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Another episode that is short and sweet before we go long and deep next week. This episode covers why we would want to conserve Jing and we scratch the surface on some internal cultivation practices.
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The Essence of Jing, Qi, and Shen
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Speaker
Welcome back to Voices on the Mountain. This week, we're going to dive into why you should conserve Jing. Nice. All right. Keep rolling. Should we keep rolling? I did have another weird side question. Oh, yeah.
Kidneys and Their Connection to Qi
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So if we talk about your physiology and your day to day, you know, ah you're burning Jing to turn into Qi and then into Shen. ah Yes. that's good so Wow. This is a big one, by the way. but I'm going to summarize. yeah You are burning Jing. You're fueling the kidneys. um so That's the kidney yin element. and then and It's a slow burn. Don't worry. It's a slow burn. It's what the kidneys are supposed to do. and You're doing that with the kidney yang.
00:00:50
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We put the kidney yin and
Fluid Processing and Nourishing Shen
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kidney yang together. Remember, kidney yin is synonymous with kidney jing. So when you got that kidney jing and the and the kidney yang comes together, that's kidney qi. Once you've got kidney qi, it processes fluids, amongst other things, but really, it's about processing your fluids. And that nourishes your shun. Right. And then in the internal cultivation, we kind of walk it backwards. Yeah, we have qi that then you turn into Shen and then back into Jing. That's a good point. So in internal cultivation, are you talking specifically of one form of it or just all yang sheng in general?
00:01:30
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i I don't know my Aung San well enough to know the difference between vibe and other forms. Gotcha. okay Well, let's let's take a couple because that this does vary based on what you're practicing and like how it's affecting your body. so like For instance, I think a lot of people, this is a nice way to understand some kind of Qigong things.
Internal Martial Arts and Qi Gong Practices
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um so like Let's talk about like say the three major martial arts, internal martial arts, very specific. We're talking about the three major internal ones. And the classic three internal martial arts ah internal martial arts are Xingyi, Taiji, and Bagua. So these are the three biggies. There are other ones. Dacheng Quan is considered, um some people consider that an internal martial art. There's some variation, but the three big ones are always these same ones. So each one of those three has a fundamental qigong to kind of prepare you for it.
00:02:20
Speaker
So most of us have seen the holding ball, and that's actually um a shared qigong posture between both taiji and ba gua. And then there's also um the kind of the rising and falling one where they're kind of in a, mostly a, you know, a standing position and their hands are rising and falling. That's primarily a Tai Chi one. Bagua generally uses, it does use the standing holding ball. Absolutely. It also does the mud walking. A lot of ah schools with Bagua will also use the Yi Jin Jing, like the muscle tendon change classic, kind of like the Chinese yoga that Bodhidharma gave to the Shaolin monks. Anyway, these are those are more associated with Bagua and then mostly because they're strengthening your tendons, which is such a fundamental thing.
00:03:03
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And then when it goes to Xingyi, the Santi stance is really where it's at. So they just practice the Santi stance a bazillion hours a day. So um basically when we think about this, we're thinking, okay, well, we've got ah These are kind of building up the fluids, or I shouldn't even say the fluids, the qi, they're kind of building up the qi, kind of like building the bank account to then use the internal martial art to invest that what you've built up. So that is a form of building up qi, and that truly is, that's just qi. That's like, ah you know, you can call that Yuan qi if you wanted, you could call that even Channel qi, Jing qi. Those are just forms of qi.
Types of Qi and Kidney Qi Formation
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And it's really basically,
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but You're attuning your breath, you're enhancing your breath, so you're getting the ting chi or the heavenly climatic chi component very well. And that really helps rebuild, fortify, use whatever's coming through your spleen much more effectively, and then build up chi. And then with that chi, then you're circulating and doing things in your body. So that's different than kidney qi though, because remember kidney qi is only formed by the kidney jing and the kidney yang together. So there is a difference there. So that's a lot closer to what we call full body yang, even though it's not technically full body yang either. It's kidney yang. Okay. Yeah. And there's no then cultivation. So we have cultivation to preserve the jing that you create through your eating. Correct.
00:04:30
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but we don't have a cultivation that turns qi back into jing. That's kind of correct. Although if you're doing these internal martial arts in qi gong, you'll see that you you do build jing faster. okay But yeah okay it's not technically turning qi into jing. It's just fueling the whole cycle, the circuit that I mentioned starting from the spleen ending in the kidneys. Yeah. Okay. It's through increasing the functionality of everything that you're noticing. Correct. researchaging Rather than attract. That's exactly right. But then there's also other
Jing's Role in Health and Longevity
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ones. We'll even talk about it today. There's ways of trying to use this kidney jing and directly tonify the brain.
