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Episode 99: Nurse 3D featuring Róan Robles
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Róan Robles, friend of the show, has us in the operating theater and on the table for Nurse 3D. This Doug Aarniokoski directed Horror film stars Paz de la Huerta as a nurse who falls into an obsession with mentee Katrina Bowden while at the same time killing as many cheating men as she can. Corbin Blue, Judd Nelson, Neicy Nash, and Boris Kodjoe are there as well, but it’s hard to take your eyes off of Paz as she’s nearly always bottomless and/or covered in blood and making some of the most bold and bizarre choices an actor can make. It’s also sort of electric? At times, at least. Truly indelible, this one sticks in the mind and our guest has some very insightful commentary to boot. It’s a bloody, good time today, so tune in!
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Introduction to the Podcast
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That you would, if you could And you know that you should Yes, you know that you should
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcast. The only podcast that's brave enough to ask the question, if this movie is so bad, why do you like it so much?
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We're your hosts. I'm obviously a sexy maniac. Yeah, I must be the Abigail of the show. I'm Chris Anderson. Definitely. And that, of course, is the best man I've ever known. So he must be the Jared of the show.
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That's Greg Bossy. Hello. How are you doing tonight, Greg? I am recovering a little bit from a cold, so I do apologize for my voice if anyone can hear that. But I'm doing all right, and I'm excited to talk about this one.
00:01:23
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Yes, this was a fascinating film. Very fascinating. Unfortunately, we will not be getting the opinion of my extreme object of desire and fascination, the Danny of the show. My lovely wife, Anna, also feeling under the weather, could not soldier through.
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But we do have with us a very special guest.
Introduction to 'Nurse 3D'
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I gotta call him a boss, so he must be our boss, the Dr. Robert Morris of the show. It's Roan Robles.
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How you doing, Roan? I am doing great. Thank you so much for having me and entertaining this film choice. Oh, my God. Thank you for bringing this one to us. I prefer to think of myself as a Regina, played by the incredible Nancy Nash.
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Yeah, she's fantastic. Yes, you'll be a fantastic, sassy friend. A wonderful choice. Well, listeners, we are, of course, talking about the film Nurse 3D. If you haven't seen Nurse 3D, here's just a brief summary of the film to hold in your mind as the show continues.
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A serial murdering nurse targets philanderers and also stalks her former mentee who she seems to be in love with or something.
Roan Robles' Personal Connection
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I think you got it. I mean, it's pretty straightforward. That's that's pretty nice about it. there's not a lot of There's nothing really hidden in this one. No, it's it's pleasures are plain to the eye.
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Leadbearer. Now, Rowan, do you remember how you came across Nurse 3D? You came to us with this one. You had this one right from the jump. This seemed like a go-to for you. ah I think since I started getting really serious about watching movies more, I've always been a lifelong movie watcher. My family would rent out the blockbuster. We were always watching movies. But I came to this one as an adult, more than a decade after it had come out, just after I had had some bad medical problems myself.
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And I think there was something relieving and funny and engaging about how bad the hospital in this movie is. And how bad the nurses are. Like what a horrifying situation it is.
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Um, That combined with the sort of surreal acting that we get to enjoy from Paz de la Huerta really hooked me. The review that I saw on Letterboxd, I wish I could find it now, I hope it wasn't deleted, was someone saying that they truly believe someday people might look back on this and say Paz de la Huerta was inventing a new form of acting.
3D Elements and Directorial Career
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in this movie and that really intrigued me and I have to say now that I've watched it four times in two years I have to agree i think she's on to she's certainly unforgettable in this film that's very true Greg had you seen this one before? I had no idea what this was I was like nurse 3D does that mean it's in 3D or is this just like the third nurse is there something i'm missing here?
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I had no idea what this was. It was definitely a reference to it being a three-dimensional. That is important for context. That much became clear. Yeah. I did now watch it in 3d. Have either of you seen it in 3d?
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No, I need to find a way to, i don't even know how you would go about that these days. Yeah. that might not be possible anymore. That would certainly be a shame. I think you'd have to buy one of the old 3d TVs that they had and get a 3d physical copy and put it in a physical player and watch it on a 3d TV.
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Yeah. Could you work out a 3d physical release? This is also a true that's hard to tell, but I feel like I saw a thing that was like nurse 2d 3d, which makes me think that maybe did get a 3d release.
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I think it did went theatrically. of course. But I meant like the physical copy was like Nurse 2D, 3D, which made me think maybe the 3D version is on it. I did ah notice something when I was researching this movie, getting ready for today. And it's that um Katrina Bowden, who plays Danny... was in a 3D movie the prior year called Piranha 3DD. 3DD.
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three double d yes i don't know how they pronounce it. and That's 3DD. The editor, andrea Andrew Kutz, also edited for Saw 3D in the same year. So we were in like a 3D era in 2012, 2013. This is refreshing for me mentally.
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And it we should mention that last week's episode was Piranha So ah listeners, if you haven't seen or and if you haven't listened to that, this is our second part of our bloody nudity filled extravaganza.
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ah It ah was total happenstance and
Production Challenges and Comparisons
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unplanned. but I love when that happens. Yeah. and it's There was something in the zeitgeist in this era for three d nudity.
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And it's understandable. I had not seen Nurse 3D before, and I got to say I was very pleasantly surprised. It was ah firing on all cylinders. Oh, yeah.
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Do you guys want to hear what I found out about the making of Nurse 3D? Absolutely. All right, then let's play that context of bumper.
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I wish I had some context about the background of the film. Script director, actors on set. What was going on on screen? I want to hear some details.
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Gossips can do all that shit. Can't imagine all the time.
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So Nurse 3D came out February 7th, 2014. Just in time for Valentine's Day. Perfect. This would be a great Valentine's Day movie.
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Honestly. ah Director Doug Arneokoski. Only one tagline on this one. Oh, good.
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I guess. Your pain is her pleasure. Yeah. Absolutely. Hmm.
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So today, these days, Doug Arneokoski is probably best known for being the executive producer of Star Trek Picard.
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But it sure did take him a long time to get to there.
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He started working in the late 80s as a production assistant on the movie Turner and Hooch. uh, amongst others. And, uh, he soon worked his way up to working as first assistant director for full moon in the band family, listeners of your band family fans, check out our episode about evil bong classic episode.
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So he started off working as an assistant director on, uh, Dr. Mordred in 1992, which was co-directed by Albert and Charles band.
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And must've done a good job because he got steady work from the band family throughout the early nineties, working on movies like trancers part three and doll man versus demonic toys, puppet master five solid assistant director resume.
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By 1995,
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He started to branch out work with new people, including Robert Rodriguez in the 1995 anthology film Four Rooms. Okay.
Critical Reception and Character Analysis
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Always love Robert Rodriguez on the show. Big salute to Robert Rodriguez.
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The two of them must have hit it off because Arne Okoski would go on to work as first assistant director on From Dusk Till Dawn, The Faculty, Spy Kids, and Once Upon a Time in Mexico.
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Wow. So when you're thinking of like mentors that you could have for just how to be a guy that can make a movie and get it across the finish line, the band family and Robert Rodriguez have to be two of the best you could find.
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Yeah. Make shoestrings look good. Yes. Deliver something that is watchable on a budget. This is how you do it. But, uh,
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Eventually, he gets a shot at directing a feature film of his own. And that movie was Highlander Endgame, the fourth Highlander movie, the one that crossed over with the TV series where Aaron Paul got written into the main Highlander timeline. like Now they're both canon.
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ah It lost about $10 million dollars at the box office. Obviously, that was going to happen. No one wants to see that. Set the poor man up for failure. You ever watch any that Highlander TV series?
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No. Yeah, i've had to caption some of it, so hopefully with some of it. And also, we had a state in Chicago with family. We were watching an episode of it, and then they cut off a guy's head, and me and my dad were like, what just happened?
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And my uncle was like, oh, yeah, that's Highlander. There can be only one. we're like, what?
00:11:31
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My first girlfriend, Sharon Cunningham, check out our episode Powder featuring my first girlfriend, Sharon Cunningham. Her mom had the hugest crush on Highlander from the TV series. Like she was in the Highlander fandom.
