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E7: Get ducked
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Jerid wants to know if Denis has ever been ducked. We talk about our weeks and all the regular crap in our lives. We talk a lot about getting started in knife grinding which was last week's Triple-T topic. Come listen in!
We'd love to hear from you so send in questions to the show Instagram: @the.tttpodcast
Your hosts:
Denis Tyrell of Tyrell Knifeworks:
IG: @tyrellknifeworks
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TyrellKnifeworks
Website: https://www.tyrellknifeworks.com
Jerid Sandoval of Echo Blades:
IG: @echo_blades
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https://empirestripsback.com/
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Maker Spotlight:
@nathans_knives
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- Work For It
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Transcript
Introduction and Listener Thanks
00:00:16
Speaker
What's up everybody. This is Jared from Echo blades. Thank you for joining us for another triple T podcast for knife makers. We appreciate you spending your time with us in the shop, in the car, or wherever this beautiful sound may find you.
Travel Tales and Entertainment
00:00:32
Speaker
As always, I have my buddy, Dennis Terrell from Terrell knife works. Dennis, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. Just, uh,
00:00:41
Speaker
had a weekend away. So I'm feeling a little tired, but yeah, I know it's just two weeks in a row. I got to like stay home for the next few weeks. Don't you have some stuff to do? I know I got a lot of shit to do. That's the problem.
00:00:55
Speaker
But actually it was feeling pretty good last week. I caught it caught up on I think on the Viking build. I'll talk about that in a bit. But but first I got to tell you what I did. So went actually a surprise visit for one of my stepdaughters. So we went to visit her and her husband in Colorado.
00:01:15
Speaker
in Colorado Springs, Denver, blah, blah, whatever. And we went to see the show, The Empire Strips Back, which is like a strips. Yeah. Oh, it's it's a Star Wars burlesque show. And although that sounds really geeky and weird, it is funny as hell. It was it was such a good time. I cannot recommend it enough. It was really funny.
00:01:44
Speaker
But, uh, is it like a Java strip show or something? Yeah. Of course they do that scene. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty good. You gotta go check it out. There's a Java scene, but luckily no Ewoks. Okay. All right. Well, that's interesting. How'd you find yourself there?
00:02:07
Speaker
Well, we had, we had got these tickets for, uh, my daughter and her husband, um, as a present. And then Kim said, Hey, why don't we just surprise them and, uh, you know, just show up on their doorstep and say, Hey, we're coming with you. So that's kind of how we yeah. Surprise. Yeah. Awesome. It was really fun. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. What'd you do?
Event Experiences and City Travel
00:02:38
Speaker
Oh man, I had a, uh, a pretty busy week. I think I was, uh, talking about it, but I knew it was going to be, uh, eventful. So I had, uh, some, uh, subcontractors come in from out of town, um, on Wednesday and, um, we had, you know, some boring ass meetings and then, um, we ended up, uh, in the city and at a warrior's game.
00:03:08
Speaker
Oh, nice. Yeah, we had, it was pretty funny because the new Chase Stadium is fantastic, right? And I'm pretty lucky that the sports events that I get to go to, I tend to get, you know, score some really good seats, right?
00:03:27
Speaker
So as opposed to like, you know, going to games as a kid and coming up, you know, with the normal folk, I find myself with all these, you know, afalutin fancy schmancy. Yeah. But we were. I wasn't going to say the prices are fucking ridiculous. So like how much were your tickets these days? I never go. It's like 200 bucks for the top top nosebleed.
00:03:57
Speaker
And it drastically increases as you get down closer to the court. So they were looking at like some court side seats, you know, cause they're from like Midwest and they're like, Oh, you know, it was like upwards of like a thousand dollars a seat to get, not even court side, anywhere near court side, but still like some decent seats. So we ended up in this, um, I think called the Medello Cantina and
00:04:22
Speaker
I have, I mean, it is the farthest from the court that you can beat. You need oxygen damn near. You're basically watching it on television is what you're telling me. I mean, there's really not a horrible seat in the house, but it was pretty cool because, you know, for, for bigger guys like me, when you get in the seats, you kind of get trapped and it's a little snug, but, um, this is like an open seating. There is kind of like a signed bar seatings over a, um,
00:04:51
Speaker
It's like a balcony type thing where you can see, but they give free drinks and free food and you can kind of roam around. So it was really good for the setting, like the environment that we were trying to do, you know, talk a little business, watch Steph Curry shit on everybody. It was good. They actually, they actually played very well. So they, did they win? Oh yeah. Nice. They, they stomped them pretty good. Nice. And, uh, but the night before they got their asses whooped and blown out. So.
00:05:21
Speaker
Uh, but it was cool. It was a really cool, uh, time. Um, The stadium's awesome. It's a, you know, other than the city, like I've grown less and less fond of the city as I've gotten older. Um, and part of it is like trying to get in and out. So the game is over at, you know, 10 ish or something like that. And I'm a smooth two hours plus from home, you know, so it was a late night. I didn't get in until like one o'clock.
00:05:51
Speaker
had to get up early, do it all over again, go to
Work Talk vs. Passion Talk
00:05:54
Speaker
work. And then we had a convention in Sacramento, which is like same distance, opposite, you know, way in the Valley. And did that whole thing, and then ended up at Topgolf. And again, another late night.
00:06:11
Speaker
So we didn't, I'm two hours from the house. We didn't get done until like 10 30. I'm driving home and I'm like four hours or four miles from this exit to where I can, you know, be lying off into the, into the sunset. And I'm like, you know, probably 20, 25 minutes from house. And there's a five car pile up and we get stuck on the fucking freeway for 45 minutes till like 12 30, dude. It was brutal. It was brutal.
00:06:39
Speaker
Oh, but yeah, I was fast asleep by then. Yeah, it was, it was pretty lame. But, um, so I think I slept like six hours total and, um, from Wednesday to Friday morning. But yeah, you know, one thing I did realize is that, um, you know, we all have, or I should say we all, but you know, a lot of us have day jobs and, um,
00:07:03
Speaker
you know, do things that we have to do to, you know, support our families and make money. Um, but, uh, it really, 100% solidified that I do not like talking shop unless it's about knife making. I find anything like talking work. Yeah. Like, yeah. Talking shop, you know, like, you know, everybody, for fire sprinklers, it's, it's just the same, um,
00:07:27
Speaker
just regurgitated conversations over and over and over. And some people, this is their, you know, that's, that's their passion, you know, and to each their own. Um, but I'm just like, okay, all right, let's move on. You
Curiosity in the Community
00:07:42
Speaker
know, I make knives, right?
00:07:44
Speaker
I got to admit, I'm the same way people start talking about software and coding. And I'm like, really? We have nothing better to do. Even when I'm with like my team at a, like a team lunch or something like that. I'm like, I don't even want to talk about work when we're at a team lunch. Like I'd rather. I'm with you, but you know, on the other hand here, we could talk about fucking anything in the shop and I'm.
00:08:10
Speaker
probably the guy that they're like, shut up, you know, trying to explain how Damascus or pattern welded steel is made, you know, to somebody that doesn't know, you know, that's, it's still like you watch the confusion and the blankness in their eyes go for a minute. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah.
