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The Exorcist III: Ghost Points
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Finishing off the Ghost Points
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Introduction & Voices on the Mountain
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Speaker
Welcome back. This week, voices on the mountain. We're finishing up ghost points. Stick around. Next one, I have ran one. Correct. For the next one, your list.
Is There a Ghost in Gui Song?
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Speaker
Okay. So, Gui Song. Yeah. Question. Like you're asking a question. Gui Song. Song. Good. Do you have a ghost in your Gui Song?
00:00:31
Speaker
That's true. So this one is actually separated between men and women.
Exploring Ren One & Gender Differences
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Speaker
So, uh, classically they say men is the Huayyin point, which if you, you know, based on practitioner and really boy, this, I would recommend you do this Dr. Guatapia very well, but Ren one is never in the middle. It doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, it's never halfway between your, your front genitals and your, your booty hole. It's, it, it, it's actually towards the, uh, a quarter away from the backside for men.
00:01:01
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and a quarter away from the front side for women. But it's never in the middle.
Shifting Needling for Safety & Effectiveness
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So, this is the perineum that we're talking about, halfway between the front and the back junk. But the key here is that for ladies, it really is like a quarter away from the bottom of the vaginal opening, the bulabia. And then for men, it's like a quarter away from the anus. So, it's a game changer. If we're not even just talking about ghost points, but this is a good time just to, again, to shout out to all those practitioners.
00:01:33
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You can really change things differently if you shift how you're needling this. Not only that, I don't just think it's much more effective, which I really, really do. It's actually a lot safer because you're not going to go straight into a prostate and you're not going to do other things like that too.
Patient Reactions & Building Trust
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So for the male side, what you're basically doing is paralleling the rectum.
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you're going in a parallel line right next to the app. Of course, you're not inside the rectum, that's why you're a quarter away from the anus, but you're going right up next to the rectum in the anus. And on the female side, you're actually paralleling the vaginal canal. So you're paralleling these canals in our body, it's just one is
00:02:12
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the back for the men and to the front for the women. And if you do that, oh my gosh, these points. And so we do tend to use them fairly long needles for these. Dr. Guo always used a three twin needle on both men and women. It doesn't mean we put the whole three twin in, but it does mean you have to have the ability to, depending on where you're getting the right sensation. The funniest thing is most people
00:02:37
Speaker
They were really okay with it. I know this is a really awkward place to get needled and so, and people think it's like absolutely going to be cringy and horrible. It's not, I mean, there's like a little prick when the needle goes in and then most people are like, Hey, that's kind of comfortable. Yeah. It's not a harsh thing. No, not, especially if we just, two points ago, we did Lao Gong on the hand, I feel like. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's way worse, right? Yeah. But I do feel, I mean, are you talking about in the States or are you talking about in China with that?
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For which one? For how comfortable the patient is. That's a really good point. I think Americans would just be so freaked out about it. That's what I think. That they wouldn't even know the physiological.
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I think they're basically out of their body freaked out, so they're not even going to know what it feels like. They're just going to be like, ah. Right. Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty hesitant to get needle down there in the first place.
Case Study: Malnourished Patient at Ren One
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Yeah. Yeah. So you'd really have to build a relationship with them before they trust you enough for this, I think. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, there's certain things you just can't. And in fact,
00:03:42
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So speaking to the usage of the male one, which is, remember we said the Hui Yin Ren one, but a quarter away from the Anus instead, Dr. Guo would use this really effectively on like, just young, depleted, nothing left. We had this one patient, he came in, he was in his teens, like 16, 18, something like that, maybe, maybe early twenties, but he looked like a child that was like one of the most malnourished things you've ever seen.
Philosophy & Techniques in Acupuncture
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He just couldn't, would not eat, like just rail thin. Like we literally had to pull, like pull him out of his wheelchair and set him on the table. And it's not that he couldn't move his legs. It's just that he was in such a mental state that he just was like almost out of it the whole time. And lifting him up was like lifting up a butterfly. It was crazy. Like normally you'd think, oh, we're going to take one or two people to lift him up. Nope. I mean, I could have lifted that dude with an arm, man.
