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How Do You Feel? Interoception and BTE, Part 1
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Care to jump down a rabbit hole? K and I discuss some of the essential elements that make Between the Ears, Between the Ears. A huge part of BTE, literally, is Interoception.
In this episode we examine a huge component of how we as human beings experience life and how influential it is to our pursuits. This is a deep topic, with massive significance, that extends way beyond a single episode, so this is just the beginning.
Our outlet to express who we are and be of service to others is fitness and coaching. It's our profession, calling, fascination, possible obsession, and without a doubt our passion. Diving into this question, 'how do you feel?' has much more significance than you might initially think. It's also a very volatile question with the amount of noise out there in the fitness industry.
I will stand by this assertion: Examining this question and the essence of it's intention can forever change the way you interact with yourself and help improve your life.
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Transcript
Chaotic Start with Dog Management
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Hello? Okay girl. Hello. Come on now. I was just trying to dog manage. Oh yeah, this might be a doomed setup. There's a dog on us and there's Charlie. My dog, my daughter's fine. Your son is off in the problem. Do not talk about my son that way.
00:00:30
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Anybody listening, go on YouTube and watch the video. It's... Well, if people don't like what we're talking about, at least the dogs kind of add an element to it. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's fine. So this is, um,
Revisiting Self-Awareness
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Last week we did the Sinek, the cheerleader and the coach, and that was a bit concept heavy. Yeah. Hopefully people were able to, you know, find something in their life that they could apply that. The purposes of all of this is to raise self-awareness, to make informed and purposeful actions in line with how people want to live in a fully engaged life. And so that's kind of,
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That's the intent behind it all. And then when we look at what the execution, the individual execution of that looks like from person to person, it's obviously going to hopefully mean something different to everybody.
Handling Information Overload
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Today we found we thought we'd do something a little more conversational Yeah, I think it can be a little much of every week is like this new concept and that can be heavy Yeah, and that's the thing We don't want to just pump out this concept that concept because then it just turns into anybody familiar with like the hoarder thing, right? Like then it just turns into that and the volume of information out there is already overwhelming, you know, like
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And I'm looking at all the books and stuff and we're and I've said this we've said this a bunch before but like, you know, there's it's not for a lack of information, you know, it's often a
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an overload of information. And that's not something that we certainly want to add to because it just becomes noise. It becomes noise. And frankly, in my opinion, my observation, my judgment, whatever you want to label it as, it's a insatiable, um,
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thirst for attention and I think that's prevalent among people putting out quote unquote content where it's attention and it's attention and you know we really would love to be gifted your attention but we're not really looking at what we can receive rather what we can provide and what we want to provide is value and so that's kind of yeah all of that so nonetheless
Conversational and Applicable Podcast
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Today will be a bit more conversational, although the intent is to have it be very, um, yeah, informative and educational and applicable. Yeah. Still still valuable and applicable. Yeah. That's always going to be the tenant. So do you want to kind of, yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting. You mentioned all the information and the books and stuff. And because I think that's kind of a segue, I mean,
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It is not for lack of I think where we are going with today's podcast is just not the tendency for people
Understanding Fitness Complexity
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to see fitness and personal growth and all those things. It's just like this very a word that you've used is like myopic or condensed or watered down thing. And often then the problem with that is they might not
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make progress I mean we can speak for ourselves and wonder like but I don't get it I'm I'm doing all the things I'm doing all the pieces I'm reading all the books and like just you know what's missing is putting all the pieces together understanding that it's complex and it's a bigger system than maybe
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were sold or what we think or all of that. So I guess that's kind of a big topic. And we've talked about it as it relates to fitness before, like, you know, taking into account the nervous system and things like that. But I think making the connection to like, that it's just
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We talked about it with the skeletal system. You can't just say your musculoskeletal system is separate from your nervous system. It's separate from fat burning. It's separate from your brain. I think the piece that has been missing and all the information and all the content and the books and what people aren't putting together, it's so much more complex than that.
00:05:15
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as a tool to help people and understanding, like personally, I could say, well, I don't get it. I like changed my programming. I'm doing this and this and this. I'm eating this and this and this. Why aren't I getting leaner? And it's like, well, because there's all these other things that are happening. You went to a seminar this weekend, talked about the lymphatic system. You got some whole other thing. It's like, it's just not this, um,
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It's just not that simple. And that's not to scare people or overwhelm people. Well, the body is not simple. And if we think that it is.
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Then we're just misleading ourselves. Yeah, I mean we're just uninformed and that's fine. So it's like yeah the the challenge too is I think with As it relates to like, okay, we'll just take leanness for example That's what you see. Mm-hmm. And so we're
Appearance vs. Performance
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a very visually driven. Yeah culture and society and there's
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there are, what you see can be incredibly misleading for how you interpret and how it influences and drives your behavior. And that's something that I think with, Charlie, you're killing me buddy.
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That's something with fitness too, it's like, what was so refreshing about CrossFit was that it was not just what you see. It flipped the whole aesthetic, mostly with women, on its head. And it was like, wow, this is beautiful in the form of being and capability and challenging. Right, what you could do, no mirrors, it was about performance, like what you're capable of.
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Yeah. And that's also not to boo to boo who aesthetics, because let's be honest, like I also go to the gym and I also eat healthy and I train and I do all that because I would like to look good because that is part because also, too. Yeah. Like that feeds into how you experience life. Right. So. But to your point of that being misleading, so like you saying that that what you see driving behavior or
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not taking into account what's happening. Like we are a very, um, and I don't know what the right word is, but like face value or one dimensional, like we can all get stuck in that a little bit, like in terms of what it looks like and wanting to just, you know, okay. So with that example, I think it's good to carry that out. Like, so the leanness thing while
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Yeah, there's like, okay, there are there's exercise that's involved in there, what kind you do. There's food, what kind your timing of your food, all that stuff.
Stress and Physical Outcomes
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There's also though, and this is where like the between the ears, you know, you talk about, like, your emotional state, your stress level is a huge factor from a scientific body function
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place, not just made up stuff of how your body will actually burn fat, which contributes them to leanness. How all that stuff happens and behavior will impact how the food gets processed and how fat storage happens. So all these systems are not
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operating in isolation yet I think it's very tempting for us all and myself included to want it to just be such a objective thing and like I don't want to think about how my stress level like contributes to is contributing like who cares stop talking about that that has nothing to do with this
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This is just about my fitness and my leanness. It's like, well, that's just not a fact. Yeah.