Sponsorship Fiasco
00:08:27
Speaker
Cool. Cool. So did you get any time in the shop last week? Hold on. I got one more. So it's a convention, like a trade show. And, um, there's,
00:08:39
Speaker
It's a smaller event, but you know, it'll take you an hour or so to walk the floor and go see all the really cool latest, you know, products for fire sprinklers and stuff. And lo and behold, I see this Milwaukee tent, right? And Milwaukee has not been prevalent in our industry ever. Like the pipe threading machines are big because we, you know, fire sprinklers, we thread pipe. But Milwaukee came out with a pipe threader that's
00:09:08
Speaker
You know, they're trying to compete with rigid. So I walk over to this guy and I was there. Thing was right by the bathroom. So I walked by, I go to the bathroom and I come back out and all of a sudden I just, something just whispers. Dude, go shoot your shot. I'm like, okay, what does that mean? Go shoot your shot. I find myself walking up to them like, so, Hey guys, what, what are the chances that Milwaukee would like to sponsor a young, new local knife maker? And, um,
00:09:39
Speaker
Yeah, they told me to go fuck myself. And they're like, you know, with a Milwaukee as their home line of knives and Bob, I was like, Yeah, yeah, I've used your fucking box cutter. But I'm talking about like, you know, this I show them some stuff. And they were like, Yeah, no, it's probably not gonna happen, dude. But so I was like, All right, whatever. Well, I gave him a sticker and they ended up giving me a a
00:10:00
Speaker
a pipe wrench. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna fucking make this pipe wrench into a knife. And I'm gonna post it all on the internet. And you're gonna regret this moment, Milwaukee. You just watch. They get some advertising out of it. So they should be happy. Yeah, I don't know. It was cool, though. But I just was telling people, man, I just got shot down by Milwaukee. That's awesome. I'd be no big surprise. But
00:10:24
Speaker
Well, when, when you said pipe threader, I thought you were going to tell them you wanted them to make a twisting machine or something like that. Cause that's what he uses those things for. Yeah. I mean, I think that's why they were made. No. So what day was that? When was that? That was Thursday. Thursday. Hmm. Yeah. So nice. That was it. Got a little bit of stuff in the shop. Uh,
00:10:53
Speaker
I think I actually got sick again for like the nine billionth time this year, which is pretty fucking irritating, but I slept all day Saturday and then tried to
00:11:06
Speaker
Drag my butt into the shop on Sunday and I got some, some stuff done, uh, finished grinding or. Yeah. I finished grinding, um, a knife I'm working on, uh, test it out. The, uh, the sex machine, sander prototype, uh, put that thing to work and here's fader now. Yeah.
00:11:33
Speaker
It's it's good. It's good stuff. Good stuff. But the thing kicked ass, man. It really did. Good. Still a lot. Still a lot to to do. I ended up profiling a go my hunter for an order from a bill that I made a while back and got to send that, you know, trying to send people that, you know, orders and stuff, trying to send a progress pick, send them the billet and then
00:12:02
Speaker
show it profiled and kind of, yeah, it's always a good idea along like that. Yeah. Try to get them engaged in, in the build as much as I can. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Let's see. What did I
Tool Safety and Scary Moments
00:12:15
Speaker
do last week? I finished off that, uh,
00:12:18
Speaker
that little forge finish, just little utility knife, whatever it is. And when I was, oh yeah. So I decided I had this little block of Koa. It was basically the stand for that big piece of Koa that I won. It was like what they were propping it up with. I'm like, oh, I'll just use it. Cause it was small and fit on this knife. So I figure I'm going to cut it on the table saw.
00:12:48
Speaker
because it's really only big enough to get like, I can't even get four scales out of it, like two thin scales. You know, and the other part is probably whatever. I'll probably throw away or be a bolster or something like that, whatever. So I'm taking slices on the table saw and I get the first one goes no, and I just replaced the blade. So it's singing through this wood, just, you know, like, like it's not even there.
00:13:17
Speaker
And then the second slice, I don't, I literally did not even see what happened. And table saws scare the shit out of me, first of all. Yeah, me too. And I'm using, yeah, I'm using the push stick and I'm being safe,
Viking Sword Challenges
00:13:35
Speaker
got my fingers away from it. And I feel a piece of wood, like I guess I'm just standing off to the side a little bit. And I feel a piece of wood kind of just,
00:13:47
Speaker
graze the side of my beard and I still cannot find where this piece of wood went. This thing came two inches from stabbing me in the face and I have no, I scoured the shop. I cannot find it.
00:14:07
Speaker
Like it went flying, uh, right past my head. I have no idea where it's probably lodged in the ceiling somewhere inside the shop. Like I really don't scared the shit out of me, but luckily piece that I didn't need. So goodness, but it made me think, man, I really should get a wood band saw instead of a table saw. Well, yeah. Cause I, I actually, uh,
00:14:35
Speaker
I have a wood band saw and I had replaced the blade, but since I'm a dumb dumb, I didn't really set the, uh, the guides upright. And, um, I ended up getting a little wider blade, um, and replaced that, I think last weekend. So I got a piece of Koa block and it was uneventful. It just split perfectly. It was very nice.
00:15:04
Speaker
I'm going to let all of the, the wood flying at your face jokes go to though. So we'll leave that up to all of them. Yeah, no, but for real, those things are fucking scary. I don't, I don't like angle grinders and, and angle grinders buffers. Yeah. I know they're dangerous and I give them the amount of respect, but that table saw like, man, something about that thing just scares me. Yeah.
00:15:34
Speaker
No bueno. No. But finish that knife. I'll probably just bring it to blade. I probably won't even post it until then, but I did make some excellent progress on the Viking sword. It is actually in sword shape right now. I saw that. I told you I was worried I wasn't going to have enough steel. The thing is like over three-eighths thick, it's probably
00:16:03
Speaker
Jeez, whatever's bigger than 3A. It's not a half inch, but almost through the whole length of the sword and it's the blade is just like maybe a quarter inch shy of like 30 inches and it's got a big tang on it and it looks really good. So yeah, the Damascus, I mean, I'm just starting to see the pattern on the surface. Like I haven't etched it or anything like that. I haven't even cleaned scale off it yet.
00:16:33
Speaker
But, um, Oh yeah. So it's still the same condition. Yay. I haven't done anything. Oh, that was Friday. Yeah. So yeah, but all the welds look great. Um, no issue with any of the welds. So, uh, yeah, I'm excited to, to get going on that one. I mean, you didn't end up, uh, putting an edge bar on it. I did not because it's kind of a cool, um,
00:16:55
Speaker
So the reason I didn't want to do an edge bar is A, it's complicated and it's an easy thing to screw up. So that was the main reason. But the other reason was I didn't want to like, how do I say it? The mosaic, if I would have done an edge bar, I would have been compressing the blade.
00:17:17
Speaker
because I would have had to weld the top and bottom edge bars, right? So that would have squished the pattern, distorted the pattern down, and then when I drew out the sword, it's going to stretch it in the other direction even more.