00:04:40
Speaker
It's just scary, close to something really bad, right? And this is when he used this point and it's pretty cool. You have to do it regularly. Don't expect these points to be overnight shifters. They're just one of our most powerful tools. And so this is where he gave that guy the male Ren one. Yeah. And how often did he do it? Well, Dr. Guo, he's not from Beijing. So he would come to Beijing and then treat for like
00:05:08
Speaker
a week and then he'd go back for another six weeks to his place in Shanxi province and then he'd come back. So every time that he came to town, that family usually tried to bring them at least once or twice. Gotcha. Yeah. And then you said it was for helping out the yang. Oh yeah. So, and that's interesting because one from Qigong, right? Like that's an entry point for like earth qi, which would be more yin.
00:05:34
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And then the name too, as we normally do it, I mean, I'm, I might mess this up. It's what? And then that's going to be yin uniting or yin meeting or something like that. Correct. The meeting point of all yin channels. That's exactly right. Yeah. So interesting that that's a point that you would then use too. But as all things come from the opposite, right? And it's fascinating that on one side of basically the rectum for men is that point. And the other side is which is.
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the first two channel point, which is just insanely powerful for that as well. Okay, that's right. And so you can kind of think of them as one fueling the other, right? Just like heart fire is what it is the imperial fire. It's what gives all life.
00:06:21
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But just like the naging says, it doesn't come, heart fire wasn't first. It was actually kidney water that came first. Right. So in the same way, the, this point would be your kidney water to then correct, do the fire up to do channel. Correct. Awesome. And with a point like, and with like a patient like that, who is just emaciated, like to the bone, you got to get some in on those bones, you know? Yeah, totally. Okay. So we're, we're doing both, but it's, yeah, you need to do the, um,
00:06:48
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That's right. Or, and if you, if you don't think that you need to focus on that, then just switch to do one, right? Right. Cause I can just burn the wood that's already there to create young. That's exactly right. Gotcha. And the storage, we're just going deeper and deeper again. Same idea. Same kind of name.
Ren One for Women & Alternatives
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That's right. That's where it stores in. That's right. Interesting. The word song is the exact same character as song, which is organ than the five song organs. Oh, no way. It's just one character has two different pronunciations. Correct.
00:07:18
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I give up. I know. But then it makes so much sense why the Zhang organs need to store because Zhang need to Zhang. Yeah, but come on, guys. I mean, make it a little easier. Oh, I know you. I know you need men. I encourage people to study Chinese. I just never tell them it's going to be a tough. You're in for a long one. Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:47
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So same character, two different pronunciations, two different opinions. Correct. Okay. Correct. Got it. Well, I'll tuck that away for another day. The last one for me on my list, but I think you have another one, right? You have two? Oh, we also didn't tell them where the female version is. You said quarter. Oh, so that would that's the female Hui Yin, where to do Hui Yin. Okay.
Sexual Health & Lifestyle in Chinese Medicine
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Speaker
Technically, this point, so that's just how I recommend everyone do REN1 for females. Gotcha. But this point technically calls for an extra point called eumontal, which is like the head of the jade gate. Uh-oh. So jade, meaning precious. Yeah. Actually for, yeah, jade fluid is the word for like lubrication. Vaginal secretions, yeah. Vaginal secretions, yep. We can talk, actually we might do that.
00:08:39
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A lot of people ask me, what about this semen retention and stuff like that? We should totally do an episode on that. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So we'll talk about Jade Liquid. It was nuts to me that, because before I got to school, I was reading everything I could on Chinese medicine. And a lot of that was then not Chinese medicine as much as the Taoist arts that are alongside it in the cultivation side. They would quote these things. They'd be like, look, if you're not having sex properly, it doesn't matter.
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what herbs you're taking or what you're doing in the clinic, like you need to be having proper sex. I get to school and I was like, we didn't talk about it as a center focal point once. It would come up because I would bring it up, but otherwise it was not. It's like, Asher, stop doing that. But it's like, this is so central to our medicine and we're just ignoring it. It feels kind of
00:09:32
Speaker
untrue to the roots. It really is. Actually, you're totally right. If people are doing the right lifestyle stuff, maybe even doing herbs and acupuncture on the reg to try and build up their kidneys and they're just wrecking, they're just using ejaculating way too much for men. This actually doesn't work for women because women don't lose jing during climaxing.
00:09:56
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They lose jing during their period cycle, but they can't stop that. And then for men, it's actually not the sex, it's the ejaculation. But there is a history too of women stopping their jing cycle early. Oh, it's their kidney jing as well? No, for self-cultivation. The kung fu females would stop their periods early. Oh, interesting. Do you remember this? Do you ever run into that or no? I feel like I have heard about this.
