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Combat Sports #combatsports Insider Clubber D the Combat G's Boxing #boxing Special (Canelo, Crawford & Turki Alalshikh) ft. 86 Boxing, Skywalker Boxeo & Papi Choon Yayo
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Combat Sports #combatsports Insider Clubber D the Combat G's Boxing #boxing Special (Canelo, Crawford & Turki Alalshikh) ft. 86 Boxing, Skywalker Boxeo & Papi Choon Yayo
Riyadh Season (8/3) Fight Card:
- Terence Crawford def. Israil Madrimov (c) via unanimous decision (116-112, 115-113, 115-113)
- Jose Valenzuela def. Isaac Cruz (c) via split decision (116-112, 113-115, 116-112)
- Andy Ruiz vs. Jarrell Miller ends in a majority draw (112-116, 114-114, 114-114)
- David Morrell def. Radivoje Kalajdzic via unanimous decision (118-110, 117-111, 117-111)
- Andy Cruz def. Antonio Moran via seventh-round knockout
https://www.youtube.com/live/xgWPkDAYong?si=oILcbBLMkxJcV8EI
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Transcript
Opening Remarks and Host Introduction
00:00:00
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Peace with the Americans! It's that world heavyweight flow. Championship belt wrapped around my waist. Yo, I got that rit slam, they get low. Slam you on the paze, that's why they call me Street Pro. Create heat on beat flow. Like Jordan after the second time he three-peated folks. Get ready, set, let's go. Fight toe to toe, release the flow created by this mic pro. Lights camera, get low.
00:00:28
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Action back, back to back, in fact this monster will grow Y'all better let him know Man with the master plan and you have no need to know Heart like winning code Busty fools, anything left to kill and whack rappers is a crime I stay trying to get mine Stacking value, packing venues, winning over time Ain't no fine timeline Open your eyes, you're looking for the best and this is what you find Game is only for the bold You can't prepare, now get ready for the show Introducing, from parts unknown, your UFC and combat sports insider, Clumber D, the combat GM, the sports professor!
00:01:16
Speaker
Yo, yo, yo, what up, what up, what up, friends? Yes, yes, yes, indeed. Welcome to Ball and Buds. You know what it is, is we bring in the star of the show,
00:01:32
Speaker
Clubber D, the Combat G, Combat Sports Special Boxing Edition. We have some really special guests on today with us. So it is going to be an amazing, amazing show. Clubber D, how you feeling today, my brother?
00:01:50
Speaker
I'm feeling great. Just trying to figure out how to share this thing to the bottom line. But other than that, you know, we hear we got some good guests here. We're going to talk some boxing. We're going to talk some life. We're going to talk some chicken wings. We're going to talk some chitlins. We're not going to talk about the last two, but we hear we can have some fun.
00:02:05
Speaker
I know we always have fun SP and CD. Don't let him get your mom because he making her pay for him. You already know and check the water on the CPAP level. um That being said, we have awesome guests today. We are going to talk about the 8th, 3 August 3rd Riyadh season card that just passed and a whole bunch of other boxing topics. So, that being said, let us start to introduce our guest.
Guest Introductions and Channel Discussions
00:02:32
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First off, as we mentioned, 86 boxing here with us today. His name, he goes by the name of, his name is Josh, shouldn't say he goes by. From 86 boxing, what is going on? Josh, my brother.
00:02:46
Speaker
Hey, what's up, my people? What is up? Here to talk boxing, baby. That's what we about. You see the shirt right there? Got it stamped and paid in full, baby. Let's represent.
00:02:57
Speaker
um there we go. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Let's go. So, we are happy to have you on today. I know uh club has been there with you on your streams uh before. So, uh I know that y'all have done some good work. So, we're happy to have you on the show today. Um that being said, next to the stage from Skywalker Box. Oh, here he is. What is going on today? Oh, whoops. Sorry. There he is. yes saluted voting on ya Hey, pleasure being here. Uh, looking forward to talk some boxing with you guys. Yeah. And make sure, oh, Josh, by the way, make sure you all plug your channels too. Please. Um, Josh, go ahead. Chuck, plug your channel. Hey, at 86 boxing on everything at eight, six boxing, baby. Everything. That's how you, that's how you do social media. Y'all that's a key thing that they teach you. Just keep the same handle across social media. So they can get it. Add you everywhere. Make it easy. Skywalker box sale. Add your channels. My bad.
00:03:56
Speaker
at Skywalker boteo on YouTube, Facebook, and uh Instagram. Sweet. There you go. And uh last but certainly not not not least. Excuse me. Poppy. Which I love that name. That's amazing. So, let us uh let us get him in. Uh oh. Unfortunately, what's happening now? Uh oh. The same thing is happening. He's not showing on the screen for some reason let's see hey you may have Yeah, you may have to come back and come back in because that happened last time when you were here. He's going to drop out and come back in and we'll get him right back. And hopefully he will be able to pop in to see us. But anyway, salute. Let's go through these comments before we get into everything. Shout out, Josh Brewer. Thank you for tuning in. Yes, sir. Let's go. um Let's see. Oh, come on. Why isn't it working? Oh, hold on one second. We've got to get this figured out. That's not good. Oh, let's see what these layouts are doing.
00:04:56
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Let me get up here. Come on. All right. Well, I'm going to figure this out while I do that. Let's go ahead and just kick off what we were doing. Oh, there we go. There we go. There we go. Oh, no, no, no. There we go. Now you're back. There it is. There it is. There it is. All right, cool. I'm going to take the bear off.
00:05:21
Speaker
but because you know heavy on the poppy bit on a yale they can find me in the the jack of all traits im everywhere and nowhere at the same time a mega crystalals belt deep clothing and lowered the crystals ah everywhere all i g everywhere you can find me anywhere but mostly you know you can find me on tim and tims show get in the box and pick getting the boxing predictions right every week
00:05:55
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Knockouts and decisions, you name it. I'm top three, everything. Let's go. Hey, I like that challenge. Challenging, challenging, covered deep for some, uh, some pick supremacy. I like that way. They they put me on game. Okay. They put me on game. um See my name up there every week. I'm top three, baby. He ain't fronting. He ain't fronting.
00:06:18
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Yes. Well, we are happy to have you on by the end. All of you. Thank you so much for joining us and everyone. Thank you all for tuning in. We really appreciate it. Again, make sure you subscribe at ball and buds B A L L A N D B U D S. As everybody knows the good part is you do that everywhere and everybody can find you, but where we want you to go is YouTube. Make sure you subscribe there. So you stay updated with all the videos including these live streams. Our next ball and buzz live stream will be next week. Another Clubber D combat sports special for UFC 305. It will be our MMA edition.
00:06:51
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Clipper D goes both ways. Wow. Pause. Pause. Pause. Not what I meant. I am so sorry. Pause. Wait a minute. Pause. Wait a minute. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause.
00:07:08
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yo my bed um that milk oh up ah look
00:07:18
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you. My bad. Yeah. Uh anyways, uh that's that being said, let's go ahead and keep this bad boy off, shall we?
Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller Fight Analysis
00:07:25
Speaker
So, August 3rd, huge card, Riyadh season, the first one on American Soil, BMO Stadium, ah Los Angeles, California, uh Turkey, Alashik, Alashik who by the way, I mean, we're gonna talk about this later in the show but um man, the things he's doing. Anyways, that's all I'll say for now cuz we're gonna get more into it but He is, he is turning into being one of the most influential people in boxing history very, very quickly. Uh, so first fight, we're going to start off with here. We're going to go through and review all the fights and then, uh, we'll talk about what's next for each of these fighters as well. So let's start off with Andy Ruiz Jr. And Jarrell, big baby Miller.
00:08:08
Speaker
fighting to a draw. um Now, this brings up other questions that need to be asked later. So I'll save them for follow ups for all these gentlemen. But um the judge the judges scored this 116, 112 for Miller on one card, but was overruled by a pair of 114, 114 cards for a majority draw. um Miller, 26, 1, and 2 now with 22 KOs.
00:08:36
Speaker
um I mean, he he had a he had a good showing, but Ruiz, who says he had broken his hand within the fight. He's now 35, 2, and 1, 22. KOs, yes, it was broke. You could see it. um How much that affected him, when that happened, I will leave all of that up to you gentlemen. So let's go ahead and kick it off with you, Clubber D. What are your thoughts on this fight? And then we will go around the horn. No no copyright, please.
00:09:05
Speaker
no copyright stupid hey anybody but the that the show about to be done anyways. But uh, it's not the tone of reality. I see you in a in DC sometime. But um, just fight actually solo. Big baby won this fight. We all know that. And I really feel that uh, injuries after that two two year layoff. Um,
00:09:24
Speaker
It was a little bit of the home cooking, you know, this fight was in ah Southern California kind of where he's from. So I feel like they did him a solid, but I feel Big Baby ah kind of dominated this fight. I just don't want to and understand how they gave it to Andrew Ease. I know he had his first at times, but 100% I gave this fight the big baby. I thought they'd mess this up and you saw big baby goes straight to a turkey a la chic and kind of, you know, tell him, Hey, I think, you know, you guys know I won in Turkey's Turkey. Turkey said the same thing. You know, um he thought he had won, but I thought he was pleading for another fight and get that turkey money. But, uh, but yeah, I thought big baby won this fight. Yeah, there are Josh, what are your thoughts on this fight?
00:10:03
Speaker
sale So this is one where I'll really have to take a rain check in terms of saw all the other fights with this one. I've only caught bits and pieces of it some highlights things of that nature. What I can say is I saw that Andrew we suffered some type of broken hand something of that nature maybe his right hand.
00:10:23
Speaker
And from the highlights, I did see he put in some work. That being said, I guess it seems that Jarell Anderson had the majority of that work to the duration of the fight. So I'm going to take a I'm going to plead the fifth. yeah I don't know. I got to double back on it. You know what I'm saying? Well, don't fit. You must acquit. Yes, sir. Skywalker, what are your thoughts, brother?
00:10:51
Speaker
um that fight came on uh right after we had the big baby Anderson fight. So we we had a great heavyweight fight. we We're ah hyped up. We've seen uh an upset. You know what I mean? Uh with the knock. I know we're going to get to that but so I was anticipating another good fight. It really didn't turn out to be that. Um I kinda had uh Miller up but at the same token, I think yeah that uh that uh Annie Ruiz without a broken in his hand was really jacked up bro. If you've seen his hand, it was I mean, it was obviously broken, you know what I mean? Split up, it was it was coming out the skin almost popping out right here. I think if his hand wasn't because he did that for for five rounds, I think that if his hand was was in decent shape that we would have seen, you know, some big shots from fer men Andy Ruiz, you know so. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Uh, Bobby. Man, um.
00:11:49
Speaker
yeah i didn't know I didn't know how it was going to turn out, but you know I got the prediction almost right. Just to say this, Andy Ruiz came in super heavy.
00:12:04
Speaker
Um, I believe his weight allowed him to absorb, um, a bit more punishment from the heavier guy. You know, Jarrell came in a lot lighter. He definitely was in better shape than he was when he fought out, uh, out in Saudi the last time. Um, be honest with you. I do or did have, uh, uh, Jarrell winning. However.
00:12:28
Speaker
Um, to me, it looked like Andy Ruiz was, we saw flashes of the old Andy Ruiz with the fast counter shots, fast hands. He took what Jerrell had to dish out, which was incredible. And you know, and internet of itself.
00:12:43
Speaker
um Also, I'd like to say that Jarrell had missed many opportunities to maybe secure the rounds solidly. It seems like he was just in bully mode. He was coming forward. just He was basically elbowing my guy and just bullying him around the ring. Instead of using elbow, maybe he should have put a couple of fists on it.
00:13:06
Speaker
That's my perspective. Um, what we would love to see it again. I just, Hey, listen, I do like what Andy did. I love what Andy was doing when he was doing it. And he got the dog in him. That thing had a ah thing was sticking up like this and he was still throwing it. yeah So that's my perspective. Yeah.
00:13:31
Speaker
Yeah, so and again, as all mentioned in the picture, you can see the clear deformity on his knuckles. So clearly that has an effect in in boxing. So let's go around the horn real quick and let's ask how much effect do we think that had?
00:13:48
Speaker
Um, you know, depending on what, I don't know exactly when it happened, but how much of an effect do we think that had on the end of the fight? Do we think that he but he would have won with the trajectory he was fighting with at first with that? Um, how do we feel? Uh, uh, let's go back around the other way. Poppy, how do we feel? Um, honestly, uh, if so Andy's counter shots were coming, um, few and far in between.
00:14:15
Speaker
He, uh, you know, he, he didn't really stay still for the majority of the fight and he wasn't able to, because Jarrell didn't allow him to stay still. Um, so to be honest, I think if the fight happens again, um, or I'm sorry, not if the fight happens again, but if Andy's hand was okay, if we, if we put an if in there, then we got to say, what if Jarrell threw more punches?
00:14:42
Speaker
So I'm gonna say that I think Jarrell probably stops him if they run it back. Okay, there you go, Scott Walker. I believe Andrew Reese said it happened in the fifth round. um Of course, we can't tell because we can't see through we can't see through a glove, but we got to take a fighter's word for it. But he said he fought five rounds.
00:15:08
Speaker
with the damage hand, I give him a lot of respect for that because that hand was really, really jacked up. more I think any Ruiz has that that power, man. We seen it with AJ, you know, a good counter punch can always change the game. And especially with heavyweights, you know, one punch can always change the game. So, you know, that five rounds with the better hand, it could, it could, it could, you know, I, I seen the fight pretty, pretty evenly matched. I mean, it was real slow pace, you know, you know, it wasn't,
00:15:38
Speaker
high level heavyweight boxing, you know, I think with the layoff and everything else, you know. Yeah, so I think that, you know, if his hand was right, he might and might have made a difference.
00:15:51
Speaker
good jo Yeah, i you know it's we've had situations in the past, especially when you think about the history, just littered with instances where someone has broken something, whether that's a nose, hand, whatever it may be in the middle of a contest. And they fought through, so props to Andrew Lee's for fighting through in that regard. I think it could have made probably a difference. Of course, I haven't seen the entirety of the fight.
00:16:20
Speaker
so i can't really give a full judgment but we've seen guys find a way to win with a broken hand before That being said, the hand is an important piece of the actual actual contest right there. So you can understand if there is some drawback or hesitation once one of your hands is compromised. And as I understand it, it was his right hand. I believe he's right handed, you know, Orthodox fighter. So therefore I'd imagine it has some play in what he was able to do for the remainder of the contest. Right.
00:16:56
Speaker
we got team dona in the that's a legend right there. Wow. Yeah. Happy anniversary. Thank you for tuning in. We appreciate it and uh yeah, I said here it was like the Nonito versus Vasquez fight where Nonito busted his hand in the middle of the fight. Still continue to the end throwing minimal but accurate punches. Uh yeah.
00:17:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, it's just an adrenaline dump. You know, you probably don't feel as much at that time, but when it starts to wear down, they're like, oh snap, I done broke my hand. I mean, that was a whole tank first pit bull, because a tank broke his hand against pit bull. And he still got the dub, but I'm not sure which round he broke it in. But you know, fighter, this is a common thing in boxing for fighters to break their hand um and still finish the fight. You know, it's just really no matter if, you know,
00:17:57
Speaker
how much they feel it and how severe of a a fracture it is. But you know, like they say, shit happens. It's part of the game. Yeah. I mean, that's part of combat sports. You're going to break every, I mean, you're going to break stuff. They do it in MMA and boxing all all the time. um That being said, my, follow my, my follow-up question that I had talked about earlier that I wanted to ask, but I was going to wait ah just to see if anybody had answered it. The real question here is with the performance of and And this is going to lead into the next fight that we're going to talk about. But with the performance of Andy Ruiz and Jarell Big Baby Miller, it is looking very, very bleak, to say the least, in the American side of the heavyweights. This is definitely no 96, you know, when we had Mike Dyson, Holyfield, Bow and Moore, you know, four in the top 10.
00:18:52
Speaker
No, no, no, it's not like that anymore. So I wanted to, I was thinking about this question earlier, something I really wanted to ask. How do we feel about that? How do we feel about there being no true, um you know, and again, we'll go into the next fight of Boccole and Anderson, but how do
Future of American Heavyweight Boxing
00:19:10
Speaker
we feel about that? How do we feel about the prospects of American heavyweight boxing? Clubber D, we'll go back with you and go back around.
00:19:16
Speaker
Uh, before we, I'm not going to spill the beans with people already know, but, uh, you know, I feel like American boxing. Um, I didn't see the the Olympic, uh, results. I do got my Olympic, uh, shortcoming soon. Check out my, uh, tick tock, but, um, you know, we' got the I don't see us.