00:17:33
Speaker
So I didn't want that because I already had the tiles twice as high as they were wide because I knew I was going to stretch it out. So that was going to give me the perfect proportions. So if I did an edge bar, then it was going to mess up all those proportions and I didn't account for that. And yeah, and it was just too complex. So I didn't do it, but it's a, it'll be a complex enough pattern without the, uh, the edge bar. So cool.
00:18:03
Speaker
Yeah, cool. Now I got to deal with the double fullers and the whole complexity of that build. But I think I'm going to surface grind the whole thing and that I actually think I'm going to profile it, surface grind it, and then heat treat it before I do any grinding on it. Oh, really? Yeah, I might just, just because I'm worried about those fullers,
00:18:30
Speaker
Um, cause if those are off by even a little bit, it's going to warp like crazy. So yeah. And not just warp, it may twist and I really don't want it to twist. It'll be hard to fix. So I may just suck it up and do all the grinding after the heat treat, but I don't know. I'll see. Do you know, do the ball and mill fuller deal? No, cause it's a really wide fuller.
00:18:59
Speaker
Okay. It's probably going to be, I haven't decided if it's a six inch wheel or a 10 inch wheel. Oh, Lord. Yeah. I mean, the sword is two inches wide at the ricasso. So the fuller is going to be like an inch and a quarter. This is my favorite part of like being, I guess if I got a
00:19:23
Speaker
a cool inside track is, is watching this kind of stuff go down. You know, not everybody, I mean, everybody gets to see the videos and stuff like that, but you know, over the next, uh, a few weeks, I'll watch you motherfuck this sore a few times. It's going to be awesome. This is literally what keeps me up at night. Like I'm lying in bed, like, man, should I use the six inch wheel or the 10 inch wheel? Like these are the dumb things that, that keep me up at night. Yeah.
Project Time Pressure
00:19:52
Speaker
But yeah, I'm happy. I'm, I'm happy to have it in sword shape. Now I can do grinding and, and then get onto the fittings, which are not that complicated. I'll do some engraving on them, but they're not like, I thought you were planning like some, some craziness on it. Well, I mean a little bit, but they're not like Katana fittings, right? That take forever. I gotcha. Right. There's not a million pieces. There's a, there's a guard and a pommel. Right. That's it.
00:20:22
Speaker
So cool. But how much time do you have? Um, what are we at 11th? I got a month, months in a week, something like that. All of a sudden that doesn't sound like a lot of time. I got them smiling guys. Yeah. So we'll see how much fancy stuff I do. Um, you know,
00:20:52
Speaker
I got to get this thing. He treated in ground and hand sanded. That's going to take a day. At least to hand say nothing's not going to fit on the fucking next machine. 5,000. No, I already thought of that. It is not going to fit. So yeah.
00:21:15
Speaker
But, uh, we'll see. Well, we'll see how it goes and how, how fancy I get is going to be directly proportional to how much time I have. Gotcha. So I guess you're not, you're not, uh, you're not doing something for the Viking, uh, challenge, right? Oh, no. Nope. Nope. Nope. I mean, unless something crazy happens and I don't see that going, I'm struggling just to get, get enough time to keep moving. So.
00:21:45
Speaker
got to pump the brakes and not stress myself out enough as I already am, you know?
FOMO and Feedback
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah. But I do get a little, uh, FOMO, my check stuff out, you know, on the Facebook group and I'll be like, Oh man, I should.
00:22:03
Speaker
This is a really, I was looking at the Facebook group. I've been kind of at my eggs. I've been so busy, but I was on the Facebook group the other day, like yesterday, whenever. And there's some really, really, I like, and I forget who it is and I don't want to go look it up, but there was one, someone was doing like wire inlay in the pommel and the
00:22:25
Speaker
It looked really good. So I'm curious to see what some of these blades are going to look like on the viewer. And this is for the viewer entries, not even the...
00:22:38
Speaker
The makers, this time the makers, like the, the channel participants, you know, a couple of people have shown what they're making, but most of the guys are being pretty tight lipped on this one. I was just going to ask that. Are they, cause that, uh, I forget the name of Slack channel. Yeah. No, it's discord, discord now. Oh, discord now. Yeah. But yeah, I haven't heard.
00:23:01
Speaker
Mr. Kaggler, owner Kaggler hasn't said a word about what he's doing or he hasn't started yet. Matt Stagmar, I haven't heard a peep from him on what he's doing. He's busy doing swords for Conor McGregor.
00:23:21
Speaker
Um, so I keep going in on you. Yeah. They're just, they're, they're going to whoop your ass. Yeah. Those, those, those two guys, especially Matt, he's done a ton of swords. So I'm expecting big things, but we'll see. Cool. Yeah. Another, I think this it's the 19th. So I got, yeah, I got five weeks or whatever that is six weeks.
00:23:48
Speaker
I'm going to be great to the wire on this one, unlike most of them. Nice. So what else is new? Have you ever been ducked? Ducked? Yeah. In what sense? So you have a Jeep, right? A little Wrangler Jeep, right? Uh-huh.
00:24:18
Speaker
So apparently I have a buddy. So Fandy, I, uh, he's got a Jeep and he'll send the group chat that, um, every now and again, people run around, I guess it's a thing for Jeeps where they put rubber ducks on people's Jeeps. If they think they're cool. I have never heard of this before. Your Jeep is whack. Nobody's ever ducked you. Hey, first of all, my Jeep is awesome.
00:24:48
Speaker
That's why I expect you had like a nice pile of rubber duckies somewhere. I've never heard of this. Getting that. Yeah. Every now and again, he'll send me and I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like, what, what is this? Like who comes up with this shit? But yeah, he's been ducked quite a few times. So I was like, I'm going to find out if Dennis has been ducked. No, you don't do any ducking. No, I mean, I'm not like the mall crawler GP there. It's got, you know, it's got a lift kit. Yeah.
00:25:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's good. Aftermarket, um, bumpers and fenders and yeah, it doesn't look like a stock Jeep, but I've never heard of that. Never ever check it out. I hadn't either. And I don't have a Jeep, so I've not been ducked either. You're not part of the cool club. Nah, just with my Chevy Silverado.
00:25:42
Speaker
But when I was first dating my wife, and we drive somewhere in the Jeep, and she'd be like, did that guy just wave at you? I'm like, yeah, it's a Jeep thing. She's like, what do you mean? That's so cool. She was so excited. We'd be driving by somebody, and she's waving like a mad person. Like, oh, Jesus. Wait till she finds out about the duckings. Right?
00:26:09
Speaker
She's so funny though because she's waving waving like, you know, she's on fire or something. When you're supposed to just do the two finger like on the steering wheel kind of thing. The whole Harley Lo pea sign down there. That's crazy. So you got some something cool happen to you this
00:26:35
Speaker
Oh, so, you know, it's no matter who you are, it's always nice to get some, some kudos once in a while. And especially if it's from someone that like, you know, or admire or whatever. So, you know, it doesn't matter who you are, me, whatever. So, uh, I'm on, this is like late last week or something like that. And, uh,
00:27:01
Speaker
I get a message on Instagram from, out of the blue, from Graz Makes. And if you guys don't know who that is, he's one of the Jimmy DiResta guys, right? He's one of the guys on the TV show making fun.