00:10:25
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Yeah, you're right. Now that you say that, that does actually kind of make sense. Or it rings some bells. I came across it and Deadman, I think first, the Stonegate Ren 5 was brought up as a point. And he says to use that for that? Yeah. That's right. That is so right. A good goat Deadman. There's a reason why we use it and why it's called Stonegate because of that.
Stone Gate Point & Historical Context
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Because you're not moving a stone, I don't know. Well, this one sounds pretty darn harsh. So get ready for this, you know, don't cancel all of our classics or anything. But the word for an infertile woman was called a stone woman. Sure. Like her uterus was a stone. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that was common knowledge. No, I just feel like that's like a like that. That makes sense.
00:11:15
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Right. Yeah. And so then stone gate actually is one of the ultimate worst points to do for a woman who's trying to get pregnant. So it's the opposite. So there's the phrase that the classic Chinese idea that if you needle stone gate, you'll cause the stone woman. So you might actually cause infertility with that point.
00:11:34
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Yeah, I had a student once we were treating each other and this was like online. So we weren't even doing the needles, but she was like, I'm not doing that point. Like I don't want to be infertile. I was like, I'm pretty sure you have to do it regularly or all this stuff, but I don't know. Yeah, it's true. And there's not as much guidance as you might think, but regular. Absolutely. I think it'll lead to infertility. And so I actually never needle that for women who still want to have babies at all.
00:12:02
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So for females, the only time I would ever needle that is if they're sure they don't want kids or, um, they've already had as many kids as they want or something. Yeah. I was going more for the, um, what the, can you point next to it to four fullness is because yeah, I felt like I felt multiple times on females with like, uh,
00:12:27
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either fibroids or PCOS or something. When I palpate down in that region, I'm like, oh, there's a thing I can feel. And it's
Acupuncture's Role in Women's Health
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usually right around that four fullness point. You're Batman. And then in that case, I recommend you do needle that, especially if you're off the center line. Or sometimes you'll be over by the fortsman down from the naval stomach line.
00:12:56
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Okay. Yeah. It's like not T two, but that's the extra point. Oh, no, it's, it's just, it's forts and down from the naval, but on the Tutsa now stomach channel line. Yeah. Okay. It means like coming, coming back or coming home. It means bring the period back though. Oh, yeah. Bring it back. Bring it back. Yeah. Sounds like a hip hop song.
00:13:24
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Yeah. Well, that all the single ladies are going to love. Bring back my period. Yeah. Put a diva cup on it. Put a diva cup on it. Yeah. Well, the great thing about diva cups is they can tell you exactly how much they bleed and like military. That's true. And they'll know. Yeah. And also for the environment. Come on, people. I mean, I don't have a vagina, so I can't really have a say in it, but I have my opinion. I'm a white male.
00:13:56
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But you know, opinions, you can have them. You can have them. Just like assholes, we all got them. Oh, so getting back to you my tongue now.
00:14:09
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Yeah, this one is called the jade gate, the head of the jade gate, meaning the top of the jade gate, human tall. And so this is, they describe it literally like inside the labia. So it's pretty darn close to the clit. I wouldn't obviously needle the clit that's insanity, but you would basically needle just above it. So the hood, basically the hood. Yep. The hood or like, yeah, exactly. Still. It's a pretty intense one.
00:14:37
Speaker
I don't recommend that. I know that sounds crazy. We're talking about 13 points in this whole episode. I don't. I'd recommend people just switch to the lady red one. And it's a really important point there. Most women do super duper well on that point. It's kind of like jao hai is good for most women too, the kidney seven, right? Six. Six. And between the tendons below the ankle? Yeah, but it's not between the tendons. We never talked about that.
00:15:06
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It's just straight below the ankle. Yeah. You go until you fall off that plateau of bone. Sure. So it's not one foot below. It's like one and a half. It's notably lower than the books will tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you.
00:15:20
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We got shown that as a, as a Japanese location for it. So like you follow the two tendons then all the way in that groove down off the bone and then. Correct. Okay. I thought you meant like, cause some people will say it's between two tendons or even in the joint space on them. That's the point location given a dead man. So that's whack.
Emotional Health & Acupuncture
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Yeah. That's whack. Yeah. And like, if you really want to be using that for like activating the yin way, my
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Speaker
I'm sorry, then does it? I mean, how much effect have they seen? No. But if you do it the other way that I just explained, then you really all the time, you'll get it circulating and shooting to the bottom of the foot. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. That sensation. Yeah. I know that's so key too. If you know what sensations to look for off of your needling technique. It's really helpful. Yeah.