Survival Training Insights
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And there's a lot. I mean, Jesus, there's a lot in that. If you so when we were talking to somebody about this this morning about being starved and I was saying like I was in a month long systematic and professional starvation. Course, basically survival training.
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And I forget how long I went without eating. And over the course of the month, your food gets cut down and down and down.
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And we were talking about signals when it's like, I'm hungry, I'm hungry. And one of the biggest things that I've been, you know, saying for a fucking long time now is how do you feel? And that's not like happy, sad, thumbs up, thumbs down, but you know, truly what is the physical sensations you feel within your body? Now what's coming to the surface is this term interoception. Which I was reading last night in the book Greek for
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like feeling inside. Yeah, so the guy back in...
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early 1900s, I forget his name, but basically he was talking about, okay, there's the feeling from inside, the sensations from inside that communicate to your brain, and then there's feelings from outside. So like skin, visual, that kind of stuff. And that was extra reception.
Interoception's Role
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Dr. Bud Craig comes along and just doesn't understand some things. And he's a neuroscientist and just brilliant, brilliant guy.
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And he digs in even deeper. So he digs in digs in even deeper to. Essentially, how do these senses drive the autonomic nervous system? And there's two pathways and there's two types of two different sizes of nerve cells that communicate to your brain. So if the autonomic nervous system, the thing responsible for balance, homeostasis, all of that. Like what's communicating to that?
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Don't tell, because it was, initially it was like, okay, well, the autonomic nervous system just is responsible for homeostasis at all your levels and balance. And he's like, so that would be a action oriented, you know, to your body type thing.
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And what he discovered and found out was basically like, no, there's all this shit communicating to it. Okay. What the state of your body is. So interoception truly is. So like your stomach communicating to your brain, I'm hungry. The feeling in your stomach is communicating. Well, the sensation, the physical sensation.
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of like empty tingly of your viscera and of types of nerve fiber cells Underneath your skin Communicating to your brain the overall State of your body of your system. It's not just oh this stomach is telling me this That's it. Like it's everything at
Managing Emotions Through Awareness
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every moment is communicating to you got a physical sensation
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You're not really, you're not controlling that to an extent. Like that's not, you're not really going to control that. Stop feeling that. No. So it's like, Hey, just, yeah, just think concern yourself about something else. It's like, no. Anyway, it's just automatic. So, so one of the biggest things is like, well, how do you feel connecting to what is the physical sensation within you?
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looking at like physical sensation and body part. And then you can then look at, okay, how is that influencing a behavior that I am going, that I associate with this sensation? That is an receptive awareness in a nutshell. Now it is incredibly much more, it is much, much more complex and deep and all of that, but in a nutshell, that's what we're looking at.
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And you're saying that to say we're talking about interception to go back and connected to what we're talking about that like that impacts. Yeah. So here's a perfect example.
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Like how we cannot just discount that system. That system is when we're talking about these surface type things that we want. That is a system that we have to account for, is basically what you're saying. Yeah, for sure. And be in tune with. So your examples. Yeah, so an example would be, let's just take, for example, anger. OK. All right, somebody. Have you ever been angry? Can't recall.
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Generally anger, um, we'll say it's projected outward into others, but there's usually something within yourself. That's a whole different can of worms. We won't open up. Um, somebody cuts you off in traffic. Somebody does something to you, right? Yeah. External. Cause that's generally what we're often, uh, you get angry, you get angry and you react now.
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There is a series of events that occur before your reaction be that flip them off. Let's be honest. Most people aren't fucking doing that. Most people are just going to conjure up this story in their mind and visualize it, but not actually like confront the person. So there's this, there's this thing that happened. So let's just say the action in this point, somebody cuts you off and the action is you curse at them or you yell or you scream or whatever.
Reactions vs Responses
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What happened between them cutting you off and you punching your steering wheel and cursing at them? There is a very fast series of, a series of things that occurred, but we can intercept them. This is, that's like not an interoception term. We can inter intercept them. If we can, if we can.
00:15:00
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Have our raise our interceptive awareness like connect to connect to What the fuck is going on? Like what am I feeling in my body? What am I feeling? So everybody knows that scenario like I can imagine I would feel like for me like a pit in my stomach Tingling down my legs. Yeah blood rush down my legs. Yeah cheeks are probably gonna get right So being like, okay asking myself, okay, I'm feeling this I'm feeling my stomach. I'm feeling my legs. Yeah
00:15:31
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to then kind of stop the behavior that versus just going right through. Right. Right. Yes. And so someone cuts you off. Someone cuts you off. You're programmed to, to most of most, like most people, right? They're going to have this. That's a threat. Threats are communicated to our brain extremely fast because we need to understand
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or we need to react. We need to react fast because it's like this body needs to survive. That is evolution. Right. That's the reptilian. That's that's wired. Right. So.
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The thing is, is that it's not interested in being accurate. And so I dove into this in the, in the between your seminar, but like, let's just say, Hey, threat incoming threat. We need to, we need to react. So your reaction is going to be, uh, based upon this threat.
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Now, there is the ability to also respond. Now responding is having an action that takes into account what's happening and is appropriate and in line with essentially like how you want to then be. That's a response. And you see it all the time. If you were to just consider this like, okay, do I react or do I respond?
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Responding is considering what is happening actually, like what it is and reacting is just like that reflex, right? So someone cuts you off. Do you understand that like, like I'm like, you, you feel this sensation. You have this feeling of feeling is one of the greatest phenomenons in the world because it's yours. Like we don't feel the same thing the same way, even though there might be commonalities. Somebody cuts you off.
Stress Impact on Fitness
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You have this urge now.
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the ability to connect to what you're feeling, where you're feeling it. So rush of adrenaline down the legs, stomach is tingling, jaw is clenched, face is flush, heart rate is going up, you're breathing a bit shallow.
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That's a, that's like classic stress response by connecting to the feeling at the body in within the body and understanding that I'm being curious with how is that going to impact and drive a risk, a behavior. That's then where you can come online and say like, all right, yeah, I am having this.