00:27:25
Speaker
And he's the guy with the beard. It's John Graziano is his name, but his hand goes by Graz. And we've seen him at Maker Camp, but he's like with the Jimmy crowd.
00:27:40
Speaker
Feel like I want to go up to him and interrupt those guys and you know, they always look busy and whatever And he reaches out and says hey, man, I thought I was following you a long time ago I just wanted to say I love the love you work and you're you're my favorite knife maker. I'm like Wow, that's so cool And I said yeah, I mean I totally know who you are I watched the show making fun if you guys haven't seen that show go check it out on Netflix it's
00:28:11
Speaker
basically Jimmy and his buddies, they have this TV show where basically these kids will ask them to make things like, make me a dinosaur that poops hot dogs or whatever it is, right? Like it's something ridiculous. And then they just make it. And it's like, one of them is like, it's like a,
00:28:36
Speaker
six foot dinosaur that I don't know it's eating hot thought whatever whatever it's tacos tacos yeah it is tacos it is tacos I only say that because you'd you'd shared this with me and I was like I don't think I've ever seen that so I was actually hand sanding and I watched a few episodes so yeah really cool yeah it is fun just
00:28:57
Speaker
Um, Jimmy DiResta is just his tone with the kids. Like he's, he always seems like he's annoyed. Yeah. It's awesome. It's funny. It's funny. Anyway, Graz is one of the guys. So I thought it was really cool that, uh, he reached out. So yeah, I had my, my fan boy movement, uh, moment with, uh, Graz reaching out. So I thought that was cool. That's really cool. Yeah. Good for you. Um, um, I'm actually surprised he was able to find you on Instagram since.
00:29:27
Speaker
You've been, uh, I don't know what they had. We had the big reset the other day. I don't know if they'd like rolled back. I'm going to, I'm going to pull some software stuff if they rolled back some code or something like that. And cause now last week, whether like for me, it was, I noticed it on Friday, but it could have been the day before or two days before all these knife makers are getting hit by the Instagram bullshit again.
Social Media Struggles
00:29:58
Speaker
being not recommended so I'm back to recommendation jail and so we're a whole bunch of other makers so we're back to appealing and you know hopefully they're gonna fix this I had a conversation with not a like a chat
00:30:24
Speaker
God, I forget who was sorry. I'm going to totally space on who it was. But someone basically said they actually spoke to someone at Instagram because they had the verified and whatever they got to talk to someone. And they said the Instagram guys are like oblivious. They don't know that knife makers are getting targeted. And they just seem to think, well, it's a glitch. It's a bug.
00:30:53
Speaker
with the algorithm that it's a bug that just needs to get fixed, which is what I think is well. I mean, not to say that, you know, yes.
00:31:03
Speaker
I had one guy like, oh, you really think they're not targeting us? Like, no, they're not maliciously targeting us. Their algorithm is just cranked up way too high. It's like anything that looks like a knife is just getting banned and picked up. Like I see anything that is remotely like a weapon, they're just ratcheted up the algorithm too much. They need to tone it down. That's what I think, but
00:31:31
Speaker
you know, I don't know, they ratcheted back up a guess, but it's annoying. So I'm back to, you know, I think I had six weeks of it, of, you know, posts actually going out to non followers and having a bunch of non followers, but not anymore. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:55
Speaker
I don't know what to say about that. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe my stuff doesn't look threatening and sharp. I don't know. No, I did do some, some changing of, you know, just descriptions and, you know, some, a couple of things that were recommended over, uh, the last time it happened and I've been checking pretty regularly. Um, I mean, as often as I remember, but, uh, I haven't, I'm still good for now. So.
00:32:26
Speaker
Um, uh, just fingers crossed. Cause I was one of the, like, I, I watched the entire community get hit with this thing and I was just like, Oh, it hasn't happened to me yet. And then like people were getting their stuff fixed and all of a sudden, boom, I went in jail and it took me fucking forever to get things right. I peeled at least 20, 30 times. I swear because you'd get through the, however list that you got. And then they pick a new one. So, uh, so far so good over here.
00:32:56
Speaker
I mean, I only have three that it's usually it's five and like, you know, you don't know how many like, cause they only show you five and it could be 25. You don't know, but it's only three. And one of them, one of them is the, uh, the starry cosmos knife set, you know, chef knives, like what's right. And still the whole frustrating thing is that
00:33:22
Speaker
There it's not against their guidelines. Their guidelines say that knives and weapons can't be shown or knives specifically can't be shown to people under the age of 18. Instagram knows the age of the person that's seeing it. So just don't show it to someone who's under 18. So why is it getting blocked at all? Right. But there's no such thing for, you know,
00:33:49
Speaker
scantily clad women, you know, they can be shown to anybody, even the kids. It's true. Yeah. There's no, nothing in the guidelines about that. So frustrating, but what do we do? Well, I think we've heard, uh, quite a few suggestions of, you know, I mean, Instagram is part of our deal, right? Whether it's
00:34:16
Speaker
you know, community or even just our customer based in sales, you know, um, but I've heard a lot of people, you know, kind of reinforcing their commitment to newsletters and, you know, other means of, you know, getting their work seen. So, um, yeah, that's, and that's exactly what we had this discussion as well. Like that's exactly what I'm going to move to is just focus more on, you know, I, I have,
00:34:45
Speaker
I have this list of people that have purchased knives for me. Like I should be taking more advantage of previous customers or Patreon members and like I have all these email lists, but yet I'm not using them. So I got to, you know, get my ass in gear and start to use that stuff. Yeah.
00:35:04
Speaker
I mean, they, they all deserve to see the stuff that you, you have out for sale and people that are interested, right? I mean, if you got a, um, you know, a customer base, it's probably best to, to put your work in front of them. I mean, it makes complete sense, you know? Right. And honestly, like a lot of the people that have bought knives for me are have bought more than one knife for me. So that's just a normal thing, right? Go after the, go after the people that have, you know, sell to the people you've already sold to. Right.
00:35:34
Speaker
Yeah. And it's something that they can share to you. Yeah. So let's, let's talk about this. Um, my next thing on my list is the YouTube comment of the week. Okay.
Beginners' Grinding Techniques
00:35:50
Speaker
Which is, um, another fun one kind of somewhat, you know, I always, I always either pick the ones that are really funny or the ones that are annoying. And this is another one of those, um,
00:36:03
Speaker
I kind of I won't call it gatekeeping but it's like labeling this it's this it's not that it's you know the in the the quote the comment is um I don't know why you know maybe this wasn't an English speaker but he said forged in fire not ground comma no smithing in this
00:36:27
Speaker
And this was on the Copper Katana build. So he's basically commenting that, yeah, it was forged with fire, but it was not ground and there's no smithing in it. Like I didn't physically hit it with a hammer. So someone spending too much time watching forged in fire and glamorizing the striking something with a hammer,
00:36:57
Speaker
But it just got me thinking that, you know, not everybody knows, like, one of the most popular techniques now is these layered constructions, right? Whether it's Gomai, Sanmai, copper, not ferrous, non-ferrous, whatever. And on purpose, like, I don't,
00:37:24
Speaker
I don't hammer in bevels, I don't forge any of these to shape. Even the ones that you can, you can't forge, it's dangerous to forge any of the non-ferrous, like the copper and stuff like that, forging them to shape because it's really dangerous hitting them on the edges because they can delaminate very easily hitting them on the edge. But it's still, it's not a good idea.
