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EP. 36 VAULT- Black Swan (2010)
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This is an episode from the vault! This was one of the early recordings after the podcast's inception (no soundboard). The guys review Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan.
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Introduction and Film Review Announcement
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome to another episode of the Two Guys One Screen podcast. My name is Nick. And I'm Gerald. And today we are reviewing for you the 2010 film Black Swan. Cacao. Swans don't make that sound. Our swan's real. yeah I've barely seen a swan. I've never seen a swan in my life. Ever? No, I've never seen a swan. What about black ones? so Never seen a black swan. All right. Plug it in, plug it in.
Engagement with Listeners
00:00:35
Speaker
So. Make sure you follow us on Instagram. Two guys, one screen pod and then send any comments, concerns, requests to two guys, one screen pod at gmail dot.com and our letterbox are linked in the description. Yeah. Give her a letterbox to follow. I'm pretty active on that, John. Not recently, but.
00:01:00
Speaker
You know, I'm pretty active on it. If we watch a movie, it's going on Letterbox. That's just how it is. I agree.
First Impressions and Comparisons
00:01:06
Speaker
So Black Swan, this was your first time watching it, right? It was. And this is my third time watching it. OK. We came to this decision because I got you to watch Whiplash, and you really liked it. And I was like, oh, Natalie Portman, Mila Kunis,
00:01:28
Speaker
and it's kinda in a similar vein. He'll probably like this. Well... Y'all's about to find out. The casting really had me sold. ah The first time I saw this was February 2022 and then I've watched it two more times since and i my most recent watch I think went the best for me. So this is like a once a year watch for you?
00:01:53
Speaker
Well funny you asked all 2023 I didn't watch it and apparently I've watched it twice this year. So oh well, I mean it goes almost over I don't remember watching This it says I watch it's a letterbox has that I watched this January 13th of this year and I don't remember watching it That was a wall a long time ago, but that's like January is basically 2023. So yeah Anyways, no physical media pickups this week. Sorry guys But email us your physical media pickups. Yeah, please do it. Set us a picture. um All right, so we'll get into it.
Plot and Character Analysis
00:02:31
Speaker
Again, if you haven't seen this movie, it's been out for 15 years almost. Damn, this is a spoiler alert, spoiler alert. We are going scene by scene as we normally do. I will read you the cast list first. Natalie Portman plays Nina Sayers, AKA the Swan Queen.
00:02:51
Speaker
Mila Kunis plays Lily or the Black Swan. Vincent Castle, this dude I've seen in like, I think he was on Gotham. He looked very familiar.
00:03:07
Speaker
They don't have what he was. They don't have his TV shows on here. These stupid bitches that know we love you letterboxed, but anyways, he looked very familiar. And his name in this movie is Thomas Leroy, but you don't really hear his name till the end of the film. And it's like Thomas, which makes sense for his character. He's like, is he French? Sure. He's yeah. Yeah. He's a guy. He's a dude. I don't like him. He's a guy though.
00:03:34
Speaker
We got Barbara Hershey, shout out Hershey's. Give me the Hershey's squirts.
00:03:41
Speaker
She plays Erica Sayers, Winona Ryder, which watched this movie again and I was like, where the fuck was she? I didn't even see her. I didn't recognize her. Yeah, she's older and she's really not in the movie for very long. Oh, she plays, she's playing Beth?
00:03:58
Speaker
Yeah, dude. What? Yeah. All right. Well, anyways, she plays Beth McIntyre. And I don't think Sebastian Stane in this movie is one of the male ballet dancers didn't recognize him. And I think it's all we basically want to want to shout out here. It's pretty much the whole cast right there. that's that Those are the important people. Yeah. All right. So scene by scene recap.
00:04:27
Speaker
I'm like, oh, so excited, slash curious to hear what you have to say about this film. So the opening of Black Swan is Nina doing by the way, the name Nina dumb. Now, like it either sounds like Nina, Nina. I'm just going to bully this bitch. She's doing the bal ballet.
00:04:56
Speaker
She's doing the the swan the swan dance. it's called The ballet is called something, which I wrote down here at some point. And she a male dancer appears, and he kind of turns into like ah the black swan. You look like a shadow guy. Like a bird. Because that him for a minute, his like face has like the mask on. You had a little beak going.
Psychological Themes and Character Breakdown
00:05:22
Speaker
Yeah. Give you a little beak action.
00:05:26
Speaker
kind of look like yours. Oh, Black Swan. It's called Swan Lake. The the the play is called Swan Lake. I'm just retarded. Sorry, guys. Cut that. And it fades to black and we cut to Nina laying in bed, aka Natalie Portman. And it was all a dream. But she wakes up and she's Like very pleasant about it. It was not a nightmare. It was like, uh, she enjoyed the dream. Right. And she's greeted by her mother. She's already like, she's in her room, but her mother's already in there. And she's like, Oh, it was a different choreography than what it normally is. And she caught it. She said that's like the prologue, which just want to shout out my mom's new Honda prologue while we're here.
00:06:09
Speaker
Hey, shout out. Glad she finally figured out how to work it. Who knows? Nina's mom serves her breakfast, which is a grapefruit. It's just a grapefruit. You know what they do with grapefruits, right? Yeah, I've seen that video.
00:06:30
Speaker
And this is where, like,
00:06:35
Speaker
the this scene this conversation between her between Nina's mother and her is interesting to me because you can start to see that the mother is kind of overbearing and uh they say well Nina tells her mother he promised to feature me more this season and they always refer to Touma as like he not like by his name, which I think means something. It's kind of in the summer vein of like whiplash when Andrew's talking to his father and it's like, Oh, he noticed me or he saw me play. It's just like a, they're like on such like a high level that you don't even have to say his name. You know who you're talking about. Right? It's like, it's pedestally put them on and.
00:07:20
Speaker
um her mother notices a small rash on her back and at this point the movie is very very small it's just like a little blemish and Nina dismisses it she's like it's nothing just leave me alone and we follow Nina to the ballet the studio I guess you'd call it there you go I think it's a studio and it's a big-ass place though it's like Anyways, it's like a gymnasium type thing. All right. No, with that. That doesn't pay electricity bill. No, it's not that.
00:07:52
Speaker
ah Nina notices someone getting off the train, and I think she thinks it's like her. Like it's like a copy of herself. There's a lot of instances. There's a lot of instances like that in this movie where she constantly sees herself.
00:08:10
Speaker
So you realize like this whole movie, we're going to get into it obviously, but like this whole movie is her having like a psychological breakdown, right?
Identity Struggles and Rivalries
00:08:16
Speaker
That's like the whole point of this movie. Yes. Okay. And we cut to her and like the makeup.
00:08:24
Speaker
room her dress the dressing room we'll call it and like i guess all the dancers are like corralled into one dancing room and then like the the main swan queen who at the time is beth has like their their own their own dressing room and all the girls are talking shit you know like ballet's day who the fuck even watches ballet anymore which is kind of valid I mean, I think it's a dying art, right? If it was that I mean, if it was dying in 2010, it's dead in 2024. Right. I don't know. I kind of put um like ballet and orchestra kind of like in the same art form. You shut your. ah Oh, theres a no. OK. Same art form. But I enjoy orchestra more like when it comes to telling a story. Ballet does nothing for me, you know, but like orchestra, I can feel it more.
00:09:16
Speaker
So Hans Zimmer is going on tour. and he's He's doing a show at ah TD Garden. And do you know how much like nosebleeds were? They were like seven hundred dollars. I mean, this man, all this man does is make music for like the most iconic movies and he's going on tour just to perform the music. Seven hundred dollars for nosebleeds.
