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All Them Trimmings - Part 3
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What does it all mean?
A clunky set of lyrics, found in an out-of-print book.
It didn’t sound that promising as a starting point. But interpretations were made, songs were written, significance found.
But what does it all mean?
Giles and Steve discover more incredible versions of the song they called All Them Trimmings and reach a thrilling conclusion to the whole saga.
Warning: This episode contains discussion of postcards, guitar solos and wine bars.
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Podcast artwork by Giles Woodward
Edited by Steve Woodward at PodcastingEditor.com
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Transcript
Anniversary Reflections
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drinking in the morning sun blinking in the morning sun shaking off a heavy one heavy like a loaded gun what made me behave that way using words i never say i can only think it must be love oh anyway it's looking like a beautiful day
00:00:47
Speaker
Episode 28. 28. Ooh.
Musical Intros and Band Names
00:00:54
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And we're recording this on the almost anniversary of the first episodes coming out. Yeah. Can you believe we've been doing this for a year? we We're getting in there, aren't we, Steve? We're figuring out what we're doing with it. We are, slightly. Do you like my intro? Every time I've struggled to place it, unless it's like a really obvious one. And that's just tickling the back of my memory, but it's not quite coming together. Okay. I'm sure the listener might know. It's elbow, Steve. It's elbow. Your favourite band with a name that has a body part in it, remember? Yes.
00:01:33
Speaker
If you are new to the podcast, my brother likes to throw these little challenges at me at the end of the episode. And in the previous episode, it was as many bands as you can name who are named after body parts. And I struggled with it. And then I remembered afterwards what one I should have said was Fanny.
00:01:55
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Obviously, I should have good word. You know, theyre they're the band that David Bowie said with the future of music. Yeah. Fanny is the future of music. Good old Dave. He wasn't right about everything, was he? No, he wasn't. No, he
Reminiscing on Old Recordings
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Speaker
wasn't. Yeah. Episode 28 of the This Are Johnny Domino podcast. Hooray. Hooray. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I think my new mission statement is that we are embracing our collective inner old geezer and saying to it, it's all right. I'm listening. Come on in. And I don't think you're boring.
00:02:35
Speaker
That's what we're saying to the inner old geezer. It's cool safe space, it's a safe space. My name is Steve and that is my brother Giles and the original concept for the podcast, and it still is the concept for the podcast, is that we are listening to songs that we have recorded up to 30 years ago, home recordings and various bands that we've played in, talking about them and the memories that are brought up by listening to them. Earlier this year we set a challenge to our listeners based on a book that I was given by Jim, the lead singer of our band Johnny Domino.
Listener Challenges and Creative Contributions
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The book was called Rock Talk and it was written by Julian Colbeck. Basically it's a how to be in a band book.
00:03:17
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And one of the pages in particular brought us Great Joy, a set of lyrics that were written by a band called Out to Lunch. We found them incredibly amusing. And a few episodes ago, we asked people to send in their versions of this song, a song that we had never heard, but we had only read the lyrics. And only imagined. and Just just ah just ah and another thing about the book. It was the combination of the lyrics that were quite weird. and the photographs. Well, they were good photographs, but they were a little little cheesy. But there was also a sense of like, we could relate to them as well, because it was these two musicians, da Dale and Jonty, in their bedroom, writing songs, just like we were. First line in the book is, Dale and Jonty are a duo, a group of two, called Out to Lunch.
00:04:10
Speaker
Yeah, a group of two. And I guess that's what we've always been in a sense. That's what we started, yeah. Yeah. So he did appeal to us. I'm going to have to send you a photo because there's a picture in the book of Dale and John T at the piano writing a song. We've got photos of Johnny Domino recreating that pose. We have at the piano. Yeah, that that we might have to dig that one out. Yeah. Yeah. But it did. It kind of influenced us. And it was just one of those sort of we were quite of into our in jokes. And it it was it was one of our in jokes, really. Yes. But since we started the podcast, we sort of we dug it up. And like Steve said, we challenged people to write some music for these lyrics. Yeah. and I think people did quite well.
