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Today we welcome Dawn Lester, co-author of the book What Really Makes You Ill? with David Parker.
Guess what we're going to talk about?
The authors’ investigation of why people become ill was conducted from a different perspective from that of the medical establishment; it was therefore free from the dogma and biases inherent within ‘medical science’. This unbiased and logical approach enabled them to follow the evidence with open minds and led them to discover the flaws within the information about illness and disease that is promulgated by the medical establishment.
Dawn's links:
What Really Makes You Ill?: https://www.amazon.com/What-Really-Makes-You-Ill/dp/1673104037
Website: https://whatreallymakesyouill.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dawnlester183/
Substack: https://dawnlester.substack.com/
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Transcript
Introduction to Podcast and Book
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome back to the Connecting Minds podcast, Christian Jordonov here. Just a quick reminder, if you want to live longer, my first book of my series on longevity, how to actually live longer volume one is out. It's on Amazon. You can get it, or you can get it from my website if you want to live longer. That is, if that is part of your
00:00:22
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strategy.
Introduction to Guest and Book's Premise
00:00:24
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Today's guest is a bit of a legend, so pretty excited to welcome Dawn Lester. In case you don't know, I'm sure many of you know who she is, but Dawn and her co-author David Parker wrote really, it's somewhat of a Bible-sized book. It's called What Really Makes You Will. I believe that was published in 2019.
00:00:51
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And the subtitle is, why everything you thought you knew about disease is wrong. And everything is a good word because it almost seems like every single thing we've been taught is upside down and wrong. But Dawn, welcome to the podcast and we'll discuss all that now. Yes, thank you very much for inviting me. And I appreciate, yeah,
00:01:18
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what you said about the book and really the fact that it's regarded as a Bible. I mean, a couple of people say that. I mean, it is Bible science. It's pretty comprehensive, which is what we'd intended to make it because there's so much involved.
00:01:36
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And I mean, maybe everything might be a slight exaggeration, but in terms of what the medical establishment put out, yeah, everything is inverted. As we're learning, everything is inverted.
00:01:52
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I know for me, so my last book was only a couple hundred pages. I decided 50,000 words max would be, I'll never probably publish a bigger book than that just because I know how much pain is involved.
Challenges in Publishing and Criticism
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I know that every chapter you add on a book, it doesn't increase linearly the workload and the pain and the suffering. It probably increases exponentially. So for you, I know there was two of you, but still it's a massive feat because anything you say, it could be one paragraph, one miss cited reference or something like that.
00:02:34
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is you're, you're opening yourself, you're vulnerable to being sort of debunked and like, Oh, look, that one, because of that one thing, this whole thing is, you know, there's so many of these smear campaigns going on. So it's a tremendous undertaking with a lot of responsibility and a lot of personal risks. So, you know, again, I have to commend you on, on just producing this huge, huge tone.
00:02:58
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Thank you. Yes, you're right. The risks and that's why we took so long because we wanted to be as careful as we could with all the research to get as many references and, you know, from, should we say, mainstream sources, just because part of it was to highlight the problems with what the mainstream are even putting out in the first place. And yes, I mean, it's it is this culture of being
00:03:29
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potentially discredited just because of one particular thing you say. And of course, nobody's perfect. And I'm not pretending that, you know, what's in the book is perfect at all. You know, we're all learning more all the time. The basic fundamental core of the book is, you know, I
00:03:51
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we still stand by it. Some of the details may be shifting. One of the biggest criticisms was the fact that neither of us have any background in the medical system or in research or anything like that. So that was the first thing that was picked on. What do they know? They haven't studied it. Well, we did. We spent years studying as much as possible
00:04:18
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from as many angles as possible just because you know for that very reason to make sure that we'd covered many of the kind of questions. I mean you know I remember you know going through that same process that people have been doing recently as well well if you know what about you know you know just looking at if we're looking at say what are called infectious diseases well
00:04:41
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If we've looked at this one, if that one doesn't work, the other way we're told, what about this one? What about the others? You know, so we did cover as many. And yet there's still, of course, thousands of so-called different diseases. We don't cover them all. It's impossible. But we covered as many as we could to give people the underlying idea behind the
Challenging Medical Norms
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medical establishments ideas about these conditions. So it would be, we hoped it would be enough to break down people sort of preconceived ideas and their indoctrination. So they'd start to see things differently. And that's, that was our approach as much as possible. But it was, I mean, there's so much that was still left out. We had to be very careful what we actually chose to put in. And so yes, I mean, I think it's, um,
00:05:34
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somewhere close to 350,000 words in that book. So it's rather large, yes. It was just slightly under, I think. But yeah, so yes, I mean, you're right. It's huge. We were thinking at one point of making it two volumes, but we wanted to, we were concerned because we were unknown that people might not get the second volume. And we felt it was so important to get the whole picture to put it all together.
00:06:03
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Yeah. If you look at any, anything, it's the second volume never gets as much reviews on Amazon or it's, it never ranks as well as the first one, at least most of the time. So that was
Discussion on Non-Infectious Diseases
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a good call in terms of, so obviously there's a lot of different topics in the book.
00:06:24
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We've talked quite a bit on the podcast about the vaccine stuff and we've talked about quite a bit about the infectious or the alleged infectious diseases. So I think it would be interesting to get some of your perspectives because you've done so much research.
00:06:46
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on the non-infectious diseases. So I think just to kind of, let's start, I suppose, in a chronological order in terms of when these things appear in a human being's lifespan.
00:07:02
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I've written a book on autism. That was my first book published in 2020. So I kind of have an interest around the childhood conditions as well. And I have a podcast all about children's health and I help families with autistic kids and neurotypical kids with various digestive issues and stuff. So I'd like to maybe see what's your perspective on Down syndrome, autism and sudden infant death syndrome. Is there any
00:07:32
Speaker
Linking those, would you like to tackle them separately? Any way you want to go with it, I'll go with you. First of all, these conditions are obviously different from infectious ones, although I have to say the medical establishment are really trying to get everything and anything to be infectious as much as they can.
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Okay, let's start with a sudden infant death syndrome. The first point is, you know, calling death a syndrome is rather bizarre, to put it mildly. I think it's inappropriate to call it a syndrome, that's for sure. The
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The main point is that children or, you know, young babies die suddenly and there seems to be no apparent reason. Now, it's almost impossible to say, oh, I know the reason or that anyone knows the reason and I'm not pretending to know reasons.
00:08:51
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because as we found in the research, there's almost always a combination of factors involved and they will be different in each individual case. So there will be overlaps, there will be similarities, there will also be differences and there will also be some unknowns because there are unknown factors in the environment that unless you actually are aware at the time and they are measured and they are recognized and they are
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actually looked into and investigated, they won't be known. So one of the main researchers in that area of sudden infant death is related to vaccines, unfortunately. And at the same time, I'm not saying it is caused
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by vaccines. So there will always be multiple factors because not every baby who is vaccinated then dies suddenly. So there's something else or there are other factors involved. There will be
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possible environmental factors. So there could be something to do with maybe in the baby's room some new furniture or new carpets or something. So there may be some off-gassing of toxic chemicals. There could be something in the external environment. There could be EMFs
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high EMFs in, not necessarily in that room, it could be in the, you know, the house next door or either side or both sides if, you know, if somebody lives in a terrace or in a flat upstairs, downstairs. So the problem is, of course, that the medical establishment won't look at those factors. They will always look for something that they can then blame it on.
