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Episode 80: Ludo’s Comeback! Roller Coaster Results & New 24hr World Record
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This episode is hosted by James and Jess, joined by the one and only Sarah Ludowici! Ludo is on the comeback trail post-baby and absolutely tore it up at the Roller Coaster Trail Run. She gives us an update on life, training, and how things have changed since welcoming baby Aurora.
Jess is fresh back from Europe and reflects on her World Champs experience, while James shares some positive news from his injury rehab with a hopeful return to running on the horizon.
We also dive into all the latest race action: Roller Coaster, Blackall 100, Big’s Backyard Ultra, Fully VK, and the 24-Hour World Championships, where Holly Ranson delivered a phenomenal 2nd-place finish, breaking both the Australian and World records!
To wrap things up, we tackle a listener question on overcoming jet lag when travelling for training or races.
Results:
Rollercoaster Run:
https://www.multisportaustralia.com.au/races/roller-coaster-run-2025
Blackall 100:
https://results.sportseventservices.com.au/results.aspx?CId=16287&RId=6488&EId=2
BIG’s BYU Currently On:
https://my.raceresult.com/364272/#0_B3DC1F
World 24 hour Championship
https://live.breizhchrono.com/external/live5/classements.jsp?reference=1384568432549-14
Fully VK
https://www.mso.swiss/events/2363-kilometre-vertical-de-fully/results?type=SCRATCH&typeId=14682
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Transcript
Introduction and Guests
00:00:12
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Peepershoots podcast episode 80. My name is James Sieber and today we have Jess Jason back with us and we're also joined by the recent podium finish at roller coaster Sarah Ludowice.
00:00:26
Speaker
How are both going? Sarah, how are you feeling after the race? Feeling good, yeah, feeling pulled up all right, so pretty happy with that. And Jess, you're getting used to Australia again?
00:00:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely. I'm so glad I've come back when the weather's warming up. Got a couple of days at 30 degrees here in Canberra, so can't complain. Everything's green and beautiful now, so I'm pretty happy.
Sarah's Life Changes and Running Post-Pregnancy
00:00:50
Speaker
yeah yeah you'd managed to time this one really really well it's uh it's like being the the fact that the longest wait for summer and now it's just kind of a warmth and it's just hitting us now yeah luna i want to come to you because you've had obviously quite a lot going on in life over the last nine months or so getting back podium but there's a yeah lot more story in that how how has it been having a baby for the first time
00:01:21
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. How do you sum that up in a nutshell? um Oh, look, I mean, having a baby is the best thing ever. um And we've just had such a great, it's just been such a great time and a great experience and you you learn so much and you're continually learning, you know, every day you're learning new things. And, you know, i feel a lot of privilege, um you know, getting to be a mother um and also, yeah just riding all of the waves that come come with it really.
00:01:50
Speaker
So was very general statement, but I can go into detail about anything if you like Uh, no, I just, I think it's, it's fascinating. Like all all my friends that have had kids for the first time and lot of, a lot of my friends have their first one to their second kid and just like the way your life changes and priorities just shift so much because you're now focused on a whole new life and looking after them. And I'm always just so curious, like how, especially when you're kind back into sport, like how you then view your sport.
00:02:18
Speaker
Now there's this whole other meaning to your life. Yeah, look, it definitely, um, It definitely changes it in ways, but not not as much as I thought it would. i I think sort of getting pregnant came at a really good time for me. Like I think in sort of my, I guess my running career, I was definitely feeling quite demotivated. um i think I was telling you on the weekend, like after living in Broome, I sort of, um the the things that I really got out of running, so like the community and, you know, the adventure in beautiful trails, kind of like,
00:02:53
Speaker
I lost a bit in broom. There were other really beautiful things that I i got out of living broom and I, and I loved, and which was why I was there for so long, but it definitely, um, suffered in my running. And I think it also, yeah. So getting pregnant came at a good time and that I, I did need, ah I guess, a bit of ah a break, like a mental break. And, um, and I feel like it, yeah, really has.
00:03:19
Speaker
rejuvenated and re-inspired me and coming back and training feels so much easier now than it did before when I didn't have the motivation.
Balancing Motherhood and Training
00:03:28
Speaker
um I guess like, you know, as an example, I used to like, you know, when my alarm would go off at whatever time it would go off, sometimes 3am in Broome, but other times even like a 6 or 7am, I would just grumble, grumble, grumble to get out.
00:03:43
Speaker
And whereas now i don't have that. It's sort of any opportunity that I get to go out is great. it It's, you know, I often have like maybe a half hour, 45 minute window where between like my husband getting back from training before he goes to work, that that's like my running time and things are going to change as she gets older because now I can take her out running in the pram. And I did that successfully today, but there've also has been unsuccessful pram runs when she just cries and doesn't want to be there. And so you end up like walking out with
00:04:17
Speaker
holding a baby and pushing a pram with one arm and that, you know, gives you strength in other ways. um But yeah, I guess like it's, it's just, I don't know. It just feels like there's a lot more lightness in my training at the moment.
00:04:32
Speaker
um And I think that's partly just the break, but also, yeah, I guess coming up to the race, you know, race morning, it's sort of like, but okay, what does Aurora need? What ah what do I need to pack? What do we need to get sorted? Like, when do I need to feed her before I go?
00:04:47
Speaker
And then, ah okay, I'm here at the start line. I've got like half an hour and now I can think about the race. And that is also interesting. Like I actually felt really nervous on at rollercoaster on the weekend, like more nervous than I've probably ever felt, but didn't until like right, like when I got there.
00:05:02
Speaker
Oh, gosh. But, yeah, so it's just, yeah, lots of different things to think about. And it's so like so exciting to cross the finish line and, and you know, see Aurora again.
00:05:14
Speaker
yeah, it's all of the good things. as sounds sounds very positive that like because you're not given the time to really think about races and granted like you haven't got back to i'm guessing like road of course is not exactly an an a race it's you just bit building back through but does it feel like were you someone that that would get really nervous for a start line and it's kind of nice having that distraction or was that never really an issue Oh, look, I think it's good to have nerves. Like, you know, they call it the, you know, the optimum arousal or you know you don't want to be too, you know. so
00:05:49
Speaker
um I think, yeah, I think I i had a ah had nerves um and, but not nothing, not like this. Like it felt like a different nervousness. Like this one was, I don't know, maybe it was more, not necessarily the race, but just being back and completely different and,
00:06:10
Speaker
Um, yeah, I, I couldn't quite figure it out to be honest. Um, but I always like just, yeah, once you start the race, I feel like that's when I get into my rhythm and it probably took me the first quarter of that run.
00:06:25
Speaker
um I've talked on the podcast before about like using lots of mantras and um anchors and things that I use when I'm running. And I actually, for the first quarter of the race used the, like kind of the mantra that I say to Aurora when she's crying and, you know, she's fed, she's got all of her needs met, but she's like crying and she needs, she just needs to cry. And i think a part of that is actually keeping me calm in that situation with her.
00:06:54
Speaker
And so I would say to her, like, you're loved, you're safe, you're exactly where you're meant to be. and yeah, it's a match of her, but it's also a match for me in those moments. But yeah, i use that in the first part of
Mental Strategies in Racing
00:07:05
Speaker
the run. And I really like the part of like, you're exactly where you're meant to be in that, you know, there I didn't need to...