00:04:54
Speaker
You know, so far things things have sounded pretty interesting and we've created some music that has brought out stuff that we didn't really see before in the lyrics, which is a bit interesting. There was no plan to this, but it's kind of worked in an interesting way. Yeah, because we thought they were quite clunky and just really, really rhythmically odd. So it was a challenge to say, see what you can do with this. And people who have really got into it. They've given songs that actually sound like the lyrics were what written for these songs. Yeah, yeah. And as you said, we we do occasionally go down a rabbit hole of drawing out lyrical meaning that may have been intended or may not.
Nostalgia with Simon Richardson
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So the first song we're going to listen to today is sent by Simon Richardson, his version, or rather his band's version of All Them Trimmings. And I'll tell you about his band in a minute. But Simon is someone that was kind of important in my life, actually. He was my housemate and and friend during my time in the olden days at Leeds University in the early 90s. We actually shared a room for a whole year, which is quite an achievement, I think, in our halls of residence. Luckily, it was pretty easy to get on with, and we both shared definitely a love of music and of jazz cigarettes. And um and a bottle of Thunderbird.
00:06:28
Speaker
Yeah. All right. Yeah. He was quite partial to that. I've got a mental picture of of him sat on the edge of his bed in our room, like on the morning and the sun's coming through the window and he's just woken up and he's in a fog of golden Virginia smoke with a frozen ship up his nose to ease the pain of a homemade piercing that he'd just done. And that's how I visualise Simon. But I'm sure he's not like that now. We've all moved on. We did eventually move out of the the shared room and into what transpired to be an ex-brothel, which was yes which was not so nice. There's a story there. Yeah, there's a story there. And then we we did have a bit of a band, which at some point I'll play you some of.
00:07:14
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The band was called Sunnyland Smiles, One Word, Lowercase S. That was our band for a while. It's been lovely to hear hear from him anyway. and He's continued to be a very creative and practical person and he's in the vicinity of Glasgow.
The Tidmouth Sheds' Unique Performance
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He's got together a band called The Tidmouth Sheds, which are active and gigging and recording stuff. and This is his version. of all them trimmings.
00:07:59
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Section for the time is just not good. It does it always. Had to take this long You said don't push it too far Just let all fade away But I thought I had to do something Before we threw it all away We kept the dash Of creativity That's all we need at hand From creativity
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Before you jump that gun You gotta settle your conscience Can't you see what I see? You said don't push it too far Just let it all blow away Girl, are you blind? To the ways of the loving man Girl, are you so blind? To the ways of the loving man
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A creativity key That's all we need and have A creativity key With all of the trillings That come with love Give me all the trillings That come with love
00:10:27
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Dances on a postcard, please. If ain't hard. Dances on a postcard. If ain't hard. Dances on a postcard, please.
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That was the Tidmouth Sheds version of All Them Trimmins. That was Innes Thompson on bass and drum and production, Richard Owen on lead guitar, Simon Richardson on vocal and rhythm guitar, Katie Shannon on vocal and Caroline Campbell. on shallow. I mean he did send a solo version of that song he did which I really like because I really like Simon's guitar playing especially when he's playing acoustic guitar but I do love the fact that he he wrote this song as a solo thing and then he taught it to other people
00:11:22
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I mean, that's a level of commitment. Yeah, they worked it out. They did it. They went for it proper, didn't they? Yeah. There's a level of audacity to that ah version, which I appreciate. Adding a new bit. It's an audacious move, really. The whole kind of answers on a postcard bit, yeah which was ah was a previous song, I think, that you decided to sort of smash in there. Fair enough. I quite like it. It was recorded remotely and interesting point, Katie recorded her vocals on a phone in a kitchen and they have a novelty clock that strikes using pre-recorded bird songs. So that was the Blackbird solo in the middle. Yeah. I was wondering about that. That's excellent. Yeah. So it just kind of went off by accident during a take and they decided to, it was like, you know, it's fate
Influence of Glasgow Music Scene
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that it was there. Serendipity. Yeah, fortuitous.
00:12:15
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Yeah, I did like it. It had a kind of an upbeat kind of swing. And thinking about the postcard thing, I was thinking about it like, it's been a long time since I've sent a postcard. Really? Have you not been sending postcards? ah Answers on a postcard. That's a good phrase, isn't it? not Not heard that phrase for a while. Answers on a postcard, please. Yeah. He's really digging that one up there. We should get people to send us postcards. Oh, I would love that. What I was thinking was there is a page on Facebook called Like Punk Never Happened. It's Brian McCloskey's Smash Hits Archive.
