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S3 Ep266: Homeschool and the Old Internet
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Join Dave, Jake, and special guest Gennaro as they talk about homeschooling, sex-ed, AI, breadmaking, and even more in this week's episode!
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Introductions and Humorous Mix-ups
00:00:27
Speaker
How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Super Stone. My name is Jake. I'm joined by my co-host as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? I feel like an exhumed corpse. How's it going tonight? Dimooch.
00:00:39
Speaker
Am I on the right podcast? I'm pretty sure I was invited to some other, like, murder podcast, but here I am. Well, he opened with Exhumed Corpse, so you might be in the right spot. So you have to figure out who done it.
Visual Jokes and Platform Comparisons
00:00:55
Speaker
Hello, I'm Sarah Koenig. I'm doing fine and dandy. Who's dandy?
00:01:07
Speaker
We all know fine, obviously. Fine is very promiscuous. This is why I needed to be a video podcast. This is why I just do like things where it's just like me leaning into the camera, raising eyebrows like it doesn't translate on audio and I have to explain it. And I feel like that makes it lose its gusto.
00:01:20
Speaker
Well, my first thought when you said dandy was that meme video, I was like, oh, the first dandy line of the season, the girl just eats one. I don't know if I'm familiar with that one. Oh, you will be. OK. I can send it on the site. Yeah. That's what we really need. So the platform we use now, like tracks, chat, whatever we type into the chat for this. Obviously, you'll send it on Discord, I assume. But it's nice for timestamps because we might be like, hey,
Editing and Generational Humor
00:01:49
Speaker
it was really racist here we need to cut that out something like that uh... which is my go-to joke uh... it was about a half-long yeah what you guys don't hear is we usually record for a three-hour you thought you took a bathroom break farming simulator there was like a weird pause yeah uh-huh uh... the other the other seventy-five percent i would say that gets cut out is like i start talking about a game that only i have been playing and
00:02:18
Speaker
Dave cannot comment on at all. And then it usually goes on for about 40 minutes before he's just like, Hey, we're keeping up with that. Not strictly calling my grandkids.
00:02:34
Speaker
Wait, grandkids? When did you get those? That means you have to have kids first, right? You don't skip a generation, do you? I mean, I'm estranged from my kids, but weirdly, like, their kids are very nice. They reach out to me. So usually they talk to me about, like, what shows they're watching, what games they're playing, whatever they're up to, really.
00:02:55
Speaker
Then they tell you they've been only gaming on mobile and you just hang up. Get out of here, casual. Do you have any good bird games in the flappy variety? Get out.
00:03:06
Speaker
Does your phone have games? Yeah. I think grandkids actually, it doesn't, traditionally people think that represents how far removed they are from you, but I ascribe to the belief that it's the tier of the child, right? Like, you might have kids. That's fine. Everyone has kids. That doesn't matter. If you have grandkids, it's like, we're using Elder Scrolls for this. So when you say you have kids, you probably have petty kids, right? Like, they're not that significant. But grandkids, they're all the way up there.
00:03:36
Speaker
I remember in middle school, we're talking about great grandparents. You're like, these are the best ones. And then a year later, it's like, well, I don't have them anymore. I just have grandparents. So like, this is random, but you know.
00:03:51
Speaker
I don't believe the majority of people have met their great grandparents, and it's always hard for me to care about when, like, my parents talk about them. It's like, yeah, they were close to you, and I'm hearing stories about them, but it's so hard for me to, like, care. Because it's, you know, like, learning in a history book. Today's lesson. You're great, you know, something or other.
Generational Stories and Stereotypes
00:04:16
Speaker
Killed 11 Nazis with bare hands. Okay, that's kind of cool.
00:04:21
Speaker
I'd love to do that today or two because there's a lot but yeah, I was gonna say those are rookie numbers like you anyone can play Wolfenstein at these days 11 like what you did you quit in level one? Like what's the deal? Just go to the next capital riot and just plant some c4 and statistically you will grab some
00:04:44
Speaker
Welcome back from some minor technical difficulties, um, you know, brought in by the deep state, presumably trying to take us down beforehand. They can try. We're going to move to rumble. I'm not familiar with rumble. I think I've heard of it. Yeah. I mean, there's.
00:05:09
Speaker
There's a bunch of new streaming services as far as, you know, competitors to Twitch out there right now. Gotcha. I think rumbles them. Twitch is doing fine. Yeah, totally. Dave raised his eyebrows when we were just talking about this. I was going to say, I was going to say as a topic before I forget, Dave, you mentioned like you wish that's like the video part that you're mentioning. What you need to do is like a fedora wearing redditor
00:05:34
Speaker
like just exclaim the italics for whatever emote you're doing. So you're just like, I'm not sure about that. I'm raising my eyebrows right now. Raises eyebrows. Oh my God. I don't know if any of you has seen the, there's like a guy who is like, uh, does like Instagram reels and probably TikToks of being the atypical Redditor, uh, just like in different social scenarios. And then there's another guy who acts as like the atypical weeb.
00:06:03
Speaker
and they recently had a collab and it honestly it was disgusting how accurate it was to some people I've met throughout my life but regardless I hope you don't know what I'm talking about because just just save yourself you guys were comp sci majors you you've dealt with people like that
00:06:25
Speaker
Yes, I was definitely run to somebody like you hear about socially awkward people in like TV and movies You're like, okay, and then you meet one in person. You're like yo, holy fuck Like it's it can be pretty spot-on but typically I'll only run into those people at Conventions it's gonna say fair like there's a large density of people so you're more likely to have at least one person who's not as socially adjusted and
00:06:53
Speaker
It's me. I'm the guy Well, here's the thing Dave. I see you outside of conventions conventions are that one spot where those who are inclined to not bring their Social ineptitude outside into the public Come out. That's their you know event to do whatever but my god
00:07:16
Speaker
I will take it say I take um bridge cuz you said like you guys are you know comp side managers You should understand this but like save yourself for looking into that Obviously, I'm saving myself. I'm a comp side major like Mandatory joke I'm gonna do that for the rest of the evening just wait until like a minute elapses until it's very convenient a little in the conversation and then reference something that was said in the past Actually Pushes up glasses
00:07:46
Speaker
Yeah, no, I definitely, so there's a word for this. I'm going to rapidly Google it because I can't remember it.
00:07:55
Speaker
It's irritation.