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She, I'm pretty sure was familiar with Highlander fan fiction in like the late 80s. Wow. The dark days of fandom. Mm-hmm. So after the failure of Highlander Endgame, Arnie Okoski got knocked down to the assistant chair for most of the aughts.
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Towards the end of the decade, before finally transitioning to producing and directing television, where he really found his niche.
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But he would still direct three more feature films. One is called Animals, which he released under a pseudonym, Arnold Cassius, ah another one called The Day, which I think was a sci-fi movie, and Nurse 3D.
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Those were his last three features. I watched The Animals over the weekend, or it might just be called Animals. I can't quite remember. Who's Animals? My God, it was awful.
00:12:48
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Oh, no. really, really cheap looking. Like it looked like it was shot on like a prosumer camera and it starred the guy that played Riley on Buffy the vampire slayer.
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And the villain was Naveen Andrews from lost. Yeah. Okay. and it was about like werewolves that were when they were in wolf form, they were like ectoplasm.
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Oh, it was bad. It was really bad. ah But it does feature a lot of dudes. But if you want to see either Naveen Andrews or the guy that played Riley on Buffy the Vampire Slayer's butts. OK.
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Always worth highlighting. Yeah. Yeah. and and And it shows that Arnie Okoski is comfortable with nudity. yeah he yeah This is definitely something that he comes by naturally. He didn't force it for Nurse 3D. Yeah.
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Now, Nurse was not Arnie Okoski's original idea. It started off as a spec script written by David Lowery and was supposed to be a throwback to the erotic thrillers of the ninety s And you can see those sort of bones in it, but it doesn't structure at all. Like there's no slow burn to it. Like at the very first time you meet nurse, you're like, that lady is deranged.
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Yeah. There's no, like you never ever seen her. Like, I think there's something weird about this nurse. It's actually kind of funny. This nurse, like, no, that's a psycho.
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Uh, So ah when Arnie Okoski was hired on, he rewrote it and he took it to heart when Lionsgate, the production company, told them that they wanted more blood. He was like, yeah, you got it.
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Okay. More blood. So that explains a lot of your finale, I think. Sure. Yeah, I think so. It makes sense.
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So ah the shoot was not without its problems. At one point, Paz de la Huerta got hit by an ambulance and Yes, I read that.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Unprofessional.
00:15:07
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Now, unlike last week's Piranha 3D, which was not shot with 3D cameras, all that the 3D was done in post, ah this was shot with 3D cameras, and that requires a lot of extra time and effort.
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Okay. Unfortunately, that time and effort was not appreciated by distributors, and And Nurse languished on the shelves for several years until it finally got distribution two years after it was finished.
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that's That's pretty crazy. Two whole years. Yeah. yeah Yeah. That's not a good sign normally for, you know, ah mass market film. too much 3d competition no yeah it's true it's true the novelty was starting to wear her off maybe that's why it's suffered and not nothing else everything else was normal no everything was fine otherwise i can't imagine seeing this in 3d oh my god that would be so off-putting in 3d in a theater with other people i think is such a unique sounding yeah yeah
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yes Also, I don't think I've ever had 3D work for me. Anytime I put on 3D glasses, i'm just like I just get a headache and it looks like garbage. Interesting. I know that that can happen.
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But also the only 3D I've ever tried is 3D comic books in the red and blue printing. The red and blue thing is awful. i was yeah sometimes I saw Mad Max Fury Road a lot and i would go to like the cheapest show in the morning and often it was 3D. I've seen it in 3D a couple of times. it's pretty enjoyable, actually.
00:16:42
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Okay. Maybe I'll give it another shot one of these days. Now, it was dumped into theaters during early February, which is a ah traditional dumping ground for movie distributors.
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Yeah. And as a final indignity, it became the first film ever produced by a major studio that had a theatrical and digital release on the same day.
Release Strategy and Impact
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That's fascinating.
00:17:11
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Yeah. It's an interesting little cliff note, right? Yeah. What sort of digital platforms did they even have back in 2013? Only Netflix? only i mean, they had Netflix.
00:17:22
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Okay. Perhaps related to this fact, Nurse three d only made $700,000 back on its $10 million dollars budget. Oh, wow.
00:17:34
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Yeah, and none of that money was me, and I love this movie. Yeah. I didn't hear about it for another 10 years. Boy, to be there opening night. Yeah. 3D glasses on.
00:17:47
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Yeah, I am in the seat. Now, ah unfortunately, somehow, this was not the end of Nurse 3D's woes. In 2015, Paz de la Huerta sued the producers ah not for getting hit by a car. She already got that settled.
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ah But for infringing on her rights and damaging her career. It seems that the narration in this film was not done by De La Huerta, but a sound alike.
00:18:18
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Oh. And if you know that while you're watching it, you can hear the difference for sure. Oh, that would make things make more sense.
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She claimed that the sound-alikes flat, monotone performance did irreparable damage to her career, and so she sued for $55 million. dollars The lawsuit was not successful, presumably because not enough people saw a Nurse for it to really impact her career either way.
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And also, I'm going to be honest, in my opinion, I thought the narrator was a better actor. I did too. I can't agree with you there. i could understand being a little unsettled. I'll have more to say on that fact later, now that I know what I know.
00:19:10
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So, ah other horror movies of 2014. What else could you see if you were a Fright fan? You got The Babadook. Never seen that. Queer icon The Babadook.
00:19:24
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I should check that never watched it. Uh, it's, you know, it's one of those horror movies about trauma. I hate that. Yeah. Unlike nurse 3d, which is a horror movie about nothing. No, it's a horror movie about blood and tits and 3d.
00:19:40
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That's right. And, and full frontal. Well, never full strangely. Anyway, we'll get to that too. Mr. Teaser, put a pin in it. Uh, you also got Annabelle, the scary doll.
00:19:52
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Don't remember that. In real life, Annabelle was just a raggedy Ann, but they had to make it look like a creepier doll for the movie. yeah And probably the raggedy Ann people would you know not approve.
00:20:08
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You got Tusk, the Kevin Smith movie where Justin Long becomes a walrus. I want to see that. That's been on my list. Yeah, I've never seen it. I've heard good things.
00:20:18
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I'm curious. You got It Follows. That's a great one. I've heard that one's good. It's very good. and You got one of the better paranormal activities, is paranormal activity, the marked ones.
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Okay.
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And you got the purge anarchy. Oh, the less I've only seen the first, the purge. I keep on thinking like, oh, I should check out the rest of the purge, but I'm never motivated enough.
00:20:49
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I've never seen any of them. The first purge has one of the most catastrophic wigs in it I've ever seen in a movie. Lena Headey is wearing a terrible wig. and That sounds pretty good. It's got that going for it. It's a home invasion movie. If you like a home invasion movie, it's not bad.
00:21:08
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But i I do like that they take the concept and take it in other directions. They don't just keep making more home invasion movies.
00:21:19
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Well, with that, are you guys ready to talk about the plot of the feature length film Nurse three d the three dimensional nurse? Yes. I wanted to toss out one last thing, which was I looked up other movies Lionsgate released in this same year sort of see what the vibe was. Yeah. What else do they have on the headliner for that year was Hunger Games 2.
00:21:39
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oh So I think that really contextualizes like they had their money from Hunger Games one. They could probably just throw this in the slush pile and hope it gets forgotten. Yeah.
00:21:51
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Yeah. They probably picked it up for a song after it been sitting on the shelf for two years. Yeah. And then just pumped it out. That's very funny. That's all I had.
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All right. Well, now that we've had our plate set, let's get that plot bumper.
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
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So we open on a bit of on-screen text explaining that a disproportionately large number of serial killers come from the medical profession. In case you thought this was going to be a movie about a nice nurse.
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No. No. So we cut to a beautiful woman wearing a very, very see-through dress in a nightclub bathroom.
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This is Abby, the titular nurse. And she starts dropping some absolutely wild narration. Listeners, I clipped this opening narration. I'm going to play it for you now because I think you need to hear it. And I think you need to know that this is what the narration is like in the film in general, because I think that's important to know.
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My name is Abigail Russell. I look like a slut, but don't be fooled.
