Duke, played by Jaimon Honsu, who's doing the sort of classic Jaimon Honsu thing of being the white protagonist's friend.
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And then they've got two paid passengers who have chartered them for a deep sea fishing voyage. I think you guys do much fishing. I have a fear of open water, so no.
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That's fair. Not even any river fishing? I mean, at that point, I've done so. I did a lot when I was a kid, and I think I, like, fished myself out in many ways. That sounds family's big into fishing, so it's like, and I've gone fishing again ah maybe 10 years ago. I went home. My brother's a fish guide, so I was like, we should go on a trip. We should go out in the boat, so.
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Yeah, I did little bits of it when I was young yeah up at my grandparents' lake cabin, but, you know, it's a good excuse to get out on a boat. Drink some beers.
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But I mostly, i don't actually, I'm not sure. i i don't know if I've been fishing since I would have drunk beers as part of the. Yeah. Maybe none of us really had the true fishing experience. Yeah.
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I never, I never fished.
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You know me. Indoor kid. Indoor kid. Soon they've got a fish on and it's a giant tuna. This tuna we quickly learn is Dill's nemesis.
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His white whale. Yes. yeah The customers, they want to reel it in, but Dill pulls a knife on them and tells them to back off. Love it. I love when we have our protagonist doing this this quickly.
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Yeah, it's nice that there's not a lot of escalation to this movie. All the characters are fairly consistent the whole way through. Yeah, it's true. Not a lot of growth and change.
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No. So ah he wrestles with this fish for a couple hours. And it makes sense that it's taking so long because it appears to be roughly the size of a cow.
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But at the end of the day, just when they're about to hook and reel it in, it gets away. His passengers aren't paying him for this shit. And now he's broke.
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Duke is worried about Dill, but Dill only cares about one thing, catching that damn fish. Mm-hmm.
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He's low on cash, so to get gas money for tomorrow, he goes to Diane Lane's house and has sex with her. Now he's had enough money to go back out tomorrow.
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He stops by the local watering hole, the rope and anchor, ah where he tells the other salty dogs that he's named the tuna justice. And then he stops by Duke's church and pays him to go out with him tomorrow.
Character Dynamics: Protagonist, Anne Hathaway, and Duke
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So already we've got a lot of texture, a lot of choices going on in this movie. In the fact that, ah Knowing that it's like a video game, ah the fact that like the the the player that you are gets to like have sex with someone and they give you money is such a weird such a weird thing to have in a video game. It's like, you're ah you're a male prostitute. It's like, okay.
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yeah This is bizarre. Yeah, that's one of the... A parent-child has programmed this as one of the ways that you get mana in the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is is you catch your cat.
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Yep. yeah Oh, right, right. You catch your cat, you bring that back, and then she has sex with you and gives you money. Yeah, that's once you put in the hot coffee mod.
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Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough.
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The next day they go fishing and they don't catch anything. Dill says Duke has been bad luck ever since his wife died and Duke storms off. Obviously a very hurtful thing to say to your co-worker. It's a weird thing to say to someone.
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It's really, really cruel. And there seems to be some like inference, maybe that ah he's doing this because he wants Duke to go get a more legitimate job.
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and he's like, get out of here. Nobody wants you here. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just strange. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to tell.
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Like, it seems like a lot of what people are doing in this film is just because they're supposed to because they're in a game without like having any emotional resonance to any of their choices. Realistically. Yes.
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Or alternately, it's a bad movie and it's not actually justified by the game. That's fair. I mean, both of these. Yeah, it's definitely true.
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That night, while Dill drowns his sorrows at the rope and anchor, who should pop by but Anne Hathaway, Dill's former lover, who for some reason calls him John.
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What do you guys think of Anne Hathaway in this movie? Very strange. I felt really bad for her. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. like Like, I don't know what she got paid for this, but it it was really... ah like I don't know how much the camera the camera gaze was objectifying her or anything, but the script was really leering at her in a way that...
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I don't know. It made i made me feel protective. Yeah. Yeah. And she didn't have very much to do here. No, no. Except just get like beaten a lot, which is really unfortunate.
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Yeah. And then like talking a husky whisper. Yeah. Be like, I need you to kill my husband, John. like and just doing that the whole movie uh and yeah just it felt beneath her frankly yeah and that's kind of what i meant by why would people be like why would you read this script and be like yeah i gotta be in that i feel like a paid vacation in mauritius is part of it that fair deuce yeah that makes sense i'm gonna spend a month on the island of mauritius and i'm gonna get paid for it
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You got it. Yeah, I'll be It very beautiful. Yeah. It reminded me of ah ah St. Martin, where we honeymooned. It did.