00:19:34
Speaker
doing anything in American and as far as heavyweight um for a while, I just don't see anybody a young, hungry, focused heavyweight fighter at this moment. I mean, I haven't done my research. I don't know everybody, but I will say for as far as the eye of ah me watching ESPN and everyone else, I know there's a young brother's Mexican, Mexican-American. all right There you go. Yeah, little with the mustache. So I know they they're pushing him in top rank, but When you start pushing people, we see that you need to give them good competition. Okay. We'll do it to others and stop giving them tomato cans. All right. So that's tomato cans before I get to that, but we talk about the next fight, but yeah, I would say, I don't see really another American heavyweight right now at the moment. I don't. Okay. All right. Josh.
00:20:27
Speaker
Yeah, of course, we've had some setbacks. This is not unlike what has been the case for the past, I would say 20 years. You know, we had Yante Wilder who came up and made a name there in the heavyweight division and was poised to be the guy to kind of take and carry the throne.
00:20:47
Speaker
things didn't work out in the full capacity to where he could become like an undisputed type champion. But that being said, he was able to get a title and hold on to it for a good period. Of course, there's no make no make make no mistake about it, the guy that was next up is Jared Anderson, who we'll talk about.
00:21:03
Speaker
And at the end of the day, it's not over for him. It depends on how he bounces back. It depends on how he takes this loss and whether he gets truly serious about what he wants to do here in this sport. And that's gonna take a bit of that metal ah bit of that heart from the inside of him, a bit of that soul for him to make that decision there on his own on how far he wants to go in this sport. Of course, who you mentioned there, you have a heavyweight name I believe Melendez or maybe maybe something with the M and I've seen him on a number of things, but he's a ring your geno Yeah, Medina Medina, that's what I'm thinking about Medina He has fast hands and sort of like Andy Ruiz and he's one who is ah on the come-up That being said right now, of course the UK, you know They are kind of where it's at as far as the heavyweight
00:22:00
Speaker
right now. And as far as American heavyweights, yeah, we just got to continue to see who pops up. You know, you never know. I mean, a star is born. I want to say every day. Maybe that's not the slogan goes, or maybe not. But that thing. I think it's like every 30 minutes, but that's probably. Yeah, that's probably. That's definitely mean you can go in there and step in a ring and maintain that stardom. But I still think the best bet is Jared Anderson and how he looks moving forward and the focus that he has moving forward because he has the background to go with it from an amateur standpoint. He has the medal. This is a tough fight that he took for him and to step up for sure. And it's just going to be a matter of how he bounces back because a loss doesn't necessarily define your career. And we've seen losses happen over time with the greatest of fighter is just how they continue to maintain. Go back to the drawing board, get better.
00:23:00
Speaker
there you go. and And yeah, I mean, uh, the truth, the two best fighters, especially back in the day in the, in the a day back in the eighties and seventies and not that that's the best era. I won't say Josh, I know, I know you're a historian, i but anyways, back when they would fight and not care about their, their zero. Right. So, and by the way, Lorenzo Medina was the one you were mentioning 11 and O with nine KOs Skywalker. Um,
00:23:26
Speaker
I don't think we can compa like today, Larry Holmes, in withers school Mike Tyson, you know, he had all the best heavyweights in the eighties. Right now we have a lot of good prospects like lorenzal magina being one of them they call him the giant assassin and uh he does pretty good with big guys and that's the thing man uh I think you gotta have some thighs if you don't have the feet like uik you know you gotta have it you gotta be a big heavyweight and I don't see no American heavyweights that are are really that size man Richard Torres is kind of a small heavyweight yeah even Lorenzo Medina is technically a small heavyweight too you know what I mean but uh we don't have no tall guys we don't have no furies no you know what I mean so you either have to have that we can like a six fourg
00:24:11
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Bobby, what do you think? Man, we are playing checkers while he plays checks. All right. So this is a repeat of something that happened when the Clinchco brothers got ahold of them belts, right? So if the world recognizes that the heavyweight division is the ah controller of boxing,
00:24:41
Speaker
and American big man are playing football, basketball, you know, they're playing all these other sports. We are definitely in trouble. I mean, um, when Jared, when Jared, when Jared, unfortunately, when he decided that he, he had one foot in and the door and one out, um, I lost confidence in him then. Right.
00:25:06
Speaker
Frank Sanchez. Y'all thought what happened to him when he went over there, right? He is, he looked crazy. Um, it seems like, it seems like Eddie Hearn's plan to, um, take over boxing has worked. The zone stamps on every sports event we watch. So in the beginning, it's down crazy, but now it seems like it's real. They got a jig cowboy. They got the boys, they've got Boccoli. They got, you know, Wardly.
00:25:41
Speaker
Um, have you they got it. So, uh, fortunately I don't believe that, um, I don't believe that Richard Torres is big enough. Um, you know, at two, I think he's cracking a scale like two 22 30, something like that. You know, Jared Anderson was two 50 and you know, he, he would, he would put in a dent in Vakoli's body. He was wearing him.
00:26:04
Speaker
but I just don't think that we got anybody um I don't think we got anybody for them man they they they like I said they're playing chess and I think they're trying to get all the straps over there in Europe and they're gonna feed us the crumbs and if we go fight we don't knock them out we're not coming back with the straps yeah ah real quick and real quick I'll say that also the thing with Richard Torres is we haven't really seen him tested and that's gonna be the true definition one of the big controversies or situations from the years from a few years ago was when Torres was knocked out by Zololov in the amateurs who was a pro at the time Zololov who's still out there
00:26:45
Speaker
And then you started hearing the questions of, should these professional boxers be competing with the amateur boxers or whatnot? That's still something that's gonna have to be addressed as it comes to Richard Torres. They're low live about six foot seven, 200 plus of course. So that's something that Torres will have to deal with if he expects to get to title contention. Yeah. Torres might be better off just going for that Bridgerweight title.
00:27:10
Speaker
Yeah. they might might be i've said um i got break away I don't mind that. I don't mind that at all. yeah one hundred your way problem with it They think that everybody does everybody that's over 200 pounds is supposed to, you all you all fight each other. I just don't think 215 pounds is supposed to be in there with 280, 290, 300.
00:27:31
Speaker
right this is just too it's too it's too much overcome it's kind of like a wilder we should put respect on water we can give him his flowers while he was here the boy was 214 and 215 and he was sleeping 280 dudes with one shot That's why I made it short about that guy. I put it like this. The bridge way should be a thing. It should be a thing earns because you look at m MMA where you have people praise Brock Lesnar because they're like there's 265 and he knocked out an older Randy Couture. But it's a man, he could down 265 but during fight night, he's 293 hundred. If I walk in at 220 and I fight somebody 300, how's that fair?
00:28:14
Speaker
And take light is having a. Over ring got him in the camp last West, but you know over ringing the ring. There's another steroid junkie. He knows Ryan Garcia or something. You know, they was on that horse meat or something. They all they all on some. Well, I know. Yeah, it's it's ah it's a thing around the ring. Yes, it is.
00:28:40
Speaker
Um, but yeah, so I, and I agree. Uh, you know, a lot of people crap on this new Bridger weight division, but I think it's, I think it's necessary. Uh, and I think that it will definitely help at least, uh, you know, this just disparity in size, because again, these are not our father's heavyweights, right? Given the dimensions of the best fighters in the sport, it's hard to comprehend that size gap of the fighters that you just mentioned, like looking at Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson.
00:29:09
Speaker
And how those, they were 220, 225 at the most, right? So it's just ah so much of a difference. And we saw that in the next fight we're going to move into.
Martin Bekole vs. Jared Anderson Fight Analysis
00:29:20
Speaker
Bekole, Bekole was 200. It came in at 6'6", 284 and a half.
00:29:26
Speaker
up against, as we mentioned, right jared ah ah Jared Anderson. Anderson has been pegged as the next big thing in heavyweight division, which again, as we mentioned in the conversation before, was at least a prospect that could be hyped up and looked forward to. That being said, he entered with a 17-0 record, 15 knockouts, started out strong, and then met a uppercut from a gargantuan. This dude is like, I mean, he looked like Dalrog from like, I'm going to tell you who he looked like. I'm going to hold on to it. I'm not going to say who he looked like. Okay. All right. All right. Well, do you want to start us off then or do you want to start with Ernest? Go ahead and start with Ernest. Oh man. So yeah, man. Listen, um, I'm, I'm one of, I'm one of three people in our league that, uh, pick Bacoli by K.O.
00:30:20
Speaker
Um, I picked the KO based off, you know, I do film studies, so I picked the KO based off of the previous fight that I saw with, uh, Jared Anderson and, um, Martin. And I saw that Martin was able to stun Jared and Jared, ah he's not the holding type. He's a, he's a type to bite down on it. You know, that's a pride at the ego thing.
00:30:42
Speaker
Um, another thing that I noticed is that Jared doesn't he didn't list. He doesn't listen to the instructions in his corner We've seen a couple of fighters that have come from the top break system kind of be You know a bit combative with their trainers, which is a bad look Um, you're a team you guys are supposed to listen to what you're uh, you're supposed to listen to what your trainers tell you they They they know a bit more or they see things that maybe you can't see So, uh, Boccoli, you know, how do we describe him? I mean, my man's wearing a skirt with no drawls on under these commando. The commando. And, you know, with that, I bag in the pipe, bro. Yo, he was piping my bed. Listen, a big dude like that was fast hands. He didn't, he's like, listen, I'm gonna absorb what he got. I'm a punch when he punches.
00:31:37
Speaker
I can take what he got, but he can't take what I got. He told, he said it. He said, listen, it's different up here. And he was right about that. The dude was avoided. And those of us who studied the sport, we realized that Michael Hunter, um, it, it's the supremely talented guy who went the, who went the rounds with you sick, moved up to heavyweight. He ended up stopping. But Coley, right? He had a shoulder injury.
00:32:04
Speaker
he was unable to defend himself properly when that happened. So, you know, if you didn't know that, then you probably pick an Anderson for the smoke. So um honestly, man, listen, they had they had a hidden weapon. They brought my man over here with the back pipes and he he did the thing on. so dr All right, nyge Skywalker.
00:32:31
Speaker
Oh, man. I'm going to I'm going to get to the fight, man. He's talking about the skirt that he was wearing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. I think it gave you, man, after taking that that knockdown in the first round, he really never recovered from that shit. I think he has heart, man. He showed a lot of heart. He was in there for another four more rounds with the goalie and that fifth, the fifth round, man, he got he scored two more in the knockdown than the knockout and You know, uh, that, that kind of, like you said, it killed, killed our our hope for American heavyweight boxing. You know what I'm saying? oh He was our hope. You know what I'm saying? So, well um, I hope he can bounce back, bro. Actually, man, cause, uh, you know, he was, you know, the best representative for, for America in the heavyweight division. So, uh, kind of room for him. Oh, that's about it, man.
00:33:23
Speaker
I mean, as we mentioned earlier, right, one loss is not is not all of it. And even Turkey, our sheet came up to him afterwards and was like, hey, it's one loss. Get back in the lab, cook it up again, get back out there and show that you are we are going to keep featuring you here on these shows. So he has a spot to fight in going forward. He just needs to get himself back. Right, Josh, your thoughts?
00:33:46
Speaker
real quick shout out to my family drop by my mom even dropped in here. Moo Moo. What up fam? Appreciate y'all. But yeah, so here's the situation. Martin McCauley, he's a guy that the casual boxing fan is not going to know about.
00:34:03
Speaker
That being said, he seems to be the real deal. He knocked off prospect out of France, Tony Yoka. Yoka was expected to do some things in the sport. Mark McCauley went over there, got the job done. He was a bit more battle tested than Jared Anderson, maybe even by a little bit more than just a bit.
00:34:20
Speaker
And I think that a lot of people were basing things off of how Jared Anderson has looked thus far against a again ah lower tier of competition. But I guess you can say that the Charles Martin fight gave us a glimpse of how he might operate in there with a higher level opponent. And Charles Martin, of course, is not someone to write home about, but he was a world champion. However, ma however it may be that he ended up winning the championship now.
00:34:51
Speaker
I will say that Jared Anderson did show a great deal of heart. He landed a ton of good shots on Martin Bacoli, but Mark Bacoli was able to eat those shots. And, you know, he came into it. Jared Anderson, you sitting there hi him one hitting him with everything. And it this guy is still just coming forward. That's got to play on your psyche somewhat. I think that's what may have ultimately got to him.
00:35:14
Speaker
And eventually, you know, you can throw we in the exhaustion piece, all of that. But you know, you're in a 12 round fight. You're in there with this massive dude who not going anywhere. You've hit him with your best shots and he's still marching forward. And if you look at it and they were talking about it on the broadcast, even in Bikoli, for some of those punches, he was it didn't seem that he was really putting a ton into him. He was doing arm punches ah for the most part, and some of those.
00:35:43
Speaker
Just if he sat down on some of those punches in a more definitive manner. And I think that's something that Jared realized and had to cope with. And ultimately, he paid the price for what he was dealing with there. Now, as mentioned, it's not the end of the road for Jared. But as far as Bakoli, I think it was kind of a star making performance for him because people are going to know about him now.
00:36:07
Speaker
there's talk of him potentially taking on John July, the Chinese heavy weight and what could be a low posture type firework fight to be dudes going get it. And so meat I'm all for it. Sign me up for that particular contest right there. But, you know, coming into this fight, I lean slightly towards Jared Anderson, but a lot of debt was just kind of I guess you can say in a little bit of potential, but got to give it to Papi Truongyeo. He was with Bakoli there from the start. And I will say that team that tends to pay off when you think about sort of that experience at that top level, what one is able to do.
00:36:52
Speaker
And we had a podcast a little bit earlier in the week. One of the things that I've always not liked about Jared Anderson is his tendency to kind of just back up from shots as opposed to stepping to the side, things of that nature. And you can solve yeah you could see when he was doing that, that's how he was getting caught. And that's what kind of failed him against Charles Martin as well, just kind of leaning back from shots. And that ultimately came back to bite him. so in the it seems that he knows what he was doing wrong and he could get away with it at a certain level but hey you're in there with the big boys you took this fight and you see what happened right there and the crazy thing is is he was ranked higher than Martin Bacoli but if you look from a resume perspective
00:37:40
Speaker
I think that Bekoli was more battle tested than Jared Anderson. Now, the only thing Jared Anderson had really was the fact that Charles Martin was a former world champion. But that being said, sometimes that can be deceiving right there. And I think that Martin Bekoli is someone to watch regardless of the situation. And sometimes that just that hunger is just different. Congolese right there. i mean You know, the struggle, you know, a lot of the boxers come from a struggle that comes lead struggle. That's a little bit different than a Ohio struggle. You know what I'm saying? So you got a little bit different in you. You know what I'm saying? So that's my two sin. And the crazy part about it. He didn't have a full training camp for that fight.
00:38:28
Speaker
crazy. Wow. this wow yeah And and as you aimed as you mentioned, Josh, he was bare. I mean, not barely, but when he was punching, you could see he was not even going full bore into those punches. And he was still just like this, just fister, just like tree trunks, just like damaging the body and the psyche and the face of of Joshua. And it's scary because, yeah, as you mentioned, I mean, he still still has this kid, still and a kid, but he just grown man still has a lot of potential ah in front of him. And it's kind of like when Rocky was going against Drago and was like trying to punch him, me he just couldn't do anything. It's like anyway, but crazy, crazy fight. But yeah, but Coley proved he is, as was said here, the real deal. Clubber D, round us out on this topic, my friend.
00:39:14
Speaker
Man, ah first I'm gonna scroll back up to my brother's comment because it was hilarious. We'll go right there. Shout out to my brother. i exactly It's not great. It's pretty funny. it a big funny reception with great But um shout out to my mom and brother that were in town recently. Now they're back in a respected place in Florida. So I'll get to rock and roll it. First off,
00:39:37
Speaker
If you guys saw Jared Anderson doing the Harlem Shake and dancing and stuff like that when they were at the press conference, kind of like, it's whatever, the Pecoli got that stone cold like look on his face, like, nah, we're gonna fight. I don't need you and dancing, you know what I'm saying? And what I was gonna say was when Pecoli came out, when he was ready to fight, I swear on everything. I thought that was Kamala fighting a jobber on Saturday morning, WWE superstars.
00:40:02
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i know
00:40:08
Speaker
You're gonna say junkyard dog with Kamala Kamala, you know, I'm saying the way you 20 years old I said this on a you and Bob's were on I think it was you and Bob's Josh you over on and uh but I was like, he gave me a Victor Ortiz vibe, you know what I'm saying? ah yeah Not too long ago when he was like, you know, box is not something I really want to do. I can kind of do whatever. Then he had the was the speeding charge or whatever charge he had. So I feel like when you're 24 and your head's not all the way in the game.
