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THE NOT A PUNDIT AWARDS - Underdogs, sh*thouses and 23/24 in review
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The Premier League season has wrapped up with a bang! 💥 We’re spilling all the tea, checking back in on our season predictions, and dishing out some Not A Pundit awards — including the controversial "Shithouse of the Year" award! 🏆 Plus, we dive into the wild managerial merry-go-round that's shaking up elite football. You won't want to miss this! 🎙️⚽️
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Transcript
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello,
Introduction & Season Overview
00:00:18
Speaker
hello, hello. It is the Not Upon The Podcast, but you already know that. My name is Killeen Ginnity and I'd like to be joined, as ever, by Conor Glennon and Nathan Byrne, gentlemen. How are we? It's seasons end.
00:00:31
Speaker
Well, all I care about is that the tune finished above Man United, so I can, for the rest of the summer, just hold that over Nate's head. How are you, Nathan? I'm delighted the season's over. Season from hell. Yeah, looking forward to the Euros, Champions League, Europa League finals. Yeah, still football to go, but hopefully on to newer things, better things.
00:00:57
Speaker
Well, what did we make of the kind of the petering out of the Premier League in the end? It ended up just kind of being inevitable rather than kind of like, it could have been so exciting at the final, like Premier League title came down to the final day. Three minutes. Three minutes is all it took for City to go ahead and does ruin all of our days. And as well as that, like, you know, I said in the water group, like,
00:01:26
Speaker
I don't know what it is, there's always just a bit more spice when there's, you know, a relegation tie also on the day, because you're kind of looking at one TV going, who's going down, who's staying up. Like when the bottom three are solidified before the final day and let's face it, the league was too, to a point. I really, really thought going into the Arsenal game, I kind of, I was guessing that everyone would get a draw out of it. And although they lost that game, I thought they put on a really good show for themselves and kind of caps off.
00:01:55
Speaker
great
Manchester United & Arsenal Season Review
00:01:56
Speaker
season for them, but yeah, it was all a bit meh, wasn't it? Yeah, like I was watching the Arsenal game, I don't know, half time, I just went shopping. Yeah. It was like, there was just no incentive to kind of keep watching. Nate, I'm sure you're watching the United game. How was Deserbe's going away?
00:02:17
Speaker
Oh yeah, we ruined it. It was great. Great for me anyway. Yeah, it was a bit of a slow game, but picked up towards the end with two goals. Razus Hoyl and scoring in multiple games now on the bounce, heading into the FA Cup final, man. So, you know.
00:02:34
Speaker
I'm hoping he continues his goals going forward, that's what I'm hoping for. But yeah, I think the last day sort of summed up this season a bit. I think the season's been a bit flat across the board. And I think the toilet race has really lived up to it at any stage, personally. Well, I think it did. And it didn't. And the fact that, you know, going into the season, I thought City wouldn't have a single challenger that could even push them as far as Arsenal did. But I think we'd all agree that
00:03:05
Speaker
We kind of knew, or maybe the contradictions will come back to haunt me, but I think we all kind of thought the arse would fall out of Arsenal, you know?
00:03:14
Speaker
I think they just kind of ran their course. I was only chatting to somebody, an Arsenal fan about this recently and off. I was saying there was nothing more they could do as far as I'm concerned. They did everything that they could have right. Like a normal team makes the odd slip ups and they made their slip ups. Now he didn't accept that.
00:03:39
Speaker
I think Rodry summed it up, when he was like, they came to play us and they were looking for Israel. And he was like, we wouldn't accept that if it was us.
00:03:51
Speaker
No, they do the exact same at the Emirates. They play the exact same way. So I even find that a bit of a contradiction for them. I do think there, it was probably trying to be a subtle shit house, but I do think there is a mentality difference between Pep City and like Arteta's Arsenal.
00:04:14
Speaker
They're bought it on the project, but it always feels like they're bought in like 80% while the city boys and yes, there is more money than God in that team. So it's easier to buy in, but I do think people will go through walls for, for pep. While some people look at our Ted and go, Hmm, not sure. It'd be my reading anyway. I don't know about you guys. Yeah. Just to be honest, I think the.
00:04:40
Speaker
I think the Arsenal team, they're missing a player too. I still don't think they have their tallies winning an attack yet. I think both city sales at Arsenal live up to the price tag and the hype that Arsenal fans had around it. But I do think Arsenal need to go out and get a goalscore.
00:05:07
Speaker
I think they need to start adding goals to that team. I like Vakaya Sakka's good and that, but I don't think he's the tightest man they need for a title.
Predictions Recap & Analysis
00:05:17
Speaker
You could imagine an Ollie Watkins or an Ivan Tony do well there. I'd quicker go for Watkins because at least have the option to kind of play him out as a... Tony's an Arsenal fan. Yeah, but he's a wanker. Just from every interview I've seen of him. Tony, that's his words, not mine.
00:05:35
Speaker
You don't go talking about it as if you're going to get snapped up by rail when you're barely scoring for Brentford after being out for how many months? Well, we said it way back after that, Stephen Bartlett interview, like he had absolutely no remorse. No, absolutely not. But then to start linking yourself with Madrid, talking about a Korean favourite in a club that doesn't even want you.
00:06:00
Speaker
for the team that's actually stuck by you. Like, ugh, just ugh. I don't like them. He's classless.