00:12:53
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And basically he will upload scans of yeah old issues or smash hits. Occasionally it pops up in in my feed on Facebook and I really like looking at them. But there was one the other day, it was a Michael Jackson club. And you had to send a check or a postal order and a stamp to rest envelope. and And it was someone's actual postal address or something. I just love reading all that kind of stuff. And these amazing, huge boomboxes with an FM radio attached, they're about 500 quid or something. And a tiny little Walkman headphones and things like that. I just really get into it. And then every now and again, you'll have like the song lyrics for something.
00:13:38
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He does the whole issue as well. So you've got all the adverts as well. It's really good. I don't think, it i don't I mean, I don't know whether this is a stretch as well, but you know that the postcard records. Yes. Because that was a Glasgow based label, right? And I'm feeling a little bit of that in Simon's music. Are you? Yeah, it's a bit orange juice. Yeah, yeah. Sorry to put you on the spot. But have you got like a favourite postcard records kind of track? It's not really your bag, is it? It's not really my bag. But I do remember i did I sent some postcards back from a Greek holiday that I had. And it was a picture of it's like a skull of a stag. No, it wasn't. It was skull of a ram. And it said, these are for you. These are for your wife.
00:14:30
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And I sent that to, I think I sent that to Jim, just a really weird postcard. You're just thinking about your favourite postcard. Yeah, I'm just thinking about it. I'd rather think about my favourite postcard than a favourite postcard record because I've got more. I've got more interest in that. yeah And I used to have on the pinboard for years and years and years. go on a fat postcard I had a postcard that Dick sent me and it was a picture of Barton Fink and it was Barton Fink with his glasses on and his big hair. And at the time I had big hair and my little glasses on and he sent it to me and I had that on my on my pinboard for years. Let's start a new podcast about favourite postcards. To be frank, I'm more interested in that than postcard records, but that's, you know. Are you? East of their own. I know. I quite like a bit of Orange Juice, occasionally. Yeah, but I don't mind them. I just can't get excited about them. It's the sound of young Scotland. ah know I know. I'm aware of that. It's now the sound of old Scotland. It is, yeah.
Vom Vorton's Cabaret Cover
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Anyway, thank you to Simon and Tidmouth Sheds. Tidmouth Sheds, I like the Thomas the Tank Engine reference there. So thank you, yeah, very good. And we have another trimmings coming up from long time listener, long time participant in the nonsense that we send out. ah This is our friend Tom, Tom Morton. Ex-lead singer of the band, Lord Pony, we did many, many gigs with them. Previously he sent in, oh God, that song that he sent in for the Eternal Halls of the Fortran Gods, that was amazing. He sent in two amazing songs, Black Sands, oh my God. um In fact, I'm going to insert a little bit of that as a reminder to everyone and myself.
00:16:20
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Tell me what to do, don't ask you You can tell me what to do You're not my brother, you're not my mother You're just another thingy alone Go home!
00:16:41
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You're not my brother, you're not my mother You're just another thingy alone Go home! We love the Black Sands. Yeah, Tom sent us a version of the song that we are calling, All Them Trimmins, and it's a doozy. It is. Tom, or his name on Spotify is now, Vom Vorton. I like his description on Spotify. It says, number one cool guy, powerful school, 10 out of 10. And I think that about sums him up.
00:17:13
Speaker
This is a good track, and I really i think it's a really interesting version of this song. I really like it. It starts off kind of sleazy, which I like. Yeah. I think it's got a bit of a cabaret kind of feel to begin with. What do you think, Steve? I absolutely agree, because I listened to it just before we started recording. He's channeling a bit of Jarvis, I think. Yeah. A little bit, a little bit, right? But then it kind I think the chorus kind of opens up and there's a synth sound in it that makes me think of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, possibly. Yeah, yeah. Would I be right in saying hashtag heroic guitar solo? Oh, yeah. Postcard records, though a bit Edwin Collins sound as well. Hmm.
00:18:01
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Do you think? It's through line. This is through line, yeah. Edwin Collins sound, which has got a note in it, and ah I'm sure Tom won't mind me saying it. There's a note in it that is, it's one of those notes in the guitar solo. Is it right or is it wrong? Listen out for that note. Cool. Let's go anyway. This is Von Vorten, all them trimmings.