00:40:41
Speaker
this is going to happen, especially like like like you guys mentioned, he doesn't listen to his corner. Shakur Steve was saying, your granddad's telling you something. You're like, no, no, no, no. OK, you know it all. Well, then why are you still fighting? Why have you knocked him out yet since you missed a know it all? All right. So you got to listen to your corner. And and that's the thing like Jared Harris. He's one of his younger guys. He can bounce back. Let's not do the Mayweather effects where you got to be undefeated. Everybody can lose. But this is a point where, you know what?
00:41:04
Speaker
Let me correct myself, all right? I took an L, I should have trained differently, I should have listened to my coaches. Let me let me let me let me ah go back to the drawing board. But I remember I thought that Aaron Sims was gonna win this fight the night before we did ah the the show, Omar. And then the next day, ah ah Josh and Ernest had me on and we interviewed the fly shot to him for winning in his his ah his fight, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, you, right? Jeffrey, you shot.
00:41:30
Speaker
man don't fly man shot to him. He won his fight on Saturday night up here in D.C. But ah you know, I saw but Coley stuff in between. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. But Coley might have a chance of knocking knock this dude out. So, you know, i Coley's a a force we're working with wrecking with. I would love to see him fight gang. But Anderson, back to his wrong board. He can bounce back. Yeah, a club. Remember, I call that Clarissa knockout, too. Didn't I tell you what I did? You sure did. You sure did.
00:41:59
Speaker
No, you're stupid. Come on.
00:42:10
Speaker
on the mu on You have had a cajun coming after you now. They don't think it's all respect. It's all respect. It's all respect. I'm trying to talk about Madam President.
00:42:26
Speaker
No, I was talking about a wrestler from the 80s, bro. Right. Right. Right. Right. If i didn't if i didn't know the kind I didn't know the context of the conversation, I definitely would have thought that. Because when he first said it, I was like, what? And then I was like, oh, never mind. We're talking boxing. I know what you're talking about. but You guys aren't here to vote for Donald Trump. Be quiet while I'm talking.
00:42:49
Speaker
but Dirty nails. Let's go. Actually, that gives us a point. We should probably stop and say what's up to everybody in the comments. They're coming through hot and heavy. I'm sorry about that. Appreciate y'all. Appreciate y'all. Keep them coming. So shout out. Rock Chalk. Shout out Zeb Winery. Shout out. Let's see. Al Ra. 0-5-10. Shout out. Who we got here? Tony the Savant. Shout out, brother. Jerry Ferreira. Marcia, we said shout out. Trey Titan. 1-7-6. Yes. Trey Titan. And we got A1.
00:43:21
Speaker
Hc shout out young young Hitta. Shout out. Hermo genius tambuena shout out. um Elizabeth Gilbert Moss Amelia who they're coming in hot and heavy. I can't even carry car keep up. We already shouted out Derek just bars. Just do boxing up now.
00:43:49
Speaker
Hey, wow. Shout out to everybody who has tuned in thus far. We all really appreciate it. yeah Make sure you're subscribing to all of the channels up here. Ball and Buzz, 86Boxing, Skywalker, Bloxayo, Poppy, Chuneyo. Make sure you subscribe to everybody's channels. Cool? All right, awesome.
00:44:09
Speaker
Well, that was that was a really um that was a really good chat about that and giving very good insight into what we're going to see in the future from Bekole and Anderson. and Yeah, come back come back, Anderson. You got this, brother. You got this. All right. Let's move on to... Uh, one fight that y'all really wanted to talk about and y'all were talking about before we jumped on live is the David Morrell fight, right?
David Morrell's Move to 175 lbs: Power Question
00:44:35
Speaker
Moving up in weight. So obviously, um, he did, he has 26 years old, um, spent the first four years, uh, climbing the ranks at 168, unable to get a fight with Canelo as are, you know, most people in this world these days, ah bennefias um,
00:44:56
Speaker
But he was the target ah he was the target choice for real. um For the light heavyweight gatekeeper here, I'm not even going to try to butcher his name. um So I'm not even going to do it. Home hot rod. There you go. I like that. Thank you. Thank you, Clever D. Hot rod. ah So what do we think about this? Morel did earn the decision. ah But, um you know, against 168,
00:45:21
Speaker
How are his shots going to play out if he if he if he wants to keep moving up to you know sturdier opposition at even 175? I don't know that that would play the way that he thinks it will. So Clubber D, let's start with you. We'll go back around. Well, he looked he looked like normal David Morrell, AKA the twin of Aaron Judge. He was just like him. He really does. Oh, my God. He looks really good. I mean, good Lord.
00:45:46
Speaker
but i It was weird because he looked good in the early rounds and then he kind of gassed. Hot Rod's not a not a slouch. Hot Rod, he has suspect loss against Marcus Brown. um He's a good fighter at at ah one at a light heavyweight. but um I feel like this fight was kind of like similar to David Benavidez when he moved up, ah when his person against um at light heavyweight. And Morell showcased a little bit what he could do, but he also showcased what he needs to work on. ah Ronnie Shields, that's his trainer, right? Ronnie Shields was yelling at him like, like what what are you doing? Like, come on. like it's He was gassed from like round
00:46:24
Speaker
I don't wanna say maybe eight or nine until the end. He was just gassed, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know if it's a training, if it's a new weight, cuz once you move up in weight, you gotta see how you hold that weight. And Earnest, I looked at Earnest, he has like 2% body fat and those all that stuff. I gotta pick his brain on how the hell you train like that. But ah you know what I'm saying? its It's one of those things where I don't think the weight, I think he needs to go back down to 168.
00:46:48
Speaker
It's just not the things he was doing at this weight class. It didn't work and and hot rod hot rods a decent fighter and You know, he was looking good towards the end but dim rail got the win but um, it's just to me it's it's really a Issue of boxing the way that he's WBA regular champion for so long and then he has to move up To try to do something when Canelo just ignored him, but now when Canelo was fight for Langa He wants to fight the WBA regular champion, but that's another story for another day. But he had morel, lackluster, but you know, he got the dub. He got the dub. It was a unanimous decision. I forgot to give you the the fight scores and it was a 118 110 and two 117 111. So Josh, tell us your thoughts.
00:47:33
Speaker
Well, I thought the cards were a bit wider than what the actual fight was. So what I think this comes down to is its experience. And of course, Morrell, I think he had about 10 fights coming into it. ah collija he had 20 plus, uh, maybe be closer to that 30 marks somewhere in there. Uh, can't remember the exact number, but that being said, he's also battle tested. That's one of the things just because you don't know the name doesn't mean that this person isn't capable. You have to kind of understand where he came from. causelaja He last fought on pro box and he had a good showing in that regard. But if you really look at his record, break it down, he's been in with some top level names and he lost a close decision to.
00:48:19
Speaker
Marcus Brown in a fight that some it was a split decision. Some thought that he won that and of course he lost to archer better bf who is for the most part either one or two as far as the light heavyweights here in the world and this is the this was the debut for David Morrell and as far as Morrell is concerned, especially as it relates to this fight. I view Morrell as one of those guys that has everything you just asked for you can counter punch. He has a power speed. He has the footwork.
00:48:48
Speaker
has the IQ and all that stuff but that doesn't necessarily mean you can put it all together and put on the performance that you need and this was one of the first times I would say that we saw where David Morrell wasn't able to put everything together in the manner that he needed to be able to deal with a veteran who was savvy enough to know and understand his distance. Also with Morrell moving up, he was going up against a bigger guy. I mean, Kalijak is 6'3", longer fighter there, and he's been operating at that weight. And for Morrell, a lot of the headhunting that he was doing wasn't necessarily what was going to get him to where he needed to be.
00:49:28
Speaker
He needed to probably focus a bit more on the body. And Kalaijic, I thought he did did a great job of maintaining the distance that worked for him, especially in the latter portion of the fight where you saw him have success. And as for Morrell, he was kind of just stalking forward. He had his guard up, but he wasn't throwing a ton. And he was getting caught with some clean shots from Kalaijic, especially some straight shots that kind of just right in between that guard or whatnot.
00:49:53
Speaker
And this was a learning lesson for Morrell. I think he needed that. He was on he was and still is, you can say, on a pretty high trajectory. This doesn't you know push him down or push him back or in any capacity. It interesting as far as the weight. It seems that he will continue to operate at 175 pounds and would have been ideal.
00:50:14
Speaker
if he could have gotten more competition there at 168 pounds. So he was cleaning up the individuals he was facing, but he's going to be a bit more tested and he's not going to be that bigger guy here at 175. And I think this is going to be something he'll have to cope with and make adjustments on his end. And one of the things with ah a lot of the Cuban fighters, of course, they have that pedigree that goes back, but We of course got to come in there with the right game plan, the right focus and being able to put that together. Cause we seen top level. Pedigrees from amateurs who from, from that Cuban system and they weren't able to do such. And I think this was just one of those situations where I think he deserved to win for sure. And the hot ride made it tough for him, especially with his footwork. Hot white hot ride, I say his footwork and his bouncing, he was just good with that distance. He stayed at the right range for him there.
00:51:12
Speaker
especially in that latter portion. In Morrell, at that point, he needed to change some things up. He needed to not just kind of stalk and look for those head shots. And that's, I think, where he likely failed right there and putting combinations together in a better manner using his jab.
00:51:29
Speaker
as well, not you're really focusing on that in the contest. But he can certainly bounce back from me. He's still a young guy. He can improve. As far as Hot Rod, I don't think this did him an injustice. He's still a name that is gonna be out there. And I wouldn't be surprised if we see him in with some other top level names at 175. As far as Morrell, I did see something alluding to him potentially being matched up with David Benavidez. The validity of such, I don't know. But hey, if that happens, then I think that's an interesting contest right there.
00:51:58
Speaker
And love her based on what we saw in this contest, I've certainly leaned David Benavidez, but hey, time will tell. And just to answer this, he is 29 and three now is what is cited on the Internet as his record show. By the way, it also suddenly suspended by the California Athletic Commission until August 10th. Obviously, yeah that can't be true because he was fought a couple of days ago, though. So I'm not sure. Yeah, that's kind of standard. Sometimes they do that after certain fights or whatever. And some of the precautions automatically have some form of suspicion or suspension at least 30 days or something of that nature. But yeah, a lot of that they need to update basically to catch up essentially. OK, awesome. Skywalker, your thoughts? My thoughts. so
00:52:52
Speaker
And at super middleweight man, he was cleaning out the division. He looked strong. Uh, he almost killed a guy in Idaho, Sierra bus and Nellie almost put him in ah a medical year. He put him in a medically induced coma. Oh, you yeah. We were thinking this guy's a boogie man, you know, and, uh, you know, he's, he's Cuban. So he has the the Cuban footwork, you know, uh, I think that, that really helped out with this fight.
00:53:14
Speaker
Uh, you know, his, his putt fight, man. He was gettin by hot rod. I seen, uh, yelling at him in the co working, uh, the banal Leo top rank card this w operate so i ran into Uh, Ronnie Schultz today and I asked him that question. So let me show you the video. It's right before I came on the show. I was at the press press conference, but uh, I don't know if you can hear it.
00:53:43
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in act like alicer tonight one
00:53:52
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Yeah, I can't really hear that. You can't hear it. You can't hear it too great now. No. Oh, there you go. That's a little better.
00:54:07
Speaker
and uh it's all that matters. He won the fight. He won the best. Legendary trainer right there. Legendary. Yes, he did. Yes, indeed. Yeah, he's got a fighter uh Vito Mill Nikki Junior. He's fighting uh this Saturday on top rank. So, Vito Mill Nikki. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Good. Good interview there. What are your thoughts on this? Man, let's go ahead and just get to the elephant in the room first. I got it. You got it.
00:54:38
Speaker
You can't address this without addressing cherry picking as Canelo Alvarez. you right not and no pen Canelo has, has just bad for boxing. All right. He's good for business for the Mexican fans and the people that love him, but he's bad for boxing because the commissions are going to do what he wants versus them forcing their own rules.
00:55:07
Speaker
So we've seen several careers get dragged on, trying to get fights with him. What we know about him is he's taken the easiest pick he can take for the bread. Somebody passed out there before it worked. So he's following it. We can't be mad at it, but if he's not going to take the fights that he needs to be taken, he got to go. Now the fight with morel and, um, hot rod, right?
00:55:37
Speaker
We can call this athleticism versus experience. How Rod does, he fights in the European classic European style. And although athleticism wasn't used, David Morrell is far more athletic, far more gifted with the feet. He didn't use his tools. He went up away class, right? Him going up away class. Well, we got to contrast what him and David Benavidez did.
00:56:05
Speaker
David Benavidez hit his opponent with everything in the kitchen sink and couldn't get him out of there. It's heavier, but David looked better than Morell did at that weight based off of David's activity. I think if Morell had to have more activity and use his athleticism, he could have set up the shots that could have stopped Hot Rod. All right. Too many laws in action. You know, it seems as if i love cuban don't get me wrong but it seems as if they're you know they fall in love with style points you hit somebody they you know they raise and a hand yeah and you know they look um off in the crowd we get to work boy You got to stop on them after you look through damage is not let's get this one punch in and go raise my hand look off to the side You know I'm saying that's not how we do it over here You got to get to work and earn that credit that you that you're looking for all right um so basically I feel I feel as though I
00:57:10
Speaker
ah David Morrell is a stoop. He's a super talented dude. He didn't listen to his corner but That seems like that's the thing with these with these new guys. You can't tell them nothing, you know, they get nice feelings, but yeah Listen to your trainers. They know best Get more active, use your jab, use your athleticism. You're more athletic than everybody else. Your power does work. Yeah, they do hit harder. Maybe don't get hit with the same shots over and over again. Now let's give it up to my guy, Hot Rod, right? Hot Rod, what beats speed? Timing, right? So Hot Rod got enough pop and he has some excellent timing.
00:57:56
Speaker
and my man David couldn't figure out why to get away from man. I come in there and I got a small concussion. So David, that's why he's on. That's why he's on the time out. My man got a couple of concussions. No, he got a couple of more notches of the CTE belt out of there. But I bet you I bet you he put some respect on anybody else at 170. Sure does. The hair like I push back to so.
00:58:26
Speaker
It ain't all bells and whistles, man. Y'all knock them off until you knock them off. Y'all knock all this off. and this and when you And when you were talking about Canelo, all I could think of was just yelling, say it louder for the people in the back, please, because Canelo is just ducking every which way for a year, upon year, upon decade. It's coming on like a decade now.
00:58:53
Speaker
that that I'm on record saying who was going to pick. I said he was going to pick Burlanga. Burlanga is the most inexperienced out of all of you and the most vulnerable. And I said after Burlanga and Billy would be the next one because he's defensively irresponsible. He don't want nobody that got activity. You know what I mean? He just that's not his style. That's hilarious. You say that. Look at the comment that just came in below.
00:59:23
Speaker
yeah go bill Yeah. No, man. Y'all forgot. You know, I was getting ready to go fight Macaboo. It was it. Yeah, I remember that. And he had got that belt. Man, they would have had all the way up. Canelo baptizing a baby. If he had a one up there. Oh, he got it. He got it. Oh, my God. Oh, brian he would have so many restrictions on that. Oh, no. get like um I don't want to butt Cropper Canelo fight man. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want that. much I don't want to fight David Benavidez. That's what he needs to freaking fight right there. so I just never like that. fight too much the But 154 should be it.
01:00:08
Speaker
Yeah. Salute. Nobody wants to see that. Wait. No. Respectfully. But I just love but like I've been on but Paul's I've been on I've been a fan of but for a while. Wowzer. I used to like I said Paul I paused it. Well, the issue of bug though, what was what I used to like er or ah Earl Spence, especially when we went over and fought Carol Burke. I was like, okay, he's going to order that out. But when I saw that video of him saying, oh, I'm taking an easy route or you fight on the other side, I lost all respect for Earl Spence right there. No doubt about this game here. Yeah, at least say you want to fight him and then let the promoters block you. Don't just say it right in front of him. Hey, you know, I'm going to go to ease around and fight Danny guards. Okay. All right. We're done. I don't need to.
01:00:51
Speaker
I can't rock at you no more. Okay. It's the fighting game. Not the, not the, you found the other side of the street game. So there may not be enough of a reason to not fuck with them because there is a business side to boxing that we don't talk about enough.
01:01:05
Speaker
There is a build up to it. And I think that if casual fans had a better understanding of the business side of boxing, you know, a promoter, you're not going to, you're not going to have a guy on your team that you don't want to push. So I think we'll understood that. There is a business side, but you got to put it like as a fighter, the fighter should say, I want to, like Fondora said, when he beat, uh, Tim zoo, he was like, yes, I want to fight bud knowing.
