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E3: Fired up for forging!
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Jerid joins from an impromtu work trip to Idaho. In this episode we'll talk about the next Triple-T: Starting out as a bladesmith. We'll also discuss some new tools in the shop and generally having some fun!
We'd love to hear from you so send in questions to the email address below.
Show email: tripletfkmpodcast@gmail.com
Your hosts:
Denis Tyrell of Tyrell Knifeworks: https://www.instagram.com/tyrellknifeworks/
https://www.youtube.com/c/TyrellKnifeworks
https://www.tyrellknifeworks.com
Jerid Sandoval of Echo Blades:
https://www.instagram.com/echo_blades/
Links related to things we discussed:
Viking Challenge Announce Video: https://youtu.be/YwhSvLk-ryQ?si=kyJsfchqxWeIJwO4
Viking Challenge Viewer Instructions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NRcKaNBRCLQFAdiKIChWfcgkvvZ7qrhIgScYBy_NL7U/edit?usp=sharing
Podcasts we love:
- Work For It
- Fire and Steel
- Hustle and Grind
- KnifeTalk
- FullBlast
- ForgeSideChat
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Transcript
Introduction to Triple T Podcast
00:00:17
Speaker
What's up, everybody? This is Jared from Echo blades and you're listening to the triple T podcast for knife makers. As always, I have my co host Dennis Terrell. Hey, how's it going? You're joining us from a car in another state. Yeah, I'm from Idaho. The day job brought you to Idaho. Yeah, a quick trip out here, unplanned, but here I am sitting in
00:00:47
Speaker
It's actually only 46 degrees. So it's not that bad. I don't have anything to complain about. Oh, that's not bad. No. Cool. Well, what else is new? I actually haven't talked to you in a few days. So, uh, what's going on?
Viper Chair and Lathe Adventures
00:01:01
Speaker
Oh, like, uh, I had some time in the shop this weekend. Um, I got my viper chair came in.
00:01:12
Speaker
I'm super stoked about that. Yeah. That's a kick ass chair. That's a comfy ass chair right there. Holy shit. The big boy attachment on there to comfortably fit my big ass on. The side cars. Yeah. It's a rectangle seat on the shop chair. It's awesome. But yeah, I was kind of, we'll say air coat gifted this chair and I'm stoked about it. I did orders. I must have mixed up the specs.
00:01:41
Speaker
because it's a little higher than I need right now, but I called those guys up and they're, I guess the difference between the two styles, elevated and regular are just the actual legs that go around the chair. You could either send the chair back, wait 30 plus days, and then they'll send you this whole package back or you could, I could buy the other legs for a hundred bucks and get that
00:02:11
Speaker
Um, chair modified, bring it down. So I was like, okay, well, that's, that's an easy hundred bucks right there. Sandy crap. How much was this chair? I'm not going to tell you that's all public information. Uh, well, yeah, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, uh, complain cause I got a couple of new tools this week as well. So got the new lathe in this week, got to play with that, be a video on that. Probably not for another month, but, uh,
00:02:42
Speaker
Oh, yeah, well you you were around to help me lift that bad boy onto the stand Yes, not light. No, it was not It was actually not that bad. No was her to Muscular strong folks, I guess Yeah, got myself a precision Matthews lathe with a little help from the
00:03:06
Speaker
The guys at Precision Matthews, they kicked a pretty good discount my way. I figured I'd get the new lathe. A couple of projects I'm going to do on that pretty soon. I've already set it up. I've already broke a tool. Broke a tool. I broke a parting tool on the lathe because I'm a dumb ass. Oh, nice. Tell me more.
00:03:36
Speaker
One of those carbide parting tools, they're not super rigid and I got a little too anxious and snapped it off. The lathe's going fast enough when one of those things snap. You have no idea where it went. It could be anywhere. No, I didn't even hear it.
00:03:58
Speaker
Oh, Lord. All I know is it wasn't in my eye or my arm, so I was happy. And some sheet rock on the wall somewhere. Yeah, exactly. It's probably embedded in the ceiling or something. Well, I guess it would be the floor.
Viking Build and Forging Passion
00:04:13
Speaker
But yeah, lots of progress in the shop this week. Got the new lathe, got it set up. Hey, and I need to know if you want the old lathe. So if you're still chewing on that, or am I going to put it up for sale?
00:04:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think you're going to put it up for sale. We'll just squash it right now. There's no way I can accommodate any more room in this shop right now. Yeah, I got the new lathe, and I finally finished those. And I need a name for that set. But the plug welded chef knife set. Finally finished those. So that'll be a build video coming up this weekend.
00:05:01
Speaker
Very happy with them. They have beautiful Koa handles. They're integral chef knives. So I'm pretty excited about those. So yeah, nice to get some things finished. And on to the next, I got to start my Viking build that like this weekend, I got to get going on this Viking build. It's given me angst that I haven't started it yet. But I mean, how long do you have?
00:05:32
Speaker
Well, I got till April, but I don't want to get into like the back half of March and then realize that I have only a couple of weeks to do a really complicated Damascus project. So yeah, I mean, we're already in the middle of February already. Right. And it's going to be probably four full days of forging to get that pattern, the pattern that I want. So yeah, it's going to be well, I gotta, I gotta get my ass moving.
00:06:01
Speaker
All right. Yeah. Well, hurry up. So I, uh, go ahead. No, go ahead. So I, um, what I did get to do this weekend, which has kind of got me all fired up right now is on, um, sometime last week I went over and I think we were talking about.
00:06:24
Speaker
You know, in the beginner series episode last week, we were talking about, you know, trying to reach out to people and getting relationships with other makers and, you know, collaborating and, you know, just continuing to try to grow and, and do stuff. And we were talking also about, uh, the stock removal and forging. And I was saying how much, you know, forging is just, you know, it challenges me. I'll say that.