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This is merely a disguise to lure the dangerous predators who walk among us.
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This is their jungle, their breeding ground. And tonight, i am on the hunt. These are the cheaters, the married, lying scum.
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They are like diseased cells, Cultured and alcoholic Petri dishes that destroy unsuspecting families and infect millions of innocent vaginas. There is no cure for the married cock.
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Only me. The nurse.
00:24:35
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So there's only the nurse. yeah okay Her persona. Her persona. Yes, she is leaning into being the murderous nurse 100%. She's loving it.
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So she lures a more than willing married man up to the roof of the club where she slices open his femoral artery while jacking him off before pushing him off the roof and onto to a wrought iron fence spike.
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ah sorry I want to mention something about this scene that takes me out. And it's that um she does this long, very useless monologue about he how he's going to die either way. And when she kicks him off the roof, there's this very funny like video game scream.
00:25:26
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oh there's a Wilhelm scream yeah it's not it's not a Wilhelm scream it's like a it so it reminded me of the Xbox game Run Like Hell it's like a sort of scream it's so funny it makes me laugh every fucking time and I then when he lands on the fence you get the wrought iron spike jutting up towards the camera you like yes 3D exploitation I love it yes And then they go into like an a pseudo animated sort of paper cut out giallo style sequence, which I find very fun. Yeah. I like this title sequence. It had a bunch of like pulp novel covers. Yeah.
00:26:05
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And you're like, okay, I know what this, this is referencing like print pornography. Okay. I know what this is. So we then cut to the hospital where Abby works all saints and we meet her former mentee, Danny Rogers, played by Katrina Rogers, Katrina Bowden, who is best known for playing Sari on 30 Rock.
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Yes, she also has a role in Tucker and Dale versus Evil. Yeah, and Piranha 3DD. three double d
00:26:40
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ah Now, ah we also meet the hospital's chief of staff, Dr. Morris, as played by Judd Nelson, as he welcomes the new nursing staff that is joining the hospital, which happens to include Danny.
00:26:55
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It's like some sort of induction ceremony or graduation from nursing school. I'm not really sure what this is. there's The head nurse is played by Kathleen Turner, who shows up literally only in that scene.
00:27:08
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Yes. I was expecting her to come back and then just. Yeah, no, no, done. So if you are a Kathleen Turner fan, she has her wonderful silky, deep voice in this. And i was really hoping for more of her. So sad not to see more of her.
00:27:23
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It was a shame. Afterwards, Abby tracks down Danny and her family and introduces herself to Danny's mom and her stepdad, Larry, and her boyfriend, Steve. I'm sorry. All these characters have very forgettable names. yeah mrs Just remember, Abby, crazy.
00:27:46
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Danny, normal. e Danny, normal. Abby, crazy. ah I'd also like to say that Steve is played by Corbin Blue. Yes, I was hoping you'd mention that. Yeah, at my job we have like the vinyl of the High School Musical soundtrack just like out somewhere. it was just somewhere. I just saw it like six days before watching this. I walked by, just thought to myself, what did Corbin Blue do after High School Musical? Yeah.
00:28:13
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found out And he did this. And he he insisted on getting his butt out for this movie. He wanted this role because he wanted to shed that high school musical persona. Oh, yeah. so no Oh, yeah. He does. i don't know if it helped him, but he certainly does shed that.
00:28:29
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That's not the only thing he sheds. Yeah. Sheds those dungarees. Mm-hmm. Get little BN. Yes. yes We actually get a lot of B in. Yeah, there's a lot of N in this. There's just a lot of nudity in this.
00:28:44
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Yeah, it's got that going for it. You can't take that away. ah but but but bu but but Steve. Yeah. So instantly we can see crazy Abby does not know how to interact with normal people.
00:28:59
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We see her meeting of the family and she seems very strange. Now at this point in the film, we have seen Abby talk to us through narration. We've seen her talk to married men that she's seducing. We've seen her talk to married men that she's killing. and We've seen her talking to normal people who she's trying to act normal around. These are sort of the four faces of Abby. So we now have the totality of Paz Del Huerta's performance out before us. I think now's a good time to talk about it.
00:29:28
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Sure. she is wild in this movie. She's, yeah, I don't know how to describe it, actually. It's very disaffected. It kind of reminds me of like nico in velvet underground a little bit okay okay sure ah she's yeah definitely going for like a very femme fatale vibe but there's a hint also more than a hint i'm gonna say of tommy wiseau yeah yeah yeah there's like that sort of dramatic slowness to how she delivers her lines yeah you feel like she feels like they're very impactful
00:30:11
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Yeah, there is sort of a vibe of someone who has gotten way too far by being crazy hot. Yes. And like yeah no one has ever said no to them because they are that hot.
00:30:24
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So there's a trend where people will talk about what it's like to like have autism as a hot person or have ADHD as a hot person and like the sort of stuff you can get away with. or like Also, you just sort of don't ever wind up learning because it never makes you learn them.
00:30:41
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yeah And no one takes the time to teach them to you. And I feel that I'm not saying that there was a lot of huge psychological work done in this movie or in the acting choices. But when I watch her, I feel like I see that gap where it's like.
00:30:56
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I could expect people to push back on her or just disregard her if she was less hot and if she was less using that.
00:31:06
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No, she definitely uses her attractiveness as a weapon in this film. And... And it's very difficult for me to separate the character from la Huerta.
00:31:21
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Yeah. You know what i mean? Yeah. Like if you told me she was just like this every day, i would believe you. I agree with you. I feel like it's so contextualized to what I like to call... um the sex assault hospital where they work.
00:31:37
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Sure, definitely big problems at the hospital. Thumbs down to the hospital. Yeah, because I know we're going to get into it in the summary, but it's just like this is a world where
00:31:49
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showing up, taking abuse, and distributing that abuse down is just sort of be made into the fabric. it's what You see it right away in the interactions with all the people. It's not hidden. It's not...
00:32:02
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covert, it's not subtle. And I think by making the whole hospital operate at that level, we kind of get ah an alternate reality space to play in, where she sort of becomes more normal in context. Sure. Yeah.
00:32:19
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I mean, i i wish... That the rest of the film was as heightened as she is. Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah. It feels often like she's in a different movie. Yeah.
00:32:31
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If this movie looked more surreal and if everyone else was bringing, or not even everyone else, but if more people were stepping it up to her level. Yeah. Yeah. The performance would make more sense. Yeah. I think we get a little of that around midway through the movie when Melanie Scrofano's character comes in, but I'll wait yeah to comment on that.
00:32:53
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Yes. ah Not, not everyone. Like it just, it doesn't come together in terms of tone. And that's something that we see so often on this movie and these sort of conflicting tones are, I think what always make a movie really interesting. yeah I was just going to say that her narration, this is the thing i was going to say about the narration. Like,
00:33:13
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When I was watching it, I was like, I understand the choices of the narrator. I understand Paz La Huerta thinking it was hers. Like, I understand her choices as a narrator. That makes sense.
00:33:24
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Her performance, I don't fully understand her choices, but I love every one of them and I'm glad she's doing them. I just don't really understand why she's choosing to do any of them or what she's hoping to achieve. But thank you that she did it.
00:33:40
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Yeah. ah Avoiding, again, crediting any sort of psychology in this movie. She has like sort of a maternal patterning happening with her and Danny, where Danny is supposed to be, you you are like me, she says multiple times, Danny reminds me of me. She's just like me when I was her age. When I was a mentor, this happened to me.
00:34:02
Speaker
And she is not able really to separate her impression of other people from herself once she has ascribed that to them. That's fair.
00:34:15
Speaker
All right. So the next day, after getting caught having a little quickie in the hospital storage room by Niecy Nash, Danny and Steve, ah they get a little bit of a fight about Steve wants a nice Danny to move in with him.
00:34:34
Speaker
And nice Danny is like, no, I don't want to I'm not ready. She has secret reasons. She pulls back. Yeah. We'll find out more later. Listeners get excited. Yeah.
00:34:46
Speaker
But they don't have too much time to talk about it because there's a car accident. And this is the first time that Danny has seen anybody this jacked up. And it really freaks her out.