00:18:38
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Searching for time that just is not there Does it always have to take this long?
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You said don't push it to thought
00:19:02
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Just let it fade away But I felt I had to do something Before we threw it away Just a dash of creativity And that's all it needed Creativity with all of them Dreaming of the calm
00:19:39
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So take heed Before you jump that gun And settle your conscience Can't you see what I see? Girl, are you blind To the way
00:20:16
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Just a dash of creativity That's all you needed Creativity
00:20:51
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Just to dash forward
00:21:22
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I did enjoy that. is is It's epic. It's epic. I've just found his email that he sent. um He said, please find attached one song that I definitely spent too much time on. I disagree. I think he spent just the right amount of time on that, Tom. He said, to channeling those lyrics made me attempt weird things like the chorus and verse being in different keys and in kind of scare quotes of guitar solo. I think the guitar solo was heroic. I think I heard the note that you were talking about. I think what he was doing was because the verse and the chorus are in completely different keys, he was trying to modulate from the verse into the chorus. Yeah, as you know, I'm more of a friend of musicians than an actual musician.
00:22:11
Speaker
So that none of that meant anything to me. and Well, it's it's a key change. is you you have to you You can either do with the trucker's gear change where basically you just go, right, we're setting this key and then we're going to move to this one really abruptly, or you can try and transition into it, which is what he was doing. Yeah, I thought it was great. And I think everyone should go out and listen to some Von Vorten. There's a few albums out there. There's some stuff there, so check him out. You dig it. And, you know, we were talking in the last Trimmings episode about a possible future.
00:22:44
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where the song becomes a basis for a post-apocalyptic society, which which is geared towards creativity and inspired by the lyrics
Utopian Future and Original Creators
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of the song. right In my imagination, that song would be the version that would be played at the end of some kind of like world concert, which is beamed around the globe and with everyone in the world singing along to it. with their arms around each other, you know. Yeah. What I'm picturing is the end of the first Star Wars film where there's like the huge kind of mu medal giving, yeah it was utterly bizarre medal giving ceremony. ah But, you know, I could imagine someone like some trumpet players playing. That's it. That's it. It's an ending, isn't it?
00:23:33
Speaker
Yeah, that is possibly for your dystopian future, creativity, post AI, taking over everything, yeah society. I think that is the national anthem. I think it is. One bottom, providing the national anthem for your science fiction. we've We salute you, Vom. Absolutely. Thank you. That was beautiful. Right. where Where do we go now? Where do we go now? Is that the end? it's It's not. it's not we haven We haven't got any more versions, have we? Well, no, but if anybody wants to send them in, the lyrics are still out there. I'm still more than happy to receive more entrance into this. i I know you are Giles. But when we started doing this, you know. I'm very excited about this, by the way. Okay. I'm trembling in and anticipation. Okay. Well, just want to let people know that. Okay. Slow your roll.
00:24:28
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Obviously when we started, we we looked at this book and we've enjoyed it for many years. and I didn't take it any further, and I don't think any of us did. We didn't kind of go, oh, let's have a search for out to lunch. But our mate Frankie, Frankie Machine, is the kind of guy who's going to go deep into this whole of thing. So in March of 2024, he started Googling around, and he managed to find a guy called Dave, who was the person who recorded
00:25:00
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out to
Interview with Dale from Out to Lunch
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lunch. And he found on his website some examples of recordings that he'd done, ah one of which was an out to lunch song. Not all them trimmings, but an out to lunch song. And going down that rabbit hole, he found a webpage for Juan Dale Davis. Dale of Aunt Jonty fame and of Out to Lunch fame. Yeah, Dale. Dale, he's in the pictures. He is in the pictures, yep. There's your man. You've got in touch with Dale. Yeah, and Dale is... We've found Dale. well
00:25:38
Speaker
Frankie found Dale and then I felt the fear and did it anyway a few weeks ago and said, I'm one of the people behind the random podcast where people are talking about one of your old songs. And then I ah sent him a link to the first episode that featured people's versions of all them trimmings. Yeah, stayed in touch with him. And Luckily, it turns out he's a nice guy. Luckily, it turns out he's not the kind of guy to go cease and desist. There hasn't been a cease and desist notice at all yet. No, not yet. So it's all going quite well. It's it's amazing. Anyway, you you talked to him, didn't you? I spoke to him ah last week. Yeah. Should we have a listen to it? Let's have a listen to it. My chat with Dale Davis.