00:07:12
Speaker
like I'm exactly where I'm meant to be. I didn't need to be doing, I didn't need to feel anxious about where I was how I was going to perform. It was just like, whatever you do today is exactly what you meant is the exact experience you meant to have.
00:07:25
Speaker
And that whenever I felt in the first part of the race where I started to like, maybe like, you know, what, like worry or have thoughts that I weren't going to serve me, I would just come back to that.
00:07:36
Speaker
And, you know, sooner or later, i then get into the route, like the run. um, and it's got it's not as much of an issue anymore. Like I'm more in flow or I'm more like the terrain is hard. So I'm just actually just counting of like trying to get up that hill, like that first big climb. I think um that's when I really kind of like just settled into the actual run. Um,
00:08:00
Speaker
I kind of find when it gets really hard, that's when I i um find it easier mentally. i don't know if that makes sense just because you you have no other choice but to focus to get through that moment because it is so hard versus like when you're kind of cruising a little bit, you can wander and yeah, I don't know if that makes sense. but Yeah, I'm curious, Jess, are you the same? Like when it gets hard, you almost find it easier to focus or stay in there?
Running Experiences and Post-Pregnancy Challenges
00:08:29
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. um Yeah, it's difficult to kind of explain, but it's like, I guess it's like you're sort of putting your energy all into that section. and it's something that's pretty specific with trail running, I think, because like with road running, it's all, um especially in marathons, you don't really feel the fatigue until like the later part of the race. So it's like you're kind of cruising, cruising, cruising, and then you're feeling that fatigue whereas in trail you sort of go through like hard bits and easier bits and I think when you've got a bit more energy to sort of like worry about things that's like the easier more like flatter sections of the race rather than like the climbs or like the techie descents so yeah
00:09:11
Speaker
Yeah, I guess. Yeah, no, I was, I was going to say, I don't think I, i don't think i I felt that, but listen to you speak then I'm like, you know, i think I agree, especially when you are just looking up and right, right. I've got one job right now and it's up.
00:09:23
Speaker
Um, yeah, essentially coming back from pregnancy, how, like, how was that journey for you? du Um, yeah, look, it was really interesting. um I, yeah, there's not too much, like, I guess everyone's pregnancy journey is very different. And so therefore, like, you know, all of the evidence, all the suggestion research out there around it is is hard um to follow because you're kind of like balancing things.
00:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, I guess because it's just so broad. i yeah, I worked closely with a, like a pelvic floor fest physio. um And that was helpful, except I don't think that this particular physio that I saw had the experience with like, um with like an elite runner.
00:10:13
Speaker
And so the recommendation she gave me was felt very general and very like, just the broad guidelines, but I knew it was possible for other stuff. But I also, you know, I didn't know, so i wanted to be safe. And so,
00:10:26
Speaker
I kind of went broadly on the guidelines, but also trusted, just trusted that i knew with my professional background and myself and my, um and my you know, 10 plus years of um training that I knew my body and I knew what to listen to and when to push and to when to pull back.
00:10:45
Speaker
So um yeah, that I guess it was ah fun, creative way of um figuring out how to rebuild back. i I did a lot of I mean, the the one of the things that shocked me the most about pregnancy was just literally how how lack of a core you have. You come out um with, yeah, like you just feel empty and that is crazy. I remember the guidelines saying, you know, like on your third day, like stand for 10 minutes. I'm like, I'm not standing for 10 minutes. Like I'm going to be walking for more than 10 minutes for sure. But then when day three came, I was like, no, I'm literally just, that was hard enough to walk from like the hospital to the car.
00:11:25
Speaker
But yeah, that feels like a lifetime ago now. um And then just building back up there, I did a lot of, yeah, prioritized strength training, core, like Pilates and your deep core and your pelvic floor and trying to get that to rewire together and then um strength and cross training. So, yeah I've got a bike and ah and a literal cross trainer here and those have been really good just to build back up the base.
00:11:51
Speaker
And so, yeah, I didn't i started running at about 10 weeks. um Postpartum, i the guidelines do say 12 weeks, but i felt ready.
00:12:03
Speaker
And I started with lots of um like actually like uphill, um like uphill running because it's less vertical force um and, you know, walking and walking down. And I also did lots of hiking and um all that sort of stuff in that time. And so I guess like it's a progressive build from there in terms of duration and then started with a bit of, yeah, run, walk and then,
00:12:28
Speaker
yeah, up to sort of 5Ks and then, yeah, building from there and adding in speed and hills. And now I feel like it's just sort of regular program but still like I still have got more to go but like it sort of a solid, like you feel like I feel like I'm a ah a training training, like it I'm a runner.
00:12:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. likegie you At a point where you're not really thinking about the fact that you're post-pregnancy, you're just kind of rebuilding your training.
00:12:58
Speaker
Um, yes and no. Yes. In that. Yeah, i I do just feel like I'm building my training, but no, in the respect of, um, I, I definitely feel still feel lots of pregnancy related things like in my body, like, um,
00:13:15
Speaker
that ah like might be the weak point in a, in a session. Like, so for example, if I'm running, doing a speed session or running, trying to run fast, I feel like I open a lot like up, like my ribs kind of flare and my, open up my abdomen and I feel like um my, yeah, my core is not like holding me in. And so then I'm losing like force in other ways.
00:13:37
Speaker
Um, and my, and I always in the back of my head, my my ankles and the relaxant still going through my body from breastfeeding. Um, and my ankles have always been a bit, I've had a few injuries on them, so I'm always a bit cautious. So like, yeah, the descending and technical stuff, I feel quite like, um, I'm definitely holding back a lot more than I used to.
00:14:01
Speaker
Every time I hear, like I listen to someone speak about either if they're in the post-pregnancy journey or or like a mom that's gone through it, is it's like just so much more respect for, it just opens my eyes to like actually how much, not like necessarily damage, but just change your body goes through and just keeps going through that.
00:14:18
Speaker
I think as a male, we're probably a little bit belligerent to, um, especially growing up. So yeah, no, it's, it's fast. fascinating. it's fascinating And your, your, lot your week leading into rollercoaster, what, what did that look for you?
00:14:33
Speaker
Um, the week leading into rollercoaster was relatively cruisy. Like it was a bit of a taper, um, like just sort of easy, um, like a few short, easy runs, like the, what day was it?
00:14:45
Speaker
Saturday. So, um, yeah, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday were just all easy runs. I think I did a little bit of a session on Tuesday, not long or hard, just, um, I think like a short, like a sharpening type session, bit of a tempo and some hill, hill, um, repeats.
00:15:03
Speaker
Um, and yeah monday's usually a rest day so it was yeah it was a nice light week for me yeah lovely cool i think we'll when we get into the results i'll ask you for a recap of the actual race and how what how it went then but jess we'll come on to you you say welcome welcome back how how has like well how was worlds and then how has holiday life been ah since um Yeah, Worlds was
Jess's International Racing Adventures
00:15:28
Speaker
fun. It was a pretty crazy experience. um Yeah, I'm sure like the listeners have heard a lot from Vlad and Nathan Fraser. But yeah, it's just crazy. Like I've never um been in a race with that much depth before. So I think like the coolest thing was just being surrounded by um so many other women that were just amazing and just seeing how much talent there is around the world. It's super crazy. and
00:15:55
Speaker
Yeah, like, yeah, the course that I did was insane. it was just totally out of my wheelhouse. So I was pretty happy to like hold it together mentally.