00:34:57
Speaker
And Crazy Abby is like, she popped her cherry.
00:35:04
Speaker
Dr. Morris yells at her for getting shell shocked and, you know, looking like a deer in the headlights. Then we catch up her with her at the end of the day, using the hospital staff showers to take a shower with her panties on.
00:35:17
Speaker
Something that she does at least one more time in the film. that It's my understanding that can lead to a yeast infection. I feel like that's a bad idea. It is a bad idea. i wonder every time I see it why they do it, except that it must be to contrast with Paz de la Huerta. Because literally she shows up on screen at the start of the movie, no panties. You can see through her dress. She has no underwear on. She only has a bra. and Another weird detail that comes back later. yeah And we see Danny in the shower and she's supposed to be completely nude, but she's not. She's a little guarded. She has some underwear on. It's obviously not a movie that's against showing bare asses. So it's supposed to imply something about her, I think, if not just to contrast her.
00:36:03
Speaker
but that and And I think also there might be something ah more of Katrina Bowden's personal choices. being Yeah, maybe she was like, I'm not doing that. I think also to keep an R rating at some point, you have to be like, no more nudity in this one. We have enough.
00:36:20
Speaker
Yeah, this certainly goes, if there's a limit, this is pushing it. That's fair. i hadn't thought about that. Save all the nudity for her. Cause she does immediately come out, like come in and get undressed next to her. It's, it's a lot, it's a lot of nudity. I was actually kind of surprised. It was our, for so much nudity that I was like, at some point I bet someone's like, we need to, you have four seconds of that, make it three or, you know, these weird things you hear about.
00:36:44
Speaker
But I think also almost all of it is non-sexual nudity. It's yeah always just Abby hanging out. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's almost never anybody having sex. No.
00:36:57
Speaker
Now, Abby sees that Danny is upset and is about to comfort her, but instead, nice Danny gives Steve a call instead.
00:37:08
Speaker
Fortunately for Crazy Abby, Steve is a bad boyfriend and they get him to fight about whether or not they should move in together. So Crazy Abby takes this opportunity to strip nude in front of her in the locker room and invite her out for drinks.
00:37:23
Speaker
On their way out, they spy Nice Danny's stepfather, Larry, leaving a hotel with a younger woman. Nice Danny is very upset, but Crazy Abby is very excited to find another cheating cock to punish.
00:37:37
Speaker
That's what she loves. and The two of them then continue out to the club where crazy Abby slips, Danny, a roofie and then crazy Abby and some random single guy from the club, take her back to Abby's place. And effectively I'm going to say date rape her.
00:37:57
Speaker
Yeah. ah And while they're doing it, crazy Abby takes a bunch of pictures. This is a weird escalation here. It's escalates so quickly in this first 20 minutes, 25 minutes. It's nuts.
00:38:10
Speaker
It does. There's never a moment where you're like, it seems like Abby is kind of pushing boundaries with Danny. It's just instantly like, just date rapes her.
00:38:22
Speaker
It's 20 minutes of the movie. It's also taking the pictures. I was like, this is all, she's already setting up the blackmail scenario. Like this is really early for setting up the blackmail scenario. Yeah.
00:38:33
Speaker
I, I, It's part of what makes this movie really hard to recommend. Part of what makes it like also so such a bad movie, a favorite bad movie instead of a favorite good one. hello Yeah, it is a guilty pleasure for sure. yes I feel like for my reading of the movie.
00:38:55
Speaker
She is trying to continue to push Danny into a sort of mirror space for her. Danny is too good and normal. Danny needs to loosen up and do what I would do. And in order for her to do that, she needs to stop being so virginal. She needs to listen to me. So I need to get leverage on her. And I think that, again, we get later context. I don't want to spoil that too much. But when you see her excitement at Danny's father being caught cheating, this is another moment where she's projecting onto Danny. Yeah.
00:39:30
Speaker
Yeah. I bet you want someone to kill him. Yeah. No, it's true. every time Every time that Abby looks at Danny, she's like... All my life, search for a worthy adversary.
00:39:45
Speaker
yeah So the next day, when Danny wakes up, she doesn't remember anything about last night, and the single guy is gone. They talk about something over breakfast, but I have no idea what it was because the whole time Abby is just walking around in a bra with no panties for the entire scene.
00:40:05
Speaker
She's Winnie the pooing. She's Donald ducking. yeah And it's very off putting and like a very like big power move on her part. I feel like. Yeah. don't know.
00:40:20
Speaker
Danny just wants to pretend that last night never happened anyway. So she leaves and the movie continues. as crazy Abby leaves for work, she has a brief conversation with a nerdy, nice neighbor named Jared.
00:40:35
Speaker
One of my favorite characters. Jared's a great addition. You want to know what, what would Abby do if she knew a guy that was just nice? And obviously she would use him. Yes.
00:40:46
Speaker
Yes. So Abby, though, he definitely will not be killing him. So I guess that's good for Jared. ah Instead, she heads off to see her new therapist, who is none other than Larry, the stepfather. du du In her new shiny white dress. Yes. She wears some wild outfits in this. Yeah.
00:41:09
Speaker
I feel like if all the nurses were wearing latex, that would have put this more in like the genre where her performance would make sense. Do you know what I mean? that Like if you had some like Mario Bava lighting going on in this. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
00:41:26
Speaker
Now she tells Larry that she's a sex addict. And so he decides he should give her his cell number in case any psychological emergencies happen to pop up.
00:41:39
Speaker
You know, like all of a sudden she gets super horny. Right. Good doctor. Yeah. Yeah. You're on call 24 seven with an emergency case like this.
00:41:51
Speaker
Day or night, you call me if you ever start getting horny. That's right. I'm your own personal horny buddy. His office must be attached to the sex assault hospital. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's probably, yeah.
00:42:05
Speaker
He's a referring clinician. or would call Back at the hospital, Danny gets some flowers from Steve as an apology for the little spat they had earlier.
00:42:17
Speaker
ah The bad news is Steve still wants to move in together. Danny tells Abby that she's not ready because she doesn't want to leave her mom alone with Larry. she's like, I can't move out from my mom's house when she's still in there with Larry. And of course, Abby hears that and thinks, I should kill Larry. i have just the right treat for you.
00:42:39
Speaker
This is now two reasons to kill Larry. This is great for me. I want to ah interject at this point that ah having known a lot of very queer people growing up and being queer myself, um there is a point in bonding with other queer people when you are a young person.
00:42:59
Speaker
where the kindest thing anyone can do is say, I'll kill your parents for you. And they don't have to mean it. But like it sort of comes hand in hand with like not being accepted or parents not being a safe place. And ah so seeing that in a movie like this, that is explicitly queer, there is a queer attraction between them, at least unilaterally. At least one way, yeah. Yeah.
00:43:22
Speaker
And to see a character who is like a little emotionally stunted this way, um just sort of go, I know what you need. And like, just decide on her own to go do it makes me laugh a lot because I just I remember that phase of queer courtship and being young.
00:43:40
Speaker
And that's interesting. I never even considered approaching this as like a queer text with any sort of authenticity. I only ever saw this as like lesbian fetishization. Yeah. It's for titillation. So yeah, the idea that there's an authenticity to the queerness to it is, is really interesting to hear.
00:44:00
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, So, uh, so Abby gives Danny a key to her place and tells her to stop by any time living in the world of men proves to be too much to handle.
00:44:13
Speaker
Very understandable. Still, Abby realizes she'll never be able to lure Danny into whatever it is that she wants. It's not entirely clear, but it probably involves a lot of nudity. And I'm sure I'd like to watch it if they included in the film. Uh, but it's not going to happen until Larry's out of the way.
00:44:31
Speaker
as So she goes to Larry's office and steps out in front of his car as he's pulling out of the parking garage. Luckily for her, she literally has a body that can stop traffic. She tells him that she's having a crisis vis-a-vis her sex addiction.
00:44:47
Speaker
And he says he knows of a nearby dark alley where they can make whoopee.
00:44:53
Speaker
Once they are hidden from prying eyes, Abby injects him with a paralytic drug, hops out of the car, and throws it into reverse. It backs out of the alley and promptly gets T-boned by a sanitation truck. R.I.P. Larry.