01:01:31
Speaker
PVC is not going to let that happen, or a trainer is not going to let that happen. But as a fighter, you should at least vocalize it and say, yes, I won't do that. Not, I won't take the easy route out. Or, hey, you fight on the other side of the street. I don't want to hear that from a fighter. I'd rather hear that from a promoter. That's where i where I heard that from from Earl. i was like Okay, I see what we're doing. I see what we're doing. You said the quiet part out loud. Yeah, exactly. There's like Javante and Tara, a farmer back in the day. They was about to fight at the NGM up here when I forgot. Oh, yeah. We were both out there. I saw that. Yeah. I was up there for that fight. And they, you know, he was like, oh, well, they don't want Philly and D and Merritt and Baltimore going, ah, dah, dah, dah. I was like, no, I'll carry it. Farmers right here, fight him.
01:02:16
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people. Uh we'll find somebody flat foot and doesn't look have the same complexion as you. But hey, you know, they built a tank, you know, is what my tank might have knocked that eyeball straight. That mug. He'd have been walking there in one. Oh, he was blinking like what? Hey,
01:02:35
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and we that's one thing we can say. That boy, the power is real. It's real. They got it. They got it for sure. They got it for sure. so Shout out, JustBoz. Shout out. Y'all do some good interviews on Sunday. Y'all do some good interviews.
01:02:57
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yes we but everybody tuning in again. Make sure you are subscribing to all of the great people on this channel at Ball and Butch at eighty-six boxing at Skywalker Box sale and at Poppy. Yay y'all and don't forget Clubber D. Tick tock. Clubber. Thank you all for tuning in. We appreciate it. Alright.
Spotlight on Andy Cruz and Fast-Tracking Athletes
01:03:16
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So, while we move to the co-mate and main event, there was obviously someone we need to talk about as y'all We're talking 2020 Olympic gold medalist, Andy Cruz, ah with KO victory in round seven over, yes, 31-year-old gay cape gatekeeper, excuse me, Antonio Maran. But he showed his pedigree, ah fast hands, quick feet, ah ring IQ. So what are our thoughts on this fighter here? We'll start with you, Poppy.
01:03:51
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All right. Listen, man. I've got a pleasure of meeting Andy Cruz at the, um, the boots fight. Um, listen, man. Uh, I think, you know, out all of all the, the, the new Cubans that are, that are out here right now, I think he has the most potential out of all of them. He's training in an amazing camp. He listens to what his coach says. You know what I'm saying? And I believe he, he is it. So Andy Cruz.
01:04:20
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He was in there with a tough dude. Now, if y'all don't know, this is the guy that it took. Devin, Devin Haney got a cold knockout on this guy. It was a seventh round and he also got a knockout seventh. Um, he faced a little bit of adversity. He had to figure some things out.
01:04:39
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And what he learned is listening to Bozy, you can hear him, you can hear him. Bozy was like, hey, stay right there. Hey, when you hit him with that, when you hit him with that stick, go again, go again.
01:04:54
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yeah hit He's he's training him out of that amateur style. He's getting into no, let's not let's not boo-boo and then yeah i got Right. He does do that. You'll catch him styling a little bit. He does do that But ultimately he's he's breaking that habit and he's listening to his coach which is our our respect and ah I mean I don't know what else to say about the old boy other than he said he Kishon Davis' daddy and I think Kishon. I'm in Hampton, bro. You right across the water. and don't body You don't let nobody tell you they they owe daddy. What is his name? andrew hu Andy Cruz-Davis?
01:05:38
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no right well you knock get hiding in the bottom there bro Go get your pro, go get your professional win. He got you twice in the amateurs, maybe three times, but go get your wind back, bro. We need to see that. Yeah, no doubt. Skywalker, your thoughts. Andy Cruz look really good. A lot of people be giving him criticism because, you know, he's a little bit older. It took him a while to defect from Cuba to get here.
01:06:06
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But it's very special, very talented, amazing pedigree, gold medalists, you know what I'm saying? They got him over here. He's in ah and one of the best camps with Bozianas. I know his strength and conditioning coach real well, Altaf Rakmatula. And this guy's like a doctor, scientist with his athletes, ah boots, one of them. He also does cool boy step. He has Stacia, Suddles, we just interviewed just recently.
01:06:33
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We talk about one of the best ah strength and conditioning coaches, man. They monitor their sleeping patterns. They want to get the most out of their athletes, man. And we talk about these guys are like scientists. So it's one of the best camps. Bozy, amazing coach. So I think they need to fast track him, bro. I think he deserves it. There is some history to why it took him so long to come here.
01:06:57
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you know, and a lot of it's politics, you know, Cuba and stuff like that. You gotta make sacrifices to come out here. You gotta leave family behind. So pretty cool, man. I think the sky's the limit for him. I hope he gets that fight with Kishan Davis or, you know, gets a shot soon.
01:07:18
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Yeah. And here we go. Sean, Sean wants revenge. I bet. So, uh, boss, Josh, your thoughts on it. Hey, what I will say, I'm going to say it right now. You can get it on record. Top 10 fight in boxing, Andy Cruz versus Keisha Davis. I mean, everything is boiling up to that. That's a top 10 fight in the sport right there that I want to see.
01:07:42
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And what I'll say, I don't understand why anyone would criticize Andy Groves. I mean, this is only his fourth fight and he's a prospect, but I think he graduated from that with his victory over Moran who comes in with a lot of experience. Matter of fact, Showbox or not Showbox, but Probox, they did a tournament.
01:08:00
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I think it was earlier this year, late last year maybe, and Moran ended up winning that tournament. I think it was like $50,000 on the line, or $75,000 somewhere in that nature right there. Moran handled it with, basically to say, kid gloves in some sense because he walked through the competition. He has experience. He can box. I was at that fight where he lost to Devin Haney, got caught with a huge shot.
01:08:24
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And I can tell you he's the real deal. And coming into this, I thought it would go to distance because I thought that Marin would be able to stand the overall test during that period. My man Cruz found a way to get the job done and Moran was a bigger guy, a little bit longer. I think he had an inch on him in reach, but he was a bigger guy just in general. And you got to give Cruz props. He did what he needed to do as far as being able to get to victory. And I believe it was like around the fifth round where Cruz actually got caught with a shot to the door errant right hand.
01:09:00
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that he probably shouldn't have thrown and it was a little bit reckless and he got caught and so he had to battle through that adversity right there and that's what you want to see okay you got caught he was able to tie up he was able to regain his feet and we saw him move forward to victory and I like the fact that he teamed with Bozy Ennis you know because we think about when I look at him, I was like one of the guys like he looks different. You know what I'm saying? He looks different and you really have to understand him with the naked eye there you see him in the ring looks different and I think that that's what cruises was seeing and he knows he comes with this pedigree and this is what's going to elevate him take him to the top right here and I think he's getting to that point for sure.
01:09:47
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I think he's a force to be reckoned with there at 135 pounds, given that he doesn't have a number of fights right now. He's a dark horse, I guess you can say. But I think that his true light will shine here as time goes on. And I want to see him against Kishon Davis at some point. That fight has to happen. Oh. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Clubber D. Your thoughts?
01:10:13
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Yeah, I mean, first of all, I want to kind of caveat what what Ernest was saying about, you know, he was doing a lot of amateur style. And if I'm right, Ernest, the amateur style, amateur style is more just pop shotting and, you know, do one shot. Boom. Look at me. One shot. Look at me. One shot. Look at me. He was doing like that. There you go. And he adjusted. And the fact that he's with Jeron, who's in his father, he's he's training out there and Philly is helping him out immensely. And It's weird, though. So he's a very decorated amateur gold medalist. He beat Kishan in the Olympics, got the gold medal. Kishan got the silver. Got two gold medals, I'm sorry. Remember when Loma came over? He got a tower shot with his third or second fight or whatever, second fight? You pass, yeah. Nope. People said this a lot about fighters that have a certain complexion and are from Cuba. They don't get treated the same way.
01:11:12
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if you know what I'm saying. Will you say something right there, boy? You know what I'm saying? Skywalk. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're if you're a certain fighter with a complexion that uses cocoa butter, you might not get promoted to get a title shot in your second fight. Yeah. But others can.
01:11:30
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right. And I'm just going to leave it at that. And Cruz is either they're they're doing they're they're they're hopefully they're fast tracking him to gold as far as a belt at 135. But you know, he has key shot. That's a big fight. You know, another belt holders are probably going to look at him. We're going to fight him at this point, but I would love to see the Kishan fight when Kishan confronted Tia Fimo who's at 140. Tia Fimo was like, you still got business with Andy Cruz. So what are you talking to me for? So I'm wondering how that's going to play out, but that ends the fight that us
01:12:06
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underground boxing lover fans want to see. And yes, I think that is a top 10 fight. Hell, even a top, I'll say top seven or eight, maybe six fight that we would want to see right now, but we'll go that route. Who knows? I'm just very curious to how they're going to push him moving forward. Him being, you know, his highly decorated amateur. What's the next step? He show that he can knock people out. He can go to distance. So what more is there to see?
01:12:33
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You guys put that point that he made about fast tracking people who have had extensive amateur careers. All right. Can we all, can we all for a minute acknowledge that Phoenix exists in every sport? Sometimes you get baseball players, basketball, Phoenix exists. You know, they, they're, they was born to do what it is that they're doing boots is one of those guys.
01:12:59
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You know, he's a fiend, in my opinion. The UK had a heavyweight kid. He's 19 years old and he just slept a guy who had never been slept before. I can't remember what his name is, but he wanted to beat Mike Tyson's record. And when you're listening and watching the fights,
01:13:20
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Everybody's like, oh, no, it's too young. We don't want to we don't want to him. No, we don't want to push him. It's like, what are you talking about, bro? You actually got somebody here right now that's ready to go to work and go pushing the same guys the same way you will push somebody else that maybe the complexion.
Racial Dynamics and Bias in Boxing Promotions
01:13:39
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This is a sport. You know, anything in the world that brings people together is music and sports. We like to dance. We like to compete.
01:13:50
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We don't equal, man. Let's let's go, man. We need this for the sport. We want to see the next Mike Tyson. We want to see that a young boy challenge. Yeah. So, they ready for it. Let them cook, man. That's what we want. Canelo. They push Canelo. Right. That's right. Let them cook. You guys think that he made the right choice because he could have went with any promotion that he wanted. He could have went to golden boy. He could have went to top ring. Think by going through match room, is that the best promotion to push him?
01:14:17
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I don't know if Golden Boy is the best for people his complexion. No. I knew that was coming. Yeah, he's match room. I'll say this by match room. They do their best to try to promote us. Boots had a good turnout. AJ, I don't know if you want to count over there, but out of my match room, I thought out, Adam, well, I mean,
01:14:45
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They all the same. I'm telling you, if I say this, you, you might've been thinking before, but didn't really realize it. Bro, would they be putting black dudes in the ring over there? They'd be getting them South Africans. Some dudes be like 38 and old with 37 knockouts.
01:15:05
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Yo, everybody they putting a ring over there that seems like they're black. You'd be wanting to say, Oh man, he getting ready to cook him. And he gets, I don't know where they be finding these dudes at bro. And he's, listen, if I'm Shakur, I'm not signing with not don't do it, bro. It's some, something is up. I feel it.
01:15:31
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I put it on record and I, something's up. You got a point. Okay. All right. Well, Trey Titan asks, what is the opinion on Davis versus Vargas? Anyone want to start us off here? Which Vargas and what? What Davis we're talking about.
Izak Cruz vs. Jose Valenzuela Fight Analysis
01:15:55
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He's going to get back to that, back to us on that. Okay. So we'll talk a little bit.
01:16:04
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We got some uh we got some mailbag questions and a little bit as well after the fights and so we'll talk a little bit more about Shakur. But let's move on to the co-main event. This was obviously The favorite coming in, at least by the crowd for sure, if nothing else, was Izak, excuse me, as Cleverty has told me plenty of times, Izak Cruz going up against Jose Valenzuela. And so here we had a final score of
01:16:40
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116, 112 on two cards and then 113, 115 for Cruz. So it was a split decision victory of a Valenzuela. The 115, 113 card was a little suspect, but at least in my feelings, what do y'all feel about this fight? Let's go ahead and start off with you, Clubber D.
01:17:05
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Yeah, I thought, uh, uh, Rio, he, he put on a great, good performance. You know what I'm saying? I actually thought he's gonna get knocked out. And, um, this is the reason why, uh, people avoided Shakur Stevenson when he had a chance to fight him, you know, um, earlier a couple of years ago, he had a chance to fight him, but he chose not to. And Rio put on a great performance as far as moving laterally, being a slick boxer. I actually thought that people would knock him out cause his head was in the air cause Rio has a thing with keeping his head in the air, chin to air.
01:17:35
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But yeah, he looked good. I'm happy that he won. I became a bigger fan, the second fight for Chris Colbert, because the way Chris Colbert was talking to all that junk, and then he put him in the afterlife. He thought he took the ring off, so he's put the ring on with Frodo. He was in Neverland. I don't know what he was doing when he ran out. Frodo! He was face down, you know what I'm talking about. When Ryan would knock him out. On the sectionals. I'm a fan that he got his just due in Pitbull.
01:18:05
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Never adjusted and that check hook he was catching them with when he did when he buckled, you know I'm saying he was about to do the Tootsie roll You know I'm saying that that shows you what type of fighter he is. But yeah Go go. Uh, well, I'll I'm a fan Okay, Josh.
01:18:25
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Oh We can't hear you Josh muted maybe a little low no carry
01:18:34
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Oh, look, got me now. There we go. There we go. I'm meeting myself, I guess.
Pitbull Cruz's Fighting Style and Career Prospects
01:18:38
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I'm not the new master. I did that to myself, but anyway, leading into this contest, I actually had picked in the prediction league there, Ernest. I picked Valenzuela via stoppage late in the contest, but But that didn't happen, as we know, but I thought that he would be able to pick off Pitbull because Pitbull, what you're going to see is pretty much one gear and that's going to be 100 miles per hour. He's going to be charging for it and he's going to be throwing them things right there. And if you ain't ready to deal with that type of mayhem, then yeah, you can end up on the back end. And I think Rollie wasn't ready to deal with that type of mayhem.
01:19:16
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So Valenzuela thought he fought a good fight. He actually boxed on paper. This was supposed to be the fight of the night right here. And they're really touting it up as such. But when you choose to use your size length,
01:19:30
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And factor that in with your skill that shows you what you can happen. Now Pitbull was able to land some pretty solid shots from overall perspective. But that being said, I didn't think he did enough to get the victory. So I thought that Valenzuela earned that victory. And while it might not have been as pleasing from a crowd perspective, he did what he had to do to come in there and make the adjustment that he needed to get the victory.
01:19:56
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I don't think it's the end of the road for pit bull crews. Of course, this was his second fight at 140 pounds. And ideally given his stature at five foot four, which he has been, I mean, it's not like that's gonna change. 135 might be where he's better suited. And I know that a lot of the discussions had been around him and Tank Davis fighting for a second time.
01:20:22
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And I'm going to reckon and say that I think tank stops him in a second fight. I'll just go ahead and say that. Valenzuela is one of those guys his record doesn't alarm you he's still fresh as far as total amount of fights but you can say that he's been tested for sure at this point and I'm not surprised that he got the victory when you have certain advantages genetically then you just gotta use them and sometimes some guys can't figure out how to actually use them and he was able to figure out how to actually use them so
01:20:58
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Big shout out to Jose Valenzuela. I want to see what's next for him. 140 pounds is practically wide open at this particular point. So a lot of great fights can be made there. And I wouldn't mind seeing him in there with a multitude of fighters, Josh Taylor, Arna Barboza, you name it. I think that they make for pretty solid fights just from overall perspective.
01:21:26
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As we go on thinking about this fight, do we think that Pitbull even got exposed by Slicker Boxers? Think about that as well, possibly if you have anything on that. Scott Walker. I actually predicted this fight, man. I've been following Royal for a while. He was with the Benavidez camp before he switched over to Robert Garcia for this fight.
01:21:48
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He had a controversial loss to Chris Colbert. He got knocked out. Edwin de los Santos, like it was in the third round. He got knocked out. So he came off with two losses. He had a comeback win with Chris Colbert. You know what I'm saying? Cause the first fight, I believe you won that fight. Uh, I see cruise man, people cruise. I really thought, you know, if anything, they were going to rob, they were going to rob, uh, they're going to rob Ryan because They're trying to make the tank Davis fight again, right? That was an entertaining fight. You know, he had a messed up hand that fight as well. And, uh, people cruise that put in that work, but tank couldn't throw really with his, with his broken hand. You know what I mean? He was more, you know, south boxing them and, uh, people cruise. I believe his last fight against Giovanni Cabrera had a scored to where Giovanni, they didn't even call a knockdown in the fight, man. Giovanni scored knockdown. I had.