00:06:08
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, like sure, he played for Newcastle, so it's part parcel. But speaking of being classless, Nathan, I'm going to put you on the spot now. Oh God. To be judge, duty and executioner. We got you to look through some of our predictions and we didn't do a full kind of like who we thought was going to win or whatever, but we did kind of go through a few and how did we do?
00:06:34
Speaker
I think he's done decent now.
00:06:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's a bit middle of the road, some good, some bad, some ugly. Sounds like me leaving, sir. Sounds like me, excellent. We'll start off with the easy one, yeah, lads. So, you, Killian, Connor and Rob, they all went, that city would win the league. Surprise, surprise they did. Shock. Yeah. He's all agreed that the bottom four would be Burnley, Everton, Luton and Sheffield.
00:07:09
Speaker
Ooh.
00:07:11
Speaker
That's pretty good. Other than Everton now, based on their early season form, I'm not sad about that. Burnley, Everton, Luton and Sheffield. We got the three and Everton were like, I mean, they really put it on towards the end of the season and comfortably survived by what, 12, 14 points. But no, I'll take that. Okay. We got the top, we got the bottom.
00:07:40
Speaker
Here's where Killian wins it. He says, he said that if everything keep Deutsch, they would be fine. That is aged well. That's like a fine wine. Leaf in the man. I think I actually remember basically saying that as long as they stick with him, even if they get relegated.
00:08:03
Speaker
that did it be fine in the end and they didn't need to get their relegation. It's just exactly what happened with Burnley. The man is so bloody consistent. Heading to Newcastle next. Okay. Killian said Anthony Gordon wouldn't live up to the price tag. See? No.
00:08:27
Speaker
I would have agreed with him at the start of the season when he probably said that, but that has come back to bite you mightily in the arse, my friend. Yeah. As he lives up to the price tag.
00:08:38
Speaker
I mean, like he's, he's played out of a skin. Like, I mean, this, this half of the season he has. Yeah. Yeah. I think a season all in probably give him a C, but like in terms of his last, I don't know, four months, he's been a B plus a low A. I think in today's money, that's what used to be 20 mil. It's not even in today's money in Newcastle money.
00:09:05
Speaker
Yeah. Like 10 million still a lot for clubs. He's getting linked heavily with Liverpool. I think Liverpool have the money to buy him personally. This is a good one for you. You ready for this one? Hit me.
00:09:29
Speaker
I'm trying to tip Chelsea to finish sixth. Oh, you beautiful bastard unit. Oh, that is... I am so happy with that. That's an A right there, that's an A. Oh wow, okay. That's made my bloody week. But you have an A plus as well. Oh wow. So we're going from an A to an A plus, okay?
00:09:56
Speaker
On a taped villa to finish above Newcastle in the top four fight. I think I'm close. I think I might just retire, boys. Geez, what's in them glasses? Yeah, you wear the club glasses, you get the club magic. So that's unreal for him there. Okay. That is very good.
00:10:19
Speaker
Now lads, one of us is missing, Rob. Now, I don't mean to talk foul of a man that can't defend himself, but this right here is an F. You keep looting to get around the same point as the infamous Derby team.
00:10:38
Speaker
Oh, okay. I do remember that actually. I think we all agreed with him at the time. I don't want to be associated to that claim. No, that's enough. All credit to them. All credit to them. Like that is one thing I do think, although they went down this year, I think they did far better than definitely we expected as a pod. I think Rob Edwards as well has done
00:11:06
Speaker
a great job. Yeah and he's an emotional guy you can see he loves the club but I would wonder if they if they don't come back up next year how long does he stay but I don't think anyone would judge him for leaving you know I think all in all a half tip to looting this year. Yeah so that was that was a rough over Rob there but he redeemed himself so he
Player of the Year Discussion
00:11:31
Speaker
did.
00:11:32
Speaker
He said Klopp would believe him by the end of the season. That's a massive show. I don't think even Liverpool fans like...
00:11:46
Speaker
thought that was going to come, let alone like just a lowly little Man United fan. Not that deliverable fans have left up in letting us know that. Can we just appreciate as a pod to date, we predicted the winner, the three that went down, Chelsea in sixth and Klopp to leave. I mean, boys. Okay, there's one more. Define a prediction.
00:12:12
Speaker
Rob said Arson would only approve once Riley became the number one. I mean. Yeah. I mean, they did. Like if we all know I love Aaron Ramsdale and I love how much of a shit house that he is. We all know how much Rob hates Aaron Ramsdale. I don't know how much this was actually him foresighting things or just him letting his emotions take over. Well, I do remember at the time as well.
00:12:41
Speaker
none of us believe in Arteta actually doing this whole we'll play one for a game then the next for a game it was you don't buy keeper for what was it 50 mil or something like that yeah but okay right i'm pretty proud of us as a pod so that right there is some where you were going um don't downhill from here coming into next year which means next season we've got a lot to live up to
00:13:08
Speaker
yeah and i think what we'll have to do is you'll have to kind of make a more kind of like concerted predictions one so we can all be put on like i think i got away likely with a very gentle one there um so i think we all need to put our necks on the line yeah i can have a few stinkers and share that know what i'm like with my predictions i vote the rest the emotions take over
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to be class of 2024. And the predictions are going to be that Granaccio is going to eat Earling Hallen alive. But before we put the final nail in the coffin this season, and thank you very much, Judge Judy and executioner on it and burn there. Let's go to our end of year awards. And let's just take a second just to reminisce about the season gone. Player of the year,
00:14:00
Speaker
We have a couple of names that we were chatting about before. So obviously, Foden won the Premier League, won other players. Football Riders. Yeah, that one. I don't think he was the player of the year. I thought he had a very, very good season. But I'm going to pop forward my case for Rodry. It's hard to knock it.