00:06:53
Speaker
So anyway, I hit up my buddy, Nick Rollins from Rollins knife. If you guys aren't checking him out, go check him out. Guy does amazing work, kind of Japanese style chef knives. I'm just, I'm all about it. I like what he does. And so yeah, go check him out. But I went over to his shop on Thursday night and previously we had,
00:07:22
Speaker
started to forge a knife. And, um, so I brought it back and was kind of, I'd kind of cleaned it up a little bit. And he was looking at, he's like, well, we could do this and you know, we could kind of work on it a little bit more. And I'm like, good Lord. Like, you know, how many times you want to throw this thing back in the forge, you know? So anyways, we did. And, oh man, I am all fired up for forging right now. Like.
00:07:48
Speaker
it just reinvigorated me to just get back after it. And honestly, I saw progress in my understanding of the way we were, you know, the knife was moving and, you know, like my biggest problem is how the metal moves and how to get it to do what I want it to do, right? So we spent about an hour forging and stuff like that. And I think the knife got even better.
00:08:17
Speaker
looking anyways right now. And I just, I left there and I'm just, I'm fired up to, you know, to conquer this part, you know, of my making jersey because soccer moves. Awesome. I don't have anything bad to say about it. And I love doing it, but, um, um, I want to be a forger.
00:08:42
Speaker
I don't know. Is it a forger? Someone who makes fake money? Isn't that a forger? Make fake knives. That's better. You know, whatever is that? There you go. That sounds cooler. Yeah. But yeah, so I don't know. It was, it was such a good time. I'm looking forward to kind of going back and I think we're gonna kind of finish the process there.
00:09:08
Speaker
Uh, but I enjoy being a student and kind of just listening to instruction and, you know, it was, it was a lot of fun, man. So thank you. All right. Appreciate it. Well, future forging session at your house using your forge then. Yeah. I just, I started watching basic forging things on YouTube, like, and, uh, I came across, uh, Brian just did a video on.
00:09:36
Speaker
Fine-tuning the Apollo Forge and I'm like, yeah, I should probably fire that thing up this winter before it gets too hot. So Let's go next couple weeks. We're gonna do it. All right. Give me a call. Let's do it. All right So what else is going on I know you've been working hard at the day job but Yeah, that currently sucks Yeah, that absolutely
Balancing Life and Knife Making
00:10:01
Speaker
sucks. So I just I
00:10:03
Speaker
I'm sure there's someone out there that's listening to this, and I actually had a conversation with somebody that's, you know, our life gets so busy and, you know, with family, jobs, all that stuff. And we don't, you just don't have the time to do what, you know, you want to do, right? But that's life, right? So there's seasons in life and, you know, currently right now I'm just over inundated with that. But I did get to, I made some time this weekend
00:10:33
Speaker
Put the chair together. I also made this little, um, I can't remember where I saw it, but so instead of like mounting my vice onto my metal welding table, the big four foot by four foot, one inch thick table, I put these like, um, tube steel tucked underneath. I just put a video out. Um, yeah, I just, I didn't, I didn't get a chance to watch the whole thing. What? Yeah. Tell me about it. I put this, so we took like, um,
00:11:02
Speaker
a tube steel and kind of hit it up under the lip of the table and the frame. And then we put a mounted device onto like, basically like a tooling arm for a grinder. So I can slide it in and it could be on the table, mounted to the table. And then when I'm done with it, I could just pop it off and hide it somewhere. So I don't have like a vice permanently down on my table. So I did three of those all on three corners of the table.
00:11:29
Speaker
So I'm planning on putting the knife ice on one. And whatever else, I don't know. It's endless how many things we can kind of attach to the table and unattach. That's a cool idea. Yeah. So we're stoked about that. I don't quite have the concept of what you did in my head, but I'll have to go watch the video. Yeah. I don't know.
00:11:53
Speaker
Pickle cutters was saying, I'm not sure what I just watched, but I don't know. Check it out. All right. Cause I, I need to get, when, um, I found the last time I did a course with, um, with two people, like, you know, teaching is still relatively new for me. I've only done five or six classes and haven't done many with two people.
00:12:21
Speaker
And, uh, doing one with two people, I realized I only have one knife vise. So I got to make a second knife vise and I don't really want to mount it to the table all the time. Cause what am I going to do with two knife vices all the time? So yeah, that's, uh, I want to watch what you did and maybe I'll steal it. Well, I have an idea too. You could, you could use your kind of the same concept, but you can kind of put one, Oh, now you're using the, uh,
00:12:50
Speaker
the post vice during that as well. Well, you're not using it while your hands are ending, right? No, no. I mean, and I usually like to make those things like mount
Projects and Time Management
00:13:00
Speaker
in vices. So like the knife ice mounting in another vice, I could do something like that. I have another vice on that table. So yeah, maybe I'll just do that. Cause I don't know the, the, the kind of the, the tooling arm thing I'm thinking about your shop. I don't see where.
00:13:22
Speaker
It would kind of work, but that's cool. I like it. Yeah. So fired up about forging me too. Actually, you know, after last discussion, I'm like, God, I wouldn't mind forging something again, but now I'm.
00:13:38
Speaker
Like, and then I got to go back and say, no, no, don't get distracted. I got to finish. I finally got all the parts, like the official parts for like the official material, I should say, for the sanding machine, like all the aluminum and all the actual, you know, the aluminum that I'm going to use in the build.
00:14:01
Speaker
And I just machined it all today on my mill, according to the exact specs, like the Fusion 360 designs, before I go and get someone else to like start making parts on mass. I gotta make sure that my designs make sense. So I just put the last screw in, but I haven't had a chance to test it yet. So I'm excited about that. And then I'll be,
00:14:29
Speaker
If that's all good, the last thing to be designed is the enclosure, which I have no idea how to do. I have no idea how to do sheet metal, so I got to learn that whole thing in Fusion 360 and then figure out where I'm going to get all these parts cut and drilled and machined.