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ah So the two of them, they go back to his boat, the Serenity, or just Serenity, but they want to hang out in private. Mm-hmm. It turns out that they knew each other back when she was 16 and they had a kid together, but then he had to go off to Iraq to keep us free.
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Yeah. He's a hero. God damn it. And they ended up splitting up and now his son is being raised by a physically abusive criminal named Frank.
00:26:49
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ah Frank is apparently very high up in some sort of criminal organization. He has ties to mysterious Cubans.
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Now, it turns out, though, that Frank is also a bit of an angler. So Karen wants Dill to take him out in the open water, get him drunk and toss him overboard. In exchange, she will give him ten million dollars.
00:27:15
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Mm hmm. Good chunk of change on old Frank. Yeah. Yeah.
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Dill says no dice. He's got a new plans for making ends meet night fishing for swordfish. So he's off to go do that.
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This was the point at which I knew they were in a video game. I feel like maybe she said like she, he, he hears you talking to him through the computer screen or something. i was like, Oh, is he in the game?
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you got it yeah everyone's gonna figure it out at some point sooner or later and i feel like for most audience members it's gonna be sooner yeah so the next day diane lane questions him about karen seems everybody knows everything about everybody on plymouth island weird isn't it it's a strange place a small small world man But he blows her off in favor of some nude cliff diving.
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When he splashes into Yeah you If you want to see a lot of nude naked ah Nude and naked Matthew McConaughey This movie does offer that I can't take that away from Also my thought was like He's like I gotta take a shower And then like takes off his clothes and jumps in the ocean and it's like well you probably have to take a shower After you're in the ocean though Yeah you wanna get that salt on You're salt water That's not really It's gotta feel weird I bet It felt weird when I did it He's weird guy.
00:28:54
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ah When he splashes down into the water below, he hears the voice of his son, Patrick. Patrick will pop up periodically in the film for a shot or two, sitting at his laptop in his bedroom.
00:29:07
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Just imagine every couple minutes I say, and then we get a shot of Patrick in his bedroom, looking at his laptop. That's also happening. And it's oftentimes from the perspective of the laptop. Yeah. yes Right.
00:29:19
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With like the actual graphics appearing between you and Patrick, which is really stupid. Yes. It's like we are in the monitor because we're in the video game.
00:29:29
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Yeah. If we could just look out from our world, this is what we would see. And you can also you can occasionally hear his parents yelling at each other in the background, too. That's also going. up Yeah.
00:29:42
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and Meanwhile, Karen's husband, Frank, has come to town early and beat the shit out of her. Yep.
00:29:52
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Fantastic. This movie already has bad enough vibes. Let's throw some spousal views in there. I should mention, yeah, everybody in this movie is No one smiles at any point in this entire film.
00:30:06
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now uh dill he goes to the bait shop to get some fishing supplies before heading down to the dock where he finds frank and karen waiting for him frank insists that dill take him fishing tomorrow dill says no dice frank says he'll be back tomorrow with enough money to make sure he takes the job then dill hops in his boat and he sets sail and just as he leaves a little man in a black suit rolls up to the dock but he's unable to catch deal. He's popped up a few times.
00:30:40
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Yes. This is, this is when he has his first line. He there appears to be a 22nd discrepancy in my schedule. And he'll pop up every now and then throughout the film doing that sort of thing. He's played by Jeremy strong for all you succession heads out there.
00:30:59
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Can I confess that when I was watching Grimsby, I thought Mark strong was Jeremy strong. And I was like, was this guy in succession? No, no, no, no, I don't think so. No, it should have been Mark strong in this role. I think you would have brought an intensity to it.
00:31:20
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Uh, the next day, deal is about to set sail, when Duke stops him and says that he heard Frank is going to put up 10 grand for one day's fishing. So now deal is thinking, I'll take the 10 grand, but I won't kill the guy he says, all right, Duke, you start preparing the ship.
00:31:41
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And he stops to get ice and beer. And Karen discreetly begs him again to kill her husband. She tells him that the whole plan was Patrick's idea. And also Patrick talks to Dill through the computer screen.
00:31:57
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Yeah. And then the fellas go fishing.
00:32:02
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Frankie gets a little drunk. He gets a little chatty. He starts asking about a local spot where underage prostitutes are available. And also talking about how much he hates his creepy autistic stepson.
00:32:17
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Dill decides that maybe this guy actually is a turd. And he almost lets a shark that they hook yank Frank overboard. But then he decides against him. When they get back, Karen is very disappointed.