00:14:26
Speaker
Yeah, like Man City have lost four games this year. Rodry had not played in any of them. He's only one with City this year. I mean, you know, again, you look at that. That's when they had their little dip, which they always have, but he was injured for it. And as soon as he came back.
00:14:47
Speaker
He is the general of that team. I put it this way, I don't think Phil Foden is player of the year if Rajari isn't in that team.
00:14:59
Speaker
That's not to say that Phil Foden isn't an absolutely incredible football player. I just think Roger is that donkey worker. The back of Lele that Zidane used to talk about. Or the Carrick or the, you know, like all these kind of the G-sung parks, there's always a player in great teams that is unbelievable because not that Roger goes under the radar. Jesus, everyone knows he's unbelievable, but like he's never going to win Player of the Year, even though he's not a headlines player. Yeah.
00:15:27
Speaker
But I do think there's a blind spot when it comes to players like Raji, the ones that do the dirty work and are less unsung heroes. I struggle with Phil Foulton's playing here just because when I think back to the season I don't go like, what?
00:15:43
Speaker
like this was Bill Foulton's season, you know what I mean? He was tearing people alive, left, right, center. I'd honestly put the person next to Roger, I'd put Declan Reister as well. I just think him coming in, I think he's added a lot of stability to Arsenal, took them up that next level, that I think they're both such assets to their size and play such similar roles that
00:16:08
Speaker
I think when I think of the season, I go, them two probably brought more, brought more to their team than it feels like. I agree with that. And, you know, I think Declan Rice is probably, you know, the way you were saying earlier that Arsenal need one or two players. We've been saying that for 10 years, but Rice is definitely one of those two players that they've needed in the last 10 years. He's kind of brought stability, like you said. And I mean, his price tag was mental, but
00:16:34
Speaker
He's lived up to it in terms of what he's brought to that team. Another name I'd throw on the table, but I think this might even be a separate award as opposed to Player of the Year.
00:16:44
Speaker
is Cole Palmer. And I think it might be like a breakout player of the year, I don't know, because he had a big price tag going to Chelsea and leaving that city system, nobody really knew how it's going to go. And he kind of in the same way that Ronaldo kind of brought United along for a long period there before he left. I think Cole Palmer's done that for Chelsea. To be honest, I'd put Cole Palmer as player of the year over Phil Floyd.
00:17:13
Speaker
I think he's made more impact on Chelsea than Philphone has on City. And I think the reason Philphone probably got it, and I'd say Cole Palmer was close to getting it, was because they won the league. But I think Cole Palmer gets two times my vote over Philphone.
00:17:37
Speaker
I think on that, though, I think it's going to be a case of like an Arsenal deck rise, probably a player of the year internally at the club, if he hasn't already. I think at Chelsea, it'll be Palmer and I think at City, it'll probably be Rodri. At least player's player, I would say. If you want to know who got it, United, Diogo Daddo. Player's player. Yeah, player and fans. Wow. Diogo Daddo. That's not what I expected at all.
00:18:06
Speaker
No, he had a, he had a good season. Like he wasn't like not an amazing season, but he was, he was best, best of the bunch. So boys, what are we saying for the illustrious nap player of the year? I'm going to, I'm going to say Palmer. I'm going to say, I'm going to say Roger.
00:18:30
Speaker
I just got to put in a very honorable mention to Odegard. Same kind of reasoning. Rice just kind of elevated the squad beyond where it had been. But I think ultimately, Roldrey has been the player of the year. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Congratulations, Roldrey. You can collect your prize at the top of the hole. Like if Palmer had
00:18:54
Speaker
If Chelsea had done more, if Chelsea had gone top four, I think Palmer would have walked away with it.
Managerial Changes & Speculations
00:19:00
Speaker
But just finishing sixth when you have spent so much. I think finishing sixth could be good for them because, you know, it's less the caliber of players they're coming up against. It could give them more
00:19:15
Speaker
time to figure out what the hell is going on. That club potentially win a trophy if they play their cards right. Well especially considering as just before us coming on the podcast they sacked Pochettino. Which is absolutely mental. So they're starting the project again. That club is, I think it was like eight managers in 11 years or something.
00:19:37
Speaker
like mainly the point a while back that that Chelsea team would easily have been 11 12 for him like to pull off sixth is like
00:19:50
Speaker
I'd say to be honest, he's glad to be out of that club. It's a cesspit. He's probably got a full payout because he wouldn't have left if he didn't. I think his stock has not gone down while he's at Chelsea, so I don't see anything bad for him, but Jesus, the club looks terrible. Interestingly enough, there was no payoff, which means he could be up for a job straight away.
00:20:15
Speaker
Oh, that must have been in his contract. He must have known. It was a deal done, I believe. So that he may have got paid off, or there was a deal done to kind of just get it all finished with.
00:20:28
Speaker
Yeah. Where does he go? There's a couple of jobs out there, boys. If I was United. I feel like we're in a position now where we can't even predict where a manager is going to go, because there's that many free. Well, you guys wanted Parch for a long time at United. I was United. That'd be exactly where we're going. Forget all. Just go for it. Get the deal done. Touchel doesn't know what he's doing. So what? He hasn't decided.