00:16:08
Speaker
um i went through like a couple of rough patches with... nausea and like stomach issues and like pushed through that and made it to the finish and I was finishing pretty strong like overtaking some people at the end so I was happy overall like um first race in Europe um and ah yeah I think there was like a lot of learnings um like we started at the very back of the field because we just let ourselves get pushed around so that I think that affected our race quite a lot because we had to um kind of like overtake people on that first climb, which is all single track.
00:16:45
Speaker
um So I think that, ah yeah, I think it does like affect where you are in the field if you're starting that far back. um And yeah just little things like I think – um I still have a bit of work to do with like ankle strength and things. um Just noticed that those were the first things to go with like the uneven terrain for seven hours, which is probably always going to go. But I think, yeah, definitely could get stronger in those areas. um
00:17:16
Speaker
But yeah, overall, like it's just an incredible part of the world. Like it's so beautiful. um i wish I had more time to like look at it because I wasn't looking very much while I was racing, but i did like go out and cheer the next day for the long course and um the mountain classic and the under 20s.
00:17:35
Speaker
um So I got to see like little bits of it and it's just insane. Like so beautiful. Yeah. yeah Nice. that That would be by far your longest run from a time perspective.
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I think Hounslow was the second longest, which was like six hours. So yes, it was a fair bit longer. um How like Hounslow is a pretty technical run, at least like slow terrain for what we've got over here. How do the two courses like compare?
00:18:05
Speaker
Like Hounslow doesn't even seem technical now to me. That's great. Apart from that little bit, maybe like, i don't know, like that little bit where you're kind of like rock scrambling, but imagine that for like most of the race kind thing. Wow. Having done it, is it something that you're curious to get better at technical running to do those sort of races or you're kind of like, that was cool. it was an experience, but I like running more.
00:18:36
Speaker
Um, oh, I love hard things. Like, I don't think I'm very good at it, but like, I do enjoy like putting myself into like tricky things.
00:18:46
Speaker
Um, so I enjoy like learning, but I think like, if I want to focus on like performing well, I probably have to pick races that are more suited to my strengths. Um, but in saying that, like, um, I also like want to do races that I want to do. So I'll probably continue to just like,
00:19:03
Speaker
pick and choose different ones that I'm interested in and ones that I think would be fun yeah does is is it make you think about any races over here as ones you maybe wouldn't have targeted but now you're like oh I can do that Yeah, like it's funny, like SJ and I were talking about Wandi Cross.
00:19:21
Speaker
After we were like, it's not even that crazy because we did that as like a training run before Worlds and we were like, that was so crazy. And now I'm just like, wasn't that bad. um So, yeah, maybe Wandi Cross.
00:19:34
Speaker
Give that a go. I would love the idea of 1D Cross feeling like not that bad. really and would be a pretty nice place to place to be in. um And what's what were you guys, like where were you post-race? It seemed like you were on the beach a lot.
00:19:51
Speaker
Yeah, i was trying to prioritise beach time. Just now that I'm in Canberra, I don't get too much of that. so um most of the time we' we're in Portugal, we got a car and just like drove around to different places.
00:20:04
Speaker
um the azor We went to the Azores, which is like an island right in the middle of the ocean, um like two and a half hours flight from Lisbon, um which was amazing. It was kind of like Hawaii, like everything was...
00:20:17
Speaker
super green and it's like a volcanic island so there was all these like hot springs um and i did a really cool run that was like around a um volcanic crater rim so you had like views of this beautiful lake the whole way was really cool that sounds like well when do you because you were going to be running when when bro and i did the preview we weren't sure about if you're going to be running at roller coaster or and you messaged afterwards to say that your flight had been delayed but so your your intention was to run roller coaster Um, I just put it down as like an option. Like I really want to run that one year.
00:20:53
Speaker
Um, and it was just an option if I was keen, um, when I got back, but yeah, I don't think that would have worked just like how tired I was when I got back. It probably wasn't a smart idea and in hindsight.
00:21:06
Speaker
Yeah. Our question this week is actually on jet lag and managing, getting back on that time zone. But I know coming this way there, if I had a ah race within probably two or three weeks, just not, no chance. I know some people can do it.
00:21:21
Speaker
Um, we just heard Fraser talking about that jet lag doesn't seem to affect him, which is, a gift I don't think many people get at least I've not met that many people that that can can do that but yeah it it would have definitely been definitely been tricky but so you but you got back on on the weekend that right Yeah, I think the jet lag for me was worse coming back for some reason. and I've heard a lot of people say that as well.
00:21:46
Speaker
um But what I did when I went over was um i took melatonin at like like two hours before I wanted to fall asleep for like the first two or three nights. Wow.
00:22:00
Speaker
um And that just helps your body get into that rhythm because melatonin is like the naturally produced chemical that makes you sleep. yeah um So it's not like a super harmful drug or anything. It's like.
00:22:13
Speaker
Yeah, it works pretty well. um It does make you feel sometimes like a bit groggy the next day, but it's kind of worth it to get your body into that rhythm of just falling asleep at the right time. Yeah, it doesn definitely. it's It's a very powerful drug in both the literal and figurative sense of the word and the words. But yeah, getting back on that, your time zone the fastest you can and kind of within within reason, anything you can do is pretty pretty pretty helpful but yeah we'll come to that in more detail and back into work and normal life were you training much on holiday or were you kind of just chill yeah I sort of said that I would take a break but then um I didn't really like I took a few days off and then I just like wanted to explore like running's just such a good way to see as much as you can and like we were only in
00:23:06
Speaker
um each spot for like a couple days so it was just i don't know there was some cool trails and like coastal trails are like just my favorite okay to run so um when i found a few of those i just had to run them It's like, it's one of the things i love about running, is like getting to see wherever you are from the perspective of the trails, especially when you're ah are on trails where you can't drive to wherever they get to. And you can really just explore, see what the nature is like and and the topography of the area. It's pretty, yeah. It would be hard to be on holiday for me, even if it's post-race and not, not try and explore a bit. did Do you find the recovery was a bit harder given the style of race?
00:23:52
Speaker
No, actually find the opposite with these sort technical races. um And it was the same after Asia Pacific Trail actually where I think it's probably because I'm so inexperienced at technical running that – I'm not like physically exerting myself as hard as I could. So after I don't feel as sore as I would in like a race where I'm actually kind of pushing myself for the whole six or seven hours, um if that makes sense.
00:24:25
Speaker
Cause like a lot of the race, you just kind of like, rock scrambling where you're not really like trying to move as fast as you can you're just trying to like survive so like mentally it was definitely draining and like I was definitely sore in my ankles and calves mostly um but everywhere else like quads and everything were pretty fine um i also think i'm like well conditioned by now like i've done quite a few um races with like uh big descents and i get to do a lot of um state descents and stuff in my training so i think that would have helped with the conditioning yeah 100 it's in invaluable but yeah it's it's we
00:25:09
Speaker
It's an interesting question because like when you're on the train, you obviously not running as smoothly as you normally would taking different size steps, being on the brakes more like whether that could cause more damage or just the simple fact that you can't move as fast. So yeah, but, and you say and and what's like, do you have anything
Coaching Challenges and Adaptations
00:25:26
Speaker
planned now? are you feeling like enthused to get back into training?
00:25:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. think I want to do one more race before the end of the year. um So I've got some ideas. i just am in a tricky spot at the moment because I um don't really have a coach.