01:22:39
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I had Giovanni Cabrera beating Pippo Cruz the fight prior, you know, last July. That was on the Aerospence Bud Crawford cart. And so I actually predicted it, man. It was a good fight. He used his feet, you know, to self-box him. He don't have no head movement, bro. Pippo don't really have a, you know, head doesn't have, he has no neck. So, you know, I don't know if he can move or don't get it.
01:23:07
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Yeah, bro. He's head movement. You know, you gotta have head movement, man. You gotta be able to move. You could be tough, you know, if you got a guy that's standing stationary, people's the beast. You know, he's gonna fuck you up. He did that with Jesse Magdaleno. He pulled the mini Mike Tyson. That's why they, you know, he got all the hype, you know, the Magdaleno fight. He got him in the corner and started wrecking him. But, uh, yeah, man, I think, uh,
01:23:29
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Not saying that he's a hype train. I think he's a good fighter for certain opponents, but if you're a slick fighter and you got feet, you're going to whoop Pippa Cruz's ass, man. You know what I'm saying? Rob. You know, I did Giovanni Cabello. They robbed his ass, you know? So that's my thoughts. Papa, your thoughts? All right. Let's get to it. Let me tell you, we'll do some numbers here, right? So there's 130 million.
01:23:58
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976 000 and some change 130 million this is say 131 million mexicans there's 40 million black americans so with 131 million mexicans who love fighting and love boxing This is what you're going to get. They're going to hand it to that audience because they need the bread to come in. You know what I'm saying? And don't nobody, don't nobody support their culture and back their culture and like Latin X all Latin people, some, you know, some European countries, they go real hard. You know, Europe, they start singing about, they just start busting out in the song in the middle of sports everywhere. 131 million. Right. So that's a lot of Mexicans. So.
01:24:52
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Um, now let's just get to it. All right. I just like Skywalker. I had Cabello. I had, I picked Giovanni pre-fight to beat him.
01:25:07
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But I didn't take into consideration that there was 131 million Mexicans that wanted to see tanking him get back at it I didn't consider that so they the boy, right? So I did pick um, I did pick uh el rio by split decision and I got it right Um,
Corruption and Bias in Boxing Judging
01:25:25
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it shouldn't have been split division. It should have been unanimous position. So what do you do?
01:25:30
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I mean, y'all seeing cartoons, right? What do you do to somebody that's five foot two and or you know, like little can't be reaching. You tell me that you've got your hand. Yeah.
01:25:49
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So let's give it up to right off for the first ticket to the game plan He slipped up at the end and didn't follow it and his coach got on his ass about it Shout out to his coach for blay. Listen, man, you don't do that You don't need to be doing that touch the boy up get out of the way pit bull is one-dimensional He's probably a weight bully If you ask me, 140 was too big for him. He had no business going up there, but everybody knew that Rollie was the easy pickings. Just like him was the easy pickings. People going to get that belt so they can get some clout. Um, unfortunately the boys never develop. He's got one style. Um, I mean, I liked him when he was at 135. I liked him 40 was, but we need to stop making people famous for losing to tank.
01:26:40
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What other sport does somebody become more famous for losing to somebody? Not only did Tank have one hand, you couldn't hit Tank because he had footwork and he was stabbing you up with the right when he was missing. People have gas tank issues. If you can't hit somebody and you swing it for the fences and you miss, you get tired.
01:27:06
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right? He's got your gas tank issues. He doesn't know how to cut the ring off properly. He does some dirty thing, punches behind the head. He punches in the thighs. He punches in the hips. He does some dirty stuff. So again, shout out to El Rio. Great game plan. Way to son him. Send them back. Send them back to the starting blocks. Maybe back to 135. And that's how I feel about it. I'm sorry. That scorecards was awful.
01:27:36
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Yeah, terrible. Yeah, terrible. And that's gonna be the theme if we continue it. And so that was my follow up question. So thank you for that, Papi. So what do we think about, go around the home real quick about that score for 113, 115 for Pitbull and also just a general It seems like every time there's a big fight, we are seeing some outrageous, and especially in these Riyadh season fights over in Saudi Arabia, there's always someone with a wild score that is just like so abnormal from the rest of what everybody else is thinking. So what do we think about, just in general, about this sort of trend that we're seeing? Anyone? Two words. Adelaide Bird, 114.
01:28:27
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114 Canelo, Mayweather. Whoo. Huh? Did not do that. 114, 114. Hey, we keep it. We keep it loaded and cocked over here. You feel me? It happens, man. We see, we see that organizations are They're they're corrupt. You got people who are promoting fights. They're paying judges off and all of us are out here with each other when it's we shouldn't be fighting with each other. You got to point the finger at the refs, the promoters, the referees.
Politics and Financial Influence in Boxing
01:29:09
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You feel so. Yeah, let me jump in. I will say this from that terrible the Mayweather Canella fight you just mentioned.
01:29:21
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from the Olympics, War Jones Jr. in 1988, to Floyd Mayweather, and it was at 96 in Atlanta, to even UFC. The scorecards are awful, and it's these, the commissions that hire these judges, you know what I'm saying? And it's across the board, terrible. And that's what, we should have known something when we saw Big Baby and Ruiz get a draw.
01:29:50
Speaker
We should know the hometown cooking was there. We shouldn't own it. Yeah. You have to talk about the mob influence. You have to talk about the mob influence. You have to talk about Vegas. Cause anytime they're gambling and people's money's on the line, you have people that want to control what's happening or to gain an advantage. These are the things that you get. So you have to eliminate some of these things in order to get it back to fair and square.
01:30:31
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Not everyone who is judging is watching on a consistent basis like we are. Not everyone who is judging is as versed in the sport on a consistent basis like we are. So we need individuals like yourselves that are involved with the sport, that are officials, that are judges, et cetera. And I will say that it's not always the case, interestingly enough.
01:31:00
Speaker
Let me know what you do, Josh. Let me know what you do on the side sometimes. Let them know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I appreciate. So I'm with USA Boxing Amateur boxer there or amateur official, of course. Good term pro here at some point soon. And that being said, you get a multitude, a mix of individuals who are involved in the sport, but you might run into some individuals who don't actually watch boxing the same way that we do. So when they show up there at the events, that might be the only boxing they've seen for the week. And they're seeing it right then and there. There are rules, criteria, et cetera, et cetera. But there's a difference when you have those that are truly tied to the sport in the capacity that we are, we're willing to talk about it, spend time dedicated towards it versus those who, of course, they go in and do their job as a judge, et cetera.
01:31:57
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I feel like uh we need uh julie letterman still unexplainable though somebody scores are still unexplainable though it's sad it's sad hey we need people with high integrity we don't hey we need your pockets to be greaseless and they should they they money shouldn't just slide into them like that There's money just sliding in the hands like that. I completely agree.
01:32:32
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But as you mentioned, right, when you get politics involved, when you get people getting their greedy hands and money involved, that's when shenanigans can happen, right? That's when people start to start to desire and make their own way in things that maybe they should not be entering their hand in, as we could say, without getting more profane than that. So thank you for everybody's thoughts on that. Shout out to everybody. Yeah, go ahead. Anybody have somebody else? Yeah, go ahead. Hi, Walker.
01:33:03
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Okay. What? Yes. You have something else to say, Skywalker? Oh, no. No, I'm good. Yeah. Hey, I have one other thing I will say. One other thing, and I will say this, and I think it's probably apparent in some sense. Of course, when you think about the Adelaide birds, et cetera, if you're in Las Vegas and it's considered the boxing capital, there's an incentive to that remaining the boxing capital. That's what I will say. Of course you don't want all of the big fights to pick up and relocate to LA, New York, DC, Florida, Miami, wherever it may be. So of course that does weigh on the mind. I will say that.
01:33:50
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Yeah, if y'all don't want it, it'll be an awful thing to have to go to Saudi and hear them do here Hey, hey, they ain't got no draws on one of them skirts, bro. It's a whole bunch of For sitting on passionate balls won't be smacking off I told Omar this, we did a podcast about this, and I told him, okay, I was chic. It's changing the game. You guys, keep it up. Keep it up. Not showing up the fights, not buying fights. Oh, you guys, okay, we'll do this. You wanna watch a fight at three o'clock in the afternoon? Okay. We're gonna do that because Vegas, America,
01:34:31
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I'm not going to that. I'm not going to a fight. I've been to Bahrain. I've been to Dubai three times. I hear that's the law going on when you're at the fight.
01:34:56
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I mean, I really don't want to hear somebody's snacks smacking off their legs, but shout out for Turkey for infusing this, this infusion of money and entertainment. Um, this, the entertainment value is, I mean, it's, it's nothing compared to it. Um, but you got coming over here and taking over, bro. We got, we got kids that ain't been born yet. That'll beat the brakes off and everybody you got over there. We, it's different here.
01:35:26
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So let's continue on this topic because there was actually a fan mailbag question about this so we might as well intertwine it here.
Saudi Investment's Impact on Boxing
01:35:35
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Shout out to the Middle East Middleweight who submitted this question but they asked about what are your thoughts on the historic president set by Turkey al-Ashik by bringing all these fights that the public really wants to see. So what are our thoughts on that mailbag question? Anyone that wants to go continue on to what we're saying?
01:36:00
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hey I can jump in there essentially I think it's a good thing but if you look in the annals of history and really I focus on the history of the sport of course there have been pioneering promoters who have brought the big fights that individuals want to see I'm thinking about the likes of Tex Rickard from way back in the day there. He brought the big fights. Tom McCrary you have a number of others. Now this is going way back but at the end of the day they were all centered and geared towards the best fighting the best and they would do what they needed to do to bring those two individuals together in contests
01:36:37
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now I think we're boxing kind of sway or think about Don before I get that Don King I mean put on some top-level fights that saw the best fighting the best you think about what he can be entitled Ali of course and uh the foreman fight i mean it then this is in unique places of course rumble in the jungle zaire africa all that good stuff so there have been those over the years so even going back from deeper history what i'm thinking about but i will give it to turkey alashish he has funding that he can put behind it you know what they say money talks
01:37:17
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Ultimately, money does talk. I don't think we would have seen a Jared Anderson versus Martin Bacoli were it not for the financial aspect of it, because I don't think that was going to be shelled out. And I don't know what the numbers were by Bob Aram.
01:37:32
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or boxer who I believe Bicoli is with B-O-X-X-E-R. And it's one of those things where when you have the right money in the fold that can make a lot of things happen. And I like the fact that they have this infusion of funding. And of course we are able to see some of these contests we wouldn't otherwise see. This was one of the most stacked cards just in general that we've seen in the last 20 plus years I would say.
01:38:04
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you know, because it was pretty much solid from top to bottom, especially on paper. We could argue back and forth as far as how the fights turned out, but on paper, this was a super stacked card. And I like where they're going with that. Saudi Arabia is in an interesting place because of course they're continuing to try to expand their overall outreach. They have all this funding built up, this cache and such.
01:38:29
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And they've been making strides in order to kind of just catch up with some of the societal norms we may see here in the Western world, though they haven't gone full fledged there. But because of such, they started to embrace some of these outside things. And I think it's a good thing for the sport and for the boxing fans as far as us being able to get a view of a number of these fights in a number of these matchups.
01:38:58
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I guess the only sort of drawback is that, of course, it is invoke new life into the world of pay-per-view, of course. And we now pay for subscriptions, et cetera. And then you have pay-per-views on top of that. And I think, and I know Probox talked about this, too, in a little stream that they did on their YouTube channel. But that's another thing. When you do get these types of fights, then, of course, there is going to be a cost associated with it.
01:39:27
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and pay-per-views down you're going to be paying like 75, 80 dollars or more just in general to see an actual pay-per-view outside of other means by which you can actually see the action happen. That being said I do like this infusion right here and I think it's going to make more fighters really decide are they in this game for your three rules there Ernest
01:39:57
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I'm about to jump on the other end of the spectrum. Y'all better get y'all better get what y'all gotta get in before I before I roll with y'all. Thank you.
01:40:08
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I mean, I mean, Skywalker, you got any extra thoughts? I think it's great. Yeah, personally, but yeah, I think it's good. Uh we we went through this shit with the golfers. If you guys
01:40:19
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You know in the beginning they were it was a big deal fucking everybody was pissed. You're not a patriot You're going over there taking their money competing out there and Saudi but uh now PGA got smart, you know, it's if you don't let them control it and let them just be a partner, right? That's the money right and hey let them be a partner shit. They make that money, right? It's all about like what we're doing right now. We're all collaborating. We're networking We're live on different networks right now And, uh, I think sometimes that works, man. I think it'll, it'll work out. And I think that Turkey, all the sheep, you know, I know his English is not that great. You know, you think you would speak a little better English, but
01:41:00
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No, but I think he's smart enough to know that we know that we don't want him taking over the whole sport. You know what I'm saying? We appreciate him. He likes the love that he's getting because he's making the big fights happen. But I think this will all work out and I don't, you know, I don't, I don't see no concern. I mean, some would call it. Are you ready for me?
01:41:25
Speaker
Oh, no, we're coming. We're coming. I got one thing. I want the earnest. I will say this. The NBA wouldn't be anything but without the ABA. The NFL wouldn't be anything without the was it the AFL? The AFL. Yep. WWE will not be anything without WCW when they merge, even though they're already a factor, but, you know, whatever. So all I would say is,
01:41:55
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the
01:42:14
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They put up this huge city. They bring out black people and tell everybody they're monkeys. They bring out hairy women. We're talking about some d so late type shit. And you know what happened during those events? People got kidnapped, murdered, robbed.
01:42:34
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all sorts of sorcery. So let me say this about what he's doing. It is a takeover. Make no mistake about it. It's a takeover. And he told him six years ago that he was aiming to take it over. This is what this is. This is a takeover. Now let's talk about Anybody see the very first thing wasn't that's like the most spectacular show you ever seen a 3d musical concert ring rising out of the ground You know what I mean? I'm about to put in the echo and pop it you hear you about to slide off Ernest X is back, right? So they built that entire city and mall and ring stuff in six months six months
01:43:21
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It would take 10 years to do what they did in six months. Guess who built that stuff? Yeah, it gives deep, right? At the first fight, there weren't very many women there, were there? No, because women aren't allowed to uncover themselves over there. You can't curse, you can't drink. So this is about image repair.
01:43:45
Speaker
Again, I make jokes about not wanting to hear ball sacks slap off with thighs, but I also don't want to see women being disrespected and violated. I don't want to see those things. I don't want to let them get off with taking the sport over Having, having some plans to do whatever it is that they're doing. We need this to be, we, if you're going to take it over, make the sport fair, make the judging fair, get the PDS out of it. You know what I mean? Um, chose on everywhere.
01:44:22
Speaker
you know don't just don't just come to America and make pay-per-views and make us pay a hundred while the people in UK don't have to pay $18 a month or $18 a year or you giving it to them for free but we come we break in we breaking bread over here do it the right way we like that you're trying to force people to fight that's the way it should be like any other sport you know I'm saying the next man up it's not oh I'm gonna pick and choose no we want to see if you work your way in the top ten work your way in the top ten You know what I'm saying? And you're up next if two and three don't work out. That's how I should be. If he does that, I'm cool with it. But they got a lot of, they got a fix over there. And it starts with human rights. I will say this. I will say this. Hey, that's the other thing. All our favorite Cuban fighters. We got human trafficking happening with them too. How do you think all players get here? We got people over there. You got to kidnap them boys and bring them over here.
01:45:20
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So on that, on that, Ernest, I will say this Gary Sheffield said a long time ago, a couple of years ago, that, uh, the reason why we don't have that many black baseball players is because they can control the Latin, Latin baseball players. Yeah. You know, so that's, that's caveat to that. And I'll say this, I know Saudi Arabia, they lifted their liquor license. It was like 90 years. Like you couldn't drink there, but now you can drink there, but you're, you're, you're absolutely right about that. And, and I will.
01:45:51
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I'm gonna agree with you. I would say... Just be careful. 90% long as they be careful. Long as because we do, we're getting the first we want to see, but true. We got to be careful and we need to see the scaling, uh, as far as the judging, uh, moving forward. And also, um, you saw what Turkey Alice, she said about Canelo, I think was it today or yesterday? Uh, basically saying that he'll Turkey, uh, Canelo doesn't want to work with Turkey and Turkey's like, you just want to do the easy fights. I want you to fight the real people. And he's like, Hey, I want one 50 to fight this person. 200 million to fight that person. Right? No, come on, bro.