00:20:58
Speaker
Do show up like he's not sure what his next move is, shall I say, but Poch is he's the kind of manager you can kind of build around for five or six years if you want to. He's good with young players. He's good with players that have
00:21:13
Speaker
attitude problems, which I think... Hey, we've got enough. Cute. No, I just, you know, I just should just get them in, be done with it. You've been waiting a decade holding your mickeys in your hands and don't be the girl left at the end of the dance with nobody to answer it. Well, if they don't act fast, they'll lose too cool and parched.
00:21:40
Speaker
You know, um, and I don't really know, like, like we said before, a nauseum, it'll probably be some RNA slot type. At least we have options. I think the options are probably better than any slot. I don't know if you have options. There's options out there. No, I think we do. Listen, I don't think you just have a pick and choose. I really do. I really think we do.
00:22:07
Speaker
any advantages get approached by Manchester United? I think it's a done deal. I don't think it's a done deal. I think there need to be assurances there. But I think, I think Parch would sooner accept the job than Tookle would without a lot of
00:22:26
Speaker
I think Touko might struggle with the size of the team he'd be allowed to bring in. I think he'd want more control than he'd be allowed to have. And I think Poch would just be like, sign the players you want to sign, but let me manage them and we'll leave it at that. I think it's an easier decision for them. I think what Poch has learned over the years with all the teams he's been with since Spurs is
00:22:49
Speaker
if he can trust whoever is upstairs. That's what I'm saying. Like if it's be it Dan Ashworth, be it Radcliffe himself, if he can, if he feels like he's going to be looked after, he'll just go, go with them and kind of go listen. Right. And I think, I think he's not a guy that needs to, he's not like a here's five players by one of them or I'm leaving. I think he's, he'd like to be involved in the discussion, but I think he'll deal with whatever he's given.
00:23:18
Speaker
If he's involved, like he, like, as in, he may be like, I'd like this player. They may not go for him, but as long as he was in the conversation, I think he's like, okay, that's my job. Yeah. I think he puts forward the profile. Yeah. Just the kind of guys are like, here's who I'm thinking. But just get to be someone in this world like that. Quick question, guys. Okay. The Zerbe's left, right. Yeah. What?
00:23:41
Speaker
do we think that, I'm trying to wrap my head around this, there has to be an asterisk somewhere where that's making all the clubs go away from. Like, we are hearing clubs actively chase down deserving. He's just terminated the deal with Brighton. That's not like an overnight thing, that's not something that you do the day before the end of the season.
00:24:04
Speaker
without like pre-thought and distortions. So what's making clubs go when I go near this fella? You're right. It's suspect. I don't think there's a determinant kind of situation. I think they kind of got to a place where Brighton were just
00:24:27
Speaker
motoring along and nothing was really changing like I mean I know he was I don't know if it was us talking about him for the liberal job or he was actually up for it but that's the only job I've heard him linked in the past like United I don't see it Munich don't want them you never know what Chelsea that could actually happen but I'm just confused like he they keep such hot property like
00:24:49
Speaker
I think Potter has kind of stepped on that party. 24 minutes and we get our Potter mentioned people.
00:25:00
Speaker
No, but genuinely, I think a lot of bigger clubs are looking at it, going, well, if Potter can't handle... I think Potter, from a big club perspective, did himself no favors about how honest he was with the media. He was too nice at times. He didn't seem to quite have the
00:25:23
Speaker
The whole, I have never been to a Champions League game, let alone managed one, like that kind of stuff. You can't, but there's no room for a Sweden in that level of football. But yeah, it is like from an outside perspective. And I think there's that kind of.
00:25:38
Speaker
question mark over deserby now plus one thing about deserby is he's never really stuck around anywhere too long um and this is the first time that he's really really drawn attention to himself in the in the sense of like this the first time his results have made people sit sit off but like he's a 43 win rate yeah it's not huge
00:26:00
Speaker
but it's 38 wins out of 88. Well, jokes aside, Stephen Kenny's was like 30 something, wasn't it? It was like 36 or something like that. Some of the clubs that he's being linked with is
00:26:15
Speaker
Byron who, right now, I don't think anybody can say whether Byron wants them now. Apparently, they've distanced themselves, but they're running through managers quicker than, you know. They may not have an option. Barcelona, apparently, if they do get rid of Javi, AC Milan, apparently, United, he's been linked to it. I think the asterisk night that you're talking about is, and I think it's the same for Potter after Potter,
00:26:41
Speaker
didn't work at Chelsea. I think people think Brighton success is down to their stats-based approach. That has nothing to do with the manager and then in the director of football and C-suite people. So I think people are like Brighton are doing well, not because of their managers and the managers are getting more out of it than they're giving. It's what I think the Asterix is. I could be talking out my backside here, but I think that's what it is.
00:27:07
Speaker
I just think it's so bizarre that this guy was the hottest property. Twitter would make him believe any club in the world would want him and now he becomes available and it's deadpan. And apparently he wants a new club by next season. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see what happens but I just think it's a bit odd.