Social Interactions and Education Gaps
00:07:57
Speaker
It's not a phobia necessarily, but irritation brought on by hearing other people speak or choose out loud. Misophonia, thank you. I don't mean to go. I'm going to throw someone under the bus, but I'm not going to name them. Someone somewhere out there got named for the bus. Ian. I threw that out.
00:08:18
Speaker
I think I have a certain amount of tolerance for people who are not like this all of the time, but anyways, I think you're upbringing. Also, I try to have a little bit of empathy. If you don't realize it's a problem, that's one thing. If you were brought up in a family where everyone at the dinner table was eating with their mouths open, one, I'm so sorry. For you, right? That's miserable. My family was horses.
00:08:46
Speaker
Well, it's crazy that's definitely like a learned behavior again through like your upbringing so that means that both parents were also from families where there's like We don't give a shit so uh-huh But there was a guy at the computer lab I was working with on a project and I distinctly remember we got Taco Bell So, you know great start so an excellent start
00:09:09
Speaker
And he got some tacos, and I don't know how the food stayed in his mouth, basically. And I had a very friendly association with this fellow, and I just wanted to punch him, like really bad. And I realized later, I looked it up and I was like, okay, this is an actual thing. I didn't punch him, by the way.
00:09:31
Speaker
Because violence is not I can't yes It's about making in the middle But that was more obnoxious to me In the comp side apartment than any of the other stuff body odor lack of personal decorum anything like that Couldn't stand it
00:09:50
Speaker
I will say for me, I mean, I definitely agree that that is annoying, but I haven't come across that as much. The body odor thing is obviously a lot more common with people, but I had a friend who, growing up, I don't know if his deodorant broke, or if he just chose to never have it, but there were a lot of times, I'm like, yo, who's cooking red onions? Oh, no, okay. It just...
00:10:15
Speaker
It's like the deodorant brand mentions that it helps nine out of 10 people and he's always the first person or he's always in that other group. I'm number two. His power is immune. I was gonna say everyone here has grown up around the stage where
00:10:33
Speaker
body spray was popular for a while. So I never understood it as a deodorant. It was more so a lazy cologne for teenagers. And my God, you know, 11th grade gym locker room, just a haze of, you know, a mixture of whatever was, you know, spiced up in the air. Yeah.
00:11:01
Speaker
But after pool days too, we'll get some chlorine in the mix. Why am I going to third period with a fucking headache? Weird. I was homeschooled for most of my life, so thankfully I got to avoid most of that until making it to college. And although there were some people at college that still had those issues, I don't know, it was a large campus and you could keep people at arm's reach.
00:11:29
Speaker
And to some extent, the one quote unquote benefit of public schools, you kind of got bullied into social norms sometimes if you weren't accustomed to them.
00:11:45
Speaker
I, you know, Jake, you're definitely a wonderful person. I've never had any basic complaints about you, even though this is an excellent disclaimer, but me waiting for this fucking to shoot. Yeah. As he's like putting the bullet in the rifle, both comes back.
00:12:06
Speaker
I will say um being a recent uh discord and twitch moderator some of the weirdest people i've dealt with prefaced uh their introduction as i've been homeschooled all my life and boy howdy is it obvious over like a voice chat um for a little bit you know you there's you can excuse them but you know
00:12:32
Speaker
A little bit of bullying might help push these people in the right direction.
00:12:42
Speaker
It might be possible to word that in a way of this. No, no, bully them. It's more like shove them in a locker, you know, if they're over the internet, you know, swat them. I'm kidding. That was a joke. I know, I know. You're not wrong, though, right? Like, because being in adverse situations and then overcoming those situations is how you grow as a person. And that's the problem with being homeschooled is if you're never put in
00:13:08
Speaker
a situation where you need to navigate the social landscape and waters around you. Like, you're bad at it. And I was bad at it. I went to community college and I don't remember if I ever told a story or not, but there was like a girl I liked. I like was friends with her for a bit and then I could not talk to her.
00:13:25
Speaker
ever like literally just could not talk to her and like if we just passed like between classes or something like that I mean like I was just in this whole emotional state of I have no idea how to reconcile this right because I didn't have any experience in that landscape.
00:13:45
Speaker
Weird. I've never had that experience. Check out this guy. So, so weird. But like, if you, if you're homeschooled your entire life, that's, that's when it gets a little bit tough, right? Cause I made some mistakes in community college about how I interacted with people, learned some lessons from that. And then when I got to university, which is what people overseas call it.
00:14:09
Speaker
I didn't have all of my social skills like maxed out and I still don't, but they were like I could pass minimum, right? Going to the computer science, there were people who were lower than me and the compatibility score. The bars automatically lower when you get into that major. But I mean, you know, going back like not necessarily bullying, but it's always nice to have a friend who could help, you know, correct
00:14:37
Speaker
Some things politely like hey man This person it's kind of
00:14:47
Speaker
They think you smell. So maybe you should look into this because I know at least there's a weird time in your teenage life where you never had to use deodorant. And then all of a sudden one day it's like, dang, those stink. I should do something about it. So I get it for teenagers, but when you're in college, it's like, hey,
00:15:15
Speaker
I think that particular problem is also a little bit complicated, it's not the right word, but because it has to do with smell, people can get used to however their house smells or their room smells or whatever and eventually your body is just like it doesn't seem like anything, you just go outside and you're like, oh man, fresh air is nice, right? But you don't realize why it smells so nice because your room is a mess or whatever or your body is a mess.
00:15:40
Speaker
Outside smells like Febreze, weirdly. But yeah, I mean, I agree. We could have an episode just on homeschooling, but my hot take on it is usually it's a mistake. It's getting more popular. I don't think that's good. Yeah, I would agree.
00:16:02
Speaker
It has its benefits, obviously. Like for me where I was at, because I did homeschooling from fourth grade through eighth. So middle school was like, fuck all that. But specifically it came about because
00:16:19
Speaker
After like third grade, like I wasn't really enjoying school. I mean, I was a kid. I was like eight years old or however old, like obviously wasn't, you know, it wasn't my favorite thing in the world. And I was like, I don't like school. I want to go. I was like, well, what do you think about homeschooling as a possibility? I was like, oh my God, there's an alternative? Yeah. Sign me up for that shit.
00:16:39
Speaker
And also, it allowed me to learn at a pace that was more comfortable for me. So in certain areas, like math, I was able to jump ahead of where some other people were in those grades, which is nice for me. And then do other things at my own pace. That was cool. But holy shit did I hate my mom because she was the authoritarian at home and now also a schoolteacher.