00:10:52
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I mean, to a certain extent, it's blame the victim where they can. But it's not really about blaming the victim. Unfortunately, most of us are left in ignorance about health. And so we just carry on with the kind of activities that we are told are normal. So looking, putting all kinds of protective materials of the mattress protectors
00:11:21
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that kind of thing. And there are chemicals in many of these products. And once you start looking at the chemicals, you find that an awful lot of them are toxic. So there will be some babies that are less able to tolerate those levels of toxins than others. So again, and that, again, it brings up another, say, problem. The attitude of the medical establishment is that we're all the same.
00:11:50
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You know, so anything that happens happens to everybody because, you know, with and yet that's that's another fallacy. We are all different. Internal makeup will be different because of just our lives are different. You know, it's. So there are many factors and also there will be factors involved in the the mother and the father in their bodies, how healthy their bodies were.
00:12:17
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prior to conception and anything that the mother was exposed to during the pregnancy. So there are, as I say, multiple factors. And this is not me, you know, it's not blaming the victim. This is just the different factors that could be involved. So it sounds like I'm saying, oh, there's nothing you can do. Yes, there are plenty of things you can do and obviously to be more aware. And once you're aware, you can then take appropriate action to
00:12:47
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not use the kind of products that have these different toxic ingredients, chemicals, you know, as their ingredients. So yeah, it means looking at labels, it means sourcing more natural products as much as possible with the fewer, fewest number of chemicals. And the other thing is, you know, like with the whole plastic bottle thing, or BPA was a problem, so that everything's BPA free.
00:13:15
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But the you have to check that what is being used as a substitute and that's not always. Yes. And that's not always better. It might be slightly less bad, but slightly less bad doesn't mean it's absolutely fine. So again, or it could be worse. And unfortunately, until it's actually out there and people are buying it and using it and having effects from it, nobody knows because a lot of these
00:13:44
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chemicals are not tested. They're not tested in combinations either. And that's the other point that it might not be an individual toxin. So I'm going to say, you know, it's, but it's not saying always, it's only ever toxins, you know, there are other factors involved. And that leads into, you know, our emotions and how we feel about things and our thoughts and our fears. So there are so as I say, so many factors involved
00:14:14
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the same time, we do have to be aware that there are toxic chemicals being used in the products we use on an everyday basis. So once you're aware, you can say, OK, well, I'll change the products I use. It's not out of fear. It's out of knowledge because knowledge brings you to, you know, a better a better way of act or we're just making informed choices about the products you buy.
00:14:40
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Absolutely. I think a lot of this could be said about autism. I really think there could be some hereditary aspect to it, genetic aspect, but definitely from what I've seen, a lot of things seem to be associated with autism severity, including toxins and gut dysfunction, candida and various other things.
00:15:07
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In terms of, do you think things like birth defects and Down syndrome is also to a great extent environmental? They could be. I mean, you were saying about heredity and there is not much, if any, evidence
00:15:35
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that anything is passed down in terms of health, hereditary, and or even genetically. So, you know, with the work of Dr. Bruce Lipton, he says, you know, that genes do not control biology. And it's the environment that affects the gene expression.
00:15:57
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So the environment is not necessarily, or is not restricted to just the physical environment. It could be the emotional environment as well. And the emotional environment can affect the gut and a lot of issues start in the gut. And in fact, with autism, it was Dr. Andrew Wakefield's work originally was with gastrointestinal problems. He wasn't looking at
00:16:24
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autism as a result of or even as a result of the vaccines he was looking or he was seeing various children who had gut issues and serious health issues as well and discovered that you know the it's not just that the food is whether it's the right or you know good food it's actually not being absorbed properly
00:16:49
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And so if that if there is a gut issue where the food isn't being absorbed properly, the body is being isn't being nourished, and all kinds of issues just kind of go downstream from that, you know, so it's just it spirals out. So I'd say yes, there are overlaps with, you know, with the SIDS. And in fact, there are overlap. In fact, I'd say sort of, it's pretty much the basic idea of pretty much all health
00:17:19
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conditions, whatever the labels are. I mean, we can come back to the labels at a later stage, because that's, that's, again, where a lot of it goes wrong, you know, with these ideas that there are specific conditions. And I mean, even with autism, and I'm not trying to tell you, because I'm sure you've done loads more, you know, loads of research on, it's not just a single condition, it's a whole range of conditions. And so, and of, as you say, varying severity, intensity,
00:17:48
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the types of symptoms, I mean, they do call it a syndrome, but even that's still limiting the idea that it comes under one umbrella.
Environmental Toxins and Health Effects
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So again, depending on the symptoms, and I know there are plenty of people who are helping children recover from this. So with birth defects, the difference is that it's actually
00:18:17
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is something that happens while the baby is developing. There is some kind of abnormality that happens during a very specific development phase. And we can look back at the whole thalidomide situation. Now, it wasn't a question of how much of this drug the mothers took.
00:18:46
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it was more that they were, it was at a very specific time of the development of the foetus that led to the particular sort of limbs or whatever limbs were. I don't even want to use the word deformed. Not fully developed. Not fully developed. So again, that shows that it was a specific timing. And there were some women who hardly ever talked
00:19:13
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or only took a few doses of thalidomide and still had the outcome. There were other mothers who'd taken it and there were no changes. Their babies came out fully formed, the limbs. So again, it's to do with the timing of the actual exposure. And that will be the same for other birth defects. And it could be to do with any emf exposure.
00:19:43
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because that's not something we are aware of. And as people are particularly sensitive, although I think more of us are becoming more sensitive. But at the time, an exposure to something, a particularly high EMF or being within an environment where there is a high EMF just for a short time, depending on the actual
00:20:08
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time of the pregnancy so that would affect the development. So because obviously the baby is developing at different stages throughout the nine months so that's what would affect it now. The interesting thing that I found which does make sense is because we know the body is intelligent it's not stupid you know which is one one of the things that we've made to believe but
00:20:37
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the body is incredibly intelligent. And if the developing baby is not going to be able to have a sort of, but let's just say, I don't, it's so difficult to find the right words. Cause I know the word that's used is viable, but it's, it sounds horrible, but it's, it's there.
00:21:03
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if there's going to be too many problems that the baby isn't forming sufficiently well to be able to be a, you know, whole living human, that the, the body will actually miscarry, you know, spontaneously reject. And that is because the body is intelligent. Now there is a certain degree of not
00:21:29
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standard kind of development that the body deems is okay. And so there will be certain birth defects. Now Down syndrome is one of the least defective, shall we say, of these kinds of conditions. So that's why, you know, babies that are born who are born with Down syndrome can lead fairly sort of normal lives.
00:21:59
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they live to a reasonable age as well. There claim to be due to chromosomal abnormalities. So there are other chromosomal abnormalities that have a more detrimental effect. And they're given labels, but these conditions are
00:22:27
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more problematic for the baby and often the child doesn't live very long so maybe into their teens or whatever so they don't necessarily live to be an adult and in other cases they can so again it varies depending on the severity of the situation so it just shows that I mean nature is wonderful really that you know we have these systems only with
00:22:56
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with miscarriages, it's very traumatic, obviously, for the parents to lose a baby. At the same time, to know that there was something that made it not likely to be able to be fully functional in some way, you know, there was some kind of damage. Now, again, it's really, it's not a blame thing, it's merely the
00:23:25
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the kind of information because we are living in an environment that's not natural. Most of us are in an environment that's not natural. We're not out in nature all the time. You know, we bathed in all these chemicals and so many of them are ones that are just in the environment and we're not aware. And so there's a lot more. And so it's just trying to be as careful as we can. And so that's why the
00:23:56
Speaker
what we eat and what we actually do is probably more important now than it has been in the past because we need to be more proactive in encouraging our lives to be more aware of what we're putting in and on our bodies. And again, like your book says, if people do want to live longer,
00:24:23
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or just live healthily.