00:16:10
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Also really helpful as a guide to your patients because if you tell them they're going to get a lightning bolt somewhere and it happens, they're a lot more amenable to it than just like, ah, Thor struck my tummy. Totally. No, I mean, you just upped your efficacy. You just told them what to expect and then it happened. You can usually get away with a lot more in that direction than if you don't tell them anything and then they're like, what is this? That's a really good point.
00:16:36
Speaker
I was going to say for acupuncture, my hardest patients have always been the ones that they don't know what's happening in their body. And so like sitting still and like asking them to tune in is just a wild ride for them that I'm like, I have a hard time helping them navigate that. Cause they're just like, I feel something like.
00:16:56
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And they're super excited about it, right? And they don't, they can't quantify it. They have, and I try to give them guy posts and all the things, but it's, if they're not tuned in to what's happening, if they're just ignoring their daily, whatever, like those people getting them to sit down for 45 minutes and like feel the sensations and be okay with feeling things in their body. Nuts. It's so true, dude. It's all right. So true. Yeah. And they're just shut. They've shut down so many things, right?
00:17:24
Speaker
Yeah, totally. Oh my God. Just disconnected with all that. Yeah. And then after the treatment, they're like, I have all these weird sensations. And I'm like, look, I didn't do any of that. Like you're just finally feeling what's happening. Like, right. You broke me actually reactivated you. Yeah. Oh man. That's actually a great launching point for them to check out counseling too. Some of my patients would. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:48
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specifically the demographic that Asher just kind of described, those ones are like, Oh my God, I've never felt emotions before. Like I've never
00:17:56
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Like one of my patients, he, it was the first time he'd ever felt heartbreak after he, so we would been working together for a while. Then I, I, he got busy for something and then like a month or two later he broke up with his girlfriend and he expected to, he just like kind of walked through it. Like he did the rest of the breakups and most of his life and it really hit him. Yeah. And so then he was joking because him and his buddy always come to see, well, his buddy is more regular and he's like, dude, Steven broke me. And he's joking of course, because now he's finally knows what heartbreak feels like.
00:18:26
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And he's like, I used to walk, it's the first time this has ever happened. And I actually don't know if he loved that lady as much as he just finally had emotions to deal with. I can't obviously speak to how much people love each other, but just based on his conversation and stuff. Yeah, no, I think it's fair. But having that emotion for the first time,
00:18:47
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in whatever. The other thing that's crazy too I think is that you get like being raised out here in our modern world or whatever. They don't get validated when you're a kid growing up as much as they maybe should.
00:18:59
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and then yeah and like you experiencing whatever you're experiencing kind of thing and then you learned like to shut things down like this guy learned to shut down like heartbreak or whatever and he's totally probably had reasons to feel it before as a kid but then it's like he's an adult he's living on his own and then he has to do the heartbreak like man it's so much easier when you're four and like something else happens someone takes your schlocky toy and you're like heartbreak yeah yeah but
00:19:25
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And then you're like, no, you have to share. And it's like, well, yeah, you do. But also like their experience of feeling whatever is also. Such a good point, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Valid or even maybe even encouraged, right? Totally. Yeah. Like to feel the world.
Introduction to Gui Two Point
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Yeah. All right. So that was, uh, 11 male and females slight variations. Yes. Should we hit 12? Is 12 going to be LI 11? It sure is. Okay. So, uh, Gui two.
00:19:55
Speaker
Oh, that's funny. Ghost legs. That's right. Ghost leg. There's also sometimes it's called gwe chun, which is ghost advisor, not advisor. Who's like the warlords or like the, it's like the dukes underneath the king.
00:20:16
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So you've got the monarch and then you've got like the people he sends out to do stuff. Not the advisory he's consulting with. It's like the regional lords. Yeah, lords. Yeah. Dukes, lords, the all works. Governors. Governors. We use this for herbs
Medicinal Hierarchy & Government Analogies
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too. We'll say chunyao, chunyao. It's the second layer down. So it's like the monarch herb and the minister herb. It's very clear that you need to
00:20:43
Speaker
There's a very big difference between a minister herb and a ministerial fire. There are two different words in Chinese. Ministerial fire is called xiang, so we call it xiang hua. That's the one that interacts back and forth with the monarch. That's a really important role. Literally, the character is a wood tree with an eyeball behind it, because it's like the advisor is standing behind the tree and being like, yo, Empy. I assume they called the emperors Empy when they were on first name Basie.
