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E1 - Fear and all it's joys
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In the first episode of the Triple-T for knife maker's podcast we're really just getting our feet wet. You'll hear about the show, learn about my cohost, Jerid Sandoval from Echo Blades and just listen to us fumble through our first attempt! Stay tuned folks, it surely will get better!
Your hosts:
Denis Tyrell of Tyrell Knifeworks: https://www.instagram.com/tyrellknifeworks/
https://www.youtube.com/c/TyrellKnifeworks
https://www.tyrellknifeworks.com
Jerid Sandoval of Echo Blades:
https://www.instagram.com/echo_blades/
Links related to things we discussed:
Red Beard Ops, How to make a knife with basic tools: https://youtu.be/cxRWIvanzls?si=yDWmbOGb2195nOW0
Two Basterd's Smithy & Supplies https://www.facebook.com/TwoBasterds/
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Transcript
Introduction to Triple T for Knife Makers
00:00:11
Speaker
Thank you all for joining me and my buddy Jared Sandoval for the Triple T for Knife Makers podcast. This is episode one. And folks, it's probably going to be pretty rough because we're new at this. So bear with us. Jared, how's it going? Good buddy about yourself. It's going all right. This is good. I'm nervous. This is a new thing for me. Yeah.
00:00:35
Speaker
It's kind of like that time you put me in front of the camera to do the YouTube video. That's right. They're like, oh, you know, this is easy, but I can see it. I can hear it in your voice now. This is great. I love this. These folks got me off my game. And for everyone coming from the YouTube channel that expects me one way, I can tell you a little PSA, you're going to see the raw
00:01:03
Speaker
Dennis Terrell here. Like Jared said, the Jared version. So probably not something you want to listen to near the kids. There's probably going to be some language and some funny stories. So yeah, be warned.
Jared's Knife-Making Origin Story
00:01:20
Speaker
You've been warned. So Jared, since maybe not everybody knows you, introduce yourself. Tell us about yourself. Give us the origin story.
00:01:29
Speaker
Oh, the origin story. Well, yeah, my name is Jared Sandoval. Go by EchoBlades. Very comfortable with saying I'm a newer knife maker. But now that I think about it, it's been two and a half years. Yeah, it's been two and a half years and trying to
00:01:56
Speaker
The journey's been really, really, really incredible, right? It's, it's a funny story. I mean, we want to talk about origin and I guess I can get there, but like, I think this is a good segue into kind of like where I'm at right now. Because if I say two and a half years ago, I was playing a video game with some friends and I had just started collecting pocket knives. Like I literally, I spent $50 on a Spyderco Tenacious folder blade. And I just.
00:02:25
Speaker
you know, I was trying to explain to my wife why I just spent $50 on a knife that we could buy at, you know, Walmart for a couple bucks. And it was a major purchase. And, you know, and I was like, you know, it's, it's for the boys, right? You know, kind of just doing my thing. And the, that led into me watching some YouTube with some guy,
00:02:48
Speaker
doing a mod on because a lot of the EDC community, they do a lot of modifications to these folder knives. And I saw somebody take one of these knives apart and dip it in this like really dangerous acid stuff and like put a stonewash finish on it, right? And I was just like,
00:03:09
Speaker
All right, here we go. So I did that. But I mean, you guys, it's it's hilarious. Now I'm thinking about it, right? I had full gloves on like the big rubber glove. I cracked the bottle of ferric chloride like 10 feet away from me because I didn't want to get it all over me. It was it was pretty funny. But I did that stonewash mod on this knife. And then I told my buddies that I was gonna I was gonna make a knife. Right. And we play a video game.
00:03:38
Speaker
Call of Duty. And, uh, our, our clan tag was called echo unit. And, you know, I said, you know, I'm just going to, I'm gonna say the first fuck on the podcast. I was like, fuck you guys. I'm going to make a knife. I'm going to make a real knife and I'm going to, you know, call my name echo blades. And it was all just a joke, you know? And, you know, I started, that's how it all started. Really started watching YouTube and,
Different Approaches in Knife-Making
00:04:05
Speaker
uh,
00:04:07
Speaker
came across, you know, I think it was actually a red beer. James was the first video that I saw. He made his like introduction or how to make a knife cheap, you know, with basic tools or something like that. And it kind of was like,
00:04:25
Speaker
Um, the light went on. Yeah, it was like, it was like a sort of like, it was like magic, right? Cause you see, you see all these knives and you know, they, they're, they're one piece and they're made, right? But like how they, how it gets to that point was like just completely foreign, right? So, but he kind of unlocked like the whole process for me and made it like seem possible. So, you know, shout out to James over there at red beard. Cause like it really all started after I watched that video and it just unleashed this.