00:14:52
Speaker
but it's getting closer. I'm hoping by the spring, it's an actual product that's for sale. So we'll see. Nice. Exciting. Yeah. Yeah. And actually the aluminum, like now that it's all done in aluminum and it's not like janky parts from around my shop, it actually looks really good. I was like, man, that looks pretty festival. That's pretty funny you said that. Cause I was looking at that, the thing that we made for the vice and uh,
00:15:22
Speaker
as I was taking a picture of it to put on the reel, I was just like, oh my God, there's not a straight edge on this plate that we mounted the bites to on the bottom. It's like, ugh. But that happens when you're using scrap material that you have and just trying to make stuff work, so. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:15:44
Speaker
But yeah, I can't get distracted. I'm trying to finish up the sanding machine. I got five knives on the table, which is more than I've ever had. And I still have this looming in the back of my head. The blade is in June. And I got to get some knives done for blade. You had a crushing realization that that is. I mean, with it already being damn near March, right? And it was just Christmas.
00:16:15
Speaker
like a blink, you know, and here we are almost through two months of the year. I guess one and a half, but, um, yeah, it's going to be here before you know it. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, I want to have some knives for the two. I don't think I'm going to have quite as many knives this year, but who knows? And you say that I always say that last year and then you bust seven knives and you know, two weeks before to go.
00:16:42
Speaker
I might take the week off before blade and I'm taking the week off after so I might crank out a bunch of knives in that last five or four or five days. We'll see nice Yeah, but yeah lots of Lots of stuff going on Well, let's talk about
00:17:08
Speaker
The Triple T episode was well received on getting started as a knife maker or getting started with stock removal. This week we'll be getting started at bladesmithing.
Bladesmithing Basics - Upcoming Episode
00:17:25
Speaker
So I haven't even put my notes down yet on what I'm going to talk about, but obviously anvils, hammers,
00:17:36
Speaker
you know, the basics you need to get started, forge, that kind of thing. I think I'm probably gonna spend a little bit of time going over types of hammers and hammer technique as in like how to swing a hammer, not without hurting yourself in the long term.
00:18:03
Speaker
But, uh, w w what else, uh, you're excited about forging. What are the things you want to learn right now? I think for this one anyways, I think you're right on, on track with kind of, I was just thinking as you were saying that like, unfortunately, bladesmiths, everything that you need is going to be in addition to the stuff you're going to have to get for the knife maker part, you know, uh, our stock removal, I should say.
00:18:31
Speaker
because, you know, you need the anvil, you need the hammers, um, you know, for, as far as tool acquisition. Um, but, you know, I, like I said, I think as basic as it sounds, you know, you know, the round part of the hammer does this, the straight, the peen does this, the, you know, just, you know, basic movements of, of the, of the steel. I think it would be cool if you did the, uh, the clay demonstration. The what?
00:19:00
Speaker
You were talking about how you demonstrate stuff with clay? Oh, yeah. That might be a quick easy way without actually beating up the metal for just this one. Yeah, because the hard part of doing a forging video is it's really loud and the forge is on. It's hard to get miked up and actually talk when all that's happening.
00:19:28
Speaker
You know, it's a little easier with the play. Yeah. I mean, but it's, it's not as. So you could also like, so what I was finding out was like, you're, you're discussing what your intent is. Right. But.
00:19:44
Speaker
And then you take the steel out. I want to look at it. Apparently that was something my buddy was saying. Like when you take it off, stop looking at it, put it on the end. I want to look at it, think about it. And I've just let all this heat go away. But you know, and also when you're talking about like a miss it or what you're doing, you're pointing out, you can't always handle the material, but clay, you can. I don't know. It might be. Yeah. No, no, I have clay. Maybe I'll do a little session on clay and like the basics of
00:20:14
Speaker
Moving probably talk about in that in relation to hammers and shapes and things like that. Yeah. I don't know. That's what alludes me. So, I mean, I, you get it, but in the heat of it all, no pun intended, uh, it sends to go right out the, out the window. Yeah. So yeah, I'll probably do something like that. I don't, I don't know. I'll, I'll think about it tomorrow when I actually started thinking about the, uh,
00:20:43
Speaker
the video and what I'm going to do. Um, probably need to talk about anvils and the, you know, yes, you don't need an anvil, but I do want to cover the parts of an anvil because everyone in, everyone does that. Oh, I'm just going to hit in the center of the anvil all the time. Um, so I do want to move around and talk about, you know, the, the edges and the horn and stuff like that. So yeah, probably cover some of that.
00:21:13
Speaker
I wouldn't say I'm an expert at forging. I do it enough. This is probably something to get into. We've had this discussion, but I'm not a purist when it comes to
00:21:32
Speaker
You know, oh, it must be forged. You must forge everything to shape. My opinion is that, you know, I'll forge because I think it's fun. Or if I need to, because the blade needs it. Like I'm doing a Damascus pattern like feather or something. Something that I need the pattern to morph to the knife and I can't cut it out. Right. I don't want to cut it out of the
00:22:02
Speaker
out of the billet. But there's times when forging's bad, like the layered constructions, you don't want to forge those.
00:22:11
Speaker
because like if people like, oh, but I want to forge in my bevels. But if you do that on the layered constructions, you're just thinning the layers so that instead of a nice like where, like picakumi, for example, instead of the copper being a third up the blade, you start hammering the front of the blade because you want to hammer in your bevels. You want to forge in your bevels where you're just thinning those layers. And now that copper is closer to the edge.
00:22:40
Speaker
at the front of the knife or wherever you did your bevels, and you're just making that core thinner. So there are times to forge. I mean, me personally, I am more, I'm always concerned with the finished product. How I got there, that's
00:23:01
Speaker
You know, that's up for debate. I mean, that's, that's, that's my personal preference. If I got there through, Hey, I'm just going to forge the Damascus or whatever, and then I'm going to stock removal, the billet, or I'm going to forge it to shape, or it's an integral. So I really do need to forge it. Like it's a, it's a matter of need, not, or, or want, not that I must forge it because that's the only way to do it.
00:23:29
Speaker
And I am so glad that I'm not, I don't have any opinion on that either way. Cause I just, I have never considered that. I haven't been influenced in that way that this is the right way. This was the wrong way. Um, pretty fortunate to not have that battle, I guess, uh, for me anyways, you know, I I'm with you a hundred percent, you know, uh, I just, it's gotta get done, you know? And, you know, I do this stuff for enjoyment, right? I mean, this is.
