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Episode 4 - Jays , McDavid Deal, Ryder Cup and CFL Rules
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Blue Jays Buzz, McDavid’s Deal, Ryder Cup Chaos & CFL Shakeups.
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Introduction & World Series Excitement
00:00:18
Speaker
Welcome back the Leo and Lando show episode number four. I'm Leo Ernewein joined by Landon Semenok. As always, it's October. It's crisp. And the World Series is here. The Toronto Blue Jays, the L.A. Dodgers. Landon, take it away.
00:00:31
Speaker
What a week. What a year for the Toronto Blue Jays, eh? Like, i I am so excited for this team. i mean, honestly, from from the beginning of the year, who would have thought that this team would be...
00:00:45
Speaker
anywhere near close to being a world series. Would you agree with that? Yeah. I think coming into the the season with the off season that they had, a lot of people maybe weren't expecting the blue Jays to, um, to go this deep into the seat, you know, with the additions of Max Scherzer and, and guys, uh, Shane Bieber at the deadline definitely helped, but coming into the start of the season, um, I don't think anybody was really thinking that I'm sure that the expectation was for a playoff position and at least, uh,
00:01:15
Speaker
maybe a wildcard spot, if not higher, but the, you know, a division title, an ALCS title and a world series birth. Like, ah and now we have to be playing with house money almost, as you said, the odds are about negative two 10 for the Dodgers to win. And Alex Rodriguez is, I liked that he's mentioning that it's a Goliath versus Goliath matchup. And that, you know, the, the series is much closer than the odds do suggest the Dodgers might have a deeper, deeper pitching rotation, but Toronto has really been playing their best baseball of
Blue Jays vs Dodgers: Offense vs Pitching
00:01:44
Speaker
the year. Right. So,
00:01:45
Speaker
you think the Blue Jays ah offense can find success against the Dodgers? Like elite starting rotation, like guys like Shohane or Shohei Otani, Blake Snell, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Tyler Glasnow. I mean, they, they got a ah deep rotation there.
00:02:01
Speaker
I think they can. Yeah. I, I mean, Hey, they, they've, they played against the best, you know, best pitching for Seattle and, and with the Yankees, i can't see how they would it. I mean, they've, they've out,
00:02:15
Speaker
batted both those teams. Now I know that the the Dodgers are a different animal um and they they're a deep team but they're beatable. I mean honestly I think you know a lot of people I've talked to over the last week and leading up to the uh world series is you know i i've said that uh the dodgers had an easy time in the national league so far within the last three rounds i mean yeah they put they steamrolled the cincinnati reds which the cincinnati reds are kind of the you know the up-and-coming team if you want to call it that and then they played i mean philadelphia gave them all they could handle
00:02:58
Speaker
And then, unfortunately, Milwaukee, I think, just ran out of gas. And so i think that I think the Dodgers are going to be very surprised how good this Toronto Blue Jays team. And I think America is definitely going to be stunned to see how the Toronto Blue Jays are going to match up against these guys. Because I think i think it's going to be a really good matchup. but i I don't think the pitchers of the LA Dodgers have seen um a batting rotation like the Toronto Blue Jays. How do you feel?
00:03:26
Speaker
I think the Dodgers are yeah unquestionably deep, but I think, yeah, like the Blue Jays are playing really, really well, really cohesively. The bottom half of their lineup is getting on base, getting things going, getting stuff available for George Springer and, and Vladdy and Dalton Varsho and guys in the middle of the lineup to, to really get a crack at some runners on base or in scoring position. Right. So that definitely helps. Um,
00:03:54
Speaker
you know, the Dodgers are just so deep though. The Jays have starters like Kevin Gossman, Trey Savage and Shane Bieber, but the Dodgers have bats that, you know, Otani had one of the greatest games ever, a couple of weeks, like maybe a couple days back where he was what three home runs at the plate, 10 strikeouts, like two hits, like one earned run or zero earned runs, something like that. And a four, one win, I think it was there for nothing win, something like that.
00:04:21
Speaker
But, um, Yeah, the Dodgers just look incredible. and Bats like Otani, as previously mentioned, Freddie Freeman, T. Oscar Hernandez, the former J. Mookie Betts at shortstop.
00:04:33
Speaker
Will Smith, a pretty good catcher as well. Do you think that Toronto's pitching will be able to keep him in check? I think so. Yeah. I mean, they kept the Yankees in check, right? I mean, Toronto, or sorry, New York, might excuse me.
00:04:45
Speaker
um New York was is almost just as good as the Daily Dodgers, right, in the in the American League. And they to Toronto had no problem with them. Also, mean, Toronto had no problem with them all all year long.
00:04:57
Speaker
But i i don't i think the I think the pitching is going to hold up. I really do. um like I'm not worried about Toronto again in this series whatsoever. and you know It's kind of funny because I was thinking about this as we've been chatting and over the last little bit that the LA Dodgers and the Toronto Blue Jays really remind me of the back in 2019 when the Toronto Raptors were playing against the you know the ah really good Golden State Warriors and they...
00:05:27
Speaker
Basically, I mean, they beat them, right? I mean, the the depth showed against the... yeah I mean, it's a different sport, obviously. But, yeah I mean, hey, if the Raptors can beat a juggernaut in the Golden State Warriors, the Toronto Blue Jays can do the same thing with the LA Dodgers. That's just my opinion. But, I mean, to your question, the only pitcher that I'm a little...
Game 7 Concerns & Key Players
00:05:51
Speaker
Ifion is ah Shane Bieber. I mean, he didn't pitch very good in Game 7, right? So he he he struggled little bit in Game 7.
00:06:01
Speaker
But, I mean, it's Game 7, right? I mean, you're... You know, the testosterone is higher. The stakes are higher. You're nervous. You're... your You know, you're a couple pitches away from winning the World Series or you're couple pitches away where you put your team down in a massive hole. So...
00:06:21
Speaker
he's the only question mark that I would have out of the three. I think everybody else, whoever pitches um is not going to have a problem. I don't think. How about you? I'm a little bit more for Shane Bieber. i I didn't mind his last outing, you know, only three earned runs. I mean, he gave up the first hit to to Julio Rodriguez and they ended it up, they did end up scoring a run off that one.
00:06:44
Speaker
But I think Julio Rodriguez is just a really good player. And, you know, they they did manage to shut down. Guys like Josh Naylor and stuff like that. Actually, Naylor did have a decent game, but Cal Raleigh didn't play very well.
00:06:56
Speaker
So ah the guy I'm concerned about is Trady Savage. I mean, he's had some great games so far, but he's a rookie. And we're I think we're letting that slip by us, right? That but he he doesn't have a lot of major league experience, especially in the playoffs. And this will be his first World Series along with many other Blue Jays for a fact. But i I really hope that Trey Savage can keep going what he has going and I'd love to see him keep the momentum up.