00:09:41
Speaker
Yeah, like like sit in the back of TD Garden because I wanted to go. No, I'm not going. i obviously I obviously wanted to go, but it was just way too expensive. and so Yeah, so ballet is dead and Beth's too old to perform ah the swan queen part. and Nina says that it's sad and you know she thinks Beth's a beautiful dancer and they're just like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:10:08
Speaker
Yeah, like this old hag is washed. Yeah, fucking washed up. Step aside and. Right
Climactic Transformation and Conclusion
00:10:16
Speaker
after this is when the lady from the train appears in the dressing room and we meet Lily, who is Mila Kunis. God. I mean, Mila Kunis is iconic. I love her so much. She's great. She should be cut to a group. It's like a group exercise of sorts. And this is so much like whiplash again of like Tomah appears, they all like stop. yeah And they're like, right, keep going. So. Stop. Okay, keep going. Right before Tomah appears, he comes in this door. ah The lady who's instructing them walks by Nina and she's like, oh, you do great. You know, like you're doing great. You're amazing. And at this point, when Tomah walks
Final Thoughts and Ratings
00:11:01
Speaker
through the door, we still don't know his name.
00:11:03
Speaker
But I think it's done intentionally. Again, he's just like this god-like figure in Nina's eyes. And as soon as he walks in, they all stop. Nobody looks at him. Again, whiplash vibes. And he gives like a hug and a kiss to the instructor and then he cues him to keep going. So he goes on this spiel about what the swan dance is about and how it's,
00:11:31
Speaker
the This lady got turned into a swan and to break her curse, she needs the kiss of true love, which is kind of gay, but that's what it is. It's pretty generic. That's why ballet is doing it. yeah You think those ah male ballet dancers are gay or are they just there for the puss? I mean, you can make the same argument about cheerleading, right? Are they gay or are they just there for the puss? That's true. Because there was this one kid, my sister did competitive cheerleading, as you already know,
00:12:00
Speaker
ah And there was this one kid that was 1000% straight We walk out wearing like the cheerleading get up. You're like, that's kind of gay, bro But but then he would do all these flips and shit. You're like, that's all a pretty cool, dude Like you could do those flips. Yeah, i I mean, yeah, that's true. It takes talent. I'm not you know, I'm not shitting on it Absolutely. No, we're not we're just saying it's a little gay. That's all So He walks in, no one looked at him, cues them to keep going. ah Nina gets a peek at him through her like a mirror as ballet studios have. And again, he's telling them the the white swan needs a kiss to, you know, break her curse. And the black swan steals that true love from her. So the white swan kills herself. And that's the end of the play. But it's longer and more dramatic than that.
00:12:59
Speaker
Yeah, man just spoils the whole fucking play. Like, thanks, dude. Spoiler alert. Well, but I mean, they need to know what they're doing, right? I don't know. Also, I guess the black the the swan dance is kind of iconic. we're not We're not cultured like that. That's what my fiance said. She she knew about it because she used to do dance. Makes sense. Yeah. That's kind of gay.
00:13:25
Speaker
Oh, so the last part that I forgot to mention is like there's a Tomah makes a makes a point to be like there's a when the whites want kills herself, she finds like freedom in the suicide.
00:13:39
Speaker
and uh fucked up message, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Very. Yeah. Kind of fucked up. But also he says ah like we were talking about how it's iconic. He was like, yeah, I know we've done this before. Like people, ballet companies have done this before, but we're going to do it differently and it's going to be more visceral and and real. And now that, that Beth is no longer the swan queen or performing as a swan queen, he's looking for a new one. And he says, I'm looking for a new swan queen. Like he's not just like, oh, I'm looking for them for the part. Right. so This is method acting inside method acting. Him saying that is very telling. Right. So he goes around and he just taps people on the shoulder. You don't know what it means, but Nina doesn't get tapped. And he's like, I'm looking for someone that can that can dance both the black and the white swan. Then he says that anyone who didn't get tapped are invited to an audition.
00:14:39
Speaker
somewhere and We cut to Nina sit like she's like sitting down stretching or something. Yeah, she you know Work them gams hey it Yeah work. Yeah And there she hears a commotion like off in the distance not far But she walks over and it's Beth's dressing room and Beth's just like pissed. She's like breaking everything. Yeah, like don't break shit dog And you know Flappy, you know, it's fine This is But it's Winona Ryder, she couldn't have been that flappy. yeah right That's why I'm like, what? like How does Winona Ryder make sense for Beth? And she storms out of her room, and she's kind of like, what the fuck you looking at? Yeah. And this was interesting. and Nina walks in and like takes her stuff. Yeah. She like takes her lipstick and takes like her nail file. And I guess it's like perfume. I don't know what it is. a little
00:15:38
Speaker
a little jar or something, a little vial of something. And it's like, you really wanna be her, huh? Yeah, commitment to the bit. ah Is it commitment to the bit or just straight jealousy? No, I think that she, that it's not jealousy because she's, well, I mean, I guess there's some sort of envy to it, but I think the more the motivation is like she wants to be her and just wants to be like the best,
00:16:06
Speaker
balllet like this to me to her, this part is like the pinnacle of her career. yeah We cut to the tryout and Leroy, I'm gonna call him Leroy, sorry. That's why I wrote my notes. Leroy, he's nodding and she finishes rehearsing this part and he goes, yeah, you know, if you were only doing the white swan, you'd be amazing. You'd be a lock. He's like, but I gotta see you dance the black swan. And Nina's like very, I wrote textbook like,
00:16:36
Speaker
very much by the book, exact technique of how to do ballet. And Leroy's whole point during this whole movie is like the black swan is like you just trying to lose yourself in the music and like feel it. Yeah, like Eminem. Yeah,
00:16:53
Speaker
ah yeah you got to lose yourself, dog. Fuck, that's good. I didn't think of that. And she starts doing the black swan dance and she's like spinning.
00:17:07
Speaker
And she hears the door open and it's Lily who is Mina Kunis, Mila Kunis. And she's just, and she's like, Oh, I'm just from, so that throws Nina off. She's like falls over or something. And Lily's like, yeah, I'm just here to fill a spot. But she's also in this studio auditioning for the Squan Queen part, I'd imagine. Sure.
00:17:31
Speaker
We cut to Nina. She's in a bathroom throwing up, which she does this a couple of times during the film. Yeah. ah You know, it's all about image, right? So right. So yeah then she's walking down like a little corridor scaffolding underneath a building and she sees a woman walking towards her. And at this scene, Nina wears like all like light pink vibes.
00:17:56
Speaker
And this lady coming towards her is wearing like all black. And at first I was like, oh, it's a Lily. And then it turns out she just sees herself walking back at her. And that's like, i'll she's like, what the fuck was that? And then she she gets home and this is pretty good acting by Natalie Portman, which we wouldn't expect any less. But sure.
00:18:19
Speaker
You know, mom the mom is like how to go. and She was fine. And then she just can't hold back any tears. And she just starts like sobbing like yeah like a pussy wagon winter. And knew it was coming.
00:18:32
Speaker
No, I mean. She cries and she's like a week. She's she's very I don't want to say weak, but like just sensitive in the beginning of this film. Yeah, she's she's very portrayed as like the definition of innocent.
00:18:48
Speaker
Yeah, she is innocent. Yeah. Then Nina is like in her room doing whatever and she hears over here is her mom in the other room saying that no one has it like Beth and no one can bring best magic, which is again to your point like the jealousy vibe. Yeah, she just wants to embody her. She's obsessed with this role and Beth's iteration of it. We cut to.