Educating on Health Risks
00:24:26
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Whereas it's fine if people make the choice to carry on with their other habits and activities. I like to think that people have the right to have the information so that they can make informed decisions.
00:24:43
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I think if people had the choice, they would opt for living longer and healthier. It's so funny because I have a few copies of the book in the car, so I'll be out with my daughter here. Sometimes I hear people speaking English.
00:25:02
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you know, it's Portugal, so you hear English speakers, so sometimes I'll be a bit more talkative, I'll be like, hey, hey folks, do you want to live longer? You know, I just, I've tried different things and sometimes just people are so defensive, like, no, I don't want to live longer, you know, thinking that I'm trying to scam them with like a few, I have a few books here, I'm trying to scam you to buy a book or something, you know.
00:25:23
Speaker
So people say that flippantly, I don't want to live longer, but when sort of shit hits the fan, they clearly want to live longer. I think it's a survival mechanism of any life, right? So it's important for us to continue disseminating this information because like today, I'll give you an example.
00:25:49
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I went to the car, the car needed a new battery, I took it to the shop. And every time I go in there, I just feel so, I really feel sad for these people working there eight, 10 hours, because it's, you know, there's all these air fresheners and chemicals and like, but the smell, the smell, I go in there, I am holding my breath, you know? And I'm thinking these people have to live,
00:26:15
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Well 40 hours a week is living in it, you know, so I just feel so bad. And even the guy that was helping me today, I was like, should I tell him about, maybe he should like get a, some supplements. I can tell him about some supplements he can get to help with boost his detoxification system. I'm like, no, no, no, it's, it's not my place. I have to like know my place, stay in my lane. But.
00:26:36
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It's hard, it's hard and also like so many moms, they get pregnant and then what are they doing? They're getting the nursery already and it's an exciting time and you're buying new furniture and these little mattresses and all this stuff is off-gassing formaldehyde and poisons and toxins and plasticizers and
00:26:59
Speaker
solvents and neurotoxic chemicals. And so how many moms are talking to someone and their hand holding the phone is right on the belly, you know? And we have to educate. As soon as my wife, I found out she was pregnant, I got an EMF blanket and I was constantly being
00:27:21
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annoying about so many things like keep the phone away from you keep it on airplane but i think if you don't do these things then that is the reason people aren't doing these things and that is why childhood conditions are skyrocketing that's why
00:27:36
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All the conditions are skyrocketing. And the EMF thing is so bizarre. There's so many things that we know are invisible, but harmful. But somehow, EMFs cannot be because I can watch my Netflix. My EMFs allow me to have Netflix on my phone, or whatever, or YouTube. So how could that be harmful? For the listeners, can you give us some of the mechanisms via which EMFs and radiation are harmful, just so we're a bit more educated?
00:28:09
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Yes. Just as you're going through the different sort of chemicals, the other thing, of course, is that a lot of them are endocrine disruptors. And so that they would be some of the important ones to be avoided during pregnancy because they disrupt the hormone system. And it's the hormone system, obviously, that supports the baby's growth and development. And it's important for the baby to have
00:28:37
Speaker
you know, the right hormones developing. So anything that disrupts that endocrine system is going to have an effect. So, you know, most talking more generally, but specifically endocrine disruptors are are important and they are everywhere in so many different chemicals as well. In terms of EMF, I mean, that that's the the first point is to recognize that we are electrical beings.
00:29:08
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most people are aware that our heart functions electrically and the brain functions electrically. So those electrical systems are tested through the EEG and the ECG. So that's not such a stretch of the people's awareness to say, oh, yeah, yeah, no, we're electrical. The point is that it's much more than that. It's a very subtle electrical system.
00:29:37
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But our whole body is electrical. And as I say, so it's not just those organs. Our whole body functions electrically. It is a subtle electric current, which is why it can be disrupted by stronger electromagnetic fields or electromagnetic frequencies. So this is where you have two fields and one
00:30:06
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you know, when they intersect that they, they, so again, it's, it's disrupting the natural rhythm. So it's, it's disrupting our natural electrical field. And so it's causing the, the body to just be out of balance for one thing. The other thing, because we have an electric field that runs through the body, anyone who's aware of an electric current, when electric current flows,
00:30:36
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that generates a magnetic field. So we also have a magnetic field around our body that has different names. One of the names that Eileen McCusick uses is the biofield, if you're aware of the biofield, yes. So that is a torus shaped field that runs surprisingly six feet out beyond our actual sort of skin, which is not the extent of us because this field runs beyond.
00:31:06
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So because we have our biofield, which is a magnetic field, and the electric current that runs through us, again, some people may recognize that as connecting the different chakras that runs sort of vertically through the system. So we are electromagnetic beings, and our fields can be disrupted by external, non-native
00:31:36
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electromagnetic frequencies that are the result of just about, well, all the electrical equipment we use, because again, if electric current is going through a wire, then there's a magnetic field around it. So again, there's electromagnetic fields. And some are stronger than others, some are more disruptive than others. And unfortunately, the Wi-Fi systems and all these different sort of 4G, 5G, these
00:32:05
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systems are more disruptive, that are becoming more disruptive, they're set at various frequencies that are disruptive to our bodies. So again, they are, it's not, again, it's not to be scaremongering, it's not to say, oh, you know, everything's bad out there, you know, it's all disastrous because we can strengthen our own bodies, strengthen our fields, we can strengthen our bodies, we can
00:32:36
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nourish our bodies with good food. We can be out in the sunshine, in nature, ground ourselves. There are all sorts of things that we can do to support our bodies to help themselves. And our bodies can do an awful lot more than we're led to believe. So the whole point of the medical establishment, oh, you can't do anything. You have to come to us if you're not well. Yeah. Which is what a lot of people who
00:33:05
Speaker
say, oh, no, I don't want to live longer. I'm fine doing whatever it is. And as soon as something's wrong with them, the doctor, you know. Oh, sorry, it just disappeared for a second. Sorry, you're back. No, it's fine. The so, you know, they'll go to a doctor because, as you say, that suddenly that, you know, that existential crisis comes to them and it's like, no, I do. You know, I don't like this. I want something to stop it instead of actually listening.
00:33:34
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to people like you and getting the advice earlier and starting to make some adjustments. So our bodies are pretty good. In fact, I mean, they're amazing. And they're pretty good at being resilient if we support them in as many ways as possible. So it's the looking after them by nourishing them by not poisoning them with toxins as
00:34:03
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much as we can, you know, reducing our exposures. And also, you know, with the electromagnetic fields, again, not being fearful at the same time being aware, because then you take time out and you just move away from all the technology, you use it when it's useful. And then you take time out and go outside and be in the sun time, which the sun is actually shining today, which is quite nice for change. Yes, it's been pretty miserable. I'm sorry to keep you indoors on this special day.
00:34:33
Speaker
Oh, no, no, thank you. No, no, that that's fine. This is this is good. It's just, yes, the weather's been pretty miserable here for a while. So it's it's been colder than normal. So it's nice to see some time trying. But we're at the beginning of spring. So it's fine. And so, again, it's that it's also not just the physical, it's our mental and emotional
00:34:57
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perspectives, our ideas, our beliefs, our thoughts. And again, going back to Bruce Lipton with his book, The Biology of Belief, he showed through his experiments that the, you know, our thought, oh, there are plenty of other experiments as well, that, you know, our thoughts do affect our biology. I mean, not even Bruce Lipton's work. I mean, we see that through the placebo effect that the pharmaceutical industry uses itself. I mean,
00:35:27
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doesn't totally understand it, doesn't understand this phenomenon, and they don't want to even recognize it because that would just turn their model, well, that would just stop their model from being useful.