00:07:23
Speaker
But that's one part where I think the Dodgers batting, like hitting staff will really focus on and and and try to pick apart what limited game footage they have on you, Savage. Maybe even go back to some college film from him and stuff like that or some minor league film from the AAA Bisons and stuff. But yeah,
00:07:43
Speaker
Speaking of bats, though, we'll we'll shift gears to the Blue Jays bats. Vladdy Guerrero Jr., obviously, you know, the ALCS MVP, a torrid postseason. He has nearly a 442 average, sakes home runs.
00:07:57
Speaker
How do the how do the um Dodgers shut him down? Well, that's a tricky one because, i mean, i the only way they would ever shut him down is that they just keep walking him, right? They show the four fingers and they walk him every time he comes up to the bat. I guess that's the only the only way they would.
00:08:16
Speaker
um But, I mean, i i i the the guy is just unbelievably hot right now, like right? Like, he's just he's played a very good postseason, and he's earning his money, right? I mean, obviously, the his contract is going to kick in next year.
00:08:35
Speaker
But I mean, he's showing why Toronto's paying him all that money. Right. And I don't know how they would shut him down other than just keep walking them. But the other thing is, was, or they just pitched more inside toward towards them that he can't hit it. Right. I guess that's the only other option.
00:08:52
Speaker
Otherwise, i think it's just you just hope that yeah hope that whatever you pitch at him, he does he swings and misses, basically. or Yeah, you've got very carefully. yeah too yeah Yeah, right? Yeah. I mean, so that's that's just my opinion on Vladimir Guerrero.
00:09:10
Speaker
Okay, so another batter for the Blue Jays, is or a potential batter in this case. ah Bo Bichette, still no word on whether he'll be back, but reports are saying that it's trending upwards.
00:09:21
Speaker
um Do you think that, well, obviously he'll be a huge impact. Do you think he'll make the lineup there, Landon? you think it's been enough time, Keelan? oh i He's a little bit of a walk card for me, right? Like, because...
00:09:35
Speaker
the Blue Jays have been doing so well without him. So if you put them in somewhere, are you going to disrupt the, you know, the flow? If you, if you want to call it that, right?
00:09:47
Speaker
So I, I, I like to see him in. I think he deserves to be in, but everybody else has played so well. I don't know how, I don't know how you can disrupt something like that. And I, I mean,
00:10:05
Speaker
Bo Bichette is a great baseball player. And I, like I said, I think he deserves to be there, but he's just, I, I, I don't know how you can throw him in when everybody else has been playing so well.
00:10:15
Speaker
Right. That's, that's just my opinion. The only, the only thing I could see him maybe going into it'd be the, um the eighth spot but other than that i mean everybody else has been playing really really well so I mean I'd love to see him in I mean i mean he it was funny when we were when uh George Springer hit that home run i mean he was he was jumping up and down more than anybody else right so I'm thinking to myself well his knee can't be that bad you know what I mean so so had yeah so that's just my take on Boba Shad I I'd love to see him in
00:10:51
Speaker
But I don't i don't know if how good of an impact he would be considering how healthy and and how everybody else is rolling. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I think you take Bo Bichette on the roster regardless of you know, if he's healthy enough, you take him.
00:11:10
Speaker
um Doesn't mean you necessarily have to disrupt the batting order by by inserting him into the lineup right away, but surely he's at least got to be a part of that bench if he's healthy enough, right? So, um but as you mentioned, yeah, Andrus Jimenez, I think he's batting in the eighth or the ninth spot, and that'd probably be where he'd replace, for who he'd replace, of course, at that shortstop position. um it it Yeah, it's interesting to see, because I don't know if I'm Bo Bichette, if I'm returning to the lineup, I don't know if I'd be too happy about slotting in at the eighth spot, right? And that's got to...
00:11:43
Speaker
kind of shuffle some emotions a little bit. and And you don't know if you want to do that right now. You don't know if you want to take Andres Jimenez out. He's been playing pretty solid defensively. He got that nice ah sacrifice bunt to move those runners ahead to take away the double ball so that George Springer could launch that home run.
00:12:01
Speaker
And it's funny that you mentioned George Springer too, because when I was working the game for Rogers that, that night and and watch that home run live, And we have about a 15 to 30 second delay on our TV.
00:12:13
Speaker
So I'm listening to the radio call and I'm freaking out, jumping up and down going, yeah, yeah.
Fan Reactions & Online Debates
00:12:20
Speaker
And I just wanted to, you know, pull my, jeer like my Jersey over my head and run around the office. Like it was a soccer goal or something like that. It was,
00:12:27
Speaker
But I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw him touch around home plate or even when he was jumping right after first base or right before first base. I was like, man, he doesn't look very sore there. But adrenaline is a crazy thing there, Landon. So yeah it could just be that. it writes ah That's an unmatched kind of adrenaline that probably he's only felt before on that kind Jays roster being in the World Series before. Yeah.
00:12:49
Speaker
I do want to ask you a a little bit about, though, there's there was some narrative going on because a lot of Seattle fans are, I don't know want to say salty, but I've seen a lot of comments online about them kind of, you know, not particularly pleased with how the game ended up, and and rightfully so, but them kind of, and other Jays fans backing them up, being or backing up the win by saying, like, that's what you get for booing George Springer in game five or game six, whenever it was that he got hit in the knee.
00:13:19
Speaker
And then by that pitch, right? And then there was also the Josh Naylor incident. I think it was the first or second inning when there was a double play ball and they got the out at second and Josh Naylor was running from first second and he kind of jumped and turned his back to get out of the way. And he got hit in the head and because he jumped.
00:13:37
Speaker
A lot of people were like, you know, he did that intentionally. and I've totally been in that situation where I see somebody winding up the throw and sometimes... I think that, I don't know why, it's i think that they're going you know, obviously Ernie Clement at second isn't going submarine pitch the ball to first base, but but I don't know, I can't help but relate to Josh Naylor and say I would have jumped there too.
00:14:00
Speaker
um I like to think that I would have put my hand up and and gone, you know, like, obviously I'm out, guys. and At the same time, though, I'm a competitor and I want to do what it takes to win. So I don't i don't know. i i Hindsight's 20-20, right? so But so I do want to ask you, what are you what are your thoughts on the Blue Jays now advancing over the Mariners?
00:14:22
Speaker
And a lot of Mariners fans kind of cheesed about it on the internet there. And Jays fans saying that's what you get when you try to, or when you boo when a person was getting hit in the knee.
00:14:34
Speaker
Well, that was, you know, I remember why. I think it was game five, I believe, because it was it was ah it was the last game in Seattle. And, i mean, i don't like I don't like how fans treat players, certain players. I mean, and unfortunately, the I remember back when the um Kevin Durant blew his knee in the finals, right, in Toronto.
00:14:58
Speaker
And the Toronto fans were were cheering for him to getting hurt. and i and were. Yeah. And they they were literally were. and And so I was just like, you guys, that's not sportsmanship, right? And and then so when we when we go back to now Seattle doing that on Bo Bichette, it's, to me to me, fans need to to cheer for their players.
00:15:24
Speaker
They need to, when somebody is hurt, I mean, you got to put the human element to it too, right? I mean, somebody got hurt. really seriously hurt. And I know I wouldn't be booing somebody.