00:23:57
Speaker
This is what I'm doing it for. I mean, everybody else can, whatever opinion they need, but yeah, I think a combo forged stock removal is appropriate in certain circumstances and vice versa.
Forging vs. Stock Removal Debate
00:24:13
Speaker
People get into such religious debates on this like, oh, you can't call yourself a, you know, what is a knife maker versus a bladesmith? Like all this, this necessity to put labels on things and to put people in little buckets and like, you're over here in this bucket and I'm over here in this bucket. And, you know, especially on the Facebook groups, like
00:24:36
Speaker
Oh, it's like some of these guys like, Oh, you're a second class citizen because you're just a stock removal guy. And, um, it's just nonsense. Um, where the, I think it is. I should say that I think it's nonsense. I know some, some of my favorite makers are stock removal guys.
00:24:56
Speaker
Yeah. And I love hearing the stock removal guys go in on the, on the bladesmiths too. It's, it's awesome to me. I love it. I feel like it's a hard take there right there. Yeah, for sure. The, uh, Oh, I could do this faster if I forged it. I'm like, well, maybe the whole, you can save the steel, you can save that 79 cents worth of steel. Um, it's just never, unless it's Damascus, it's never a good argument.
00:25:27
Speaker
Yeah, one of the most intimidating things I heard last week was if you're going to, you know, forge, then he's like, say goodbye to flat surfaces. I was like, Oh, fuck. I mean, I like flat surfaces for points of reference and you know, scribe lines and that's not, not the case, I guess. Well, if you're going to do brute to forge, I mean, you can always forge and then surface grain. Yeah.
00:25:55
Speaker
purest, purest talk here, Dennis purest talk. Oh, yes. Completely purest, purest. Yes. No, no such thing as grinding. Yeah. But you know, I, like I said, I love the stock removal, but I think that's an amazing talent to be able to forge a knife completely to shape bevels, you know, and I mean, they're still grinding involved, obviously, but you know, like,
00:26:16
Speaker
I think it's all awesome. It's kind of my stance. That's where I want to be. I'm in competition with nobody. I don't need to join that kind of stuff. And I have enough shit that pisses me off in my regular life that I'm going to start debating here in this thing that's supposed to be my awesome place, my happy time. Yeah, absolutely. It's such a silly thing, but I'm sure I'll see some comments on the YouTube video about
00:26:46
Speaker
you know, this versus that or, you know, the gatekeeper not speaking to hot takes. So I think I told you, like, I am not a fan of the antler handle stuff. Like, and personally, man, it's just not something that I think is
00:27:09
Speaker
I mean, I've seen some awesome ones made, and to each their own, it's not something that I'm personally interested in. But a couple weeks back, a buddy of mine gave me this giant stump of manzanita wood, like a couple pieces. So I'm not a wood guy. I was joking a couple of weeks ago that I barely just cut my first piece of wood a couple of years ago.
00:27:40
Speaker
I don't know the difference between the hardwoods and the softwoods. The thought of processing wood, stabilizing and making my own handle material is how I felt about leatherworking when I first started. I just don't need another rabbit hole to dive into. I appreciate the gift and I've been talking to a couple people, I think it could be a
00:28:08
Speaker
good handle material so I gotta find somebody that's willing to you know help process it or you know figure that part out but at the same time do not call me because that is not my jam I'm with you so no interest maybe somebody out there yeah what's our email address triple t
00:28:35
Speaker
F K M podcasts, triple T for knife makers podcast at gmail.com.
Antler Materials Offer
00:28:43
Speaker
And then helping out this giant piece of manzanita that someone wants to help Jared with his wood. And they're very local here in the Bay area. I mean, not a specific request, but no, but in this thing, with that, those, um, stumps of wood,
00:29:04
Speaker
Uh, he gave me a couple of these antlers. All right, guys, I'm going to get made fun of here, but what is that? The, the crowns or the crown? Yeah. The crown. Yeah. So I literally have my bull horns up with the, the, the rock star thing I'm trying to show you right now that I don't have a camera. Yeah. The horns. So I have a couple of those and I was looking at it the other day and I was the second.
00:29:29
Speaker
Hmm, maybe I'll try to do one of these knives with the antler handles, so. What? It's like the wind, you know? Yeah. You're going to try an antler handle? You know what's going to make you change your mind? The second you drill into it or you grind it? It smells great, right? Oh, it just reeks. It smells like burnt hair. Not my favorite material. All right, so I got a couple antlers for somebody that wants to make it.
00:30:01
Speaker
You should do one once. I've done one. And I was like, yeah, it's all right. It's a little freeing because you don't have to shape the handle. That part's nice. You just kind of got to go with it. You got to put symmetry aside if you're like me where everything's got to be symmetrical. No, you got to put that aside. Well, yeah, I have some now. I would have never purchased them, but so there you go.
00:30:32
Speaker
for my future handle making processing handler handle of making knives. Pleasure. I'm still going on. I think I'm going on year three of having those fucking blocks of mammoth molar. What a terrible purchase that was.
00:30:58
Speaker
I'm ready to like throw those things in the garbage, but they're so expensive that I never would, but I hate them. Hate them. I've tried three times to use them and every time I'm like, why am I doing this? Why am I putting myself through this? They're just so chippy and I think they were just terribly stabilized, but I don't know.
00:31:21
Speaker
I hate it. Did you use them for spacers or something one time? I tried. I tried. The first time I wanted to use it for Bolster and it was just a nightmare and I never used it. And then I tried to use a piece as a spacer. Same thing. I was like, I'm, I was almost, you know, I'm like, Oh, it's going pretty good. I'm now, you know, and then one little, one little touch on the grinder and a big chunk comes out.
00:31:48
Speaker
Now I'm swearing, ready to throw the thing across the room. And yeah, I'm not doing it. They're just so, I don't know, maybe either I have a crappy piece or I just don't have the patience for it. I don't know what it is, but it's not for me. And yeah, I see, I see like Niels van der Berg do like a spiral fluted mammoth handle.