00:21:11
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He's like, yo, MP, don't do that. That's a pitfall. And then Emperor's like, oh, snap. Thank you, advisor man. And that's a Xiong. And then the Chun would never dare do that. That's literally like the pictograph is like of a human kneeling, because they're lords, but they have to obey everything that the
00:21:30
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um monoch tells them to do so think of them as like the go do it people got it hence leg here it's not about your leg your thigh it's about like the legwork doing the legwork of it like the guy's
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going out.
Clearing Heat: Techniques & Formulas
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I didn't know there was a cross-cultural pun there, but it means the guy's going out and doing the stuff. Nice. Because I had it on a note from Wong Joo Yee that was for not walking, and I was like, what in the world is this arm point doing treating your legs for not being able to walk? Unless it's large intestine heat. I don't see why. Yeah, no. I can come up with strange channel reasons, but
00:22:09
Speaker
You can always come up with strange channel reasons. You have to come up with enough that are all working together and you don't get that with large intestine 11. No, I don't see that either.
00:22:23
Speaker
And so, exactly, and Chucher in the channel, large interest 11, it's normal channel point name means like the bending pool, kind of just like Ashard said, the nooks, the crannies, the bends at the elbows and so forth. And that's really what it's referring to. It's like the pooling at that area, but it's so useful. I think this is pretty common knowledge that a lot of people will use that for clearing heat as they will for a lot of the points that we've already just listed today. But then this is specifically for external heat.
00:22:52
Speaker
And so you can see this is really much more for like clearing upper body heat or external heat that's now then invaded into the body, not for internal heat. For that, you would go to the lower pussy point or even the spring point of that channel. Right. I do find it interesting though, that it's like we've gone on this road deeper and deeper and deeper. And then almost at the deepest, we, we, we came back to the surface a little bit and we're like, clear the external heat again. Yeah. So.
00:23:20
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You're so right, dude. Dude, that's going to serve you so well too. We get to the formulas for clearing blood heat and yin-nutritive heat, which are both very deep in the body.
00:23:30
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There's a beautiful formula called Qing Ying Tong, which means clearing the Ying nutritive layer decoction. And it's got external heat clear herbs in it. It doesn't have only that, of course, but it's really weird. You're like, why in the world would they put these herbs that we use for Qi level heat or external level heat? Well, Qi level meaning more external, not all the way at the surface. And it's because when you bring that heat up,
00:23:55
Speaker
What you're literally trying to do is vent yin-nutritive heat higher up. You can't vent it all the way out through your skin because there's that barrier, but you can vent it up to your digestive level or your chi level, and then you can poop and pee it out. And getting that movement on the higher level then creates space for everything else to move up and through. Correct. Otherwise, you can literally clear yin-nutritive and then develop stomach fire. Because you just moved all the heat into this other trap system that's... That's exactly right.
00:24:22
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We're doing the legwork. We're doing it because we're moving it all the way out.
Gui Feng Point & Punny Conversations
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That's correct. That's right. It's like obeying the monarch here. Okay. And then I don't have the last one. So you got to fill me in. Got it. So the 13th one is called Guifeng. And this is, you can call it like ceiling, like this to seal, like that kind of phone to seal an envelope, to lock something off.
00:24:52
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This one is underneath the tongue. So it's like you lift up your tongue and it's right on the center skin bit. It's on the tendon that like connects everything. Yeah. That like stringy bit. Yeah. Yep. And then it's like right where it kind of attaches to the tongue, like the base of the tongue. Oh, that's where people get their tongue spears. Oh, there you go. So they're getting a, getting a good old ghost point up there. Yeah. I was going to say.
00:25:22
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Or, I mean, to create a hole there. I mean, your seal is now broken. Oh, damn. That's like breaking the seal. Yeah. It's like. You don't want to do that. No. Lifetime breaking the seal. It's a key forever. Or a ghost are going to come get you forever. That's exactly right. Yep. And so that one also has
00:25:48
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It's an extra point, but it has
Cyclical Nature & Treatment Differences
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a name. It's called Haichuan, the source of the sea in extra point land. All right. What's the second one? When? Like Yongquan, like kidney one, Q-U-A-N. And so this guy is the seal because it's the last, it's the deepest. Is this like? Yes, I think that is true. There is no deeper than this.
00:26:15
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Yeah, and you can see we've actually kind of come full circle, right? Right back up to the balance. Right back up to the, exactly. So it's like, and so there's a couple key things is, in a way, we've actually kind of done the whole circle about like chasing this ghost all the way back through the body, made the full circuit, and then we would, you know, hopefully clear it and seal it out.
