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Legendary Figures in Medicine and Agriculture
00:00:09
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You ready to go? Everything, we're ready to go. Sweet. So, ghost points, Steven. We learn about them in school. I know they come from Sun Simeo. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, Sun Simeo. Sun Simeo, the legend. He is the legend. He's my all-time favorite doctor, actually. Yeah, you run into that a lot, I think. Yeah, the number one.
00:00:34
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Well, it was really hard. So it was basically between him, Zhang Zhongjing and Zhu Danxi. These are my three favorite dudes, just huge influences, obviously. But Sun Tse-myeo, I mean, his claim to fame, obviously living forever. They always show him as like, because he lived well over a hundred years
00:00:52
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in the Tang Dynasty man, like well over 100 years old, and he was just a master of everything. He discovered more single herbs than any single human, even more than shundal, if you call that a human. That's the gardener, the cultivator. Sometimes they call it divine farmer. Yeah, that's the one I know. Yeah, but that's a little bit funny because
00:01:19
Speaker
he, you can call him that, but it's really because his name is what then agriculture became. So it's kind of going backwards to call him the divine farmer instead of being like, he gifted farming and medicine to the Chinese people. So he's like a, yeah, he's a
00:01:37
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you know, legendary character that supposedly had little horns on the sides. How big? It's up to you. I would go nubbin size. Yeah, I've seen most of them nubbin size. Yeah. Does that mean he's on the same level then as Bien Chue? Yeah, Bien Chue is certainly considered a real human, but then
00:01:59
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became deified. So almost more Taoist God-like because he got such a high level of understanding that everyone would be like, oh yeah, he got it. He opened everything up. He's immortalized. Yeah, literally. That's what the Taoist immortals,
The Development of Ghost Gate Points
00:02:17
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right? You get to that level when you're... Right.
00:02:20
Speaker
Exactly. And then Biencia then had to pick up a legendary trait. And so his was that his top half of the body, much like a centaur stayed human, but then the bottom half of the body became a bird. Bird. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought it was a bird head. It's not his head. I think it's his, I'm pretty sure it's his lower part. That'd be hilarious though. If it was bird head, then I mean, shoot, acupuncture would be way easier.
00:02:44
Speaker
You give three pecs to this point. Exactly. How many pecs to treat a patient? Exactly. It's kind of like Michael Keaton's Birdman, but you know, with a few more divine gifts. Didn't he make a movie called Birdman? Yeah. Well then, and then I always think of because I'm from the Bay Area, I always think of the guy who tried to escape Alcatraz. Oh, was there? I thought that was just like Capone or somebody.
00:03:09
Speaker
No, there's been a couple. Birdman, I know, I think they never found his body, so they don't know if he survived or not. Birdman is delicious, according to sharks. So just the really cold water, man. I mean, it's not like out here in Hawaii. It's like you get in that water, you can make that within a couple of minutes. There are tons of sharks, though, because I think it's where the warm water of the bay from San Jose meets the big... So I guess there's a ton of sharks usually underneath
00:03:38
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the Golden Gate Bridge a lot. So, good luck for them. Oh, but interestingly, bringing up Bien Chue, he's the source originally of what they called Gui Man points. So, like, ghost gate points. Oh, okay. So, we have a predecessor. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, he's the, he's kind of like the original and then, and he did so many things. He's kind of the level of Huatl, like, just like,
00:04:07
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the top notch, who also has to be in the running for everyone as your top doctor too, but everyone's got their own priorities. And then later on, Sun Tse-myeo basically refined it to a specific 13 points and in a 13 point sequence. And that's why to this day, his are kind of the more famous ones.
00:04:29
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Cool. Yeah. Well, I grabbed my ghost point list from Dr. Wang Ji's book, my channel theory. And then when we were going over it, I was like, I'm missing one. I only have 12.
00:04:43
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And I don't know if the order, I mean, it's the order that was given in the book. Uh-huh. But now I'm curious of if there's discrepancies there as well. Well, certainly 12 to 13, because as mysterious as Chinese medicine is, they would not name 13 points 12 points. Unless the last one was just like, figure it out. Yeah. Right. And some extra point somewhere. I don't know. Yeah. A lot of these are kind of like, some of them are certainly off channel points. Okay.