00:32:18
Speaker
I'm like, how? Like, how could he put that much time in like, does he have a magical piece of mammoth that is like totally different than what I have? Because I cannot imagine ever doing that with the piece that I have. That's like, it's just so crumbly and not crumbly, but chippy. Yeah, maybe he got a bunk piece.
00:32:46
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I actually had to send, uh, I bought it at, I don't know, one of the guys, um, I don't even remember. I was going to say I'm not going to help them, but I don't remember the name of the place, but one of the big carriers that played show and I had it in a drawer for, I mean, California gets warm in the shop, but you know, not like crazy warm, but even so I came back like two months later, opened up my drawer and the thing was,
00:33:15
Speaker
like cracked in like 10 different places, like it was falling apart, like it'd never been stabilized. And I sent them a picture and said, hey, like this doesn't look like it was stabilized at all. Like it was just crumbling. And they said, oh, okay, send it back to us and we'll send you another piece. And they did send me another piece, but you know, it hasn't fallen apart, but it's still chippy as hell.
00:33:42
Speaker
So, uh, if you guys use mammoth and you're a big fan, let me know what, uh, have I got a dud piece or, or what's going on? I've seen some really cool stuff out there with that. I've heard it smells like, yeah. Yeah. It's not as bad as the antler, but, uh, it's antlers worst. Oh yeah. I think antlers worse. Yeah.
00:34:11
Speaker
Oh, I don't know why Burt Antlers made me think about the Super Bowl, but, um, yeah, my Niners lost. It's been a rough day. They were winning the whole freaking game. Like they were, except for like one, like 90 second period, except for that, they were winning the entire thing and then
00:34:37
Speaker
I mean, I'll be honest, like my home's just outplayed. I'll play the Niners in OT. I mean, he's a prick, but I got to give him props because eight, what is it? Eight, eight downs and forward progress in every single one of them. We couldn't even get.
00:35:07
Speaker
you know, what we had one, one possession, we barely got the field goal. Yes, though. I mean, I'm not a big sports fan. It's my wife, it's the big sports fan, but I did watch the game. I do enjoy talking to Kim about the Niners more than you. But it would have been nice to see the home team win, right? Yeah, yes.
00:35:37
Speaker
Well, I could say that I'm a big sports guy. I've been a lifelong Oakland A's fan San Francisco 49ers. I hate the giants. Don't really care too much about the Raiders, but not too bad. But yeah, for us to get here and to still have the, because I almost flew to Miami the last time they played, I had this crazy deal where somebody was like, I'll cover everything. If you get your ticket, which was like five grand, right?
00:36:07
Speaker
But I was like, I don't know if that's a bad deal on my side or he was getting a better deal, but, um, could you imagine flying home from Miami after losing? I mean, Vegas, that would have been a quicker trip. So, but, um, that was still fresh in my mind to say the least. And, uh, yeah, to lose to, yeah, my home's just, he's a Brady, he's a, he's a,
00:36:32
Speaker
fucking great quarterback. You can't take anything from that. And, uh, yeah, fuck him. That's about it. Speaking of prices though, like just on a, you know, on a, on a whim on a laugh, Kim and I were looking at prices for, uh, for super bowl
Super Bowl Costs and Travel
00:36:48
Speaker
tickets. Yeah. The cheapest, the cheapest seats are like 7,500 bucks. Yeah. And you're so far away, you're better off watching it on TV.
00:37:00
Speaker
Yeah. Like I couldn't believe it. The seats that are like decent seats are like 25 grand. Yeah. And then plus he better win the losing overtime. And then Vegas hotels, when there's a game on, it's like 1200 bucks a night.
00:37:24
Speaker
Yeah. Like seriously. That's what it's about. Unless you're like staying off the strip with the hookers or something like, I don't know, but, uh, anything, any of the decent hotels were like seven 50 and up a night. So like, it's not just, you know, 20 grand times two for two people, plus the room, plus the food, plus the, you know,
00:37:49
Speaker
That's like two cars. That's a lot of knife steel, a lot of handle material, a lot of tools. That's how I equate those things now. You could outfit a whole professional knife making shop or you could go to the Super Bowl. And watch the Niners lose.
00:38:15
Speaker
Oh, but at least it was a good game winning overtime. You know, it was good. Yeah. It was a nail biter. It was a great game. I wanted to throw up the whole time. So that's how I know it's a good game. Yeah. Now on to my shitty A's. So I'll focus on 4G. I think that's a brighter prospect for me right now. Right. Well, when does, this is my knowledge of, when does baseball start? It's like in the summer, right? Like I hate baseball. So I don't know. I don't know why I talk to you.
00:38:45
Speaker
Um, spring training starts in March, which is a amazing time. I went for like eight years on a row right before COVID happened. Um, so they, they have a spring training in Arizona and one in Florida. And then the season will start right. I think that's like three or four weeks and then it rolls right in. So we're, we're, we're about to start up again. Hmm.
00:39:12
Speaker
See, I'm not even a good Canadian. I don't even really watch hockey. Like, I don't follow hockey. I mean, I did when I lived in Canada, but not anymore. That's right. Nate told me, it was posted on my Facebook. He's like, don't worry, there's a lot of hockey left. I might just take on, yeah. I just might take that up. That's not even there.
00:39:37
Speaker
It's the, it's the only major league sport where fights are a regular thing. So you're welcome. I love going to them. I've been to quite a few, uh, shark games out here, uh, in the past couple of years. They're a lot of fun because yeah, they fight. Oh, Hey, well, speaking of fighting, I should talk about the excitement I had, uh, uh, Thursday morning here at home.
Neighborhood SWAT Operation
00:40:04
Speaker
Oh yeah. Uh,
00:40:07
Speaker
So, uh, I'll give everybody the rundown. So, you know, I live in no Bay area of California. It's pretty nice neighborhood. I mean, it's like residential. It's not, I don't live in Oakland or, you know, in the hood or anything. You live in a nice neighborhood, Dennis. Yeah. And.