00:18:10
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really overreactive or this stress response or this anger and that's gonna like that's gonna drive me now if you're not aware of it and if you then you skip over that entire thing and then you react right so I guess all that that is a example of in a two things one you can apply that to like a lot of things of course everything everything so
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you know, that could be how you approach any thing, really. Yeah, it's how you it's so that you can start to really connect to like what's driving the behavior. You can start to have some awareness of like, okay, am I do am I am I just doing this because it's reactive or like how am I feeling and how is that contributing now to like where my behavior is going? But I think the other thing about that is also it's a mechanism to
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help, um, not de-stress, but like diffuse all those things that keep like happen. Like if you, so if like you had 10 of those incidences in a day, someone cut you off and there was this and there's that, those kinds of things, and you're just reactive, reactive, reactive. That is escalating your stress, your cortisol, like all of these things are happening in your body as a result.
00:19:36
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not to bring it back to this, but like for people that are listening, they're like, okay, so what about my freaking fitness and leanness? Like, right. That stress response in your body, that's exactly what we're talking about. Like you could be, and we were talking about this this morning also.
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you could be doing all the right workouts, all the right eating, but if you are in that stressed state, it is going to, if your cortisol is up and all that stuff and your adrenal glands are taxed, that's going to keep you from whatever that goal is of getting fitter, losing weight, being leaner. So yes, that said, the hippy dippy shit, like, ah, I don't need that stuff.
00:20:17
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Yes, you do. Yeah, you do. Because yes, whether you like it or not or you it's not really a choice that you can't you can't control that. Like you getting stressed elevates your cortisol. What you can control is if you are going to allow yourself to get stressed and doing that in the interception and like recognizing, okay, where am I at? What am I feeling connecting to that?
00:20:37
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That is a method of stress reduction, the nasal breathing. And that's where then you can look at these tactics and strategies, and now they have a fighting chance. But without the awareness, interceptive awareness and self-awareness, also awareness of just how you operate in the situations that you get yourself in.
Defining Holistic Fitness
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And again, there's this whole other element of you finding things that you
00:21:05
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Yeah, don't even know you're looking for But like then you give the tools a fighting chance But without the awareness it doesn't happen There's also the element of and you said like, you know that how things are driven. So That is In my opinion like when it comes down to fitness So it's like well, what about you know, what about my fitness? Okay, so
00:21:34
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The whole element, the whole thing about fitness is, if we were to, and talk about this, but like if we were to say, hey, what is fitness to you? And I've said it on purpose like about eight times now. So I planted the thought that when I said fitness the first time, you thought of the gym.
00:21:51
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I know that for a fact. You thought of the gym. You did not think of Darwin. Right. And fitness being. Most people think of exercise. Right. Exercise. Where they go to work out. So you didn't even. But the thing is, too, is like you as the listener didn't know that I was controlling your mind.
00:22:08
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This is where it's going to get crazy. I'm just, I'm just going to say this. I said fitness. You heard it. You thought without actually controlling your thought. The gym working out, maybe a run, maybe climbing a mountain, whatever some sort of physical component was.
00:22:26
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So when you tell me, yeah, no, my mind is more powerful than what your, your, your, your input of sensory information, I can outthink myself. I can control my thoughts. Not like that. So.
00:22:43
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The reason I then bring that up is because if we think about fitness, we usually with myself included default to physical fitness. It only makes sense. How do we improve physical fitness? There's the billion dollar industry question. Well.
00:23:02
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insert whatever, you know, kind of program that you think is best. That's how you're going to improve your fitness. Like I said, like somebody climbing mountains, they're going to improve their fitness in a different way than somebody competing in CrossFit training for another whatever.
00:23:20
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So we have a pretty good idea about what fitness is and how to improve it. And it largely focuses within the environment of physical. Now, if we were to say, how about mental and emotional fitness? It's probably going to stump, stump people, possibly meditation, maybe a psychologist, maybe some sort of alternate form of medicine. Okay. Like, but what is it then?
00:23:50
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And it becomes this giant question mark, right? But interception, as well as the other systems of the body, the lymphatic system, the nervous system, all that stuff, tell us that there is a physical component, but there's also these other components that, that influence the brain. That you can't like, that you can't like cut open your arm and like, like you're not cutting open your arm and we can say like, there's blood, right? These systems, the nervous system,
00:24:22
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You can't see it. I mean, okay. There are some, I'm saying like the lymphatic system, do you have your, like, but I'm saying some of the sensory, the stuff that's happening, the transmission, it's, it's not a,
00:24:38
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Blood cell that's flowing up to your brain. It's it's Where does it exist? But it's very so I'm saying like all the Like sure the interception is like those sensations those This are all those things
Emotions and Physical Health
00:24:53
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that are happening. Yeah, but the actual like some of these like the stress response or like what happens What's happening? Like when that person cut you off the fact that you had that response, right?
00:25:06
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That's not because like ancient times of like humans and from Darwin, like we know cars cut people off and like, that's a made up response that like that pissed me off. That provided a reaction. And my point in this is like some of this stuff, because I do think it's like people, because of the categorization of like, well, mental and emotional and fitness, who fucking cares? Like, whatever. That's just bullshit. But to your point, no, these are systems of the body. They're not all,
00:25:36
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things that can be like looked at under a microscope. No. I mean, the structures are there. So the nerve cells are there. Like the vagus nerve is a nerve. The vagus nerve is there. The spinal column and how it goes. And we were talking about this, like your emotional response. So somebody cutting you off in traffic travels to your brain. You see it. It travels to your brain. Emotional things travel to your brain way faster than rational thought.
00:26:06
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Right. And that's what I'm saying is thoughts and emotions are not things that you can examine under a microscope. No. Now you can do functional MRIs and see like on the brain. Where the brain lights up. But right. So but like during your day. Things are very much real. And that's where I think people get lost and like it sounds so new age and like. Yeah. But that's the funny thing. It's not. Right. You know, the other thing that's amazing about that is, OK, so we'll go. We'll just dig down a little deeper.
00:26:37
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Story matters. Context matters. Somebody cuts you off on a highway where there's virtually no traffic. You're going to be like, what the fuck is this person's deal? You drive into the city, Manhattan?