00:25:42
Speaker
So yeah, my coach had to to leave my coach just because he got a new job. Um, and he's not allowed to coach, um, people with like that are representing other brands.
00:25:58
Speaker
Um, yeah, so I just. I know I'm like, I'm probably fine to like, just look after myself for a bit, but like, it's just the decision making around races that I find a bit tricky.
00:26:11
Speaker
Yeah. So we'll see. So I was on a, um, a coaching course yesterday in Melbourne and it was with, um, Justin Rinaldi, like he's 800 meter coach, but.
00:26:24
Speaker
He was talking about the the challenge of at the moment he doesn't have a brand that sponsors his team and his team is 10 guys and some of them are amateurs, some of them are professionals like Peter Bowles, one of his his athletes. And so they will have like different brand sponsorships and he's kind of he's like at this conundrum where he could take money from a brand to support his team and support the guys that don't have sponsorships yeah but that could mean that people he currently coaches or people that might want to come to him to coach can't come to him because he's stuck with Puma or ASICS or whoever it is and it's until until he kind of laid out I hadn't really thought about the impact that that could make and yeah clearly that that's really because you were with your coach for quite a while weren't you
00:27:09
Speaker
Yeah, um since I was like 21, sort of on and off. Yeah, it's a bit sad, but. Yeah, that's really hard. yeah yeah Yeah, it's going to be hard. Like it's always, I find it's um it takes a while to get used to different things coaching styles and stuff but I feel like I'm in a good position now where um I'm not like the silly athlete that I used to be where I would just throw myself into doing too much so I think I'm a bit more sensible now that like for the interim I can make some pretty good decisions until I find someone else to work with
00:27:47
Speaker
yeah yeah no it's a good a good place to be and like you said and you've got that experience you know what to do it'd be very different if you were 22 year old jess who's yeah yeah just just just lost their lost their coach cool well i'm excited to hear whatever that race is going to be once you have have
James's Recovery Journey
00:28:04
Speaker
chosen it um i'm not gonna not gonna push you because i feel like it's nice to it's nice to be able to make make decisions without being forced on the podcast but yeah i'm I'm excited. i'm i'm assuming it's I'm assuming you're going to choose one of the competitive ones. So there's only a few tiny few to really choose for the rest of the year. but Yeah, you can probably guess.
00:28:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. ah I don't know. there's there's There's a couple of options there. But I know I have seen your name on a start list. Yeah. So, which is publicly, it's not just me. But cool.
00:28:34
Speaker
All righty. I'll go through my... give us your update. Yeah, so my my my training update from my side is really interesting from listening to it, probably not as much because it's just still been a lot of gym work.
00:28:49
Speaker
um I'm currently, this is the 12th week of my complete offloading. So this morning went for The episode last time we didn't do and MRI at the end of the process.
00:29:03
Speaker
Typically, from what I know, wouldn't do for a femoral shaft, but because we know that I've now i've got osteopenia and there's some genetic like hereditary and genetic stuff issues, we want to be like 100% sure that I'm in the clear. So went for that today, which feels like a big ah big step. And i think, can't remember what episode I was on last, but ah being on the bike, going on the gravel, which essentially, the first time i had this like the start of the year i was really anti being on the bike because i wanted to run whereas now it's kind of it's my way to get out and explore an adventure and so it's been really fun i suck i was on some single tracks today and it feels chaotic but it's fun to it's just yeah it's just just good good to be out there good to see my heart rate going above 100 again um and it does it does start to feel like
00:29:55
Speaker
there's ah light a bit at the end of the tunnel. It would be very nice. I've got cool with my my my sports Cairo on Friday and I'm really hoping he says we can start the return to run a week today.
00:30:08
Speaker
um But in the same sense, if it's longer, it's longer. I feel like once I've tallied it up and I haven't, I won't have run for 25 or 26 weeks of this year so far, which sort of kind of what's another week or two, if that's what my body needs.
00:30:26
Speaker
Um, it's yeah, it's been like, it's been a fascinating process to go through, especially going through it twice when you don't expect it. Like you think you're, you're thinking you're all in the clear kind of doing everything right. Definitely got a bit carried away on holiday, which speaking to what you said, Jess, like it's, it's hard when,
00:30:40
Speaker
you want to go and explore and and I think it was more it was more the hiking and then it could have been the like four hours of dancing at a wedding at the end of all that that might have done it that's what Siobhan thinks at least just the incessant not I'm not typically on the dance floor but for some reason I was really in that mood um are you writing your own um like strength program for yourself like for it So not at the moment, I'm using, so Luke and Nelson, who's looking after me, he's ah but strength, like as part of his being at Cairo, it kind of like calling him a Cairo feels like a disservice. He's sort of,
00:31:17
Speaker
gone into all these different avenues. Like I'm pretty sure his specialty is actually working with tendons, um ironically, but he is also a running coach, also an S&C coach. And so he did my strength, which is good because I would definitely not have given myself this stuff, but also I'm not a rehab specialist for my strength training background. So having somebody that knows exactly what my body needs has been really helpful.
00:31:43
Speaker
um There's had been a few things that I've, a few things I've tweaked this time from the program he gave me the last time that I feel has built confidence in my leg a bit more. The first time when I went to go do a single leg extension.
00:31:55
Speaker
I know this sounds completely irrational, but I genuinely was scared my leg was going to snap in half. That's how it felt because I just had no trust that the bone was healing and my leg could apparently hold itself together. Whereas this time i've felt like Yeah, I've been able to push a bit more, which has made the leg feel a lot stronger at this same point. So we we will see. And um yeah, I think i think going forward,
00:32:19
Speaker
going forward for the short like short interim i'll ask luke to keep doing that just so that because he knows what my body's going to need the best to kind of build it back um historically i've always done my own strength and i've always been pretty good at sticking with it my run side of things i definitely need a coach at the strength side i feel a bit more comfortable following my own guidance with that but yeah here i'll definitely i'll definitely keep keep using luke as long as he's happy to keep writing the program
00:32:50
Speaker
which think he, he should be. Um, but especially if you're paying him yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's, uh, yeah, it's, He's a bit, yeah, he he does he does a lot and he's very good at what he does. um But i'm even even paying even when I'm paying someone, I still struggle to like ask for help sometimes. So yeah that's what i need to do.
00:33:12
Speaker
um But no, otherwise my, yeah, hopefully the next time i come on a main show, which I think I'll be on for the next few weeks, um we'll be able to say that, yes, I've done a run, which will be very, very welcome.
00:33:26
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. So we're getting there. That's kind of my, my main training update. I was down at roller coaster on the weekend, which was great fun as we'll talk about. it some really, really good results from personally, from my athlete side, but also just from the the racing side. And it's just so cool to see the competitive fields and that depth that we're not necessarily getting as much. Like I was talking to, um Sophie Broome and like at the race and a bit today, was actually apologizing for downplaying the quality of her season, not intending to, but
00:34:00
Speaker
um i guess it's so what i said to her is when you have now got especially i think in the women's fields you're getting like a top five that's really strong and you're coming second or third it can be easy to miss how good of a performance that still is just because it's not first whereas potentially few years ago that performance really would have been first and you would personally but out out from the outside reflect so differently on it so yeah it's just been been very cool to see big weekend kind of going to melbourne for rotor coaster and then this course but yeah good fun sorry you're getting a few little gurgles there from aurora i don't know if they get picked up but know that is all all all part all part of it absolutely fine with us uh cool all righty
00:34:47
Speaker
We'll move on to some results because I want to, but there's quite a few to go through and want to spend a bit of time because there's quite some really interesting stuff happening at the moment. i reckon
Rollercoaster Race Highlights
00:34:56
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lu if you're if you're good to,
00:34:59
Speaker
have a little chat on rollercoaster now. So I'll start with the women's 23K so that that you can have a chat about your race. In that one, we had Demi Caldwell took the win an hour 55.30, which was just off Kate's course record. So think about 35 seconds behind Kate's course record.