00:40:28
Speaker
Uh, like it's three in the morning or something like that. And I keep hearing this like really loud voice, like, like a gut, like a guy on a loudspeaker or something. And I'm like, I go downstairs thinking it's like my wife, she couldn't sleep. So she went downstairs. So I'm thinking she's listening to the TV really loud. I go downstairs. She's passed out on the couch. And then I realized it's a megaphone outside.
00:40:57
Speaker
I'm like, what the hell? So I go up in this room in the office and I look out the window and I see cop cars, like lights from cop cars flashing, right? And I see all these spotlights on the house that is like, so my neighbor, his backyard backs on to mine. Well, so he's on the next street right in front of him.
00:41:22
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They have all the spotlights on this house. There's four cop cars. There's a SWAT armored vehicle there with SWAT guys in full camo and assault rifles. They have this house surrounded. This is at like three in the morning. Every 10 minutes, they come on the loudspeaker and they say,
00:41:48
Speaker
We have the house surrounded, please come out with your hands up, blah, blah, blah. And they keep saying that every 10 minutes. The guy's obviously not doing it. And this went on from three o'clock until about 6.30 in the morning. And then they got on the megaphone and they started doing this like every two minutes.
00:42:09
Speaker
And then the, uh, the SWAT really got active. Then they start shooting tear gas. They're shooting out the windows. And then like my wife and her stand here for an hour, just watching the show out of the office window. And I mean, I think they weren't, I don't think they were firing the salt rifles or anything like that. Like bullets. I think they were, but they're, they're shooting to bust out windows and fire tear gas into the house.
00:42:36
Speaker
And eventually around 8.30ish, right before 8.30, like 15 SWAT guys just broke down the door. They went in the house. They dragged this guy out. He's sitting on the curb. I put it on Instagram, the picture of this guy. They had him on the curb. I think they, I don't know if they shot him.
00:42:59
Speaker
But he was bleeding from like the abdomen, but I don't know if it was like they were dragging him, you know, across glass or whatever. Like maybe they shot him with a rubber bullet or I don't know what. But they did. They'd take him away in a stretcher. So that was my excitement. Got no sleep that night because two or three in the morning all this starts. So, yeah, come to California. It's beautiful, they said.
00:43:26
Speaker
Yeah. And then as a result of that, you can spend an extra 30 minutes and you're already hour plus commute trying to go to work. Cause somebody wants to act like a mask. Cause that's what happened. You were letting me know. Yeah. I was, you're like, go, there's a standoff there. Yeah. And it was extra spicy trying to get, get through. So yeah, that was a, that was a fun morning. Um, watching these guys fire into a home and break glass and
00:43:58
Speaker
But interesting stuff. Very active week this week. Are you calling those blood welds the starry night? I think now that I'm looking at the pattern more, I think I'm going to go with some kind of, I don't know. To me, they kind of look like almost like black holes.
00:44:25
Speaker
Like kind of like a cosmos of black holes kind of thing. Yeah. So, uh, I don't know. I, at first I was calling it starry night, but now that I've seen it etched, um, it, uh, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll let, uh, let other people, uh, name it. Yeah, I think so. Cause I'm not getting a starry night vibe. No, no, I, I'm not getting it now. Um, maybe, uh,
00:44:54
Speaker
black hole sun or something, steal something from, uh, but yeah, like the, the, uh, the four or 50 layer kind of the background in some areas, it's, it's kind of wavy and it looks, it looks really cool. I'm really happy with it. It's more like a Milky Way. I like that Milky Way. Yeah.
00:45:24
Speaker
Yeah, I like that. I like the word cosmos. So maybe I'll direct put that in there. So there you go. You just did through the cosmos. All right. Well, I guess, uh, next week we're talking about forging on the, uh, on the triple T. I'm excited to hear about that. I'll be completely locked into that one. Um, hopefully you guys listen to any guy, any
00:45:52
Speaker
thing that you're interested in seeing or hearing about to you. Um, that'd be awesome. And, uh, I'm going to try not to, uh, over inundate myself with, uh, real life work and I, I'm ready to. Fetch the wave cutter. Oh yeah. Yes. Nice. Got it all sanded. And now I was just looking at it and I'm like,
00:46:22
Speaker
Well, fuck. I've only, uh, I don't know. I got to rethink that. I want to know if I'm going to go standard or the Gator piss. I'm trying to make a decision. Yeah. I think I'm actually going to order some more of that Gator piss and, uh, give it a second shot. Um, cause I had mixed result come out. Yeah. I've had some, seen some stuff come out ridiculous.
00:46:50
Speaker
with it, like just ridiculously awesome. Yeah, so I mean, part of me thinks it's just, you know, it's ferric plus muriatic acid, hydrochloric acid, same thing, whatever. Because then it doesn't bleed the copper. But then I was like, it really, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what kind of magic sauce coin the boys are putting in that thing. But there's obviously some kind of magic
00:47:19
Speaker
some bigger magic. I've seen some really cool stuff come off of it lately. So that's why I got to decide that and then get that thing glued up and out of my effing shop so I can move on to the next one. Because my whips are exceed five. So I got to be cracking here. Oh, working project working progress.
00:47:48
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually really excited on that buoy knife, the mystery buoy knife. If I'm going to do a video, I think I am going to do a video on that just because it's a total mystery to me. Yeah, at least the reveal. Yeah, right. The other thing I'm deciding on this beginner series is
00:48:19
Speaker
I want to go deep on the beginner topics, but like, are people, like, are people sitting there saying, when's you going to make a knife? Like, cause I do want to do like the knife steel intro and the, you know, I want to redo my heat treating video and a bunch of stuff, but you know, maybe I'll, maybe I'll intersperse those with, um, you know, like the next week, like this week's will be the, the,
00:48:48
Speaker
intro to bladesmithing kind of thing or getting started bladesmithing and then then maybe I do the forging video and then pause and do oh let's talk about knife steals and then another one and then you know do the the stock removal portion of the you know forged it to shape and now we're gonna you know
00:49:12
Speaker
Now is like, okay, it's kind of like stock removal. I have a, I have a blank and now we're going to be doing all of the, you know, he'll like drilling holes and stuff like that. And then, and then I'll interspersed with the heat treating video, but I don't know. I got to think about it. Too many options. I know this, this is the content creator, right? Yeah. And not considering everyone's opinions, I guess.