00:32:32
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That night over drinks, Duke figures out what is going on and tells Dill that this is morally wrong. You shouldn't kill people. That's bad.
00:32:44
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Dill takes this under advisement.
00:32:48
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Later, Karen swings by his boat and has sad sex with him. yeah And he finds that to be more convincing. He agrees to kill Frank, but denies that he could ever love Karen again.
00:33:03
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That's good enough for her. Karen heads back to the hotel. After they have sex, he says, I beat him. I win. Oh, it was a really weird thing.
00:33:16
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was a really weird thing to say. Very strange moment. Very strange thing for a son to program father's name. Yes, yes, exactly. That's what I was going to say. That's the big thing. It's just like, so you programmed your mom having angry sex with your dead father then being like, I beat him, i win. It's like, what in God's name?
00:33:39
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This is crazy. it's It's difficult to tell exactly how much of McConaughey's character is, ah you know, autonomous and how much of it is, you know, yeah free will at any given moment. Yeah.
00:33:53
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I assume that he's like... a player character that's so set to ai mode. Like you just set it to watch. I'm assuming because we never see the child playing the game. We just see the child programming the game.
00:34:10
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Yes. And so it's like, yeah. So it's all very in, in the way that it depicts like being in a video game. Well, we'll get into it when we get into it, but yeah, it's, yeah.
00:34:23
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It that doesn't make any sense.
00:34:28
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So yeah, after they finish their sad sex, Karen heads back to the hotel and deal heads back home only to find the mysterious suited man, Jeremy strong waiting for him.
The Video Game Revelation
00:34:42
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It turns out that his name is Reed Miller and he's a sales rep from a fishing supply company who was waiting there for him at two 30 in the morning. The electrical storm is my only opportunity. Yes. Yes.
00:34:59
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uh he's more than that though he's not just a guy that's bringing him a power up in the form of a fish finder yeah uh it turns out uh he lets slip after dill starts to threaten him that he is the rules and that they are both in a video game yeah
00:35:22
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Bum, bum, bum. Bum, bum. It's like when you say I am the rules, it's like there's not like an NPC that represents the rules of a game.
00:35:35
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No, and if you want him to be like an abstract force made manifest as a man to represent the rules, then he ought to have some sort of enforcement power. Yeah. He seems more like... ah ah Like the little Navi that follows you around in Legend of Zelda. Yeah, yeah. give you tips.
00:35:54
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Exactly. Try the fish finder. Yeah, no. Try the fish finder. High tide is at noon. Yeah. And I also just like the concept that like a video game can be like, oh, somebody's breaking those rules. We better send in the rules to let them know what they're doing wrong. It's just a bizarre even idea.
00:36:18
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Yeah, this feels like, I bet, Knight did not play a lot of video games in his day. It seems like he couldn't have.
00:36:29
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Uh-huh. And I can see that because, you know, being someone who hasn't played a lot of video games, like, the the game is constructed from...
00:36:45
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different parts of things that are familiar from video games, but you'd never have them all stuck together this way. And like, even I know that.
00:36:57
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So like, it's like, what kind of is this? ah Yeah, this isn't ah an MMORPG, but it's not a, well, I don't know all the acronyms, but it's,
00:37:10
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yeah You know, what kind of game is this? Yeah. I ended up thinking of it as an open world fishing simulator. i think that's what it's supposed to be.
00:37:22
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Which is, but a very strange concept for a game. I mean, fishing games are like real pervert stuff. Well, I, so, so we haven't gotten to it yet, but I think he just has a memory of going fishing with his dad. And so he's like, I want to go fishing.
00:37:38
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yes And then he adds a bunch of sex and prostitutes in things. he probably That was probably his buddy that came over. He's like, you should put a prostitute in the game, Patrick. That would be fucking sick.
00:37:52
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Yeah. It's like a...
00:37:56
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It's like kind of like an R-rated Animal Crossing. Yeah. It's what it felt like to me. yeah Yeah, I could see that. Because the fishing is important, but there are are also things that you have to keep up on. Yeah. And you know, you couldn't go out fishing unless you collected the ice and the bottles. Yeah.
00:38:13
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Oh, right. you know To yeah get the ice in the bottles, I'm sure you have to maintain your friendship with the bar owner. And, you know, like I can see these things that are familiar to me from video games, but just, yeah.
00:38:29
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It's just a mishmash. Yeah. Yeah. it definitely has a vibe of ah Grand Theft Auto meets Persona 5 meets Bassmasters.
00:38:42
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Yep. Which when I put it that way, I'd play. No, I mean, yeah, sounds pretty good. Actually, we should make that. Yeah. We just need to find the right boy.