00:26:29
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So you are in Holland, and I've just heard out to lunch's version of, what is the song called? It was called Creativity. Yeah, because we went with All Them Trimmings. Yeah, but that that's great in itself. That was the line that when we were reading this book in our little indie smart ass wanker conglomerate, that was the line that used to make us laugh. But then if you think about it, you can't go all those trimmings because that sounds really awkward. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's quite awkward to have this on anyway, that even the entry is due for time. But we were young and stupid. Hey, we've all we've all done that. I think I mentioned in one of the emails that I sent to you that i'd I'd always assumed that Out to Lunch was like a band that was invented for the book. No, no, we were a band beforehand and the lead singer, John T, I mean, he looks like Max Headroom from the photos that you saw there. and
00:27:29
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he just had this ability to attract people. We were all based in a place called just out of Reading called Henley on Thames. Henley had a small music scene and I ended up in a band ah with John T and he was a real ladies man. At one point we called the band Thrust That Bust and then changed it to Out to Lunch. Yeah we got a ah few songs together and just played around Reading but then John Tees used to know Alvin Lee's wife, for Sue Lee. Alvin Lee from 10 years after and ended up managing us and did the original demo of creativity. But then ah we got involved with an engineer who, funny enough, I was in Indonesia with last week and I hadn't seen him since that whole period. So it was just so weird to meet him after all those years in that environment. So we moved to London together from the area
00:28:24
Speaker
And I used to spend a lot of time in the studio with him because he was working at Christmas Records and then we'd get a lot of down time at night time. I quit college as a result. And then we end up in the studio in Brixton called Barrington Studios and this is where this version evolved from. So so that was done in 1986. You can tell that John T's got the 80s look. he's got he's got Like you said, he's got the hair. I mean, not that yeah you didn't have the look and you didn't have the hair, but you know he's a bit like a Matt Bianco curiosity type thing. Yeah, a lot of bands like that. Hipsway, the Martin Steems and the Dainties, that sort of look. yeah But then I decided to move to London and he didn't move, so I just moved and I changed the career of music. and
00:29:12
Speaker
And here I am, years later, talking about his song from then. I do apologise. But um is it's weird you mentioned the band name, because looking in the book, i was that was one of the things I wanted to ask you, because I can't imagine that anyone would call their band Thrust That Bus. No, no no but we changed it very quickly, but it was there, like a weekend. So with regards to how to launch, how far did you get? Did you just do gigs and then record some stuff? Yeah, because I wanted to move to London and be a musician. so And it's funny yeah that at one point you mentioned John T. sounds like a rugby name. I remember at one of the podcasts you talked about there. But he was a fantastic rugby player. That made me laugh when you um said that.
00:29:57
Speaker
It's just one of those names, isn't it? Oh, John T. Yeah, he was brilliant. Like a rugger-bogger type thing. Yeah, he was brilliant at rugby, so um fair play to him on that. The band lasted about probably no more than a couple of years. Yeah, yeah. There was a lot of hype because of its looks and stuff and his personality. We had the the chance to record those two things in two studios. and studio time was expensive and yeah even the four-track was expensive so we managed to get studio time and do it that way but as I say it sounds like a four-track demo once we'd finished him with it so but then I moved to London um and no one else came with me so ah because I just wanted to be a musician yeah and get on with my career so you were pretty driven yes I mean that wasn't the most talented and you know a lot of these people
00:30:46
Speaker
They had a lot more than me, but I was a young institute and stupid just wanted to be a musician. How do you get from out to lunch to being Amy Winehouse's musical director? What were the steps in between? Just after that recording there, I did a lot of wine bar gigs with a saxophone player on on the track there. which danced and I was working part-time so I went from five days of doing temp work and then I managed to get down to two days and then eventually I managed to quit because I got off of the tour in Italy in 1991 and I saw everything that could go wrong in the music business in one hit and you know there were pretty low times but I came back to England and I thought well nothing's gonna ever be that bad again and then six months later I got a break with um Norman Cook
00:31:37
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doing work with Beats International. So I did that for six months and then he formed the band Freepower with ah Ashley Slater who had a band called Michael Groove that I used to play in and that was Lawman's backing band. So I ended up working in Freepower for a year solidly but then I went on to do this thing in Europe called The Night in the Pawns and I worked with a lot of established artists like Paul Young. Randy Crawford, Blondie, Simple Minds. It was just, you know, every year it was like a pop classical thing that you get now. So, and I was in the house band for a while, then I decided to come back to Europe and try and work with younger eyes, because I thought if I stay in Europe too long, people are going to forget me. So I came back around 1999-2000 and I started to work with younger eyes.