00:26:49
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Right. And a taxi cuts you off. You're not having that response. So how is that possible in a way higher stress place? Because it's the expectation and that difference of what you expect. And that's not what we do. We don't do that on 95 going 87 miles an hour. We don't cut people off.
00:27:10
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Yet in the city, it's like, woo, wild West cut everyone off. They do it on the bike, whatever. If he gets clipped, it's his problem. So it's like, so, so context and matters environment matters. So what the hell does this have to do with getting lean? Okay. So all of this stuff happening is stored in your body.
00:27:34
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And all of that stuff then has an influence on your thinking, on your emotions. Likewise, your emotions have a, um, an influence on your musculature. And so we're in, we're 20 miles outside New York city right now. We'll just say the center of, you know, the West, if you will, the further East you go, the more they're talking about it.
Eastern vs Western Health Perspectives
00:28:02
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And so that's where you look at the key channels and what organs are kind of what organs present themselves in different musculature. So like, for example, then this is one of the things that Dr. Nicholson talks a lot about is like, you know, the spleen in Chinese medicine. If you have a muscular problem, they're going to look at your spleen.
00:28:30
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they're going to look to kind of clear that stuff out. Now, when you look at what the spleen actually does in terms of removing toxins, yeah, that's really important. But here it's like, fuck it. We can survive without it. Don't matter. Chop it. And it's like, what? You know, like that. It's just like saying, yeah. And it's like saying made up of pieces and parts and they're not related to the software. And it's like, but and it's also like saying you think you're different.
00:28:57
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Did you custom built, like you're not a car, you're not a Tesla, where you custom built everything. Sorry, you didn't get that. And the other thing is, how were your parents? How was your parents' health? You don't think you inherited that? So the amazing thing about leanness as well as when looking at the lymphatic system is that the fat covers toxins.
00:29:21
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The lymph system is designed to basically flush toxins out of your body. You're having all of these metabolic ways, these parasites, all of this stuff, right? Like you're inherently, there's toxicity within you. The lymph system clears your shit out essentially. Okay. It's easy to get blockages. It's easy to have a lot of waste within. So you need to clear that now that and inflammation within there.
00:29:47
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covers toxins. So if you're just trying to target the fat, if you're just trying to target a specific kind of musculature sort of aesthetically driven thing, and you're not considering how toxic your body is and how you're cleaning it out, either via nervous system stuff, vagal nerve stuff, as well as manual lymphatic draining,
00:30:11
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How are you going to clear the fat? Once you clear the fat, then the fat will sometimes dissipate. Now, is it absolute? And is it saying that the, the, the answer to leanness and losing fat is, is lymphatic draining? No, obviously there's the exercise component and whatever. Yeah. And I think that's, that's the word,
Personalized Fitness Approaches
00:30:32
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the absolute. It's like, that's, I think if one thing we try to,
00:30:38
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we're trying to at least establish is like there just aren't any there's not a lot of absolutes i mean there are absolutes in how the body works but because there's so many systems it it would be remiss of us to say like here's an absolute about how to eat here's an absolute about how to work out because that misses the mark and so the complete way of fitness
00:31:02
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Is those three pieces the physical the mental emotional and that's something obviously you you define that you talk about that at the between the ears seminar and It's um, yeah, it is really eye-opening. Yeah, and I think but I think what's just uh, what's really valuable is How you tie it back to like the actual brain like when Looking at like which parts of the brain are responsible for what and which talk to each other like that was really
00:31:31
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really fascinating. And last night, you know, to go all the way back to what you were talking about, but the books at the beginning of this, you know, it can be a lot of just like knowledge coming in and like, okay, you're just reading all these books and gathering information. But I would say that
00:31:48
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you know, from your perspective, like very few people. And that is something you did is looked at all these books and took all this information and then put it all together and a piece. And so that's what is really fascinating when, you know, the average person isn't doing that, but when you do that and you start to put all the puzzle pieces together, then you can start to make sense of like, okay. Right. That's also, that's my job. That's my calling. That's what I do. That's how I want to serve.
00:32:15
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I also, though, will say I see past behaviors. For what they were now, for example. I'll just take soccer, for example, because I don't want to sometimes I don't want to do all the military stuff, but there is a time where I just. Physically, it was it was at the end of the season, had a back injury during it.
00:32:41
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There was another sort of social element that I wasn't happy about playing the game didn't really play all that well. Mm-hmm played actually pretty bad Social a social element that sounds intriguing Did you have a girlfriend girlfriend come on no, okay
00:33:03
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Social element go on there was just the environment under which I was in was was stressed I was not I was not content. I was not happy with it And I had a physical thing going on yeah, this kid did something Actually slapped me in the nuts on a corn kick. So it's a congested area in the box It kind of gives me like a little nut tap and I snap I lost it and I smoked him in the face just caught him with a right right hook and
00:33:29
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Fucked him up like I Broke his eye socket broke his nose bleeding probably through a TV. I am definitely not definitely not like I should have been I should have read card well at a minimum red card, they didn't see it so cornicate goes we go running back to the midfield and Where he's like all fucking he's just bloody he's like a madman now Comes running out and I'm like that's right motherfucker. I
00:33:59
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Yeah, so And I know what he's gonna do. He's gonna just take a wild haymaker swing Mm-hmm, and he does that and I just duck and I laugh at him and I'm like look at that Like you can't like you just in you know, it's all that and then they rest calm and people are freaking out I don't no one saw it Oh Weren't they ever
00:34:22
Speaker
So my I was a fresher. This is a fresher. I was going to go home that weekend to see my girlfriend and you were having some issues with it. No, it was that was the social element was different. OK. Yeah. OK. Don't you worry about that. Go on. Anyway, my parents were like.
00:34:45
Speaker
I was like, Hey, I'm just gonna drop like get my stuff and I'll just come and like, where do you think you're going? I was like, Oh, I was gonna come home. And I didn't have a car. Like can you drive me home? They're like, absolutely not. Like you think we saw what you did. And I was like, what do you mean? Like how you operated out there and what you did. Like you could have actually killed that kid.
00:35:05
Speaker
And that's completely unacceptable and all this stuff. And I was just like, they're like, get the fuck out of the car. Like we're not, we're not doing this this weekend. And I remember that. I remember that vividly. I was like, man, that's awful. What does this have to do with this discussion right now?