00:15:37
Speaker
I don't care how much I hate the team or hate the player or whatever. You don't, you don't do that. Right. I mean, I understand George Springer has some history with the Seattle Mariners because Houston and Seattle are in the same division. I i get that. I mean, and Springer was with the Houston Astros and that whole, you know, that whole cheating debacle. Right. Exactly. So, trash exactly so i get I get that. I get that. But, you know, cheer for your team.
00:16:06
Speaker
and and And I understand how upsetting it is to see your team lose the way the way they did too, right? I mean, I i mean i feel for i feel for the Seattle Mariners because now they're the only team that has not made the World Series. And they're incredibly frustrated. They thought they had the team to go all the way. And, you know, and honestly, i think they could have. but They just ran into a way better Blue Jays team, unfortunately.
00:16:32
Speaker
um Yeah. Yeah, right? So, and then, so, as far as Naylor, I think he did that accidentally on purpose. I mean, you will hard him i mean you watch him, right? I mean, he he accidentally did that on purpose. I mean, he knew he he knew he was out, but how can I get it in the way somehow to disrupt Clement's throw to first base, right? And...
00:16:54
Speaker
um i thought I thought the umpires made the right call. I mean, that can you imagine, just think of about it, if that was not an out, that that place would have gone bonkers. so yeah and He was just shy of putting his hands up like he was blocking a field goal, right? like Exactly, yeah. yeah so and and And I know we're picking on a Canadian.
00:17:18
Speaker
can you believe that we're actually picking on a Canadian? and Um, but, uh, but yeah, I think he accidentally that did that on purpose. I mean, honestly, I think it's just more so, I think he was also trying to protect himself. So he wouldn't get dinged in the head or yeah or, have the ball, you know, at his face.
00:17:37
Speaker
But at the same time, I think he did it on purpose too, to get, to right. So that's just, that's just my take on that. Um, cause, i I know we we're going to talk about the Ryder Cup coming up here, and it's almost the same.
00:17:55
Speaker
We're going to get into it a little bit more about the Ryder Cup, but it's almost very similar to what happened at the Ryder Cup that happened in Seattle. We're booing players for for what reason?
00:18:07
Speaker
Yeah, no, and I like that you kind of pointed out back to the 2019 Raptors finals versus the Golden State Warriors there. I remember watching it, watching KD go down and hearing kind of the roars in the crowd there. And i was like, oh man, there they're getting amped. Like that's a guy that's getting hurt.
00:18:25
Speaker
That's a guy that's seriously hurt. It's a legendary player. And that's it an obvious Achilles injury. Yeah. not going to lie, I didn't say I didn't have a pretty big smile on my face, or not necessarily a smile, but thinking ahead of, oh, geez, what's this mean for on-court implications for the Raptors against the Warriors right now? But I was also thinking, oh, man, that sucks major for KD right now. That sucks for the Warriors.
00:18:53
Speaker
And it's too bad that it's not, you know, and as as far as ah an even playing field goes, but that's the way sports goes, right? That's the way... durability goes that's the way you know that's why you play the game so and at the end of the day people oh the raptors have an asterisk next next to their championship or whatever but um they they still won and they still got one in the books so i like that you pointed that out i like that um i like that you pointed out the the rider cup stuff too because we will mention that here coming up that um
00:19:26
Speaker
that things got, you know, booing there too. And I've heard the argument for some Seattle, Seattle fans or Mariners fans say that, that they weren't booing Springer, they were cheering for him after he's sorry.
00:19:40
Speaker
Some people were accusing, accusing them of cheering when he got hurt and they were saying they were cheering after he started to walk it off and we're cheering for the fact that he was able to walk it off. it I don't know how much I believe that. Right. It's so yeah'm based off there's based off of the Mariners history with the Astros and that former, former Astro player. Right.
00:20:01
Speaker
He was a staple for their franchise, especially during their series titles. So, but, um, Yeah, anything else you want to talk about there for the Blue Jays, Lando? Well, just everybody tune in, right? I mean, i know...
00:20:15
Speaker
when we record this, it's going to be, you know, getting really close to game time, but yeah, just enjoy you guys. I mean, we got a Canadian team in the world series in the biggest baseball, um, classic of all time. You know, it's the biggest baseball classic you can ever think of next to the world, the world baseball classic. Right. So I enjoy you guys. I mean, i I mean, this is the most baseball I've watched. I mean, I obviously keep in touch with, you know, in years past who, uh,
00:20:45
Speaker
who's playing who and watch a game here or there. And obviously I will watch the world series no matter who's in it. But I mean, I mean, this is the most baseball I've watched all year, to be honest, over the last couple of weeks. So yeah, just enjoy it. yeah,
00:21:00
Speaker
Um, cheer on the team. Um, one of the things that I just real quick, and then i know we are going to move on, but I was just reading to, uh, within today, I think it was either today or with just recently that the, that Fox reported that it was, um, that 9 million people, um watched the game seven in the United States. I think it was, but yeah, it was about nine, 9 million people watched in the United States. That's the highest,
00:21:30
Speaker
um I think you i highest game ever watched on Fox. And then they said that it reached up to almost 17 million people between 10.30 and 11.30 Eastern time. I think that's what it was. Or my is it 9.30?
00:21:48
Speaker
I can't remember. But it was right around towards the end of the of the game. And I'm thinking myself, 17 million people watching a baseball game in game seven. And then they said they averaged about...
00:22:01
Speaker
uh 13 million for the whole series for the whole series i'm thinking myself well the mariners aren't exactly a popular team um toronto is not a popular team in the united states but yet people are still watching that's incredible yeah i think it just goes to show how uh how competitive those teams brought to that you know the competitive edge those teams brought to that series and how it was able to go to seven games and i really hope that this this next World Series here will will bring more of the same kind of fire and ferocity from both
Blue Jays vs Dodgers: Series Predictions
00:22:32
Speaker
teams. The Dodgers certainly have the depth, or the depth, that is, and the Jays seem to have the momentum.
00:22:38
Speaker
I think this series is closer than vegas than the Vegas line says. you think so as well, Landon? I do. I do. Yeah, I think so. And, you know, it's there was another thing I read um when the – um when the Jays won the World Series, I was reading that they showed that um there has been four series since night the end of the 1980s, that um four series in the ALCS and the NLCS.
00:23:09
Speaker
I think it was three AL and one national. But anyways, um that the team that won game seven went on to win the World Series.
00:23:21
Speaker
in the NLCS and the ALCS. So the Blue Jays won game seven and they are playing the world series. So I, I like those odds. I mean, that that's pretty good odds, right? I mean, LA has sat for quite a lot longer and Toronto just finished up, you know, a couple of days ago. So I, I like those, I like those odds, but I, I, to answer your question, Leo, yeah, I think it's a lot closer than they're showing.
00:23:49
Speaker
Obviously, i get why. I mean, the Dodgers are are the Dodgers, but I think it's a lot closer than people think. I i mean, did the Blue Jays get smoked by the Dodgers when they played each other in L.A.