00:05:13
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Cool. So we're going to go over them in order. But first, I want to go over, because I think we all have a rough idea of what we're doing with ghost points. We're treating some kind of psychosomatic, mental, emotional thing going on in the body. But do we have good descriptions from the classics about what these are and what we're doing?
00:05:35
Speaker
Great point. Yeah, so Asher is spot on. Without a doubt, this is like psychosomatic, emotional, like mental disturbances sort of thing. How you read into that is, of course, up to the practitioner. And I think that's why some people are gravitated towards this. I found that
00:05:55
Speaker
Well, I didn't even know five element acupuncture was a thing until I came back to America because it doesn't exist in China because five elements is just an inherent part of Chinese medicine that you would never separate as its own thing.
00:06:08
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But then I found out that a guy named Worsley, British fellow, I believe, came in and set up his own school, and then blinking it, of course, as everyone likes to do, to the classics, but then branching off in really different ways. A lot of times when people are like, oh, I don't do Chinese medicine, I do five-element, that's a little bit weird. That's like saying, oh, I don't do Coca-Cola, I just do caramel-colored syrup.
00:06:37
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Yeah, but it's in the same thing, right? And we can't make poke without it. And we can't understand organ relationships without five element theory.
The Role of Ghost Points in Mental and Emotional Health
00:06:45
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I think maybe what they mean is that we specialize in that to a further degree. But a really big point I would recommend that everybody, practitioner, shoot even patients pay attention to is
00:06:58
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if they're gonna claim the authority of the classics, how true to the classics do they stay? So that's an interesting point. Anyhootie, I hear it's used a lot for emotional stuff in these parts. So I don't know about that, but this one is very much. So the 13 ghost points without a doubt has a long-standing classical usage of emotional, psychosomatic, and so forth. But classically, they would say it tends to be more for severe mental issues.
00:07:27
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I know that I've heard about practitioners here doing it for other things, which is fine. But classically, it's more severe. And the two big ones that they usually point to are epilepsy. Well, actually three. So epilepsy, mania, and therefore the opposite of mania. So kind of like bipolar, and then also schizophrenia. Okay. And pattern wise, you know, you say epilepsy, I immediately think some component of wind going on.
00:07:57
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The schizophrenic, I've never really, I guess, considered. I'm kind of wondering if we're looking at a heat fire type over there. You bet. In fact, these points are often described as not only just treating these mental disorders, but can also just treat extreme heat-related illnesses as well.
00:08:19
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Okay. So yeah, epilepsy, the mania part is so, so common with the heat, that sort of thing. Yeah. But then it flips too, right? Cause we're also then talking about the depression, which would be a lack of any kind of movement in the home. Correct.
00:08:36
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correct so like for instance we usually refer to Kwang means like manic crazy Dien means like the opposite it's like the total yin blocked off almost like autistic where you can't connect to the entire world but like everything is yin and you're in your own world and then Dien Shin is epileptic so that's where they cross that boundary too.
00:08:58
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Gotcha. Yeah. And then schizophrenic in Chinese is called... What is it? It's... which is like... That's actually just comes from the Western word, but it basically just means a split of your consciousness, like you're splitting your mind. So kind of to multiple personalities or other things like that. Yeah. And what mind are we talking about for us?
00:09:26
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Well, they say Qingshan in this case. So it's more of a modern word. Yeah. But that classic word would usually just mean like, kind of like where you're taken over by another personality or something. And hence, why all these things are often called ghost points, because it's like you're almost taken over by another entity for a time period, right? Yeah, absolutely. And both the epilepsy, the mania and the schizophrenia, you all have that
00:09:54
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very stark split between maybe an everyday person and another presentation. Yeah, exactly. So first one I got on my list is Du26. GuiGong. Du26. That's right. It is GuiGong. It's Du26 right here. Yeah. Underneath the nose on the, how do you call it? Frenulum.
00:10:19
Speaker
You know, one of the funny English words, the funny alum is like the human version of a Funyan. Um, hopefully not. That's probably not the most popular human anyway. So, uh, yeah, great, which does translate as, um, you can translate that as, uh, ghost palace. So this word ghost, then I think, so if we're going to go to translation now for each of these 13 points, we probably have, of course, have to start with the word ghost.