00:27:32
Speaker
It is. No, it is. You know, and only time will tell where he lands. And I'd be interested to see who goes in there next. I mean, there's talk of Kieran McKenna, but then on the flip side of that, does Kieran McKenna, if Ipswich go up, he has premier league opportunity with Ipswich, not that much pressure because
00:27:59
Speaker
you know in the last couple of years all the new teams to come up go back down and if they go back down I don't think he loses any stock so I think he can get the same experience in the Premier League get up right and through Ipswich with less eyes on and he could always go somewhere else after that.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah, I think there's, with the Brighton position, I think it'll either be something we've never ever heard of, like it is there because I kind of like, oh, I think I seen his name on the lower third in a Europa League game, or it'll be, I wouldn't be surprised if Graham Potter went back.
00:28:36
Speaker
Stranger things have happened, yeah. Yeah. Or I do think that maybe like a Corbriand or a Sifuentes from West Brom and QPR, I think they might just kind of, I think they're going to do something clever. I don't think they're going to do anything big. Although like they could surprise people and kind of go for like a Ruben Amorim somewhere in the middle. Yeah, I didn't actually, okay.
00:29:03
Speaker
He kind of fell off, didn't he? He was the next Liverpool manager, then it seems like they made a U-turn on him. Then he said no to West Ham, because I think he didn't like the bad PR of going for two jobs at once.
00:29:18
Speaker
But it seems like he's one foot out the door. Yeah, but even what players most are in the Portuguese League, it is a step up league. Yeah.
Awards: Unsung Hero & Flop of the Year
00:29:31
Speaker
Nate, for our next award, Unsung Hero of the Year, will you button forward?
00:29:41
Speaker
I am putting forward Andre Onana. This guy has faced 600 shots this season. That should be a crime in itself. This poor fellow has been subjected to... That's borderline assassination attempt. Oh my. I know people have questioned some shots as well, but to be where he was at the end of the season,
00:30:09
Speaker
I know we had minus one goal difference at the end, but to be honest, it doesn't look so bad when you face 600 shots. So I think the poor guy, he's had a rough first season. I don't know if you guys saw the interview with Gary Nevelyn on Anna, but he seems like a genuinely good bloke.
00:30:29
Speaker
Yeah, I thought he came across very well. I didn't know he spoke like six languages. Yeah, I know. Which is good for a goalkeeper. Didn't he come true at Barca? Yeah.
00:30:42
Speaker
Like he's, he's been around for longer than people give him credit. He came across a very smart man to be honest. He also came across as like, uh, like I didn't know about his charity work and all he does with kind of the hospital's room Manchester. And yeah, you could argue it like being cynical that it was a puff piece for him. Uh, but like, it was really hard to come away from that and go and not go, what a great guy. Hmm.
00:31:06
Speaker
Yeah, so he'd be my pick, like, the poor fella. I'm gonna, I'm gonna stick with the old red devils. And I think it'd be unfair not to even mention Johnny Evans in this. What a man. Poor guy. I suppose good and bad. He's gone from
00:31:27
Speaker
like where he taught he was even lesser to go to a lesser club and I'm coming into Manchester United where we sort of gone hey lad we need you. Well he just came in because he wanted to keep his fitness during the summer and then he was like and then he's still there starting every game like oh that's gas. Yeah no like Johnny Evans like obviously Sunderland sweet spot for him um yeah like it's it's bad when there's been games where you've had your other defenders
00:31:57
Speaker
fit and ready, and Evans was put in ahead of him. One other name I'd like to throw in the pot, and maybe it's not an unsung hero, maybe he is a sung hero at this point. Coleman at Everton.
00:32:12
Speaker
Because he led that revolution to keep him up. Yeah. Yeah. And he doesn't like being in the press. When he does speak to the press, he's very honest. If they try clickbait and he shuts it down on the scene, I think he'd be honorable mention at the minimum. Yeah. Well, my nomination for this award is also from Everton. Oh.
00:32:39
Speaker
And that is Sean Dyche's track suit. They were secure. I saw a thing with them as well. They, uh, they were chatting and they're like, Oh, what, what did the players think of it? And they're like, Oh yeah, no, they, they, they, they won't let me get out of it. Now they're really buying into it. And he was like, my mom hates it though. She prefers me in a suit.
00:33:02
Speaker
See, unsung, even his mother doesn't appreciate it. And yeah, that's what brought the results. Um, who are we saying? I've gone with the tracksuit. Now, if we're going players, um, I think with the start of 600 shots, uh, it does paint, you know, I kind of, there was a period there where I think, Oh Nana lost the wheel of it. And he was letting in goals that were just.
00:33:32
Speaker
easy but when you say it like that, 600 shots, you're going to concede them so I'll give it to them. Okay, I'll accept the result although the tracksuit deserved it. Our next one, less, less happy, flop of the year Connor, here you go.
00:33:54
Speaker
So you could go two ways with this. You could go club or you could go player. I think just throw them all in. I think if we're going club, the one that really comes to mind and I think Nate will back me on this one as he's not the biggest fan of the manager is Brentford. I think they really struggled this year. It was
00:34:17
Speaker
Thomas Frank has been nothing but average this year. I, going into the season, like shows you a fiddle of the art as a football fan, really liked the guy, but he's very much underachieved this year. I don't know what you're thinking now.
00:34:31
Speaker
Yeah, no, I'm exactly the same. I think it's mediocre at best and mediocre is what will get them relegated eventually. I know it was tough not having Tony at the start of the season, but I think they're that established now that they should be a bit harder up to table. So yeah, they've been my flop of the year as well.