00:26:37
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It's also really important not only to do the classically, they would say you have to do all 13 of these and all in the right order. And very importantly, men have to start on the left. Women have to start on the right. That's emphasized multiple times. I know. Hey, here we go. Cause we have these questions about the extraordinary is of where do we get this in here? There might be a little clue. It's not related. Maybe this is where they picked it up for, you know, like, okay.
00:27:04
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Did they switch those orders for men and women? No, women are always right. That's the easiest thing to remember in the world. I see. You're in a relationship, you know. But like, when they do like, you're talking about the bamai jia hui shi too, right?
12 Organ Clock System & Timing
00:27:21
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The A-channel inter-conflict. Yeah, I guess I am. I would never call it that, but yes, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, maybe like one, like a liรจchui on one side and... Yeah.
00:27:33
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You know, yeah, we're going to open up the, the rent and the deal, but they don't do that. And they do that the same between men and women. How do you mean? So they wouldn't, they wouldn't start like they wouldn't do right nature for men, women, and then left nature for men. They would. Oh, they do. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You start. Yeah. You start. So just to go through one, if you were doing, let's say the, the Chong, you would do left side spleen four.
00:28:01
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For men? Yeah, for men. And you do right side for women. And then do they do the other side second, or they just don't do the other side? No. So then you're going to do the indicated pair. So then you're going to go up to the arm, and you're going to use opposite side naguan for both those. So for the man, now you're doing a right side.
00:28:23
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and for the woman you're doing, the left side and the next one. Got it. And across, top, bottom, left, right? Yeah. And then you're going to go back down, do the second gongsang, second spleen four on the opposite side, and then go back up to the second, the second, opposite side. Got it. Also, I think this is probably obvious with how we were joking about it, but I've never seen that once in China.
00:28:45
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Like I was only there for 11 years, which did feel short at the time, but I've never seen that once where people would do that. So that definitely feels like someone on this side of the pond winging it or pulling it from something like this. I like how you call it the pond. That's like the old school way. Yeah. Right. Oh, like literally. Yeah. I think they called it like the other side of the pond.
00:29:10
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Yeah. Like, Westerners are Xiyang people. Xiyang, right? Like, Western ocean people. Yeah. Exactly.
00:29:19
Speaker
All right, so that's a biggie, is men start on the left, women start on the right, and then you put a ... So you'd go like ... If you were going to do ... Obviously, some of them are in the middle, so number one doesn't matter, because there's only one point. But then if you were going to go to say number two, you'd go to that long 11 point, shao shang, and you'd do ... For a man, you'd do left shao shang, then right shao shang, then go to number two point.
00:29:44
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Left to right to and so forth and then for women it's exactly the opposite and then as you Take them out you take out right side first for men and left side first for women. So it take out reverse order Take out reverse order. So the for men the left side goes in first comes out last And so forth cool and then needling depths you mentioned
Special Techniques: Fire Needles & More
00:30:07
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earlier. These are shallower That's right so
00:30:13
Speaker
We'll just go through them. Number one, they recommend you go to three fun, which means point three twin. Got it. A third of a twin. Pretty wee, right? Yeah. But for those of you who felt Ren Jeong, it's a pretty tender spot. Remember, it's not in the middle between the nose and the lip. It's more towards the nose. That's correct. It's two thirds up, one third down. Yeah. There's that bone, like, hinge right there. Correct. Yeah. And you have to go above that bone hinge, right? You don't go under and into?
00:30:43
Speaker
I go above it, like fall off of it above and then go straight in. Okay, sweet. Number two, so that was Gui Gong. Number two point is Gui Xin. This one is also three fen, which means a third of its one. Third point is Gui Lei. This one is two fen, so a little bit shallower.
00:31:09
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which is 0.2-twin, right? Right. It's a fifth of a twin. Then we go to the fourth point, Guizhin. This one is half a fun, which means, I'm sorry, five fun, which is half a twin. So that now we're getting a little bit deeper at dialing. And you can see the depth is increasing as the point sequence is progressing.
00:31:30
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Then we go to the fifth one. It's like how deep are we going to be at the end when you run the map? And then it's all good. Gui Lu. This one, classically, you use fire needling technique.