00:38:53
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Yeah. ah So, yeah, Reed goes on to explain that they're both in a fishing video game, but someone is changing the rules of the game to make it about killing Frank.
00:39:05
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But Reed would really like things to get back to being about fishing. Dill finds this whole conversation very confusing. Then suddenly Dill wakes up. The man is gone, but his business card is still there.
00:39:22
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Dill pulls out some maps of Plymouth Island and quickly realizes that no maps show anything other than Plymouth Island. And he actually has no idea where the island specifically is. Dun, dun. It's like Dark City. Ba, ba, ba. Yeah, there's no way to get the shell beach.
00:39:42
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I do like the visual gag of the him finally rolling out the table-sized map, and it's just Plymouth Island in the middle of completely blanks ocean. It's anywhere.
00:39:56
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That was pretty fun. So he spends the rest of the morning doing assorted fetch quests for the day's fishing and questioning locals about whether or not ah their shared existence is real and occasionally yelling at the sky trying to talk to his son.
00:40:13
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Meanwhile, Karen wakes up to find that someone has attacked Frank and smashed up his hands. It turns out that Duke had Frank's hands broken by some local thugs.
00:40:28
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Dill becoming increasingly convinced that everyone he has ever met is an NPC runs off to get drunk. back at the hotel. Karen convinces Frank that he can still go fishing because holding a fishing rod should be just as easy as throttling her.
00:40:45
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And then puts his hands around her throat like, see, and it's like, this is weird. You're fucking weird, lady. So weird. It's so strange. Also, the concept of like an NPC being like, I'm going to save you by hiring someone to break a man's hands. It's like, that's really specific and strange.
00:41:09
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Out on the beach, Reed finds Dill drunk. And he tells him that if the rules of the game are now that he should go and kill Frank, then he should follow those rules and go and kill Frank.
00:41:24
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Dill is on board. Also, Karen is waiting for him at the docks with Frank. So Dill's like, okay, great. It's back on. Let's get this done.
00:41:36
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Dill and ah Karen lure a very injured and intoxicated Frank onto the boat and they set sail.
00:41:47
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They chum the waters and start prepping to send him overboard when suddenly stowaway appears. His name is Samson and Dill promised him a job earlier in the film.
00:42:01
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Dill just wanted to impress him with his go get them attitude. Samson. by sailing away Yes. Samson. Sorry. A lot of characters with stupid names in this. Yeah.
00:42:14
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Also, he reminded me of um God, like Haley Joel Osment. I feel like like an adult Haley Joel Osment. Just been like, Hey, Hey, I'm here. and it was just like, Oh, like this is an odd addition to what is already occurring.
00:42:29
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Yeah, he had a child actor that had outgrown childhood kind of vibe. you I hate to do it to you, Samson, as played by Gary and Dowds.
00:42:42
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Okay. Yeah. You got a little bit of a man boy face. But you know that you look at your face every day. You did a great job. No, no, I feel like everybody did a pretty solid job in this. I don't know what their jobs were, it seemed like they were doing them successfully.
00:43:00
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Yeah, yeah. for For what? Yeah. Yeah, to what end. Now, ah as if all that wasn't complicated enough, Dill gets a bite, and it's his old rival, the tuna named Justice.
The Surreal Ending and Final Revelations
00:43:19
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He sends Samson off to go steer the boat. before locking Frank into his rod and letting Justice pull him out and drag him into the watery deep.
00:43:30
Speaker
Justice has finally come for Frank. While he is doing that, that whole sequence is intercut with Patrick's bedroom out in the real world.
00:43:43
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We hear Frank screaming at Karen in another room, and Patrick picks up a large hunting knife from a tackle box and exits. When he returns, the screaming has stopped.
00:43:57
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TV news playing in the background confirms that Patrick did kill Frank by stabbing him to death. And the real Dill died in 2006 in Iraq.
00:44:09
Speaker
He was a hero. He got the Purple Heart for gallantry, which is not what you get the Purple Heart for. No, you get the Purple Heart for injury. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:22
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Patrick will undergo psychological evaluation and then be released to his mother's care. Everything's going great. Definitely. Yeah, I'm sure Karen's fine.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, your son just killed your husband. That's something that you won't have to unpack. Back in Plymouth, Karen says goodbye.
00:44:50
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Then Dill gets a phone call from Patrick on a payphone. Dill tells him that it's okay that he killed that guy. Because sometimes you just have to do bad things. Weird, weird statement.
00:45:02
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Weird message to get from your video game, father. yeah I will say...