00:10:45
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And remember, ghost can mean like a demon or that thing. But just like Asher was saying, it's really like we are taken over by another entity or another strong impulse, that sort of thing. So you could even argue that there are strong emotional things like PTSD people. Certainly it looks like they're taken over by things when an attack hits and so forth. So this, of course, can be expanded to any of those things. But this is where most of the time
00:11:13
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So Chinese medicine is not shamanism. It hasn't been that for 3,000 years. And maybe it came from some originally with some Taoists and stuff. But certainly by the time our greatest books are written, like the Nijing, there's a stark contrast between this and original shamanism and stuff, which certainly existed in Asia, but that's not what we do. And that's why a lot of people are like, oh, well,
00:11:35
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some of these really big words like xie xie or evil qie or evil demon qie or something ridiculous like this. Yeah, but we were so far past shamanism that it doesn't, it's not even close to that anymore. It's like where we'd already gone into a really analytical, some would often say scientific analysis of the body, its functions, its organs and so forth. And so that's why xie xie translated that way is ridiculous. And instead, it should be like an imbalancing force to the body.
00:12:01
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But here, gwe really does mean that, kind of taken over by another entity. And then each one of the points starts with the word gwe, or ghost, or however you want to translate that, and then another word. So this one is gong, which can mean palace. And the key here is that palace is the first place you come into something.
Understanding Chinese Medicine: Stagnation and Liver Health
00:12:21
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So it's kind of like the entryway, or like the guest hall, that sort of thing. It's like a vestibule. The atrium.
00:12:30
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Yeah. Ghostatrium. Ghostrium, exactly. And that's why I've heard this from another practitioner, I forget the name, but in America, who I think is writing a book about these 13 points.
00:12:46
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But I just heard a wee little Spotify bit off of a podcast here any hoodie And she also referred to this correctly that it's like kind of like an entryway to the 13 points And that is correct because that's what going here really means it can mean palace But it's really the entryway and in fact we know this because there's another point called ting go right here It's one of these three points right at the ear. Okay, these little mini guys you got ting go
00:13:15
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Arman and Ting Hui. So this is the idea where Gong is like an entryway into the hearing function and or the ear, right? And hence the word Ting Gong means listening palace. Gotcha. Or hearing audio palace, audio function palace. Now,
00:13:36
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taking it a little bit out of order, but adding a point that's really close to Gui Gong would be Gui Shi, which would be Ren 24. Yes. And right below the lip. Correct. And when I saw both of those together on the list, I thought, oh, are they kind of talking about connecting the Ren and the Du? You know, these massive channels are part of getting them back on track. Is it a part of this treatment protocol? Absolutely. Okay.
00:14:05
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Absolutely. I like what you're talking about. We know that that's part of it because a big part of these points isn't deficiency, it's actually stagnation.
00:14:16
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Hence, Asher's right, if you can get the ren and the chong and the dew and everything flowing in the center line, you can really reactivate a lot of things because stagnation by definition means too much in one area and deficiency in another, but it doesn't mean a full body deficiency. It means that it's like the chain, what is it? The chain of goods.
00:14:37
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supply chain, the supply chain problems that we've all experienced nicely for COVID. It's not like China doesn't have toys. They just aren't here, right? So it's like too much toys at the gates, at the ports in China, not of toys here. So yeah, that's very similar to stagnation. And hence it's not about building more toys. It's about moving the toys that are already there. Yeah. It's so funny that you say that because the same train of thought is often how I think about liver blood and trying to create liver blood.