00:49:41
Speaker
You're going to lose someone's not going to give a shit about what, what, you know, this week's episode is on and on and on and on. So I think you'll, uh, you're going after beginners right now. So go after that. Right. Right. So that's like the one question I wanted to, to, you know, the question of the day, and this comes up all
Upgrading to a 2x72 Grinder
00:50:03
Speaker
the time. Like I've literally answered this question probably.
00:50:07
Speaker
you know, or I've seen it asked on the Facebook groups probably five times in the last week by different people, you know, like what is a good two by 72 or when should I go to a two by two by 72 grinder? Uh, I saw one, I think today, should I get an oven or a two by 72? So let, let's hear Jared's a view on this. When, when should you go to a two by 72?
00:50:38
Speaker
I think you should go to a, so I have my, what I did was I got an oven first because trying to heat treat out of a forge was something that interested me zero and the chances of me consistently getting a heat treat that was, you know, reliable was not really relevant, but having built my
00:51:09
Speaker
2 by 72. I would say that's probably the way to go first. And I would do it as soon as you can if this is something that you really want to do. That's from my side. The versatility of it. The amount of processes that are simplified with a little investment in the 2 by 72
00:51:37
Speaker
The time savings alone is incredible, not to mention how much better your work can get. I mean, I'm not saying you have to, obviously. It does help. And if you have the means and the ability, I would say just buy one before you start. I'm kidding. But I mean, and I never started, I started with a, which is, and I said in the last video, I started with it. Like, I think it was like a.
00:52:04
Speaker
one of those combo disc sander kind of belt grinder kind of combos. And I'm pretty sure it was either a, I can't remember if it was a three or a four, four by 36 or something like that. And it was terrible. Cause like the wide four inch belt is terrible for knives. Cause you just don't have the, you need that narrower belt, right?
00:52:33
Speaker
So that's, you know, yeah. And it was just, it had a myriad of other issues. But I mean, I know a lot of guys that start with the one by 30 and they can get by with it. And, you know, I'm not opposed to telling people start with the one by 30 because not everyone knows if they're going to stay with the craft enough to invest in a two by 72.
00:53:03
Speaker
But, you know, given that there's kits out there, like the revolution, which is like, I mean, I don't know, it's around 800 bucks and you got to buy the motor and the VFD. Yeah. Okay. You need to know how to weld. So if you don't know how to weld, then maybe that's not the one, but there are other low entries, two by 72 is like, do you, do you get a cheap two by 72? Um, or.
00:53:31
Speaker
you know, do you, do you save up and get, you know, when I'm Arab rate abroad, back, uh, pick your favorite name out there. Um, so that's, you know, it's always an interesting discussion. Like the experience makers look back and go, Oh yeah, of course, get a two by 72 as soon as you can. But, you know, how many people get into this and get out of it right away. That's true. Like I started with a one by 30, went to a two by 42 or 48, whatever that is. I can't remember right now.
00:54:01
Speaker
Um, the one by 30 was fine. The speed was a lot easier to deal with my two by 42. I want to say, I got one of those, those Palm grin, some it's, uh, nothing hall to ask though. That was just one speed hall ass, you know, and as soon as you got to like a one 20 belts or something, it was like, Oh no, that was not for me. So variable speed was huge for me. Um,
00:54:31
Speaker
And then I tried, uh, that's why I started building my own. So, um, I mean, the investment in a one by 30 is well worth it opposed to like files or something like that. Unless that's what you're into. Um, but I think, I guess I'm one of those guys and I haven't, I haven't had a two by 72. It's like, I can't, I can't look back now.
00:54:56
Speaker
the variable. Yeah, of course, everyone wants you because now they make that that grizzly. Yeah. Has a two by 42 or two by 48. That's like 300 bucks. And it's variable speed tilts. I've heard some things with the motors going on them pretty quick. And you may be, you know, F that way, but I've only seen a couple of that. But that would be like perfect. If that was around when I started, that would have been because that was about what I paid for the for the second one that I bought.
00:55:26
Speaker
the single speed 2 by 42. I hope I'm saying that right. Yeah, I haven't. I have heard mixed reviews on those with a lot of issues with the motor and then I just read someone's feedback about because someone said, oh yeah, they fixed the motor issue and then someone said, no, they didn't. All they did was put some
00:55:47
Speaker
feature in that didn't really, you know, the motor still under power, you still burn it out or whatever, but I don't, I don't have it. But I just think the concept of it and the price point on it would be, I would have, I would have bought it. Yeah. I mean, if someone could come out with a really cheap, really cheap entry, two by 48 or something like that, it would, yeah, it would do really well.
00:56:15
Speaker
And I think that's what Grizzly was trying to do. So they're on the right path. They just got to, you know, either up the price point a bit so they can get quality or, you know, sacrifice something. But it would, it would be a good machine if, uh, you know, they get it right. And, you know, they probably, well, there's stuff's usually pretty good. Yeah. So it's a V one, right? There you go. I like that.
00:56:47
Speaker
Yeah. So my last topic that I have is to talk about Instagram.
Instagram Algorithm and Knife Makers
00:56:54
Speaker
So I am finally, maybe I shouldn't jinx it, but I am finally out of Instagram, I'll call it jail, but you know. That's what I was in. I've heard other people, because I did a little poll
00:57:09
Speaker
or post whatever and asked if anyone and a couple of people said, yeah, they just, they also just got out of recommendation jail. So I'm wondering if they, they fixed their algorithm, um, a little bit, so they weren't flagging everybody. Um, so I don't know, but my fingers across that, uh, it, it stays that way because every one of my posts was just getting
00:57:39
Speaker
You know, everyone, it would, it would barely have a knife picture in it. The one I, that I wear, I was twisting Damascus got flagged. It's just a, it's a hot piece of steel that I'm twisting. Like how could you flag that for anything? So it was, it was getting ridiculous. And I had a, I was talking with, um, with, um, shit, um,
00:58:05
Speaker
Noah Vachon. And I was saying like, maybe, you know, the people, the people that I noticed that were getting flagged the most actually had knife or knife works or knives as part of their Instagram handle. So I was theorizing like, are we getting targeted more because one of those terms is in our Instagram handle. Um, but I don't, I don't know. Who knows. I've actually,
00:58:36
Speaker
I forgot about it. And then I went and checked and I'd been clear for at least a month prior to when you had just posted that. Yeah. No, I mean, it was, I checked it religiously, like every couple of days, appealing every single time that I remembered and it wasn't doing anything. And then finally, like I didn't.