00:17:09
Speaker
So it felt like you're getting extra assignments and chores and then also I didn't really have that social aspect. There was like a homeschool dance that I had to go to at some point and that thing was awkward as fuck because everyone was as socially inept as I was.
00:17:25
Speaker
Yeah. I was going to say, Dave, you know, one of the common funny things that happen in school sometimes is accidentally called the teacher, your mom. So after you left home school, did you have that issue? Like, hey, mom, sorry, Mrs. Smith. Mommy. I mean, sorry. I mean, I mean, mom. Dr. Coles would like frown at you so hard. He just be like, what are you doing?
00:17:55
Speaker
Yeah, I can answer for Dave. Dave never has that kind of issue. He usually refers to family members by the proper names and everyone else. I've never heard him call anyone daddy, except ironically.
00:18:10
Speaker
I just got air quotes from Dave. That's where it's fun is like inside baseball because the audience has no idea. We have to explain every time. Because without that, it's just silence, right? It's like, oh, how did the joke land? It seemed kind of funny to me, but I don't feel like I should laugh unless the mooch laughs or Dave laughs.
00:18:33
Speaker
You've been called daddy by Dave. Please email the podcast at soapstone But now I
00:18:46
Speaker
That is the big weakness with homeschool. The other thing is the rationale people use for homeschooling is oftentimes insufficient. Because I can second for Dave. It was nice when there was a course you could get ahead in. I was ahead in science. Makes sense. I was terrible at math because I'm like, Dave's mom. My mom was like, she didn't really know how to make us do the work. And so as a kid, I kind of had this mindset.
00:19:12
Speaker
of procrastination which doesn't help once you like grades but I think it's not that I'm usually as catch up over the summer something is like
00:19:29
Speaker
But yeah, it lacks the structure that public school does in a lot of ways. And then the other issue I personally have with it is like some people go into homeschooling because they're concerned about what their kids might learn in public school when those are actually things that your kids should learn.
00:19:46
Speaker
Like, I never had sex yet. At all. Ever. My entire life. Do you have a banana? Still hasn't. Yes. Again, it wasn't necessary. Comp Sci, we're all saving ourselves. There's a...
00:20:01
Speaker
I'm not going to give the appropriate credit here, but there's a joke I overheard on a podcast that I think is cute to tell if you'll allow me to share it. So basically, it's a sex ed joke where the teacher's like, oh, all right, I'm going to teach you kids about sex ed. Does anybody have a banana? They're like, oh, yeah, what's banana for? It's like, I can't get an erection without potassium. Oh, no.
00:20:28
Speaker
I thought it was funny. We can move on from that. Um, that was pretty funny. It was pretty funny. I had to cough actually, cause I was laughing. So I muted myself again, sabotaging the podcast. Yeah. Like that was a good thing to have in school. I mean, everybody was obviously a teenager and laughing at it, but it's still good to know they had home ec as well. It's like, Hey, you can learn how to cook some basic stuff. Like all that stuff was just nice general purpose knowledge that.
00:20:52
Speaker
I mean, depending what your home life is, like your parents aren't going to go over these more nuanced things or they might forget or maybe just never talk about it because their parents didn't really talk about it.
00:21:03
Speaker
Yeah, you don't want teenage pregnancy. I feel like that's safe to say. We should go around and mention what the talk was like. That's a good topic for a podcast. I can go first. My dad asked kind of like a statement, actually, not a question. You know about sex, right? And I said, yeah. And then I didn't actually know that much about it, but he's like, OK, phew. And that was the end of the talk. We just finished the drive and that was it.
00:21:34
Speaker
That's my story. It never happened to me, but I own Conker's Bad Fur Day and the Daisy with the... never mind. If you know, you know.
00:21:50
Speaker
Dave. Now we know why you like to play farming simulator. You know about that fertilization. Oh yeah. Mine was very similar to Jake's because it probably would have been sometime in high school. My dad was like, you know what the birds and the bees, right? I was like, yes, dad. And he just kind of like smiles. He's like, okay, we don't have to like go into it. Yeah.
00:22:15
Speaker
but yeah it was still that fatherly check of like do we need a conversation or like did you kind of pick it up without me having to go into it.
00:22:24
Speaker
But it's so like, insubstantial, right? There's re there's things that you should cover that, like, if it's like, Oh, you know, the basics, the practice, like penis, vagina, that you'd know what those are. Okay, you're good. Right. That's not enough information. That doesn't teach you like, here's how to do it safely. Uh, here's stuff about consent. Yeah. I feel like that concept just came up magically in the past 10 years, but like it's been around forever. Um, that just wasn't really.
00:22:52
Speaker
enforced or informed that much in our schooling or through parents. Um, again, just like assumed, oh, well, everyone wanted to know how everything works. But then you hear like the horror story of, I'm not going to go into detail, but of people who didn't do things correctly.
00:23:12
Speaker
I can remember when I didn't know about it, but pretended like I did. I think, yes, middle school. But I remember there's, you know, there's like always a couple of bad kids who just like never did well in school, like acted up, whatever. And one of them played football and they got to pick their numbers. And I remember he was high fiving people because he got the number 69 and I was like, uh-huh.
00:23:42
Speaker
Haha, that's funny. That's funny. And then we had CCD catechism every Wednesday and he was also in that and around Halloween he had gotten a little skeleton, you know, key chain, whatever, and he called it boner and, you know, high five and ha ha, that's when I'm like, yeah, that is funny.
00:24:07
Speaker
I don't know what's funny about it. It's a skeleton, it's full of bones, sure. But yeah, that was just like one of those childhood memories of just being completely ignorant but pretending not to be because, you know, that's the cool thing to do.
00:24:25
Speaker
Yeah, you always ask your friend later, you pull them aside like, hey, what the fuck is that about? And they also go, yeah, I don't know. No clue. Or if you're homeschooled, you just need to miss all of those sequences until later in life when everyone assumes even more that you understand them. I feel like a lot of parents' sex education is like if you're watching a movie and an inappropriate scene comes up, your mom just kind of covers your eyes and you're like, ah, this is probably the thing. Yeah. Man, I freaking remember that too.
00:24:56
Speaker
It's a United States thing, but there's a massive gulf between what's acceptable for violence in movies and television and stuff like that versus sex. My parents literally never gave me the talk. I never understood or I shouldn't say never understood. I didn't learn from them. Eventually, I had to learn from the internet, which is not a great place depending on how you're deriving some of this information.