00:15:07
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It's not that, you know, like the liver needs to create more blood, but it's that more blood that's created from spleen and then move with heart kind of thing needs to get to the liver and be nourished there. That's right. Yeah. So right. And Asher brings up really good point too. Like, so first of all, generating liver blood has really nothing to do with the liver. It's a spleen that does that. And then secondly, a lot of times when people have blood deficient symptoms,
00:15:36
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they might not even have say like a blood deficient looking tongue or a thin pulse. And yet you notice blood deficient symptoms like so maybe they get cold, especially in their hands and feet. That's not exclusively blood deficient, but it can be. Maybe they have dry flaky scaly skin, often blood deficient or blood heat. And so the point here is if you can circulate the blockages, the blocked blood and get that blood back into circulation and having a function again,
00:16:03
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then 100% of their blood is actually working. Because if 20% of their blood is turned into stasis, it's clearly not doing the blood's job. So they might have that blood in their system, but adding more blood is not going to fix that problem. It's about activating the blood that's become dysfunctional. Love it. That's also the next step in everyone's diagnosis. It's like, okay, I can see that there's blood deficiency, but why? Is it just the stagnation and then the blood deficiency will go away?
00:16:33
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Cause I don't see it in the tongue, right? I don't see it in the pulse. I see it a little bit here and there. It kind of flares up. It kind of goes away. It doesn't seem to be the center of the pattern, but it's happening all the same. So good, dude. So good. And then, yeah, man, Asher brings up such a good point. Cause yeah, we can treat blood deficiency, but like you said, from what? Or then once you figure out, like maybe it's something from like birth. So like one of my patients, she's been dealing with blood deficiency symptoms.
00:17:04
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for literally like 16 years because her oldest son is 16 years old. Or no, 18 years old now, yeah. So 18. From her giving birth. She gave birth to two boys, yeah. And after the first boy, she started having some of these symptoms and it never changed. And then she came to see me probably starting two years ago now. And we've obviously been working on them. But that's an interesting point where we can clearly say, oh yeah, that's where it came from.
00:17:30
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But then there's also the idea of how do we build her blood? So a lot of people like this, it's like, like we said, you have to go through this plane to build blood. But if you give her a classic blood building formula, like say, kwepeetang, oftentimes it overheats her. And you're like, oh, shoot, well, I can't just build blood because now it's exacerbating what's called blood heat.
00:17:51
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And so then you're like, oh, well, how do I build blood without generating heat? And so then that becomes a different. So even though the diagnosis is somewhat straightforward, the treatment strategy then becomes a little challenging. Sure. Well, maybe some of those blood cooling herbs, you're so fond of over there. I am fond of some blood coolers. That's right. Keeps you cool, man. All right. The next two I have on my list are the tie-in jing well points.
00:18:19
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Yeah, that's right. So one was Gui Gong that you mentioned. And then that's right. We got some, we got two Jing Wells. So Gui Xin. That's right. And Xin. Gui Lei. Exactly. Third tone, Lei. Gui Lei. Yep, that's right. So Gui Xin is also Shaohsiung, the Jingwell of the lung. And then Gui Lei is the Jingwell of the spleen. Whatever those numbers are.
00:18:48
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One, no, one's 11 and one's one, right? One, 11, spleen one. Get it. And then, so for the names on these bad boys, how did they translate? Gui Xin for you. Ghost communication? That's reasonable, that's reasonable. Given the reason I just have a note somewhere is that long governed qi, and so that was the impetus of using that one.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was interesting that it was both the tie-in points and it was the Jing Wells because that made me think wind and strong movement again. Interesting. What was the connection to wind there? Just that I'll bleed Jing Well points for wind. I dig it. And then certainly lung is afflicted by wind a lot. Yeah. And then we all know what a windy spleen sounds like. Sounds gassy. Is that spleen or is that stomach at that point?
00:19:43
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It can be both. That's a great question too. There's a few formula people out there. There's a formula called tung she yao feng, which literally means the painful diarrhea essential formula. As one might guess, this is for treating painful diarrhea, but it's a specific kind of diarrhea. It's where you get lower abdominal cramps that then subside after a diarrhea bowel movement. Okay, sure. This is truly liver overactive.
00:20:12
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Whereas 95% of everything that people say is an overactive liver is exactly the other wrong way. It's an underactive liver. And you'll know that, so for you practitioners out there, I may have, that may be a little bit of a mind bender right there that we just dropped, but here's a
Future of Herbal Medicine and New Programs
00:20:28
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big point. If you're going to use CHI who to fix it, it's not liver overacting.