00:45:07
Speaker
yeah Later that night, when Abby comes home, she went out for dinner after this. Oh, okay. Actually, that is one of my favorite parts I want to like shine light on. That is a good one. Yeah. When the, one of the witnesses to the crash is like, Oh my God, call 911. And she like pulls her bag from the wrecked back seat and takes her little tie that she tied him up with and calls like a restaurant to hear the specials instead of calling 911. So funny. Yeah. That's a nice moment. I got to give it up for that one.
00:45:41
Speaker
Um, So, yeah, she comes home from dinner and she finds nice Danny crying on her kitchen floor. So she's used the key. This is great. Everything's coming up, Abby.
00:45:53
Speaker
if ah But it's strange to see. It looks like Danny is actually upset about ah her stepfather's death.
00:46:04
Speaker
Which did only happen, I want to say, two hours ago, three hours ago, depending on how long it took her to get a table. Yeah. So Abby, feeling emboldened by the fact that Danny came to see her, offers her some wine up on her roof.
00:46:18
Speaker
But she ends up overplaying her hand, trying to get Danny to move in with her. And ah it really goes too far when she says that she hopes Larry lost his dick in the car crash.
00:46:30
Speaker
I never told you he was in a car crash, Danny replies. Dun, dun, dun. I love that reveal. And the shot of um Abby totally shattered and shocked and confused on the couch on the roof after Abby's like, or Danny's like, you're freaking me out. It's another one of my favorite shots. She is so...
00:46:56
Speaker
certain that her overtures are desired that this mirror goes both ways that this is going to be so positive for her once she just understands how happy she should be yeah yeah i like that because you sort of see that like abby is not just a predator to men She uses people and Danny is someone who she is trying to use and mold. And she has no sense of her as having any interiority, which makes her kind of as bad as any sort of man who would do any of these same things, date rape or corner her or frame her or all these other things.
00:47:37
Speaker
Oh yeah. she's Absolutely. From that possessive mindset.
00:47:43
Speaker
So we cut to Larry's funeral. Abby is talking to one detective Rogan. And when nice Danny asks her about it, she reveals that she was a patient of Larry's.
00:47:55
Speaker
Danny's like, that's strange. i I think my friend Abby's kind of strange. Something off about my good friend Abby. ah The next day at work, we meet a new character.
00:48:10
Speaker
Sure. Let's throw a new character. in them Let's do it. This one, it's Rachel. She works in the HR department. She's got a really great attitude. She goes around introducing herself, handing out little smiley face stickers.
00:48:24
Speaker
And when she meets Abby, she tells her that she's the spitting image of her childhood neighbor, Sarah. Another name to throw in the mix. I apologize. Remember, crazy Abby is Sarah. Crazy Abby, crazy Sarah. Same person.
00:48:39
Speaker
So Sarah was sent away after both of her parents died as a child. So it couldn't be her, could it? And he's like, oh, let's not talk about that. Let's talk about getting drinks after work with me, your normal friend, Abby. And ah so later that night, she does call Danny to invite her along.
00:49:04
Speaker
And Danny declines and Abby does not take rejection well.
00:49:11
Speaker
Later that night, Abby emails Steve the photos of the drugged out threesome. But Danny just happens to see them coming in somehow. He left his laptop open, one of those things that people do in movies.
00:49:26
Speaker
So she deletes them all before Steve can see. Later still, Abby and Rachel call Danny over Zoom together. Rachel's quite drunk at this point. Nabi gestures that she's going to inject her with some sort of toxic chemical before cutting off the call.
00:49:47
Speaker
Danny calls the cops on her, thinking that Rachel's about to be murdered. But of course, that's exactly what Abby wanted. Right into her trap. Right into her trap.
00:49:58
Speaker
Game, set, and match. This sequence of scenes brings in one of my favorite themes for this movie, which is technology as a source for horror and connectivity as a source for horror. The shots of her sort of lurking behind Rachel through the webcam and the way it like sort of jitters and ghosts as she moves around. i find it very effective. It's horrifying. There's like a helplessness in being an observer. There's the distance. Later, we find the um the aspect of not being believed becomes like very frightening. the yeah The thought that you can't believe what you're seeing or act on it with any sort of urgency. um And like,
00:50:46
Speaker
with the current state of deep fakes and all of that stuff, you know, sort of not really on the table or in the mind back in 2014. So it's also a little bit of a comfort to see a movie about this sort of thing that doesn't have those avenues for torture to really play with. It's very, it's, it is becoming old fashioned.
00:51:10
Speaker
It's true. It does have a certain quaintness to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The cops bring everyone in. And since Abby didn't actually murder Rachel, Danny ends up looking like kind of an asshole.
00:51:27
Speaker
Crazy Abby has flipped the cops to make them think that Danny is stalking her and not the other way around. The Darbo. Classic stuff.
00:51:38
Speaker
The old servant of two masters. No, that's not what it is. ah So they confront her ah in front of Steve with the sex pics and the fact that they have a receipt for her requisitioning the drug that was found in Larry's autopsy.
00:51:57
Speaker
Detective Logan asked why he shouldn't dig Larry up right now, presumably forgetting the fact that they already did an autopsy. So that would kind of be pointless. I think that part comes up because she starts...
00:52:12
Speaker
talking about this part also confuses me because she says she did a blood test on herself. Danny says she did a blood test on herself and found Rufalin. But when the cop asks, do you have any proof?
00:52:25
Speaker
she She doesn't say anything. So i'm like, what happened? Do you have the proof or not? She threw it away. yeah she just wanted to prove it to herself. Listen, there's a number of plot holes in this. So you just kind of paper over a lot of it. yeah It's such a weird one to me because if she just said she had evidence, why in the same line wouldn't she just say, yes, here it is? Like I said, I think she probably just threw that envelope away. She's like, well, at least now I know.
00:52:57
Speaker
to The next day, Danny goes to Dr. Morris about how her coworker is stalking her and maybe murdered her stepfather. Independently, Rachel just ah decides to investigate Sarah, her childhood neighbor.
00:53:15
Speaker
Dr. Morris tries to blackmail Abby into sex, only to get dismembered and killed for his trouble. yes Abby then also kills Rachel for getting too close to the truth.
00:53:27
Speaker
How about that? Yeah, that seems a little whack. this is when This is when Abby's going off the rails now. Really going nuts. just This lady's wacky.
00:53:38
Speaker
ah Rachel did tell Danny some of what she learned, however, at some point. ah So Danny goes to the mental institution where Sarah was sent to do some more investigating.
00:53:53
Speaker
It turns out that Sarah Price murdered her father after she caught him cheating and after her mother died soon after, she was sent to this mental institution.
00:54:05
Speaker
There she was taken in by a nurse named Abigail Russell. And Danny puts together that crazy Sarah stole Abigail Russell's identity.
00:54:16
Speaker
And that's who crazy Abby is. Boom. Dun, dun, dun. This is another scene I would definitely call quaint. It's so fun to see them actually go to the place and get shown around. There's a nice oh yeah half circle spiral staircase shot, I think, in this location that I would have gotten to if I was filming there.
00:54:39
Speaker
Just a nice looking building. yeah It's like a a high effort for such a weird little scene to have a whole new location and a new... Yeah, it's nice that it wasn't just Danny like Googling Sarah. Yeah, clicking around. yeah Or just like having her look through a file cabinet in a room and be like, birth certificate.
00:55:01
Speaker
but It's a fun interactive... sort of piece. And then we, of course, hear about why she must have such beef with men. And it p puts together also her weird focus on the families of the people affected by cheating men. yeah Yes, she does talk about the families being hurt by their actions very often.
00:55:26
Speaker
Big hang up for Abby. She seems okay with it as long as it's not discovered. Like, she talks to Larry and the guy she kills on the roof about how they should be grateful to her because by her killing them this way their family won't find out what philanderers there are like to her yeah there's an emotional death associated with i guess like the loss of a parental uh figure like a role model of some sort like she's very injured by that and i think she expects danny to be similarly affected
00:56:02
Speaker
Yes. Kind of trying to protect Danny again, as part of projecting on her as herself. But also, of course, if Danny is not having that same response, then all these men that she would have killed, that would have been that she thought she was saving somebody. They might not have had the same response. Exactly. She has to normalize her own behavior. Call into question her response. Yeah.