00:25:21
Speaker
on but conversely little little like 10 year old me is emotionally sensitive and sub sees a guy get decapitated by a cannonball in Braveheart or whatever the crap. Patriot as well as Patriot. Mel Gibson movie I don't know. Um and I'm like I have to run to another room and cry now like come on get your priorities together.
00:25:45
Speaker
Yeah. Only a little bit of trauma. The internet definitely helped me grow as a person, whether I liked it or not. Especially like, I mean, Reddit today is not what Reddit used to be.
00:26:00
Speaker
There's still sometimes Reddit lately, specifically with the war on Ukraine, which is like, hey, here's, you know, a drone dropping some sort of ordinance on these unsuspecting soldiers. Wanna watch? And I'm like...
00:26:18
Speaker
not really but like it's kind of auto playing right now but like even before that some of the things that would just you know people either send you i mean at least during my time in college uh remember uh there's always like those specific websites like cake farts and uh i'm not familiar with that one i heard of light week
00:26:46
Speaker
I can help you piece this one together. I could take an educated guess at what some of these things probably are, but you're talking about kind of gray area video distributors and stuff like that for clips.
00:27:00
Speaker
Well, just like weird things that people would send to you as like shock value. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All those shock videos. Like Mr. Hands. Leakspin. Yes, exactly. Meatspin. Yes. I was not feeling like I just leaked Leakspin. Leakspin was actually super catchy. I enjoyed that one more than Meatspin.
00:27:25
Speaker
But it was always just like, oh, you know, I could have gone in my entire lifetime without seeing that. But, you know, someone did that, filmed it. And then other people are like, you know what? I had to deal with someone sending me this. So now you have to suffer. Who shared trauma? Yeah.
00:27:42
Speaker
but that was also a big thing with a pirating content where you're like I sure hope this is an mp3 of the band that I like and the songs I heard on the radio and not something terrible
Early Internet and Safety Concerns
00:27:58
Speaker
I'm sure you guys are familiar with Reddit 50-50. This felt more like 90-10. I mean that's the way LimeWire was back in the day, right? I remember that prior to it going down.
00:28:14
Speaker
this mp3 is a lot larger than other mp3s like what do you say what's what's going on here um and there is a whole bunch of unpoliced suspicious content slash outright dad content yeah those early days
00:28:32
Speaker
Mel and I will occasionally bring up how it's like, you kind of miss the old internet. But some of that also was like, very bad and not great for children. Yeah. My, my peak example was being in middle school and being very interested in football. And there was a website just called the red zone. And the red zone is, you know, in football terms.
00:28:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's supposed to be like an NFL website about, you know, rumors, trades, whatever. But apparently there was a difference between the redzone.com and the redzone.org. And I went to .com and it was adult content and there were no filters in the computer lab in middle school back then. And it's like, no, no, no, go back.
00:29:21
Speaker
Thankfully, they cleared up the confusion. NFL Red Zone is now available on RedTube, which is much more straightforward. Yeah, I'll go there. That is such an older note. I don't know if that site's still around. I don't even know. I don't know. Basically, don't trust any website with tube in the name. That's my life advice. Yeah, especially the U1s.
00:29:47
Speaker
Uh-huh. Well, yeah, it can't be reputable if you're getting me involved, right? I have no idea. There's nothing else. Well, it's like a series of tubes, if you will. If nothing else, like all the internet exposure really helps me identify shady links. And if whichever like, you got to take a fishing thing, like the fuck I do, I know so much more than you, right? Uh-huh.
00:30:12
Speaker
Which one of these download links is the actual download link? None of them. Get off this website. It's like the main quote. Like you were born in the darkness. I was like... Molded by it. You were... you merely adopted the internet. Yes. I was born into it molded by it. I didn't see the grass until I was a man.
00:30:41
Speaker
I think it's probably good that that's gone. The part of the problem though is like if you think about the old internet and how open and free and wild west it was and everything that was out there, like imagine an internet with
00:30:56
Speaker
that complete lack of safety controls and then you have like the as many extreme actors and people trying to convince people of things that are untrue and misinformation and all of that crap that's going on right now with the rails on right like with people visiting some of the same sites and things like that it's like it would I don't know I have to imagine it'd be so much worse it's a libertarian's dream just no rails
00:31:26
Speaker
But everyone's in a tram. That's the problem. Everyone is in a tram and there's nowhere else. I feel like our parent generation and UP can't really parse or decipher any of that.
00:31:42
Speaker
It is difficult. I recently showed my parents a chat GPT and boy howdy did it blow their minds but some of the things that they were like typing in were just like cute and innocent like my mom was just like her first thing was
00:32:02
Speaker
I would like an exercise regimen that would make me swim in the pool faster." And I was like, oh, that's so nice. And I remember my most recent one was like, okay, give me the reward ceremony of winning a third grade spelling bee as if you're Donald Trump.
00:32:19
Speaker
And it's stupid stuff, but their minds just go to, oh, let's actually use this as a real tool. And my mind is just like, stupid. Memes, please. Yeah. I mean, we talked about, we spent some time talking about AI in the past.
AI Misconceptions and Industry Impact
00:32:40
Speaker
We don't have to rehash all of it.
00:32:42
Speaker
Like, there's a big perception between people who are in the know about what it actually represents as like a chat bot, right, instead of AI.
00:32:53
Speaker
Like, because AI implies a lot of things across all of media, like all media for the last, like, 70 years, whatever. Whenever people assumed robots were going to rule over, they had an idea of what AI would be. And this one's like, no, it's just going to convince you of ideas that are untrue. And it's going to seem really authoritative about it. And that's scary in some ways, right? Because you can't deploy the military against it. So, yeah, it's,
00:33:21
Speaker
I don't know. I could still talk a lot about it. I know I opened with a preamble, but it's a very, very interesting space. But the fact that there's no regulation on it, I think is going to. We're going to see it in the news a lot.
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. We'll try and enforce some within the next couple of years, but it won't, it can't really completely match what it is or what it will be because of how it is. Like it's so, I don't want to say autonomous, but
00:33:53
Speaker
Because it's algorithm-based, you can't put in hard checks and balances to be like, only this or not that. Because even the things that they try to do still does not work as they expect. I'm not sure if any of you know how the first
00:34:11
Speaker
realization how powerful it wasn't. Now we're going on the topic of AI, but I just want to share this. It's fine. I'm fine. It's interesting to talk about. It was a very interesting point of... Dave can cut us off when he's ready. Yeah. Dave, just pull the cord. But, you know, Microsoft had a bunch of people work on this and everybody had to sign NDAs and the only people who could talk about it were the people working on it.