00:19:11
Speaker
Nina practicing her spins in a mirror. Is this in her house or is this like at a studio? I thought it was in her house. Me too. Okay. So it looked like a very small enclosed space. Right. So she's doing some spins and she splits her toenail. This was nasty. This is like, yeah, I mean, that's why I don't get we'll get into it. Right. So This is gnarly. A couple movies, not a couple. More than a couple movies have done the peel your toenail off your toe thing. But this was gnarly to me. I don't like nail things either. No. Eyes and nails. I don't do those. The cuticle thing later. Oh, your worst fear. That was rough. And they just show it to you. Even I was like wincing and looking away there. So she blames her toenail split on Lily barging in during her rehearsal. Get the fuck out of here.
00:20:05
Speaker
And the mom's like, well, you know you could get the other, what'd you call it? The big swan? She's like, whatever you get, you can you'll you'll shine no matter what. Yeah, if you get the big John. The big John. She's like, that'll be good enough. Fuck that shit. I'm on the top, mom. Nina is motivated to get to the top, and I respect that. Sure. So we follow her again. ah We follow Nina going to rehearsal. She's in the subway. Oh, also.
00:20:33
Speaker
Her mom tucked her in the bed. Right. She's like 35. Why are you being tucked in to bed? Do you think Nina is 35 in this? I don't think Nina is character. I mean, not important. It's definitely like 35 in this, but like. So I i actually googled it ah when she was filming it. She's 28, but still. Yeah, it's too much. Why are you getting tucked in by mommy? That's the point. Her mother is like way, way, way. wait so You know what this kind of gives me vibes of?
00:21:03
Speaker
Just the mother-daughter relationship is Carrie. Big Carrie vibes, for sure. And she's on the subway, and she's putting on best lipstick. Again, she wants to be her. The little red rifle comes out. Ay, yo. She walks into the studio, and she asks to talk to Leroy, Tomah.
00:21:28
Speaker
And this is so funny. She's like, yeah, I finished Dakota all the way through. And he's looking at her like, yeah, so the fuck you doing here? big what bro You want to fight about it?
00:21:44
Speaker
And he. They have a conversation and basically she's like, well, you know, I came here. to ask for the part. And he's like, well, I already chose Veronica where Veronica is. And then she just kind of like looks down at disappointment and he's like, you're not going to try to change my mind. And Leroy goes on again to say, you can only play the white swan. You're not very good at the black swan. You haven't lost yourself. He's been, we learned here that they've been working together for four years and he's never seen our loser self and
00:22:19
Speaker
He starts making out with her. And I'm guessing she's going along with this because she wants the part. Shout out Harvey Weinstein. And don't- She's Harvey Weinstein. We've already been over this. Harvey Weinstein's a dude that made actors and actors like suck them off to get good parts. He was like a very famous producer. Oh, right. Yeah, okay. And so she's making out with him and then she bites him. He gets pissed. He's like, what the fuck, you bit me? Charlie bit me.
00:22:50
Speaker
See, I still took this as, you know, sexual assault. um Yeah, I mean, all of it is, of course, I'm not saying it's not. She definitely didn't like it, but she did it because she had to. Right. Yeah, absolutely. So she leaves the office and she sees Veronica and she tells Veronica, hey,
00:23:19
Speaker
Congrats, you got the part or just hey congrats and this girl This girl walked by and she's like, oh yeah, the the listings up the casting is up and Veronica goes to lug and she comes back and she's like it's kind of fucking sick joke. Yeah, she's fucking heated
00:23:40
Speaker
So I try to write, is this a sick joke? And autocorrect put tells her tits a sick joke. so and She's like just looking at her tits. You're like, yeah, sick I know those are fake. They're not fake. They're too small. Yeah. She was. She was. Fuck you. she was fuck you and Nina walks over and all these people are congratulating her and Leroy has picked her to play the part of the swan queen even though he just said you don't got it girl and she runs to the bathroom in a stall and she crawl she calls her as she calls her mother mommy and she's like he picked me mommy
00:24:28
Speaker
And she walks out of the the stall and there's this whore written on the mirror in like makeup. And we follow Nina home and she's looking for her mother and she peaks her head into the into her mother's room. There's just like paintings of her, Nina. And yeah, all over is really disturbing. It's a little weird, but her mother is absolutely obsessed with her.
00:24:58
Speaker
And Nina notices a scratch on her back again, and it's getting worse. the She's in the bathroom when she notices this, and the mom calls out for Nina, and immediately Nina like barricades the bathroom door with a piece of furniture. And she's like, yeah, I'll be out in a minute. And this is really dramatic, but to me, believable.
00:25:24
Speaker
The mom was out getting her a cake because she got the part and he doesn't want to eat it because she's bulimic And then i'm like, yeah, i'll just throw it out then Yeah, she's like, oh you're not uh, okay. I get it. You're not just throw it out. You're not thankful for this cake. Okay, i'll throw it out And she's like, no, wait, wait, wait, don't throw it out And then she sucks some frosting off her mom's finger. Oh, yeah, that was really hot No, no, it was not hot We're back at rehearsal Leroy you know, is watching her performing again, says he says she's great, but she needs to see he needs to see that he calls it a metamorphosis into the evil twin. She's just very good at doing this white swan and does not do. Any any black swan, he says, give more of that bite, and that's like a wink, wink, like, were you bit me before 30 bits, you bit me.
00:26:17
Speaker
And then she's doing some one-on-one training with some random, random trainer. And. We cut to Lily walking into another rehearsal and she's kind of standing off to the side and she sees Lily practicing. I guess this is the black swan part. I don't know. Yeah. But Lila, leave boy. Leroy, Lila shout out to it. We should review it for the pod. I agree.
00:26:44
Speaker
Leroy kind of walks up behind her little creep and he's like, do you see how she's like precise, but not careless and how like he's basically like, she's better. Yeah. He's really like sucking her off at doing the blacks one. So Nina, because she won the part, she gets Beth's dressing room. So it's basically like that's moving out and she's moving in. And, uh, there's all these flowers from, from Tomah. This is the first time in the film they mentioned his name.
00:27:12
Speaker
Because the lady's like, oh, all these flowers are from Tama. Or she says Thomas Lee or whatever the fuck she says. And. We cut to this really nice party, very like rich people vibes. Oh, yeah. Classy joint. Everybody's in like tuxes dresses like is this at his house or is it at the. No, I think it's somewhere in.
00:27:39
Speaker
It's not at his house because afterwards he invites her back. Oh, yeah. Right. I don't know whose house is that, but it's a nice ass little joint they got there. Yeah. And Leroy is walking her through the crowd. And he's like, listen, I need you to smile and act pretty because we need their cash. They're going to be sponsoring this.
00:28:04
Speaker
whole, whole venture, basically. Leroy announces Nina as the swan queen and Nina thinks she notices Lily giggling off to the side, like when he says it. And then as lee Leroy is giving this big ass speech and she like looks down and her finger has like a blister that's like popped. I don't know. Some blood action.
00:28:28
Speaker
Right. And then we hear Leroy say that Beth's retiring and, you know, he gives her all her flowers, but she ain't fucking having it. So this is the cuticle scene we were talking about. Nina runs off to the bathroom and her cuticles all fucked up and she goes to peel the little part off and she peels down her whole fucking finger. Literally like to her knuckle. And it was like, oh, gross. I was like, uh, uh,
00:28:57
Speaker
She tries to wash it with like water. And someone but starts banging on the door and she looks at her hand and it's gone. So again, she's having like a break down. She had a mental breakdown. And, you know, Nina's like in a minute and she's trying to like figure out her her situation with her cuticle there. What the fuck is going on? What's wrong with me? Yeah.