00:45:09
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Well, I don't know. what are you What would you say to your child in a situation like this? It's not the worst thing to, yeah. But in this, and yes. yeah I don't want to also disparage anyone who's in a bad situation or anyone who has done, like, I have empathy for people. It's just weird to do this in a movie.
00:45:29
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Yes, this is not real. To show this in a movie.
00:45:36
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Patrick promises to come and visit him in the video game someday. And then almost immediately he does. But I think it's, I think it's in his brain. Cause it seemed like he was sitting in a chair and it zoomed into the eye. And then it was the two of them in Plymouth. And I was like, I feel like he's just gone into his head now.
00:45:57
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I think he has a psychic connection with computers. It's possible. I mean, they don't know. I don't think you want to look too deeply at this one, frankly. No, I don't think you want to look at this one at all. This is not a movie that's worth watching.
00:46:13
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Well... no
00:46:17
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Well, take let's settle it. Final thoughts, five-star ratings. Greg, it sounds like you landed on the realm of being a Serenity fan. yeah Yeah. With your numbers. So I just thought that, so I sort of forgot about the beatings, but I feel like the worst beatings were the ones that were given to Frank you know, realistically, which I was pretty okay with. I thought this was stupid.
00:46:41
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I thought this was stupid in a deliriously kind of fun way. I thought the premise, well, it is dark was so outlandish in not handled in a good way at all that I completely disconnected from the actions. It was like,
00:46:56
Speaker
and i didn't I feel like I didn't watch a movie in which a child killed a man because he was abusing him. i felt like I watched a really dumb movie that doesn't understand what video games are. And I found that to be pretty enjoyable. i thought people were giving a lot of fun...
00:47:14
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ah performances despite the fact that i don't know what any of it was like watching Matthew McConaughey scream at the sky and then see this man boy show up and be like I'm here for a job it was like what in God's name who wrote this down why who looked at it and said yes let's green light it who said let me get McConaughey on like it it's so perplexing to me ah And I found that even though I knew where it was going, I still didn't really know where it was going to go.
00:47:45
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like I was like, so obviously he's going to kill the father. But I mean, like, but like how, what kind of new thing are they going to throw in there? so I just found it to be ah always keeping me guessing, despite the fact that I knew exactly where it was going the entire time. I'm going say watchability of four.
00:48:00
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And I'm going to say it was very weird. I thought this was a real bizarre little number. So we'll also say four. All right. Fair enough. Anna, what do you think? Watchability and weirdness.
00:48:11
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Ooh, I would give this, honestly, i would give this a watchability of about three. It is, you know you know, the sound of the picture are all good. That sort of thing. Yeah. It's proficient. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. Professionally made by capable Yeah, exactly. And,
00:48:30
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yeah exactly in um So like Greg said, it is one of those movies where what makes it watchable is not... It's not what's happening on screen, but thinking of it coming together and that just... that feeling of bafflement.
00:48:52
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um And as for weirdness... Well, I also, yeah, ah that i that whole quote you read, Chris, back during context about all the things that it was that made it dead on arrival. Like, that is weird to try in a movie. um So I'm going to give it a four.
00:49:19
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Okay. I was much less generous than you guys. I gave it one star for watchability. I thought everyone in this movie was very miserable and like that. Oh yeah. Misery permeated it in a way that I found to be very, just not fun to watch.
00:49:35
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I also think that there's sort of no reason to watch this movie unless you know what the central conceit is. And once you know what the central conceit is, there's also no reason to watch this movie. Yeah.
00:49:50
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Like, I don't think there's, I do not, I think there's absolutely no sincere way to, and to engage with this film. And I think, no, uh, for weirdness, I gave it two stars in that. I think that the concept was very strange, but it was executed in the least interesting way possible.
00:50:08
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Uh, the weirder thing to me than the entire movie was the idea of a story driven open world fishing game where the final boss is a tuna named justice. That sounds incredible. Yeah.
00:50:20
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So what was your number for watchability? I don't... ah One star. Okay, okay. I assumed it was low, but I, yeah. Yeah, no, i it was just like too joyless for me. If anybody in this movie looked like they were having fun, i would have felt different, I think.
00:50:35
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I wanted to add, because I forgot to say, ah that I feel like this movie is very consciously trying to be a knockoff Christopher Dolan.
00:50:46
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um You know, you talked about them being an interstellar But like, yeah you know, it's high concept it's It's serious It's about fathers and children And there's like, you know, he's even done some neo-noir stuff So ah it honestly, unfortunately, maybe Depending on your perspective Gave me new respect for Christopher Nolan Because there is a trick to doing that At all well, at all watchables
00:51:18
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Well, with that, that was what we thought about this movie. Do you guys want to hear some rave reviews of Serenity? Yes.