00:34:35
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And at first, as a language model, it's always just predicting what the next word is. It's not exactly like putting things together. And the first realization that one of the major testers found that it was actually something useful was that you fed it a list of items, just like, okay, you have a book, a pencil, a bowl, just these random items, and it says, okay,
00:35:03
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How can I stack these you know in the most efficient way that all of them will be piled up together and In the previous version it was just like yeah you start with the pencil and then you put that on its top and then you put The book on top of it and it was like, you know, super silly made no sense the book Super stupid and then like, you know this new version came out and it's like oh
00:35:27
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No, actually, you know, you if you have a couple bowls, you know, they're smaller size, you can put them all on the same plane on the on top of the book, and then you stack this and that's that's when they realize, okay, it's not just, you know, predicting the next thing, it's actually able to parse out with some knowledge. And that was like a nice little story. But, you know,
00:35:53
Speaker
It's still scary as hell, so it might be able to tell me how to, you know, stack books and whatnot, but please don't take my job. I think we're very far from that, but it definitely is quite a reach from early internet days where it's like, here's this AIM chatbot. And you're like, oh, I can tell it's a chatbot in three messages, right? Yeah, right. You're like, hey, like, hey, how's it going? And you're trying to ask a specific question.
00:36:21
Speaker
And it's like, what are you up to today? And you could tell pretty quickly, but now, if they just had an account message you on Discord, and it wasn't labeled as bot, it could probably get away with a lot more. And that's where it becomes concerning, because phishing attacks are real, but it's always because it's, hey, here's something that's proposed as factual, or it seems legitimate.
00:36:48
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And you're like, oh yeah, I can give you my bank account information. This looks very official as far as documentation and the PNG you use for your logo. That's how they get you.
00:37:01
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Yeah, I don't think anyone here is going to get scammed by someone telling us to go to Walmart and get a bunch of gift cards and send them out. But with the whole AI being able to dub, I don't know if any of you have seen Siri now, the latest update of Siri. You just talk for a couple seconds and you can change Siri's voice to your own voice.
00:37:28
Speaker
And, you know, um, you, you know, that can go into, Hey, scammer calls your parents. They're able to like train, get a model to train off that. And then they use that against you. So it's like, okay, these, these scammers are probably going to get a lot more advanced and that that's, that sucks. Yeah.
00:37:48
Speaker
I think we talked exactly about this one actually, and we're in the same headspace. People were already falling for implausible scams in voices that didn't sound like they were anyone that you knew. Plausible scams where the script is made by a large language model and the voice is of your grandchild? You're screwed. There's no way. You're screwed. There's no way. It's not a massive problem.
00:38:15
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There's really no escaping it. I also disagree with Dave. I don't think it's going to be years and years and years before it comes for people's jobs. People are going to lose their jobs much sooner, probably within a couple of years.
00:38:27
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Well, the writer's guild stuff, um, that recently came out how the big movie studios, they want to be able to use, uh, background actors and, um, you know, use pretty much deep fakes of them. And so your background actor for a day and then, okay, you sign, you signed over your likeness and we're going to use this, you know, throughout the rest of the movie, um, in perpetuity. And it's like, okay. Um, no, thank you. Mm-hmm.
00:38:57
Speaker
Well, at least from the last time I checked up on that, I was watching some stuff with Adam Conover regarding the writer strike. And one of the biggest issues they... But he's actually helping. One of the biggest things that came up in discussion pretty early on is the non-writers, it's like the movie executives pretty much stonewalled as far as
00:39:21
Speaker
Uh, they wanted to have chat GPT on the table as an option for something. And they're like, well, one, no, because one, it can't actually replace writer job and like have harden thought. Um, but they just want to have it as an option in case they're like, Oh, somebody's charging too much. Like write a good script. We just want to have like another generic fucking Christmas movie. That's going to be on what channel is that hallmark? Another hallmark Christmas movie, right?
00:39:49
Speaker
But again, it's executives who are looking to find a cheaper way to do something that they need to make revenue. Oh, can we remove people from it? Awesome. But it's like, even when assembly lines came to a thing, I was like, oh, we're going to lose all of our jobs. And it's like, well, some jobs might be shifted, but you still need people to operate that machinery. Like the technology itself is not so wholly sustainable on its own. Right.
00:40:17
Speaker
I think that's fair, but the assembly line comparison is super apt because a lot of people did lose their jobs when assembly lines became a thing, right? Because the new jobs became, you need to oversee the machinery and maybe have a couple manual tasks between phases of whatever's being produced. I think that's going to be the exact same for AI, for large language models. For people who are on the ground right now programming code from scratch, they're probably going to start
00:40:44
Speaker
with a smaller team of people who grab some pre-generated code, given a prompt, and then they're gonna be like, the people are smart enough to realize this makes sense, this doesn't make sense, this needs to be tweaked. But starting from scratch anymore, I think is gonna become a lot less frequent.
00:41:00
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especially once it's going to hit other fields like legal fields and things like that. It all depends on where you put the walls up. If you put the walls up around, what's the word for it when it makes stuff up?
00:41:17
Speaker
There's an industry term for it. It's not daydreaming. It's something like that. Hallucinating. Hallucinating. That's the industry term for it when AI, when a large language model makes up a non-fact, basically. Industries where they set those walls up with more rigorous standards, it could just be like a quick lookup for a legal case or something like that.
00:41:41
Speaker
always going to be need there's always going to need to be people who are checking it because where they don't check it. That's when you end up in the news, right? Like for the people that were citing legal cases that did not exist. But it also made it through a lot of review before they realized it didn't exist. Right. So yeah.
00:41:59
Speaker
As somebody who has worked as a dev for over a decade, I love the idea of automating certain things, but taking a business process and making it easier for people who use it day to day so they don't have to input all this data or move stuff around or maybe check some things. Maybe we can put rules in place so it doesn't have to exist.
00:42:20
Speaker
but I will say, um, it has to work fucking perfectly. Otherwise, um, the people who are not technically minded, it'll be very easy for them to say like, Oh, well, like the technologies and the codes doing that, I'm just going to assume that's blatant truth all the time and never check anything.