00:24:03
Speaker
um yeah over the summer and at the three games? Yeah, but also Toronto was pretty banged up at that time too, right? I mean, they had a lot of injuries at that time. So I think that i think L.A. is going to see a way different Blue Jays team that at this time around.
00:24:19
Speaker
Yeah, and they did win one of those games, I think it was a 5-4 game in August. And the other ones, I think they scored two runs combined compared to the 14 runs for the Dodgers. there the yeah to You weren't wrong in saying that they got smoked, but you know it it it is a different team for sure. and We'll see <unk> see how that goes come Friday here when first pitch comes at, I think, 6 o'clock.
00:24:44
Speaker
Cannot wait, man. Guys, everybody who listens to us, Watch the games. I mean, it's, I know I had a few people text me the last little bit here and asked me, so how does this series go? And I said, well, it's the same. So Toronto hosts the first two, they do back to back and then they have a travel day and then l LA hosts the three games. If it goes that far and then Toronto goes, then they go back to Toronto for game six and seven. It's a little different than basketball and, and hockey where they do two and two,
00:25:19
Speaker
And then 1-1-1. or Sorry, 1-1-1. Yeah, you were right. 1-1-1. Minimize the travel, though. A lot of people flying on those baseball teams, right? to Yeah. When there's a lot more players and training staff compared to basketball and hockey, right? so Nice.
00:25:38
Speaker
We'll jump over the Edmonton Oilers
Connor McDavid's Contract & Oilers' Future
00:25:40
Speaker
here. Their cup or bust window just got a bit of breathing room. Connor McDavid just signed two-year, $25 million extension, $12.5 million a year.
00:25:49
Speaker
Thoughts there, Landon? Interesting. Hey, like when I, I almost dropped my phone when I saw that notification from, from Sportsnet and TSN. I, I literally, I'm like, he signed 12, a two year, $25 million contract, 12.5. Like, That's a bargain that Edmonton just got. But it just shows you his character, right?
00:26:12
Speaker
I mean, he's reminding me of so much of Sidney Crosby. I mean, Sidney Crosby, over the years, he took cut after pay cut after pay cut because he wanted to win and to help his organization win, to get the players to help them win.
00:26:26
Speaker
I mean... if if i'm if i'm If I'm players in that dressing room, I'd be so inspired by that to know to know that he is committed to winning. He wants to win.
00:26:37
Speaker
wants to win. And he wants to win now. And he's given... and and he wants to win now and he's given
00:26:48
Speaker
the Edmonton Oilers fans, something to cheer about now and, and some breathing room. Cause I know there was, as you know, probably Leo, there was a lot of Oilers fans that were really stressed out for the start of the year. How is this going to go? You know, are they, you know, how's the dressing room? How, you know, what's the noise going to be like? Well, that all got shot up just before the season started. So good, good on them. I mean, I'm, I'm a fan of Connor McDavid. I don't necessarily like the team he plays for, but I am a huge fan of Connor McDavid And I'm a bigger fan of him now because it just shows you what type of character. i mean, obviously money's not a thing for him.
00:27:22
Speaker
and He wants to win. How about you? Yeah, I love it. I mean... I agree with you. it It just shows the type of person he is that he's willing to sort of place his bets on himself and say, Hey, will, I like, I I'm happy with this situation. I know the grass isn't always greener.
00:27:42
Speaker
I think the deal that he signed is realistic. It's not, you know, I was hearing rumors of people being like, Oh, he signed a pact with, with Leon dry side on, you know, dry side, I'll sign that eight year deal a couple of years ago. And, you know,
00:27:57
Speaker
McDavid's going to sign like a six-year deal or something like that too so that they make sure they they hit free agency together. some you know um of a A, they'd be yeah almost past their prime by then or close to. I don't want to knock them.
00:28:10
Speaker
um but I just love the the competitiveness spirit behind that. it it's you know the tom brady style hometown discount hopefully there's no kawaii leonard kind of under the table tree paint planting um endorsement stuff going on do you know no i don't i don't think that'll happen no i i just i've just yeah i know yeah um but uh it's it's great to see and so i i love to in sports i i saw i just want to just kind of going on off topic a little bit here but
00:28:41
Speaker
I saw somebody post a comment on the internet internet the other day. It was about Thomas hurdle saying he wanted to leave San Jose after 10 years because he had three knee knee injuries and he wanted to go somewhere to get a cup.
00:28:53
Speaker
And somebody was ripping on him in the comments being like, Oh, this gotta go win a cup mentality is the worst mentality in sports. And I, I just can't agree with that at all. Like we all play to win.
00:29:06
Speaker
Why would you not want to win at the highest level? um you know, especially as you if your career is kind of almost in the twilight stages, right? And so I have no problem with Thomas Hertel seeking, you know, ah or when he wanted to leave San Jose ah to go win.
00:29:24
Speaker
I have no issues with that. that I think where the line crosses for most people is guys like Kevin Durant when it's like, hey man, you were you guys were winning pretty well. You made the Western conference finals, yada, yada, yada, yada.
00:29:37
Speaker
And he goes and joins the warriors, you know, and stuff. so Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Well, I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. I want to ask you, ah do you think this thing, we'll, we'll jump back to the Edmonton Oilers here. Do you think this new deal kind of settles the things, things down in the Oilers locker room?
00:29:54
Speaker
I do. Yeah, I really do. And I don't think, I know we talked about this in the season preview show earlier, um what the noise is going to be like. And we kind of both agreed that I don't think it ah really would affect dress room. But I mean, it it it also, kind you know, the human nature kind of sets in for everybody, right? Like you can't, when you see him, you're like, Hey, you know, he's my buddy. He's my friend. He's my teammate.
00:30:18
Speaker
But is he, what's he thinking? Where's his mind at? Is he going to stay here? Is he, You know, what what's he what's he thinking? And, you know, yeah and then that starts playing within your head. And then, you know, it kind of then it kind of the next person starts thinking the same thing.
00:30:35
Speaker
Right. I mean, it I think as a overall as a dressing room, i don't think it really would affect them too much because, I mean, they're they're. They're brothers to the end, right? I mean, that's just, I mean you you would know as a hockey player when you played hockey with all your buddies, you know, your brother's right till the end, right? And you're close and, you know, I mean, obviously you're going to butt heads. But, yeah, i don't I really don't think this will affect the dressing room. And I and i think it probably will give a lot. There was probably calmness there before, but I think there's even more calm. Now that everybody's like, hey, Ekholm got signed.
00:31:10
Speaker
Wallman got signed and obviously McDavid got signed. So now everybody can just go and play. And Chris Knobloch got signed in extension. So the coach is signed. Three players got signed. Okay, let's go when i let's go chase this Stanley Cup for another go.
00:31:28
Speaker
Yeah, I agree, man. I think if you know it adds of a sense of confidence to the room to let other players know when they're thinking about the futures of their career, where they want to be and stuff like that. And if they know McDavid's going to be around for at least two more years after the year, after the season, um, that, that certainly helps,
00:31:49
Speaker
ease some of the pressure of being like, okay, well, where, where do I want to be next year? If you're having a good time this year, that is, but we'll, you know, with woman and at home also locked in, is the pressure now on management to take the, take the next step, you think?