00:04:53
Speaker
neurodivergent brain of mine to just absolutely hyper focus on like this thing. And two and a half years later, you know, I'm I'm where I'm at now making knives that I never thought were possible. And it's been a it's been a crazy journey. But yeah, so that's that's how it all started. And you know, I met Dennis on this wing and a prayer type of Hail Mary post on Facebook. I kind of
00:05:23
Speaker
related to, um, like a
00:05:28
Speaker
It literally was a Hail Mary. What's the Blade forums? That's what it was. Blade forums, they suggested that you connect with the makers in your local community and don't use a name like Blademaster5000. Use your real name. I don't know why that sticks out to me, but it really did. Try to connect with somebody. I put this message out on this Facebook group. What is it? The big one. Oh, bladesmithing for beginners.
00:05:56
Speaker
Yeah, there's like, oh, there's a couple people like 100,000 people. It's almost 150,000 people in that one. Yeah. So I was like, Hey, I'm a new maker from Bay Area, California. And, you know, anybody local here, it was weird, because it started in like, LA
00:06:17
Speaker
Northern way, Northern California and like started to like creep closer into Vacaville. Whoever this dude is, man, I'll probably never meet him and I don't remember his name, but like he was like, Hey, I'm on my, you know, and I was like, cool. I checked him out and I, I did some Facebook research and that.
00:06:34
Speaker
And I saw it, I was like, nope, you're going to kill me. So I was like, oh yeah, hell no. So I, I moved on and then, uh, and then you reached out to me and I was like, you know, and then through James, that, that whole, um, what was it? The first YouTube challenge.
00:06:55
Speaker
The Kyoto. Yeah. And you're like, yeah, check out my video. And I'm like, Holy shit. Like I watched this guy. Yeah. And little die now, you know, here we are. Yeah. It is funny. Cause he, and for everyone else, um, Jared and I are like, we live like 20 minutes apart and like 20 minutes apart. And, uh, he drives by my house every day to go to work. So, uh, every day. Yeah.
00:07:22
Speaker
So yeah, that's cool. And it's funny that you have a totally different entry into knife making than I did. Like you came from the collector EDC side. I never, I never even owned a knife. I never collected knives. My son did, but I was never into, still not into collecting knives.
Mentorship and Community's Role
00:07:42
Speaker
It I came from like I wanted to do the you know the The artsy knives like that. I that's why I want to get it. I had no interest in production knives I didn't want anything didn't care about them. I still don't not really into production knives that much I can appreciate them, but
00:08:00
Speaker
I'm just not a collector type, but it's an interesting perspective to hear like you and Brent Baldman and that trip from Blade Show to Florida where you guys are talking about EDCs and this and that. It was like an eye opener for me to how much you guys are into the production knives and you know all the aspects of it and how important certain things are. I think it's important for me to say that. Maybe yourself too, you can relate or not or somebody else out there.
00:08:30
Speaker
But like I'm really not a knife guy. Like the, the progression of how this all started from like my very first purchase of a pocket knife was in like April of 21.
00:08:45
Speaker
And I started making knives in like August of 21. So like it was like, but you know, the way I kind of get down, I obsess over things and get go all in. And then it's all I can think about. And so in that short span, I I ended up buying like, you know, 10 pocket knives and got into fixed blades and all like, whoop, lickety split. But, you know, the other thing I was going to say is that prior to knife making,
00:09:13
Speaker
Like my wife and I always joke that, you know, she would, she would fix things around the house. Um, I could go into Home Depot and literally turn around and walk out in like five minutes. Cause there was nothing in there that interests me. I, and I say this with a complete and a hundred percent honesty prior to a couple, maybe six months before I started making,
Dennis' Stainless Damascus Steel Challenge
00:09:35
Speaker
I had made a built a bench, um, to do some
00:09:40
Speaker
to try to be a man to have like a garage and like, have a tool and do something. It was right when COVID happened. I think a lot of us kind of tried to get, you know, into some things, but, um, that, that was, uh, I was the first time I ever cut a piece of wood on purpose.