00:35:21
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had I known the environment internally and externally, in which I was operating, I would have had a better control of my responses. Because you would have been able to intercept them a little bit. I would have been able to understand what I'm dealing with, yes. And so when we look at that, that's an extreme example of physical anger. I punched that kid for way more than just getting slapped in the nuts. That happens, honestly, all the time.
00:35:51
Speaker
I crushed that kid.
00:35:55
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for way more than that. Which is arguably what happens with most people when they stub their toe and they start crying or someone yells at you, they get the wrong drink at Starbucks and everything. So wouldn't it matter to know how our internal and external environment, our feelings and sensations can have a significant, possibly life-changing, good or bad influence on how we act? I think that's really important to know. And I say that story, trust me, there's a lot of other
Zen Mastery and Self-Awareness
00:36:25
Speaker
Stories and stuff that I have that I am not proud of that story I'm embarrassed in fact in fact because I always viewed my I read Zen books ever since I was I could read but that's And that was a and that was like you are not a samurai That was always the biggest thing like to become a samurai to come in and injure like that is there's this extreme mastery over yourself your mindset your and your physicality and that was 100% amateur and like nope you're out and
00:36:51
Speaker
But that's kind of the point. You may have read a lot of Zen books, but without the tool to understand how to become a master of that, how to, and so, and that's kind of what we were talking about this morning in prep for the podcast. Like it's not a judgment on people. It's understanding how frustrating it can be for people who are trying to do the work, but just not getting the full picture. You know, like you've often said, like you're looking at,
00:37:18
Speaker
you know, something through a straw and then you're stepping back and you're realizing, Oh, it's like a huge painting. So, you know, being able to put those pieces together for them, because yeah, it is, I'm extremely frustrated. You'd be like, I'm doing the meditation. I'm reading the books. I'm, I'm getting my physical workout in. I'm whatever. And then like, I'm feeling super stressed out. And yeah, I snapped at the lady at Starbucks or my kid or whatever. Like what the hell? Like why is this not working? Yep.
00:37:44
Speaker
And then that escalates your stress, which, you know, cycles it. So I think that's, so some of the tools. And I think there's a lot of what's, what is, instead of feeling like, well, great, like it's so complex that why even bother?
Diverse Approaches to Wellbeing
00:38:01
Speaker
I think it's more of a positive thing to say like.
00:38:04
Speaker
There are so many ways to approach it. Yeah. And so many tools and it doesn't really matter like where you start, but it doesn't. There's a lot of ways to start. You went to that seminar this weekend and one of the things that you said was like the vagus nerve and the lymphatic system are like huge for.
00:38:21
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at the top of the list for like health, basically. And so when they did those assessments for the lymphatic system, you did very well, meaning like you didn't have a lot of areas of like problem, which surprised you because it's like- Which is also problem, I'll just say what that is. So it's a physical assessment. So there was people, I had a 300 pound Viking looking dude who looked like an offensive lineman for the Jets, like just a beast.
00:38:50
Speaker
I had him taking his fingers and jamming them into my body. But maybe he had small fingers. They didn't have small fingers. In sensitive areas. So like the belly button. You know my belly button? How I'm like, if you try to touch, I'm like, I will take your arm off. Yeah. Treat me like that soccer kid. Well, be careful now.
00:39:13
Speaker
Yes. So it was like all of these things. So like he was like, yeah, I pressed he pressed down and got to my spine. The point is a lot of people had like. Yes. Those were areas like signaling that there's some blockage or something going on. Something going on. Your lymph nodes. Right. There's a blockage or something. And so for you, you didn't have a lot of those areas that were flat red flags. And I was stunned. Right. Because I've got some shit. Got some stuff.
00:39:39
Speaker
But one of the things that Perry, the guy doing the seminar, was explaining, because probably you've done so much work on the nervous system, on the vagus nerve, like working on- And mindset, like the way I define mindset, 100%. Eliminating the toxins that aren't just about
00:39:57
Speaker
the food you eat. I mean, although that is something you've worked on too, like your stress, those are all things you've done that then have helped contribute to your lymphatic system. So it's not like you have to now people have to be like, Oh my God, now there's so much. Cause I think that can be really overwhelming, but it's like start with something. So that's why those things like nasal breathing, while it might seem like, what the hell
Simple Wellness Practices
00:40:21
Speaker
is the point of that? Like, I don't, I don't care about being less stressed. It's like, right. But it's as,
00:40:27
Speaker
that has such a bigger impact. So like maybe it is starting with that. Maybe it is starting with, um, interception, like stopping and being like, okay, I'm going to focus on, and I know you do this with a lot of your clients. Like, okay. The assignment is to like really connect to that feeling. I've been doing that a lot lately and it's been pretty eyeopening. Like, and as it relates to things as
00:40:50
Speaker
you know, tangible as like food. Yeah. I mean, that's such a huge one. I mean, it's a huge epidemic problem in our world. That's, but to be able to connect to like the feeling, because we know that behavior is such a driver and like the food choices we make. So be able to stop and be like, okay, what am I feeling? And yes, is that hunger? Is it just that I'm like really depressed? Is that making that, as you said, interception to drive your behaviors.
00:41:19
Speaker
Those are all huge things that you can pick any one of them and they will start to like impact other things. Yeah. And there's other things, for example.
00:41:31
Speaker
Like that's why the journaling also I'm such an advocate of because it's not just about writing shit down.
Journaling and Mental Clarity
00:41:39
Speaker
Just like it's not like about just checking the box doing work. It's not just about doing trust me. There's a lot more to journaling than just sure inking paper. Right.
00:41:52
Speaker
There's, if you want to get crazy into it, there's the homunculus element, which is essentially where in your brain your body connects to. And if you look at the picture of the homunculus for a human being,
00:42:08
Speaker
The hands are giant. Google it. It's a fascinating picture. So the homunculus, it's like the foot gets a small part, the knee gets a small part, the head. But you're saying the hands relative to all the other parts of the body. Relative to the rest of the body, the hands are big. And I forget the order and the hierarchy, which is much. But the hands are the biggest part, essentially. So when you're writing and holding the pen. So when you're writing, you're activating nerve cells in your hand that connect directly to the brain.