00:20:33
Speaker
So one more time, if you're going to use chai hu or some other herb that moves the liver or dredges the liver to fix it, it can't be overacting. That's underacting. So here's a good example. If someone comes to you and they have episodic
00:20:46
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lower abdominal pain, cramping, that then gets better after having loose diarrhea, probably flares when they're stressed and upset, better when it's not. If you're thinking about IBS syndrome, sure, a lot of people are like this, but then they're an interesting one because they can go back and forth. Here's an interesting point. You give those people chai hu, get ready for an explosion. Oh my gosh, you're going to make this shit worse, literally make this shit worse.
00:21:13
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Yeah, because the liver is already doing too much. It's doing too much moving. Correct. That's right. The whole goal there is to rein the liver in. Well, we know that one of the best ways to rein the liver back in is with sour, astringent, yin-nourishing herbs. But specifically, it has to nourish one of the two parts of liver yin, which is either ying-nutritive
00:21:34
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or blood. And in this case, we go ying-nutritive. And so there's a single herb that does all that. It's sour, it astringes inward, and it nourishes ying-nutritive and or that fluid component of the liver, yin. And that's called bai-shao. Oh, okay. Yeah. So tung-chi hefeng is based on bai-shao. And while we're here, I think because the part of the original conversation where you, we were all in clinic form, I remember,
00:21:59
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when you were first like, oh, this is actually the Xiaoyang syndrome of alternating loose stools in constipation was that the constipation was the liver underacting and the diarrhea was liver overacting. So true. Well memorized or well remembered or yeah, memorized in a good way. Yeah. Well, I mean, you said it made sense. I think it clicked for a lot of us. Nice. Yeah.
00:22:25
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You're so spot on, man. And so that's another case. So like, as we mentioned, Tongzhi Aofong does work for certain kinds of IBS. We don't treat IBS, we treat patterns and circumstances of IBS, right? In which case, I think we do it much better. But just remember, we don't treat disease, we treat syndromes. So then just like Ash was saying, here when you're doing, when they've got sometimes too much, sometimes too little and goes back and forth. And when we say alternating, we usually mean within days.
00:22:52
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There are such people who will be constipated for two weeks and then loose for like five weeks and then sometimes goes back and forth, but that's usually not the case. That's like getting over food poisoning or something else like that. But this is like, oh, two days on, two days constipated, two days loose, two days constipated, two days loose. Oh, I got really stressed, now really loose and belly cramps.
00:23:11
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I'm less stressed. And so maybe more constipated, occasionally a normal one. So these sorts of IBS people, and they might be IBS, they might be other things. Those ones need to go in both directions. And so we usually use a one to one ratio of Shihua and Baishal. Oh, okay. Awesome. There's a famous formula with the two in there. Yeah, but those two and it's called Sinisan. Okay.
00:23:35
Speaker
Sweet. So yeah. Getting a head start on those herbs. Uh, for those of you who don't know, Steven's going to start, uh, another herb program. That's right. Doing a whole new herb annual program. Yeah. Starting when sometime next year, beginning next year, starting January, 2024. Sweet.
00:23:56
Speaker
Yeah. So you're interested in herbs. We're doing it from A to Z. We're starting what they call single herbs here, which really should be double herbs into how we're going to be teaching them because you can't learn single herbs one at a time. That's just impossible. No brain will do it unless you grew up with herbs.
00:24:15
Speaker
That is one thing. I met some Cantonese people in China. My Chinese side of the family is Cantonese too, but we grew up in America. So we didn't have a whole lot of herbs here. We still have some good Chinese food though, Cantonese food. Anyway, but Cantonese people who grew up in Canton, basically all of them are familiar with some herbs because almost all of them have their parents grow herbs in the house and they'll put them in the soups and they'll be like, oh, of course you're good for nourishing fluids because we use it for when we're dry.
00:24:43
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, but nobody else knows that. Then they sail through herbs class being like, guys, why are you struggling with this? It's so easy. Then they get the formulas and they struggle harder than any of us because we were all used to busting ass. Then they're like, oh shit, I don't really have to think about this now.
00:25:01
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Totally. Because no one knows, like, oh, of course you're going to use Qinghao and Biajia at the same time because you need Biajia to drop into the yin layer and then Qinghao to vent from that. No. Are you kidding me? Any layman tells me that? I'd be like, what temple did you grow up at? But they get the basics. So anyway, it starts with single herbs, then it goes to formulas, and then it ends with internal medicine. And it's all in one fell swoop, meaning a year, which is
Metaphysical Elements and Emotional Health in Chinese Medicine
00:25:27
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not bad. No, that's great. I need you to learn from Steven.