00:34:55
Speaker
If we're going club, anyone to add in kill? Club wise, not really. Burnley came to mind just because they didn't bother changing their system for the entire season when it wasn't working. Yeah, I guess.
00:35:17
Speaker
Yeah, in fairness, I think there was a lot of teams that kind of started off badly and then ended up over performing. That's kind of like flavoring my thought process. The likes of Wolves, Fulham, Bournemouth have been great. So like, the only ones that have done badly this year have been relegated. Yeah. Plus, Nottingham Forest. And can we all just appreciate for a second how relieved the Premier League must be that Everton and Forest stayed up?
00:35:44
Speaker
Cause like with the points deductions, they don't even have to worry about it. Yeah. No, no, there'd be no, uh, there'd be no, uh, appeals, appeals or court cases, Allah, Sheffield and West Ham from back, back of the day. Um, if we're going to play or who are you saying?
00:36:01
Speaker
So I have a few kind of thoughts about this. I think flop of the year, realistically, is the gutters in Old Trafford. Well, that was a cheap shot, that is. But it was a well rehearsed cheap shot, that was proper. Yeah, I liked that. I've been waiting for so long.
00:36:24
Speaker
Tenali I think has been a flop and like the club should have done their due diligence and should have seen that this was a possibility of coming and then they spent 60 million for a player not to play. Yeah and he had such promise at the start like he is a great player but you know it's
00:36:44
Speaker
is it's called my flop harsh probably but it doesn't mean he isn't one you know like lavia another one unfortunate for injury but a flop is a flop one one appearance after like 60 million plus a whole transfer deadline fiasco is that a flop though
00:37:06
Speaker
So far, yeah. I feel like Kaisei does much while I was flop in terms of... Blop the two of them in. At least we saw Kaisei not actually be a flop, you know what I mean? There is one other name and as far as I'm concerned, flopier doesn't have to be a new signing, put it that way. Like the gutters, they weren't new. Evidently. Casamiro.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yeah. Flop after flop after flub. And, oh, at least he doesn't have another four years on his contract at four in a grand a week. You know, easy to get rid of. Worried if you were a fan. Two years. Is it two? Yeah. A lot of money, my friend. I can't see past Casimir, to be honest. You know, towards the end of the season, it just became laughable. And I don't know if it's
00:38:02
Speaker
If he's a flop because his legs are gone, or he's just can't be arsed anymore, I don't know. Neither's good enough, but one of them's recoverable. He made the team worse with him being in it. I think like no matter what, for whatever reason, when he was in it, the team was worse. He was playing out of position.
00:38:21
Speaker
Still, man, he's won five Champions Leagues. He can't be that piss-poor. Bro was playing centre-back because I would have fucking ate out of my injured life. At the end of the year. No, but he played about eight games there.
00:38:34
Speaker
I still think like even even judging though, from, from, uh, from his, even if he's out of position, there's a certain expectation of how good he should be based on what he's done in his career. And I think he missed that bar. Is he, is he ever going to be an amazing center back? No, but I think there's a bare minimum of effort that he either can't do anymore or won't do.
00:39:02
Speaker
Which do you think it is now? Do you think it can do, won't do a bit of both? A bit of both, I'd say. To be honest, I just don't know where we're at. My biggest worry is, I don't know where the team is at if we're all fit, you know what I mean? I don't know if him not having to for sure send the backs behind them makes a difference.
00:39:28
Speaker
Like, because last year did, you know what I mean? Like, last year he looked really good. So it's like, I had like, where's his downfall coming to the people around him rather than just him? Like, I still think there's a player there.
00:39:44
Speaker
Well, that's something. I think there's a player in there just not for the Premier League. I think the Premier League has gone past him physically. And you could argue this is where the other midfielders for United should have been making more around him. And like I had said at the beginning of the year, the likes of Bruno Fernandez, you can't afford to, like Bruno Fernandez is the player you carry to enable him to do things well. You can't have him and a cast of Miro in a squad because you have to carry one, you can't carry the other.
00:40:13
Speaker
And yeah, I think there might still be a player in there. I don't think United are going to see it again.
Underdog & Shithouse of the Year Awards
00:40:21
Speaker
And I think it's just his body is caught up with him, most importantly. And the pace of the Premier League just means that, in my books, he's flop of the year. I would agree. I do think Kaiseido, though, is a shout. But I think that price tag is weighing heavy.
00:40:43
Speaker
But I think profile of club and responsibilities of the player, it's Casamiro. That dejection. Where'd he go? I could put another United player up if you want, Nate. I could say Mason Mount. But he's been injured. I'm sure to give it to people that are injured, I can't lie.
00:41:13
Speaker
Who are you saying? Causado. 80 men in. It's such a big price tag, isn't it? Connor, you're the recidant vote. You've given a little bit of love to both sides. I would have to say Casamiro, and it's not to annoy a knight. It's just, he followed on capitulated compared to the year before. Like, Causado somewhat stayed at the same level.
00:41:42
Speaker
Wasn't amazing the year before. United got a good one and a bad one now. So it's all leveling out. A quick one. Underdog of the year. I'm going to say Gary O'Neill. Oh. Nobody expected him to do what he did. That's a fair one. And he did a very solid season when people were kind of laughing at him kind of being a throw the British manager in there and he'll steady the ship.