00:51:30
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Good, because I found some. Great.
00:52:09
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Review, review. La, la, la, la. All right, I got three reviews here. All these came from Amazon.com.
00:52:21
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All them five-star reviews of the DVD of Serenity. First one from Jimmy Can Do. Five stars, one of the most underrated Hollywood films ever.
00:52:36
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I'm so glad I watched Serenity twice. Insane statement.
00:52:44
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It's truly one of the most underrated Hollywood movies ever. I really like Matthew McConaughey and my favorite film with him is Lincoln lawyer. Okay. That's an interesting thing to bring up.
00:52:58
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That is, or was until I saw this film serenity, all things considered. This is one of his finest.
00:53:11
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And I'm not that big a fan of Anne Hathaway, but in Serenity, she really comes through. Weird state. That's very intriguing. What's wrong with you, sir?
00:53:22
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Very weird thing to say. ah She learned from those long gone actresses as tough women of the old 1940s and 1950s film noir, the femme fatales.
00:53:37
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But she adds her own take to it. She has to play tough, then sexy, and then vulnerable, and finally desperate. She does a great job. And the director, Stephen Knight, knows how to make a movie.
00:53:50
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He's one of the best today. Mr. Knight gets it. And blah, blah. That one goes on. these All these ones for are pretty long, so I'm going them off at some point.
00:54:03
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Review number two. Five stars. Not your average get rid of the evil husband movie.
00:54:13
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Yeah. No, that's true. This is a great production with a great cast. Many times I forgot it was McConaughey or Hathaway who were playing these roles.
00:54:27
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They transformed so well into their characters that it was no longer about the actor. A few great production companies involved great direction and great cinema make this movie unforgettable.
00:54:38
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Great production companies? What I liked about this movie was the cinema. Yeah.
00:54:49
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Last one. This one from rocking mama.
00:54:54
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Five stars. Be prepared for something unexpected yet exceptional and perspective changing. no This film is what the art of filmmaking is all about.
00:55:12
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It reminds me of the show lost and that you didn't exactly know where the reality level existed and what you did. It was sure to draw mixed reviews.
00:55:23
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Those who didn't get it or couldn't appreciate it at that moment because they were expecting something else. And those who did get it and were left thinking about it for days and days.
00:55:33
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What if it was in a video game? Days and days. Days and days. Neither of those reactions is wrong. I truly believe you relate to films like this only if the timing is right in your own life.
00:55:49
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I hope I'm never in the place where I'm like, Serenity is hitting so hard.
00:55:55
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We are initially drawn into a world that is seemingly normal and a perfect setup for an actor like Matthew McConaughey. He plays his part as if the fabric of this place was woven just for him.
00:56:10
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Anne Hathaway's role was thrown from every single stereotype possible, and she nailed it, which gave us the reason to believe that things were not as they seemed. The initial world we find ourselves in when starting this movie is one place, but where we end up is something wholly different.
00:56:30
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I'd like to focus on the latter, and that means a spoiler alert.
00:56:37
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This is a world built by a boy who lost his father and desperately seeks connection and protection. In his real life, his suffering mother is in an abusive relationship and he feels the guilt and responsibility to protect her.
00:56:51
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We see his virtual father, who died in a war in real life when he was young, have sexual relationships, issues with alcohol, issues with money. All very grown-up situations that most parents choose to believe their 13-year-old kids are not concerned with. Yet this boy has created an entire world with these aspects being the normal day to day.
00:57:14
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Turns out folks, our kids see and feel everything. you They just may see and feel and react to it differently than we would expect. I usually think of myself as a good mom, but I am human.
00:57:30
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And I know that there are things I do today where I have no idea what impact my actions or words may have on their future actions or belief. I think, quote, good, unquote, parents are good because they are concerned with that in the first place.
00:57:46
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What I loved about this film, it's different, unexpected. The symbolism is epic. It makes you think. The filming is gorgeous and raw and real.
00:58:01
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Hmm.
00:58:03
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Well, it takes all times to make a world. You said it. My goodness. This lady should try watching an actual movie. i I have to say, ah sometimes I like look at Reddit to see, or I look for reactions to these films.
00:58:19
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And I was looking for this one, and there was someone that was like, of course the movie was horny. like I was super horny when I was young. It's like, that doesn't mean you should turn it into a movie. Yeah.
