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EP648: Amos McCoy - Leadership Lessons From The Hit TV Series Band Of Brothers
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“When you deliver a message, 90% of what somebody gets out of that message is not what you say.”
Effective leadership is built on the foundation of clear communication, resilience, and the ability to navigate change with confidence. Strong leaders understand that communication isn’t just about delivering information—it’s about creating connections, fostering understanding, and ensuring that messages resonate with clarity and purpose. Poor communication can lead to misunderstandings, disengagement, and significant financial loss within organizations.
Amos McCoy was raised in small-town Pennsylvania, mentored by everyone from auctioneers to war heroes, and shockingly successful without ever earning a college degree—because, as it turns out, common sense isn’t something you get with a diploma. Amos shares stories about grit, resilience, and why having your mother’s employer as your first mentor teaches you more about life than any MBA program ever could. He’s navigated corporate chaos, turned organizational meltdowns into masterclasses, and proves that real leadership isn’t about knowing everything—it’s about learning from everyone.
Amos in the founder of McCoy Leadership where he teaches “leadership without the fluff.” Hailing from small-town Pennsylvania, he turned lessons from cleaning houses with his mom and life chats with historical legends into a consulting empire. With zero degrees and a PhD in real-world experience, Amos helps businesses calm the chaos, connect better, and—most importantly—stop losing money because someone couldn’t communicate beyond emojis.
Expert action steps:
1. Understand How You Communicate: Learn how you can adapt your communication style to connect effectively with different types of people, ensuring that your message is clearly heard and understood.
2. Explore New Technologies: Regularly seek out and experiment with new technologies. Take advantage of free trials to understand how they can improve efficiency and free up more time for meaningful tasks like effective communication.
3. Review Your Strategic Plan Daily: Reflect on your strategic goals every day to ensure consistent progress. Regular check-ins help prevent stagnation and keep you aligned with your long-term objectives.
Learn more and connect:
1. McCoy Leadership Website:
https://www.mccoyleadership.com
1. “Band of Brothers” by Stephen E. Ambrose
2. “Beyond Band Of Brothers” by Mjr. Dick Winters
Visit https://www.eCircleAcademy.com and book a success call with Nicky to take your practice to the next level.
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Transcript
Amos McCoy's Unconventional Path to Success
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I have no college education. I've been an executive for many years, many management positions. To be honest with you, I've never been asked if I have one. People just assume that maybe I
Consulting Role: Calming Chaos
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do. On the consulting side, with most of our consulting clients, to be honest with you, what I end up solving for them is helping them make calmness out of chaos. um To take bad communication within a company is gonna cost them at least 20% of what their budget is.
Introducing the Thought Leader Revolution Podcast
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Welcome to the Thought Leader Revolution with Nikki Ballou. Join the revolution. There's never been a better time in history to speak your truth, find your freedom, and make your fortune. Each week, we interview the world's top thought leaders and learn the secrets of how they built a six to seven figure practice. This episode has been brought to you by eCircleAcademy.com, the proven system to add six to seven figures a year to your thought leader practice.
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Welcome to another exciting episode of the podcast, the Thought Leader Revolution. I'm your host, Nicky Balloum. Boy, do we have an exciting guest lined up for you today. Today's guest is a good friend. He's a man that I've come to know as a leading thought leader in his field.
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And this is someone we can all learn a ton from. I'm speaking, of course, of none other than the one, the only, the legendary Amos McCoy. Welcome to the show, Amos. Thank you, Nicky, for having me here. I'm excited to be here and thanks for sharing your listeners with us. I think we're going to have a great podcast. We're going to all learn something and hopefully you all learn a little bit more about me.
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Fabulous. So Amos, tell us your backstory. How'd you get to be the great Amos McCoy?
Amos McCoy's Inspirational Upbringing
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I just woke up one day and I was me. I'm kidding. um Really, it all comes back to my early days. My leadership lessons really started when I was very young. my Growing up in a small farming town in central Pennsylvania, really south central Pennsylvania, my mother was a single mother. She was a cleaning lady.