Propaganda and Public Perception
00:35:42
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Their research has got nothing to do with how people actually think about anything. So it is all of these aspects, again, if a family is held in
00:35:55
Speaker
fear about something and you know the you know if there's a new baby and and they're just scared about everything and anything and you know especially if they're scared of germs and I know you don't want to go down there but if they're scared of germs they'll be using a lot of substances cleaning like you're saying sort of cleaning everything with all these with all these chemicals
00:36:18
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that are intended to kill something and of course that's going to be toxic but they're doing it because they're fearful whereas if they took a more sort of relaxed and natural approach they wouldn't be using all of those chemicals and they wouldn't be it's just just again it's it's the the mindset the emotional mindset in the emotional environment as well as the physical one
00:36:45
Speaker
So that is so well said, Don, because it just kind of brings me memories back when I used to live in Ireland, in Dublin, and we would share apartments with other people. So there would be a TV always with myself and my wife. We've never owned a TV ever in the, I think 10 years we're together now. No, eight, eight. Oh geez. How can I mess that up?
00:37:11
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So, I'd be watching daytime TV and some of the commercials would come like, did you know your kitchen counter harbors more germs than your toilet seat, right? Ditto and all this other crap. And I mean, I'm not trying to rip off my sister here, but she's a little bit of a germophobe.
00:37:39
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And I think that stuff definitely infiltrated her mind a lot, knowing now where we are now in terms of whatever. So it's kind of interesting how a lot of these things are planted
00:37:54
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not just by the news, not just by movies, all the negativity in movies, all the drama in soap operas, and all the even things as basic as lying to our kids about Santa Claus, just normalizing lying to our children,
00:38:13
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normalizing manipulating other people through these movies and the news normalizing fear and you know what's the worst part I think is the doctors using the nocebo effect I think to basically to drum up more clients patients because I've had so many clients in the last couple of years tell me
00:38:36
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Whenever they went to the doctor, the doctor would always tell them how bad things would be. I was talking to one lady there recently and she had her own health issues, but also her child had a bunch of health issues.
00:38:52
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all throughout the pregnancies, they would be telling her he's going to have all of these issues. Then after he was born, they just kept telling her these horrible things that would happen to him. And just worst case scenarios and none of the stuff really happened. And I remember even when I broke my legs, I mean, like in my mid 20s, as soon as I was woken up, woken up out of the anesthesia after the operation,
00:39:17
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The doctors started telling me, you're going to walk with a limp and you're going to have arthritis one day and just get ready for all that. Like, is that really what you want to be telling your patients? Are you a healer or are you a freaking, you know, so it's kind of crazy how
00:39:33
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a lot of these, there's a confluence of these things that create disease. It's not just being exposed to the toxins or not eating well. The emotional side of things, it's such a big factor that we're still starting to understand. Yes, this propagandizing through the fear
00:39:56
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the whole idea that, you know, we have to give our power away over our bodies to this medical system. That's been going on for a long time. And again, this also was why it took so long to research the book because, you know, looking at the background, at the history, and at books like, you know, propaganda. I mean, that's what it's called, propaganda by Edward Bernays.
00:40:23
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And that's nearly 100 years ago. So they have been working on the psychological aspect of this for a very long time. And in the mid 20th century, they were doing various experiments about how to understand how people would conform. So there's lots of different ones, but the Ash conformity experiments. And there were also the obedience experiments and
00:40:52
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Milgram, sorry I was going to say his name escaped me for a second, the Milgram experiments to see how people would be obedient and that was soon after the Second World War. Again these experiments were conducted a while ago and in some ways it's quite upsetting but not really surprising to see how
00:41:14
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people would conform, although not everyone did, not all of the times again. And in different circumstances, people would respond in different ways. So the psychologists have known for a long time, these behavioral scientists or whatever else you want to call them, that they're aware of the tendencies of human nature. Now,
00:41:38
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I'm not saying we're all the same because we're not. I mean, the last few years, what's happened over the last few years has really shown that not everyone follows. And there were a lot of us who just said, no, we're not going to do that. So, you know, we're not all the same. And, and yet there are tendencies for people to, to want to conform, but that's because they want to be, you know, we're social beings. And so we want to be
00:42:08
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with other people. We don't like being on our own too much. Sometimes it's good just to get some space and peace, but we're not intended to be entirely solitary. There's that peer pressure aspect of how we conform, whether we conform
00:42:32
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And a lot of people do cave to that peer pressure because they don't want to be the one who looks different because unfortunately, another part of some people's human nature is that they'll ridicule people who are different. And that is not one of the best aspects of human nature, really, because if you say, well, OK, people are different and we are all different, it's when
00:43:02
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people are ridiculed for that, so it's tough. And that was shown in the ASH experiments because under different circumstances, so when, I keep this very brief, so the test was really to determine whether one line was similar to a range, you know, which line was, sorry, they were given
00:43:29
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one line and then a set of three lines that were different sizes and they had to match them. So they had to say which one the first one was. So when the answers were given that were wrong by the people who were actually planted, you know, they were told to give the wrong answers. The person who was a real participant was always after them. So always gave their answer after the others. And so they had the other people
00:43:58
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giving the wrong answer first. So it's whether they would then say what was correct, what they knew was correct, or whether they would just conform with what everyone else said. Now, when it was opened and it was spoken and everyone else knew what you were saying and what they were saying, they would more likely conform. And in another test, there was one example where the participant was later in and they were asked to actually write down there
00:44:28
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their responses. And in those cases, because they weren't then sort of saying what they thought in front of other people, it was kept private, not sort of out in the public. They almost always said, even though the others had given the wrong answer, they still stuck to what they saw was true. And I think that's really very revealing that it's, you know, we're reluctant to speak out in front of other people.
00:44:59
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but we'll be true to ourselves if we can keep it private. And it was also interesting that the guy that they showed who was not being true to what he knew was correct in the size of the line. You could see his whole demeanor changed. He just capitulated. His body language showed that he wasn't happy. And obviously cognitive dissonance was set up
00:45:30
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But obviously, you know, he had his reasons for doing, I mean, different people have different reasons for, for conforming. You know, sometimes you just have to follow orders or you get killed. There is that. I mean, they weren't in that particular situation, but at the same time, that's an extreme. Yes. And at the same time, the Milgram experiments were that they were
00:45:58
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They were told they were giving electric shocks to people. I mean, they weren't, of course. And yet just about everybody would at least start that process of pressing the button to actually give someone that they couldn't see an electric shock. And nobody was holding a gun to their head.
00:46:20
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but the person who was giving them the instructions, and they had some very specific instructions to give them if they were reluctant, you know, it's things like, oh, you know, you, oh, I think the late one of the later ones was always, you know, you have to the expert requires you to do this. But again, they weren't, they didn't have a gun being held to their head. But the person was
00:46:43
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you know, in a white coat, you know, looking like a scientist with a clip, you know, looking very being authoritative. Absolutely. And that's the point. It's the authority. And they know the appeal to authority, even though it's a logical fallacy. They know it works. And so that's what they've been using with the with these so-called, you know, oh, and the latest expert says whatever it is that they're putting out on these. And I don't have a television either. I haven't had one for a very long time.