00:35:16
Speaker
Sophie came second in 1.56.58, which is about three minutes off like improvement from her time last year. And then Sarah Ludovici came in 1.59.09, which...
00:35:27
Speaker
Yeah, very, very close rating. If you saw last year as well, I think it was 154, 156, 157, 158, 159, which is yeah great to see. But Ludo, can you kind of take us through what that run looked like for you?
00:35:42
Speaker
yeah um Yeah, it was nice and quick off the start, but and I actually sat back quite a bit there. um Well, I didn't sit back, but everyone else but want um i think it was of fun.
00:35:57
Speaker
I think there was like five or so girls at that point that were in a pack right in front of me, and I could see them for like most of it, but I was like, oh, I'm just going to take a cruisy. um I was standing next to Nathan at the start line, and he said,
00:36:11
Speaker
you know, just get to that first climb and then and then start to go hard. So I was like, yep, I'm just going to hold on to that, like get to that first climb and then and then we'll see how I'm going. Yeah, I just sort of ran my own race and could see a lot of them in front. um i I can't remember all of them. I don't know all of their names, but yeah, I think it was like fear four girls I could see in front. And then, yeah, it was that first climb actually. um i just started like,
00:36:39
Speaker
You know, I just put my head down and kind of like just focused on my steps and kept up a really strong rhythm. um I did listen to the podcast you guys did beforehand and Brody was like, yeah, you can run it all. Well, I did not run it. um hadn't thought like maybe I can because – but when I got there, i was like, no, i'm I'm actually a pretty good hiker. Like I can – Sometimes I do training runs with people and I can hike as fast as they can run. So i i always opt for the hike.
00:37:05
Speaker
And I think I like a hike as a bit of a mentaltor a mental break as well. um And, you know, physically just using different muscles. um But anyway, so I powered through – um like I overtook one girl there and then I think I closed the gap with the next one.
00:37:22
Speaker
And then I think maybe was a little bit later, she looked back and saw me and then she just legged it like down the hill. think she ended up actually overtaking Sophie and Demi. I'm not sure, but I think she got in front of them on that that first like long descent.
00:37:35
Speaker
um But yeah, then I could sort of see Demi and Sophie for like, yeah, probably the first half, um like just ahead. And then... um I was back and forth with this this guy who turns out is coached by Sim because um he mentioned that. And um we got into a really like really good rhythm together at, um look, I have no idea to the distance, but I think it was like half to three quarters through.
00:38:03
Speaker
And we were kind of running together for lots of that. And um i basically, yeah we I then saw that one of the other girls coming up. So she would have been third.
00:38:17
Speaker
um And I sort of said to him, like, I know I said I wasn't competitive before, but like, we've got reel that girl in. And so um ah like, you know, we just like ran together and we kind of, yeah, had a good cadence. and It was like undulating at that point. And we kind of had some really like smooth,
00:38:34
Speaker
momentous, like, um, up like over those runnable Hills. Um, you know, when you can just keep the pace and it's slowly starting to get to like too long that you're going to have to slow down, but then you'd like, you get over the crest of the Hill and you're like, yes, we, we rode that. And, um,
00:38:51
Speaker
Yeah, and then it was, I knew, yeah, the long undulating climb up. I just, yeah, just got into a really good rhythm there and I ex it actually ended up um like moving away from him at that point. um And, yeah, and that was about the time I overtook her at the bottom of that kind of long climb up and, yeah, just sort of kept going and,
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, it was great. It was definitely a trail that doesn't play to any of my strengths in terms of um being very runnable, not technical and um and fast, like it just being a short, fast race. So, yeah, I was i was very stoked to... um like I was really stoked with the run and it was a big confidence boost for me. um I didn't have any idea like whether my fast now is going to be 20 minutes slower than the fastest or um close. So yeah we definitely really happy with how it all went and just had a really –
00:39:52
Speaker
good day out and felt like, as I was saying earlier in the podcast, that sort of like mental, like going in and mentally feeling a bit like, ah, at the start, but then like just getting into the flow and getting into the rhythm and just like being able to yeah, sit there. And that's, i don't know that that's why you run, right? Those lovely, lovely moments of flow.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. so this is something that thought about in the past and this I'm kind of from the male's perspective. How, how helpful is it to have the guys around you in a race? And i does it, does does it change at the start versus towards the end?
00:40:34
Speaker
um I've shared lots of really great runs with, um yeah, awesome um runners. And I think, ah yeah, I like it because – I usually they go out really fast and then you reel them in and and that's a real confidence boost, you know, that you're like moving through like the broader field.
00:40:54
Speaker
yeah um So yeah, that always is a confidence boost. But um yeah, I mean, he, this particular guy that I ran with was really lovely. Like I had to stop and feel up at the aid station and he waited for me. And, um you know, I think we got a lot out of running together because at times he like, cause he kind of walk walked, walked,
00:41:15
Speaker
Like he would run faster, but then walk. Whereas I just had a kind of had a consistent pace. yeah um And so, yeah, he sort of was like, oh, can I just like lock into your pace? I'm like, absolutely. And, but then like that, when we we were there, we like, we built together. So that was really nice.
00:41:32
Speaker
Yeah. Jess, what about you? Do you like that sort of experience? When you're running with someone? Yeah. Like specifically guys. ah no i don't think i do i mean it depends like i don't know just i guess there's been times where like they're just i don't know either like grunting or like sweating really heavily you just kind of like oh those poor guys no um trying to do their thing just they're sweating away and jess just pitter-pattering not sweating not grunting
00:42:11
Speaker
No grunts or anything. Maybe you should start gru grunting. Maybe. um Yeah, no, I think I get a little bit like, especially on the descents, if someone's right behind me, I get a bit like, it makes me feel a bit more anxious because I feel like I need to go faster than what I feel i want to.
00:42:32
Speaker
um So I don't know, maybe that's just my weakness, but ah I definitely like No, definitely, that definitely happens. I think it it does depend. Like I often say if I feel like there's people right behind me, I'm like, let me know when you want to pass, like and I'll step to the side kind of thing.
00:42:49
Speaker
But sometimes I'll just say like, oh, no, I'm happy to sit here. And then you're like, oh, okay. But it does push you which can sometimes not be at the right time, but other times it it can be the very thing that you need. Like, yeah.
00:43:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that would be, like, in my head, guys guys running at your pace are not as good runners, if that makes sense. Like, the the equivalent male should be further ahead to work to where you guys are. Like, they're at the front of the field, not...
00:43:18
Speaker
wherever you are overall. And I can just see that like they're being annoying. Even like you said, Luda, like the guy running a bit faster having to walk and faster than the walk just clearly hasn't quite got his intensity control or like knows his body as well as you do for like what you can sustain for that climb and what's fastest for you.
00:43:33
Speaker
yeah Yeah. But I still think they're good runners. Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. but Yeah, no, I didn't intend that they were but were bad runners, but in the sense that like, they're not the They're not the top of No, no, because, like yeah, the equivalent to you guys are Nath and Toby. and Yeah, so, all right, moving on before I put my foot in it any anymore.