00:05:09
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so Right. Well, that would be probably running the run and the do. Yeah. That's exactly running the run and the do. And so this is lifting up through the whole do channel in the back. Some people call those chakras, chakras. I would never was sure how to pronounce that Indian word. Chakras. That's what I say. um and so But basically, we would say, or opening up all those gates, you can call it a lot of things. But that's how you can get this kidney jing to a place that does phenomenal things. I mean, that leads towards nirvana, right? so there's It's not just about health in that case, it's about true Yangshan cultivation. yeah
00:05:41
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Yeah. Deep in that cultivation. Deep. Deep in the kidneys. Do you have more quotes from this section of Cincy Now? Let's do it up. Yeah. So there's ah there's another key one for... um So basically he's talking about, he gave us some guidelines before, he gave us some do's and don'ts, right? So yes, be with your partner. No, don't come too much, that sort of thing. And then he gets to number two, um which is, or the second part of it, which which is basically him trying to convince us why. Don't forget Sun Tzumya was the best doctor of arguably the most most potent or powerful dynasty of China, the Tang dynasty. So we might just want to take his word
Consequences of Jing Depletion
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for it. But even even so, he's like, okay, this is why. So he tries to, a lot of this chapter that is written about this bedroom fatigue
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is really trying to kind of instill in us the importance of it. And so he has this phrase, he says, fānren jīng shāo zu bīng. So ah across the board, when people are low on their jīng, they get disease. It results in disease. jingchnu And when the Jing is completely exhausted, they die. This is a direct understanding. When we don't have kidneys, we don't have longevity. The better the kidneys, the better longevity. I know brain health is a really big one amongst people these days. so Better the kidneys, better the brain health, less the dementia. So um if you want to maintain mental health, it's the same idea. That's also why we say you can turn your kidney Jing literally into um tonifying your brain.
00:07:16
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and Then he go continues and says he says, boo bus which means you cannot but think about this or contemplate this, ah buobu shu which means you cannot but be cautious about this. um which you so he's just so you know This is only one sentence, but he continues on repeatedly being like, guys, I'm really not joking. This is an absolute fundamental part of your health. Which is then makes it all the more shocking that you don't learn about it in in school out here yeah in the West. Do you learn it in in China too, or do they also kind of like keep it under the rug? No, you you you do. I mean, it's talked about briefly, but really the only class that i i ever we ever really kind of discussed this, ah which is where I wrote the paper about this chapter for, is in Yangshong class. So literally a class about Yangshong, this health cultivation. Yeah, no, totally.
00:08:12
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Which depending, I mean, I feel like it could turn out like a bad home ec class, right? Like, ah, shoot, we're just making cookies again, which is really not that bad. Or like they could actually go into some of the do's and don'ts and some of the, like the long history of Yang Sheng like this stuff. Well, I find it I always find it really fascinating. And so I spend some free time looking into like the immortal Taoist stuff and yeah kind of all the you know, well, what do they mean by immortal? Do they just mean living a longer life? Do they mean having a part of your yourself that lives on after you die that you that you still retain some control over instead of the part that lives on after you die? You just go back to some other realm or whatever with no control. You bet.
00:08:53
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um And then there's crossovers. I think in the West, if you're if you're into the esoteric stuff, they talk at the to talk about it the solar body, he which is interesting that it's the solar body that you're trying to create while you're living here on Earth that then lives on after you die. um Because this whole time we're talking about Jing, which would be the Yin side, which would not be the solar side, right? Very obviously. But what do you need to hold the yang down. You need the jing. Correct. So maybe the more jing that you have, the more hold and gravitational pull you kind of you have in your own body. And then what does that lead you? Absolutely. Because you'd never be able to cultivate without the jing, the the yin. And then once you reach that higher cultivation of yang that has the yin to
The Chinese Philosophy of Immortality
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reside in, then eventually once yin passes, can that yang continue?