00:47:13
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But I know that the sort of things where they put out these programs and all these supposed news Items and they say oh, you know expert, you know doctor this that and the other whatever it is you just just to make us go well They must know what they're talking about because they've got the letters after their name or whatever it is. So And it's so it's that conditioning that's gone on for such a long time that can be hard for people to come to come out of and
00:47:43
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It's starting, but it's not necessarily going as quickly as might be useful, but it's starting. People are realizing that a lot of what's going on is absolutely ridiculous and it's getting more ridiculous, which is good because more and more people are coming to that realization that it's all nonsense.
Timing of Book Release and COVID-19
00:48:07
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But of course, the health side of things was the spearhead of all of this at the beginning of 2020.
00:48:14
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So yes, it was good timing to get our book out in 2019, wasn't it? It was tremendously good timing. You were almost, what's the word, soothsayer? Someone that tells the future, Christ. It's like you predicted the future kind of thing, you know? Well, we both pretty much believe that we were divinely guided, shall we say.
00:48:44
Speaker
You know, these things don't happen for no reason. And it shows that there's something working through that will work for everyone's benefit. We just have to keep going and not get lost in all the fear mongering. And that's the main way
00:49:11
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that they get people to conform and they get people to follow everything. And again, going back to the example of the medical people just saying, oh, you know, it's going to be this, it's going to be that, oh, you know, you can't do, it's basically, you can't live your life without deferring to us. And of course, as you say, the no SIBO effect, I mean, it's well known that so many people who are given the prognosis for their condition.
00:49:41
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I thought you were going to say the vaccine and you were looking forward. No, no, just the problem. So if they, they have a, you know, a condition that's, you know, say, for example, cancer, because I mean, that's the usual one that, uh, and, and even that's not the way we're told it is either, but so, you know, they have a condition that it's given a label and they're told, Oh no, you've only got, well, it
00:50:09
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Many people actually say, well, how long have I got doctor or whatever, because they believe because they've been told, oh, it's incurable or, you know, you will have this treatment that will keep you going for longer or whatever it is. And so they'll say, oh, well, you know, probably, I don't know, whatever it say, three months. And so many people actually do obey their doctor. So the doctor, of course, then thinks they're right. Because the patients do that. So the patients are obedient.
00:50:38
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they follow what the doctor says but the doctor thinks that it's actually you know that they're prophetic you know that they they know what they're talking about but it's it's not it's because the people have believed and in many cases on autopsy they've seen that there was insufficient pathology in the in the patient's body to actually have warranted their death and there's there's a doctor Lisa Rankin who talks about this I mean and she's
00:51:07
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She wrote an article about the nocebo effect. I mean, it's a good article. And she actually refers to this as medical hexing. I mean, in a way, it is like, yeah, medical hexing, you know, she said, you know, they think they're doing what's right. Because that's based on their training and their knowledge and also their experience because the patients do die. But if they took that out of the equation,
00:51:35
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Except of course they like customer, you know, the patients are our ongoing customers and they're, so it's just this cycle of, you know, you need the treatment to keep getting better and oh, you're not better. You need this treatment. Oh, let's try something different. And it's, it's probably, the treatment is probably causing more cancer, at least in cancer, more deaths than the actual cancer itself.
00:52:02
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Well, again, this is the thing that, you know, what actually is cancer? I mean, it's a label. It's not something we get. It's something that develops within the body. And if it's a solid tumor, there are many people who are saying that this is just the body packaging up some toxins and just keeping them safe because it isn't
00:52:28
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functioning sufficiently well to be able to actually process those toxins and eliminate them. So it's doing its best to just say, well, we can't deal with that. We just, you know, put them to one side. And I believe Dr. Tom Cowan's been talking about this as well, that just just to say, you know, it's just putting the rubbish in the cupboard, you know, close the cupboard door. I'll get to that when I feel, you know, when things are better. And if
00:52:55
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the body doesn't actually ever recover sufficiently to then go back and process, you know, that tumor, it, it may end up putting more and more into that tumor and it just may eventually overcome the body. Now that's rare. I mean, that might happen. It's just, unfortunately, if the person has, uh, goes to the medical system,
00:53:20
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They undergo the different tests and certainly if they have a biopsy where that cupboard door is open slightly and some of the toxins come out and then that overwhelms the body. And also the way they diagnose what they're seeing as cancer, the way they actually look at it and what they think of it and how they determine that it is cancer or not or maybe or possibly.
00:53:47
Speaker
And yes, as you say, they start the treatment. I mean, I'm I'm actually one of the sort of small percentage of people who did actually survive the treatment, which is quite amazing. Well, yes, it's something I've only recently started talking about, because again, we are a small minority and and so many people know so
00:54:12
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so many friends, family, or whatever, who succumb to the treatment. And as you say, it can be, it can be nasty. Was that in recent times? No, that was almost 30 years ago. Oh, wow. Yes. So I long. Yes. What I would do now is something that's very different from what I did then. But I, you know, I went through the system. I had the surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
00:54:41
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And at the same time, I have no idea how I knew it, obviously, something somewhere. I had this intuition that I knew it was something to do with my mindset, how I approached it. So if I just kind of collapsed and let it overtake me or overwhelm me, then the outcome might have been different. I also realized I needed to make some changes in my life, which I did eventually do.
00:55:08
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I did make those changes and there were quite significant changes and I knew there was an emotional element to that as well, an emotional psychological element, you know, how I was feeling at the time, I knew I had to change how I was feeling, how I was thinking, my whole approach to life
00:55:28
Speaker
there was a lot that needed to be changed. So that's how I can sort of use that experience now to say it is not just because I'm sure the medical systems are well, we killed you.
Personal Health Experiences and Mindset
00:55:44
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Well, no, you didn't. And, you know, I survived despite the treatment, not because and again, surviving, I've done much more than just survive it. I've
00:55:55
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You've thrived through it. Thrived through it now, yes. I mean, and it's a very useful experience to have gone through because I know it was everything that I changed. It was everything that I did. I had to start creating a new life for myself because the one I was leading just was not fulfilling for me. Were you under a lot of stress at the time?
00:56:23
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Yes, there were stresses. I definitely wasn't happy in the marriage that I was in. There were a lot of, yeah, there was a lot involved in all of that. It made me look at, take a look at what I was eating, the food, just everything, my whole environment, internal and external. I dived into some dark nights of the soul afterwards.
00:56:53
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came through and yes, you know, made some changes. So it is, it is a whole range of different things. And one of the things I don't do is go back for any kind of, you know, regular checkups or anything like that. Because again, like the treatment, you know, the mammograms, x-rays, all those sorts of things are, you know, they can be harmful, just like
00:57:21
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they're now discovering and all about discovering, it's now becoming more, more obvious and more people are talking about the fact that the, you know, the ultrasound scans, you know, when when people are pregnant, you know, women are pregnant, you know, I mean, it's wonderful to see the baby at the same time, that's that's an invasive or intervention for the baby. So, you know, these are, you know, you know, and I, so many things, you know, I mean, I,
00:57:50
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you know, because it was a long time ago, you know, my son had vaccines, I had an ultrasound when I was pregnant, I mean, only one. And looking back now thinking it's amazing that children do actually get through these things. I mean, they do, we do, because the body is, as I say, fantastic. So it really can cope with a lot. It's just that if we want to be vibrant and lively and energetic throughout our whole life, then we need to be
00:58:19
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you know, be aware of what we're doing because this is the other thing with, you know, old age that it's, oh, well, it's inevitable. You just fall apart. Well, it's not inevitable if you know what to do and how to look after yourself. I keep thinking about this. We went to this one homeopath last year here in the south of Portugal. He's German and I still have this, his, uh,
00:58:48
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vision in my mind of his face. His skin was perfect. He was 80. He was tall, slender, strong, and just emanated serenity and love and very nice guy.