00:43:52
Speaker
um In the the men's race, and this was a great one to to to watch, especially coming through the finish because these guys were both on the straight at the same time. ah Nath Pearce, he took out the win and so this is his fourth podium match.
00:44:06
Speaker
fourth podium in four years, three wins. only person to beat him was Seth last year, which is pretty fair enough. um Toby Sparks, 138.19, so four seconds back. And then Thomas Banks, 139.57. So really, really close race.
00:44:25
Speaker
Toby's one I'm really excited about for the future i had a quite a long chat with him at the end and I feel like he's he's got the evidence now that he's good and that's allowing him to put himself in the race and going like, no, I'm going to try and stick with Nath. Like I can potentially beat him.
00:44:43
Speaker
So that's, yeah, I feel like that's pretty powerful knowledge to have. But I also, if you have 200 meters of, or 300 meters or so of uphill finish and you're against Nathan Pierce, I really would not want to be there.
00:44:57
Speaker
It's just going to hurt. in my mind. um Then 46, so neither of those were were course records in the 46 in the women's, Lucy Bartholomew just destroyed it.
00:45:12
Speaker
Like we were saying in the preview that we kind of thought 410 to 415 could be possible and she ran 411.29, which is 22 minutes off Siobhan's course record. two minutes off shibron's old course record So, Sarah Leavitt had a really great run. i know she was pushing all the way. She had Siobhan's splits on like in in her head and I think she missed by a couple of seconds. She ran 4.33.59. And then Jade Bucklow, last year's winner, ran 4.51.30. didn't chat to Jade afterwards, but that is about 15 minutes off what she ran last year. So,
00:45:44
Speaker
you never know what it turns up in the day, but yeah, Lucy, Lucy ran. And, and one of the reasons why the running with the guys is on my mind, cause Lucy ran essentially that entire race with Tom Dade, um, which I know Tom massively enjoyed and see, it was like trying to make sure he wasn't,
00:46:00
Speaker
annoying or in her way or anything like that. But apparently they were just chatting along. like Lucy was pushing hard, but um it was ah just kind of front front of mind. But she she reached for his hand to cross the finish line together. So clearly didn't want to that's cool tell him off for sweating and grunting.
00:46:16
Speaker
um And then in in the men's field, again, Mike Carroll, 3.34.29. Josh Godding, 3.55.56. And Hayden Barnett, 3.56.44. For those that listened to the preview, you might remember we talking about James Barnett's course record, which was 4.01.
00:46:36
Speaker
So Mike's just casually gone 27 minutes underneath that. There was also the kind of the old course course records, which was held by Matt Dore at 3.43.
00:46:47
Speaker
So Mike's just completely... walked away with it um well walked away ran ah ran very fast away from it but yeah great race and Josh is another one that I definitely need to apologize because I completely ripped him off after struggling with injury through and DNFing through Surf Coast I didn't think he was going to be able to compete in this field but um he did very well and was faster I think he ran 403 or something like that last year so went eight seven eight minutes quicker um just and unfortunately had Mike Carroll on there it You guys are obviously both ASICs, so this is pretty irrelevant conversation for you, but I think it's important for people listening.
00:47:24
Speaker
The other person
Race Equipment and Stability
00:47:25
Speaker
that was in the men's field, Tyler Windham, who I picked to win, he unfortunately rolled his ankle really, really badly, came through the end of the first lap and it it was it looked excruciating. it was I was incredibly surprised that he went he went back out, but he only made it about 500 meters before coming back in.
00:47:43
Speaker
a He was, um he was wearing the Adidas Agrovik speed ultras, the Adidas is super shoe. And i feel like if you listen to the swap podcast with David and Megan Rose last year, David was like hounding how good this shoe was.
00:47:58
Speaker
All I've seen the shoe do is wreck people's ankles. Um, so it is good reminder that like your shoe choice really does matter. And just because the shoes like the fastest on paper,
00:48:09
Speaker
it doesn't necessarily meet the demands of that trail or your foot strike like if you're really toe-y or an incredibly efficient runner great shoe because it you can get the best out of it but probably for 99 of the runners 95 i think it's something that if you listen to this and you use it like i have the shoe i think it's great it's fast but the second it gets slightly uneven or steep and you start going backwards there's Like nothing in the middle, but yeah. yeah You would have thought if any any race was going to suit that shoe, it would have been roller coaster.
00:48:39
Speaker
Yeah. If it doesn't suit there, what race would it suit? So i I use it at two bays this year and I would say that's pretty much perfect for it where you're on the road a lot because it's a really nice road shoe. Like if you had flat gravel, beautiful. And and and I'm like, there's much better runners than me.
00:48:57
Speaker
They can probably use it for it for a lot more, but know I saw... There are a few of the ASIC shoes out there, which personally I also find quite unstable. um the The On Cloud Ultra Pro On's new shoe, there are a lot of people wearing that. And I think for the majority of people, that's a really good good option, a lot more more stable.
00:49:14
Speaker
um The Hocker Tecton is obviously pretty pretty good and well-known, but it's just ah it's just an interesting thing where you see people using them. i seen this at so many other events where people have been in that shoe I'm and and i think what i'd have created is incredible i think it was a great shoe and a massive turn point for them but a of people wearing it who i have seen just wreck their ankles um and yeah so i've seen it in coaching as well people that have gone to that shoe and it just really not not worked for them so just uh not saying that that shoe is to blame for tyler for tyler's role you can just do a misstep it can happen to anyone in any pair of shoes but i thought it's the thing to note to yeah think about what you're wearing and if is it the best thing for you on that course not just the fastest thing um
00:49:56
Speaker
And keep up your ankle strength. Yes. yes yeah but Well, in fact, for someone that might be listening, Ludo, what would you say is like the important stuff to do for your ankle strength?
00:50:09
Speaker
Oh, ah gosh. um Look, i I mean, lots of i think general general foot health stuff is really important. um And I know that we often are in, yeah, shoes that aren't that don't have wide toe boxes. And there are obviously shoes that do.
00:50:23
Speaker
But for most most people, I think, are in ones that are are not. But I think, you know, because it's not just your your ankle. um It's like, yeah, it's your foot as well. So um i always would...
00:50:35
Speaker
suggest doing like toe, I don't even know how I would describe it, like but just like toe, like expand your toes out to the side. Like once you've worn them in a closed shoe, like you just take them out to the side, um like widen them as far as you can. um And then there's heaps of little toe ones you can do, but um I guess like good ways of of um challenging the ankle stability as well would I mean, yeah, simply calf raises are really important, but I also like to combine um lots of like in my plyometrics, like lateral actualal movements.
00:51:10
Speaker
um So that might be like a um like up and down off a small box or side to side hops as you're going forward and having ones where you're not, like having ones where you use momentum, but also ones where you have to stick and control the landing. Yeah. um But...
00:51:29
Speaker
Yeah, and then obviously getting out on ah on ah on a technical trail is is also really important and and building that up over time. Yeah. Cool. I'm sure that would helpful. I think it's it's something that is is easily overlooked, but, yeah, can can really change the the course of your race if you do get it right.
00:51:48
Speaker
So
Race Results and Endurance Challenges
00:51:49
Speaker
we've also, locally in Australia, Black Hole 100 on. was on The kind of marquee ones in here, so that the 50K doubled up as the Queensland ultra running championships for the 50K distance.