00:32:04
Speaker
Yes, I do. I, I mean, there's a lot of pressure because basically McDavid has just given them saying, I've taken a massive pay cut. I need you to give me the players so that we can go chase this thing. And you know and and I think they've done a pretty good job. I mean, Rosovic just got signed, so they got some more depth added.
00:32:22
Speaker
like i I like how their team is set up, and yeah I like how their team is now set up. I mean, I know we talked about it and the in the preview show that of, you know, we're a little wishy-washy with them. I still feel that way, but I do like how their team is set up, and now they've got to go play.
00:32:40
Speaker
I'm... i'm I'm a little really worried about their goaltending because Stuart Skinner let another really bad goal in again. So i I really think that what management needs to do is they need to show the players. And I feel bad for Stuart Skinner because I think he's a good goalie.
00:32:58
Speaker
But I think they they need to go find another guy that can push him. and and push him to be the starter, because I think that'll make him play better. Because I think i think with with Stuart Skinner, I think they are putting too much faith in him, and he's the, you know, basically, he's he's the guy.
00:33:18
Speaker
i mean, not no disrespect to kind um Pickard and Ingram that they just picked up as well. But they, yeah, they're... They're putting a lot of faith in Stuart Skinner. So if I'm management, I'd be really looking out for a goalie.
00:33:32
Speaker
But at the same time, all 31 other teams are looking for a goalie too, right? that They're looking for you know that that guy that can carry them to the promise line. Or I'll use this as an example. They're looking for the Brobroski out there, right? that Everybody's looking for Brobroski or you know and Jake Ottenger. So...
00:33:53
Speaker
But yes, I know i' kind of rambling on a little bit here, but I do think Stan Bowman really needs to show now that we're we're committed to winning and I'm committed to try to chase this thing. And he's got lots of wiggle room in the next two next three years to do that.
00:34:08
Speaker
How about you? Yeah, I mean, if they don't make the playoffs, heads will roll, but I don't think that will happen. um It's certainly cup or bust. So I think, yeah, they they're on the hot seat for sure. Both Stan Bowman and I think Chris...
00:34:27
Speaker
Knobloch there. Chris Knobloch, yeah. Yeah, it could be on the hot seat, even despite his extension, right? Like, I've i've seen people get fired. I mean, i don't know if the Oilers quite have the kind of money to be able to fire a coach they just extended, but um I don't know, man. Sometimes I feel like I don't know. Maybe I'll backtrack on that a little bit because sometimes there isn't necessarily a better option. The grass, again, isn't always greener. Yes.
00:34:53
Speaker
and And again, that goes for goalies as well. Like you mentioned, they picked up like Connor Ingram and Calvin Pickard's, you know, been their backup for a while. And and those guys are, I don't want to be rude, but they're,
00:35:05
Speaker
perennial backups almost like they're they've been backups for a long time and and this is an Orlers team that has made the cup finals and back-to-back years despite the goaltending from Stuart Skinner and I'm not saying he's terrible but he's definitely been their Achilles heel right so it's it certainly will be an interesting approach to the trade deadline an interesting start to the season to see how the narratives go um what kind of people are available at the trade deadline, that sort of stuff. But as you mentioned, so are 31 other teams. I feel like goaltending has almost been, i don't want want to say the weak, i I can't say the weakest because I've probably been checked out a little bit, but...
00:35:51
Speaker
I don't feel like it's been as strong as it used to be in the past years. No, I agree. And that's speech created as sort of ah a commodity for for goaltenders who are elite.
00:36:02
Speaker
They could probably even demand more money now that we're seeing lots and lots of teams having struggling netminders.
00:36:11
Speaker
so he Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. What I was going to say is what what I think, what what I think has happened with, with goaltending in general is I think what's made it harder for teams to pick or to draft or whatever is the, in years past, the Canadian goaltending has been, you know, probably the best in the world. Right.
00:36:34
Speaker
And, or at least we think as Canadians think it is the best of the world, but, they there was a lot to pick from with goaltenders in Canada. When you you think about guys like Carey Price, Marc-Andre Fleury, I mean, you can even go back a ways with the Curtis Josephs, the Patrick Was, the Ed Belfours, the Marty Turcos, you know, the Jose Theodores, that type of stuff. that There was a lot of play there's a lot of goalies in the CHL and college that you could pick from in Canada that kind of helped –
00:37:05
Speaker
Other teams draft the Americans, you know, the European goaltender. So there is a plethora of goaltending. And now what's happened is, is I think the Canadian goaltending is not as strong.
00:37:17
Speaker
There's the American goaltending is kind of in not as strong as well, even though there's Connor Halibux and there's the Jake Ottinger's and all those guys. Yeah, it's stronger, but not stronger.
00:37:29
Speaker
yeah, stronger, but they're all like, as in my opinion, they're all now pretty much the same. So at at for n eight for NHL teams, it's hard to pick from. And then also, you know, all these goalies don't necessarily make the the NHL. They will go play in Europe and we never hear from them at ever again. they They like playing in Europe and they go back and forth between Canada and Europe. So it's hard, right? I mean, when you're looking for, you know, two or three positions,
00:37:59
Speaker
to wins to win, it's hard, that they're hard to find, right? So. Yeah, man, it's ah definitely things are a changing out there. Anything else you want to talk about there for the, for the Oilers?
00:38:13
Speaker
and mcon I think as far as the owners, guys, I think, you know, and i know i know everybody's probably up in arms with that blowed lead that the Flames, but, I mean, guys, I mean, it's first game. I mean, Edmonton's going to be playing again on Saturday night on Hockey Night Canada against Vancouver.
00:38:30
Speaker
Like, I think just... Just enjoy the ride, guys. like It's a long season. They they have 81 more games to go. There's going to be a lot of these type of games. I mean, i mean ah could that that these sort of leads can get blown up by any team, right? it just It's just funny hot that it happened on primetime on Scotiabank Wednesday Night Hockey when that happened, right? So just the i for Oiler fans, just enjoy the ride.
00:38:56
Speaker
You've got a good team. Enjoy the ride. Nice. Yeah, I agree, man. I certainly wish, so well, the Maple Leafs had a McDavid. I mean, we got a close 1B.
00:39:08
Speaker
i think you Matthews is pretty good. He's pretty good. He's not Canadian, though, and he doesn't take hometown discounts. No, he does not. yeah um Yeah, we'll jump over to segment number three here. Ryder Cup a few weekends ago was pretty
Ryder Cup Fan Behavior
00:39:22
Speaker
wild. Heckling beer thrown. my goodness.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yeah, some pretty nasty stuff aimed at European players, especially Rory McIlroy. What is your reaction to the way some fans behaved out on Bethel Page Black in Long Island, New York?
00:39:36
Speaker
It was really stupid. like As a golf fan watching this, I mean, I certainly rooted rooted for good shots in the Americans. Now, obviously, I didn't want to see them win because that's just you know the Canadian-American rivalry, right?