00:59:07
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I'm like, yeah, that can be every single one of us. We can be like that. It's not genetic. All of that stuff is drummed up. Because the thing is, when you start labeling things as genetic,
00:59:23
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then there's no quote-unquote cure. There's no way to restore your health. So then you just succumb to the system's management. They don't want to cure anything. They just want to give you treatments, do a lot of scans and samples and biopsies and whatever. But this dude just really kind of inspired me.
00:59:49
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I think it's important to have examples like that. For example, I was talking to another lady recently and she was telling me her dad was about to turn 95 and she looked pretty good for her age. She was in her 60s and I started telling her about my book and stuff like that. You got to read my book.
01:00:12
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And she's like, no, I don't need your book, you know, it's in my genes. I think having that conviction that you will live a long time, you could eat McDonald's. Okay, not every day, but you could eat McDonald's every week, you know, for Sunday brunch, and you could still probably live to a very long time with that sort of positive mental attitude. Yes, there are examples of people who live
01:00:40
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you know, to be over 100 who still, you know, smoke and drink every day or whatever. It's their approach. It's their attitude that is key to all of that. It's the whole approach to life. And in turn, yes, I know it's a positive attitude at the same time. It's not always easy to maintain feeling
01:01:07
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if you like, sort of positive, because there, you know, there are situations that we've gone through. And so we might think, oh, there's certain difficulties. And if we hold on to them, we're holding on to that kind of fear that it might happen again. Yeah. And so, you know, there are all sorts of reasons that, you know, people may have
01:01:32
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Should we say not necessarily every day is a positive day. So at the same time, there's nothing wrong with that. If you ride the waves, but if you come back out again, it's when you stay in those low days and you let them take you over. And that's the point of having a ways of being good to ourselves. That's the other thing, this whole idea of, well, we've got to be this way and do that.
01:02:01
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You know the work and and everything else that we have to do whereas if we are We are good to ourselves and you know We look after ourselves because again, we've told all if you look up, you know, you're being selfish You shouldn't do that should be looking after other people so then people think that you know Oh, I can't I can't look after my I can't just go out and sit in the garden for ten minutes, you know Yeah, you know because I'm supposed to be doing something so at this whole work ethic. These are these patterns and
01:02:31
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indoctrination that we've been put into. And again, that also goes back to this system that tries to make us into, you know, little worker bees that, you know, so we, we work and we contribute to the system and then we can do whatever we want and then go to the doctor who'll fix us. But what you said about managing symptoms, I mean, that's, that's the whole point of all these conditions.
Critique of Medical System's Focus
01:02:56
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That's why they're given different labels. Oh, well, you know, this one manages this and it's about managing symptoms.
01:03:01
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which is why the title of the whole approach to disease is wrong because that's not what diseases are. It's not just a collection of symptoms and they give labels to. One of the interesting things that I discovered when I was looking at a number of different, the chronic conditions, the non-infectious, the non-communicable diseases is when you actually look at the literature
01:03:28
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there's quite often these little sentences that say, we don't know exactly what causes X, Y, Z, or we don't know the exact mechanism, but we can give it, you know, but we, you know, but these are the drugs, you know, these are the, these are what, you know, these can manage your symptoms. And it really shows how little they do know about these conditions, about the workings of the human body, even though, you know, anatomy obviously is a main part of a doctor's
01:03:58
Speaker
education and yet they really don't know how the body works and they don't and again they don't know how the mind works because
01:04:08
Speaker
I think. Sorry to interrupt you. Yeah. So as you mentioned Teledimide earlier, I just pulled up the Wikipedia page and I went down to pharmacology. That's kind of the first place I generally check to see what receptors, if any, it's working on, what action does the agent have. And it's interesting that the first sentence was
01:04:34
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the precise mechanism of action of thalidomide was not known until the 21st century. Although efforts to identify thalidomide's teratogenic action generated more than 2000 research papers and the proposal of 15 or 16 plausible mechanism by 2000. So they don't even know what their drugs freaking do half of the time. Never mind that what the actual disease is caused by or what you know, it's insane.
01:05:05
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Yes, that's exactly the point. And it happened in every major chronic condition that I looked at. I mean, I didn't look at all of them because there, I mean, if, you know, if you look at the different labels, there are hundreds, if not thousands of them. And that's the point that they are, these are not specific, separately identifiable conditions. They are just different sets of symptoms and they different combinations and they're just given different labels.
01:05:35
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And if something isn't quite working with one of them, they'll just change the label subtly and, and call it a different condition, you know, and, and just have different sub labels. I mean, the, the WHO is the, um, international, uh, whatever it is that, you know, no, not, not the, um, not the cancer thing, the, uh, labeling. Okay. They've got a labeling or condition, you know, so.
01:06:04
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identification system of, you know, well, if it's this, you know, these are different labels, different letters, different numbers, and it's all broken down as if they are separately identifiable conditions, you know, so you've got these certain things that are main headings and you'll have different so like arthritis, you know, there are a few different forms of arthritis, you know, hepatitis is allegedly there are different forms of hepatitis, but that's just, that's just nonsense. So what I mean is that they're making more and more labels
01:06:33
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And they're certainly doing it with the, what are called mental health conditions, which are a whole other issue as well. They're just creating these labels. And unfortunately, people are then happy that they're given a label because, oh, now I know what's wrong with me. So of course, they hang on to that, they identify with it, and then it becomes, they take it on as part of who they are. And so they hang on to it instead of just
01:07:02
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allowing it to be something that, well, I've got some symptoms, oh, and I can, that can change. I don't have to, I don't have to hang on to them. I don't have, that's not who I am. But a lot of people are saying, you know, because they feel there's something wrong with them. And maybe they have different ideas from people around them. Maybe they're just a bit different. It doesn't mean there's anything
01:07:28
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wrong with them, but of course this whole system is set up to make us feel that there's something wrong with us. So there's a mistake that has to be fixed. That's the starting point. We have symptoms that come and go.
01:07:47
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That's it. To me, I find it sort of backwards that we have to call children with autism autistic. So autistic adults
01:08:04
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have been social engineered to demand not to be called with autism, but to be called autistic. So I'm thinking to myself, why would you want to label a child as he is autistic? How would that be more beneficial than saying the child has autism? Because if you label them, you are autistic, that is forever
01:08:28
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how they will see themselves, how everybody will see them. I think it's like if someone has diabetes and they sort of get all up in arms that you're calling them as having diabetes and you're not calling them a diabetic. It's kind of something I only figured. In fact, I didn't figure it out after I published the book. It's before I published the book, I kind of ran into some woman that was a very, this sort of
01:08:57
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pro or the autistic label sort of loud voice. And they were very much against these labels and doing science for autism because they thought that that's harmful. But when you kind of think about it, it looks like it's just another way to subdivide groups of people
01:09:19
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via social engineering because there's some people that are autistic with very sort of, they're very functional, right? And they then have a very loud voice and then all the parents and then all the individuals that are actually inhibited by having this condition, developmentally or otherwise socially, whatever else, finding a mate, whatever, finding a job, they're almost
01:09:46
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disregarded, you know what I mean? So it's kind of pretty sickening and I really believe that these are socially engineered movements. I don't think they're sort of organic. They seem to have way too much backing on social media and so on to be organic things. Yes, I think you're probably right there and I would almost take it a step further and say that
01:10:17
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it's not even necessary to have these labels because they are intended to make people feel different. And again, this is all part of the languaging and how we, you know, we're being made to identify. And yes, the fact that there are people behind these movements, if you like, to demand, you know, we demand our rights, you know, we've got just, okay,
01:10:46
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you have some symptoms, you're a bit different, that's okay, we're all different. It's creating more ways to divide us and that's the old divide and conquer. So to keep us divided, separated, thinking that, I mean, yes, we are different, but we have far more in common than we have differences, should we say, in most cases.