00:09:58
Speaker
Like I was 40 something years old. I'm 44 now. So 41 is a three years ago. Like, so making knives, not only did I have to learn how to like the process of making knives, but like using tools that could like, you know, kill me. Um, I still have like a deathly fear of the angle grinder, like that. It is a healthy fear. I realize that. And, and I think, uh, who put the fear of the buffer into me? Um,
00:10:25
Speaker
Henning camp. Yeah, Henning camp though. He's the, you know, director of, you know, emergency yard or something. And he was talking about, you know, somebody catching a, you know, and I was just like, Oh God. So those two, but, um, yeah, learning how to, I never knew what a grinder was, never owned a drill bike, the whole thing. So it's been like super data overload for me to, uh,
00:10:51
Speaker
from where I am right now, like, I'll have to send this to you, Dennis, a video. I might do a post, actually. My wife just sent me a picture of our garage when it was a garage. And now what it is now, it's pretty damn cool, actually. I remember when you had the little corner when I came over to help you with putting in the 220, and now it's like the whole thing, like, not even the back section.
00:11:18
Speaker
No, yeah, it's the whole thing. Everything in there is, except for some above storage, which I'm thinking about getting rid of because I could put some other stuff up there. No, not really that, but no, that'll stay there. I can tell you in the two plus years I've known you to see you move from like the first knife you made to now like that chef knife you showed me last week or the week before that has like
00:11:46
Speaker
perfectly straight grind. It's got like a
00:11:50
Speaker
5,000 on the edge or maybe 10,000 whatever perfectly straight. Like that's a, you've come a long way and uh, I think your knives are awesome now. So, man, I appreciate it. I appreciate that a lot. That means a lot for you guys that watch the, the videos and the YouTubes and stuff, you know, like obviously Dennis has been a huge help mentor that's kind of developed into a really good friendship and like,
00:12:18
Speaker
But how much I want to express how grateful I am, but also how lucky it is to, you know, have somebody. I mean, it's pretty cool because when I met you, you were like little.
00:12:34
Speaker
Terrell knife works like it is. I don't know. I've said this before to other people, but it like this meteoric fucking rise from, you know, just being a smaller thing into what it is now. That's been fun to watch. And, you know, on this side of the things, man, like seeing the things that you do is, you know, you really fantastic work. And it's really, really, really
00:13:02
Speaker
I'm pretty sure everybody hates me because, you know, I have a strong sense of like there. Some people are just like this guy, you know, but I mean, it's really cool to see all this stuff get built, you know, as I stopped by after work or something and see the real progression and stuff. It's been fun. And obviously you and I know we've become really close friends. So I wouldn't have anybody else on this podcast with me.
00:13:28
Speaker
I appreciate that, man. And I have no idea what I'm doing, how we're doing this, why I'm doing this. You know, it's just kind of this whole journey for me has just really been about doing things that I am not comfortable doing. I getting out of myself, reaching out to people, saying yes when I really want to say no. Trying something instead of talking myself out of it, you know, because I have a lot of self doubt about, you know,
00:13:58
Speaker
I never considered myself to make anything, right? And the amount of vulnerability that a maker does when he shares his work with the world, I say,
Embracing Failure and Learning
00:14:10
Speaker
that's why I'm gonna pitch Lawrence right now, buddy. I'm still proposing that there's this badass 1300 followers on IG, but if you come and support this guy. No, but I mean, when I say the world, but with anybody, it's really a vulnerable
00:14:28
Speaker
state where you're just like you put everything into this and then you hand it to somebody and you get somebody that's, you know, respectful, you get a douche bag, you get a, you know, somebody that's gives you some honest feedback, somebody that doesn't give a shit that, you know, it's really a weird experience, you know, I told everybody should try it. The class, the guy had over for a class this weekend, I told them the, the Mike V story when you handed him your knife. Oh, God.
00:14:56
Speaker
Speaking of, that's why I can't see you. I don't have my glasses, but... Mike Vagnino is the master smith I went to, and when I went for my journeyman test, Jared came along. And if you don't know Mike Vagnino, you really should talk to him at Blade Show. He's a really funny guy.
00:15:16
Speaker
He's just got a demeanor about him and he's an old guy, right? He's sitting there and he's like, looks at the knife and he, and he looks up at Jared and he goes, well, do you want me to kiss your ass or do you want me to give it? Do you, what exactly do you want me to give it to you or something like that? He's like, you, what you want? You want the truth? He's like, he came down, like we'll come out of his glasses, look down, you know, with his eyes looking up towards me and was like, you know, you really want it? And I was like,
00:15:42
Speaker
Yes. Come on. Bring it, you know. And I was feeling pretty confident with my number five knife and he starts looking at it and I'm just like, oh my God. And then he just stops and looks up at me and goes, if you're going to fucking hand sand, fucking hand sand. And I was like, oh.