00:29:24
Speaker
And she opened the door and it's Lily who Lily just like drops her panties. I wish Mila Kunis would take off her panties near me. Okay. I just want to sniff them. All right.
00:29:46
Speaker
Leaving it all out there, dude. I'm going to fuck.
00:29:52
Speaker
And Nina's like, you know, I better get back out there. And again, Nina's wearing like all white and Liz wearing all black again. And Lily's like, let's just chill in the bathroom. And she's like, nah, I gotta get back out there, sorry. And she's like, come on, don't go. And Nina dips. We follow Leroy and Nina out of the party and he's like, oh, why don't you come back to my place?
00:30:16
Speaker
And he gets pulled away when they're about to leave to go ask his as he calls it some more. There's some person that wants to talk to him. So he walks away and best during the statue. I didn't really catch on to the meaning of this, but it kind of looks like a black swan. And not a jump scare, but that just kind of appears out of nowhere. And she's like, what'd you do to get it? that Get the roll. You suck his dick. Yeah. You fucking whore. She's pissed.
00:30:42
Speaker
I was like, whoa, Winona. OK, come a little fierce.
00:30:48
Speaker
And she's a she's ripping into Nina and Nina doesn't really deserve it. But Leroy walks over and breaks breaks it up. And Leroy's like, hey, relax. We're not doing this now. We go back to Leroy's place and he's like, you know.
00:31:06
Speaker
I want there to be no boundary between this whole scene was kind of fucking weird. Yeah, I don't like this. Well, it's not that I didn't like this scene. I didn't like what was happening in the scene. Yeah, it's it makes you uncomfortable. Yeah, for sure. You know, he asks if she if she's had any boyfriends and she says she had a fiance and he's like, are you a virgin? And she's like, what? So do you enjoy making love? And she's like, what? And he's like, we we have to be able to talk about this.
00:31:35
Speaker
And he tells her, he's like, all right, this is your homework. Go home and touch yourself. That was fucking strange, man. I don't know. To me, she's so rigid. Like, if I don't, if I don't beat my meat after a while, I get pretty like, you know what I mean? You kind of start seeing, so you you kind of start seeing your cuticles rip up down your hand. But like, this is a very odd way of trying to tell her to bust out of her shell.
00:32:05
Speaker
Oh, 100%. Way too rapey. Well, you could argue that the ballet in itself is kind of a sensual thing. Sure. Right. It's very romantic. Yeah. I mean, this is the the beginning of the rapey vibe. We're not even there. We're not even close. Right.
00:32:28
Speaker
And he's like, go, go pick your meat. Well, not pick your meat, but.
00:32:36
Speaker
And. She gets home and her mom is home and I was like, wow, Nina didn't even let her mother go to her being announced that she earned the part. It's like a big moment. Yeah. If you'd ever want your parent around, it would be for for that for something big like that. Yeah.
00:32:52
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and the mom wants to help her get her dress off but she's like no because Nina knows the rash still on her back and but the mom sees and still freaks out and she drags her to the bathroom and this scene made me very uncomfortable as well who is cutting fingernail with a scissor oh I know dude. Oh and she and you like I've seen this three times. So I knew it was coming But when she cuts her finger are you I was like, oh Anything with fingertips is like yeah. Oh, yeah, and especially you like you probably like you know how sensitive your fingertips are from working in the Kitchen industry my fingers having those more. There's no more. There's no more something I mean not no more film, but like I'm pretty numbed. I But like, I don't know. Can we invest in some nail clippers, please? Maybe. I mean, you really are on a a big production. You have the money to do it. Right. I'll send you some. We cut to Nina laying in bed and she kind of like debates, touching herself and then she does it and then she gets into it. She's like, she's like a town. Rubbin, rubbin, rubbin flips onto her stomach arching her back, going to town.
00:34:06
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and hot du i don't have to tell you No, it's hot until Yeah, she looks over and her mom is sleeping in a chair in her room But how long has your mom been there for? She's got a bit. I think she was there the whole night, right? Did she envision that? I think it was real. There's no way Nina starts beating her meat right next to her mother if Nina fell asleep, right? When she wakes up to do the do, she doesn't look over there. You know, she just kind of goes straight into it. Was she is asleep? I thought we just cut to her laying in bed. No, I'm pretty sure it was the next morning. All right. I'm taking it as her mom was a vision. I don't think her mom was actually there. There's absolutely no way I don't buy it. I was taking it as they both fell asleep and her mom was sleeping in her bedroom, but she didn't know it.
00:35:01
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Yes, if you like hides under to the blanket like she's gonna just go away but then they just cut so we don't know what happened with that. They're at rehearsal and this girl runs in sobbing and bets in the hospital and ah Leroy tells Nina like oh she walked into the street and got hit by a car and he's like I think he was on purpose. yeah Of course it was on purpose. duh And Nina asked Leroy if it was right after they saw her that night when Beth was like chewing out Nina, not in that sense, but. How you doing? Leroy was like, yeah, don't blame yourself. And she goes to visit Beth in the hospital, leaves her some flowers, and she's looking under the little blanket. And her leg is fucked up. Some good practical effects here. Her leg looks gnarly. Shouldn't they have like sewn this up?
00:35:53
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It's like an open wound. I'm not a doctor. I don't know. Yeah, it was. But it was gnarly. Yeah. And she starts like backing up and she bumps into the nurse and there's like the fuck you doing? I get the fuck out of here, dude. Like. Yeah. And she we just cut like it just cuts her crying in the dressing room like she's fucking distraught over this.
00:36:14
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And then she's taking out the trash and she finds this piece of wood by the garbage chute. She lives in like in a high rise apartment. So it's like a little trash chute, John. And she wants to use it to wedge her door closed, but then her mom like starts calling for her and she just quickly like cancels that and throws it under the bed and like lays in her bed.
00:36:40
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And then I don't think there's conversation here, but we just kind of cut to rehearsal. Yeah, that's what I had. And again, it's just Homawe and like, you gotta like, oh, dude, you're not, you're just too rigid, you're too structured. And she's, it cuts to a a physical therapist working on her ribs. And she's like, you got a contraction of some kind, or I don't know what it was, but she's got something wrong with her ribs. And she just yanks on her ankle. You know, like cracks.
00:37:11
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You ever have that done by a physical therapist? No, but when I was watching this, I looked over at my fiance and I was like, I really kind of need this done. I don't know if I buy any of this stuff. Does that actually work? Is it fake? No, from what I've heard it, uh, like, uh, a lot of like the WWE wwe people, I watched them on like their YouTube channels and they're like going and getting it done, uh, by this one dude. And they say that it's really helping. Like they're gaining like more mobility. They can like move their arm back further, move their leg farther.
00:37:42
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Just for the listener, Joe just raised his hand. what No. Cause I've tried, cause like I've been thinking about this. Like I can't really. I can't really move my arm back. Like it's stiff up in here. You know, I mean, if you want to get, I'm not going to stop you, but back where, like where are you putting that arm? Sorry. No, like when I do this, yeah, I can't really like.