01:11:16
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Even with these health challenges, maybe, there are ways of looking at how to help people without necessarily giving them a label, telling them that they have something wrong with them, or just understanding that they're different, that they function differently in the same way that some people are
01:11:43
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more artistic and some people are more scientifically minded. It doesn't mean either one of them is right or wrong. It's just expressing themselves differently. So we are, you know, we do express ourselves differently and yet it's being made, as you say, these social engineers are trying to make these movements to, well, for lots of reasons, I mean, for the divide, but also to focus on certain issues.
01:12:12
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which keeps us away or keeps us distracted or keeps some people distracted from looking at other things that are maybe more important. And it's also to, I mean, we all have certain needs and I think, you know, to be significant or things like, you know, one of them is significant. And I don't know that people have to, you know, wear a badge saying that they're different to make them feel that they're
01:12:41
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they're worthy, you know, we're all worthy. We're all and each one of us is, is, is a unique individual and we all are, we are all worthy. It's not that, you know, let's go back to like the animal farm, you know, we're, we're all, we're all equal and some are more equal than others. I mean, no, it's, and again, it's not about being equal as in being the same, you know, with,
01:13:05
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we're all individuals and we all express ourselves uniquely and that's great because then we can have like these conversations and we can bring different ideas and different perspectives and discuss them and say oh I hadn't thought of looking at it that way or oh that's that's an interesting perspective or just I don't you know I don't see it the same way as you we can we can have differences of opinion and we don't have to even change our minds in a conversation
01:13:34
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We can do it politely. We can do it in a friendly fashion. We don't have to have all this disruption. And it is... We can agree to disagree. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. It doesn't have to involve conflict and separation. And of course, you know, the social engineers want us separated and divided because when we learn how connected we are, then we're much more likely to join together and say to them, actually, you know what?
01:14:03
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we don't like what you're doing and so we're not going to do what you tell us. But to do that on our own or in small groups is a little bit more scary like you said you know if you've got somebody you know some big bully person and there's just one of you you're more likely to capitulate because you know that could be you know that could be your life at the same time you know that you have to decide but if there's a lot of you and a few of them you say actually no and you know
01:14:33
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there's not just safety, but there's power in numbers as well. And in community and joining together, there's, there's so much more power than just, you know, the however many individuals it's, it's, there's so much more to it, because, you know, we know we're, we're support, we're supporting each other, we are supported. So that's why I'm, I'm looking at ways to
01:14:59
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See, I don't want to be anti-conflict, but you know, there's so much conflict. The solution is to go the other way that's away from conflict so that we have connection and collaboration. So I know that's way off the topic of where we were going.
01:15:17
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I love how you said this entire thing of labeling disease or conditions, I think, honestly, I think it could be completely done away with and people could be taught how to self heal. So if you look at the
01:15:38
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Allopathic way, the reason they look at symptoms is so they can formulate a diagnosis. Oftentimes, it's just a hunch. You go to the doctor, you take your kid to the doctor, they'll look at the tonsils and touch around the lymph nodes.
01:15:57
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It's a virus or it's bacterial pharyngitis. They suck something out of their thumb. But then that diagnosis allows a drug or multiple drugs to be prescribed or more lab testing or surgery or all of the above and then some.
01:16:16
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But if you look at a functional practitioner, what they would do is, yes, they look at symptoms. It's important to get a tally of the symptoms, not just the most glaring ones, but in all body systems. And then with the symptoms, you simply get insight on what body systems, what areas of the metabolism need support. And then you teach the person how to support
01:16:44
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those areas of the metabolism with diet, stress reduction, supplementation, all that good stuff, and then the body does the magic. So you don't actually need to label that person through that evaluation early on. You don't have to tell them, oh, you're diabetic or you have whatever condition. It's actually completely useless unless you have a product to sell based on specific diagnostic labeling. Absolutely.
01:17:13
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I agree 100%. The label is the first step on a very slippery slope. Because when somebody has a label, I mean, I'll go back to the other thing in a minute. When somebody has, the first thing they're going to do is go home, open the internet and start doing some searching. Then they're going to see all the symptoms they're supposed to have. And some people are then, and
01:17:41
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You know, it's going to sound odd, but it does work that some people are going to then start manifesting those symptoms because they believe in it. They believe, oh, that's what I've got. That's what happens. And they'll start manifesting it because we know the power of the power of the mind, the power of the nocebo effect. The other thing is the nonsense, of course, going to a doctor when you've got some kind of inflammation or whatever or cough or fever and the doctor says, oh, you've got a virus.
01:18:11
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And right now, I mean, well, for the last four years, you go, yeah, sorry, pardon, what do you mean? You know, I mean, I just, I mean, it's complete nonsense for them to say, oh, you've got a, you say, how do you know? I mean, that's the point. It's just been so glibly put, oh, you've, you probably just got a virus. Now we know that is such nonsense. Doctors should not be allowed to get away with that anymore. Unfortunately, not enough people are kind of,
01:18:40
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realizing that and standing up and just saying, well, that's, that's not the case. But in fact, as you say, you know, to, to learn how to support the body to self heal, because the body does heal itself. I mean, that is just 100% that that's spot on. It's to say, Oh, you know, whatever it is, some, some things out of balance, something needs to be supported. I need a bit more of something or other that will just help my body. Sometimes it's just to have a rest, you know, the, the simple thing, certainly with,
01:19:11
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childhood fevers, you know, because that's the body's doing its thing naturally, it's just, you know, pushing out whatever going through a different going through a certain process, pushing out toxins if necessary, or just, you know, making the child feel so tight, you know, just wanting to rest, because that's the best thing for the body to do. And the usual thing is, oh, you know, eat no, you know, you must eat, you must eat no,
01:19:41
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that's not the best thing. Plenty of liquid, yes, so they don't dehydrate. And let them just rest, work their way through it and come through the other side. I mean, these kind of fevers tend to be, and again, I don't have a lot of data on that, but I mean, a lot of people are saying that they often accompany growth spurts, that kind of thing. So the body's obviously going,
01:20:10
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So it, you know, maybe the body will just kind of produce a fever, the child feels tired, go to bed, have a rest, and then the body can do what it needs to do because it's, you know, it's going through a developmental, because I mean, obviously, you know, throughout a child's life, you know, they are developing, their bodies are still developing certain systems, you know, even though they're fully formed when they're born.
01:20:34
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they're not everything internally is fully formed. And there's still a lot of maturation to go through until they're, you know, in their late teens, 1820, whatever it is when, you know, I think girls stop. Well, I certainly stopped growing quite early. But I mean, it's all right. It's just that I'm sort of selfish, but that's okay. It's just, you know, we just go through different developmental phases and children doing and that's,
01:21:04
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their bodies just need to be supported, not have people fussing and being scared about them. So this is why, you know, say the title is why everything you thought we knew about disease is wrong is because diseases aren't things that you get there. I mean, diseases are misnomer, isn't there's no such thing as a disease, really, when you think about it.