00:16:03
Speaker
And I was like, oh, so, okay. And he's showing me all my J hooks and lines going this way and this way. And, ah, it was brutal, but, uh, every time I'm hand sending, yeah, every time I'm hand sending, that's what I hear about it. Yeah. Oh no. All in, all in good, good thing. Great guy, dude. Uh,
00:16:23
Speaker
really, really, really, really helpful. You know, I've talked with him on messenger and stuff, and every time I show him something, he's, you know, gives me the good and the bad, you know, so. Yeah, and that's what you need, someone who's not. Because, and this is what I feel like, if you ever watch like the original episode, the first season of like American Idol, all these people down here, like, your family just must kiss your ass and tell you you're good, and you get on here and you suck.
00:16:48
Speaker
Like, don't
Creative Journey in Tool and Knife-Making
00:16:50
Speaker
surround your people with people that are just going to kiss your ass every time because that's not good for an artist or someone who's creating, right? You need feedback.
00:17:00
Speaker
Yeah, and unfortunately, I have a bunch of people that tell me the truth. Are you talking about me? Yes. I only want to make you better, bro. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, well, you want to talk about failure.
00:17:20
Speaker
So part of the part of this podcast is I called it the triple T podcast because I do want to kind of marry it with the Thursday videos. So we have a discussion point of like, Hey, what happened in the Thursday triple T videos? We'll touch on that. So for the last three episodes, I've been doing a little, a little blurb on a little series on stainless Damascus.
00:17:46
Speaker
I don't mean stainless sand. I mean actually layering stainless steel and making Damascus. If you've never tried that, it is an angry bitch. It is a really tough process because
00:18:02
Speaker
Stainless, it turns out stainless steels don't really like to get forged. At least the ones I'm using. So after probably 12 hours and 200 bucks in steel, I have a big lump that's going in the trash. The whole thing. Whole thing. Oof. Yeah, so in the last video, I was doing, and so I'll back it up for people who maybe haven't seen the video.
00:18:32
Speaker
I did a video a couple of months ago where I had a total failure, called up Josh Prince, who's a, if you don't know Josh Prince, go look him up, excellent knife maker, has done stainless whole bunch of times, has had success with stainless. He gave me some pointers. So I moved to, you know, feeding Argon into a can via a big, you know, a pipe that I use as my handle, feed Argon through that. So managed to do the initial stack.
00:19:02
Speaker
Forge welded that, cut, restack, that went well. Then there's just so much waste on stainless Damascus that by the end of it, a billet that was two inches by four inches by three inches was less than half of that. I figured I would stack it with a couple other pieces of stainless and do a layer construction with Damascus cladding.
00:19:33
Speaker
Well, I got a little too fast, a little too ahead of myself, decided, because what you need to do is forge this stainless steel, forge weld it slowly, carefully, and then anneal it.
00:19:49
Speaker
And, uh, at least that's my vision. I kneel it for four hours in the oven and don't try to draw it out and then draw it out in the next session. So I got all confident cause I had two successes and tried to draw it out, snap the weld. Uh, if I managed to forge welded back together, but the steel in the very core has just riddled with cracks.
00:20:16
Speaker
Ouch. So you can see all kinds of like cracks all over the edge. Um, I just, I ground out the profile and I did a false, I've only done the false edge and there's, it's full of cracks. Like the very core steel, the Damascus cladding looks awesome, but the core steel is garbage, which is the cutting edge. So that's the, that's the CPM that you added or you did. Yeah.
00:20:43
Speaker
So it's a CPM has got such a narrow forging range. And if it gets exposed to air, it gets too hot. It just crumbles. It's like, uh, I can't even describe it. It's like forging. Like, like what happened that, uh, correction when you were
00:21:06
Speaker
You know, you're in the cold for a snake. Yeah. And your snake just melted. Like that's what it looks like. It's just go all crumbly. So I'll do a little summary video on this Thursday about it telling everybody we're recording this Monday night. So I don't, I'm not sure exactly where we're going to kind of produce this first episode, but maybe never. We'll see. Yeah.
00:21:33
Speaker
But yeah, that was the adventure of my week. So how much time goes into, you said money, you gave me a dollar figure, a couple hundred bucks. How much time goes into this, I'm not gonna say air quote failure, but I don't, I don't believe it to be that, but.