00:38:06
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ah you can't go like that no yeah so i think i need some work done i need someone yo if anybody knows a good like you know pt pt you know chiropractor or anything let me know because i'm trying to get stretched trying to get yanked come on yank me dog have you seen the the pet ones today you were like dogs ah that's scary no we're not doing that that's fake if someone made that shit up someone decided i'm gonna try doing physical therapy on a dog, and somebody didn't kill the dog and was like, I'm gonna do this all the time now. Yeah, no. I wouldn' i would never let them do that to Nick. I'm just saying.
00:38:45
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No. So our ankle gets yanked. More rehearsal, and this is funny. Leroy asked the male dancer, which maybe this one's Sebastian Stan, who knows. His name is David, and he's like, would you fuck that girl? And he was just kind of like,
00:39:01
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No, I didn't want to say it, but no, she's too frigid, frigid, rigid, not frigid. I wrote that auto corrected me again. That bitch cold, huh? That bitch cold as ice. The lights turn out into mud like you.
00:39:18
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We're still working in here. Hey. ah The lights get turned back on and this is, I'm guessing you hate this scene too. This is yikes. Leroy's like, all right, everybody get the fuck out. And Nina goes to leave. He's like, you stay here. And he's like, I'm going to play the Prince part, the, the male part that David was just playing. And she's sus and.
00:39:46
Speaker
You know, they started doing this ballet and there's a lot of groping and kissing going on from Leroy's end. Groping is a... I wrote groping. I mean, we can say it. He was rubbing her pussy. and Straight up. But she was into it. She was moaning by the end of it. She was, ah but i think I still think this would be classified as sexual assault. I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying she was into it. Quit pro quo.
00:40:17
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quid a pro tells he's like oh this feels I wrote a lot more than I said he he tries to start kissing her and he's like open your mouth oh no and ah eventually she does yes and fucking yams his tongue down shit dude She was really feeling it at this point. And he just stops like ice cold. And he goes, he goes I seduced you, but your part is to seduce me. And he just walks away. And she's pretty upset. Now, I know this would make basically everybody uncomfortable. And it made me uncomfortable. It is the third time watching it, I was uncomfortable.
00:41:10
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but
00:41:13
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While what he's doing is not right, the same way while what Fletcher did in Whiplash is not right, by the end, does it make her better as a dancer? Technically, yes. Which is the point of this movie?
00:41:33
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Sure. I'm not saying it's okay what he did. Just the same way I'm not saying it's okay that Fletcher called Neiman a Patty McCracker. Fuck. that's just like I'm not saying any of it's okay. I'm just saying it's kind of the point of the movie. I get it. I'm just saying like I would rather be physically ah assaulted than sexually assaulted. Sure. That's fair. Yeah. I don't want anybody touching my pooper.
00:42:02
Speaker
No wonder, hey, no one mentioned anything about touching poopers. Well, if we were going to be sexually assaulted. Either yank it on my yank it on my chain or your finger in my ass. Which don't do that. I mean, I've had it done, but I paid this lady $90. See if I had have any of it up there.
00:42:21
Speaker
Shut up preparation. It was it was the not just anybody. All right. It was a doctor. okay what You said. Shout out Preparation H. Is that what it's called? Oh, yeah, I got those on deck. Hey, sponsor us. Yeah, please. So Leroy walks out. She's pissed. She's crying. Lily walks in and they share a sig, which I think was very out of character for Nina to be smoking a cigarette. Absolutely. But I mean, if you get sexually assaulted, I guess a cigarette is the next move. Right. Because I guess they relieve anxiety, right? I don't know. I've never done that.
00:42:57
Speaker
I neither of I but this is the beginning Lily kind of shows Lily kind of brings out Nina's black swan energy I guess if you call it is and so here's my thing right yeah was it Lily bringing it out or is she starting to get ah mentally broken from what just happened to her I think it's both because
00:43:28
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because Lily, like, you know, after this, they have that, they go out to the bar, which Nina would never do. And also part of it's like a inner rebellion against her mother, obviously. Cause I'm like, you have to stay here. And she's like, no, I'm fucking leaving. So I think it's, it's, it's all in the mix. It's just all kind of, yeah, I just think, but without the sexual assault, I don't think any of this would transpire. Do you agree?
00:43:55
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Um Maybe not as soon as it would have happened, but I think eventually at some point in time Nina would have got sick of Her mother being as overbearing. She already is sick of it. Yeah, I think at at some point she would have broke with that and been like i'm getting out Right. I think at least that at least that happens, but I don't think it would be to this extreme I mean there also is the and we'll get into this a little bit later there also is the competitive edge of it of like She thinks Lily's trying to take her part. And there's that. Maybe it's not that it's extreme. Yeah. I mean, maybe she wouldn't have a full-blown mental breakdown, but she'd definitely be like fucking schizophrenic. I don't know. Maybe like a normal rebellion. Like she's going through her teenage rebellious years later in life. They're sitting in the studio having a cig. Leroy has left. And Nina gets upset because Lily calls him a prick.
00:44:52
Speaker
And she's like, come on, he's not like all you know fucking rainbows and butterflies or whatever. And Nina's like, well, you don't know him. And she just gets up and leaves. so I mean, this is very like brainwashing.
00:45:06
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It is. She's brainwashed. Absolutely. We cut to Nina in the tub, and she starts touching herself in the tub. What was the last time you took a tub? Took a tub? Yeah. Like a bath in a tub? Yeah.
00:45:22
Speaker
Oh, do you call it taking a bath? Yeah. Oh, my parents always call it taking a tub. That's odd. Yeah, I'm just realiz i'm realizing now it is. Taking a bath? Yeah. Oh, boy. How old am I? 26. Probably 10.
00:45:39
Speaker
I got some pretty bad poison. I'd be like last year. Okay. And I was like, I just sat in a tub with like the oatmeal johns, the vino shit. Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. Just try Epson salts.
00:45:53
Speaker
Okay. Um, for next time I get poison ivy. Right. I hope i know. I heard Epson salts are good for hemorrhoids. So I should probably try that, huh? Is that like a suppository or do you just sit in the tub? No, you fill the water up and you like pour it in the water and you mix the water and it like in the water or you sit in the water. Yeah. Do you got to like open your, your bowl? No, I think while you're in there, maybe it just kind of goes up there, but I'm just saying it's good for a lot of things, aches and pains, poison ivy, stuff like that.
00:46:24
Speaker
Epson salt sponsor us It's not a brand well sponsor us. Anyways, please give us give us shit and Anyway, she's masturbating in the tub while she's taking a bath and she goes underwater and these drops of blood hit like the top of the the bath and She just sees Beth on top of her And she like freaks out and like comes up and obviously it's all a figment of her imagination. And her, they show her rash getting a lot worse. Anyways, her scratch is getting worse. Her snatch. Her snatch. Maybe her snatch is getting worse too, I don't know. Yeah. More rehearsal and it just kind of shows, it's like you're, like diagonally behind Nina and you just kind of see her practicing and Leroy sitting in this chair watching and he's just not moved by any of it. And he just keeps going again, again, again. It is so crazy to me that they have, I wonder if actual ballet studios do this though. A guy and another guy just playing piano and violin or they just did this for dramatic effect. I don't know. It's like, yeah, I'm just coming in to play this over and over.
00:47:48
Speaker
Well, I guess because if you're like redoing the part over and over again, right, how would you know like your cues and everything? That's fair. Right. Like you're kind of going along to the tempo of the music. I think you could figure out as far as like a digital solution, like, all right, at 30 seconds is where this thing starts. Yeah. Okay. Again, why not my tempo, but.