00:39:51
Speaker
But I mean, I certainly rooted for and said to myself, or even i'll said it out loud watching TV, that there were some amazing shots by some of the American players. Right.
00:40:01
Speaker
But just the way, way the fans um acted that, that day was unreal. Like I, I've never seen people heckle golfers before they're about to hit, especially pro golfers. Right. I mean, I've, I've played golf.
00:40:17
Speaker
We heckle each other as a group, but we heckle each other because we know each other, right. We're not, you know competing for anything we're just going out there to have fun so yeah obviously we're going to hackle each other but at the same time when it's a person's time to shoot we try to keep ourselves as quiet as possible because it takes lots of concentration to hit your golf ball right i mean it i mean leo you've played golf i know you have and it takes lots of concentration to hit a golf ball right i mean so but
00:40:49
Speaker
for For these fans to do what they were doing was really stupid. And it it it gives the Americans a whole... as a whole a really bad name.
00:41:00
Speaker
this and It gives them a really bad name and it it doesn't look good. And what scares me with what's scaring me a little bit in golf is that this is become starting to become a thing like this kind of this partying type of atmosphere. And I think it's kind of starting from the lit. It's starting to spill over a little bit from the live golf type of thing. And it's also,
00:41:23
Speaker
That Phoenix Open that happens in February every year, um that you know that really famous par three that they play in, I think it's hole 16 or 17, where there's stands everywhere near that par three. And if somebody gets all hole in one, there's beer being chucked out on the green. So I think it i think as golf has gone on over the last you a number of years, I think...
00:41:48
Speaker
i think They've allowed this type of behavior to happen. And the other thing that I think is happening too is it just shows you where I don't want to throw a politics you know into sports, but unfortunately, politics is starting to show itself where a leader of a country is allowing this type of behavior and and shooting his mouth off at other people and other parties. So people see their leader doing this. So they think it's okay. So we can go do this anywhere in a public space.
00:42:21
Speaker
And I think that's also what's happening. um But the thing is that bothers me. And I was talking to my brother about this today when we were talking, we were going going over our our podcast.
00:42:33
Speaker
And one thing that he just says, it's like, cheer cheer for you Cheer for your team. Leave the other team alone. Right? I mean, that's what that's what you do. you You need to leave your... lead Cheer for your team. Cheer for your players.
00:42:47
Speaker
i mean all it And also be good sports. If the other players give you good they give good shots... um
00:42:55
Speaker
Root them and just, you know, give them and and cheer for them too because they're human beings. Like, they're not the enemy. And so i was really blown away with the how the fans were that day. that day i was I was watching it I'm like, oh, my goodness. Like, what are they doing out there?
00:43:12
Speaker
And it was just – it was really unfair to the European players. But, I mean, they used it as a rally and they beat them in in the end. And they – no matter the the the amount of heckling that happened, not just on Rory, but on other players, they used it as a rallying tool and they actually played much better. They played better. And it and that's so I don't know. i i was really i was really disappointed in the american and the Americans, especially in New Yorkers. But I don't want to pick on New Yorkers because I know we have two listeners who listen from New York, but
00:43:49
Speaker
That's just kind of New York is a different. They're they're different type of people and they they do it with not just with golf, but they they're really tough on their sports teams and they're just they're a different crowd.
00:44:04
Speaker
I'll i leave it at that. Your thoughts. Well, I'm happy you brought up the Waste Management Open down there in, what is it, Scottsdale or Phoenix? Yeah, the Phoenix Open, yeah, the Waste Management, yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
Because that, when I was younger, i was like, oh, this is awesome. It's a breath of fresh air. Like, maybe more tournaments like this. And as I get a little bit older, I'm like, I understand why they have only one tournament like this. Yeah.
00:44:30
Speaker
as I get even older, I'm like, man, why did they even still have this? Because yeah, it just sets a precedent for stuff like that. We saw at the Ryder cup where it was, you know, like it just looked like way too drunk of spectators at an event. Somebody bumped, uh, somebody's beer out of their hand and to hit Rory McElroy's, uh, Rory McElroy's or Rory McElroy's, uh, wife. Right.
00:44:57
Speaker
Um, um Yeah, it did. Yeah, it's just you know, just stuff like that's insane. And to think that, you know, you could have pride in the event. And i think what really pissed American fans I think what really bothered American fans was when, I think it was Victor Hovland withdrew from the match because he was injured.
00:45:21
Speaker
And when you withdrew, like on the Sunday singles, when you withdraw, ah it cancels out somebody else. So they had like a random name or something like that that they had to draw and somebody got taken out.
00:45:34
Speaker
and wasn't able to contribute in a, like people were kind of cheese that, um, if you withdrew from a match, you end up with a tie and not like a penalty or something like that.
00:45:45
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Or that you don't have like a backup player or something. So that ended up narrowing the lead on Sunday singles to something like they needed three and a half points to, uh, uh, retain the cup.
00:46:00
Speaker
So, I don't think that helped the situation, but you know, those are for the golf purists. I'm, I think we're more talking about just the fans in general that were out there being belligerent.
00:46:11
Speaker
And it kind of reminded me of almost like I was watching the happy Gilmore movie. Yeah. yeah It was something else, man. Do you think the players handled well though?
00:46:24
Speaker
I think to a point, like I think i think as as a human, when you get, when this happens over and over and over again, i think, i know I know how I would act. I mean, I would act, I'd do it, but just, I'd give it back to them just as much, right? Because you're you're tired of hearing it. But I think, I think,
00:46:52
Speaker
he especially Rory, I think they, I think he could have handled himself a lot better, but I understand, you know, the emotions are high. You're playing for Europe um and you're getting heckled and booed and you're getting disturbed and all, and you're, you know, your wife is not having very much fun out in the gallery. She's getting heckled. And so I get all that, but i mean, at the end of the day, you're a pro golfer. You need to handle yourself better too.
00:47:20
Speaker
That's just my, how do you feel? Yeah, I mean, I i think ah you hit the nail on the head with, ah I think most people would have handled it that way as well. Like, it's just, it's straight disrespectful in in a game that's supposed to be where people, players and spectators alike show the utmost respect.
00:47:42
Speaker
You know, like where did they go so wrong? Could this kind of atmosphere change how golf events are run in the future there, Lyndon? I think so. I think they'll look at this a little differently. Now, I mean, the Masters, it doesn't go insane because, the you know,
00:47:57
Speaker
every Everybody who gets invited has to go through rigorous you know background checks and you know security checks and all that. So the Masters won't be a problem. But the other tournaments could be...
00:48:12
Speaker
i think I think if I was the PGA, I'd be looking at this a little more closely, what happened at the Ryder Cup and and trying to avoid future um you know future conflicts.
00:48:26
Speaker
I think what will be interesting is because the PGA players are off in their offseason. Now, know they play a few tournaments just to kind of keep their swinging going, but it'll be very interesting to see how when Rory comes back in the new year,
00:48:40
Speaker
um how he'll get rid get received in in all the all the majors and any tournaments that he starts playing. um But yeah, i like it like I said, I think if I was the PG, I'd be looking at what happened at the Ryder Cup and yeah, I'd be making some adjustments. How about you?