00:25:30
Speaker
Yeah, and I should be there. Yeah, I will be. Yeah. So you get to get to hang out with it'll be like a podcast all by itself. No, I'll be the quiet one in the quarter. So I doubt that you've always got the best questions. Thanks. Okay, so for the question.
00:25:49
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Oh yes, back to Guishin. Yeah. So it can be communication, but it's often talked. So sometimes they'll call this ghost letter too, which sounds ridiculous unless you remember that there is such a thing where when people in China die, you have to write like a passing, a letter of passing. Oh. And so this is like, uh, I don't know what we call eulogy. Yeah, basically. Exactly. But it's like, I don't know if it's read at a funeral or anything, but it is that letter. Okay.
00:26:17
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So it often references that. So then like, what does that have to do with the point then? Like, and you got it using the point. So usually this would be the passing of the ghost, hopefully not the passing of the patient. Sure. Okay. Gotcha. So like the reading of the ghost. Yeah, like get the ghost out of the body. Exactly. Okay. And then
00:26:38
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Oh, and we'll go back to all three, all these points as we go back, we'll go to the sequencing, we're going to go through one through 13, probably. But then we'll also go through because the classic like, there's a classic depth at which you need all of them as well. And then is it hot? Is it cold and so forth? Oh, okay. Are we how are we doing for sequence compared to your sequence? Oh, we're spot on. We just finished one and two. Okay, cool. And then spleen one.
00:27:02
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Gui Le, ghost hutch, I have as my translation. What's a hutch? A place where a ghost would reside. Oh, like a cabinet? Yeah. Or like a little house kind of thing. Oh, that's closer. This would be like a shack. Ghost shack. Yeah, we have a couple down by the beach, you know. It's abandoned, made of driftwood, looks like it's going to fall over. Nice. If it does, it'll just be more fun. Yeah.
00:27:32
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Lay is a fascinating word. This one is talking about like a mound of earth basically. So the key here is that lay, I don't know where Hutch comes from, but you could think of it as like a ghostly mound or anything like that.
00:27:48
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Most sources would describe this as yin being earth, yang being heaven, like climate heaven, there's no divinity involved in Chinese medicine. And then therefore, clear yang things come from love and
00:28:04
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uh yin things i will say the word turbid yin but it doesn't mean turbid necessarily in a bad way but turbid yin things come from below and hence when we breathe when we need to make energy we need to breathe in clear yang oxygen from the air and we need to take in um
00:28:19
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turbid yin food which means like rich nutrient dense food from the earth. So that's how we've always seen the world from a Chinese medicine perspective. But the key here is what does lei mean, this mound of earth? Usually it's considered the opposite of more the ethereal shun.
00:28:37
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So it's like where? So Shen being a Yang element and this being the opposite. So you could call it Gui or something that inhibits the Shen is how I would actually translate that. That last part is me, not classic sources. Gotcha. Good distinction. And so when we think about like the metaphysical elements of let's just stick to the five Zhang organs because it's easier. You got the Shen in the heart, the Hun in the liver and so forth. These are actually Yang components of all those, right? So when we talk about how am I going to activate the E of the spleen?
00:29:07
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That's a confusing question for a practitioner, right? A muggle sometimes will ask a good question like that and you'll be like, well, I'll just use tummy points, you know? But it's like, really? I mean, but if you think about it, it's really about tummy yang. I would spill a spleen yang. I'm sorry. I went muggle for a second.
00:29:27
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So that tells us that these metaphysical elements and hence Shun stuff is all the Yang side. Well, what tends to interfere with Yang's movement? Yin pathogens. And so the biggest one being dampness. And so if you look, why is this on the spleen channel? Why is it the Jing well the spleen? Because when you get a really bump in spleen, you process your dampness. Well, you process your fluids really well, not generating any dampness.