01:46:26
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the the
01:46:51
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01:47:47
Speaker
And we know that there's some dirty players in the game, and we need them out of there. That's it. Right. That's true. That's certainly true. And I mean, you are completely and absolutely right about the despicable human rights violations that have occurred not only there, but in a lot of those Middle Eastern countries that to women, LGBT community,
01:48:13
Speaker
and all of that stuff. And so a lot of people call that sports washing, right? Them using their money to cover up their human rights violations with entertainment, with sports and other things that are gonna make people think about the softer side of their personality that they're trying to portray out there. And while it is, right? Go ahead. Money laundering.
01:48:43
Speaker
Yeah, but there's a lot of things that are going into it that are very illegal.
Saudi Arabia's Role in Boxing Power Dynamics
01:48:49
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And again, we don't advocate for any of those human rights violations at all.
01:48:55
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But at the same time, we would be hip, I at least, and I've said this plenty of times on many of my streams and podcasts, it's hypocritical for me to, you know, say, oh, Turkey Al-Asik shouldn't be using their money or the country as a whole shouldn't be using their money to, you know, compensate for things that they may be doing.
01:49:13
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evil because they invest into a lot of American companies, all of them that we use day-to-day, Uber, Disney, Amazon, so on and so forth. So if you are, it's not just boxing that is touched by the Saudi Arabian fund, the private investment fund, the PIF,
01:49:33
Speaker
So it's hypocritical to, for those people who are going to say, oh, I'm not going to watch boxing, not saying that anyone here said that, but, oh, I'm going to boycott or this and that because they're run by the Saudis like they used to do with the live golf that we talked about. And I just think that's hypocritical. So anyways, any other thoughts on that, y'all?
01:49:53
Speaker
That's deep, man. But if you're a hardcore boxing fan and you're looking at it, you don't really see that, man. We're all vets. I've been in the Middle East. I was in Afghanistan, Iraq, earnest. But yeah, man, it's a different culture. It's totally totally opposite. Like you can talk about the women not being in there. You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to go to the fight man. Like, listen, when I went to the, when tank went and fought down in Atlanta, Oh my God, bro. Me and my wife was like, yo, I mean, all I swear I seen about a thousand women that had to, because they had to climb man through the neck.
01:50:34
Speaker
to get in the clothes they was wearing. Usually, we're like superheroes. We play integral roles in the sport, for sure. And I could see that on the amateur side as well. It wouldn't get done without them. They play an integral role. So yeah, I feel we're coming from 100% because it doesn't get done without them.
01:51:01
Speaker
I'd say it's a lot, when we talk about UFC and boxing, me and Omar do the show and I say, you know, we need Margaret at Wegmans to talk about this fight. We need Janice going to Pilates on Thursdays to talk about a fight, you know what I'm saying? You gotta have that in there, okay? And you guys are basically just kinda like reinforcing what I've been saying for a while. And, you know, when we were going to school young, you know,
01:51:30
Speaker
I remember growing up where women or girls, whatever, in sixth grade, seventh grade, talk about, Oh, did you see that Rojo Junior fight? You know what I'm saying? Like, like it's, they will say, you know, they know nothing about boxing. They will still say that, you know, that they watched the fight and they, you know, so that's, that's, that might be another day. You know what I'm saying? My grandmother put me in. A word. The one that put me on the box.
01:51:55
Speaker
You know, my pops put me in a boxing and I think I said this with you guys, with you and Josh, when we did the interview last week. I remember growing up watching, like looking at the jet magazines, the small joints, and at the back of the joint was like, you know, Hearns versus Hagler, Budweiser, you know what I'm saying? Like, besides the beauty of the week, that's what I grew up on. I have the beauty of the week, yes. Yes, I saw a post, and I'm not gonna say who posted this, but there was a post that somebody forwarded about, it was,
01:52:25
Speaker
I automatically knew it was completely wrong because I watched this fight with my father, because I was back up from the Navy and it was literally Roy Jones against Tarver, part one. And I was like, that didn't happen in 2006, that was 2000. That wasn't a classic, Tarver got robbed. People can put any type of clips together and make a post about it, and people just go on for that post.
01:52:51
Speaker
that's true. I don't know if you guys see that on your end sometimes. Hey Omar, all of that stuff that we just said right now does lead us to the last fight, don't it? Sure does. It really does. And I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
01:53:06
Speaker
I appreciate that. And right before we get into that, I do want to hit these comments because we do have comments. So shout out to Ansquash. Shout out to Randy Jean. Lovely. Yes. That like button is free. Hit that wherever you're watching us, whether on YouTube, Instagram, and make sure you're subscribing at everyone's channels here at Ball and Buds, at 86 boxing, at Skywalker, Box Hail.
01:53:29
Speaker
and at Poppy. So trade Titan to go back to that question earlier before we go to the main event. He was asking about Kishan versus Emiliano. So if anyone has any thoughts on that, I know Josh, you put in there that you thought Kishan was the truth and you thought about this fight. So anybody else have any thoughts on that? It's so early for Emiliano. You know, I like them a lot, man. I think, you know,
01:53:56
Speaker
So far, you know, out of all these legacy, you know, like fathers were fighters. He's doing pretty good. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'd agree. I'd certainly agree there. I think it's early for Emiliano, even though I like where he's headed trajectory wise. Tishon at this point, I think is more battle tested has fought the better fighters as far as his young career as well. And I think that, yeah, his, he would get the edge if they were to fight like right now, but give it some time for sure. Fighting 131 million Mexicans.
01:54:36
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and none of them cheering for Keyshaun. They want that bag. Right. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
01:55:07
Speaker
Yeah. Feed me more. Uh all right. So, Trey Titan asks, any thoughts on Caleb plant layoff possibly affecting his upcoming bouts? Um or or the is easy work. Uh any thoughts on this show? He's on who he fights. Uh if he did you have anything on tap right here? I'm looking. Um doesn't so it looks like Trevor McCumby. Yeah, he'll be the Trevor McCumby for sure.
01:55:35
Speaker
Ooh, the juices. Yeah, he'll be the term of the company, but that being said, yeah, this will help him in terms of if he wants to step up the competition in his next contest. I mean, that'll be easy work for him. He beat McCombie up, go out in the audience, slap Ryan Garcia, go find Jamal, slap him again. He can hand out all types of slaps that night.
01:56:05
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Yeah, yeah. I will say one thing. One thing I rock with Ernest with when I was watching the show before I got on with these guys.
01:56:16
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He wasn't, he was very candid about calling out Ryan, sorry, the racist cheater out. Unlike others who don't want to call him out. You know, I loved it. I love hearing that. You got a real estate. Hey man, people couldn't even interview him at the last fight. He was walking through that man. He was walking through the crowd. Mean he was looking for Ryan, bro. He was going to do damage to him. You don't talk about, you can't talk about people, family bro. And just think that they ain't going to crash out. You know what I'm saying?
01:56:44
Speaker
We're going out at pretty heavy at Canelo's press conference. If you guys see that, that shit was pretty funny. Canelo, canelo. I'd rather see a belonga and plant than Canelo and uh, belonga. Hey, no lie, no lie, I'm protected. Um, shout out Kayla Plant, Nashville's own here in Nashville with me. So shout out to him. Uh, but yeah, no, definitely.
Boxing Politics and Fighter Promotions
01:57:14
Speaker
I do some work with country box brother Jimmy Adams promotions Yeah, we we link up with their IT people this last fight and we heard on our channels We did our own commentary we do our own commentary for Country box, but we we helped some of their fighters We got we actually have an interview Sunday on our Tim and Tim show With one of the female fighters that was on the last card. Yeah Yeah, I got dental implants. I'm usually more talkative. I just got dental implants. So I'm learning how to talk again, guys. So, you know. Nobody would have known that if you wouldn't have said it, Skywalker. Yeah, nobody would have said anything. I wouldn't have said anything, but. Yeah, yeah, we're not taking it any better. A few new familiars taking special now, Skywalker, that you better than us. Come on now. I like my nap. I can't talk that good today, man. But, you know, I'm trying. No, you were good. You didn't even have to bring that up.
01:58:08
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I don't know. We'll be like, man, it ain't pretty, pretty pearly white. I want to talk more about this. I'm just being honest. You're killing it. You're killing it. Shout out Steve. Shout out Steve Falco to Chef Lance Meyer. Thank you. Yes. I thank everyone on this panel for their service. We appreciate you.
01:58:38
Speaker
Uh, for sure. Um, all right. Cool. Oh, and Chris as well with the salute, uh, to the man who's here channel. Cool. All right. Well, let's move on to the main event. Um, before we get there, just to, uh, uh, Clover D had, had a quote from Turkey. I just want to say exactly what he had said here on, on X earlier today. He said that he heard what Canelo said that he respects him, but doesn't like the way that they do business.
01:59:05
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He said he doesn't care if he respects him, I'm paraphrasing. He says ask for why he doesn't like how the way I do business because I targeted big fights at fair prices. And he also says after losing to Bevall, he's been looking for easy fights ever since shots fired. And it also says he's not the one that is afraid of fighting Benavidez or Crawford shots fired part two. Anyway, so that was the You're I love it. And I'll just caveat on that just to piggyback real quick. Whenever we're about to go to anything. Yeah, please. But if you look at what Turkey Alashik is going to do, he's going to box Canelo out on all his paper views because Canelo's fighting Berlenga, AKA Roly Ramirez at 168. He's fighting him on the 14th of September. Also, Turkey Alashik is your, you got Omar. Turkey Alashik is basically producing that UFC car in this sphere
02:00:06
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on the same night. Yeah. So, every time that Canelo will fight, a real season will do something probably the same time. That's great. That's fantastic. What Crawford and Spence, how they had a UOC card, same time, they're going to do the same thing to Canelo because his numbers haven't been looking that great. So just put that out there. That's some pressure, right? That's going to be crazy because you know UFC is going to have one that same weekend too because UFC is doing the same thing to Canelo. So now you're going to have three big huge, that's going to be a crazy weekend. No, no, no, no. The UFC is Turkey on the Sheik's thing.
02:00:41
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is he's produced? Oh, okay. That's the one they're doing. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Got it. Okay. Cool. Yeah. That's going to be crazy. That's the first time a spirit is going to have sports in a period. You know, that's a, that's a fact. Shouldn't be crazy. I got it. 131 million Mexicans, man. Pinello, some, a, he got a following, but his numbers doesn't matter what we do.
02:01:11
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He's gonna be able to he got bro. He don't do they even make Hennessy in Mexico like he's Hennessy Is there bro you get what I'm so like Yeah, he's gonna sell out wherever he goes. He's gonna get his money Turkey to box them out. You know I'm saying until the Mexican people put pressure real pressure on him.
02:01:34
Speaker
that he's going to be able to operate the way that he does. Benavidez, you know, I saw a, you know, Ernest, I saw, you know, how everybody likes to grift and like show box. I'm on a, what's his name? Show, whatever. I don't care.
Terrence Crawford vs. Israel Majramov Fight Analysis
02:01:49
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Yeah. So they were like pro against Evan Haney, the pro against now Crawford. He did a thing saying, Oh yeah. Benavidez doesn't deserve a title shot against Canelo. He lost the belt twice.
02:02:04
Speaker
Do you not know that he's been a number one contender? He's had the the WBC belt for last three years. What you're saying is irrelevant. Alright, it doesn't make sense. The reason why he would find a year demand or a writer or a monkey or she would be moving up, right?
02:02:21
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He's been a WBC number one contender since he lost those belts. So a lot of people, a lot of content creators, they know that they can just say, hey, I don't like this person because they know they're getting a lot of clips of views. And that's the shit I don't accept. I can't do it. I can't do it.
02:02:42
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No, I mean, I mean that makes complete sense. So then let's move it on to the main event. Gentlemen through Terrence Crawford's obviously relationship with Turkey. I'll shake this huge card was created. Terrence Crawford obviously has ascended not only in greatness, but in weight classes along the way, continuing to move up to now in his fight with Israel Majramov at 154 for the WBA Super welterweight title.
02:03:15
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Obviously, even the Sheik himself thought that Crawford was going to be the victor. He actually said it was going to be a knockout. Instead, we did get a split decision, but it was clear from the beginning that Majimov was going to present at least an intriguing challenge.
02:03:33
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for Crawford and probably maybe not going to win, but at least prevent presenting an intriguing challenge. A lot of people are quoting, oh, he only had 10, 11 fights. But as I heard quoted on the broadcast a couple of times, he had like a, and I don't, I don't know this number to be true, but around 350 amateur fights. So clearly, I mean, he has a lot of experience. He's not some guy that only had 10 fights and is just coming in. That being said, Crawford did win.
02:04:03
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One sixteen one twelve on one card one fifteen one thirteen on two other cards Poppy will start with you and then go all the way back up to clever D. So what are your thoughts? Man that's I could cook on this one all night, but let's make it short for you So first of all, I told you They're playing chess not checkers. All right when Bud Crawford was whooping Earls behind in the ring. While he was beating Earl down, he was talking that good trash to Jermell Charlo outside the ring. Jermell Charlo ran his mouth prior to that fight, and Bud said, you gotta see me. We used to be cool, but now you gotta see me. So stay in your weight class, little boy. You went one through 47, right? So it starts there.
02:05:00
Speaker
Jermell Charlo owned all them belts. He's the only person to go get undisputed and then just dip off and disappear. Go off two weight classes to go fight somebody when Bud should be fighting him next. And that would have been a great bout for Bud to go and clean him up and get, get undisputed. So first of all, them belts don't really mean that much because ain't nobody beat Jermell Charlo to take them belts off of them. So where'd they come from?
02:05:30
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Now all of a sudden the buds fighting Madrimov, right? And it seems like Madrimov wasn't supposed to lose. And that's what, that's how Eddie felt. They felt like they pulled one over and it was coming to get the strap and take it back overseas. Okay. So now let's talk about how people watch fights and what watching a fight in a relaxed state does for you. When you're watching a fight in a relaxed state and you're not watching and paying attention to the movements and what the fighters are doing, you're sitting there and the commentary is telling you what you should, what you're watching.
02:06:07
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they're putting information into your head that may not necessarily be true. They're promoting an agenda, right? What I saw in the fight was Madrimov doing a whole lot of feints, a whole lot of not punching, right? And them filling in the space between not punching with information of what they think he's thinking or what they think Bud is thinking.
02:06:34
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Popshots damn near a wipeout. I had it 10 to maybe 9 3 for bud, right? Would I not take anything from madrimoth because when madrimoth touch bud He did damage and you can see that his shots were heavy They were effective bud did catch a lot of them, but the power is different when you move up like that So if you ask me madrimoth didn't do enough He should have did more punching and a lot less fame And I believe Bud did, you know, to be able to take the victim. So, um, scorecards, whack, but this thing, I don't know where them belts came from. Um, and again, we used to get boxing, right. And we can make it all better. Jamel said he's coming back to one 54 lead, Bud beat his ass and call, but he wait, um, undisputed and be the first one. All right. Skywalker.
02:07:43
Speaker
a lot of his punches weren't landing if you're watching the fight a lot of paintings He had the same kind of movement as like a bibble, you know I'm saying I know that they're comparing them to triple G But I think that he looks like triple G. You know I'm saying he looks exactly like triple G. I was just like This party so it's kind of like it's Eastern Orthodox, you know, you're Russian party style You know, they got the hops it hops of the footwork You know I'm saying and he wasn't really let him go. I think if he would have just let go more, he would have more success. But the thing is, but Crawford's a very dangerous counter puncher and his shots were pretty heavy. I think you look good at 154. I don't want him to fight Canelo. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see, you know, we see Charlie. You know, I don't want to see somebody move up to weight classes and fight somebody. You know what I mean? Especially just moving up to 154. You know, just define your own legacy. You know, don't don't try to
02:08:41
Speaker
But yeah, man, uh, convincingly, uh, but Crawford one, I had it, uh, eight four. I get, I get some rounds, some module mob. I think he did good. And some were buds seem like he was more relaxed just moving around. So, uh, yeah, good win by bud. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you on the scorecard. I also had eight four, uh, Josh. Yeah, I thought that, but one of the evident by the,
02:09:08
Speaker
their faces at the end of the contest. As a matter of fact, I thought a lot of the cleanest work came from Bud. I do think Madramov showed some resistance and I like Madramov, one of those Beck warriors, decorated amateur, all that stuff. So he comes with more experience and don't let the 10-0-1 record or whatever it was fool you.
02:09:29
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he did have the capability of coming in there and certainly putting up a fuss in some sense but i do think that bud showed that he was able to carry that 154 pounds and he looked bigger and stronger at the weight than i thought he would initially now that being said i too agree that I'm not a big fan of wanting to see Bud versus Canelo, especially when you have some big fights that can be made with those guys at the weights that they're at. For instance, Canelo Benavidez, of course, and Bud versus, I don't mind Virgil Ortiz as Turkey had mentioned
Terrence Crawford's Future Prospects
02:10:13
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as well. I don't mind that fight. Or Bud versus Tim Zhu. I don't mind that one there at 154 pounds. Probably like that one a little bit more.