00:42:13
Speaker
I didn't think of him as a very good one young man. It's hard to see past that. I think, you know, looking at my notes here, I was kind of leaning towards Eberden. Yeah, kind of just, I mean, it's one of those funny ones, right? Because like, I just had the start of the year.
00:42:33
Speaker
Everton should stay up. It's an expectation. There's no reason they should be there. So if anything, that's kind of like a failure. But I think through terrible owners making terrible decisions both financially and managerially until they brought in Sean Dyche, through that you get points deductions. There was multiple times this season where I truly thought Everton were
00:42:59
Speaker
Done. And whether you say that's Sean Dailish is the underdog and everyone's the underdog, I don't know. And then again, honorable mention of Luton, probably Rob Edwards. No one expected him to even, you know, there was a hot minute there where it was touch and go for them to stay up. So yeah, I think you're probably right with Gary O'Neill. I don't know about you, Nate.
00:43:23
Speaker
And yeah, Gary O'Neill's really surprised me, especially bouncing back after the Bournemouth second. I think it showed like he's a quality operator.
00:43:35
Speaker
That could have killed him. That really could have killed him. Especially because he was sacked for basically doing good. Just the funniest thing. So that could have really been the nail of the coffin where he's like, Jesus, there's nothing I could do. Do you know what I mean? I'm doing well. I'm still getting sacked. So I think he's been superb. And I think he's probably due an upgrade in a couple of seasons till he went to the next level. I know you mentioned him for United potentially down the road. Good job, baby.
00:44:05
Speaker
Jesus, that's a big jump. Are we unanimous in that one? Yeah. Gary O'Neill, underdog of the year. Two more awards. Gentlemen, who is our shit house of the year? The player or person or team even who just love to rile people up.
00:44:35
Speaker
Well, I think, I think the shit house of the year on, on the not upon a podcast goes to Mr. Killian Ginnity. There's no better man for stirring the pot. Uh, so congratulations to you and your award, my friend. Thank you very much. I'll be updating my LinkedIn momentarily. Now, do you have any names? Cause I have a load. So if he's struggling, I can fire a few at you. I have one and I'm going to probably butcher the pronunciation of it. Now pay.
00:45:02
Speaker
And he is a tremendous shit house. And I think he does it in a way that's at least humorous. It's not a, you know, Sergio Ramos, just an absolute bastard. You know, it, it, it, there's more comedic value to it and a bit more wind up than wind up merchant, you know, who you saying?
00:45:27
Speaker
Um, so I, I have a couple here. Nate, do you have any names to put forward before I go through my second encyclopedia? I think.
00:45:45
Speaker
So I have the Newcastle ball boy who wouldn't let Scudu use his chair for his celebration. That was top quality shithousery, I thought. Jordan Pickford.
00:46:01
Speaker
Like that celebration versus Liverpool. See, these are good one-off shit houses, but to get shit house of the year, you need continuous shit houseery. So the next two are connected and they are sort of one-offs, but I think just a level is so good that it deserves to be in contention.
Season Reflection & Future Plans
00:46:29
Speaker
Go on. One of them is not Forrest.
00:46:31
Speaker
In general. For tweeting at and accusing Luton fan and all that kind of crap.
00:46:39
Speaker
But just, he didn't do it before, he hasn't done it since. But perfectly timed, perfectly comedically executed. And at a time when all eyes are on him, Ashley Young, for causing the not so far as tweet, and then posting that he was listening to Crimea River by Justin Timberlake.
00:47:03
Speaker
I mean, they're all honorable ones, I think. I might just do this to boost Nate's sorrows of finishing below the tune, but can we add Man City into the shit house of the year for 115 charges and winning a treble and probably a double in two years? Boys, I actually have one, and I think this guy's been winning. Jason Tyndall.
00:47:26
Speaker
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. How did I not even think of it? That is no question. Well done, Jason Tyndall. Well, I think I am proposing for next year that we rename the award. The Jason Tyndall Award. Shithouse of the Year. And speaking of named awards, Kaylee and I bow down to your naming of this final award.
00:47:57
Speaker
The final award is the Amir Zaki Purple Patch of the Year for that player that just has an amazing spell and then drops off. I know before we were going into this, we had struggled with her a few names and a load came to me all at once earlier. So I'm going to just put a load of names out to you and you tell me. Cool.
00:48:22
Speaker
Munez, the young Brazilian striker from Fulham. Mateta, who did very, very good, but 13 goals and 13 games at the very end. Purple patch. Huyland. Oh, brave man. He's had two purple patches in Kettier.
00:48:45
Speaker
Oh yeah. He had a good spell and then he kind of fell off. Chris Wood. There was that, like he's been consistently decent all year, but he had that one, one spell. What was it in February where he's just really good? Yeah. Adebayu for Luton where there was that three or four weeks where he was fantasy football's Lord and savior. Dominic Solanke for Bournemouth. Again, a good year.
00:49:16
Speaker
but was very good for a certain period. Nick Jackson from Chelsea. That's my one. A decent year and had a very good spell. Doku for city. I think that's mean. I think he had, he's had better spells than he had a season. The one that hurts me to include Evan Ferguson. Oh.
00:49:47
Speaker
Evan Ferguson was a real flash in the pan now. I think he will still come good, but as of this year, I think he's been more Amir Zaki than Erling Haaland. You mean the League Two player that is Erling Haaland? Yeah. No, we're talking about gods, Egyptian gods and Amir Zaki. I would be flipping a coin on Nick Jackson and Evan Ferguson. What about you, Nate?