00:58:30
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Just because it's real doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be good on screen. if Yeah. I don't want to think about a 13 year old thinking about his parents having sex. yeah I don't.
00:58:42
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Yeah. Like it. Yeah. i'm sure that's the parents It's the parents that make it weird, not the horniness. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And even then, it's like if someone did, and I'm sure some kids do, even if it's just thinking about and being like, ugh.
00:58:59
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But it's like we still don't need to explore that in cinema, necessarily. Yeah. I don't know what we're gaining. Yeah. Not a lot. We're not gaining a lot. No.
00:59:11
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No. But we are. ready for a game do you guys want to play a little guess the title yes yes
00:59:30
Speaker
let me tell you about this brand new game where you guess the movie's name You just tell me what the title is prove you know about showbiz.
00:59:45
Speaker
Guess the title. Whippa, whippa, whippa, whippa. Guess the title. Gooby, gooby, gooby, gooby. Guess the title. Guess the title.
00:59:56
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Come on, honey. the title. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:08
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So what we're going to do, something a little bit different this week. Ooh. If people saw that we were doing Serenity, they might have thought that we were doing Serenity 2005. So what I've done is I've gone and I've found a bunch of films that have the same title as another film, but they're not remakes.
01:00:24
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Okay. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you the description of both films, and I want you to buzz in and tell me the title. I'm not going to give you a list of choices. That's going to be the third part. This is interesting. Okay.
01:00:37
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So we'll see how it goes. If it turns out that you need clues, I can start throwing out some clues. but Okay. we'll Yeah. We'll see how she goes. And some of these are going to be easier than others. I'll also tell you.
01:00:50
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Question number one. Two streetwise Chicago cops played by Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines have to shake off some rust after returning from a Key West vacation to pursue a drug dealer who nearly killed them in the past.
01:01:06
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Or... a low-ranking thug played by Paul Walker is entrusted by his crime boss to dispose of a gun that was used to kill some cops. But then things get out of control when the gun winds up in the wrong hands.
01:01:19
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What was that? What were those movies called?
01:01:25
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Anna. Anna? Beretta.
01:01:32
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I'm sorry. That wasn't Beretta. Oh...
01:01:39
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I want to say like night moves, but that doesn't necessarily make any sense, but we'll go with that, I guess. A strong guess. That was running scared. ah Those moves are called running scared. Makes sense.
01:01:53
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All right. Plenty game left to play. Question number two. A Japanese school girl and six of her friends travel to her aunt's country house, which turns out to be haunted.
01:02:04
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Or troubled writer moves into a haunted house he inherited from his aunt in this horror comedy starring William Catt and George Wendt. Anna. Anna? That's house.
01:02:18
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You got it. You're on the board, my love. Yeah. It's a great movie. At least the first. I don't know the second one, but the first one was really great. The second one's fun. Is it? Yeah, it's not bad. It's okay. it's it' It's a fun little spooky movie.
01:02:31
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this is Question number three. Racial tensions collide in a collection of intertwined stories involving residents of Los Angeles. Or a car crash victim suddenly finds himself aroused by car crashes.
01:02:47
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Greg. Greg? Crash. That's correct. It's all tied up.
01:02:56
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Question number three.
01:02:59
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After a tragic accident with a chemical truck on his way to be executed, the titular character returns from the dead as a murderous snowman. Or, a father who can't keep his promises is killed in a car wreck.
01:03:11
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One year later, he gets a chance to come back and make things right in the form of a sentient snowman. Anna. Anna? Jack Frost?
01:03:23
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Correct. Those are both Jack Frost's. I watched the Michael Keaton one recently, and it's pretty great. Okay. Okay. I've heard that it's worth the examiner. It's a good time.
01:03:37
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Question number five. In a showdown of man versus machine, Martin plunges into a chaotic nightmare as he tries to save his mind from a megalomaniacal corporation in a film that features both Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton.
01:03:56
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Or a young man's mother is bitten by a Sumatran rat monkey. She gets sick, dies, comes back to life, and starts killing and eating the neighbors in this New Zealand horror classic.
01:04:11
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Oh.
01:04:13
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Greg? Greg? is it brain dead? You've got it, Greg. Nice. It's all tied up again. We've got a real dilly of a game.
01:04:27
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Question number six. A federal investigator tracks down a murderous gold digging widow or Natasha Romanoff confronts her dark and mysterious past in this late era MCU movie.
01:04:42
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Anna. Anna. Black widow. Correct. Correct.
01:04:51
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Question number seven. A young man must stop the Lord of Darkness from destroying daylight in this 1980s Ridley Scott fantasy or identical twin gangsters roal Ronald and Reginald Cray, both played by Tom Hardy, terrorized London in the 1960s.