00:48:13
Speaker
Not my tempo. ah So she he goes again, and she starts doing this part again, and she just stops. And she's like, can I get some kind of corrections? And Leroy, out of pocket, he's like, Lilly told me you were whining, complaining about me. And she's like, I was defending you, basically. She's like, I didn't complain or anything. And he goes, you should be great, but you're a coward, and you're so fucking weak. And he's like, again.
00:48:43
Speaker
do it again. And she pulls Lily away, and she's like, why the fuck would you say that to him? And Lily's kind of like, yeah, i'm I was wrong. I should have done that. But she did it. Fake ass friend right there. Yeah. And then ah this weird scene of Nina riding home on the subway, this man, it starts out as cat calling.
00:49:06
Speaker
Yeah, but then he's home. He's just starts jerking his rod on the chain on the train is so on the chain. Homie just starts jerking his rod on the train. Is this cock out or there just like air jerking it? think I think it's easier. I thought he's air jerking himself, like just kind of like. Oh, I thought his hand was in his pants. Oh, maybe that happens to go into town. Probably. But is that in her mind or is that real? I'm going to go with it's real and this guy's a fucking freak.
00:49:36
Speaker
If this movie takes place in New York City, it's probably real. It's probably real. Yeah. ah We cut to ah Nina's apartment and well, it's Nina's mother's apartment and her mom is worried that Leroy is taking advantage. And she's like, I don't want you to take this, make the same mistakes that I made in my career. And Nina goes, what career? She hard and she was like you're too old you know you were too old anyways and mom wants to see Nina's rash and they're about to like get into a physical art altercation and that is the mom wants to look at the rash right and then yeah and her mom answers the door if you didn't get that there's a doorbell or a door knock and it's the mom answers the door
00:50:31
Speaker
And she goes, oh, Nina's not here right now, and closes the door. And you don't know who it is. You just see the mother's back. And Nina's like, well, who was that? And mom was like, it's no one. She's like, no, fuck you. She's drawn to that side. And it's Lily. And she's like, how'd you figure out where I live? And Lily's real weird. She's like, I have my ways. That's a concern. And she's like, nah, Susie from the office gave it to me.
00:51:00
Speaker
And she's like, yeah, I just wanted to, uh, you know, apologize. I was at a line, whatever, whatever. It's like, let's, let's go out for like food or drinks. And the mom is just standing in the door the whole time. Like you have to go to bed. You have, you're on stage tomorrow. Yeah. Like we shut the fuck up, mom. you' got it But at the same time, you're right, mom. Even Lily's like, that's a little much, huh? Yeah. And also the lady at the studio, why are you just giving people's addresses out?
00:51:30
Speaker
Yeah, it is crazy. I don't know. I don't get that either. That's a safety concern.
00:51:37
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um So Nina goes back in the house and she changes her mind and she's like, no, I'm fucking going out and she leaves. And I think they have like the little arguments like I'm moving out of here soon. She's like, um I got to get the fuck out of here. And they go out for drinks. And this is weird.
00:51:59
Speaker
Lily got a burger and the waiter's like trying to flirt with her. And he's like, is it juicy enough? Ew. And it'll really show you what Nina gets. It's like a salad or something. I don't know what it is. But, ah you know, Nina, Lily's like, oh, does he call you Little Princess? And Nina's like, yeah. And Nina's like, well, he it's only for me. And Lily's like, that's fucking gross that he calls you that. And Nina's like kind of a fended. Like, I don't want to talk about my relationship relationship with Tamani more and uh Lily's like he just needs to relax and she's like he probably just wants to smash and that's it that's how Lily sees that's her perspective same same and uh you know Lily's like you're too uptight you gotta relax and she offers her a pill they don't say what it is and
00:52:58
Speaker
Nina's like, what is it? And she's like, oh, you'll just chill, you know. And she's like, no, I'm not going to take it. And then Lily goes up to the bar to get some drinks. And at some point, she literally gave Nina a black dress.
00:53:15
Speaker
to like change into and she's like, I'm not going to change into this, but then she kind of just changes her mind and she changed into this black dress and while she's in the bathroom changing her mother calls and she's like, nah, I might as well miss. Fuck you, mom, in a flip phone, by the way. So this is 2010 2010.
00:53:33
Speaker
And the ringtone is, by the way, is one like it's what they're performing. I did catch on to that. Yeah. Nina sees Lily spike her drink and we meet these two guys that really met Tom and Tom and Andrew, who she's named Tom and Jerry. Whack that bitch with a mallet or something, you know? And Nina ended up taking the spiked drink anyways, knowing it spiked, which is weird. And Tom or Jerry asked her who she is, and she says she's a dancer. And he's like, bro, I just meant your name. Yeah, I don't care what the fuck you do. I was trying to get some puss. Yeah. And.
00:54:16
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Oh, and she tells, you know, one of them what the play's about, which we've already told you guys. And he's like, that's kind of sad, huh? And he's like, I think it's kind of beautiful. And then there's a Tarrant Fire 2 vibe dancing. Yeah, it's like a rave. Yeah. And she's like, she took some kind of pills. She's feeling herself. And all of a sudden, she kind of snaps out of it. And she's in an alleyway making out with some dude.
00:54:46
Speaker
And she walks, always like, the fuck's your problem? And Lily catches her on the way out, and Nina's like, come on, let's just get out of here. I don't want to be here. Scadaddle. And they're in the back of a cab. And Lily just kind of slowly walks her hand into Nina's snatch. Yeah.
00:55:15
Speaker
and And Nina is like, nah. And Lily kind of laughs at it. And they both go up to Anita's mother's house apartment. And they're like, oh, we snuck in. She doesn't know. And then she just kind of walks in. The mother kind of walks out of the dark. And obviously, she's not happy that she went out. And Nina's like, yeah, I fucked these two guys, Tom and Jerry.
00:55:42
Speaker
Fuck the cat in a mouse. So. ah And she runs off with Lily and she wedges the door with the piece of wood from earlier. And as a whole make out scene, they're getting into it and. Lily, Lily's face turns into Beth's face, it turns into fucking her own face could also be because like now because she's like tripping balls. Yeah.
00:56:12
Speaker
And her skin like turns into like feathers. Like ah it's like if you like if you like feathered a raw chicken. Right. ah And Lily starts eating her out. And then. All of a sudden, her face kind of turns into Nina and she like goes to suffocate her face. And When she wakes up, she, when Nina wakes up, she's like overslept and she's like, the fuck's going on here? And she walked outside. Her mom was just sitting in this chair, like looking out the window and shame, like disappointment, like that Stephen A. Smith meme. My daughter's a dike. And she's like, you didn't wake me up. And she's like, I'm fucking leaving. And we get to the studio and obviously she's late and Lily is dancing her part.
00:57:10
Speaker
And Leroy looks impressed. So she's pissed. I took this as Lily drugged Nina just like to fuck her over and get the part. What a she also took it to. Is that how you took it? ah Kind of. I mean. Because there's there is the end of the movie where she's like, wow, you did really amazing.
00:57:38
Speaker
like at during the performance. Her. What Lily wants to do is kind of ambiguous. It's not really clear if she's a good or bad character, I think. Yeah, she's kind of there. It just the problem is we're watching we're observing Lily through Nina's eyes. Sure. So it's easy for us to just be like, oh, she's a bad person. ah But it bothers me that Nina knew that she spiked the drink and she still took it anyways. Right. So it's also kind of Nina's fault, considering you don't even know like what it was.
00:58:09
Speaker
And considering the the next part is Lily's like, you fucking spiked my drink and you didn't even wake me up the next morning. And she's like, did you have a Lezzy Lezzy wet? Yeah, I did. Mila Kunis. I did. So you that whole shit never even happened. So it's not like Lily was like.