00:21:52
Speaker
I mean, it's a failure as in I don't have an end product. Of course, I learned something, so it's not a total fail, but the thing is there's, let's say, an hour of prep, two hours of forging just to get the forge well. Okay. Then there's the drawing, so that's another hour and a half, whatever, to draw it. Oh, four hours of a meal in between that? A four-hour a meal.
00:22:20
Speaker
between that. It's in the oven for four hours. I'm doing this over many days. If you're counting up the hours, that's just the first draw. Eight hours into the first draw. Then a cut and restack. There's an hour prep, the restack, then forging out the restack, forging, forge welding the restack and then forging that out. There's another four hours, five hours. Then prep,
00:22:50
Speaker
Forge weld, but that's when it failed. So it's probably 12 to 14 hours just to get to the point that I'm at. But that's like the second restack. So, you know,
00:23:05
Speaker
If I started with more layers, I probably wouldn't have maybe not had to do that second restack. That's why a lot of people just do because Ira housework just did one where he did a knife made out of stainless Damascus, but he never did a restack. He just did one. Forge welded it and then Forge didn't do a knife. So maybe I should start with that next time. It's not like you're ambitious or anything.
00:23:36
Speaker
Well, I mean, that's, that's awesome. It's always good to watch, uh, you know, you'll probably hear me bust Dennis's balls a lot because I always try to.
00:23:49
Speaker
You know, there's, there's the awesome stuff that he does and he shares and, you know, but I always try to like bring him down here with this normal oak, you know, try things and mess up all the time. And, you know, I think it was talking to Brent one time, long time ago, bald man. And, you know, I was like, I just, I had sometimes I get so in the beginning, I would be so nervous, like to, to like grind. Right. Cause I was just.
00:24:18
Speaker
It was always like a surprise, you know, when you put, put the knife to the platen, you know, knowing it takes skill, it takes time, right? And I think we're all still learning, but, you know, it was like, it was like a surprise every time I'd pull it off and check it. But, you know, the next time I was like, any moment I could just trash the piece, you know? So all this trepidation behind, you know, it,
00:24:43
Speaker
not messing something up, you know? And I think it's a big, big lesson to just like, yeah, fuck it. That's what he said. He's like, I think we're all just trying not to junk metal here, you know, trying not to turn, you know, this metal into, into the junk pile, which I don't know why that stuck with me or why that popped him in. Yeah. And I think there's a certain amount of like going up to the grinder with confidence. And, and of course that only comes with time, right? You can't have confidence before you know what you're doing. So I guess it's hand in hand, but
00:25:12
Speaker
Um, yeah, I mean, when you're scared of the grinder, it's not going to go well. And I think, yeah, that the, the first time you showed me the, um, the rest grinding on the rest, um, that was after we had done that, I went back and I had, you know, that was the first time. Like I was like, Oh my God.
00:25:33
Speaker
I had some confidence and then you started actually moving metal and getting stuff off and start making things, you know, come the way you kind of picture it, you know, what I've learned.
00:25:45
Speaker
If I've learned anything here this past couple of years, it's been that, that my ambition
Knife Shows and Community Connections
00:25:50
Speaker
far exceeds my skillset. So I've had to really dumb down a lot of knives. Like when I see in my head, like every thing I draw up or I see or try to, you know, create it, I don't think I've ever made one that comes out the way that I had planned. Cause you know, like all these fancy grind lines and these, you know, sweat, you know, it's like,
00:26:12
Speaker
It's not that easy. I think you're too hard on yourself. I think your knives have progressed amazingly in the last two years. I do appreciate that. If I showed you the knife, that chef knife, if I showed you that two years ago, you wouldn't have believed you would have got there. No.
00:26:34
Speaker
I wouldn't have, but it's been, you know, it's been, there's been a lot accounting how many knives I've actually made. Cause I have a real, real problem with finishing knives. Uh, you know, I have under like 30, 30 completed a definitely under 30. I don't, I don't have to actually sit back and count, um, quite a few in various stages, but.
00:26:57
Speaker
Um, finished products is, there's not been that big. I mean, like, again, you're, you don't know what the hell you're doing. You have zero tools. Like it's taken, I mean, all of last year was really like tool acquisition and shop building and, you know, and making tools to make tools. I mean, that's something I, you know, I can't believe I forgot the, the best part about, uh, this whole process is, you know, is.
00:27:25
Speaker
there's too many best to say but you know one of them is meeting people like Dennis. The other one is my buddy Tony Satani from Hourglass Knives. Random guy I worked with knew him and kind of introduced us and again it's all about like taking chances and you know just
00:27:47
Speaker
Guy gave me his number and I just called him. And if anybody knows Tony, he talked to me in Spanish for the first like three minutes that I called him.