00:32:19
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And then in 2003, I came across Amy and, you know, I went for the audition, didn't get it initially. And they called me after the first bass player couldn't do it. And then that was it. And that took me through eight years, obviously, you know, as well documented what happened. And then ever since then, you know, I've been doing odd things, but a lot of things are still being in connection with Amy, you know, so people still want to hear her music and it's an honor to honor her legacy, you know, performing the stuff still. you basically had the career in music that most people would dream of. So it feels good to talk to you because this book, it's brought us some joy over the years. But the fact that you've been working, I think it's beautiful. you And you're still working.
00:33:08
Speaker
It's a weird thing though, because you know, when I was a kid, as an eight year old, I always just wanted to be in a band and be yeah was a successful, you know, writing my own stuff and stuff like that. But I realised over the years, I didn't have that sort of ability. And also when I moved to London, the whole music scene was changing to DJs and just, you know, the guitar and percussion and stuff like that. That was all starting to get dropped for samples and stuff like that. and then I came out through that scene, you know, the whole rave scene. And the point I'm trying to make is that I always wanted to be in that sort of situation. So in one way, I never got to do the thing that I wanted to do originally, but I've ended up going way beyond my expectations in other areas. Yeah, definitely. That was the thing. And it was just down to sheer determination. I really don't consider myself the best and just somehow still doing it, eking out a career. on
00:34:00
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I've got to ask, how weird is it that we have become obsessed with this old song? Well, as I say, it's quite surreal. I've had a surreal moment this year when I had an actor play me in a film, you know, so... Yeah, yeah. Nothing surprises me. What has surprised me is the train of events, you know, so last year, Simon Head, the original keyboard player in Absalom, he started to digitise everything we did. So he digitised rehearsals, gigs, recordings that we had at the time. And then when I saw your first email, I thought, oh, wow, we've got the material. So something's been moving along. And then suddenly all this happens. And then, as I said, I was out in Indonesia with the guy who recorded everything. The girl who took the photos, she got in touch with me last week to say, Dave, I'm going to come and see you in France when you're playing. So I just think all these weird things are happening as a result. And I've got in touch with most of the people in connection with this song. The only person I haven't
00:34:59
Speaker
been able to reach his jaunty and i've been able to speak to him for a long time. Just because our lives are drifting apart. and So it doesn't surprise me but it's still an amazing thing. and The first episode, I had to get my head around so much, I thought, what the hell is going on? And I couldn't listen to the song, I'd forgotten all about it. But towards the end of the first episode, I thought, well, I've got to go and find the original version that we did. And it's a normal, I mean, it's a proper piss-taking. I like a joke about anyone else, so I could take the piss-taking.
00:35:32
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but it's still so fascinating to see. And some of the versions have been absolutely fantastic. In fact, they've all been great. Oh, wicked. I love the fact that you've heard them. Any in particular that that you like? It was quite ah like a skiffle version, was it, on the last podcast? was it skiffle? oh yeah there was like ah that's mj here but he did it is a bit skiffle yeah yeah it gifttic guitar yeah yeah so that that was great as well even the one that sounded like in excess and one that sounded like an oil cold it been all been great because and they sound more complete than the version that we've done because you've had a chance to think about it and put it in a different way um you know so yeah it's an amazing thing and it's just made me happy
00:36:18
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How amazing was that? It was really nice to talk to him. He's a charming bugger, but he also took it in the spirit that we intended it. So thank you so much, Dale. Thank you for your time. And he's an actual musician. Actual it musician. Yeah, i we didn't mention it beforehand, but, you know, he's been a session musician for years and he's known now as Mr. Davis, Amy Winehouse's trusted musical director. Yeah, and friend. Yeah. ah carried A character based on him has appeared in a film, which must be a trip. Yeah, that's crazy. It's kind of an amazing thing that our weird idea of doing some songs based on the lyrics in this bizarre book that's out of print anyway, yeah led to that conversation. It's cool.