00:58:32
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It's not like Lily was like, ah you know. There woke up and just left her there and like sabotage her. She was just never there with.
00:58:40
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And so Leroy tells Nina to go get stretched out, pause, and she she gets up such rehearsing, and she starts noticing eye contact between Leroy and Lily. And she's not not having it. She goes home, and we see her throwing up in the bathroom. And she goes into her room. And there's that little, what do you call that? A little clock? A little ballet dancer pops out and spins, and it plays. A music box? Yeah, that one.
00:59:11
Speaker
So she throws that out, breaks that shit. I never had one. I never did either. What the fuck? She throws out all like, her room is like very like, it's all like light pink and like very young child vibe. Throws it all out. We cut to a rehearsal on stage and Leroy is coaching Nina through the finale of like,
00:59:36
Speaker
you realize that you're going to be a swan and homeboy stole your love and this is when you kill yourself. And he like kind of coached her through it and she's, it's fine. Uh, then Nina's getting fitted for her, her costume and the Taylor's like, you've lost weight. And this was cool. She like walks away for a minute and the like mirrors on both sides. So it's like a, the reflection just keeps going. Yeah, that was cool.
01:00:07
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and She sees herself in the mirror Scratching herself, but she's not she's not doing anything She's like what the fuck and then right after She finishes getting fitted Lily shows up to get fitted as an alternate. It's like what the fuck I'm about to pull up and fister not fit right and I And she confronts Tomah and this confrontation versus the beginning of the film where she's very like, you know, I just came to ask for the part. She's like. What the fuck, man? Like you're going to like, you're really going to give this bitch and Tomah's like, look, there's always there's always an alternate in every piece. It's not just this one. And he's like, go home and rest. And instead she goes and practices more in a room with a pianist.
01:00:58
Speaker
And she's like, all right, do it again. And he just gets up and leaves. And she's like, where are you going? He's like, I got a life lady, like going home to see my family.
01:01:08
Speaker
And she continues practicing. And in the mirror in the studio, again, she's having some issues seeing herself. And the lights go out again.
01:01:22
Speaker
in the studio and she's like, hello, turn him back on. But she's not really like yelling it. So nothing like never come back on. And she sees like someone kind of like run by. And she decides to follow him. And it is Leroy and Lily go into town. He is pounding the fuck out of her. He is getting into it and his face turns into the black swan swan, the black swan. Yeah.
01:01:51
Speaker
And she just runs away. And um I don't get this move. Her next move is to go see Beth. And she returns her shit. And there's like a jump scare and Beth like grabs her hand. And she's like, the fuck you doing here? And Beth is, Nina tells Beth that Lily's trying to replace her and you don't know what's going on. And then Beth's face turns into Nina's face.
01:02:19
Speaker
and nina Nina's face on Beth just starts stabbing herself in the fucking mouth, like in the cheek, like sideways. It's kind of gross. And obviously Nina runs out and Nina runs home. She gets home while the lights are off, turns them off. And there's the, in her mom's room,
01:02:49
Speaker
there's uh the drawing start talking for her yeah so if you couldn't tell by now she's lost her fucking mind she's off her rocker she's gone and there was a lady in the house she saw somebody and it was her and she chases herself into the bedroom essentially and then it's just her in there and she locks herself In the in her own bedroom. This is pretty gnarly too her eyes get real red and she starts like Feathers start coming out like her her little scratch looks like it's like the fly. Yeah, it's like she's coming out of it now and Her mom is like bang on door trying to get in and her her legs break backwards Like her kneecaps go backwards like a crack the knees dog and she
01:03:42
Speaker
Oh, and while the mom is like breaking the the door and she bashes her mom's hand in the doorway in the doorway, you see her mom just like get her fingers. core rush I mean, fuck fuck her mom, kind of, but at the same time, like she knows that. But also her child's having a mental breakdown. I mean, she's just sure. Her legs break. And because her legs break backwards, she falls over and she smacks her head on the bedpost and She wakes up the next morning and obviously her mother's like sitting on top of her, basically. And she's got socks on her hands and her mom's like, yeah, you were scratching your back all night. And she told Nina, I'd be fucking pissed. The mom called the theaters like, yeah, Nina can't do it. And like today is the day of the performance like she's fucking pissed and heated. And she goes to the door and the door handle is not there. And the mom has hit it somewhere.
01:04:37
Speaker
And Dina grabs her mom's hand that she just crushed in the door the night before, like squeezes it. She's like, where the fuck is the doorknob? but And the mom like, you're not well. And she gets the doorknob and on her way out, she goes, I'm the swan queen. You're the one who never left the core because her mom was also a ballet dancer.
01:04:58
Speaker
And she shows up late, obviously. And, uh, she's in the dressing room getting ready. And tomorrow's like, the fuck's going on. And he's like, the only one standing in your way is you, which is fair, not, not profound, but fair. Like, obviously like she's having a fucking breakdown. And this was also a little gnarly, her, she goes to change her socks and her toes have like all, they yeah they basically turned into a webbed feet, like a, like a swan would have. And let me just say if.
01:05:29
Speaker
Natalie Portman came to me and she was like, suck my toes. And then she pulled her feet out and their webbed toes. I'm probably still doing it.
01:05:41
Speaker
I'm doing it for sure. Oh, okay. Just learning that you have feet fetish. I don't have a foot fetish, but it'd be interesting. You know, how often are you going to be able to suck webbed toes in your life? I don't think I want to. How do you know? You've never tried.
01:05:58
Speaker
That's true, but I don't think I'd, someone would have to like forcibly stick their foot, their web foot in my mouth for me to be like, Oh, I actually like this. I mean, sure. Yeah. I mean, so, all right. So Gerald's in on sucking her toes and the, the show is on and she's like getting on, like getting ready to go on stage and she's in the wrong spot because I get in the right spot to fuck you doing.
01:06:28
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And the dancers that are on stage exit, and it's like her time to go on. And as they walk by, this happens a few times through the final third act of the film. She hears like people laughing at her. And she goes up and Tomah gives her like the nod of like, you can do this. And then while she's dancing, like she's spinning a bunch. And on like each stop of the spin, she like sees Lillian and the male dancer that was just on rope with each other. And she sees Lily dressed in like the wants the whites want attire. And while she's spinning all these visions, it's like she's like too overwhelming for her. And she just falls over in the middle of the performance and she like gets back up. And the male dancer is pissed because he was like holding her up. Yeah. She's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Thomas is pissed.
01:07:25
Speaker
And she tried, and instead of being like, I'm sorry, she's like, he dropped me bitch. She's not even like, yeah, it's not even like the blame is not her. It could not be her. And she goes through her dressing room and Lily's in there dressed in the black swan attire. And she's Nina's fucking heated and they, she like grabs Lily and smashes her into a mirror. And then.
01:07:55
Speaker
Lily's face turns to Nina. So Nina grabs a piece of like the mirror that shattered and just stabs hard in the gut. And after like Nina is dead, her face turns back to Lily and she's like, Oh fuck, I just killed somebody. And she's trying to gain her composure and a guy outside, like you got me back on stage for five minutes. So she hides this dead body in the closet and you see blood oozing out underneath the door.
01:08:25
Speaker
So she throws a towel, a towel there. And she gets up to dance the black swan and her eyes are completely red. And she does the dance and she does the damn thing. And the male dancer is really impressed. And she's feeling herself and you kind of see her start growing feathers and she gets like a huge standing ovation. So she did it.