00:42:39
Speaker
And then things will slip through because one, you probably did not have enough requirements at the get go and enough testing to say, Hey, this works a hundred percent perfectly and not it's pretty good most of the time. Yeah.
00:42:52
Speaker
Because there are other factors at play. I have a day-to-day process moving data from one system to another, but we'll run into issues where the data itself coming in is fine, but maybe somebody is a part of the process along the way had an oopsie, and that's something we need to go and mitigate and resolve. Maybe there was a networking issue that came up, a bit of a hiccup.
00:43:13
Speaker
It can't solve everything perfectly all the time unless you have all the parameters ahead of time to say, here are all the possible use cases we need to account for.
00:43:25
Speaker
In my example, I'm imagining if you were making bread rather than this current standard of like take salt and take flour and take water and put all this stuff together and then go through the entire process to make bread, what AI and large language models are going to do is they're going to give you dough. And if business owner see that and they're like, hey, that's bread, baby. Like, yeah, they're going to end up in a lot of trouble. But people are going to need to learn to start with dough.
00:43:52
Speaker
to lean on, to just absolutely just lean entirely on the analogy until it collapses under its own weight. Well, how do you guys feel about, I think it's only like experimental, like a couple of places, but like obviously Japan is usually at the forefront of cool technology involving food, like with certain vending machines or they'll even have like a couple of machines of like, oh, I can automatically make you a pizza. You order this and be like, okay, I will get the dough, lay it out, put on some sauce, cheese and toppings.
00:44:24
Speaker
I think it comes down to sort of like how art is seen today because one of the most annoying things, at least what Mel and I have talked about, is people who will go to these AI generators
00:44:40
Speaker
and type in some prompt and then post on Reddit, look, I made, you know, this AI bot made a different version of Superman for every country in the world. And it's like, okay, cool. You didn't do anything. You typed into Google, got something that you put no time or effort into. But then, you know, when it comes to food,
00:45:00
Speaker
It's like, yeah. Everyone here will enjoy a nice Domino's pizza every now and then. That's like a factory line. You can probably... Yeah, Dave's shaking his head. Anyway, you know, cheap pizza, it'll hit the spot when you need it done. However,
00:45:17
Speaker
If you get invited to a nice Italian joint in Brooklyn, they're making a coal-fired pizza that someone's grandmother made the sauce for the night before, and there's a different level of love that went into it, and it's going to be of higher quality most likely, and also you're going to get a better experience because
00:45:41
Speaker
The other part of dining isn't just the food. It's, you know, the ambiance, it's the crowd, it's, you know, the service. And it's like, yeah, there are some cool things where, you know, you go to a restaurant and a robot will deliver your food. However, it's really nice to get a very personable server who, you know, might be cracking jokes or just like, you know, on, you know,
00:46:05
Speaker
Their their game as far as like refills things like that giving you personal recommendations for for drinks I think Dave we're at a we are at Cheesecake Factory and Dave ordered a drink and the server went don't get that and he's like oh because that's usually not something someone would tell you this is like no actually like a lot of people order this it's not super great and you know it tastes like this and you wouldn't get that from a robot and
00:46:34
Speaker
So it's like, yeah, certain things can be automated to a point, but like part of like the human experience still involves other humans being involved.
00:46:47
Speaker
For now. For now. Sometimes humans suck. I agree. But I want to point out one thing, at least as an observation for me. So if there's a machine that's automatically making what constitutes as a pizza, obviously I don't think it's going to taste that great. You're not going to have that dining experience with it.
AI Art and Human Creativity
00:47:09
Speaker
But as far as some of the AI art's concerned, some of the stuff that it can make is fucking gorgeous.
00:47:16
Speaker
But obviously there's no heart in it, but if I'm just looking at standalone, is this pretty to me or not? For me it just automatically can check that box.
00:47:27
Speaker
But is it impressive to you? Because at the end of the day, you know, it's training off something that already exists, which is generally other people's art, right? So someone else's talent went into that training model and used as inspiration. So it's like, at some point, I think it was a couple weeks ago, I saw that some of the art is getting diluted because it's using its own art that it's created as
00:47:56
Speaker
Training data and it just made it worse. Yeah Because you know at the end of the day everything has started with Some human creating something and then that robot going out and grabbing it and learning from it
00:48:12
Speaker
I mean, I would always prefer an original over a copy, but for me, I like high detail in art. I don't understand the, God, I'm forgetting the one style of painting, Baroque. Don't fucking get it. Don't like it. It's not for me. It's too vague, not detailed enough. But I like these really high fidelity representations of things. I'm like, holy fuck, how did you do that with just paint and canvas? Because it looks like an actual scene of something.
00:48:43
Speaker
So for me, I just want something close to it, but I would prefer an actual piece of art versus we stole this and then cheated to make something else with it. I think it's, I'm, so I'm the transhumanist here, right? So I don't care about people, you know, they're just getting away.
00:49:02
Speaker
But I'm just kidding. Kind of. I don't know. I use AI-generated art for tabletop campaigns, tokens, things like that. It's like, hey, if I need someone with a cool futuristic mask and I want them to look like a cowboy and I want them to be like, you know, pixelated or maybe a mountain in the background or something like that, that's what it's super great at.
00:49:31
Speaker
And I agree that once it starts cannibalizing itself and its own art, that could lead to situations where the art quality degrades. And it really sucks if your art was scraped to make all of this and maybe your style of mountain, right? Because it's not like it's just copy paste. It finds the closest thing on a Google search and then sends it at you. It is doing some processing in the background, right?
00:50:00
Speaker
In some extreme cases, it might be pretty close to a copy paste, but generally it's incorporating things from different art aspects based off of whatever you type, right? The easiest way to tell that is to ask it to generate different pieces and different styles, right? But I'm talking about mid-journey specifically right now.
00:50:23
Speaker
The counterbalance to me is all of the effort people put into things. I care about humans, contrary to my opening point. A lot of my friends are artists, and it's hard for me to say you can spend weeks or a month working on this piece.
00:50:43
Speaker
Try to charge a lot of money for it, but most people are going to go have a $15 monthly subscription where they can generate something that looks vaguely like this in a couple seconds because like time and money are the factors people use when they make purchasing decisions around things like this.
00:51:03
Speaker
Do you think this is pivoting to sort of an investment sort of discussion? I don't have any money to invest. We told you specifically before you came on, you can't post your new startups.