00:49:02
Speaker
Yeah, well, as you mentioned, people don't get into Augusta just off of showing up, right? So right yeah think I think we could see more ah major events around the tour implement those similar kind of security ah procedures. And that could be for better or for worse. i'm I'm not sure yet. Do you think it was just passion, though? or obviously, probably crossed the line, right?
00:49:27
Speaker
You know what? i don't I can't speak for people, but I don't know if it was just... Because it it's America first and we're we're the United States and it's all about us. Because, I mean, you watch the European players. i mean, when they compete for the Ryder Cup or even the President's Cup or whatever it is, but it means it's a big deal to them, right? It's a big deal for them to win. It's a big deal to represent their countries and, you know, be it to be European and ah in the PGA tournament.
00:50:03
Speaker
Compared to like the Americans just kind of act like, you know, as and unfortunately American like that, it's, you know, they're not as classy. So I don't know this. I hope this is just one of those one one up or one at just one time thing.
00:50:19
Speaker
um But, yeah, I don't know what it was that – I don't know what was in the air. but But I do know that, you know, people who are talking about it after that that area of New York is a big party area.
00:50:33
Speaker
And that's kind of one of the reasons why they did bring the Ryder Cup there was to – because so that it could attract lots and lots of people, which is kind of stupid. But, I mean – business perspective i mean they they filled up the the galleries but probably made them across a lot of problems yeah and made a lot of money but it caused a lot of problems yeah i get it got us talking about it so for sure fact to got the job done as far as what they're concerned we'll um we'll jump to segment number four here cfl rule changes
00:51:05
Speaker
CFL just announced a bunch of rule changes, shorter end zones, a 100-yard field, benches on opposite sides, goalposts move to the back of the end zone, and a 35-second play clock.
00:51:16
Speaker
Landon, what's your reaction to all this?
CFL Rule Changes & Americanization Debate
00:51:19
Speaker
Well, is I was talking to a good friend ball with me i was talking a good friend of mine and about all this. And one of the things that concerns me when I when i saw these rule changes was the fact that the they third third they're missing the point of how to grow the game.
00:51:40
Speaker
they're They're bypassing the hard work and they're going to the easy work and they're waving the white flag saying basically looked like they're waving the white flag saying, well, we got to make it as as close to American football because that's what everybody watches. So if we change our game with just a tiny bit that might attract people to the game. Well, you're not you're you're not growing the game.
00:52:01
Speaker
you're you're you're frustrating the old-time faithful for fans. And to me, some of the rule changes that they did implement, like the opposite benches, um the 15-yard end zones are is fine. And I'll explain a little bit to people why I think the 15-yard end zones is fine, is because when you look at the fields all across the CFL,
00:52:30
Speaker
they're all different yardages. So it, the only two places that have, um, a different type of yardage, like, ah let me explain this a little bit better. So every end zone is 20 yards, uh, in, um, in the field.
00:52:49
Speaker
And I think it's in depth, I think. So 20 and 10, I think is what it is. Um, in depth and in depth. in depth So, um, in in toronto and mont In Toronto and Montreal, they're 18 yards. big And if you look ah if you watch on TV, at the Montreal Alouettes at Molson Stadium, they've got to one of the end zone. Part of the end zone is cut. is cut like like It's literally cut on on each side so that they can fit the end zone and the stands.
00:53:21
Speaker
so And then everybody in Toronto, they cut it down to 18 because it's a soccer field. Everybody else in the CFL is 20. So what they were trying to do in the CFL is to make every single end zone the same. So 15 yards, which is fine. that's I mean, that rule change was fine.
00:53:41
Speaker
Yeah, yeah so so everybody's across the board. The benches on opposite sides is fine. The only... there's Four of the nine stadiums in the CFL have opposite benches, and that's the Prairie Provinces, Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, and Winnipeg. They have the opposite benches. Everybody else, including Vancouver and BC Place, they all have the benches all on the same side. Well, there was a couple almost near-line bench-clearing brawls because of certain it' certain conflicts or whatever, or emotions happened. So that part was fine.
00:54:16
Speaker
um But the other parts of the game, like my dad thought that I'm going to throw my father in this. My father thought that the moving the goalpost to the back of the end zone was fine because then it encourages the gain the cfl to or the players of the CFL to throw the ball more in the middle of the field and instead on the opposite.
00:54:36
Speaker
And I mean, he he pointed out to me, and i and I thought about this too, and I even watched a Stampeder game where the Nathan Rourke hit the goalpost Yeah, I saw that.
00:54:48
Speaker
yeah so the ball hit the goalpost well it's a dead ball so that part i can see i'm kind of fifty fifty on but all these other rule changes and but thirty five second game clock is fine because um but that part is fine that part was fine because i mean it takes almost that amount of time to blow the play dead blow the play in so at least if there's 35 seconds they know that they have 35 seconds to you know to get the the ball off and get the play going so but the other rule changes i don't know man like it's just way too much it just it it makes itself look too much american in my opinion and and
00:55:30
Speaker
And I get what they're trying to do, but they're, like I said at the top, they're they're trying to... instead of doing the hard work and trying to grow the game that way, they're doing, well, we're, like I said, they're going to wave the white flag and we're just going to do these changes. And they didn't even consult the players. And that kind of bothers me too.
00:55:50
Speaker
When you've never played football and you're an executive and you're going to make these changes and you don't consult at least some of the elite of the elite in the CFL and the coaches, what do you think about these changes? How do you feel? And they just jumped and they did this behind closed doors and nobody knew about this.
00:56:07
Speaker
I have a little bit of a problem with that. So I don't know. It's just, it looks too American, but I mean, we'll see. I mean, we may look at this going forward in a few years and be like, you know what? These rule changes aren't all that bad, but I'm a little skeptical about it. How do you feel?
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I thought they were going to go a little bit further with the changes. So I'm, I'm not as, um, frustrated obviously as some players like Nathan Rourke who said you know he called those rule changes garbage after he said players weren't consulted right and I think he has a right to be outspoken obviously but um I think i don't, I'm not sure. Like I'm a big fan of obviously the player benches on opposite sides. That should have been done years ago.
00:56:50
Speaker
The unit, the, the unity on end zones being the same width and length. That's a no brainer. 100 yard field. I like that. I liked it. I mean, don't get me wrong. I like that. The CFL has a a wider field. So there's more open room and play and stuff like that.
00:57:08
Speaker
Um, But the 100-yard field, just it just made me confused when they'd get to the 50-yard line and stuff like that. or the Oh, the 55-yard line. Yeah. i just you know i was As a guy who watched American football a lot as a kid, and I'd see that, it just and almost made me laugh. and And so it's nice to see that at least there's a bit more. 100-yard field, so...
00:57:32
Speaker
it's a bit easier to understand and it's a bit ah easier visually to look at too. I don't think it's this jarring. Oh, when what's that's 55 yards, but that could just be me. That could just be somebody who's ah not used to that. Right. So I could see why people might not want that.