00:31:44
Speaker
Yeah, which is fascinating because this whole sequence is often used to treat heat. And yet we're using a fire needle, but you don't only use fire needles to treat cold. Sometimes you just use it to enhance the function of certain points. So here we're over here and we use fire needle and they just say poke it three times.
00:32:03
Speaker
So a fire needle, what you do is you take the iron needles, not the normal needles. Very important, you can't use normal needles for this. They'll get too weak. These are like the black iron needles. And they come in all different thicknesses, and you heat it up until it's red hot and poke it into a spot. Sounds horrible and painful. It's actually not that bad. It really isn't. But you just poke them in three times consecutively, and that's what you do for that point.
00:32:26
Speaker
And then number six, Guizhen. This one is also one fifth of a twin, point two twin. So super shallow, just like Asher was saying, it's very, very safe at that point. That you could do universally, it doesn't really matter. Nothing happens at point two twin. Then the seventh point, which is Guizhuang. This is half a twin, also Wufen, so half a twin.
00:32:55
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Number eight, Gui Shi, which is that internal administration of the ghosts. This is three fun again, so a third of the twin. Number nine, Gui Ku, which is that pericardium being spring point. This is only two fun as well, so that's a fifth of a twin, .2 twin. Then number 10, Gui Tang. This one is also .2 twin, so a fifth of a twin.
00:33:25
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Number 11, Guizhang. This one is a third of a twin, so also extremely shallow. I would point out though that the extremely shallow here is probably just for the female one, could arguably go deeper for the men, right? That is an extremely sensitive spot if you do the traditional location for females. And then number 12, Guizhan. This one is five fun again, which means half a twin.
00:33:54
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And number 13, which is Guifeng. Poke it five times. Yeah, so, well, exactly.
Phlegm Misting the Mind & Treatments
00:34:05
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So you can needle this one. I think traditionally they would bleed this one. They would just kind of hit it and bleed it for a little bit. So they would, yeah, that's a little bit harsh too, because it's a pretty tender spot. Yep.
00:34:21
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Well, and I figure if someone's mentally ill, it's like getting them to open up their mouth and like let you take a sharp object and get in there.
00:34:29
Speaker
Right? Like just practically, like the people who I would, I'm like, oh, you need ghost treatment. And it's like, I'm not sticking my hand in their house. Exactly. Exactly. Sometimes they'll also recommend leaving a needle in after you bleed it a little bit too. So, and then as two additional points, sometimes to this sequence, people will add jin shu, which is on the pericardium channel somewhere. Um, I don't know.
00:35:00
Speaker
What's above Nei Guan? Like more proximal too towards the core of the body. The Jing River. There it is. Qian Shi, which is small intestine three, I believe. Yeah. Yep. So these are two examples of two other points that we'll often add in addition to this. And I'm pretty sure that's just because it comes from Bien Chui's stuff.
00:35:26
Speaker
Oh, okay. So not, this isn't Cincy meow stuff. These are just nuts. Those last two are not Cincy meow. They're just like, yo, we just worked good too. Right. And then, so one thing we didn't hit today, which I thought we might've, because when I see people on the street, which I was just joking about, right? Where you're like, oh, you need this ghost treatment. I often think of phlegm misting the mind.
00:35:47
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Yes, which should be translated as veiling the mind, by the way. Oh, okay. Covering the mind. Sure. Okay. That works. Because phlegm doesn't mist, right? No. It's too thick. Yeah. Can you imagine? Like phlegm misting the mind. It reminds me of like the money gun, but throwing phlegm up in the air instead. You're like, dude, that's just going to be phlegm pies coming down on everybody. Yeah, no good. There's no such thing as misty phlegm because mist is for fluids, but phlegm is dry. Right. But phlegm does coat
00:36:15
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Cover and block hence veiling or that sort of thing, right? And so is there I mean in this treatment that we're looking at right now, but these ghost points
00:36:26
Speaker
Are we doing that aspect too? Are we not yet? I don't know. Oh, getting rid of the phlegm that he's doing that. Yeah. Such a solid point. Because there's no stomach 40, man. And I mean, I learned in the West, and if you're going to treat phlegm, you got to use stomach 40. I don't care what you're doing. That's a really good point. I would say the spleen one. Is that one? Yeah. That would be the big key there. Okay.