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worked cleaning houses by day and worked at cleaning businesses in the evening when they were shut down. And she really ah at that point in my life became my first mentor, my inspiration, and my role model. She proved to me that no matter what life throws at you, if you work hard,
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and You treat people well that you can succeed and that was probably one of the most valuable lessons I think for me at that point in my life. I could have possibly learned Interestingly because she was a cleaning lady that gave me access to people and Lucky for me, my mother cleaned for some of the most prominent people in our area that owned businesses, owned empires in some cases here locally. and I had the opportunity as a very young man to travel with my mother and go to work with her in the summer when I wasn't in school and start to meet these people, see how they operated, see how their families worked, see how their businesses worked.
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And as a young man, I was like a sponge just taking up everything that I could take up. And I really started to understand at that point how important it was to communicate well with people, as well as seeing that difference in the world that's out there and the difference between going to someone's house and seeing a family where dad comes home from work or mom comes home from work and they sit down and they do absolutely nothing and seeing the activity level at other places and within other families. So my family soon became a family of you know six or seven different families that I got to interact with on a regular basis and one of those was a local politician
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on school board, ran for the Senate many years before my time and an auctioneer.
Early Mentorship and Leadership Lessons
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And he and I hit it off. I was about seven years old. He was 70 years old. And for for whatever reason, we clicked. And I started going everywhere with this man. And he really became one of my main mentors at that age. At seven years old, he put me to work.
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He said we would go to auctions quite often, in his auctions, and one evening he tapped me and said, hey, why don't you come up and and help me work a little bit. I also, and I got to share this at that point, I also learned the value of humor within relationships so he obviously was my mother's employer he's now by default kind of my employer although i'm only seven years old but he knew my mother was uncomfortable about seven year old being an auction runner and helping at an auction so we got to the end of the auction we were selling some.
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uh, linens and and bed linens, table linens, those types of things. And he called me over and he said, boy, he said, what can I, what would it take? How much would I have to pay you to drop all that stuff so I can see the look on your mother's face when you drop it? ah So of course as a young man, I wouldn't do it. Um, but it was just the fact that he constantly had such a good attitude As I grew a little bit older, I started working at a local feed mill and interacting with farmers and interacting with the vendors um of the feed mill and got to meet some really amazing
Meeting Major Dick Winters: Lessons in Humility
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people. One of the most amazing that I got to meet in that process was a gentleman called Dick Winters.
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And anybody listening might think, that name sounds familiar. He was actually Major Dick Winters, which was the author of the book Band of Brothers. ah Saving Private Ryan was ah based on one of his books. He delivered vitamins every other week to the feed mill that I worked at. And I got to know him. One day he showed up and gave me a book. He signed it and said, hey, I wrote this book.
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It was many years later I was sitting at home watching television and I saw him on television accepting an award ah for the books and for the movies. But these opportunities are in front of all of us if we pay attention and that was one of the things that I really started to understand was opportunities are out there but only for those people that pay attention.
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I left that world and kind of went into my real first job as an adult and got involved in the concrete block industry, kind of moved around in that industry, ended up at a very large concrete block manufacturer and guess what?
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I got there right in time for the downturn in 07, 08 and 09. So I got there just in time to learn how to downsize, learn how to get lean and do all of those great things that now we all are kind of accustomed to. Prior to that everybody was kind of living fat and happy.
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I get there just in time for this amazing downturn and what i gained out of that was how do you go through that process of significant change within a business but do it well how can you close a plant or close a business down but still take care of the people work with the people and help the people through that process.
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So today, I really just draw on all of those different experiences. I also have some experience in the nonprofit world as well, which kind of makes it a little bit more well rounded for myself.
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And the grit and resilience that I developed in those early days really are what I am teaching people today. Through trial and error, I've come up with a system that can help us build great, trade excuse me, build great teams and calm chaos. And that's where I find myself more often than not is write smack dab in the middle of something that needs to be calmed down. And that's what I try to move on and train people with.
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So tell me a bit more about Dick Winchers. I'm fascinated that you knew somebody so prominent. So to be honest with you, I met Dick delivering vitamins. I was hoping to unload his truck.
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knew him as Mr. Winters. My father was a Vietnam veteran, and I wore his field jacket in the wintertime. And I'm, you know, at this point in my life, about 12 years old, and Mr. Winters, of course, sees this jacket, and he assumes that I may have been a military person, asked me for my rank and and division of the military, and I explained to him that it was my father's jacket.