00:42:36
Speaker
So there's something there, right? Now you're looking at focusing. There's an accuracy element, a tactile element that you need to have when you write. Thumbing onto the keyboard doesn't have that element.
00:42:51
Speaker
So here we go. You're activating something. The thumb, as it relates to the hand, the thumb is as the most cells than others. So and everybody that writes, unless you're an eight, right. You don't have to type with your thumb. You don't type with yourself. Now, you also like just patting it on the phone doesn't work anyway. So that connection you're activating also muscles in your hand. You're using your mind. You are moving. You're having some sort of movement. Right.
00:43:20
Speaker
Movement is how the body like lives. Without it, it dies. So that's like the physical element, right? There's also then the environmental element of, or we'll just say the mental element of having to pause to process your thoughts or just hearing what you're thinking and transcribing them. So boom, there's the connection between physical and mental now. Now we're gonna go into the emotional part.
Exploring Emotional Constructs
00:43:50
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pausing, which is huge, the value of the pause, as well as being able to connect to an emotion. By doing that, you are one step away from connecting to a physical sensation that actually is the essence of the emotion.
00:44:07
Speaker
Because the emotional label. Right, we just named it. Is just naming it. It doesn't exist like pain. We'll just say depression or anxiety or I don't want to, everyone keeps using those. So we'll just say. Joy. Joy, nervousness, shame. What are some other emotions we get in there? Anger, resentment. Oh, here's a great one. Regret.
00:44:36
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That physical sensation is not inherently regret. You make it regret. So we can start to, with raising our awareness, you're one step away from really just when you see this stuff, it completely
00:44:56
Speaker
When you see fear, it changes how you look at fear. When you see death, it changes your relationship with depth. That's the value of awareness. So anyway, the journaling, the process, the environment, and how you do it.
00:45:14
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has a life changing impact. Now, is it going to be the first time? Absolutely not. It's going to be the, it's going to be every single time. Absolutely not. But if that is part of your life, part of your work. Yes. The other thing that I've like been saying for so long is effective journaling is cathartic. It is a cleansing element. The fucking lymph system, the lymphatic system cleans your body.
00:45:45
Speaker
one of the things it does. We need that. I'll be the first to admit there's some toxicity within me that I would like to clear. And am I perfect, 100%? Absolutely not. The fact that the guy was digging in, I was like, wow, man, I'm really surprised. There's really not much going on here. That doesn't mean I don't have any work to do. It's just that right now, yeah, the limb system is pretty good. I'm doing all right there. And there's obviously improvements to continue to make. So that element of journaling
00:46:14
Speaker
why it matters and why it's a critical part of between the ears is because it truly is a physical, mental and emotional fitness exercise. And if you're like, oh, physical fitness, I'm not going to, oh yeah, where's my abs going to come from journaling? Like fuck off. Like honestly, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to hear that type of stuff. And you're kind of giving me the eyes right now, but I, because, because anybody that would say that there's obviously,
00:46:40
Speaker
I get it, but I just also want to say, the point is because that physical fitness is way more than just whatever that thing is. That's part of it. Now, I think if we look at the word fitness and try to expand upon it,
00:47:00
Speaker
And we can't agree. The irony of this entire thing is that we can't agree from a physical fitness standpoint. There's not one definition of if there was one way of everybody getting fit that was what made everybody happy, healthy, blah, blah, blah, everybody would be doing it. There isn't. There's a wide spectrum of things. Yeah. And I think CrossFit did a good job of defining how CrossFit defines fitness for CrossFit. And you're absolutely right. If you're going to play the CrossFit game, you better be CrossFit fit.
00:47:30
Speaker
What about other people? Like there are some phenomenal athletes that would get blown out of the water. CrossFit. Well, right, because they're not fit for CrossFit. So I think if we zoom out a little bit and look at fitness as a whole, it's a supporting action and a mechanism, it's a supporting element and a mechanism of action for a specific intent.
Personal Fitness Intentions
00:47:50
Speaker
Then so that it's not to say it's just for one thing or the other but it's a supporting element for an intent so for example fitness from a Darwinian standpoint is an organism's ability to reproduce survive and reproduce Survive is the mechanism of action for the intent of reproducing okay, so what would like my
00:48:14
Speaker
definition of fitness it would be because I can't answer that I mean for like most people need to answer that question yeah and say like okay because then that helps them understand well if I want to feel good and I want to look good and there might be some things that then don't really align with that intent right and so making those decisions and that kind of helps and like and the feeling good well if I want to feel good and look good and there are these other pieces to it that are important and my stress and
00:48:43
Speaker
Those then all have a role. If my intent is just to like be, and we keep using the games athletes, but like an athlete, that's one of the reasons why we talk about the word athlete being a little dangerous. They're probably not looking to feel good. They're looking to win. The intent is to win. Right. Or excel at a certain sport. Right.
00:49:02
Speaker
So the things that they're going to do, like their stress level might be really freaking high. Probably is probably is. And to the degree of just mitigating injury, like that's how they're managing their stress for their intent. For me, I want to be less stressed so I can look good, feel good. And.
00:49:18
Speaker
So I would start with this. So for somebody thinking like, okay, I'll, I'll, I'll play your game a little bit. And you're looking to look at a fitness for yourself. What does K animal fitness look like? I would first ask you, if you were my client, the first thing I would ask you is how do you want to feel? How do you want to be? Are you charging me for this? Yes. I want to look good and feel good.
00:49:45
Speaker
Okay. How do you want to feel? How do you want to be? I want to feel, I mean, in relative to like, just, I feel good. I'm asking you, how do you want to be? How do you want to actually live your life? I want to feel like I can, I feel, I want to feel like I can go run if I want to be, be mobile, be capable. So freedom. So you want to feel free. Capable. I want to feel capable. Okay. You want to feel capable. What makes you feel capable?
00:50:16
Speaker
being strong, being fast, having mobility, not being in pain. Okay. So if you think about being strong, being fast, having mobility, not being pain and being capable, what does that feel like inside?