00:50:17
Speaker
I think Evan Ferguson's a good shout. Just because we know there's more in there, you know what I mean? What are you playing in there? No, because he got... I just don't know. I do think the harder one, he's not deserving of the Amir Zaki award, but I think it took him a good while to get used to the anarchy that is that United team at the moment, you know?
00:50:45
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say Evan Ferguson, to be honest. Just as we know this morning there, we know he's a good player. I think he just got through a hard time and I think he bounced back, but he'd be my though. I think... Connor, will you agree? I think so. I hate to say it because I think I speak for all of us. We love him as a player and hope he does wonderful things, but yeah.
00:51:14
Speaker
Not the Old Adam West season for him. No. Evan Ferguson, you are this season's Amir Zaki, as appointed by the Not Upon The Crew. So, gentlemen, Roger E. Casamiro, Onana, Gary O'Neill, Jason Tinlin, Evan Ferguson, what a blunt rotation.
00:51:33
Speaker
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00:51:52
Speaker
We'll accept that, yeah, yeah. We'll go back into the show. Gens, is there any other thoughts that you've had over the year that you want to say before we kind of wrap up 2023-2024? I think for me, it's
00:52:13
Speaker
It's just been a very messy season and the one thing I would hope going into next year there's a bit more stability in the managerial front. I think we've had more movement maybe not than ever before but it just feels like
00:52:28
Speaker
I think we only had four managers, but even in the season. Yeah. But like, I think even with that, just maybe it's the old bastard in me. I don't know. But it seems like if you lose three games in the pants, your job's at risk. And like, I'm just sick of reading the paper. So maybe it's not even a dig at the premier league teams and the managerial Mary go around. I think it's more aimed at journalists, but that's coming from.
00:52:53
Speaker
Someone is not a pundit, so, you know. It's the pundits that are a problem. Yeah, I think that's my resounding thing for the season, the pundits are the problem. Nate, any observations or hopes for the future? Hopes for the future, I hope we end the travel again. Take a look at that. Observations, Premier League football needs saving. Oh, in what way? It's becoming a very repetitive and somewhat
00:53:21
Speaker
boring product for parrots, I'd say. And I just think they need to find a way to just excite things again, whether that's, you know, take a city to court for real or, you know, so dear, dear listeners, if you feel something in your earphones, it may be the salt coming from the comments of Mr. Nathan Burr. Like, yeah, like, I don't know. I feel like we're becoming the farmers.
00:53:50
Speaker
No, I didn't agree there. Man, come on. It's not that bad. Four in a bounce. It's becoming a bit PSG. Four in a bounce. Soon enough to be Celtic.
00:54:06
Speaker
Yeah, like it's pretty grim at the minute. One of my observations was I was a very sad end to the career of Roy Hudson. I do kind of feel bad about that this year. Yeah. You very rarely get to leave in the right way, though, in football. Yeah. You just shouldn't have come back. Or when he saved them last season, just leave in the summer. I think it's just too nice. I think he genuinely just wanted to help.
00:54:36
Speaker
Yeah, but it's not like you needed the money and God knows he didn't need the stress. No. And I think we're going to see another season next year where the promoted sides are relegated just from looking at the squads. It's it's not great. I think Lester will have a shot.
00:54:58
Speaker
A shot is the best I could say. I think they could be like a looting in the sense that look fine for Para this season and may ultimately falter. They may not.
00:55:08
Speaker
All I know is, all I know is Mr. Jamie Vardy will definitely be in the running for shared house of the year come the awards next year. Oh, don't you know if he's still there. Yeah, fair. Um, and gentlemen, on the bombshell that shabby Alonzo has mentioned kills in his press conference ahead of the Europa league final. Yeah. Well, actually I have to do a poke quiz. Everyone man.
00:55:35
Speaker
he did actually bring it up though he's like i came here at 14 at keldt and i always love coming coming to ireland so and just and kelly and gennady has kidnapped my children unless i mention it we're going to do a live show where we're going to do a podcast it's going to be a drinking game
00:55:51
Speaker
Just, just to write it off for the season, we've just got to give the honorable mention to Steve Bruce. And we've, we've. Oh, Paul. Ralph. I don't know. I think Mike held football manager safe. Class of 2024. They're all on the bingo card.
00:56:13
Speaker
Lads, it's been a blast. Thanks very much for joining me all year. First season in the books, boys. It's been a good one. We have outlasted most podcasts based on international statistics. If you get past, I think it's 10 or 15 episodes, you've outlasted 90% of those that are created. And we're on, I think, episode 26 overall. And we're not slowing down either.
00:56:40
Speaker
Not slowing down quite the opposite because we have the euros coming up. We have some fantastic interviews lined up. We do. Championship winning international managers on the way. And non-league managers.
00:56:56
Speaker
non-league man like we're gonna have a little bit of everything from the top to the bottom of the pyramids of football and of course the the euros which we're gonna have some very very special content more podcasts than probably ever for a very short bit of period and who knows maybe even some live streams and watching longs gentlemen thank you very much and i'll chat you soon bye
00:57:22
Speaker
Messi. Messi. Oh, my goodness. Atelier, Acreiro. That is extraordinary. What a head strike. What a hit. Back of the net.