00:37:53
Speaker
because if you think about the construction of that blade and of that billet, I should say, on how the layers are constructed.
00:38:03
Speaker
And I have a video about this on how to set up for layered construction. Let's just talk about copper for a second, just because it's an easy one to think about. You want the copper line to be not at the edge, not way up at the spine. You kind of want it to be somewhere in the middle. Maybe it's the bottom third, maybe it's the top third, or maybe it's right in the middle, whatever.
00:38:29
Speaker
If you start to, say, hammer in your bevels, what you're doing is now thinning the blade at the edge, which means you're going to compress those layers together right at the edge. So now you're just bringing that copper line right down to the edge and thinning your core.
00:38:57
Speaker
which is something you don't want to do for these layered constructions. And now, if there's part of the knife edge where you've hammered the bevel a little more than others, well, now you got this goofy drop in the line. All right. Instead of if you just grind it in, you're going to see a nice continuous line in the same place on the blade. So I always tell people don't, even if you can,
00:39:23
Speaker
don't hammer in bevels, don't forge these kinds of things, the layered constructions to shape because it will look better if you don't. Right? Yeah. So I agree. Yeah. So there's, it gets to the point of just because, you know, it's not necessarily the path that you took to get there. I'm looking at the end product. There's always a reason
00:39:50
Speaker
why I do something, right? And most myths, experienced myths, they do things for a reason. You don't just, well, yes, I could have smacked it with a hammer to make people feel better, but I didn't because I want this outcome. So,
00:40:07
Speaker
I thought that was a good example, a comment of someone who doesn't really understand the construction and just thinks it's cool when you hit something with a hammer. But in this case, it's a bad idea. It's not random pattern Damascus. It's not mono steel. I mean, things that are, you know, it doesn't matter. It's not to take away any skill from either, either skill set, you know? Yeah.
00:40:32
Speaker
For something like me, finding the center of the core seems to elude me right now. So, I mean, I'm getting a lot of these sandmiles with, you know, one side is higher and lower than the other. So, I mean, I can say, I get it. Hammering in bevels would only, you know, further complications. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, I think that's just one of those, you know, you learn from experience of not doing it, but, um,
00:41:02
Speaker
But there are people that do and there are people that do it and make them okay. It's okay either way. I think that's what we're trying to say. And back to my other point that I'm going to say down here is, you know, Jared and I have had this discussion many times that I am an opinionated fuck. I will tell you my opinion no matter what.
00:41:26
Speaker
And I think it's generally a bad idea to forge these to shape. Yes, people do it. Yes, they can be successful at it. And yes, they can still make a knife that looks great. But for the masses, the people out there that are new and beginning this, it's not a good practice. 100%. You're going to have less probability of success if you do that.
00:41:54
Speaker
I can agree with that, Mr. Opinionator. What were we talking about? Oh, well, we might as well talk about the triple T because I'm going to bring up a point that you said. So, um, yeah, this, well, last week's now last week's triple T, um, was on grinding basics and I showed folks how I teach grinding. And the last time I did a grinding basics video, I had you in the shop and we went through it and
00:42:24
Speaker
I think I've even refined it. I kind of do a dual technique now of being very stiff and putting the initial bevel in, the initial facet, flat spot, and then moving to the pole with one hand push with the thumb on the rest. And I think
00:42:50
Speaker
taught quite a few people this method. I think it's one of the easiest ways to get people to learn, you know, moving the concept of moving the bevel up or down. I think they kind of get that after, you know, what, what do you think you're, for me, the, when we did that, um, when you explained the rest and the thumb and the concept of moving the bevel up and down and, and,
00:43:21
Speaker
It was. It was huge for me, I was lost in the sauce trying to just put the end in having the what it did for me was give me a sense of confidence when I approached the grinder that I didn't have before that. That time and where we we did that, it has allowed me to. Go, because currently right now I'm on a freehand kick right now, like I
00:43:52
Speaker
I was able to, I wouldn't say like successfully, but I was able to confidently put bevels in on the rest. And then I started not liking the vertical plunge line. I wanted the angled one. And I went and visited my buddy Tony and he did it entirely different ways. So what now is I find myself fucking those up pretty good. And then going back to the rest to kind of
00:44:20
Speaker
get my shit straight again, because now I use a combination of both of them. But the point is, is that, you know, it is a it is a solid method and it is easily
00:44:32
Speaker
Explained I've actually taught a couple people myself I wouldn't try to teach freehand because it's just basically a feel type of thing, you know The other method to that instead of using your thumb would be the push stick Which is a great which is a great method as well But yeah, I agree. It's it is
00:44:56
Speaker
someone starting out, I think it's a very good route to start with. And I think it takes one of the variables out of the equation of the x, y axis. I mean, the y axis of the knife going up and down. You don't have to worry about that. You're concentrating on
00:45:18
Speaker
I apply pressure and I move the knife across the rest. I don't have to worry about it going up and down as the belt goes up and down. I think one of the biggest, the visual thing was when you just put your thumb
00:45:32
Speaker
when the knife is on the rest and you just put your thumb against the belt with little to no pressure and you see the the knife you know fall into the bevel and then you know with very little material being taken until you you know you push you give it pressure uh that was like oh i get it and then you know when you're free handing though you got
00:45:57
Speaker
the shit coming, fighting you, going up and down. You're in and out. There's all kinds of different shit to be worried about there. And once you learn, I think once you learn how to do, you learn the pressure, like, oh, this is how I move the bevel, then you can do, because I mean, I don't do chef knives with the rest.
00:46:18
Speaker
because the same thing, I don't want a plunge line on my shaft knives. And same thing, like I can't do a vertical plug, like I have to do because the heel just goes way up underneath the handle, so I have to do it on like a 45. And I can't do it on the rest.
00:46:39
Speaker
So yeah, there's, there's certain things where rest is going to be limiting, but when you're starting out, when you're learning the basics of grinding, I think it's the easiest way to learn. Um, and it's the way I learned and yeah, you'll progress on words after that. Sure. And always be able to go back. And I mean, there's, there's, there's a grind for every knife, right? You know, some of them need that, you know? Um, and I, I'm grateful for that. I think it was a great,
00:47:08
Speaker
great video this week as well. Um, you know, talking about the, the basics of, you know, belts, you know, I think, uh, I mean, one of the things that still I fight with is, is trying to find a progression of belt, you know, stepping up that actually I can stick with and go to. Cause I'm jumping around trying this, trying that. Uh, but I always remember when I had a, um,
00:47:38
Speaker
a single speed grinder that, you know, going from 36 and then jump into a 120 with that thing, full blast. And I'm like, how in God's name do people grind past like to 200? I thought 220 was like this crazy professional zone because you just one ding and zip and that shit is, you know, almost trashed. Yeah.