00:50:36
Speaker
Like what's the emotion, what's the energy, energy, like high energy, um, joy. Okay. Um, confidence. Okay. I mean, I guess the physical sensation would be, you don't have to necessarily say that we're just sort of developing some things. So it's like, okay. So you want, you want freedom of capability to be strong, fast, flexible, not paint in pain.
00:51:07
Speaker
so that you can feel joy, confidence, et cetera. So you're starting to have your building blocks, right? So that's how you wanna be. Now, what are you gonna do? What can you do? What are you willing to do? From an action standpoint, that can extract and tap into and connect to what it sounds like is, I'm just gonna say, like with you, personal freedom.
00:51:36
Speaker
What are the supporting elements for you to achieve personal freedom in your life? I'm not sure what supporting elements to find that actions. What, what are the, what's the, what, what are you going to do? What are things that you would like to do or things that you're going to do? Well, that's what you asked me for. That's what we're talking about. I mean, who knows sometimes whatever.
00:52:04
Speaker
Yeah. So I think for me, that means like having some, I think it's a fine line of having, being committed to some, a plan of some sort that, but also having some curiosity and having some experimentation. So not being absolute about things. So for me, when I'm thinking like having freedom, if it's like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, this is what you have to do. Like that doesn't feel like freedom to me. It doesn't feel like joy.
00:52:31
Speaker
having some flexibility. Okay, but you're still not answering the question though. Okay. Now we're talking. So what are the actual things you're going to do? Okay, so the actual things would be like working out in a traditional gym with weights. Okay. Also doing some Metcon things. Like I do enjoy the CrossFit style workout.
Flexible Fitness Routines
00:52:52
Speaker
I also want to work on a specific skill. Like I've enjoyed swimming. I really like how that feels. Uh-huh.
00:52:58
Speaker
When it gets nice out, I enjoy going to the track. I'm doing a little run. That would be like from that side. I would also like to, yes, continue to do the journaling that I do after my workouts, because I feel like that's really effective. So what we did was we looked at really like how you want to be, how you want to experience life.
00:53:28
Speaker
look at the emotions that you are essentially looking to achieve in your life and then back up into, okay, what are we going to do to get that? But if we go the first way, I'm going to be 6% body fat. We don't necessarily get
00:53:50
Speaker
Right. And I've been there. And you've been there. Without any joy. Without any joy. So that's something that I think when you start to develop your fitness, why I say
00:54:03
Speaker
supporting element and or mechanism of action for a specific intent. The intent isn't this like concrete specific like I did this for that. It's not the linear thing. The intent really is how you want to be. So this is how I would describe between the years of fitness. Because just like there's the CrossFit fitness, there's yoga fitness, there's opportunities for this. Understanding and honoring who you are.
00:54:30
Speaker
so that you can live an authentic and fully engaged life. That's what between the ears is. Now that's something different for everybody.
00:54:39
Speaker
Yes. And someone can also, I want to be clear that I think like currently my intent could be, I want to do a half Ironman. Yes. But I think the question behind that is like, okay, so why, why do you want to do that fireman? How's that going to feel? Exactly. So it's just defining like it's fine to have goals. I want to do a powerlifting meet. Great. What is it about the powerlifting field? What does that make you feel?
00:55:01
Speaker
So to not eliminate like these maybe things that are goals or markers, that's fine. There was an exercise we did at the seminar, which is a powerful exercise about these types of goals. And for purposes of time, we're not going to go into it now. If you want to go through it, like, yes, I coach people through this stuff all the time so you can reach out. But
00:55:27
Speaker
It's not about the Iron Man. And so for you, for many, for the abs, for myself, I'll just throw myself on the chopping block now, because you were kind of in the fire. It was never about the Green Beret. It was never about being an All-American. It wasn't just about that specific thing. Now, where I've mostly with the military, not so much with being an athlete, but
00:55:54
Speaker
you know, where that has been challenging is that even though rationally I may have said going in, I know that I who I am is much greater than just the color of the headgear I wear or the tab or the missions or whatever, all of that. You know, emotionally, it was it was hard to. Keep that at bay because also. It was amazingly important, but
00:56:24
Speaker
There was a lot more to it. I guess I'll just say that there was a lot more to it. Um, so for me, if you look at how you want to be, let's look at some of the emotions, some of the feelings and sensations that you want to experience in life. Right.
00:56:45
Speaker
and start there, then apply creativity to what we're gonna do to get there. So it's a combination of what and how. And I think that someone asked about constraint versus objective discussion, and I'm not getting into all of that, but that is kind of an interesting guide towards
Objectives vs Constraints in Goals
00:57:03
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that. Not having it just be like, I wanna be 6% body fat versus this is, what does you associate with that? Well, this is how I wanna feel. How can we set,
00:57:12
Speaker
some sort of guidelines to feel that way, not just have it be like, whatever has to happen, I just have to get six for that body fat because. Yeah, you can get there. And then what, like what the hell was the, what does that accomplish? Yeah. Yeah. And that's a big thing. And so, you know, that book, uh, so the objectives versus constraints thing, that's something that, you know, Julian and, uh, strong fit have, have put on the map and the book, why greatness cannot be planned. Everybody should, it's a great book. Read it. I just do want to say, like in my experience too, uh, with people,
00:57:43
Speaker
It's also about ambitious goals.
00:57:48
Speaker
So if you have a goal of walking the dog, you're like, Hey, I'm going to walk the dog at one PM today. Yeah. That's an objective, right? It's not like a constraint would be at some point during the day, I'm going to walk the dog. Like that's not really like that's, that's that. So the objectives versus constraints, um, looking, so looking at, and I have a phrase for this that I work with people on as NATO, not attached to the outcome.
00:58:13
Speaker
if you're so outcome oriented, and if that's the only thing, and everything you do is just for this one outcome, then you're probably in a bit more of an objective thing. Now, I think that, again, there's interpretation, and there's application, and like we say, quite often,
00:58:35
Speaker
There isn't just a one-size-fits-all and the dogma of this is the way. Personally, we don't really subscribe to, but again, it's a fascinating concept to dig into and to look at like, okay, what are some guidelines? It's a helpful tool, too. It's a helpful tool. But also, you do have to understand that as that was written, it was about ambitious goals, you know, curing cancer, for example. That's an ambitious goal.