00:37:16
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By the way, good job on interviewing him. That was a good one. You did well. Well, you know, it was very easy to talk
Original 'Creativity' Song and Reactions
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to. He was in Holland, you know what I mean? We were trying to set it up and I said, well, what do we do this evening? He said, well, I'm an hour ahead of you, so that would be fine. He's just on holiday. I really want to push to go and meet him, actually, face to face. I think we should definitely go and meet him and get him to sign the book. That would be cool, wouldn't it? Wicked. Yeah. So I feel we've kind of reached the point where we kind of need to listen to what this song actually sounds like. yeah yeah The original, the Rosetta Stone as it were. It is, it's it's the key text. The key text, right? what This is what it was actually originally
00:38:06
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my out to lunch. And it was a song not called All Them Trimmings. No, no, it was called Creativity. And I have listened to it. And for me, it's not let me down, really, because I think it sounds exactly like the photographs. Shall we go in? Let's go. Thank you, Dale and Jonty. Let's go.
00:38:58
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Such a pretend that just is not there Does it always have to take this long?
00:39:08
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You said don't push it too hard Just let it fade away But I felt I had to do something
00:39:43
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Just a dash of creativity That's all it needed, creativity We're born of ventriments That come with love, yeah
00:40:15
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So take him before you choke that gun I said you can't choose Come find him, he talked to me Can't you see what I've seen? Oh, are you blind to the ways of a loving man?
00:40:45
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To the ways of the loving man You need a just a dash of creativity That's all you need, a creativity With all of them dreaming That come with love, yeah That come with love
00:41:55
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you
00:42:26
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I don't want to talk over it. You just did. It's beautiful. The rocking sound of Henley, 1987. Yeah. um Dale did want me to mention Simon Cotsworth. He was the guy who recorded Out To Lunch and he was the person who we met in Indonesia recently. So he just wanted me to mention his name because he did a lot for the song and also I think he's going to try and clean up the recording. I'm not that bothered if he cleans up the recording. I like the tape hiss because it is is's like ah it's like it's fitting with our stuff. Exactly. it's ah It's a through line. It doesn't feel too out of the ordinary. As he said in the conversation, they managed to make a professional recording studio sound like a four track, which that's something. Wow. What can we say?
00:43:18
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Jonty was a ladies man. Yeah. and Very good looking with a Max Headroom haircut. Yeah. did what What can you say? I don't know. it What does it remind me of? if i'm getting sense I'm getting kind of a bit of tears for fears. Yeah, a bit of tears for fears. Definitely. But there's definitely that that wine bar. curiosity kill the cat, Matt Bianco 5 going on. yeah yeah Which is kind of what we imagined, wasn't it? really Look at the photos, it's it's not gonna be anything else. You know, they were doing gigs in wine bars and I'm sure they went down an absolute storm, especially with John T and his haircut.
00:43:58
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Yeah. What's interesting in though, Steve, I think, and I really, really loved listening to that and I really appreciate Dale sending it to us and everything.
Cultural Connections and Album Plans
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But what what I think is the most interesting thing really is the through line, like you say, and how it all kind of fits together. you know it's that has kind of led to us writing music and yeah i don't know i'm getting a sense of gestalt yeah it's like the organized whole is more than just the sum of its parts you know i mean we've made we put a thing together with all these different bits
00:44:35
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And the and the it's the relationships between all the different bits that I think is really interesting. So I'm kind of hoping that we're going to be able to put all of these versions of all them trimmings near creativity, we're going to call it all them trimmings, together yeah into an album of some sort, right? It will probably be on Bandcamp. It'll probably be a free download just because I think people have put so much effort into it. I think the the versions deserve to be heard. Definitely. And I think it'll be an interesting listen.
00:45:09
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And we can, you know, put the backstory up in the notes and put some photos up there. And I think that the last track on the compilation has got to be out to lunch's version. Yeah, definitely. What else is? I feel like we're at the end of a journey. Yeah. it's been It's been kind of cool. Well done, Steve. but Why? I was just going to do a bit of mutual patting on the back, but you didn't want to join in. It's all right. It's okay. It's fine.