01:05:10
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Oh, Anna. Anna. Legend. You got it, Anna. You knew the Tom Hardy one?
01:05:21
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Okay, yeah, because I did not. I knew the Ridley Scott one, but I was just like, oh, I didn't. This is very interesting to learn of the other movie that you aren't aware of if you aren't aware of it. There's also one called that that's that. Interesting.
01:05:34
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Yeah, who knew?
01:05:37
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Question number eight. A retired detective accepts a simple job, unaware that will tear open old, forgotten, deadly wounds in this thriller starring Paul Newman, Susan Sarandon, and Gene Hackman.
01:05:53
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Or, Bella Swan moves to the Pacific Northwest and falls in love with a teenage vampire. greg okay Greg. in Twilight. You're correct. Both those movies are called Twilight.
01:06:11
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I had forgotten all about the Paul Newman one for obvious reasons. Oh, me too.
01:06:18
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Last one. Greg, you got a chance to tie it up here. Okay.
01:06:24
Speaker
Two sisters decide to throw one last house party before their parents sell their family home in this Tina Fey, Amy Poehler two-hander. Or... A small time reporter tries to convince the police that she saw a murder in the apartment across from hers in this De Palma thriller starring Margot Kidder.
01:06:43
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Oh.
01:06:48
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My one clue, Margot Kidder is insanely hot in this movie. That's not going to help me. that's lot.
01:06:58
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I'm going to put five seconds on the clock.
01:07:03
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Anna. Anna? Last Party.
01:07:09
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I'm sorry. It wasn't Last Party. ah Just give the win to Anna. All right. You've got it, my love. it was Sisters.
01:07:19
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Oh, that seems like something we should have been able to think of. and but It seemed like a natural guess, but yeah it was Sisters. It's a great movie. I really recommend it. Very quickly, what is a two-hander?
01:07:31
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It means they're both sort of co-stars. Okay, so okay. Equal leads. It's a term I hear often or often enough and like, what are they talking about? So thank you. My pleasure. Uh-oh.
01:07:43
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01:07:51
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01:08:07
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01:08:13
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That's right. Congratulations to all the nominees. It's the Batty Awards. The awards that we give out to all those wonderful people and moments that make a bad movie so wonderfully good.
01:08:27
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Greg, do you have a Batty Award? I do. This is for one of my favorite stupid movie moves. And even so I'm not saying it's a move made by stupid movies. I'm saying it is a stupid move that is made by movies sometimes, even good ones. But i it tickles me every time where there's a song playing in the soundtrack and then the character goes into a place. And that's playing on the radio now, usually with the radio in the foreground.
01:08:53
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I always love when that happens. It's yeah so stupid. It's so stupid. But every time I'm like, e and I remember this song being really bad. I don't remember what it was, but I just remember being like, this is not a good song.
01:09:09
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And there it was on the radio. Such is live. Yeah. Anna, do you have a batting award? ah Yeah, I'm going to give it to, let's let's call it, it's the third time this happened, so it's really a pattern in these movies, which is somebody showing up with...
01:09:30
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hair that's so unlike their usual hair that it's it's unsettling. yeah And we had, you know, brunette Steve Martin in Mixed Nuts, and we had Zooey Deschanel without her bangs in The Good Girl. yeah in that Well, in this movie, Anne Hathaway is blonde, and it's very upsetting. It's very bad, too. Very, yeah. Yeah, it's a very bad...
01:09:57
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Bleach job.
01:10:06
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ah it is like kind of transfixing it's transfixingly poor Well, I'm going to give my baddie award to my favorite mini game, which is obviously the one that when your cash reserves get low enough, a cat will spawn somewhere on the map. And can bring it to the widow woman and have sex with her for money.
01:10:27
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Yeah. Fantastic game mechanic. And it's Diane Lane 2, which is great. so Yeah. Yeah. Everybody wins. And listeners, we hope that you feel like a big winner. Mm hmm. listening to our episode this week.
01:10:41
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01:10:58
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And if you want to come back next week, we are going to have Mr. Mark Hensley returning to the show ah to talk about ah Beyond the Darkness, if I remember correctly. That sounds right.
01:11:13
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Yes. Beyond the Darkness with Mark Hensley. I'm psyched. And it's an Italian movie. Italian movies are always so much fun. Yeah. So we hope that you'll be there. And until next week, be good and goodbye.
01:11:28
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Good night. Bye.
01:11:57
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That you would, that you could And you know that you should Yes, you know that you should be good