02:10:22
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even despite what uh despite zoo coming off of a loss then of course we know we're waiting on Errol Spitz and Sebastian Fandora that fight was scheduled to happen it got delayed but it's supposed to still happen we'll see what ultimately materializes but I also agree with Ernest there it would have been excellent to see Bud versus Jermell Charlo seems like that's out of the water gone by the wayside at this particular point but that would have been excellent right immediately after that Spence contest and they seem to have the build up and all of that stuff forward and even if we couldn't get that Jermell Charler versus Tim Zu that was one that was heavily talked about
02:11:07
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before Jamel went up to 168 to take Canelo on, which really realistically made no sense. No one was looking for that fight. If anything, we thought it would be the other Charlo, but it made no sense for Jamel to jump up to weight class and when he was undisputed.
02:11:25
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So that's kind of the annoying side of boxing there. And I guess that was Al Hayman's doing, because it was all in-house, because Canelo was a free agent in some sense. And then, of course, Jermell was PBC. So it just ended up happening. But that being said, I think that Bud showed that he can be something there at 154 pounds.
02:11:49
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I want him to pursue going undisputed because that will lead to some very solid contests. Of course Ortiz has to get past Boa Chuck who he's taking on here, I think this weekend coming up or whatnot. And then of course the belts lie also with Sebastian Fandora. So timing is going to be a key there, but it's not getting any younger, but he still looks pretty solid and I think that he'll be a force as he continues forward. So I think overall good win for Bud Madramov. Of course he can bounce back from this and get into some additional contests and put himself right back in the mix. So I'm just looking forward to what materializes at 154 pounds moving forward. That's so clever deeds.
02:12:36
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I was looking to the left and right, because I know Josh and I think Ernest also got deal with a dog walking around and let my dog walk around. Yes, Ken Corso, Bronson is just, he's all over the place right now. Mine is he got up, came over here, shook his head. I thought he was going to drink some water. But anyways, kind of what a lot of what Ernest, Josh and Skywalker had a mission.
02:13:06
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You see, if you listen to the commentary, Mannix and Sergio Moro, you would think that they hated Bud. And I'm starting to see that with Bud and Bud Shakur, Devin Haney. And a lot of the announcers do not like them. For some reason, I don't know what it is about those fighters. I have my own stuff we can do. We can do it on sidebar, but I have a reason why.
02:13:32
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For the common people coming into the show, they're like, oh, wait, wait a minute. Why is this person doing this? Why are you showing clinch stats for Devin Haney against Camposa? Well, not Camposa versus Devin Haney. Things of that nature.
02:13:48
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Sean Porter was the only one that was kind of honest on his scoring. And Sean Porter was very correct on the scoring. Bud used footwork. Bud hurt Badgermoff towards the end of the fight. And Bud was going to the body and using combinations, things that Maginoff weren't doing. And as Ernest alluded to earlier, yes, Maginoff was hitting him with pop shots, but those shots looked, you know, it kind of got his eye swollen a little bit, you know, because he's a bigger guy. But if you look at Maginoff,
02:14:18
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at the end of the fight, Bud beat the hell out of him. I mean, this was, I didn't see the fight being that close. I thought Bud whipped him the whole fight, you know what I'm saying? With his footwork, you know, you got the guy, you're hitting him, his mouth was wide open.
02:14:34
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when he's trying to do his little fainting, just because you faint for four or five rounds, doesn't mean you're doing anything. You can faint and do a punch. That's not winning a round. The same thing with Devin Handy against Lomachenko. Devin Handy went to the body, jabbed, won the, to me, won the first seven rounds. And same thing with Bud and Maginov. He was outboxing him. Yes, Maginov had his,
02:14:59
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at his point or his his time uh in between uh the fight but but but took over and then 11th round he had him hurt and then 12th round he took over again so I feel like Bud looked great I will feel a little weary if Bud fights uh Fondora because I'm a I'm a fan of Fondora I think his size and length will be a problem but as Lubin said with Fondora you know, he thought he stuffed his gloves and I've never seen anybody in a press conference still have his gloves on. I don't know if y'all remember that. So, man, man, he busted Lubin up bad. He did what Lubin said. He thought his gloves were loaded and then the press conference by door still have his gloves on. I've never seen that before. You know what I'm saying? But somebody in the corner should be in there. I've never seen that at the table. Yes. Yeah, he has gloves on at the table.
02:15:57
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the the
02:16:17
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I'm just saying, just putting that out there. But I think Fondora would be a tough out for Bud. And also would, just to throw this in, and I'm sorry, virtual Ortiz has already said, Ryan Garcia, oh yeah, fight you any day. Earl Spitz, yeah, we should have done a stadium. Recently, just I think today or yesterday, Bud Crawford, well, you know, there's other fights out there, you know, there's other fights I can do. So that tells me that's twice.
02:16:44
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He's a duck, but, but Crawford that's twice. So let's put that out there. And also a virtual tease. Can he make 154? He hasn't made it yet. He was overweight the first
Community Engagement and Broader Boxing Themes
02:16:55
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time. Now he's fighting on Saturday. Is he gonna make that weight class? Just saying.
02:17:01
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And as you mentioned, right, that was the fight that Turkey Sheikh said he wanted to make if Canelo did not take the Crawford fight, which now Canelo is also ducking that fight. But I mean, on that note, right, we would we would think Terrace Crawford wants that fight mostly for a payday, but whether they're changing their plans, because uh they think maybe Crawford was less impressive than they thought he was going to be moving up to 154 or maybe it's because Alvarez who's fighting Burlanga next is you know ducking them or you know just playing coy um
02:17:37
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Obviously, he's been ducking all the other fighters we want to see, including Benavidez. So let's do it quick around the horn, and I just want to get your picks. Each of you, what do you think would be the next best fight for Crawford? Should it be Ortiz? Should it be Canelo? Should it be someone else? What do y'all think? Let's go ahead and go. Papi, what do you think? First of all, I just wanted to let y'all know that Um, the, the guy that's riding the tricycle on the salt cover is Chris Mannix. There just ain't no seat on there. And he likes to wear a mask. I can't stand. All right. But asking me, man.
02:18:23
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Bud is a man of his board. He said Jamel got to get that work. So Jamel could stop. If both the Charlos could stop smacking their wives up for a minute, we can get some real fights out here. So I want to see Bud and Jamel get it. So Bud beats Jamel. We're calling work. I'm, I'm, I'm saying that Bud is the goat three way class undisputed. Cause if you beat the man that beat the man, that beat the man that makes you the lineal, that's what I heard.
02:18:53
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the fact Tim Zoo, you know what I mean? He's got a big fan base, you know what I mean? So there's some good fights on 154, you know what I mean? There's a lot of sleepers too, man. Like Charles Conwell, he's another good 154 pounder. He's sleeping with everybody. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, you know, like boasting about, you know, like, you know, fighters taking lives in the ring, but he's one of them, you know? Yeah, man. R.I.P. Patrick Day. Patrick Day.
02:19:59
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the the the
02:20:08
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But yeah, I would say either Ortiz or Tim Zoo, I think those make for very exciting fights right there. I wouldn't say Jermell, Charlo, but of course he got a lot of issues he's dealing with right now. Him and his brother, they both need to get their stuff together, make up so that they're back and ending each other's fights.
02:20:30
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and go from there, but based on what's out there right now, because Fendora is lined up to face Arrow Spitz and not waiting, I would say either Zoo or Ortiz, and hey, Zoo, hey, he's available, you know? All right, Clevverdy, I'm more of the, I'm on the fence of, for Crawford,
02:20:57
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So he might become unified WBA and WBO champion depending on if Fondor can fight at a certain point. With him getting two belts would be number one contender for WBC. All he has to get is the IVF. At age 36 about to be 37. I'm more for him if it's not somebody with a belt.
02:21:21
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I don't fight. I want him to be a three time, uh, the first male unified champion. So that's, I love the Charlotte fight. I would love that to happen, but Charlie doesn't have a belt right now. And, uh, I rather, if a belt's on the line, he can get that. Go ahead. Take it. Cause to me, if he does that, uh, to me, uh, I think I already said earlier, um,
02:21:47
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Crawford will be top five for me as far as best boxer ever. You know what I'm saying? If he does that. So, wow. See beyond that BS bro. Talking about switching.
02:22:03
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Uh, Tim Zoo is a victim. He's like a P Diddy victim because they baited. They baited man. Where the, where the WTF is Keith one-time Thurman. That boy, didn't you say you was going to 154? What are you supposed to fight? Uh, Tim Zoo, did you do a faded to black? Where are you at? You should be a somebody. Matter of fact, Virgil Ortiz should beat the breaks off.
02:22:32
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that that's a fight. That's a fight that needs to happen and uh he's a he's a clear water with my brother hanging out. I'm just killing because I know they got that mad honey over there in Nepal and he might have been the legit honey. Yeah. I know what I'm telling you man. The stuff they be doing is funny man.
02:22:59
Speaker
Because Pandora threw like 700 punches that fight. You don't fill in last minute at two weeks out and you can throw 700 punches and don't be tired. That means you would prepare for him the whole time. The same way they did Pac-Man with our boy from Cuba. Prepare for him the whole time. The bait and switch. Oh, Earl's eyes injured. Okay. Let's just slide this dude in here. Yep.
02:23:25
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because we're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. We're not falling for that anymore. hit the hit the like button. Everybody that has to hit the like button is do it one time. It's free. Yeah. Hit the like. No. Yeah. Everybody here. If you're not subscribed, please subscribe to everybody. Okay. Oh, no. Yes. Thank you all for tuning in. Yeah, leaving bicycles alone. That's right. Thank you all. Yeah. And thank everybody for tuning in. We appreciate it that you all stick with us. We are going strong and having some really good conversations. Shout out to everybody who's tuned in. Shout out to Canteen. Shout out to Gray Fox. And we also have questions here.
02:24:32
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that I apologize to you. I know it was a bit of a conversation we had there. Tim Titan, but he had a question a while ago and that we weren't able to get to it yet because we're rolling along. But he says, speaking of 140, do any of you think Ismael, but also is a factor in any matchup? So if anyone wants to touch on that. So he's old, but he got some dog in the hole.
02:25:01
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I think he's not going to give him any legitimate shot. Hey, listen, my man is handing now my concussions and migraine medicine. He hit hard. I'll give Pop Pop a chance. Pop Pop, he does have a chance. I think depending on who you fight is a factor. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we got Russell Jr. Mattias ain't dead yet just because he lost the fight.
02:25:29
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Well, we got some in some monsters at 140. Paro. We got Russell Russell got the rude awakening when he talked about P.E.D. Don't we know about David Handy. And then so what happened to him inactivity, you know, like they like that. People see what you fight once a year. That's it. That's a few years.
02:25:51
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140 got some some some killers there man, and that's why Chasing but you got work at 140 and then you got Norman and boots and Stan Jonas at 147 before you start talking 154 the old man listen all them people all those fighters that fought on top rank and they drank the Kool-Aid that had four cups of sugar in it per court um You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know It's what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? not me. Four, four cups of sugar per quart. I'm going to see Bob on a powder day. I'm going to say, what's up, Bob? I'm going to try to get rid of you from. We're never going to fight over here again. Please get in there. Please do. Please do. Yeah. Please do. Yeah. Yeah.
02:27:08
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Bob, stop using how these man. You got my hand, bro. I got the top ring stamp still on my hand. Oh, there we go. At TR. I got tattoo today, bro. Especially. There's that. You will get that. That's the first thing they do before they blow air on your booty cheeks. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
02:27:36
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You know what I mean? They be having the boys be having some wild parties out there, man. Watch out for Diddy.
02:27:48
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Watch out for all of the above that made me try to snatch your booty. You're doing your thing, man. Um, that's dope that you're out there at the fights, man. Make sure you get some, some good footage and let the people know, man, they can come check all of us out.
Ethical Considerations in Boxing Strategy
02:28:15
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They come talk to us. We're going to give them a real conversation and we care about them and we want, that's all we want. We want to see them make money, support their families and leave with their health at the end of the day. Hey,
02:28:29
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Make sure y'all subscribe to everybody's channels here. Papitonejo, Skywalker Boxejo, and 86 boxing as well as ball and buzz. My brother Bajo had a question. He says, does anyone think that shorter rounds but more total rounds in boxers would cause boxers to, it would create more action because they had less time Per round to actually get their shots in does anyone what are your thoughts on this anybody? Put them in the pelo mundo ring They got a promotion called team combat league where you can get one round of action, you know I'm saying with with a bunch of different fighters. So They're really creating their own league for that kind of stuff Yeah, and they're already arguing women often should be three minutes instead of two minutes So to cut cut the minutes down
02:29:29
Speaker
I think they go from 16 by 16 to 24 by 24 with the largest. So I call them Telemundo rings. Them joints they be fighting in Mexico, ain't nowhere to run to.
02:30:01
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Yeah, he took so much damage, bro. He got knocked out by Alexis or Willow. He got hit by some that division back then was on fire, bro. You know what I mean? That's another good one.
02:30:14
Speaker
Yeah, but you know, to take damage is what we're trying to prevent in boxing, man. And, you know, and my uncle passed away at a young age because of fusillistic dementia. He got hit too much, bro. Wow. Damn. He ended up on the streets, bro. You know, you couldn't control him. Like, you know, he, you know, he, he got to a point where he got really sick. That's when they put him in the home. But yeah, man, boxing can kill you, man. You know what I'm saying? So.
02:30:40
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I think with the rounds instead of 15, you know, and then with refs stopping fights, you know, Josh is a historian up here, you know what I mean? He covers the sport from the late 1800s, early 1900s. And these fighters would go multiple, multiple rounds. No refs would stop anything. Christina evolved, man, from a barbaric sport to where it's more refined, safe, you know what I mean?
02:31:14
Speaker
at fighters like shakur and devin because they are boxers they like to hit and don't get hit but because the announcers and the promoters are pushed oh man you got to get in there in exchange with them but i'm good at punching them i fucking not get hit and the fans got it you if you understand the sport then you wouldn't you wouldn't be putting this pressure on people there's people that with natural power that's going to put you in sleep and there's people that can get hit and don't get hit you gotta love them They didn't waste something similar to that in UFC, where the card in England, where they had seven with the decision cards. And he's like, I'm not upping my money because there's no incentive. But you got to respect a jujitsu fighter, defensive fighter.
Historical Boxing Formats and Rule Changes
02:32:01
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You know what I'm saying? You got to respect that. Just like in boxing, people don't understand that hit, not get hit. That's the name of the game. It's not about let me stand in the middle. Just rock and sock robots. It doesn't work like that.
02:32:12
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I bet, I bet Josh would. Yeah, I fought with a secures fights I think he puts on a clinic, you know what I'm saying I don't mind watching it for sure but I understand the perspective of those that want to see action. I don't think shortening the rounds with.
02:32:27
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necessarily result in more action or whatnot. I do know that from a historical standpoint back in the day one of the things was you would have shorter fights in terms of rounds totals and it was not uncommon to see the elite top level fighters that were champions have a six rounder or something of that nature in this as they would kind of stay busy fights in some cases or they'd be taking on top level competition to other elite fighters for six rounds and I think that does put some emphasis on there especially if you're looking to keep kind of your record intact it's keep the momentum going or whatnot so I would think that could kind of factor in in some capacity but stylistically speaking I think that
02:33:11
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A defensive fighter is gonna be defensive regardless of the amount of rounds that is tied to it more often than not. So I don't know if there's any way of changing a fighter's mentality based on the total number of rounds, just thinking about it from that standpoint. One round, Telemundo ring, no time limit. First knockdown to the first of short.
02:33:39
Speaker
Rock and shock them. Rock and shock them robots. That's it. That would gauge it for sure. Nice man standing. I love it. I love it. Just going in there, throwing them dig meters. Well, all right, cool. I mean, as you mentioned, women are even lobbying for three-minute rounds now. So going back, we're just not going to happen. But they should get it. I love it.
02:34:18
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We asked the women like on our show we've had women on and we've we've asked them those questions and a lot of the women wish they had more time to work. Majority say three minutes. That's crazy.
02:34:31
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They wish him to work. We, we'd probably be getting more knockouts, more stoppages because two minutes is not enough time really to show skill because you get the referees. Sorry, Josh, but in the women's fights, the referee had get it in there and it'd be 15, 20 seconds trying to break somebody up. Now we down to a minute 40 minute 20. You've got three breakups. You had five punches thrown and three of them landed. Maybe.
02:34:58
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Yeah, we talked about that in our, uh, you know, more talks about that. I think it was, uh, around once you fought in Florida and WBC didn't want to recognize that three minute round fight, you know, everybody should be three minutes for women. Women could do just the same as men can do around. Let's do it. Yep. And the amateur, the elite women, I do three, three minute rounds.