00:09:47
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Yeah, pretty solid. Yeah, it's interesting points. I mean, really, if you break down the character for immortal, it just means a person on the mountain. and It's just the person. is it Yeah, it's a person radical next to a mountain radical. And so we could have done voices from the mortals or something. I never thought about that, yeah. um Not in a cocky way, of course, peeps out there. we're just ah We just love mountains. But yeah, they keep- They're messing around. They're messing around. We'll goof around with everything, exactly. But yeah, it so and in fact, the the phrase is to become an immortal, not to be an immortal. So in Chinese, it's called cheng xian, and that xian is the immortal. So ba xian is the eight drunken immortals. So really, you can, I mean,
00:10:30
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you know Another good definition of immortal in Chinese is just one who is well cultivated, like a developed human. I mean, who doesn't want that? you know You don't have to be esoteric to be like, I'd like to develop as a human. Right. I mean it's i feel you know it's hard sometimes with all the distractions we have of modern day. Yeah. And it really does if you start doing these practices, you're like, man, they're pulling me in such opposite directions. like One is you know I love to do and then the other one I have to do like the daily life stuff and man, it's a pull away from from your internal cultivation. Yeah, it really is. It's kind of like what you were saying before. It's like you have to build the yin in order to house the yang. I mean, we got to pay the bills so that we can cultivate all this stuff too, right?
00:11:20
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Yeah. Oh, God. Don't talk to me about pills.
00:11:26
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Nice. All right. ah Should we head on? Yeah. we Are we done with why? Yeah, ah kind of. I think we could maybe focus on two other things. So we're we're kind of done with the Sun Tse Myou's why. And then you know I think there's a third reason, which is pretty useful for people, which is you know if we're talking directly to people who will be practicing this method, hopefully, um Because, you know, females can help males practice this. I guess between two females, um you could still use the jade liquid method, but yeah, otherwise it's a little different because usually, you know, women in general just physiologically need to tonify more yang and the other way, men tend to need to tonify more yin just because that's the way we're naturally skewed. um Of course, there's a spectrum. But anyway, so long story short is when ah when you're trying to tell people this technique, you get a lot of resistance.
00:12:20
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Or at least I have. There's not a whole lot of excitement about like, yes, now I don't get to ejaculate. um so But I always try to tell people, okay, well so that's you know we don't have to take Sun Simeo's advice necessarily, but take your own experience. right And if you experience like, I always like to ask him, okay, well, if you don't think that ejaculating has any effect on your health, when's the last time you went to the gym after you ejaculated? Oh, sure. Whatever. Yeah. No, thank you. In fact, you know technically, if if guys are like, yeah, I went ejaculated and then I went and pushed through to the gym, that's actually injury prone. That's it's even worse. Yeah. That's like what we were talking about with the ACL and women's cycles and stuff, how there's different times for their cycles where they're more prone to damaging their ACLs.
00:13:11
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Well, the two big ones for us would be right if if they're prone to stagnation, right at that ovulation time. And it doesn't matter if they're stagnated or not. During the menstrual time,
Ejaculation, Jing, and Qi: A Comparison with Menstruation
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they are at their low. They are not designed um for it. So that's the same thing. A woman at her menstruation is just like a man who's just ejaculated. It's injury-prone for sure. So there's a reason why your body makes you like crumple up into a ball and fall asleep, because you just wrecked all your jig.
00:13:43
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so that's and That's one is I'm like, if you really don't think this is important or you don't you know you don't you're not a believer, um how about don't be a believer, just be an experiencer. right Second one is that instantaneous heat wave that I was talking about. Almost all um men will experience this, but sometimes they're just not aware of it. So check it out, see if you get that wave of heat. It usually rises through your body, often from your lower abdomen on the way all the way up or like your your pelvis all the way up. You also also often um tends to accompany a little bit of like um sweat sometimes, like a light sweat for a second.
00:14:16
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And this is literally, like we said, that kidney yang has no place to reside anymore. So imagine you just immediately take away one third of the housing for a complex. Where's that last third of people going to live? They're just going to you know evaporate, basically. They're just going to disperse out and find new places. So this is our yang literally evaporating out of our body. Not an ideal situation. No. I always feel, though, I get mixed responses. I also i dangle the multi-orgasmic bit as like the carrot. yeah Like, hey, wouldn't this be fun? Because it's it's funny too, because you're you're taught in the West growing up that the male just isn't capable of it, who which is such a dumb evolutionary thing. It's like, where what's the what's the evolutionary sense and in that difference? Why would we have lost the ability to yeah to have multiple orgasms?
00:15:09
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um And it's just that we've tied the orgasm with ejaculations for male in a society. And it's all been about male pleasure. And so like, you know, you getting your nut as the kids like to say these days. that's right ah like a squirrel um is like the squirrel emoji. Yeah. Well, hold my nut. It's really true. I mean, it's it's a perspective changer. if um And you know like some some men are really like either in a hurry to get to ejaculation or can't control it very much. And with the right training and diligence and such, really all of those things can improve drastically. And just like Asher said, you start shifting your your perspective.