00:57:50
Speaker
Um, I think that I'm not sure. like This might be kind of a wild take, but I don't mind them trying to Americanize the game, or at least in your opinion, mimic the American football that we see down south.
00:58:07
Speaker
Because although I like that ours is different, I love that players come from all over the world and like the league and say how much of a breath of fresh air it is and stuff like that.
00:58:18
Speaker
And, you know, we're seeing some of the highest scoring offenses we've seen around in the CFL in a long time. um So maybe the changes weren't necessary right now. But if you don't adapt, then you fall behind, right? So I think the CFL, i think these changes were necessary. That's my opinion.
00:58:36
Speaker
Do you think this can impact how quarterbacks like Rourke are developed and used in the league?
00:58:43
Speaker
That's hard to say because... i i don't I don't know about that because like i I don't know you know how the central scouting or whatever that they they they go through all the quarterbacks and what they pick away. I guess time will tell.
00:59:02
Speaker
i guess that is what I'm going to try to say. I'm going to say in the short term, No. um Or sorry, the long term, maybe no. But the short term, I don't think it'll affect them.
00:59:15
Speaker
um But, I mean, time will tell. i guess we'll see because these rule changes don't start until next year and the year after. So I guess the ripple effect, we won't know and until probably, you know, five years down the road how this going to develop, right? newer quarterbacks.
00:59:31
Speaker
Yeah, the newer quarterbacks, right? Yeah, yeah. I agree. But I think, you know, and you're right. Nathan Rourke had every right to say what he said. Because I think if i if I'm the CFL, he's the guy that I'd be – he's he's the guy that used to be growing the game around, right? I mean, he's he's by far the best player in the league right now.
00:59:51
Speaker
and And so he's the guy, i think he if I was the CFL, he'd be the guy I'd be listening to right now and and and and listening to his you know his opinions. and and And who knows, maybe maybe the CFL over after this all this dust will settle and we go into the off season into the winter,
01:00:13
Speaker
Maybe they might backtrack on some of these rule changes. Maybe we move things a little too quickly without consulting. So we'll see. I mean, like I said, I like I said to you at the top, like I, I'm, I'm, I like some of the rule changes, but I don't like how they're trending to more at the American football type of thing, even though that they're still keeping the three downs and, you know, the, the motions and, and all that.
01:00:40
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And I know a lot of people also said the same thing, also said, so how's this going to affect the the last three minutes in the CFL? Because that ah that's the most um popular part of the game in the CFL is the last three minutes.
01:00:55
Speaker
Best part of the league. Yeah, the best part of the league, best part of the game. So hopefully these changes don't affect the – the The last three minutes. and And I guess a lot of people who are complaining about this and and I didn't think about this. So if you put the goalposts in behind the end zone, there will if somebody misses a field goal, what makes the CFL specialist? So if they miss a field goal, there could be a run back for a touchdown. So that'll be pretty much gone. Right. So.
01:01:24
Speaker
Well, I mean, people will still come up short, but they probably won't miss as bad because, yeah, you got you gotta to kick it, you know, 10 yards further as well as um you got to kick it...
01:01:38
Speaker
don't know. It's 15 yards further, right? They went from 20 to 15 yards. So you got to kick it 15 yards further. so that's, like so I was going to say, ah you you still see college kick returns, or like sorry, kick returns in college football every now and then. that Yeah, but not field goal, kid not not field goal run backs. Oh, sorry. There was a field goal one.
01:01:59
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But really okay it's usually it'll happen when a team is desperate to win and they're really hoping the wins at their back. ah okay Maybe they shank it and that's where the returner comes up because there was there's a famous one in the 2015. I think it's 2015 Iron Bowl, which is Alabama versus Auburn. It's a really famous one down in Alabama.
01:02:21
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um that They play at the end of the year every year. a rivalry game and Alabama goes for the win. They kick a field goal and the the guy shanks it. And the guy who returned the touchdown got it at the back of the end zone and ran it all the way. It was 103 yards or something like that. It was insane.
01:02:40
Speaker
think his name was Chris Martin. I can't remember, but so just a moment that went down and, probably all of football history, at least for a lot of Americans. But yeah, anything else you want to touch base on there for the CFL rule changes there, Lando?
01:02:54
Speaker
Well, one of the things that I i know I'm going little off topic, but something that Farn Longy mentioned on the TSN, I think this was, what I was watching SportsCenter or maybe it's something like that. But anyway,
01:03:07
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or maybe it was Jay Onright's show, one of the two. and And he was saying that the NFL back in the 70s changed the goalposts because the goalposts in the NFL used to be like the CFL. They used to be on the on the goal line.
01:03:26
Speaker
And they moved the goalpost back and and i i asked my dad that i said because he he he knows about the nfl he's old enough to watch the nfl and i said well how's the response to that and he said well obviously there's no social media back then and there's no internet and all that type of stuff but and all that was paper radio and tv but he said Yeah, there's a lot of people in the NFL that weren't really too happy about that too, that they grew, that they played, just everybody started playing football down in the United States and they had the goalposts just like the the CFL and they moved in. And it's like, well, why are we changing the goalposts?
01:04:07
Speaker
If Canada is not doing, why is the United States doing? so there was a little bit of an uproar back in the 70s for that, but yeah. for that but um Yeah, you know, I'm a CFL lover, and and i hope I hope that this doesn't hurt the game is basically what I'm i'm going to – where it comes down to. so i I really hope this doesn't ah hurt the game. I hope that this – their vision will help the game, and, you know, it it's it's still stays the CFL. But I'm a little worried about this, these changes, where they're going with this. So that that's just where I'm at.
01:04:43
Speaker
Yeah, that's a cool mention that you you know you said the NFL had goalposts at the start of the end zone there, and a change to 1974 where they remain today at the back of the end zone.
01:04:56
Speaker
Looks like the reason for the changes was obviously safety, you know a hazard of running into the goal line. A little bit of game strategy involved there too, as it was a obviously an obstacle for passes, but as well as used as a blocker.
01:05:09
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ah during running plays or it could be used as a blocker no and then obviously you know moving the field or the goalpost back fewer field goals right because it's not as close to you so it just is more incentivized to drive down the field and and get some points on the board and and not as easy to you know kick a field goal from the half yard line after you caught the ball and ran touch or touched it back to the 25 yard line or whatever right yeah yeah yeah um Yeah.
01:05:36
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It's, it's, I think it's good in general. So um yeah, that's it for episode four, the Leo and Lando show. So yeah, that's it for episode four the Leo and Lando show from the Jays heating up to McDavid's new deal, the Ryder cup chaos and the CFL's we'll call it identity crisis.
01:05:55
Speaker
It's been a while. Yeah. It's been a wild stretch for sports. Thanks for a lot. Yeah. Thanks for riding along with us. If you've got thoughts on the CFL changes, McDavid's deal, or just one event about Ryder cup fans, please hit us up.
01:06:08
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01:06:50
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