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That was the only thing that I knew about him at that point as far as who he was. I knew he was a military man. He was one of the most humble, generous people that you would ever want to meet. And then over time, I started to learn more about him.
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And I had an opportunity when I was in high school to participate in a concentration camp symposium. Wow. And Dick was one of the people that provided a lot of information and kind of shared some of the things that he went through. And to be honest with you, it wasn't until I was an at adult that I really realized oh everything that had happened with him.
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I got to share, which has nothing to do with leadership, but you asked that question. My grandfather was also a prisoner of war. He was in stalag three during World War Two. What I didn't know until just a few years ago is Dick Winters platoon is the platoon that freed my grandfather. Well, how fascinating is that that I have this intersection of those two people? That's pretty amazing.
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um Did your grandfather ever meet Dick Winters? No, my grandfather died. He passed away in 1984. And that was well before the time that I knew Dick Winters and he never never had the opportunity to meet him other than possibly when he was freed. But I don't know that he actually got to meet him or not.
Teaching Leadership Across Generations
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That's pretty amazing. You know, that generation of men, the greatest generation, they really answered the call.
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to defeat tyranny and crush evil in the name of good. It's amazing. I agree 100%. Hell of a story that you got to meet such a prominent, famous man. um It would have been a cool, neat thing, I would so i would think. you know And you must have really enjoyed watching Saving Private Ryan and the Band of Brothers.
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ah programs? Yes, and actually, i I actually have, which was given to the owners of the feed mill, and I later became in the possession of it, but I actually have the ah Band of Brothers Bible it's called, but it's actually Dick Winner's notes on the script.
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And so he took the script and put his notes in there before it went back. And he made copies of it. And it again gave to some of his dearest friends. And the owners of that feed mill that I worked at received a copy. And several years later, I ended up with that copy. But being able to watch that and understand that the man that I met that was so humble is the man that went through all of those all of those things in a foreign country as a very young man. And he continued to teach at the War College and at West Point right up until the end, which I think is goes to show how important it is to continue, whether it's in the army or whether it's in a business, how important it is to continue to instill those good leadership qualities into the next generation.
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So what would you say are the top three lessons that Dick Winters taught you? I would say one, it doesn't matter what we've been through or where we have been, I believe, um and that's terrible. I believe his last name was Markle. He was actually in a concentration camp and he's the man that said, um we always have one last place of safety and that's within our mind.
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And so we can make our lives whatever we want. And so in his case, he had many choices to make. He could have come home and been a miserable, terrible person. He could have come home and completely closed off and never talked to anybody again. But he chose in his mind to make the most out of everything that happened to him and all of those experiences.
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and to never look back and regret it, but to teach people from the experiences that he had. And I think that's what we all can learn from is that no matter how terrible the experiences are in our lives, there's something to be learned and we can change in our mind how we are going to interact with whatever that thing that happened in our lives was.
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I would say probably the the second thing um that I really got out of him is how important, again, back to relationships. I was a 12-year-old young man working in a feed mill, and he took time to learn what my name was, the history of my family, and every time he came in, he interacted with me when I was there.
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That is the basis of connecting with somebody. And that's how important it is today at 45 years old. I remember those interactions from when I was 12 because he made a connection with me and did something that was very valuable for me throughout my life, which was just making that connection.
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And I think the last thing that I learned from him, but not at that period of time, um learning later after the movies came out and the books became wildly popular, um was really understanding how important it is to tell our story, how important it is to let people know how we got somewhere.
Success Without a College Degree
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um One piece of my story that I left out earlier is that I have no college education.
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And I've been an executive for many years. I've held many management positions. I never got a college degree. To be honest with you, I've never been asked if I have one. People just assume that maybe I do. um But telling that story of how you get somewhere is so valuable. And I think that starts with people like Dick Winters, as well as the auctioneer that was a part of my life when I was younger.
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So tell me about this, not having a college degree. I think, you know, at the time that you were college age, it was a bigger deal to have a college degree than it is today. In fact, today, a lot of people are telling young people college degree is a net negative, a net minus, not a net plus. um And my son, like I told you, he's about to turn 19. He was about to go to college to get his kinesiology degree. He got a job instead and he decided he doesn't want to go to college. He wants to just work. and And there's a lot of young people making that decision. So talk to me, walk me through the fact that you didn't have a college degree and yet you became you know a high powered business executive.