00:27:57
Speaker
I've never spoken to this man a day in my life. And he's like, hello. I don't even think he speaks like real Spanish, but he was, he just, that's the kind of dude he is, right? And I, I guess he was just trying to see if I was going to hang in there, you know? Um, but Tony. Yeah, I don't speak Spanish. I'm the worst Mexican in this, from this planet. I'd tell you that.
00:28:20
Speaker
And I can prove that case in point time and time again. But then I had a buddy that one of my best friends that I grew up with in
00:28:29
Speaker
He was in my wedding and the dude was a machinist since we graduated high school and we've gone, you know, life goes on. You go your separate ways and somehow we reconnected and I had told him I want to make a knife and he's like, oh, you try it. He's like a master machinist and like that, that guy has single handedly
00:28:58
Speaker
opened up all of this to be possible. We have built him and I, like I say it, I dream it.
00:29:06
Speaker
And he helps me build it. Like everything that we've done, grinders, like, I mean, the amount of money I've saved and what things that we have made and like the cool ideas that he comes up with and just the process of getting together and like building things. He told me that was making make tools to make tools changed my life. One of the most profound things I've ever heard in my life. And I still to this day, like I was just just this weekend.
00:29:33
Speaker
We're, you know, I got two new brand new things in there that I'm gonna hopefully break the internet with again, like, like the Miami Vice and some things, you know, that, uh, I'm intrigued. And I told me about these. I don't know. I don't know. But you know, that's, it's, it's really, it's really cool. Like.
00:29:54
Speaker
That and that friendship too, you know, because he's my best friend. But what I've learned from him and the amount of time that this dude has put into this numb nuts knife making dream, you know, and he has zero interest in knives. Like we were just together with another buddy of ours, Derek Miles. And he I was like, yeah, and I don't think you really know. I don't like this shit at all.
00:30:23
Speaker
Not even a little bit? Not even a tiny bit? Zero. So if you ever get to the point of doing like CNC production on knives, then maybe you'll you'll spark his attention. But until then, no. Dude, if it's it's not the process, like the making of everything he's into is just like at the end, you just put your knife there. Yeah. I was just like, OK, all right.
00:30:53
Speaker
Well, he's a good friend to have though, cause, uh, I, I've never seen a shop for what I've heard. What has got a lathe that's like what, 20 feet long or something like that. He's got some really, really, the shop is something that, yeah, we can't.
00:31:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's just too much. It's too much for me to try. And to be honest with you, I don't know what half the shit is that's in there. So, you know, a lot of things make noise and cut things and I'm kidding, but a lot of stuff and a couple mills and just cool. They make art.
00:31:32
Speaker
I've asked, so my wife works at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory here in Livermore and I've always bugged her that I want to, they have a massive shop there.
00:31:46
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Like this is where they design some of like nuclear weapons and stuff. And I'm like, I want to get in that machine shop. I want to see that machine shop. And they're like, no effing way. Are we letting a Canadian foreign national? You can't even say laboratory. Get out of here. Laboratory, whatever. What's this all about?
00:32:13
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When I tell you what, you know, another thing about knife making is I have never in my very limited life, I guess, uh, met so many damn Canadians. Uh, my first year at blade show, I was standing in the circle and, uh, I look around and I'm, I got, uh,
00:32:34
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You're a cutter Nick, Nick Tobin, Nate, uh, frigging, uh, Lawrence and Dennis. And I mean, they're, they're saying all these words, hosers and, uh, and I'm like, what the hell is going on here? Like, where the hell am I? I'm outnumbered by Canadians. I'm pretty sure Brian just don't even the odds. That's right. Yeah. I had to tell him cause I was like, how many Canadians in Hayward, California? I'll tell you that. Uh, I'm sure there's a few. I didn't know.
00:33:05
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There's another man who's an inspiration, I think, to us all, Mr. Brian House. So he's been helping me with this hand sanding machine and giving me some advice. So getting closer to the second prototype, kind of made the first prototype with scraps. And now,
00:33:29
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He did it in the Jared way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Something I can I can actually get machine so.
00:33:39
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I'm hearing Brian in my head like, oh, you need to learn Fusion 360. I broke down in the last couple of weeks and bought Fusion 360, paid for it because I had the free version. That's what I have that I don't use. Then did this great video series. I don't have YouTube up in front of me, but I wish I could shut out the guy's name.