00:56:28
Speaker
Danny. tries to call Rachel to warn her about Abby, only to learn that Abby has hidden Rachel's phone in her car. She's setting her up to be framed for another murder.
00:56:40
Speaker
This Abby is diabolical.
00:56:45
Speaker
Abby has also now just finished having sex with Detective Rogan. So really, Abby has got all her bases covered. She is a formidable opponent. Mm-hmm.
00:56:57
Speaker
She calls Danny and strongly implies that she's going to kill Steve. So Danny rushes off to the hospital to find him. She finds Abby there and the two of them start a knock-down, drag-out cat fight.
00:57:12
Speaker
Other hospital staff tried to break it up, which gives Abby the chance to slip away and start causing mayhem throughout the hospital. I imagine this part of the script is a lot of what ah our new director, Arnie Okoski, if I remember correctly, added.
00:57:29
Speaker
Probably. yeah i It feels very tacked on. It's great. yeah yeah There's a ah moment earlier in the movie.
00:57:39
Speaker
when Abby is talking to Larry in his car. And she sort of looks at him askance from the side and her face is like this weird sort of mask.
00:57:50
Speaker
Her eyes are super lidded and puffy and her eyebrows are like disappeared behind her fringe. It's like a very strange sort of face that she gives him. And later during this sequence, there's a part where she's looking at Danny through like layers of like glass and vinyl and blood. And she has that same sort of like face, but she's covered in blood this time.
00:58:14
Speaker
And she's just standing completely still. And I love that moment so much. Yes. she She does cut a very striking image. she does have a very striking face. And she does have that sort of almost no eyebrows look, which is always like off-putting because it makes it much harder to read someone's face. So much emotion is conveyed through eyebrows. And she does have these very deep set eyes.
00:58:38
Speaker
And they will put her in like that sort of raccoon makeup that will make her like those eyes sink even further back. So she does. Yeah. almost have a constant Kubrick stare in like every scene that she's in.
00:58:52
Speaker
And it's right after she pulls like a bunch of like pumps and wires and IVs out of like innocent and like injured people in the hospital. And I love that. Oh yeah. That icing scene was so gnarly. It's so grotesque. And she's just lashing out because she's hurt. There's no more pretension about saving innocent children or mothers or punishing married men. She is hurt.
00:59:16
Speaker
She thinks killing in response to being hurt is the right answer. And it it feels almost like seeing injured people get killed for no reason is almost like seeing a dog get killed in a movie. Like it is sort of that visceral level of upsetting. It really was just like, oh Jesus.
00:59:36
Speaker
like so it To me, this felt like a misstep. Oh, really? To me, it reminded me of Freddy Got Fingered, which if it hasn't been of the movie podcast. Unfortunately, I'd love to talk Freddy Got Fingered. it is a great bad movie. And the scene, it's great whipping the baby around by the umbilical cord in the hospital. This scene reminded me of that.
00:59:59
Speaker
I could see to me. It just, You know, the rest of it, I keep on wanting it to be more bloody sexy fun. And this was just a little bit too intense for me. It didn't feel of a piece with the rest of it, but it was so disjointed the rest of it.
01:00:14
Speaker
You know, yeah like I was saying, in terms of tone, it's so all over the place. And this was just such like a, well you know, it was, it was less fun in that moment for me. I see.
01:00:25
Speaker
But, uh, so when Danny and Steve break into the ICU, she plays possum and then uses that opportunity to stab Steve in the neck.
01:00:37
Speaker
And of course, Danny has to stay around and be a nurse and treat Steve. We may or may not die. We never really find out Let's just say we never find out what actually happens to you, right? Not important. Who cares? Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:50
Speaker
We do find out that Abby escapes the hospital when she gets back to her apartment. Detective Logan is waiting outside and our detective Rogan rather.
01:01:02
Speaker
She pretends that he's a mugger, which seems kind of racist considering he's a big black dude, but I'll let it slide. But it does lure out Jared, the nice neighbor from before who beats detective Rogan to death with a baseball bat.
01:01:18
Speaker
She convinces him to get rid of the body to avoid being branded a cop killer before sauntering off into the night.
01:01:27
Speaker
Epilogue.
01:01:30
Speaker
Abby has now assumed the identity of friendly HR professional Rachel Adams at a new hospital. The end? Question mark?
01:01:41
Speaker
Will there be a nurse four d Will there be nurse HR professional? Yes, finally. There we go. yes finally there we go ah One thing about her taking on the identity of Rachel that makes me laugh a lot is um way back when Rachel first gets introduced, everyone else in the hospital is shown to have a really hard time adapting to her. Niecy Nash's character hates her, does not want to see her. Even Danny's like put off by her while being distracted by other things. And Abby is kind of the only one who meets her energy.
01:02:20
Speaker
Yes. She's literally the only person in the whole movie that Abby like shifts for. Even Dani, she's trying to pull Dani towards her all the time. But she kind of likes the control that Rachel has over people, including people that she doesn't feel like she has a lot of, that Dani, or Abby doesn't feel like she has a lot of influence over, which is women.
01:02:42
Speaker
e And so I feel like when she takes on this identity... and continues to start sort of trying to transform herself into Rachel. She's like, maybe this is the new me. And I find that kind of fun.
01:02:54
Speaker
It is fun to rediscover yourself later in life. Yeah. I told her friend I was watching this with, because midway through the movie, they were like, this movie is really bad. This movie is below me. And I was like, true. yeah but I guarantee you it will not end the way you're expecting it to at the end as you expect it to you at 40 minutes in. It's a completely different movie for the back half. And I think it's worth it for that, even though it's bad.
01:03:23
Speaker
Final thoughts, five star ratings. Watchability and weirdness. Greg, where did you land? Okay, so I had a pretty good time with this one. It's very entertaining. It's Paz La Huerta's choices are spectacular, even though I don't understand them.
01:03:39
Speaker
ah It's just trying to revel in nudity and blood and violence. It's lurid trash. It's a good time, but I do i do think it's got a problem. I think that the script is very, ah well, there's a lot of originality in the making of it, in the energy of it. I don't think there's a ton of originality in the script per se, because it seems like kind of a standard, I'm a serial killer narrating a movie. But what happens is then halfway through, it becomes the female stalker cliched script. And I feel like the energy gets weird sometimes. I feel like the first half of an hour is always topping itself. And then when we go to like trying to catch Abby and his she, Sarah, it kind of ground down for me a little bit. And I feel like it's always topping. It's, it's, it's getting more nude. It's getting more violent. It's getting more bloody.
01:04:34
Speaker
And then it's just like, will she get caught? And i was like, I don't really care if she gets, I mean, I don't, I kind of don't want her to get caught. I just want to see her kill more dudes. Like I'm not really that interested in the female obsession part of it as much.
01:04:47
Speaker
Not to poo poo it. And I just think that it would have been helpful if it had like stuck to one of those scripts as opposed to kind of two. But I did feel like it caught it back. It caught that kind of crackling cinematic energy it has in the beginning at the end.
01:05:02
Speaker
But I realize now that that's probably because they just added a lot of gore to the end to just do that, which felt more like it matched the tone of the first 20, 25 minutes. yeah I also felt like the the death of killing the guy in the car felt very inactive and everything else was very, it felt very passive, but every other kill very active. And so that confused me too, because it was like, she's the female spider, but it's like, she was kind of just the female, ah like Hannibal Lecter there for a while. So it's just weird to see It felt like it dialed it back for the middle point. Yeah, Poison felt like a step back. Yeah, and so I feel like that's its that's its issue realistically. if you This is a movie I think you're going to like if you like this kind of a movie. I'm going to give it three and a half for watchability, but I'm sure I will watch it again, and I feel like the watchability will go up now that I am aware of the change.
01:05:56
Speaker
yeah And then I will be able to see the weird moments. like Like, I won't be, like, shocked. It's like, oh, why wasn't that like this? I'd be like, oh, did you see what she did with her mouth there? That was weird. You know, like, and so it's I could see this definitely being a movie that really, really grows on you.