01:08:54
Speaker
She danced the ah the Black Swan. She lost herself in it. She lost her fucking mind. She runs off stage and she tongues down Tomah. And he's like, ah get back out there, girl, they want to see you. And Tomah's kind of tearing up. Yeah, he's proud of her, I think, or he's proud of himself. Yeah, it's definitely part of his own ego, too, for sure.
01:09:19
Speaker
So she goes down to the changing room and she still hears people laughing, like giggling as they walk by her. And this is when the blood's actually spilling out. Sorry, but covers the door with a towel and there's a knock at the door and Lily's at the door and she's like, huh? Like I just killed you. She doesn't say that, but that's, that's her face. And Lily's just like, Hey, congrats. You did so great. So proud of you. Again, this is where I'm like, Lily's probably not that bad of a character. It's just all on her fucking mind.
01:09:51
Speaker
Uh, Lily leaves and she looks over and there's no blood under the door anymore. There's no body. And she's stabbed herself. And she's like, Oh fuck, I stabbed myself. This is honestly, well, we'll get there. So she's really upset. And this is when they really, uh, blast the, the Swan Lake sound that is kind of just played throughout this entire movie. And it's really loud here. It's like you're in the moment.
01:10:21
Speaker
And she's at the finale and she's doing the thing that Tomรกs is coaching her from before where she runs up to the top and she jumps off. And while she's at the top, you see the blood pooling like by her gut where she stabbed herself. And right before she jumps off the, whatever you want to call it, mountain, I don't know, this little prop, she makes eye contact with her mother and her mother's crying, I guess like proud. Right.
01:10:50
Speaker
And, uh, she's proud. Nina like feels a sense of a accomplishment, obviously by the next, the next part. And she jumps off and she lands like a slow-mo jump, lands on a mattress. They all run over like you did it, Nina, you did it. And she's fucking bleeding now. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and Tomah runs over and he's like trying to talk to her. And this is the part we're going to go over a review, like our rating in a minute, but.
01:11:18
Speaker
This is where I was like, the shit hits. She's laying there about to die. And she's like, I felt it. And I think what she means is like, I felt it. Like she did, she, perfect like she feels like she achieved perfection or she, that feeling of like she lost herself on stage. And I did everything you wanted me to do. And it goes to why I think we're led to believe she dies. I mean, she's malnourished.
01:11:48
Speaker
She doesn't eat, she just throws it all up. And she bleeds out from her gut, I guess. Yeah, I put ah in my notes, she dead dead. Dead dead. And that's the movie. that's That's Black Swan for you. I've watched this film twice, the first few times I watched it, I had it at a four. And this last watch, I think, again, it's just because I've watched Whiplash like the week before. ah I gave it a five. I just think that
01:12:18
Speaker
These movies where like someone is just overly obsessed with perfecting their craft, whether it's ballet, playing the drums, sucking dick. I don't know. What? There's no movies about that. There probably are. I just ah i really enjoy them, and I feel some kind of relation to it. So I don't know. Just for some reason, that last, I felt it really fucking hit.
01:12:48
Speaker
Okay. Well, you're about to be disappointed because I gave this movie a three star. Yeah. I mean, three is better than what you were saying yesterday, but why is it a three? Like, what do you not like about it? So I, maybe again to what you were saying, maybe it was because I watched whiplash before this. So it's kind of like opposite of yours, but I like the whole.
01:13:18
Speaker
way that whiplash did it better. I don't I'm not okay. I'm not a fan of all the bullshit sexual. Yes, but that's not gonna, you know, make the movie worse in my opinion. I'm not a fan of all the bullshit like fake out stuff that's going on in her head. Yeah, I should have seen that coming because you didn't like ah High tension. Right. I'm not a fan of um the fake out of like if if they went full on like this bitch is actually turning into a swan. You know, yeah, I know. But I probably would have liked it more. Don't you think if you were. I'm not telling you to change your reading, it is what it is. Maybe you'll like rewatch something. That's what I'm saying. Maybe I'll maybe I'll increase it.
01:14:15
Speaker
Don't you think if you were. Basically consuming food, but just throwing it back up and pushing your body to its maximum, you start seeing some weird ass shit. Potentially. But here's another question that I have, right? That rash was real.
01:14:34
Speaker
Um, I think the rash is real because I think she scratches herself at night. I don't know if they covered why it's there to begin with, but I think the rash is real. Okay. That's how I took it. I remember the first time I watched it, I, I, what really bothered me the first few times that I watched it was the, just the Lily, the Lily fake out the end of like, she stabs her and it's not her. yeah She just stabbed herself. That for me was hard to buy into. And for some, for some reason, this one, this viewing of it, it just all clicked for me. I don't know what it was. Yeah. I'm not against watching it again in the future. Um, maybe after.
01:15:15
Speaker
I don't watch whiplash. You know what I mean? Give it a, give it a year. Right. I, I don't know. I also think we need to teach people that if you get stabbed, can we please yeah do not pull out the object?
01:15:33
Speaker
Yeah. I guess that all the scenes probably still would have worked. No, I'm just saying like, if you get stabbed, you're not supposed to pull the thing out. Cause then you'll bleed out. She wanted to die. I think.
01:15:46
Speaker
I think she wants her final finale, right? Because to me, like the whole thing is just like her. It's like. Fucking method acting on a the next fucking level, like she wants to physically become the fucking she wants to commit suicide, like the swan queen. And like, I felt it as like. I just feel like in the beginning of this film, she's so devoid of anything besides like. She cries a lot.
01:16:13
Speaker
It's like all she has is an emotion. She gain yeah i think she gains herself. i think Yeah, and then granted, it's not appropriate, and we've been over this already, the sexual assault vibes, but like in a way, she felt something. like She said she had a fiance, which we don't know if if she's 28 in this movie, why didn't she have a fiance? yeah I don't know. Teach their own. Let us know what you think about it right into the podcast.
01:16:41
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sorry that to disappoint you. I'm not disappointed. This movie is not for everybody. I mean, this guy, uh, Darren Arnof ski, the director of this film, he makes films that are divisive
Discussion on Requiem for a Dream
01:16:59
Speaker
in a way. I mean, he also made Requiem for a dream. You've seen that. Yes. That movie's fucking it's very sad, but it's a good movie. Right.
Review of The Whale
01:17:08
Speaker
I mean, this is a good movie, but he made the whale. I'm definitely, I'm not saying that this is a bad movie. Like at all. Right. There's just people who, he, he also made the whale, which some people were like, this is a five out of five. And some people are like one star. And he also made that
Mother! Analysis and Reception
01:17:27
Speaker
movie mother, which I've never seen. Oh, with Jennifer Lawrence. I like that movie. That movie's also like, you look at like the ratings and it's like,
01:17:35
Speaker
Five saw or one and a half. Jennifer Lawrence is great in that movie by the way. I gotta watch that. I haven't seen it. Javier Bardem. There you go. Ed Harris. That's good. Michelle Pfeiffer. Brian Gleason. Fucking Ron Weasley. All right.
Episode Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:17:51
Speaker
We're on a tangent here. Anyways,
01:17:54
Speaker
ah That's a, that's an episode on a black swan. We hope you enjoyed. Yeah, we hope you enjoyed, uh, please follow us on Instagram to guys, one screen pod, please send your opinion on black swan and any other critiques, criticisms, comments, concerns to two guys, one screen pod at gmail dot.com and follow us on letterbox links in the description. We will ah see you next week. Toodles. Fuck you, Mark.