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So when I was graduating high school, everybody said, you absolutely have to go to college. It's the only way you can succeed. I did go to college for about four weeks. And at the end of four weeks, I said, this is not for me. yeah I'm not going to learn anything here other than all the things that I probably shouldn't learn, right? yeah I mean, I just knew that I wasn't cut out for college.
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So what I knew also was I needed an education and I think that's the key. Everybody needs an education but you don't have to get it through college. So I went out and got a job and I attribute my first promotion to grit and hard work.
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I was working at a place. There was an order that came in. We couldn't fulfill it because there wasn't enough time. So rather than sleep that night, I got up in the middle of the night. I drove to the plant. I broke into the plant. I got the equipment out and I handbagged sand all night until six o'clock in the morning when the normal time to start was. And when my boss came in and saw what I had done, I said, don't worry about it. I don't need paid. I just wanted us to be successful.
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I said, so don't worry about paying me, I'll work my whole shift. it's It's not a big deal. And that is what led to that first promotion. After I got that first promotion, I realized I need to learn a lot. So it really came down to understanding how I learned, leveraging that,
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and then making sure that I continually learn. Today, I'm well known for being very good with financials, to be able to look at them, analyze them, and understand them. I have no proper training in that other than I read the Idiot's Guide for Financials in many years of practicing. But my point is that I got the education through reading and through practical experience. So I'm still having an education. I just went about it in a different way.
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I've got a university degree and I got my master's as well. I went to but went to Georgetown U to get my master's and um I'm proud of what I did. But when my son told me he wanted to work and not go to college, I didn't bat an eye. I thought it was the right decision.
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You know, a lot of colleges today have become ah woke factories to indoctrinate your children into communism. And what they do is they take a whole lot of money, put kids into a whole lot of debt, and they don't really deliver a value that lets them get a practical skill set that they can use to make their way in the world. So you kudos to you. You were just ahead of the curve. you know You were just ahead of the curve, Amos. That's all there is to it.
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um I like it. I like it a lot. So Amos, why don't you talk a bit about some of the key problems you help solve for your clients with your particular skill sets?
Solving Chaos in Leadership Transitions
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So, on the consulting side, with most of our consulting clients, to be honest with you, what I end up solving for them is helping them make calmness out of chaos. um to take Whether it be a change in leadership, a change with CEO, um or it could just be a new project that they know is going to cause waves throughout the organization.
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to come in and work through our strategies and help them be able to achieve, get the message out, get the buy-in from all the employees that are involved.
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and to continue to move forward. And you know more than anything, um being able to take what is typically going to be chaos. And if you think about a CEO change, maybe they know that CEO is leaving, the new one's coming in, it's a retirement.
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son, daughter is coming in to make the replacement, but they know that there's a big difference in how they think and they know it's going to be a shock to the organization. That can be handled very well and that can be handled in a way that really causes turnover and other issues. So many times I find myself in the middle of chaos trying to get calm everybody down and kind of get everybody going in the right direction.
The Importance of Effective Communication
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And the other piece that we continually are solving for for teams, whether it be small teams within an organization or an entire organization, is communication. In today's day and age, so many people think that by sending a text, an email, um making a phone call that we are communicating what we are.
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but we're not connecting. And the biggest thing that I tell people, which I think this is the biggest secret in the world that most people don't really pay attention to, is that when you deliver a message, 90% of what somebody gets out of that message is not what you say. It's your demeanor, it's your tone, and what you say. Now, if I'm gonna send a text message, what am I missing out of that equation? Right?
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I'm missing the tone and I'm missing um the demeanor. They can't see me. So the best example I can give, I went into one of my clients one day and as I'm walking through as a retail operation, as I'm walking through, several of the retail folks came to me and said, are you going to see the owner? I said, yep. I said, oh, he is in a terrible mood today.
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And for me, I thought, that's odd. This guy is never in a terrible mood. I said, really, what's happened? What's going on? So we don't know, but he has been sending nasty emails and yelling at people all day.