01:06:10
Speaker
Oh, for sure. And I definitely could see why people would love this. Like, I saw reviews, like, this is my favorite bad movie. It's like, that makes, it kind of makes sense. Like, it's definitely, like, if you want to see blood and tits, this is this is the movie for you.
01:06:24
Speaker
Um, it's on the tin and the, that lives up to the name. Uh, and I think for weirdness, it's relatively weird, but it's not too strange. So going to just do a three. Fair enough.
01:06:36
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Uh, I landed kind of almost flip flop on you, Greg. Okay. and I gave it ah three for watchability. I thought at times during that second act, it did get a little bit dull and a little bit like hard to follow at times. I spaced out every now and then.
01:06:50
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Uh, but De La Huerta was both beautiful and hypnotically strange. Anytime she was on screen, I was locked in. um I gave it four and a half awareness though, mostly because it's post torture porn, 3d erotic thriller where the femme fatale appears to have come from the moon.
01:07:10
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ah Just an incredibly, incredibly odd performance at the center of this film. And, and it is surrounded by a film that is also strange in its own right.
01:07:25
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but you definitely just at the middle have a sexy lady, Tommy Wiseau. And that's, yeah, that's notable. Yeah, it is. What about you, Ron? Where did you land in terms of watchability and weirdness?
01:07:38
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ah For me personally, this is a five star watchability. If I was going to recommend it to other people, though, I would dial it down. I'd have to probably give a little boilerplate warning for sexual assault and date rape and blackmail. Complicated issues that are not necessarily handled with kid gloves here. So for watchability for me, if I was going to recommend to other people ah for weirdness, it has a start, middle and end.
01:08:05
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It has some very fun and interesting choices. I have a special interest in like nudie cuties and ah sort of like burlesques in movies and things like that. So I think for people who are not as into those types of movies, this one's going to be a weird one. So I would also give it a four there.
01:08:23
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All right. Well, those were our ratings, listeners. But I found some more ratings and reviews. We're going to talk about them in the review review.
01:09:12
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Read you, read you.
01:09:22
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All right. So I went to good old IMDB and I found four reviews there towards the lower end of the scale. All the reviews that I found were like one star. All the lowest ones were like, Pazdella Huerta looks like a man. I'm like, what is wrong with you? And all the 10 stars were, you know, Pazdella Huerta is the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life. you know, so I had to like, those are all kind of boring. So I went for, we got some two stars here to start us off. First one, two stars out of 10 moronic.
01:09:57
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The movie is terrible in all aspects. The lead characters act as good as a plywood. Okay. Okay. You simply cannot have a nurse who walks provocatively and looks like she is suffering from flu as a vigilante murdering men who commit adultery.
01:10:19
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What about the women who do the same in a time where gender disparity still exists? Such ridiculous movies only make it worse.
01:10:31
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Wow. This person has some kind of spirit that I don't think anyone can take away. No, no. there's certainly i This must be coming from an authentic place.
01:10:43
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Stop making movies which rely on breasts, ass, and lipstick. Now I don't know what your beef is. This person's all over the place.
01:10:53
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Is the director's intention was to provide merely cheap entertainment? The cinematography is pretty good. The music is bad, though. The director made a movie that looks cheap, dull, and idiotic.
01:11:07
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Give it a miss. It won't hurt you.
01:11:11
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Speaking of the music, I did look up the composer, and I have only seen one other movie with music from this person, Anton Senko, and he did the music for Party Girl, starring Parker Posey in 1995. How about that that's it Well, I did pull one needle drop for our closing credits this week, listeners, as I like to. Stick around if you want to hear a little bit of I Eat Boys Like You for breakfast.
01:11:40
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The best needle drop in the movie. Yeah, for sure. ah Two out of ten stars. Do not waste 85 minutes of your life that you will waste by watching this dead on arrival and not get back.
01:11:55
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Wow. Punchy title for movie. Yeah, very punchy. laughably bad acting, photography, and editing. This movie even makes viewing the nude female form boring.
01:12:06
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I'm going disagree with you right there. The nurse, unhappy with being a female, tries to compensate for being the weaker sex by killing off men she entices to have sex with her.
01:12:20
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Wow. Really weird reading of this film. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:27
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In a rebuke of biology, she offers the men a second chance, but only after the normal overpowering male mating drive has kicked in and blocked all conscious thought.
01:12:39
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This is a guy who would get killed by a nurse three d Yes, absolutely. I'd be rude. Yeah. At the beginning of the movie. Yeah. If you turn off the volume and fast forward through the non-nude scenes, you might find a three star worth.
01:12:53
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Do not waste 85 minutes of your life that you will waste by watching this dead on arrival and not get back. Such a great turn of phrase. They had to use it twice. It's so half-life full-life consequences. Very interesting.
01:13:08
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Yeah. Three out of 10 stars. Was there a casting director on this one? Nurse isn't a masterpiece for sure, but it isn't the worst movie ever.
01:13:21
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With Nurse, you will have an epiphany. Paz de la Huerta is certainly the worst actress ever. She can't talk properly. She can't make you interested in any psychological aspect of the character.
01:13:34
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You just don't believe. She is the living proof that not everyone can act, and she's doing it perfectly. And because of her, what could have been good in the movie is totally ruined.
01:13:46
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What a waste of money for producers and of time for me. It is just seems like the role was already assigned to her even before the script has been written.
01:13:57
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I'm quite sure that someone didn't know that making movie with professionals was a must in this industry. It is a pity. Wow. You'll hate her vibes on that. Yeah.
01:14:11
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Fascinating. Four out of ten. Funny movie with bad acting.
01:14:19
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Why does she not wear any eye makeup in any of her bad girl scenes? It is obviously voiced over by Meg Ryan. This nurse is so sexy in her killer scenes, but never wears eye makeup.
01:14:34
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Stupid. Wow. They're so mad. Should have worn more eye makeup, idiot. I guess. Get it together.
01:14:46
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I didn't realize how crucial that is for killing scenes. I mean, I think it would have made a big difference for Neo. No, no, I'm sorry.
01:14:58
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Mama Nash 2003. Okay. There were 10 people credited for makeup on this movie and none of them did I make up apparently. so No, they should have. They should have.
01:15:10
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Let's admit it. I mean, they should have penciled on some eyebrows at least. would have made her look much less disturbing. But I guess making her look disturbing is the point of the movie. yeah Anyway, you guys want to play a game?
01:15:21
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Yes. All right. Let's play a little this guy played that guy.
01:15:33
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This guy played that guy. Yeah! This guy played that guy.
01:15:54
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That's right, we're playing a little This Guy Plays That Guy with Judd Nelson. Had Judd Nelson been in any of our movies before? Not that I recall. It feels like you ought to have been. Anyway, we're doing the films of Judd Nelson.
01:16:09
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And what I'm going to do is I'm going to read you the title of the film and a brief plot description. And I'm going to name three characters that are in the film. I want you to let me know which one play was played by Judd Nelson.
01:16:23
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This a buzzing game. You'll buzz in by saying your own name. And ah if you get it wrong, your opponent will have the chance to steal. Is everybody ready? if I'm ready. All right. Question number one.
01:16:35
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Circumstances unknown. a celebration becomes a desperate struggle for survival when a murderous crazy decides to terrorize his childhood friend's wife.
01:16:47
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oh Did Judd Nelson play Dakota Peel? Paul Kinsey or Tim Ruschel. Greg. What a name.
01:17:00
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I'll buzz in. Are you buzzing? ah Paul Kinsey.
01:17:07
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Correct. Greg's on the board. Don't worry, Rowan. Plenty of game left to play. right. Question number two. Falcon down. U.S. Air Force officer Hank Thomas attempts to expose a military cover-up after a civilian airliner crashes.
01:17:25
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Did John Nelson play Buzz Thomas, Roger the Rat, or Harold Peters? Rowan. Rowan? I think I'm going to go with Harold Peters because he looks like a Harold. Yes!