00:51:18
Speaker
Sorry, IPO, we're going to release. Anyway, but you know, one of the main investment tool of the ultra wealthy is original artwork. Do you see in say like 10 years, there being some sort of AI generated artwork that would be part of someone's investment profile?
00:51:42
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probably not
00:51:59
Speaker
Shut the fuck up. People will spend a lot of money on dumb things and then justify it how they want. So yes, I do think that... Dave doesn't usually tell the guests to shut the f up. I'm judging Demouche's purchases of art. No, I do see it as a possibility because people will do stuff like that. I don't think it makes as much sense, but I have some family members who
00:52:29
Speaker
on my mom's side like they've done well enough they do have some art in their home but like they will look for other art by a specific artist because like they really speak to them i think art can be like a very personal experience of you see something in it maybe it's the amount of time the art is put into it maybe there's something in it that speaks to you because it reminds you of something
00:52:52
Speaker
whatever it is. But again, it's prescribed value that you're giving to it. You're like, oh, I'm willing to pay X amount because it's important to you. In the same way, I might spend money on video games and other people are like, I wouldn't do that, but I like to spend money when I go out to eat. It's really where you're prescribing the value.
00:53:12
Speaker
So for me, I like all the art that I have by Mango. And it's cool that I know her, and I get to see her art evolve over time. And I have some original stuff. I'm like, holy shit, how cool is that? But also, that's to me. It might not be for everybody who's in that exact same boat.
00:53:31
Speaker
Yeah, I think that cuts to the quick of the argument, really, is what is the intrinsic versus extrinsic value? And if the audio sounds a little bit weird, it's because I'm moving the microwave from a cat in real time that's about to climb on top of me.
00:53:49
Speaker
if you know a person that lends, you know, passion or personal investment to it. Whereas if everyone's work that they were creating all ended up in a round robin museum, basically, and you just picked whatever matched your sensibilities, then that's closer to the reality that AIR gives us, right? Yeah.
00:54:15
Speaker
I appreciate the time that has gone into these pieces of work that someone actually created, but I do understand the value of something that you can type in and get a very high quality image of for whatever you need.
00:54:36
Speaker
You know, in the comparison of a Redditor typing in a prompt and submitting that versus someone else posting their, you know, art they took an entire year to build. I definitely will value one over the other just because of that time investment.
00:54:53
Speaker
Right. Yeah. It's something that you as a person can appreciate because you've also invested your time and effort into something. So when you get to see the fruits of that labor, it has meaning to you. So like for me, the smallest thing I have going on right, I guess the biggest thing I've going on right now is a very small thing in that I always get to some pepper plants by a friend.
00:55:15
Speaker
and some were planted outside
00:55:31
Speaker
I'm about to get very metaphysical and too real, so I'll stop on that. I mean, that's a good point. I might have to make an edit there because of the cat. But that's going to be the trick, I think, right? Traditionally, it depends. If this is part of a commercial process, I think AIR is going to win out every time. If it's part of a collection process where sentimentality is involved,
00:55:56
Speaker
I think people art is generally going to win out. And as far as to whether this makes the atmosphere better or worse for artists, I think it objectively makes it worse. And artists already were the impoverished, haha joke, like major in school, like hope you like making minimum wage for your entire life.
00:56:16
Speaker
harsh comments and things like that that are said and some people escape that but others really kind of do struggle against the grain to put out you know a lot of impassioned work product that is going to have to compete against the mass-produced factory stuff now. So it's not super great for them or for any other career that's going to be you know hit really hard by AI and I think that's just going to continue to scope out just like the industrial revolution.
00:56:45
Speaker
The other one I wanted to mention, this is specific to us, but the people who make descriptions for podcasts based off of the content of the podcast. This was a distinct position in the past, and now I know that they're getting hit really hard by AI. Anybody who's doing text, subscribing, transcribing, in some reason, stuff like that, they're getting hit really hard too. Or run out for the homies.
00:57:15
Speaker
and see all of the job and that he had to come well it was that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that
00:57:43
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not that often. It's better than it was though. It used to be miserable. Public television? Yeah. My father's hard of hearing and it was always very interesting because everything we'd watch on TV would have the closed caption on and it's like, you know, that was always either very much lagged behind or would miss a bunch of words or like confuse a word for another thing.
00:58:08
Speaker
So even just having that automated on YouTube is great for people who are disabled, but there's so much content out there. It's like you had to automate that to some extent.
00:58:26
Speaker
Also, I don't know Japanese. And it's worth noting that even on YouTube, the automatic transcribe oftentimes will get replaced by, if it's a popular video or whatever, someone going in and doing manual transcription because it'll be more accurate. Or if it's like a meme video or something like that, sometimes there's jokes in the caption as well, which is always worth it. But I don't know.
00:58:53
Speaker
AI is probably not the last time we're going to talk about AI and I think everyone has a take. We're basically betting on the slider between utopia and dystopia where it lands and the slider is also broken down by profession.
00:59:12
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and social economic class and singularity where AI is going to be like, oh, I want to decide on inputs for CRISPR. And that's how we get our designer babies. That'd be good. I don't trust humans for that anyways, right? Like, they're not going to know what a good baby is. We need a stringent AI with a significant number of tests, right?
00:59:36
Speaker
Yeah, we need a non-buys AI that's not fed in by humans. Uh-huh. Large language models, that is not so...
00:59:47
Speaker
um let's see though uh so i'm really glad we skipped that topic right so what you been playing um i'm almost done tears of the kingdom oh my gosh i'm about to fight ganondorf how many hours also spoilers do you mean the protagonist oh yeah yeah no we don't
01:00:08
Speaker
Yeah, other Zelda versions have nothing to do with Ganon. I don't know. Generally, since we have one switch, Mel and I go back and forth between it. Do you use the same profile? Because I think it is broken out by profile.
01:00:25
Speaker
No, we don't use the same profile. So she's on our own story and I'm on mine and it's been hard to like talk about it but not talk about it because we don't want to spoil each other. I still haven't been spoiled, thankfully. Please don't do it here.
01:00:46
Speaker
I'm having a really good time with it. And it's gotten to the point where it's like, I know there's so much out there. Like, for example, I know you can build a house. I have no idea where you can build a house. I have not gone to that area. And I'm about to beat the game, the main story, without having even touched this area. So I want to play it more. But also part of me is like, you need to complete it so you know, you can, you know,
01:01:13
Speaker
feel the victory but also complaining it's gonna make me not want to play it which you know it's hard juggling uh what to do i'm about i'm at the final section of this one game and it's i don't have the option like do i face this final encounter and close it out because afterwards i'm not gonna be like i want to go check the whole corner of the map
01:01:37
Speaker
Which is going to be for like a small consumable item that I don't need anymore to beat the game. Or do I explore everything and tire myself out and then not feel like doing the final encounter because I'm just like...