00:59:05
Speaker
Like you working out today, not quite as ambitious. Now the ambitious goal could perhaps be you want to have a better relationship with your body. Okay, great. Now we're going to be a bit more creative and that's where we can get into it. All right. There was just another question too. It was about, and I don't want us to get interrupted with dog barking in a couple minutes, but it was about
00:59:27
Speaker
You know, when someone's expectations are kind of the difference of setting them straight with what's, how do you personally bring your athletes back to reality when training them? For instance, when their goals don't match their training. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a huge thing. That's kind of all the stuff we're
Coaching and Realistic Goals
00:59:45
Speaker
talking about too. It's just how we frame. I think a great answer to that is like asking them.
00:59:51
Speaker
to go through this process. What are you looking for and what does that align? You know, someone who's training for like, you know, we have a young guy training to make the qualifier to go the games.
01:00:06
Speaker
Yeah, like he needs to be aligned. That has to be in alignment. What he's doing, his training, his expectations. And that's coaching. I mean, that's part of coaching, is being able to work through that. Someone else who's a member who's got a family and a job and whatever, their goals and stuff probably shouldn't be his goals or there's going to be a disconnect. Yeah. And going through them, asking them, what are you looking for? So they can solve their own
01:00:35
Speaker
answer their own question. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, you know, that's that's a big thing. Without a doubt. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we can get into that more on another episode. But I would say that also, from my standpoint, I am nobody to tell somebody they shouldn't have a goal. Sure. I am not like, like, if I know people who
01:01:00
Speaker
If I were to look at the situation, it would say like, you've got to be kidding me. I think the question, though, is more like some of our stuff. Like when you see someone putting themselves maybe at risk for injury because there may be training five times a day and maybe there's I mean, we, of course, miracles happen. But like.
01:01:19
Speaker
Okay. Is your like having, I think the simple thing is just having a conversation to that person and saying like, I think having goals are great. Like what is your goal? That reality of it too? Like, like the reality realities of a whole different rabbit hole. But it's also like, yeah. So if this person's reality, if they say, Hey, I want to go to the cross of games, let's just say, or I want to become a green beret and I've had these people.
01:01:43
Speaker
I've said like great now I can look at them do an assessment I can have a conversation with them and I can know right away Whether they have a chance or not. Yeah. No, I'm not gonna tell them. Hey buddy, you know what? That's not my job and I'm not a dream crusher because their reality might it might I don't know if it's about that they them going into them going after becoming Green Beret and
01:02:08
Speaker
might very well be the carrot at the end of the stick. They need to pull themselves out of a crazy bad environment. And so I think that's, then who the fuck am I to say, no, no, no, don't do that. Right. I think the interesting thing there with the coaching relationship becomes then like, okay, if that's the goal, what you've had happen is you've set up all those kinds of things. Great. This is what we're going to do. This is what it would be to train to be a Green Beret or, and, and then it will turn out that the person's either doing the work. Right.
01:02:36
Speaker
and they go try out or they find out and you've had people too in the process be like, this isn't what I want. I've had a lot of people more. I've never had somebody successfully become one. I've actually never had somebody successfully. This is kind of like why, how much I care too. I've never actually had somebody come on as a client when they want to become a green bright and I'm not a tab protector.
01:02:58
Speaker
Uh, and I'm not saying like, no, I did it. You can't. What I'm saying is I believe in that so much that I will provide them an opportunity to actually find that answer. Yeah. And often what has happened is they're like, Hey, you know what? I thought I wanted it. Yeah. And then I realized this and it's like beautiful, but now you have your, they've come up, like I said, with that answer for themselves.
Pursuing Goals for Self-Discovery
01:03:21
Speaker
Yeah. All right. You're forcing us off here. You're like, well, I.
01:03:27
Speaker
I'm not forcing us off. I just want to end in a nice way that's not the dogs getting crazy when Marcus walks in from school and wrapping it up. All right. Well, I think that's it. Yeah. Well, yeah. OK. Yeah, I think those questions tied in nicely, too, with like what we were talking about and just it is to your point of how you answer that on the story, like a lot of the stuff, the
01:03:55
Speaker
The catch is like, it's so individual. Right. But there are, but what's beautiful about it is that there's commonalities and when we start to see themes and we start to see patterns and we start to understand.
Universal Wellness Concepts
01:04:06
Speaker
Yeah. And of course how I experienced that's the, I love that how the feeling is a phenomenon.
01:04:12
Speaker
and we don't know. But we can have these kinds of conversations and that's where, you know, via Between the Years, why it works and why I think it's amazing for people is because looking at that element of fitness, that definition of fitness, and then looking at the components, physically, mentally, and emotionally, and digging down deeper into those, and then having a working definition of that, and then saying, okay, what does this mean to you? How can we extract it?
01:04:40
Speaker
And just having that be the ongoing thing rooted in self-awareness with connection to who you are. That's it. And so.
01:04:50
Speaker
more to come. I think we can probably do another hour episode on all of that. It's the first part of the between your seminar lecture. So if you're in wherever and you're like, damn, this sounds good. I want to dig into it. And let's talk. We can come out. And then working on some scheduling some days for hosting in other places. And then the practice is a practical way to have some structure and guidance with that.
01:05:19
Speaker
You know, uh, that's the point of it all. Like, and I guess I need to be a bit, I think I need to be a bit more overt and not so coy. Um, you know, and so that's that, um, practice 2.0. I'm going to probably finalize that once, once the weather is warm, once the weather is warm. By April one. Yeah. Damn. You're a slave driver. Taskmaster.
01:05:44
Speaker
Yeah, you are. All right. Well, if that's if that's that's all we've got today, there's way more we have, but hopefully that gets some juices flowing, you know, and then any questions, anything, any whatever. If you guys like this, you know, would love to hear.
01:06:01
Speaker
from you and everything like that. Uh, but until next week, we hope you enjoy. I have no idea what we're going to call the title of this one. Maybe you can do that. You can contribute to the podcast. Well, you haven't done anything here. I'm setting it up. I'm recording it. I'm giving you my time. Without me, it would not be as interesting. I don't know. Go back and see what people say. Go back to solo.
01:06:31
Speaker
and let the people speak. Be prepared for what they say. What they say. Your son is sniffing. OK. Charlie's out of his mind. All right, then. We'll see you. Come on.