00:52:05
Speaker
So in that one, I'm just getting the results up here. So in first place was Jordan Ryan for the men's second, Liam McLeod. therans And then third, Jamie Casciaro. I know that Liam won the hundred last year and had a really good post basically saying that he did everything he could and couldn't keep up with Jordan. So Jordan ran 415, Liam 418 and Jamie 423.
00:52:31
Speaker
And then in the women's Zoe Manning backed up. So she did, she won the surf coast 100. or maybe a month ago now, for four or five weeks. She took out the win in 4.52.47. Buhar Bali was second in 5.14.38.
00:52:44
Speaker
bha bali was second five fourteen thirty eight and then third was sell in sharera in five twenty thirty four so very impressive run for zoee um had someone up on course that i had a quick chat to today and they just said like it was, was hot.
00:53:00
Speaker
Obviously it's kind of this time of the year, year up there. And, and that really did cause a lot of attrition, especially in, in the hundred K distance. So yeah, being able to actually stick it and put it together was, was pretty, pretty challenging up there.
00:53:12
Speaker
Talking about sticking it, Quinton Gill ran 9 hours 57.05 for the win in the men's. David Russell, second 10.21.56 Sam Dermody, 10.39.29. and sam drmody ten thirty nine twenty nine This is apparently a new course for this year, even though Blackwell's been around for quite a long time. So there's no kind of course records to go for, but we can pretty much assume that anytime you're running a sub 10 hour, hundred k especially on the sort of the trails up there, that's a very, very impressive time from Quinton.
00:53:46
Speaker
And then the females, Dominic Ryan, 11.54.13 for first, Sarah Wiley, 12.43.37 and Megan 12.48.37.
00:53:53
Speaker
and megan brown twelve forty eight oh for Apparently that was Sarah's first ultra, not just 100K, but like anything over a marathon distance. And she's coming away with second, beating Megan Brown, which is very impressive. And yeah, Dominique had an incredible run, but still she's less than an hour off the back of her.
00:54:12
Speaker
Luda, have you raced any of those women? oh I don't I think maybe Megan. Yeah. I don't Maybe at UTA one year, maybe.
00:54:26
Speaker
I feel like the, the Queensland like runners, there's a lot of very high quality up there, but just being Victorian, New South Wales bias, we can often kind of miss how well they're running.
00:54:39
Speaker
Um, so I have actually, sorry, Kenyani, I raced her at Kenyani. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I i definitely, like I know her really well. I just like, I couldn't think of it, but yeah, Kenyani, I raced her. Yeah. Cool.
00:54:50
Speaker
Is, is Black Hole Event has ever piqued your interest? Yeah, i actually I lived in Brisbane for about a year um and I did the 50K there. So I've always wanted to go back and do the 100, but I haven't yet.
00:55:01
Speaker
But one day. what What are the trails like up there? um You're going into the the memory bank here. oh look, I did a lot of, yeah, living in Brisbane, I would do a lot of like, yeah, Mount Coother and around there and then also head down to the Gold Coast a lot and do races. Yeah.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, Noose is beautiful and um that's all I can remember. Cool. It's a cool setup. Like they I think they have like a full-on like camp village there and you kind of stay in like a dorm and they have like so is there it seemed like a really cool event. I definitely um would like to go up there again and do it.
00:55:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think that the the trail running kind of vibe up in Queensland, i was speaking to Jeff Russell, who's who's very big in that scene up there. And it sounds really cool. like They sound like they they're getting a lot of like state interest and really trying to make a lot of focus at at the Queensland Trail Series. He's telling me about some stuff they've got in the works for next year that sound really exciting and make you...
00:56:06
Speaker
really want to move in and, and ah Brisbane trail ultra doesn't look like it's coming back next year. And so i kind of was wondering if that was going to leave a hole in the Queensland trail running community, but it really does not sound like that.
00:56:17
Speaker
ah i've got a great It's a great community up there. Yeah. Everyone's so lovely. Yeah. Okay. Overseas, those are kind of the two main races here. So one that's currently going on, which this Backyard Ultra is is Big's Backyard Ultra, which is the World Championships.
00:56:37
Speaker
We have six earth five guys who are in here. Phil Gore, who's got the world record, Ryan Crawford, Jonathan Ash, James Blanton, and Dan Carmack.
00:56:52
Speaker
These guys are on lap 44. When I checked just before we started this, everyone, yep, everyone is still there. There's quite a few, like given that i think Phil Gore's record is 118 hours, 118 laps, yards. It's, yeah, they're on like a th third of the way maybe through this. So it's, yeah, it's gonna be really, really fascinating to see what happens. And I don't know if you you guys saw anything after Phil Gore set his record, but it was obviously in backyards. It's the number two person that's almost more important because they they dictate how far you can can go. And he looked so chilled.
00:57:31
Speaker
It genuinely looked like he'd done like a day, maybe at most. Didn't look tired, moving so well. So it's, Yeah, I'm curious to see with with the best in the world, see how far he can go and then how well Australia as a team can do. I'm not entirely sure how the scoring system all works there.
00:57:50
Speaker
But um one thing I did find interesting and I messaged one of the guys over here that's done a lot of backyards is that think there's five women in this field and they don't have a separate female stream.
00:58:02
Speaker
So it's just an open termship, which And apparently there's like, that's not looking like it's going to particularly change or anything. So it was just, just surprised me that there's still events where like there's not separate male, female. Yeah.
00:58:19
Speaker
Oh, look, ah there's a lot I could say about all of that stuff here, um you know, but I won't. but I'll just say that I was surprised like I lost, you know, I technically lost my job for being pregnant and that's, you know, 2025. So I'm surprised, but I'm also not surprised. there's a long way to go in terms of like um whatever whatever it is that we're we're working towards. But it's, yeah, it's definitely interesting.
00:58:45
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Yeah. Yeah. I, you were telling me a bit about that, which I definitely don't need to go and into here, but it's, it's a good reminder of like, we're not in this perfect world yet.
00:58:56
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There's a lot, a lot of stuff going on that we really, really wish was not, not still out there. Um, The other really impressive, well, a few things going on, but Holly Ranson, she came second at the World 24-Hour Championships.
00:59:11
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In doing so, she broke the old Australian record and also the old world record. Um, the old world record was 270.3 kilometers. She ran 273.058.
00:59:23
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two hundred and seventy three point zero five eight Sarah Webster from GB. She won in 277.559. So yeah, Holly was four and a half K behind her, but both of them, and actually the Japanese lady came third, I think was the old world record holder.
00:59:38
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She also broke the old world record, which 273 in hours is incredible. What pace is that? Oh God, put me on the spot.
00:59:50
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Fast. Fast. Let's go fast. um Yeah, it's, well, yeah, I'm not going to try to do that on the spot, but it's it's it's very, very impressive. I and saw on her socials, there was her going into a bin at the end, kind of saying never again, but you'd be putting your body to the absolute test, knowing that it's every little tenth of a meter essentially counts. So it's,
01:00:17
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Yeah, very, very impressive and well done to Holly. that's That's an incredible result. um Then we also have, I just saw that Billy Curtis, he ran ah mountain race that I'm sorry, I can't pronounce.
01:00:32
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um came third for 38 minutes with 6K, I think was a vertical race, 6K with 870 meters. His driver says that he kind of blew up, but he still came third in that one, which was very impressive.