00:59:06
Speaker
Like it had been probably a week and I just looked and I was green, which was blew me away. Yeah. I think I gave up somewhere around Christmas time. I actually had to step away from, from Instagram for a minute and take a break. Cause I was not finding, I think, you know, when you, you're posting things and you're getting, you know, a couple hundred views and that whole thing was discouraging enough. And then, um,
00:59:36
Speaker
So I took a nice little break and kind of recharged. And I think it's funny you're bringing that up because that was something that I was going to say was that I'm like back in and looking at everybody's stuff and starting to get that spark of inspiration and encouragement when you see people you know and that you don't know doing cool things and making stuff. And that's how it was when I first started.
01:00:02
Speaker
It was awesome that part of our community sharing everything. So I like, I want to make it a point to actually start, because what I define myself guilty of is scrolling past shit or looking at it and saying, Oh my God, that's really cool. And then I keep flipping. I don't, you know, sometimes I try to, if I try to remember to like, but I'm, I'm, I'm trying to make it more of an effort to comment and participate in, you know, um,
01:00:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And I know what you mean. And I'm guilty of the same thing. I'm just like, you get into that death scroll mode where you're just like, scroll, scroll, scroll. And then I forget like, oh, that's a friend of mine. I got a like and I got an interact and I got a post. And yeah, I mean, I want to comment. Yeah, no, but I want to do, but I just forget sometimes. You know, you're like, Oh, and then
01:00:56
Speaker
you'll see, you know, a comment or something like that. Like get stuff is, it's important. I was saying that's what we do this for, but it's, it's awesome to hear. And I want to, I want to participate and interact with, with everybody in this community. And I think I'm just trying to make a better effort to, to do that because I think it helps, you know, uh, it helps push that the algorithm and kind of combat what you were talking about with, you know, it's getting that weird AI target or whatever, you know,
01:01:23
Speaker
But if I think it's cool, I think you should know it's cool. That's kind of like my motto right now. And I'm going to try to stick to that.
01:01:34
Speaker
Hey, kudos to Fader for the old throwing the shit at the anvil and having the knife appear. So many people, not like copied it, but have reacted to that. Pickles was funny where he throws the pickle and he's sitting on the anvil. I missed that one. That was a good idea. You missed that one? Oh, man. Go to Pickles page and look at that one. That was the funniest one yet. God damn.
01:02:03
Speaker
No, that was pretty cool. Yeah. I was just listening to Knife Talk right before this and Fader was like, yeah, I'm doing this.
01:02:17
Speaker
you know, most of the interactions are from other knife makers, which, you know, he's trying to sell knives. Who gives a shit if like, knife makers are interacting with them, right? Like, I mean, he cares, but that's what he said. And I, you know, we probably should get wrapping this up, but like, I was listening to, um, to koi on, on full blast and, and Brian as well, when they're talking about business, you know, I just, maybe someday in the future,
01:02:46
Speaker
that'll be the focal point, you know, because those those kind of takes are still like, you know, you know, as you're learning and growing and trying to, you know, develop a skill and a style and, you know, ultimately sales and business are part of that, you know, but it's, you know, it's not my my strong point. And it's not my focus right now, you know, and I know there's other people that are, you know, similar to that. And I just
01:03:15
Speaker
For that reason, I think the knife maker participation is cool, but for some people, this is their livelihood. And they don't have the situation that I have where you want to not do what you're doing for a living to feed your family because you want to do something else. But it's a drive of making that time. And so I think it's important to
01:03:42
Speaker
for me anyways to participate in interactive and while remembering that, you know, this is a business for some people, you know, and there's a strong drive to be great businessmen. And I think there's some great examples of people that are doing great business and, you know, in this community. So I appreciate all sides of that. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it can be quite the dichotomy of like, yeah, you want to be,
01:04:13
Speaker
You want to be with the community, but the community is not, they're not your, sometimes they're your buyers, but they're not your target. So, you know, if you're, if you're in the knife game as a business, like don't market the knife makers, they're not going to buy your knife, which makes perfect sense. But you know, when other knife makers interact with your stuff, it hopefully pushes it out to, you know, non followers and gets that, you know, get your exposure up. But what the fuck do I know?
01:04:43
Speaker
Yeah. I'm just trying to make a night. You know, lots. You know, lots. Alright, man. Say hey, when you're back in the Bay Area. I got in this morning. I'll be back tomorrow night. Late, late, late. And then. Oh, you're going to party in the metropolis of Idaho? No, I'm not going to have any time. I'm going to sit in my truck and do a podcast. Well, I should be answering emails but.
01:05:12
Speaker
And then I got a couple meetings and some stuff tonight. And then, yeah, it's actually not, this place is cool. It wasn't so damn cold. And, uh, I think I'm about 10 years too late on the, uh, you just cut out there with, it's cool. Where are you? I'm in Meridian right now, but I mean, yes. Yeah. Boy. See, that was a good one. But, uh, yeah, it's nice out here, dude. If it wasn't cold, like if it didn't snow, I'd.
01:05:42
Speaker
I'd be here in a heartbeat and about 10 years too late. It's just as expensive as back home almost. That's crazy, but it's going to turn into California light pretty soon. It's already there. All right, man. All right. We'll take care. Come back safe and I'll talk to you soon. And, uh, yeah, I got a busy big ass shop chair waiting for me when I get off.
01:06:10
Speaker
That's right. A big ass, literally a big ass shop chair. All right, man. I'm going to play you out. You can't see me dancing.