00:29:53
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And so it's just the strong clearing function of the Jinghua that we're looking at then. Yes, I would say so. Yep. And then therefore it can uninhibit, if you will, the Shen. Sweet. On all the Shen bits being young, that makes a lot of sense, but I'm curious about if the Po then is
00:30:17
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is more of it is the most yin out of all them because it is the corporal it's like it's the body one and then it also doesn't make the after death it doesn't like make the transition back into the heavens right it kind of stays here and just is done
00:30:35
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That's a really interesting point. That is such an interesting point. So part of that, I would think we would have to address that. As far as I know, Choch invented these names for, I'm just calling him Choch, for these five different metaphysical elements. So I assume he calls Shun spirit. Is that right? Yeah. When is what? Ethereal something? Yeah. Ethereal soul.
00:31:03
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And then pause, corpuscular soul, body, soul, body, soul. Um, yeah, I have no idea where he pulls that shit out. I'm sorry. I just have to be straight up. I think he just winged it. Um, this is one of the first conversations that we have. And then we, we put a pin in it and we go, okay, this is something we gotta go dig back into and peace out. Um,
00:31:30
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It's so true. It really is a biggie because this gets back to a really fundamental idea. A lot of people in Chinese medicine either don't have a definition and try and work off of that, which is, as you can guess, problematic, or they have a wacky definition and then they work off that, which is extremely problematic too. All these Gui points that we're going over have been translated, whether or not the translation is reliable, of course, is questionable.
00:31:55
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And then people elaborate off of that as they should. That's what people are supposed to do. They're supposed to take what they're given and then practice it and elaborate it and figure it out and analyze it. And so here's the big problem, which is when people are given these wacky names that as far as I can tell, Machocha just literally winged and made up. Then they start thinking like, oh, well, that is different. So like an ethereal soul versus a corporal soul. Does that mean the poor never leaves? No, no.
00:32:20
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What he really, I don't know if he was going for this, but the only thing that he could have gone for is that the pull is really about reflexive function in our body. So when they check your elbows and knees at the old school doctor's office, I don't think he's there anymore. Now it's all in telemedicine anyway. All right, hit your knee right here and see what happens. Right. And that reflex action is the pull.
00:32:44
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That's the pole. Yeah. So that's not the only thing, but that tells us some really key things. The pole doesn't really come into consciousness. Meaning you don't try and move your arm. You don't try and move your leg when you whap it. And the reflex spot, it just moves. Similarly, night walking. Like, is that what we call that? Sleepwalking. Night walking. White walkers? Night walking?
00:33:12
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You're a witch. I almost always treat that as a lung issue because they're not aware of their physical movement. It's almost a reflexive movement. If he meant that, kudos to him, but as far as I can tell, he doesn't even go in that far because then people would at least have that tidbit of knowledge.
00:33:33
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But similarly, the hwin also has sleeping issues, that controls sleeping in a very large way with the shun. So the hwin and the shun are by far the two most important when it comes to sleeping. Yes, we deal with the stomach and yes, we deal with the kidneys for those of you who are getting really specific, but it's usually in conjunction with those top two.
00:33:54
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And so then we'd say, you know, all the shun and the huan therefore are really key for that different function. So what I recommend people do is don't translate these words. Just use shun, huan, poi, yi, zhir, these five, and then think about them as a function.
Emotional Impact on Organs in Chinese Medicine
00:34:10
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And that's useful. So like if we know that zhir is helpful in memory, as well as find motor control with your hands. Great. That means someone comes in and you think their zhir is out of whack.
00:34:21
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What do you ask them? How's your memory? Do you have any brain fog? And how's your fine motor control? Can you thread a needle? Can you do all those things? And check it out how many of them can't. You probably did that because you felt a low kidney pulse, either yin or yang. Now, someone might ask an awesome question. Wait the heck, you just said all this yang stuff. Why are we checking it if they've got a low yin pulse? And here is a big one that I bet... Do you want to take this one?
00:34:48
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Like if someone has a low kidney impulse, why would I still be asking about their juror function, which is in their kidneys? Because you need the end to ground the young, otherwise it'll just escape.
00:34:59
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Yes, yes. So that's it. How come swans are in town work so well for anchoring the hood? Because it calms the hood while giving it yin to anchor it in there. So Asher hit that spot on. So yeah, yang can't reside without yin. But these are yang functions we're really dealing with. Sweet. Okay, we have to do a whole five douxing spirits at some point. Yeah.