00:15:53
Speaker
You know, a lot of, it's interesting, you know, we always, I think everyone wants to satisfy their partner, but ejaculation doesn't always satisfy people, right? If it did, there'd be a lot less dissatisfaction in going around. And so then you're like, well, what does? And oftentimes it's because you didn't, you know, explore the right ways with your partner and have this right interaction or, you know, have the time even during that relation, like that, um like the sexual interaction in order to explore those things. and Those are the real things that can get you to that kind of um psychological satisfaction as well. Yeah, so that that yeah exactly. The climax of the orgasm doesn't and really shouldn't be um one-to-one with an ejaculation. Absolutely, you can have great sex without it.
00:16:41
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right, which is that key bit that you have to split the male mind of. And then you just brought up an interesting thing too, which, ah you know, the psychological bit of your satisfaction of getting your needs met from sex, from touch, from intimacy. And I feel like that's usually a thing that a woman will will have to get in the right mind space, but for for guys I don't know if it's just like a, if it's an actual thing or if it's just a societal pressure thing or whatever whatever that we're just like always ready to go, we're easier. right We talked about earlier, we're the ass, right? So it's like, it'll fucking work, it'll get there, you know? doesn' It doesn't take that much to to turn on the switch for a guy. ah The psychological component doesn't have to maybe be there right as strongly. But when it is there, oh man, is that a game changer?
00:17:30
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And if you can open people up to that, then they can see it too. Totally. Totally. And yeah, I think a lot of times people will use, you know, or they kind of, I don't want to say use sexual experiences or intimacy in different ways. It makes it sound a little bit mechanical, but you know what I mean? Like there's different functions out of it. So some people are just releasing stress with some things, but yeah, to actually get to that climax, I mean, it's true. Check out how many people, you know, maybe ejaculate too quickly and aren't like physically or aren't psychologically satiated. you know I'm talking about the male side even here. um And so then you can clearly see it's not like a guarantee there, but they're probably tired and everything else. And so they just go to sleep and forget about it.
00:18:16
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Well, it's worth thinking about, right? How do you build that? Because the more both partners are satisfied, I mean, great. That that really, that kind of
Enhancing Sexual Experiences
00:18:25
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gets to the fourth one. i always I try and sell it like, you know, this is this can really improve your sexual experience for you as an individual. So if we're talking about the men, and for your partner, if whoever that partner may be, male, female, whatever else. But it's a great way for you to like um you to heighten your experience as well as half the time, the space, and then you know build techniques and so forth. Sometimes when people don't have the time and space to do that and intimacy because of urgency or whatever else, they're just never getting to that next stage. Yeah, I think yeah you keep on repeating but the time and space thing and that's always, you know you have to make time in your schedule to do it.
00:19:02
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yeah Orgasm shouldn't be like the goal for other people, right? It's like, oh, let's hang out for a couple hours and just explore and know each other and have fun and take breaks and giggle. And when you do that too, it's it's a longer process. um There's far more disability to be and to be present. And I think that's just such a huge, I think paradigm shift from from where our culture is at with sex. It's all about that utilitarian use of getting something out of it, which is just unfortunate. You bet. man And then I feel like, you know, if if men are like really like, got to, it's like, it's just about the nut as you know, as we we're talking about, then it's like, you know, you find them still like, okay, they're gonna, you know, scroll on their phone afterwards, because then they're still like mentally bored or something or like, you're like, clearly, this wasn't the climax that anyone that you were looking for, you know,
00:19:59
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Totally. Or then you're back to back having sex over and over again. and you're like but did you So you're not getting what you you needed? Yeah. Great. right On a certain point, um you're like, no, no, I just i just really like it. And it's like, well, you're you're trying to get a need met, and you keep on coming up short. Right. And so yeah to you keep on going back. You're chasing the dragon.
Episode Conclusion and Teaser
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You're doing this thing. but You just had dinner? You're having dinner again? I just really like dinner. So the first one wasn't satisfying? well Yeah. No, that's a really good point. Like you'd never, if it was food or something else, right? You'd never go back and back and... Yeah. Solid. All right. So those are the big, you know, kind of the big four. um Sun Tse-meow's, all his goodness, kind of that connection to the kidney jing was number two, um experiential. It'd be our number three and number four would be how it can really shift your your experience for you and your partner. Sweet. So we're going to get into now, how do we do this?
00:20:58
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