01:00:44
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His partner, Abby, she took part in the Fully VK. So Fully is the one that's kind of known as like that's where all the course records get broke, or sorry, the world record for the VK, get broken. She she ran 43.24.
01:01:01
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twenty four um the Lara has national record at 40.18, but that's only Abby's third ever VK. And I think they've all been in this trip.
01:01:12
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So she's done a VK, a double VK. ah Yeah, so she she I was talking to Ian Best, who's very into this. She did ah VK and she won it beginning of October. She did a double VK and I'm pretty sure he said that she won it.
01:01:24
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And now she's come to fully, she, I have the results here. think she came 11th here, but like this is the, this is the world champ, well, because you have the uphill world championships, but this is like the VK championships essentially. So this is the best, the best of the best, which also saw,
01:01:43
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a lady called Axel take out a new world record. And she's now broken the course record, Ian said, on three different courses, which is unheard of. um so she is Which is interesting because she didn't do the world championships.
01:01:56
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um So I'm curious if you're the best uphill runner in the world, why not do the the uphill championships? but And then on the men's side, Ian was also in the race. I'm just going to get the men's up here.
01:02:13
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he and know he didn't have the day that he was hoping for. um he i yeah coffee fine is time here and rachel should' have written this one down um but he He set faster times in training, so he didn't didn't quite get it on the day but remy bonet ran twenty seven twenty one for a new world record.
01:02:34
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Um, I have a bit of a blurb from Ian, which I'm gonna kind of go through. Cause I think it's really interesting. Like there's within trail running, we have the backyard ultra format and going on right now where they're going for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kilometers. And now we have the, the VK format, which is,
01:02:50
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well, less than 5K and a thousand meters. But what Ian has said is that the old record was 28.53, set on fully. It has been unofficially broken by both Killian and Remy.
01:03:04
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Remy ran 28.29 this course. um But this is, yeah, this this is quite a significant improvement on on that time. um This one works so well because there's quite a few steps and that's to do with the angle that you hit hit the foot on, I suppose, and not being in this crazy um ankle range of motion that that just a steep steep course would have. but And the the lady that's taken the world record out um She, world record 34.44 set 2014. And then she 33 flat, 34.36, which was under that officially. And then now 32.52.
01:03:38
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So really, really stepped the of which
01:03:44
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thirty four thirty six which was under that old course record officially and then now thirty two fifty two so really really stepped up and the world of vk which just thought that we should give a little bit of a focus on giving that it's probably like we don't have an official VK in Australia, which is a shame. There are a couple places where you can do it. I know that Ian is trying hard to get one to come up. You can do Northwest Spur in coming out of Harrogville.
01:04:10
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You can do one. think KMR, you can fit one in as well. and I'm sure there's a couple of other places. I think of've how there's actually a couple maybe in Queensland um area that you might be able to do, but But yeah, so, but an incredible run by Abby specifically for that one, which is great to see a name that's new to me and that's Billy's partner. So it's very powerful couple right there.
01:04:32
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Cool. All righty, let's move on to a listener question. So Luda, I want to start with you for this one. As I said, this is already touching on on travel. So I'm just curious to see what what you you find works and what you would suggest to somebody. But um this is from Ali.
01:04:50
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He says that on your most recent episode, you touched on how hard traveling affects training. I love an episode with a deep dive on training post-travel. I've just returned from a quick 10-day Euro trip and the jet lag is real. I feel like I've never run before.
01:05:03
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Any tips, tricks and advice for recovery? Cheers.
01:05:08
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Oh, don't travel with a baby. yeah Oh, I don't think I have anything specific. I guess it would just I would just say like if you know that um jet lag affects you, then accounting that for your travel time. i think, yeah, flying um definitely takes it out of you even if it's like – i i I don't remember the numbers, but I even think like there's something out there saying that like the one hour change from daylight saving, like sets people back.
01:05:38
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Like, I don't know the numbers, so this is a bit redundant, but like it sets that but sets you back a while. So I think just account for added like fatigue, irrespective of whether you feel it or not, because it's there.
01:05:51
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Yeah. Jess, what about yourself? um Yeah, I think like similar, just anticipate that it's probably best to just take it easy for at least the first few days until you adjust. And then also sort of what I was going into before, like I use melatonin to just help um with the first few nights of getting your body clock um adjusted to like the new time so you can fall asleep um at a reasonable time.
01:06:22
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yeah Yeah, I completely agree and said said basically the same thing to Ali in the response back. I know from for myself flying, I always make sure we've got earplugs and a really good quality eye mask so that you can actually sleep on on the plane. I know that they say that you should try and get onto that time zone that you're going to land in, but I've...
01:06:43
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kind of found that just trying to get the most sleep you possibly can it doesn't matter when that is is going to be the best at the end of the day especially flying back over this way we've got evening flights from say the uk and you land two days later so you kind of miss an entire day and everything in there and so just trying to get as much sleep as possible staying hydrated ah think i'm pretty sure the cabins are pressurized to 2 000 meters so you're essentially at altitude for that whole period um And so like, yeah, making sure that you stay really, really hydrated during that. And then anything you can do to get back on the sleep schedule and get back into your circadian rhythm would be optimal. So getting, getting outside, seeing sunrise, see sunset, have a nap during the day if you feel like you're tired, but try and get back onto that normal wake sleep pattern.
01:07:33
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So.
01:07:35
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Cool. All right Coming up this weekend, there's Bondi to Manly Ultra a Great Ocean Trail Ultra, um Hasten Trail Ultra, and then Southeast Queensland Trail trail Series Pomona, which is round two.
01:07:51
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Ludo, what does
Future Races and Training Plans
01:07:52
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this week look like for you?
01:07:55
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ah This week I think it's yeah just ah nice and light and easy the first part of the week and then um including a bit of cross training and a workout later on in the week and then a nice long run on Sunday.
01:08:10
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yeah So doing about three hours on Sunday I believe. Nice. Straight show back into it. is a Yeah, I'm building towards COSI 50 now. I was going to do GPT 50, but it logistically is a bit too hard to get there because we don't have any leave for work and it's a long drive from here.
01:08:29
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So COSI is a nice and short one. So yeah, going to do the 50 there. So um yeah, just gearing towards that. Exciting.
01:08:40
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feel like after that runner rollercoaster, well, we'll probably be picking very favorably during the preview show. So it's good to see. where yeah anything brady as we unknown Obviously, cause like 20 K's I do in training, but um yeah, it's a much longer effort and yeah, it's questionable whether my backend endurance will be there, but willll I'll do everything I can to to be there.
01:09:06
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how How long have your long runs been prior to roller coaster? Have you had many? ah My longest run was about three hours. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Jess, what about yourself?
01:09:17
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What's up for this week? Yeah, just getting back into the swing of working full time and training. So fun week ahead. um Yeah, hopefully catch up with Luda on the weekend for a run um and coffee with the girls.
01:09:34
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Yeah, lovely. Sounds very good for myself. Just as I said, hopefully getting the all clear to to run, which will be nice. Ludo, thanks so much for, yeah, fair fingers crossed. Thanks much for coming on. It's been great to hear about what you've been up to the last nine months or so. And and again, well done on a very, very impressive run at rollercoaster.
01:09:58
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Thank you. Thanks for having me. Always happy to have a chat. Yeah, and wonderful. Jess, great to catch up as always. Thanks, James. Thanks, Andrew. We'll catch you next time.