01:21:25
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You know, what really got me around to this is I read the book by Jeffrey Bland back in 2018, I think. It's called The Disease Delusion. I think he started the Institute of Functional Medicine, something with the functional medicine sort of stuff. And when I kind of read that book, man, that stuff clicked for me. I understood deeply
01:21:51
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how flawed the dominant paradigm is and that but also that there is a very simple way out of it you know and way out of a lot of chronic conditions unless they've been led to develop or you know fester for decades that it becomes more complex then but I love what you said
01:22:14
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how we can actually manifest symptoms. You know what I do, Dawn, is when I buy a supplement, I love to experiment with different supplements. So I'll buy the supplement and I'll start taking the supplement and then I'll start reading about the supplement like papers, research papers, and I have the
01:22:33
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textbook of natural medicine, so it has a whole 1,000 page volume on various supplements and botanicals and so on. I used to do that a lot more and I would tell my wife what it does and now sometimes I'll put a new supplement on her little plate that she's like, what is this? What are you giving me?
01:22:57
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And I'm like, I'm telling her, you know, it's XYZ. She's like, no, but tell me more. Tell me what benefits does it have so I can placebo myself? So it's kind of, I think a big part of it, we could be doing very simple things in our life. Like let's say you read about emotional freedom technique and you start doing these tapping exercises and maybe the tapping exercise is completely bunk. It's BS. It doesn't actually work, but
01:23:24
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just by doing the exercise through the power of the mind or through taking the supplement, which could be completely inert. You don't even know if the guys put just sugar in there. It's a sugar pill or not, you know, but doing these things, uh, making that conscious decision to do an act of self care on yourself or your family or whatever.
Therapeutic Effects of Self-Care
01:23:47
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Just that alone has therapeutic power, right?
01:23:53
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Absolutely. I agree totally. I mean, it's the intention. And as you said, the self-care, once you start implementing self-care, you realize that you're caring for yourself.
01:24:08
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And so you do more, so you'll feel better about yourself. And there is a feedback loop with that, that you are going to feel more worthy. So yes, I'm worth some self-care. And I'm not talking about going out and spending money on something cosmetic. I don't mean that at all. But to nourish yourself, to take some time out, to actually do something
01:24:33
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good for yourself. And so that's, or even just to sit with your food and intentionally just to sit with it and not be in front of some kind of screen or anything else. Just to have that time to enjoy your food.
01:24:50
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you know, to and I mean, that's one of the purposes of food, you know, is to enjoy it's not it's not just it's not even well, not really about calories, it's it's about nourishing your body. So you should be, you should have joy, you know, when you look at your food, and to, you know, sit and eat more. I know mindful is a word that's used a lot, but but to be just more
01:25:18
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present at that moment of eating. And so again, your digestive system will thank you because then you're not just kind of eating on the run and rush around and you just, well, I've got to eat something just for the sake of it. But it's just, you're putting something in your body and your digestive system, if you're in stress, your digestive
01:25:36
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digestive system is going to respond, react to that, you know, in a way, because it's going to be in a tension. So it's not necessarily going to digest properly, care in the way that it should, and might not absorb the nutrients in the same way, because, you know, things aren't functioning the way they should be. So, you know, it is really changing our approach to life as well.
01:26:01
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I mean, to all of life, not just health, but health is a really important part of it. So, yeah, no, I agree. I mean, yeah, we agree on a lot. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like just looking at your book's table of contents, I'm like, yeah, I think I will, of course, buy the book because it's on my list.
01:26:25
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I'm going to bump it up on the list. But for me personally, because I'm a practitioner, it's worth the investment just for the references because I just cannot even
01:26:41
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I don't even want to think about how much energy and toil you guys put into the research and just organizing all of so much work and research into one volume. You know, I have to commend you and thank you for the work you do because you're saving potentially tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of people a lot of work to get this information.
01:27:11
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Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, there's there's a distinct possibility that quite a lot of those references may not be around anymore. You know, some of the websites change or they just disappear or you know, different things happen. I mean, a lot I saved, you know, as much as I could. And at the same time, you know, there's
01:27:38
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I mean, there's more information that could go into it, but it's pretty much the basics. But I think also with
01:27:49
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the way we sort of listed the the information within the body of the book that you can still even just because we know it's getting harder to search and certainly on certain particular search engines that you've at least got a longer phrase to search on if you're trying to look for different study articles or different information because if you just put like one word in you'll get the mainstream view
01:28:12
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if you put a more detailed search phrase, then you might get to something that's more useful. But at the same time, you almost need to know what you're searching for before you search for it. Exactly. And it does get more difficult. But yes, thank you. I mean, yes, there was a lot that went into that. I mean, some people say, oh, you can do another one.
01:28:39
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Or no, update it. And it's like, no. No, if you're gonna update it, you might as well write a new one because I'm updating my first book on autism at the moment and I just sparked it because it's so much pain. I feel like I am better off rewriting something that's a third of the length
01:28:58
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more succinct and publishing that separately, then you can, it's an ego boost that you have three books, not two, but yeah, it's, it's, it's such, such a tremendous project. And anyway, let's tell the listeners where they can find you and where they can get the book. Can they buy it from you directly? No. Well, the physical book, no, on the website, there is an audio version.
01:29:22
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that people can only get through the website. The website is whatreallymakesyouwill.com. The book is available through online bookstores, which does include Amazon, of course. And it is available in a number of countries around the world, about 15 at the moment. And yeah, so, you know, it is it is available in a few, yeah, in a few European countries.
01:29:53
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as well as the usual sort of UK, US, Australia, and Canada, the English speaking world. It's interesting that a number of European, it's, I mean, for people who, for whom English is not their first language, it's still doing well in some other countries like Germany, for example. So yes, yes, with it's it's also out in to note three other languages, French,
01:30:21
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Dutch and Japanese version is the first volumes come out and the second one shortly to come out. So yes, in Japanese. That's amazing. Well, hopefully, hopefully you cover more languages as well. Portuguese maybe and.
01:30:39
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I wish you every success with it because it's nice to have it all in one place. You don't have to have 20 different YouTube channels or whatever other non-censored social media and podcasts. There's so many different places to get information, but to have it all in one place,
01:31:04
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then you will never be hoodwinked again by the big scam that's being run right now out there, you know? And that's so valuable to have as a resource in your home. I do also continue writing articles. I've got a sub-stack and that's Dawn's Writings. Okay. DawnLester.substack.com. Sweet, we're going to have that in the episode description. And do you have any social media folks can connect with you on?
01:31:33
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I'm on Facebook and I've just joined Instagram for my sins. Oh my God. Maybe we have died and we're in either hell or some kind of purgatory because I also started posting more actively on Instagram in the last, about a month, maybe five weeks. So I've been doing every day on it and I'm like, I'm just hating my life.
01:32:02
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Uh, but hey, it has to be done. Right. So, well, I only, I only joined a few days ago, so I'm very new, maybe a week ago now. So I'm very new on Instagram. Um, but I'm pretty active on, uh, let's say active. Uh, I mean, substacks, not an active platform, but I, I do write, I mean, I've literally yesterday posted a new article, uh, exposing this nonsense of, uh, the idea of cancer vaccines. Oh my God.
01:32:32
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Yeah. Okay. I just followed you on Instagram. So I'm going to, uh, subscribe to you on sub stack as well, because yeah, this, this, I think the cancer discussion that, that merits its own, uh, there's just so many things to discuss there. You know, it's so, so much criminal behavior from these companies about vaccines and the treatments and stuff that it's just unbelievable. Right.
01:32:59
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I have some clients that have been through that whole system. So I can empathize with folks that have to deal with this stuff. But it's great that you're doing this work, Dawn. Again, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you.