02:35:21
Speaker
So it can be done, you know, it's doable. I would, I would support it for sure. And I think that would change the dynamic somewhat, or at the very least, if they're going to keep it two minutes, I think the championship fight should be 12. I don't know. We can go, uh, Clarissa versus Iman.
02:35:46
Speaker
you know, the Olympian. We can just kick it right off. You stupid. You so stupid. You so stupid. You so stupid. Yeah, Guo. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Guo.
02:36:03
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First of all, first of all, you ain't getting us in trouble or canceled. That's allegedly. OK, that is allegedly. I did a story on this on my show yesterday. I want to go. I want to go check out.
02:36:16
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Yeah, I mean, you know, you're right. I shouted her out yesterday as well. Shout out the vote. We all know it. So. OK, cool. Well, we do have we're going to wrap this up with a few mailbag questions that we had sent in from the fans.
Canelo vs. Berlanga Press Conference and Speculations
02:36:32
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So the first mailbag question comes from that Mexican OG. Shout out. I see what you did there with the new rapper guy, who, by the way, I saw. I thought I thought it was my uncle rapping. I was like, why is there like a 40 year old Mexican dude rapping? He wasn't bad. He wasn't bad.
02:36:52
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I went to the Co-Wetzel birthday party in Dallas. Shout out to DJ Danny West and I saw that. They asked, thoughts on the Canelo-Berlenga press conference? Obviously they went face-to-face with this stage to get more buys, as Berlenga was asking for more buys right before that happened. And also, does Berlenga, and this hurts me as a Puerto Rican as I know the answer to this, but does Berlenga stand any chance?
02:37:22
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Oh, who you want to go first? Hey, don't matter. Whoever wants to go first. You got the kids.
02:37:31
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Any of y'all ever seen the movie Kid? What's my favorite movie of all time? Yeah, that was the pool scene where the black kid got out of the pool. He was butt naked. He was. Yeah. I am with all the sword fighting throw hands.
02:37:51
Speaker
Burlanga He has a punches chance He does I got it. You got to get you got to give him you got to give him you got to give him his respect He does have thunder in his hands unfortunately His inexperience is probably gonna get him done. He's gonna you're gonna get him done bad I mean, I remember seeing a clip of Erickson Lubin Doing him dirty in the sparring. I mean Erickson Lubin was doing it already and the Sun in him Canelo is, it's too much man. That hurts my heart as a Puerto Rican. It's too much. I'm not going to get embarrassed.
02:38:34
Speaker
Skywalker, your touch. I don't think he stands a chance. I mean, just a Pinterest chance. You know, too much experience as Canelo, you know what I mean? It was an easy fight.
02:38:48
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the the
02:39:08
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I didn't see the press conference. I seldomly watched him unless I know it's gonna be raw and authentic, and I don't get raw and authentic from Berlanga for certain. That being said, I think this is all Canelo here. Berlanga had showed some promise, but I just don't think he has enough experience, nor does he have enough in the arsenal to be able to deal with Canelo, and he's gonna get stopped at some point. And while he's Puerto Rican, he's one of those New Yorkans. He ain't from the high end.
02:39:38
Speaker
the I know you have it. Go ahead. My issue with Berlenga is when I was down in Orlando with my brother, we visited her. Arby's your friend Francis. And that was the fight that he went to distance. He went to distance with somebody they should not have went to distance with on top rank on ESPN. I watched that at a cigar shop. It was a Cuban, Puerto Rican cigar shop. Watched a fight there. I was all like, damn, man, I thought Berlenga was an active student out.
02:40:19
Speaker
Once the distance look vulnerable. Perfect fight for Canelo. I think this is going to be the first fight we see Canelo actually knock somebody out and quite some time. I think he's going to be. Berlenga, he just too many openings and is the way he fights. I just don't. So I made a comparison. This is Royal Ramirez against Tank at 168. I wouldn't say it's that close, but I think this is not going to 12 rounds. Yeah, I got Canelo.
02:40:50
Speaker
Big time video up. You're all gazers. Yeah, it's just like I've seen enough dangling knocking pole vaults, pole vaulting, poles off. Yeah. You can't see some shit. You feel me?
02:41:11
Speaker
Yeah, but but tell me tell me one thing though. Tell me that dude is not going to get unlimited amounts of. You already got to only fold out. Somebody said that's why that's why I don't pole vault because every time I try to offer my only friends about him, I would do that in the heartbeat.
02:41:38
Speaker
like that for real? You got up by the only man? Yeah. You want to land up on the competition. Leg up. That's tremendous. Wow. Well, shout out to you, sir. You will see me. Uh yeah, trust me. I don't care. Shout out to shout out to that dude. If I ever lost a medal, I would want it to be for that for that exact reason on live national television for the whole world.
02:42:13
Speaker
We know Chris Maddox probably got an 18 by 12 poster hanging up behind his desk. at the peak of it at the peak of it. It's anti blood, anti heavy, anti she core. Man, it's got that up there. Yeah, it is. It's your boy, more. You are an ex fighter. You know better. You know better. Okay. You know, my chat to make me a picture with Chris Maddox behind his desk with the pole vault guy photo. You know, it'll do it. You can tell it anything.
02:42:50
Speaker
So stupid. Oh my goodness. That's hilarious. Shout out to Random Acoustic Thoughts. Shout out to Rolling with the Plunches. Again, we are almost out of here. We have a couple more questions, but y'all make sure you hit that like button. As the as the gentleman said, it is free. You are helping us out. You are helping all these channels out. Make sure as well that you subscribe to all the channels that you see here at Ball and Buds at 86 Boxing at Skywalker Box sale and at Poppy Jewel. Yeah.
02:43:20
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tuned in with us. That being said, the second mailbag question we have from Finkel is Einhorn from Miami.
Potential Tank vs. Shakur Fight Discussion
02:43:30
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I see what you did there. Nice little Ace Ventura reference. Does Pitbull losing Ruined, and I know y'all kind of touched on this earlier, so I know it might be a little bit of a repeat of answers, but does pitbull losing ruin the tank rematch plans in the future, at any time in the future?
02:44:13
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OK. Josh, you touch. Yeah, I think the fight at 135 is Tank and Shakur. I've docked this for a good little period. That's the fight I want to see. And I think it's one of the kind of marquee matchups in the sport. You know, if I had to make an unlist of top 10 matchup that is on there.
02:44:34
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Tank versus Shakur gonna have a defensive fighter, or at least he has a defensive instincts versus a fighter who can box and can punch in Tank. And I think it should make for something fairly special. Never know though.
02:44:51
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Sweet. And before we get to Poppy, I do want to let's just merge this in with the last mailbag question because it's bleeding into this anyways. So from the original tribal chief from the DMV, shout out, they ask Shakur and Loma were seen arguing at the Crawford fight.
02:45:08
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Um, but we see that ever. And then also they say, or tank versus Shakur or Shakur versus Sepeda, which is what Turkey wanted to see. So obviously we started getting into that answer right there with what Josh, so you already answered that, uh, Poppy, if you want to answer that, and then we'll also get clever D starts on it as well. Um, uh, uh, so back in the days,
02:45:35
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There was this black indigenous group, these Seminoles, these black indigenous people that were in Florida. They ended up being in Oklahoma somehow, and they eventually ended up in Mexico on the northern border.
02:45:52
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These black indigenous people called the Moscago. Moscogos are the ones who stopped the Confederate armies and all those guys from expanding further into Mexico. That means black people stopped the white people from coming down there and taking over the rest of Mexico back in the days. They are still there. They celebrate June 2. With that being said,
02:46:22
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131 million mexicans and i've got to say that Probably out of that many probably at least 70 still don't fuck with black people. So if tank and pit bull fight That 70 is still gonna think that pit bull can stop tank. So it's a fight that sells That's what they want to see Um, and ultimately there's nothing we can do about the, um, you know, the, the ethnic, ethnic cold battles that are going to occur in this sport. Cause the sport was built off of it. So yeah, it could happen. Yeah. It was sellout tank does not not sell out anything. He's going to field pack the arena out.
02:47:13
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So that's what the people want. They just didn't realize they didn't have to go through a bunch of bullshit to get it. You can still get to fight whether either one of them lose because the Mexican people don't really fuck with black people like that. And that just seems like that's working. Boxing has been built off of, that's just keeping it real. So that's my opinion and 10 will most definitely stop the dude.
02:47:39
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reminds me of the Chavez Butcher Taylor stoppage that hurt my soul. Most definitely stopping. Five seconds. Like, come on now. You know damn well he had that fight. Consecutive. Consecutive. Punching. So, to get an old thick neck out of there. Thick neck. Thick neck. Clever. Do you want to finish, you want to finish that off with what your picture is for? No, no, no. It just, it just, it just be honest with you. It's kind of like,
02:48:10
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Got to my soul, I thought Mel Jeter Chavez, you got Pernod Whitaker Chavez, you got Chavez de la Hoya, you know, I understand where Boston was moving to that side where the fans were going and people were actually buying the fights. Opposed from the 80s with the four Kings and everybody, you know, 100% agree with Ernest right there. Papachuyo, Papachuyo, he's on one right now.
02:48:38
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and the one he's on is the right. He's he's spitting facts right now. Spitting facts. You have to know. Alright, cool. You don't gotta hate us. We all got good food, you feel me? Yeah. Perfect timing. Skywalker came in at the perfect time. Yeah, I've been here. I was I was looking for my kid real quick but Oh, you know, yeah, it's in the last question for us. So, um, people first, do you believe that those plans for ruin would take and then what do you see for tank and or Shakur and or anyone you want to talk about? I think the plans are ruined for the rematch. You know what I'm saying? Um, I think a good fight for tank would be Shakur. Number one, I'll step out of
02:49:31
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but the negotiations fell through. They were trying to go for Lomachenko. So. Yeah, really right now if you look at what before 135 used to be stacked when but everybody moved up to 140. You know what I mean? So right now really tank don't have a big big ballpark. You know choose from you know, I guess he couldn't make it happen with Loma. So that leaves them Shakur but. You know.
02:49:59
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you know, you know, he's a, he's a prize fighter. So when it comes down to the money and the contracts, I think that there's probably going to be some kind of disputes and, and, you know, I know Shakur is going to want a lot more, you know, you, you know, in, in tanks, basically the, the, you know, the draw, the pay-per-view star, you know what I'm saying? So, um, it's a big fight for us Americans, man. We want to see us, you know what I mean? And, uh, Loma Cenko, man, uh, a good fight for Loma.
02:50:30
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be a cepeda or uh shit trying to everybody's fresh man at 135 you think about it man we're talking about Miliano Vargas they're you know they're they don't have enough fights you know uh you got Andy Cruz you know these guys are coming up i think that the new breed of 135 man they're still developing and that division will be hot in two years it's gonna be the hottest division it's gonna be
02:51:02
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He's top ranked too. He's top ranked. So that could be doable for Loma. I do think that the tank fight is still, tank versus pit bull fight is still on the table because pit bull off at 140. That was the second fight at 140. He's still there. He can still go down to 135 seemingly. And I think he can still make a fight. Tank got to fight somebody with a strap. Someone has to have a belt. That'll be ideal for sure. That's for me. He has to fight somebody that's one of the other champions, other three other champions he has to.
02:51:31
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the you can fight whoever you want to fight. That's the business side of boxing. The business side I get, 100% I get, but however, like Shakur, Shakur sells out too. When he fought, was it Herring in Atlanta? He sells out, had what, eight, nine thousand in Jersey. They're still calling for him to fight somebody big. Tank is that he's going to be 30 years old in a month or two. So for me,
02:52:13
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Yes, he could sell out, but his legacy take these to get a belt. He needs to get another belt. You know what I'm saying? Be a unified champion. Or be, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to speak just be unified. You know what I'm saying? Like you're at the 135. You fought everybody you need to fight. That's not at your level. Time to fight someone else. Didn't he get three, didn't he get three belts?
02:52:37
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he's three division world champion. Regular does not count as a champion. I'm sorry. I don't don't count regular because they are. They will be they will be a champion of them, right? You know what I'm saying? Danny Jacobs will be champion. So, I just don't I don't count regular and when you're regular champion, you need to fight the
02:53:02
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Was it 130, that's the only besides 130 and 135, normal champion, super champion, WBA. And he beat up, he beat up LS Tecca at 140. Yeah, but I don't know if that was a regular champion championship belt though. Yeah. And he had a, he had a weight clause on that too, just saying. Yeah. That for Drieser's name was legit.
02:53:29
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Hey man, I love that was legit for Drago. Yes. 100% legit. I did it right there. And I like tank. It's just, I hold them accountable. You know what I'm saying? Like, I like, I think I just got accountable. You know, I feel like he takes should be knocking out all these people. He should knock them out. People who got the bag don't give a damn what we think. They tell them they don't care. We're nobody's. Hey.
02:53:57
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And we may be nobodies to them, but we are somebodies to somebody, including our mama and including all of our fans out here today. We appreciate all of y'all tuning in on the real. It's been an amazing, amazing stream. I mean, three hours went by like it was nothing. Everyone was entertained.
02:54:19
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The panel was dropping knowledge. We covered the fight. We covered the news. Before we get out of here, is there any other kind of news that anyone wants to touch on that we might have omitted?
02:54:34
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All right. If you are in the heavyweight category and you probably ain't gonna make it to the NFL, can you please start boxing? You can start late like the others.
02:54:46
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Yeah, but we need a, we need some dudes as six foot four, six, five with 85 inch on length arm reach to start beating people up. We need some of y'all to play volleyball. We need y'all to play soccer. We need some of y'all to start swimming.
02:55:05
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You feel me? We got some weak spots in the Americans. Hey, we need y'all to do all these things. You got to learn how to slide the damn thing down there and clean the floor off. Some snooker. Who dat too, bro?
02:55:24
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I know you're a slider. You are American. We need clothes everywhere. I'm not wrong. Diversify that athletic portfolio is what I think my man is saying. I'll say one thing real quick. I'll say one thing real quick. Everybody, I ride it with us from the start to the end of you hopped in. Wow. Appreciate you guys. Please subscribe to all these brothers.
02:55:53
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pages and and and YouTube pages and all that good stuff. I appreciate everybody that jumped on. I appreciate Josh uh uh Skywalker, Ernest. I appreciate y'all. You know, nice meeting you guys and and coming on. So, appreciate everything. Alright. Yeah. So, before and before we sign off, let's go ahead and give everybody's channels. Poppy, we'll start with you. Whatever you want to promote. Listen, all type of places, man. You can find me at Lord
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Bells deep clothing bones deep clothing you can find me on all those places in IG and You know if you go and purchase things from me we we sponsor boxers. We sponsor athletes We um, you know, we do things for people that you may not know about and we care about people We want to see people be
Diversifying Athlete Skills Across Sports
02:56:42
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successful. So Is that like healing crystals and stuff though is that what we're talking about?
02:56:49
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Some people people are really into the metaphysical stuff. I'm not no metaphysical But you know, I got the stuff that the metaphysical people like so if you that's what that's what you're looking for You know, that's what I got plus I got you know, I got I got athleisure I got clothes for puppy dogs and and cats Let's wait Hey, I'm talking about a diversified portfolio. Y'all go hit a popping for your one stop shop. I know I'm going to check it out. Skywalker. Oh, you can find me at Skywalker book sale everything on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube.
02:57:28
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And then, uh, you also find me on my 86 boxing channel. Uh, people I collaborate more. I do work with more boxing, no problem. And you'll see a lot of my content on their channel too. So, uh, yeah, man, uh, I'm around the boxing community. So. All right. We're Josh. Hey, right here. See that?
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That's how you'll find me right there. Look for these colors in any combination, you understand? Shout out to Stephanie Simon making her debut on September 27th in Atlanta.
02:58:15
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And you guys know where you find me. Anything you need to find me, Ball and Buds. Okay. Ball and Buds on Instagram, or you can shoot me a DM at Ball and Buds. I'm sorry, at Deon703 on Instagram. And I got a TikTok.
02:58:31
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Clubber D. Omar, you know it. Clubber.D. It's Clubber.D. I'll put it in the chat. Yeah, there you go. Clubber.D at TikTok, you know what I'm saying? I've been doing dances and you know what I'm saying? Some of y'all's wives be calling me Deon, Indian mothers, but it's whatever. Be your wife's favorite TikTok fan. There you go.
02:58:55
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Uh, all right. And yes, as you said, you can catch us at ball and bud. So I'm not going to say that again, but next week I will promote our show. Uh, clubber D the combat G is having his next combat sports special. It will be our MMA edition.
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02:59:10
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02:59:39
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02:59:59
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