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So I go in his office and I sit down, said, how are things today? He said, actually, things are going wonderful. He said, I've been very productive today. I've got this, this, and this done. And I'm kind of scratching my head thinking, what's going on here? And finally, he did say, you know i said I do have this one issue. He said, the caps lock key is stuck on my computer. And it hit me that all morning he had been sending emails and all caps because the caps lock key was stuck or broken.
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So everybody misconstrued that that's funny as he was yelling at them. So, you know, that's a simplistic example of a real life scenario. it's really But helping helping teams to communicate is probably the second biggest thing that we do. Okay, so that was a good example. So why don't you give me a couple of examples of how you've helped folks with these things and what yeah what the result was.
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Absolutely. um Early in my career, one of the companies that I worked for came out with this great idea. They were a pretty big company, um you know places all over the United States, big ah central office had all the bells and whistles and all the charts and graphs going up and down the walls and stuff. And they came up with a great idea that they were going to leverage their buying power. Now they had plants all across the United States And it seemed like a great idea, but they missed one kind of key point. They didn't really tell anybody. They came up with this idea. They said, we're just going to send a memo on Friday afternoon saying everybody across the United States, here's the new buying plan.
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Well, of course, what happens to memos on Friday afternoon, most people don't read them, right? They get thrown out. yu So when it comes to the next couple of weeks, I was at a local area within this business and people started showing up at the plant saying, you got to do business with us because your corporate office made a deal with us and you have to use us.
00:23:53
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It almost created a revolt because people didn't understand what was happening. Why are there people coming telling me, I don't have a choice, I have to do this? yeah Thankfully, I was at a point in that business that I was kind of involved with both parties, corporate and at the local level. So I went back to the corporate folks and said, what's going on here?
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And they explained to me what they had done. I said, can I see the memo? And they said, sure, because I'll be honest with you. I threw the memo out too. I didn't have it. So I look at the memo and it basically says, here's what you're going to do. Thanks.
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And this is a prime example of nobody told them, them being everybody else that is going to institute this, nobody ever told them what the vision was. Nobody told them, hey, we're gonna save $2.8 billion dollars across the United States. And although it might be more expensive just for your plant, overall, we're gonna save this amount of money. So I had them rework that and send it back out, explaining what the vision was and what was happening.
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And of course, there was buy-in from everybody at that point, which up until that point, we're in opposition of what was happening. So being able to work through and many times just look at it and make sure that the vision is actually there and that people can align with it and they understand where they fall within it.
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The other big or example that comes to mind to me is sometimes people end up owning a business um or they stumble into business ownership kind of like tripping over a cat. You know, something happens. A spouse passes away, a father, mother passes away that owns a business and they end up without ever intending to run a business, they end up in a position where they're now going to run a business. and In some cases, in many cases, they're really not prepared for it. They take it on and say, well, I got to do this. I'm just going to go into it. It's all going to work out. and Ninety percent of the time, it does not work out the way they expected it to because they had no real realistic expectations. They didn't know what to expect.
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So I have one client that I've recently worked with that has kind of went through this transition and working with the leadership team as well as the owners and just getting everybody aligned and making sure communication is happening, making sure everybody sees where they, excuse me, sees where they fit within that vision and then within that mission and making sure that we're headed in a direction and everybody understands that.
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There are obviously all kinds of variations of how though that can happen within business ownership, but it amazes me how often people end up owning a business, not tending to own a business. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Amen.
Costly Mistakes in Business Communication
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So Amos, um what would you say is the single biggest mistake people make when it comes to communicating through an organization that causes oh oppositionalism and frankly ends up costing them money. I think the single biggest mistake when people are communicating is that they assume that the people on the other end of the communication know everything that they know. And more often than not,
00:27:37
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What I'm coaching people on is one, the type of communication. Back to what I said earlier, you got to ask yourself, why am I communicating? What am I trying to put forth? And does it need to be recorded? And if the answer is no, to it doesn't need to be recorded. And you're just merely trying to get a message to one individual.
00:28:02
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go have a conversation with them, right? So why are you communicating, then picking how you're gonna communicate, but then lastly, understanding that everybody receiving that message may not have the same knowledge as you. Most of the time, issues that cost money within an organization are based on the fact that the communication that kind of started the process was not clear for somebody.