00:48:06
Speaker
And I think one of the most, and a couple of guys had commented like, and I agree, I think one of the most important things about grinding is the attitude. Like having that attitude, like the positive, like I'm going to grind this knife. Like, you know, I'm not like one, like the whole positivity guru kind of crap, but like it is one of like, if I'm in a bad mood,
00:48:35
Speaker
I don't, I try not to do grinding on knives because that is like one little thing. Then you're going to get angry. Then you're going to make another mistake and it just breeds negativity and you will, you will not be productive.
00:48:51
Speaker
wholeheartedly agree 1000%. I will chuck a knife, torture test something. If things go wrong, I'm not in the right spot there. I always think too, you know, like working all day and then, you know, if I'm, if I had a shitty day at work or, you know, I'm not, I'm tired or something. It's not something you, you want to do just haphazardly, you know, and a great attitude obviously helps. And,
00:49:16
Speaker
You know, but I mean, when you, when you were able to apply small, um, processes that allow you to see success, you know, that, that becomes, you know, a lot easier to, to get into that zone. So. Yep. Yep.
Heat Treating Insights
00:49:35
Speaker
But, um, yeah, next episode, we're going to talk all about heat treating.
00:49:40
Speaker
Uh, in this week's, I guess this Thursday's video is going to be all about heat treating and we'll go over the basics of, of heat treating. Of course, I'm going to be heat treating in a forge. I'm not going to be using the oven, although I'll talk about it a little bit, but you know, most beginners are not going to have an oven. You know, Jared, here's an exception. It was like the first big tool you bought was an oven.
00:50:08
Speaker
Um, I bought that even heat. I'd been making like three months, I think. Yeah. But there was no way I could, there's no way I was going to be able to, I didn't have a forge. I was fucking using soft bricks with a propane torch and saw on some YouTube thing that I found. Like it just, it wasn't going to be successful. And I knew, knew me well enough to know that that was, that was well needed. So yeah. Yeah. I'll talk about that and the different techniques and.
00:50:38
Speaker
you know, the misnomers about, oh, just heat it to non-magnetic and, you know, you hear all those kinds of things being said here and there. Quenchants, this is a great topic. You read any of the Facebook forums and you'll get all kinds of misinformation about
00:50:58
Speaker
what's good to quench a knife in. Water. Yeah, tears of a virgin. Right. You know, the whole motor oil debate and just say the word motor oil in the Facebook forums and watch everyone come out and jump on you. It's almost as bad as like, just, I actually want to buy like a volcano forge.
00:51:26
Speaker
and just put a little video on Facebook, like bladesmithing for beginners of it not coded, it just light it up. Just so I control everybody with the comments because you know everyone's, which is rightly so, but it's just funny. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not safe. No, but it's funny. Those two things on, you know, say that you're going to use your forge without coding yet, or say you're going to quench with motor oil.
00:51:55
Speaker
Neither, let me be clear, neither of which is a good idea. Yeah. It's funny to hear people. I was going to say too, one of the things you had told me before was like, you know, you had gone from like 36 and maybe 120 and then you just spend your life hand sanding to, you know, not mess up your knife and I don't agree with that anymore. Well,
00:52:24
Speaker
you know, but that when, when you're starting out, if you, you know, sometimes you don't want to risk, like know when to quit was the, uh, the topic in the video. Yes. That's that's it. And I say it jokingly now, but I mean, it is really, really an important thing, you know, for the positive outcome. You try to talk about positivity, you spend all that time and then you just nick the shit out of it. You're like,
00:52:50
Speaker
I have another Bowie knife that I'm working on, and I'm looking at it, and it's hand sanded up to 800. And I'm looking at the plunge line, and it's just off by ever so much. And right at the heel kind of thing, it's not quite thin enough. So I'm like, oh, then I could sand it out.
00:53:20
Speaker
center up the plunge line. And then two hours later, I have now the whole knife. I now have to rehand sand I was like now I'm on both sides with 400 grit. And so I was kicking myself after that I should have just left it alone. But
00:53:39
Speaker
Yeah, I did. I do the same thing. I'm done. I did it. It's good. And then I'll go and Santa be like, Oh my God, this is not okay. Let's go. Yeah, let's go back. So, but I'm gonna, you know, now it was a good one, but we want to, the people have spoken, sir. And we want to see a beginner leather video.
00:54:01
Speaker
for dumb dumbs, like not like, not, it was a, something that, you know, just really basic, not like assuming anybody knows much about it. And, you know, there are some people that, I think we had talked about it and, you know, like a kydex would probably be more of the, the beginner route, but, you know, I've done, I've done a couple with you and, you know, the retention is.
00:54:29
Speaker
I was telling you, I sold the knife that I did. And so my example is gone and now I'm like, Oh fuck, what am I going to do? So I wish I could find the video that I originally watched when I learned how to make sheaths. Honestly, like I, I cannot find whose it was and I've never watched the channel since, but if anybody knows who this is, you know, speak up, but he basically had like an ordered checklist.
00:55:00
Speaker
Like a step by step, right? And in his notebook, he would open his notebook and he had the step and that's what really helped me. Like, oh, you got to do this before you do this. And like he had them all listed out. So when I do this video, I'm going to do the, I'm going to, you're going to see steps, do these steps because
00:55:23
Speaker
Leather is one of those things that you definitely have to do the steps in order because if you don't, you'll forget to dye the belt loop before you glue it. Then you're trying to jam the thing in there or silly things.
00:55:43
Speaker
But do you think I should do a beginner leather sheath for the beginner series as well as Kydex? Yeah, I mean, that's where I'm at right now. So selfishly, yeah.
00:56:00
Speaker
I think, I don't think it's necessarily, um, I think the Kydex is important too. That's a very common step to, you know, for a sheath, but I think the, the beginner stuff is, you know, basically what you need, you know, just like some outlining processes and, you know, it doesn't have to be like all, all crazy, you know.
00:56:23
Speaker
in depth, you know, but okay. Well, you convinced me I'll do, I'll do the Kydex one. And then I will do another one. Uh, a leather one. I think, I think a lot of people get some value out there. We got him Noah. Thank you. That was recommended from Noah, from Antioch. All right. You got me. All right.
00:56:51
Speaker
So what's this, I'm reading the show notes and it says here, should I get an HRC tester or keep using yours?
Tool Considerations
00:56:59
Speaker
Are you actually considering getting an HRC tester? Yeah, I was. Were you? Yeah.
00:57:07
Speaker
I can't go into it too much, but I had another opportunity where I might be able to swing that deal. But I think I'm going to go a different route because yours is really close. Hey, it gives you an excuse to come over. Yeah, and then I can go hang out. I got to have a couple of tools that you don't have. You won't have an excuse to come over. Don't worry. That service grinder is going to keep its friends a long time.
00:57:38
Speaker
You know what I was thinking the other day? We got to do late spring, like after, well, after Blade Show.