00:35:27
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You betcha. Like you can call those the five different Shun or the five different Jir. Okay, the five Jir, the Wu Jir. That's right. Okay. One thing that I do remember from Choch while we're here is that the pole and the Jir come in to the body together and the Shun and the Hun come into the body together. Interesting. Yeah. Like just like on a daily basis?
00:35:51
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I think more on your baby born, that they're more linked on the two sides. Interesting. That's a really interesting point. I'd be curious to see if he has any foundation for that. Probably not. Probably not. That is interesting. Does he tell the people that the booty hole is called the pole gate, the gate of pole? Yeah, I don't know where. I know I have that in my head. I don't know where I got that one from though.
00:36:17
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It's pretty useful and a lot of people forget how key, how really, it's not even just peripheral. Literally, your lung function is huge in the ability to have regular bowel movements.
00:36:29
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But interestingly, if you look at all that, so lungs, helpful for bowel movements. Liver, oh my gosh, we just talked about IBSC people, super helpful for keeping things regular bowel movements. Spleen, I mean, that's exactly the tract you're dealing with. So we've got three of the five dong organs already. Heart, that's an interesting one. Not a ton of function related to bowel movements. And then kidneys, there is. So kidney indiviciency can lead to constipation as well.
00:36:54
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Would the heart one be the emotional aspect? Like that the liver... Like calm the bubble. That if you're like stressed, anxious, like it's going to be the liver that's doing it, but then also the heart's damaged in that way too. Maybe. That's an interesting point. Yeah. And this gets to an interesting other fact, which is that, you know, I know we often say the word heart when we're talking about like emotional things.
00:37:22
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But I think, this must come from Machocha. I've seen it in way too many students in schools across different bodies. But you know, every emotion, if anything, all of our emotions, if we were gonna say one organ has to be liver first, not heart. Yeah, no, that's a Machocha thing. It's all emotions like damage the heart or. What the? Yeah, oh my God, that one's so core too. You get quizzed on that too.
00:37:47
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Yeah, because I've heard ... I've had real effort put into trying to shift students away from that. More specifically, we'd say each emotion affects each organ separately. Right. Sure. Right. Grief and sadness really do affect your lungs. Check it out. When people are dealing with grief and sadness, oh man, if nothing else, palpate lung one. I know that one because I know the first one. For sure. Right? You want another mind blower? Palpate lung one and see if they fit Xiao Chai Hu Tang.
00:38:17
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Boom. That's a mind-blower, isn't it? Well, I don't know. I mean, I've taken a shout out to you, Tom, but I'm not quite sure. I know we're moving liver cheek, but I don't know quite what else. Yeah. So is this going to be then that the grief and worry is affecting the lung through the inability to be expressed, to be moved? But it could be.
00:38:41
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Or in the, you mean for the shock childhood element that was just mentioned. That's actually the liver, not transporting for the middle burner. Liver gallbladder, not transporting for spleen and stomach. And then you might be like, well, what in the world is after you have lungs? Yeah, that's what I'm like. Yeah, exactly. Right. But do you remember where the lung channel starts? And the lower abdomen. In the middle, middle burner. Yeah. So, and if you think about it, what, where does the lung channel get all its, where does it carry the baton from? Who passes it on?
00:39:11
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Well, true. It's in the middle burner, but in the 12 organ cycle, who's passing the baton? Yeah. Yeah. So when liver gets stuck because it can't pass the baton off to the middle burner, which is really the lung in the middle burner, then you see this blockage. And so lung one is actually a really good diagnostic point if the liver and gallbladder are not transporting for the spleen and stomach, which is one of the absolute fundamental reasons. It's one of the two biggest patterns we use Xiao Chai with time for.
00:39:40
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Wow. New ideas for populating Long Wan has nothing to do with the lung. Sweet. I know, but that's actually, you'll know that it works or what it's designed for because of the name of Long Wan, which means middle foo organ. Ah, yeah. Zhongfu is the middle foo organ, that's right. That's it for this week. Join us next week for part two of this episode of Ghost Points.