00:34:04
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This guy that did like learn Fusion 360 in 30 days. And I think I'm on video number 16 of 22. Really great series if you guys are thinking about learning Fusion 360. I'll put it in the show notes. Really great series.
00:34:22
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kind of opened my eyes to everything I was doing wrong when I first tried it. Like I feel like looking at my old designs and like fucking idiot, you didn't know what you're doing. I'm probably still in a month, I'm probably gonna say the same thing about my current designs, but it's come a long way. So I got the whole thing, the whole sanding me to the hand sander, Define Infusion 360. So I'm ready to do another manual milling
00:34:52
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do it by hand and then if all goes well, I'm almost ready to start machining parts. Really? Just got to do the enclosure. That's the mystery part yet. I haven't got to those in the videos yet. Okay. Yeah, I'm glad you actually shared that. I know you and I had talked about you, you know,
00:35:13
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You're dreaming. I mean, I got a, I got a top secret thing going on Jared. I'm like, what are you talking about? Well, you know, I'm like, Oh, you better tell me, you know, I'm gonna make a hand sanding machine. I'm like, Oh my God, I thought you were gonna cure something. But so I got the beginning of the year when you did. Yeah, when you did. There you go. When you did share it. So I was, I was glad you kind of put it out there because the concept is cool. I think
00:35:45
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right now currently as I'm hand sanding that knife you're talking about. Yeah, I'm, I'm interested. As soon as I get this official prototype, this official prototype done, I'm going to send you home with the first prototype. There you go. So you can, you can use that one and put it through the ringer, like concept wise and let me know what you think of it. Yeah. But yeah, I got to keep building on the,
00:36:14
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And just like Brian, I'm really echoing Brian in my head now because everything he went through when he was doing Gen 1, Gen 2, the revolution. I know it's not that complex of a project, but I kind of feel like that kind of
00:36:32
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excitement on building machine, designing something. It's really fun. I didn't expect the tool making to be the machine creation to be that interesting, but it really is. I'm really into it. I love how many times Echo has been said. That's pretty cool. Echo blades, folks. Echo blades.
00:36:58
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Um, the, it's really easy for, for Brian to kind of get inside your, your wheelhouse. Cause the dude's super relatable. Um, everybody in the way he shares his work and you know, everybody sees how he hustles and, and going through the data.
00:37:17
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the revision after revision and, you know, by the time we see it, you know, God knows how many times he's thought about, you know, doing it. But that right there for when, because Jeff and I, when we built our first grinder, it was really kind of based off of the revolution. And I think I'm on version three.
00:37:43
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of the original one. So the first two new bodies. This one started off this gigantic hunk of all steel. And now the current V3 is all aluminum. There's nothing steel on there except the platen. A couple of things, but the pneumatic tensioning arm, all that. The whole thing is aluminum now. But I only bring that up to say,
00:38:14
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Revisions are awesome, like the process of trying and failing and like, the funniest thing he tells me sometimes is like, so tell me everything it needs to do. That's easy, everything, right?
00:38:30
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And then rebuild it. And then I'm like, yeah, I don't need it to do that. That's stupid. You know, but I mean, it's like, I don't know. Hey, I don't know what I'm doing. And to like, you got to use it to go through it. And you know, like you're doing with this, with the sanding machine now, you know, it's the development is it's, it's really fun. It is really fun.
00:38:55
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Yeah, it's frustrating. It's slower. I feel for Brian because like the prototyping of this and the engineering and the revisions takes way longer than you think. Like, oh, I'm going to replace this one part with a different design.
00:39:14
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okay i gotta cut that i gotta find i gotta mill the parts and i gotta drill the holes and i gotta measure it up and i gotta do the design and it's like i take days just just switching apart on the machine um so i feel for the whole prototyping phase it's way longer than what you know what you people think maybe you don't maybe you're used to it but you know there's people that
00:39:38
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Good. I was going to say when Brian's talking about the doors, the new doors on the hammer forge and how he was like, he wanted the door to flip down and he was looking for feedback from the community. And I know he went through two or three options on those doors. Yeah. Um, what I was going to say is gone to the abyss. So it'll come back. They will. This happens a lot. So yeah.
00:40:08
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But that's what's going on in my world. Yeah, I got a call from Frank Machado from Two Bastards and Hammers and Smithy. I forget the actual name, but today he asked me if I was going to Blade, Texas. So don't worry. I don't have like the major FOMO that I'm going to be going.