00:57:48
Speaker
We need to do, oh, maybe we'll do it with an induction, with the induction forge. We have to do this throwing knife build off. Dude, we were supposed to do that like a long time ago. I know. I know. But now I'm like, we got the induction forges. This is something we can do like mid summer because we can do it in the shop with the air conditioning on. Yeah. And we, we got, I was thinking about this. We got to do this. So. All right.
00:58:17
Speaker
and everyone, I got my induction forge up and running, haven't done any videos because literally I turned it on once, twice. That is the most magical tool I've ever used. It is such a cool thing to be able to heat up a piece of steel to 16, 17, I don't know how hot it was, probably 1800 degrees in
00:58:41
Speaker
17 seconds from cold. Probably less than that actually. Probably like if you concentrate it on one spot in eight seconds, you're at forging temperatures. It is such a cool thing. So I'm excited to put that thing into use. Yep. Yeah, it was cool. I have the
00:59:06
Speaker
Friday was the first time I'd actually seen one actually heat the steel up. And it's just like, it's mesmerizing here. You're like, what the fuck? And all we did was just heat it up and cool it off. Yeah. Do it again. Do it again. Yeah. It was mild. So we just quenched in water and did it again.
00:59:23
Speaker
Yeah. I was like, yes, this is, this is a great idea. Dennis had no, I'll give you full credit for that one. You gave me the notes there, but we're not the first ones here, but we're a little late to the game. I know. Oh, but, um, but now, Oh, my order.
00:59:46
Speaker
That come, come to think of it, my order for all my water jet knives should be here, um, tomorrow actually, which reminds me, uh, besides the Viking challenge, I got to get busy on all the knives. I'm going to bring the blade show. Oh, scary. What do we got? Three months, less than three months, three months. No, it'll be over in three months. Yeah. Three months today. That's crazy.
01:00:16
Speaker
Yeah, I gotta put an order in for some things for my buddy Lawrence over at Maritime. Maritime? That is a great little place when you tell us about it. Yeah, that's where I go. Dennis goes there as well for all of his steel handles.
01:00:34
Speaker
heat treating ovens. Did you know they sell those there too? Grinders, abrasives, everything you need for knife making. He just got a huge shipment of steel and VSM and other abrasive belts. So make sure you go check it out. MaritimeKnifeSupply.ca and tell them, Dennis and I sent you over there.
01:01:02
Speaker
Is it CA.com? I just found out that fucking .CA is Canada. What'd you think it was, .California? California, obviously. It's in my damn echo blades. In my email, I'm such a dumbass. I really had no idea. I was like, it's got to be California. I didn't, you know, I just barely found out about Canada not too long ago. So.
01:01:30
Speaker
I never noticed that, uh, your, uh, echo blades is.ca. Yeah. Well, it's echo blades.ca.com. So that's CA. Whatever. Well, you live here. Anyway, you just want to be Canadian. It's okay. You want to be Canadian, like the cool kids. I get it. I guess. I mean, Justin Bieber's Canadian, so whatever. Hey, Drake. Yeah.
01:01:59
Speaker
What about Rush and like some of the other cool bands? I don't even know who they are. What? We can't be friends anymore. Yeah. Shut up. You don't even like basketball. Get out of here. Hey, Toronto was the first non-American team to have a basketball team. Toronto Raptors. And they won a championship because of injuries.
01:02:22
Speaker
way to go Toronto. They beat the warriors couple years ago. Yeah. Our super team got hurt. So while we're, while we're doing reads, uh, I'm going to, uh, read, um, two bastards, Texas Smithian supplies, which is at two bastards. And when we say two bastards, it's bastards T E E R D S not
01:02:49
Speaker
you know, not illegitimate children hammer makers. This is two bastards with an E, but it's at two bastards hammers on Instagram. So, Nita and Frank have been supplying blacksmiths and bladesmiths, hammers for over six years. If you're looking for your next professional hammer, check out two bastards, fat peens, hand forged dog heads or wide variety of
01:03:16
Speaker
restored top tools and other things here from the US as well as high quality vintage tools imported from UK, Germany and Austria. He also does refurbs on hammers. So go check them out. Definitely my go to hammer in the shop these days is a two bastard straight peen hammer. So the one I use all the time. So go check them out if you need anything hammer related.
01:03:46
Speaker
Nice. I'm excited. I'm excited for mine. It's on the way? Yes. Awesome. Cool. The last thing I got in the notes here is you talking with customers about shit I don't know. I'm intrigued about what this one means.
01:04:11
Speaker
Well, I kind of, so I have found myself, uh, lately with a lot of, I shouldn't say a lot of, but for me, it's a lot of interest in, you know, orders.
Customer Interactions and Industry Norms
01:04:26
Speaker
And, um, you know, honestly, I think that's the only, it's the best policy, but it's really kind of what I, I know. And when I'm saying that, like, I'm not really.
01:04:40
Speaker
a knife guy. I mean, you know, this is all relatively new and I'm, I'm making these things for many different reasons. Um, but as you kind of get into, you know, selling things and to, to people, they're asking questions and, you know, I was, uh, just, I found myself where I had to just kind of tell them like, you know,
01:05:08
Speaker
I'm not a hundred percent sure, you know, I don't really necessarily know the ins and outs of the performance of a chef knife. And, you know, I got some basics and, you know, well, I'm trying not to be a sleazy salesman bastard and just lie to them and, you know, try to, you know, just blow some smoke up their ass and stuff. And I kind of was like, you know, I'm a newer maker and, you know, this is what I know and what I'm trying to do.
01:05:33
Speaker
And I find a good part of me too is with this neurodivergent brain of mine is that, you know, I don't have immediate recall of information when I actually need it. So I find myself kind of like, and it happened to me a couple of times over the weekend. And I just was thinking to myself, you know, like trying to get
01:05:55
Speaker
more information behind a product that we're trying to sell. It sounds kind of stupid and I'm saying it out loud, but I'm curious if anybody else finds themselves in that position or you guys are all utter and absolute professionals in what you're doing.
01:06:11
Speaker
Um, to where you can explain all the ins and outs of the, you know, food release and for every bit of it. So I just had a very humbling moment, uh, over the weekend where I was kinda, you know, thankfully it was somebody that I was, um, I knew, but.
01:06:27
Speaker
It was an interesting experience where I had to like stop and be like, all right, dude, just stop with the bullshit and just kind of say, you know, this is what it is. You know what I mean? Like I make a chef style knife that is very thin and we'll cut the shit out of some stuff. So are you interested? There you go. We'll put any handle you want, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But.