00:36:52
Speaker
Because we have some fluids with the Gui Shi, but not really what we're looking for. And also for Cheng Jiang, generating fluids. Cheng Jiang. Oh, you're saying processing the fluids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This one can also deal with fluid some. Interestingly, too, when people have like phlegm blocking the mind, making like post stroke or something, and unable to speak, you can use this point. But really, we like this one better. Is that what you're doing underneath the tongue? Yep. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:23
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That's a spicy one. If you guys have never felt that on yourselves before, I recommend doing it on yourself so you know how to describe it to a patient. It literally feels like your tongue is getting sucked back into your throat. Oh, gnarly. It's an impressive. We do use a three twin needle in that. Probably go in maybe two of the three twin, but it's pretty real. Yeah. Don't forget to hold that point longer if you do needle it because there's an artery right there. So you don't want to nick an artery or if you do just hold
Balancing Yin and Yang
00:37:50
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it for a while.
00:37:50
Speaker
Sure. Okay. Yeah. No nicking arteries, please. That's right. That's right. Oh, one other cool key thing that they often describe is that so men on the left one on the right, we already said that one. Um, and then, um, usually we would consider, uh, the, the odd dates of the year. And of course, this is technically using a lunar calendar, but the odd dates of the year.
00:38:17
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are yang dates and the even dates are yin dates, just like Yijing, the book of changes. And so on yang days of the month, as well as yang times, which are also even, I'm sorry, yang is odd hours and yin is even. So on yang days and yang times, they say you should rotate to the right. And on yin days and yin times, rotate to the left, rotate the needles to the left.
00:38:44
Speaker
Gotcha. So if you want to be 100% authentic. Yeah, I mean, what if it's a young day, but it's a yin time? I mean, that must plan more correctly. Just wait every other minute. I know, right? That's got to be like a scene in a movie where like this practitioner, like amazing practitioner comes over and is like, I can only treat you in one hour from now.
00:39:13
Speaker
Yeah, well, when they first teach you the clock, they're like, oh, it's the best time to like treat the whatever. And I'm like, you're supposed to treat someone for their liver at like one to three, man. Just like show up in the middle of the night, be like, ready for acupuncture, guys? Yeah, totally. And I mean, I would do it on myself when I was suffering from insomnia, I would wake up in the middle of the night and be like, what a great time to treat my liver. Put some meals and go back to sleep, but not everyone can do that.
00:39:40
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Uh, yeah, exactly. Efficacy also, it didn't work out very well. It wasn't until we did herbs or something that, that it all went away. So yeah, it's a toughie. And you know, the funny thing too is that 12 Oregon clock is probably a bit of a pet peeve, but it gets referred to way too often. Meaning people should, and if you look at the reason I say way too often is just because the naging rarely brings it up. They do bring it up like once or twice in the whole book. Yeah.
00:40:11
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I think it is Ling Shu's idea. But then if you check out how many times they bring up just yin and yang, as far as night and day goes, it's like a third of the book. Like it's so much. So when people are talking about, you know, those, really what they, you know, you can think about it as the 12 organ cycle. You can also think about it as the six Jing, sometimes translated as channels, confirmations, or levels of the Shaanghun. But the best way is just yin and yang theory.
00:40:35
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So when it comes to the movement of day and night and what we should be doing on those, just go back to yu yin and yang theory and you can't be wrong. The nejang really just spent so much time. And that's why they say throughout the entire day, daytime, as long as the sun's out, it's tai yang that's at our exterior.
00:40:51
Speaker
So I know six-channel or confirmation people or Jing people would say, well, we go through three different stages. Yeah, you could think about subdividing it that way, but the nejing doesn't. The nejing says it's all Taeyang on the outside, when the sun is up, hence all guess what on the inside. Guess what deals with our body on the yin
Conclusion on Ghost Points
00:41:11
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type. I want to say jui yin, but I feel like it's wrong.
00:41:14
Speaker
I mean, it would kind of make sense where you get tie on. It's actually tie in. Just make it so difficult. So tie on during the whole daytime and tie in. The weird thing is they didn't tell you which tie in though. So I would argue that it's more foot tie on for the daytime and hand tie in for the nighttime. Because I think your lungs do a lot more than your spleen does at nighttime.
00:41:42
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to put a pin in that and leave it for another day, I think. So only so many curveballs and knowledge bombs can be accepted at one time. That's right. So we'll go over that another day. But that- So sweet, man. Yeah, that brings it, I think, us to an end for Gus Points.
00:42:07
Speaker
All right, yeah, we might do more stuff later on, but hopefully this was a good introduction. If you didn't know about the ghost points, now you do. And if you did know, hopefully this gave you some food or thought as far as how to translate them, how to use them and which classics to refer to.