00:40:33
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But it sounds like a lot of folks are getting geared up for Blade, Texas in another, not even like three major. Fort Worth or Dallas? Fort Worth. That's the only one I haven't been to. Yeah, that was fun. I mean, I really like Fort Worth is like the town, like city of Fort Worth. So there's a really cool downtown there.
00:40:54
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So I actually like that the most the show's fun but I thought it was fun kinda hanging around Fort Worth. And the shows the shows good show it's certainly bigger than the one in Utah. I think the Utah want to grow but. It was a lot better than well I don't I don't know if it was better than.
00:41:14
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Long Beach to me personally, because the Long Beach one was my first one. I mean, that's where I walked into that thing and I was like, oh my God, there's sniff. This is so amazing. And you're like, just wait till Atlanta. I'm like, there's, there's nothing going to be better than this. And then we get to Atlanta. Had I already been to Atlanta? You had. Okay. You showed you had a table there. I had a table in Long Beach at Blade West. Yeah.
00:41:44
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You had just come back from Atlanta because you were, you were all about it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's what it was. Um, yeah. And I was like, man, this is yeah. For those that didn't know, they held a blade blade West at, um, during COVID they held blade West in California.
00:42:04
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part of COVID. There was a mass growth. Yeah, it was like you had to show vaccine to get in and the tables were probably 15 feet apart. It was so few, like they could have held it in an exhibit hall that was half the size that the one they use. Yeah. Yeah. So it just looked really weird, but it didn't do parallel. It's crazy. But the other
00:42:34
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The, uh, Utah was better put together. I felt like that experience was pretty cool, but I mean, everything just does shows pale compared to, you know, a big guy size-wise and stimulation, I should say. Yeah. Certainly this year, like we talked about, I'm a kind of limit expenses and hit
00:42:57
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Blade June for sure because I have a table and then keeping Maker Camp on the agenda for sure. I think that's a must this year. I think that's one event that's going to just blow up. I think it's going to be twice the size this year, three times the size next year. I think that event's going to be huge. I think so. There's no reason it shouldn't be. It's one of the best times I've ever had
00:43:27
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Ironically, though, I think it was due to the intimacy of, you know, how not overwhelming it was for, you know, you know, I'm one of those guys that's an egotistical maniac with an inferiority complex that loves and hates people all in the same breath. So like Atlanta is awesome, but Makers Camp is just
00:43:49
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Yes, it's really cool. It's not often you can hang out, you know, have lunch with Jeff Fader and Morocco at the same table and, you know, chit chat with them and then go do some flint napping and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Fanboying and flint napping. That's awesome. What a time. The name of the episode, fanboying and flint napping.
00:44:20
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Cause definitely that's, that's what I did most of the time. Besides trying to stay dry last year, but those are the things that I'm going to do this year. Um, yeah. I think I've been, I don't think I say that the other cool thing is, is moving on to greener pastures. But, uh, so I'm, I think I'm just going to miss when is, uh, Texas. Yeah. When is it in three weeks or something?
00:44:50
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It's the beginning of March, huh? It's, it's in February of this year. Ah, fuck. Yeah. So I'll be in Dallas for work. Um, the end of March. Oh yeah. You miss my whole month. Cause I think it's like the, I want to say the tw I could be wrong. The 28th of February, right around there. Um, when blade Texas is something like that. It's like one of the last weekend. Look it up. I don't look at it cause a fat not March.
00:45:19
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So, yeah, not this year, maybe next year. And that was the one I usually would take my son Parker to, but he's coming to Blade Show this year. So, I might be sending him home with you unless you're going up to Koi's place after the show or doing something with Brian and the boys. We'll see. I just put it, I'm looking for Blade Show.
00:45:47
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Texas and I still put it in blade show West because I'm like October. Yeah. I don't end up doing something else. I'll take Parker and we'll go party. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:08
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All right. Well, I think that's an episode. I think we're going to put this one in the can and, uh, move on to record, uh, next week and, uh, hopefully make this a weekly thing. We'll see how it goes. Maybe we'll get better at this. Maybe we'll get worse. Who knows? Maybe next time we're not riddled with absolute fear, we won't be able to talk this time. Right.
00:46:38
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All right. Cool. Well, thank you for joining me and we will say ta da to everybody and hopefully people will hang out and check out the next episode. Nice buddy. Thanks for having us. All right.
00:47:00
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I'm not going to be able to stay quiet through this. The rest of you don't get to watch Jared dance. Oh, I'm digging. And that's a wrap, folks.