00:28:30
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Makes sense, makes sense. And um what has this ended up costing organizations when this is something that they haven't addressed?
00:28:42
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When organizations don't address this, they're gonna have significant turnover because people don't feel as though their thoughts and opinions are are of matter or are being considered. But more than anything else, where it really costs money, because turnover costs money, we all realize that. But where it's really gonna cost money is whatever your end product is, whether that is just a customer that you have a service-based product or you actually have an end product,
00:29:12
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I guarantee you that if communication is not happening, whatever your process is, service, manufacturing, construction, it's gonna cost you more to make that product than it should. And that's the biggest cost that I see. So if an organization say a $100 million dollar company, um how much is this probably costing them a ah year?
00:29:40
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Bad communication within a company is going to cost them at least 20% of what their budget is. So if they're a $100 million dollar company, and I'm not saying they're losing it, but they could save it. you know There's obviously loss that can be associated with bad communication. You lose customers, you don't get product out the door, but it's costing you more to make your product so So, on average. How many millions of dollars was $100 million dollars a year company able to save if they get this right versus they're not gonna save it if they don't? They're gonna save at least $20 million dollars a year within their business. Really? Yep. 20 million, man. That is bold. And honestly, if I'm a CEO and I buy into that, obviously I'd want to do something about it, right? Yes, absolutely.
Contacting Amos for Consulting Services
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So Amos, if people are interested in booking a call with you, how do they go about doing that? So we'll get you the link, Nicky. If you can put it in the show notes, they can get right there and book a free call with us so we can start to have a conversation and go through kind of what some of your pain points might be. They can also find us at mccoyleadership dot.com. Simple and easy, M-C-C-O-Y, leadership dot.com. Love it.
00:31:05
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And we end off each episode Amos by asking you our guest expert for your top three expert action steps. These are your top three in bullet point form, best pieces of advice from my listener to take their mindset, their performance to the next level. What say you? I would say number one, which has been kind of what we've been talking about, understand how you communicate and learn how you can communicate differently with different types of people so that your message is heard. I think number two is in today's age, there are so many pieces of technology coming out. Task yourself every month with trying to look at what new technologies are out there that you don't have experience with.
00:31:59
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and get a little bit of experience with them. Get the free trial, check them out, see what they can do for you. Because I have been amazed at what technology has been able to do just over the past couple of years. It can help to make us more efficient so that we have more time to spend on other things like communicating with folks.
00:32:23
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And the last thing which I often tell people is get a handle on what you as an individual are doing every single day.
00:32:35
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make sure that you're hitting those high points. Whatever your strategic plan is that you have today, and we hope that everybody has one, you need to reflect on that every day and make sure that you're making forward movement in the areas that you want to make forward movement in. If you're not looking at it every day, all of a sudden a month has gone by and you haven't looked at it and you've made no forward movement.
00:33:02
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These are great expert action steps. Amos McCoy. Thank you for coming on the show.
Engaging with the Podcast Community
00:33:11
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Listener, Amos McCoy is the real deal. Go to his website, Amos, ah sorry, McCoyLeadership dot.com. McCoyLeadership dot.com, we'll put that in the show notes. Jump on a call with him if what he's saying is resonating with you and see what you can do to help your organization be more effective in terms of its communications. And if you enjoyed this episode, give us a like, give us a rating, give us a review, because the algorithm likes it when you do that, and the wokesters won't be able to stop us, because we're one of those non-woke podcasts out there, and we need your help to get past the woke throttles on our algorithm.
00:33:52
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So that's really important that you do that. Make sure that you do that. And if you got a friend who's down and out in the dumps, and this message is a message that you know would help them, then share the episode with them. Just share the episode with them. You'll make their life better. You'll be glad that you did. um Amos, thank you again for coming on the show, man. Really great to have you here.
00:34:15
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Absolutely, thank you for having me. Yeah, it's my pleasure, brother. And that wraps up another exciting up episode of the podcast, the Thought Leader Revolution. To find out more about today's amazing guest, the one and only Amos McCoy of McCoy Leadership, go to the show notes at thethoughtleaderrevolution.com or wherever you happen to listen to this episode, be it iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, Audible, YouTube, Rumble, or what have you.
00:34:43
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Until next time, goodbye.
00:34:49
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