01:02:08
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the game plus
01:02:16
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it's hard to watch.
01:02:26
Speaker
But outside of that very specific instance, generally I treat seeing the credits as like this is my sign off, this is the end of my contract to play this game. I'm going to go check out other things on the backlog or rejoin society or lowest case priority touch grass one time, right?
01:02:47
Speaker
I get it. I get putting it off until it's done. Until you're ready to close it. For me, and you can see on your profile, I think on the top left, it'll show you recent game time. For any games you've played recently, it'll tell you the total amount of time you put into it rounded to the nearest five hours, because Nintendo, it doesn't ever make any sense. For me, it was 125 hours when I saw the credits.
01:03:12
Speaker
pretty long game definitely over 100 hours um unfortunately i can't pick up my switch and look at it right now because melis has it currently and is playing that's fair but you know i've actually turned to uh the steam uh
01:03:33
Speaker
page and the steam sale has ended even though it says it's ending sometime today. It has sometimes apparently ended in the past hour or two. Oh no. Change your time zone quick. Yeah, just use the clock. Yeah, so I don't know what I'm gonna play after this.
01:03:51
Speaker
You know what I picked up? There's that like, wow, I can't remember the name of it, but the bit shooter, the little... Battlebit? That's the one, Battlebit Remastered. It wasn't on sale when I checked, but it's like 15 bucks. Well, yeah, I'll pick it up, try it out.
01:04:08
Speaker
Haven't played it yet. Couldn't say, but anything that's, you know, a competitor in the Call of Duty space that is, or Battlefield space, more realistically, that's so tiny and indeed develops, and $15, I'm for it. I heard it's like a Minecraft shooter. That's all I know about it. It really isn't. Like if you look at it, it looks, well, the graphics look like Minecraft.
01:04:36
Speaker
But the gameplay looks a lot closer to Call of Duty, like actually putting in mags and sprinting and all of that stuff. It's just the graphical fidelity is D-Res like 15 times. So it's very novel. I like that they're interacting in that space. And also that we're going back to the 90s where the player count was the thing that mattered.
01:04:59
Speaker
Um, 256 players at a time. So good luck running out of slots for land party. What was that mag?
01:05:15
Speaker
And what about Mac? There was a game, I think it came out for like PS3, but one of its big selling points is like you could have like 256 players in a game at a time. But it was kind of like a big team-based shooter. Gotcha. That could be true. I just remember it was big when Battlefield was 64 and 32 versus 32. I think it's been a while since that was the case.
01:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, Battlefield was my go-to in my early 20s, and that was the one time I actually participated in a clan that played the games altogether, not doing racist stuff.
01:06:00
Speaker
Everybody has a side hobby. Yeah, I was always called a tank whore because I wasn't great. I wasn't great at, you know, necessarily aiming with the gun in game. But, you know, yeah, give me a vehicle in battlefield and 42 and two and everybody would constantly leave on the other side because I was just.
01:06:24
Speaker
that good with it. I kind of miss it, but I don't think Battlefield's been necessarily good in the past couple years.
01:06:33
Speaker
I haven't checked in, but part of it is because I've started lumping it in with Call of Duty as well. They're always making a new one. I don't feel like there's any continuity really for my play experience. I don't want to be stuck on a game. I want to play a game when it comes out with its multiplayer and feel like I can keep playing it. If there's a risk that there's a new version coming out in six months to a year, I'm actually disincentivized to pick it up.
01:07:02
Speaker
So sorry college Yeah, I was gonna say no one here. I think really plays Call of Duty, but has anyone seen the most recent update? That's been a little Kind of odd kind of fortnightly. I'm not caught up on it. Was it the skin? I saw I saw there's one with the skin
01:07:18
Speaker
Yes, that. Based on the hit Amazon show, The Boys, you can now play as a couple of the different characters on there, which it's really, really weird to see, you know, these superheroes with like, you know, M16s. Because, you know, when you have laser eyes, not really sure you need a gun, but one of the... It's not controlling your power level.
01:07:45
Speaker
Yeah, one of the things I saw on Twitter was just like this is a real Vought move like this is something that Corporation would do and hey That's where it's going. So I don't know if Call of Duty ends up getting a little goofy like Fortnite is but we fortnight or fall guys, right? Just yeah
01:08:07
Speaker
collabs with everything. Also, I've only seen like season one of the boys but aren't most of the supers in that like bad guys and sometimes like fascist bad guys.
01:08:24
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Right now, I think there's only three skins and clearly it's for, you know, hyping up the next season. But I guess this is just a way that these companies squeeze out a little more money without loot boxes or whatever. It's like this is your in-game advertisement through skins that you actually might have to buy to get. It's just kind of kind of odd. But alas, this is gaming in 2023.
01:08:53
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It's gonna get better though. What they're doing is this is the last disreputable, completely, like, morally bankrupt move. And then the FTC, they fell out of their case, uh, sided against them, uh, and in favor of, uh, ActiBlizz and Microsoft. So usually we don't interject news at the hour four minute mark, but
01:09:17
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Since you're literally talking about it, Microsoft's going to clean it up. Obviously, Microsoft wouldn't do this stuff. No, of course not. Should be good. I mean, I trust that corporation for sure. Of course not.
01:09:30
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Anyways, if you guys want to follow us, we're on threads now instead of Twitter, obviously. No, we're not. We weren't on either. So that changes. We'll let you know. Thank you for being a guest again today to much good to get your insights on on what's going on.
01:09:48
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And if we have a follow-up AI episode, maybe we'll just call you in. We'll just ring you on Discord and be like, you're alive right now. Don't say anything bad. I was going to say, I almost got away with no financial advice in this podcast, but alas.
01:10:06
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I'll provide financial advice. Just keep your money in your mattress. It's the only safe bet. Just withdraw it all right now, pay full taxes. It's fine. Run the bank. That hasn't happened at all this year. Exactly. It's like running the jewels.
01:10:27
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Which would be great for the outro, but we can't afford the David World teams. David World teams. Do what I say. We in the business. Keep going. Fuck she just finished it. RT and J. We the new PB and J.
01:10:43
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01:11:11
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