01:06:49
Speaker
It was just a, it was experience that I had that I thought might, uh, somebody might relate to or somebody might have, you know, some suggestions on how to kind of sharpen that stuff up. Cause I'm definitely not into just spinning mother goose fairy tales to people to try to sell something. Right. Cause that's not the a hundred percent the motivation of what I'm doing this for, you know? And there's, there's nothing wrong with saying you don't know, um, for things like people have asked me questions about like,
01:07:19
Speaker
you know, like knives that I've never made, like daggers and like stuff like, I don't know, like, you want to know about daggers? Go talk to Niels van der Berg. You want to know about like, I'm not, yeah. If I don't know something, I'll point you to someone who does. For sure. Um, and then the, the other thing was like, I'm curious guys, tell me what, what, what is a legitimate, I mean, I understand,
01:07:49
Speaker
Books are closed. Books are open. But I think we kind of touched on this last week, but like how, how long is, are the lead times out there for some people? That's kind of what I'm curious at. That's a, that's a great, I'm curious on this too, because I'm starting to, you know, I've always said that like,
01:08:10
Speaker
My books are closed. I only take the orders, but now things are underway. I'll talk about it more in a couple of months, but I will be taking some custom orders starting in the second half of the year. And, you know, but I want to have some in the works, but how long on the list do I make? I don't want to. I can't imagine my opinion. I can't imagine being on a list for over a year. Like that's wacky to me.
01:08:39
Speaker
Like I'm, you, you, you lost my attention span. If it's going to be longer than, you know, three to six months tops, I'm gone. So I'm curious are these people that have like two year waiting lists? Yeah. I mean, even the guys that don't, that, I mean, I'm sitting like right now somebody calls and asks me tomorrow, like, you know, I'm like at, at least
01:09:05
Speaker
three months for me. I mean, just realistically, three months is workable. Like that's not a career, but I mean, I've heard guys that are like, Oh yeah, I'm 18. And, and I think someone else says, I don't know if it was Jeff or someone else said this on the podcast. Like they wear this, like a badge of honor. Like, yeah, like I'm 18 months out. I'm like, really? Are people waiting that long? Maybe they are. But yeah, I don't know. I'm just trying to be realistic with, you know, like,
01:09:33
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But I don't want to lose the potential thing. You know what I'm saying? I don't have anything to base that on. I just know that I have the amount of time that I have in the shop every week.
01:09:46
Speaker
you know, without being completely stressed out and worried about things. And every goal that I've kind of set is kind of, it's exceeded that, you know, a little bit, but I'm just wondering is that is three months, you know, out of line or, you know, um, three months is definitely not out of line. Like I've heard people go way, way longer than that, but I, I was, I was flipping around and think like, if I was the customer and I'm coming to somebody,
01:10:15
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you know, and someone told me nine months or a year, you know, I'm like, uh, I'd probably start looking elsewhere. Like sure I would, I'm not going to wait that long. So I'm curious what, what people like maybe, maybe, you know,
01:10:33
Speaker
for guys like Mareko and you know maybe that is what they wanted but I know he doesn't even do customs anymore. I don't know I heard I was listening to a knife talk today and he had mentioned he's working on a knife but he was saying that it was like a year and a half two years the order was and I was just like what the fuck and that's really kind of what
01:10:54
Speaker
like made me think about the question anyways. I was like, I mean, not apples and oranges there guys. Yeah.
Respecting Honesty in the Craft
01:11:03
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We're not all Morocco. Yeah. I gotta say, I gotta say I'm, you know,
01:11:10
Speaker
I want to talk to him about it at Maker Camp, but I'm kind of really impressed with him. If you guys, if you haven't listened to Artisans of Steel, go listen to Mareko's podcast. I think it was really brave of him to talk about
01:11:28
Speaker
how Bob Kramer fired him. That had to be a touchy subject and he didn't shy away from it and he talked about it and he said it was shitty and he didn't like it and he felt bad and he went through his head for years. I got a lot of respect for him coming on the air and talking about that.
01:11:47
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That was, yeah, because you guys haven't, yeah, if you haven't listened to that episode of Artisan's Steel on Racco's podcast, go listen to it. It was good. Speaking of podcasts, full blast.
01:12:02
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with Pat Quinn and the great questions was fucking awesome. I started listening to it on my way home and I stopped it because I was like, I want to be like sitting down with like a notepad and a paper. And, you know, I mean, and he'd been talking about it for a while, but man, that was a fucking awesome show. And I enjoyed and learned a ton, dude. I can't wait for the next one.
01:12:27
Speaker
Yeah, I listened on the plane on the way back from Denver, uh, this morning. Yeah. So yeah. One of the takes that he had on there, uh, was that I'm a hundred percent guilty of, and it was that, um, new tools don't make you better practice does. Right.
01:12:51
Speaker
Um, I am so fucking guilty of thinking to myself, Oh, I'll just get this and then I'll have this all figured out rather than, you know, all I get the, the, I mean, there's things that do help. Right. But, um, that is it. That one hit me fucking like, cause I'm like, I'll see something like, Oh, okay. Well, if I had that, that would be, you know, perfect. And I'd be, you know, a hundred percent better maker, but you know, it really all comes down to, and I'm that's one of the things that I love about the community and how people.
01:13:21
Speaker
you know, share the education is that, you know, there's no substitute for just fucking getting out there and doing it and doing it a lot and having reps, you know, same with grinding bevels from, and for me right now it's, it's forging and moving hot metal. Like that's, that's what I'm in. That's well, when you get that new hammer, it's going to change everything, right?
01:13:47
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. There you go. Maybe one of the six that I have now, but exactly. I mean, that's, that's really what it was. So, um, that was really good. And that, that one hit home with me. Cause I gotta just, you know, remember, yeah. Just fucking go out there and do it. Dumb dumb. So since we're talking about community, let's do our maker spotlight and then we'll get the hell out of here. So why don't you go first? Cool. So I got pulled up. Uh,
01:14:18
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a maker, Josh Sends, Josh Endes, sorry. I always say Josh Sends, so send it, of Wilder Knives of Alaska. Josh and I kind of started very similar timeframe, and this dude has been hustling
01:14:43
Speaker
and putting out just awesome stuff. Um, his progression from when we both started to what, uh, and how much he's put out is just always motivated and wowed me. So I thought, um, I definitely want to give him a shout out. And if you're not already following him, go check him out and, um, show him some love. Where in Alaska is he? Do you know? I do not know.
01:15:13
Speaker
Well, I'm just wondering if he's in Anchorage and if Spencer knows him. Cause you know, I figure, you know, Alaska is not really that big, right? It's the smallest state in the country, right? Yeah. I just, I just, I didn't know about Josh either. So I just started following him. So he's got some nice stuff. Yeah. You're missing out.
01:15:37
Speaker
Yeah, cool. Cool. My pick this week is Nathan's Knives. So this is Nathan Scott. He's over in the Ozarks of Missouri. He's a vet.
01:15:52
Speaker
And he just does some really nice work. If you scan through his Instagram, he's got pictures of his daughter and he's making Damascus and doing handles and just got some really nice clean work. So yeah, so go check them out. That's Nathan's underscore knives.
01:16:18
Speaker
So we'll put these guys in the show notes, go check them out, give them some love and yeah, go take a look. All right, my friend, any parting words, any wisdom you want to bestow? Go get ducked. Go get yourself a Jeep and get ducked. I'm going to have to look that up.
01:16:42
Speaker
Yeah. Well, that's the name of the episode. Get ducked. All right. Done. Getting ducked. And that's a wrap.