01:17:40
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You're right, he does look like a Harold because he is one. Question number three. Return to the Cabin by the Lake. They're going back. That's nice. They're going back. This is a sequel to The Cabin by the Lake.
01:17:54
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Murderous screenwriter Stanley Caldwell, who incidentally is thought to be dead, returns to the scene of his crimes. Did John Nelson play Stanley Caldwell, Chad, or J.C. Reddick?
01:18:14
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Greg? Greg? Chad.
01:18:22
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I'm sorry I didn't play Chad. Rowan, can you steal? The first name on the list. What was that again? Stanley Caldwell. I'm going to go with Stanley Caldwell. That's correct.
01:18:33
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He was the killer. The killer. Question number four. Cybermutt. Ooh. When Rex, a good-natured golden retriever, is given bionic superpowers by an eccentric scientist, he becomes the target of an evil genius determined to possess the new technology at any cost.
01:18:56
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Did John Nelson play Rex, Max, or Alex? Rowan. Rowan? I gotta go with, uh, Alex. let's go with Alex.
01:19:09
Speaker
Right again? You're pulling away. I've not seen any of these movies. No. No, no one ever does. Yeah. Question number five.
01:19:21
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Nether Beast Incorporated. a like it. A quirky twist on vampire movies, but this one is set in modern day corporate America. Greg, you're a vampire fan. You gotta write that one down. I definitely am.
01:19:38
Speaker
Nether Beast Incorporated? That's the one. you Did John Nelson play Steven P.D. Landry? o Waxy Dan Paraffin?
01:19:50
Speaker
Or Alexander Graham Bell? Greg. Greg? Waxy Dan Paraffin. No, that was Jason Mewes. I had to say it.
01:20:03
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if It's very tempting. I would have had to say it too. Well, Rowan, can you steal? What are my other two options? Steven P.D. Landry or Alexander Graham Bell?
01:20:17
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Let's go Alexander Graham Bell.
01:20:21
Speaker
No, no points for that one. It was Steven P.D. Landry. right. hope it was the Alexander Graham Bell. I believe it was. I think he might be a vampire. Okay, cool.
01:20:33
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Question number six. The day the earth stopped.
01:20:40
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Hundreds of massive intergalactic robots appear in all the world's major capitals with an ultimatum. Prove the value of human civilization or be destroyed.
01:20:52
Speaker
Did Judd Nelson play Dr. Shankman, Man, or Charlie?
01:21:01
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Rowan. Rowan? think I'm going to guess Dr. Shankman. I want to end it on a doctor. I want to believe. No. Sorry, Greg. Can you steal? Listen, I'm going to take the Hail Mary. I'm going to say man.
01:21:16
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sorry played Charlie in that one. Oh, man. It's all right. You can still. seems Greg, if you get the next three right, you've got it. Oh, how about that?
01:21:28
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did You just got lock in. Question number seven. Mayor Cupcake. Okay. Okay. A hardworking cupcake baker is inadvertently elected mayor of a small town burdened with debt.
01:21:47
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Uneducated, she relies on her street smarts to clean up the town. Did John Nelson play Mayor Bloodworth? Donald Maroney?
01:22:01
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Or Self? Uh-oh, that's a curveball. Yeah. I'm going to take it, Greg. Greg? I'm swinging at that curveball. Let's go for self.
01:22:16
Speaker
Oh, I'm sorry. Rowan, can you steal? ah Let's go Mayor Bloodworth. That's it, right? Mayor Bloodworth? He played David Maroney. Donald Maroney. but Sorry, my mistake.
01:22:30
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It's all right. Two questions left. Question number eight. A tale of two guns. Yes. Yes. The Cowboys, a notorious Wild West gang, have only one surviving member, and Marshall McTeague is going to hunt him down.
01:22:45
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Did John Nelson play Captain Matthias, McCloskey, or Virgil Montgomery? Greg. Greg? First, I gotta say, i love that in this Western, the gang is called Cowboys. Yeah, just like the real West. Yes, exactly.
01:23:02
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um What was the last one? Was Virgil T something? It was Virgil Montgomery. Virgil Montgomery.
01:23:12
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know I'm sorry. It wasn't Virgil Montgomery. Rowan, can you steal? I'm going to go for McCluskey. McCluskey was the bait. It was Captain Matthias.
01:23:24
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All right, last one. Okay.
Quiz and Batty Awards
01:23:26
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See if we can go with a bang. I might end up taking this one. We'll see. The Terror Experiment. a terrorist unleashes a toxic gas through the ventilation system at the federal building.
01:23:39
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His purpose? To expose the government's secret biological warfare weapon, a deadly virus that instantly attacks a person's adrenal system, causing them to become inhumanly aggressive with an uncontrollable urge to kill each other.
01:23:56
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Did Judd Nelson play Lohan, Agent Wilson, or Sheb? Rowan. Rowan?
01:24:08
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um The middle one, the agent. Agent Wilson? Yeah, that's my guess. You're correct. That's four big points. That means congratulations, Rowan. Good job.
01:24:26
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You're our big winner.
01:24:30
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Thank you very much. Speaking of winners, it's time for the Batty Awards.
01:24:42
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:24:52
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:24:58
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Congratulations to all the nominees.
01:25:05
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That's right. Congratulations to all our nominees. It's the Batty Awards. Greg. Hit us with your Batty Award. All right. So I have to admit that it wasn't until the end of the film with like a tray falls and a bunch of like surgical utensils fly at the screen. i was like, what was that about? That was weird. And I was like, oh, three d So I sort of forgot this was a 3D movie the entire time. So I took some of the camera work as like weird choices, but now makes a little more sense. And that explains this camera shot that I'm listing as my Batty Award, which is a shot from inside of a needle as it's like being dispersed. I was just like, what is this?
01:25:49
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This is crazy.
01:25:53
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That's a fantastic choice. No, was it I was so happy they did what they did.
01:25:59
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Well, I'm going to give my Batty Award this week. It's the Technically in This Movie Award to Kathleen Turner. Sure. Who is technically in this movie. Yeah, technically. think has at most two lines, and we fade away from one of them.
01:26:19
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But i hey, and I'm glad you got a paycheck. That's right. Everybody needs to work. Rowan, do you have a Batty Award?
Closing Remarks and Promotions
01:26:26
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I do indeed. I've got to give my baddie award to Nisi Nash, the best actress in this movie by far oh yeah Yeah. Saves and elevates every scene she's in.
01:26:38
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Made me laugh every time I saw her. yeah um And speaking of people getting paid for stuff, I work in payroll in Hollywood. And at my old job, ah one time the check printer was down. And I actually stuffed an envelope with a check for Niecy Nash herself.
01:26:55
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Nice. And that is my my claim to fame, one of them. so All right. So you're one degree of separation from Nurse three d That's right. Another reason for it to be a favorite. Yeah. The magic of Hollywood. i love it.
01:27:11
Speaker
Rowan, thank you so much for coming this week. And thank you for bringing us such an incredible movie. We had so much It was very good time. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really glad that I have yet again forced people to see this movie and hopefully this leads to many more following down that path.
01:27:27
Speaker
It very well might. This is a up there in contenders for screening in our Discord. We'll see. do I hope so. We still need to discuss. But do you have anything that you want to plug?
01:27:39
Speaker
oh No, just keep watching movies and keep sharing them with people you love. What more could you ask for than that? I'll tell you what I'm going to ask for, listeners.
01:27:51
Speaker
I'm to ask you to give us that five stars. You got your phone in your hand. You're about to stop listening to this. You're not even going to wait around to hear i eat boys like you for breakfast. But while you got your phone in your hand, give us that five stars, give a follow, give a comment, whatever you can do, like subscribe. We'd love it.
01:28:08
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01:28:22
Speaker
All great stuff. And you should come back next week for hour 100th episode. We're going to be talking about little Italy with longtime friends of the show, Stefan Noons and Gloria. Yep. You don't want to miss it.
01:28:41
Speaker
ah So be here next week, listeners. And until then, be good. Goodbye. Goodbye.
01:28:56
Speaker
I eat boys like you for breakfast. Where's my salt and pepper now? A rag on a basil and thyme.
01:29:09
Speaker
And my tabahto.