00:45:42
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so
00:45:45
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Where do we go from here? I don't know. Do we go anywhere from here? How do you follow that? I don't know. I think we probably need to sit down and and and think about it in a quiet room for a while. um So we may be at the end of the podcast, I think, but it's been lovely.
Episode Closure and New Listener Challenge
00:46:04
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Yeah, I mean this episode, Steve, I don't mean the podcast, generally. yeah I was just going, hair, hair? Bombshell. And probably like three other people going, huh? No, I don't mean that. I mean, the end of this podcast. Yeah, I think we need to go and have a lie down now. It's been, ah you know, at the end of this podcast.
00:46:24
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and regroup really, but it has been great and I just want to say thanks to Simon and Von Vorten for sending in their versions which were great. It's been really nice to listen to them today. Can we have a bit of a roll call of the people who've previously sent things in? So that is, I am Wilberham, erstwhilefriend. Mark Elston, Motorcade 1, MJ Hibbert, Frankie Maschine, The Tidmouth Sheds, Von Voughten and of course Dale. Yes. Thank you all. Yeah, thank you so much for for putting the effort in and I hope you enjoyed working on those songs as much as we enjoyed listening to them and talking about them. Definitely. And we have got more episodes coming up.
00:47:14
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in the near future and we are definitely going to go with another engagement opportunity and we want you to create some music which is a version of a song from or related to your youth or childhood or yeah your experience of youth or childhood as we discussed last episode. so something inspired by Well, the whole idea was inspired by my transformative experience watching Punk Rock Factory at Bearded Theory Festival last month. But we'd like you to record a piece of music and we're going to have some themed episodes coming up to do with that, hopefully. We'll see we'll see what happens.
00:48:05
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I've already had one submission. Fabulous. Well, don't don't tell me about that. That's that's too exciting to for what for today. I've already had too much excitement. So yeah, hopefully people are going to get into that. And me and you are going to have to think of something that we want to do as well. Yes, we are. Yeah. Okay.
Nostalgia and Personal Reflections
00:48:22
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Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. If you are enjoying it, please. Hold on Just hold on a second. Cause I've just thought of something. Um, sorry. What song best describes this podcast and its listeners? For me this week
00:48:47
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you know I know I'm a bit repetitive, but I'm going for a song from I Jonathan by Jonathan Richmond, 1992 album, one of my favourite albums. And I was listening to it again because ah family have been talking about my dislike of Mr Brightside, which I didn't mention. yeah But in bringing that up, we forget it because I said that was like in my version of Hell. But in that, let's let's let's recalibrate that because actually what I was talking about really was my love.
00:49:24
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of the I Jonathan album and how that is my version of heaven. And there is a song on it which I think sums up something about how I feel about this podcast and its listeners. And it is the song Rooming House on Venice Beach. It's a stretch but listen to what I'm saying, okay? I've never been to Venice Beach. It's a well-known bohemian area of Los Angeles and it sounds in the song like an amazing place. Jonathan is singing nostalgically about the Venice Beach of his youth and it's cheap, cheap, cheap and he's got a radiator and a sagging bed and he doesn't lock his door because who would nick his cheap guitar and his paper bags?
00:50:10
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He's living the bohemian lifestyle, right? And the ancient world is within reach. But we, in a way, are harking back to a time. yes But Jonathan also sings about the ancient weird guys in his toga and the beard with weird guy singing flat and the weirdo weird guys passing the hat. And that's us, man, right? you know Like I say, we've got to embrace the inner old guy and the ancient world is in our reach. And it is wild, wild, wild. And you're never going to call it mild.
00:50:52
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Listen to it. I listen to it frequently. It is one of my favorites as well. But I think it's a bit of a stretch. You may be overreaching, but you know, I'm not. No. We're the ancient weird guys. You're the weird beard guy. Am I just the weird, weird guy? You're the weird, weird guy. Weird, weird guy. You're the weird, weird guy. I'm the bearded, weird guy singing flat. You're the weirdo, weird guy passing the hat. OK. Fabulous. I think i think that he the emotion of hearing out to lunch has blown your mind. So let's sign off now. If you are enjoying the podcast, please share it with a friend or someone who you were in a band with or someone who you used to listen obsessively to music with. That'd be great. And like and subscribe wherever you you are listening. And we will see you in another couple of weeks.