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A Chatsunam-AI Retrospective: The Benefits of AI #1
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Happy New Year Pandalorians! In the first part of this two part retrospective, Satsu is joined by the marvellous Marie from the WeNeededRoads podcast to discuss the positive impacts of AI in the world. How has AI helped with wildlife conservation? Can charities and health services such as the NHS truly benefit from its usage? And how has it helped the hosts in day to day life? Without any further ado, let's find out!
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Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello Pandalorians and a happy 2026. Hope your new year is going fantastic so far. In this two-part episode, I am joined today by the marvellous Marie from the We Needed Roads podcast to discuss the topic of AI. This episode will be delving into the question of how AI can be used positively. Please note, however, that this episode may contain strong language and topics that some listeners may find upsetting. Listener discretion is advised.
Humor and AI in Podcasting
00:00:27
Speaker
Happy 2026, Satsu! Ready for another episode? Thank you, esteemed co-host, for your kind affirmations. What the f*** is this? Oh, hey, Marie. Check it out. The future. Why do you have a robot version of yourself? Well... Seeing as I'm neither a billionaire or a horrible person, I'm doing the next best thing to stay ahead of all the other content creators. Say hello to the Chatsunam AI, the future of podcasting. Can you stop saying it like that? Look, give it a chance. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?
00:01:04
Speaker
And there goes another forest. Gosh, they don't make them like they used to. That's it. I'm shutting this off. Good luck with that. this baby is so sturdy that nothing's stopping it. Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:01:19
Speaker
Aw man, I signed a deal with Disney for that rule robot. Welcome to an AI-free Chatsunami.
Podcast Community Dynamics
00:01:28
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to the first episode of 2026. My name's Satsunami and joining me is the former holder for the longest episode of Chatsunami. It is Marie from the We Needed Roads podcast. Marie, welcome back. How you feeling? I was feeling good until you reminded me of the fact that my crown got stolen. I'm still outraged about that. Well, bring it up with a look from the Howdy Beans podcast because I'm sorry, it's not my fault. I'm sure to bring it up, he's been moving into my territory as well. You've been seeing him popping up on We Needed Roads quite a bit now as well, so... Yeah, have to admit, I remember the other day I was scrolling through my timeline and I was like, oh, cool, We Needed Roads again. Oh, there's Neo, there's Marie, there's Luke, there's Luke. Wait, what? I'm sorry.
00:02:18
Speaker
It's like, you know that BoJack joke where it's like, what is this, a crossover episode? Yeah, he's coming for my spot as the youngest co-host of the We Needed Roads podcast. Yeah, he can't keep getting away with this, can Exactly. At this point, it's a personal attack. Look, if you're listening to this, this is a declaration of what Namely Drinking for. For legal reasons, that is a joke.
00:02:38
Speaker
Shield your window for bricks. So this is the first episode, can I just remind you, of Chatsunami in 2026? Yeah. I've just started it by saying, you know, we love the indie podcast community. We love you all, all equally. Except you, Luke, we're coming for you. This is an act of war, you know. Nah, for legal reasons, and this is a joke. We love you really, Luke, but we will be talking to you in the group chat. We will. And, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I think this
Social Media Negativity
00:03:08
Speaker
is the second year that I'm starting off a season of Chatsunami. It is indeed, because last year we talked about stunt food. Take that, Luke!
00:03:17
Speaker
I have to say, though, I think that has shaped our friendship, Marie, because the amount of times I'll be scrolling through Instagram, TikTok, whatever, and then I see the most deviant person alive being like, oh, look at this. I've got chocolate on top of chocolate. And, you know, they're just making a mess or they're making the world's worst culinary creation. And then I'm like, you know who would love this? Marie, you go and I'll just forward it on to you being like, yeah, do you want to watch this? Just utter abomination of food. Usually you're having a good day up until that point as well. So in a formal capacity, I apologise.
00:03:56
Speaker
I mean, it's okay. I do the same to you. It's an odd friendship because we just rage bait each other. And like, we would be just be quiet. And then once a week, we just send us the odd video or article and going like, enjoy. And yeah, it's just the most deranged shit ever. But I think we've evoked the clause. If I have to suffer, you have to suffer. This is a team building thing. This is a team. Yeah, and it's mutually assured rage baiting, to be honest. Yeah, because there is a lot of things you and I see online. And don't get me wrong, that is the internet in 2026. And 2025 as well, of course, which is the year we have just hopped off of. But yeah, it's just, it's nothing but negativity. I mean, used to kind of be that way at the beginning of the 2020s, but am I right in saying it's just gotten worse? Yeah, definitely. I mean, rage baiting just does so well. I mean, I don't think people who are making that shit are even eating it or something like that. It's really just to get us angry for it. So I mean, which is really bad because they're like, Oh, I'm gonna make the whole world angry at me instead of I'm gonna create something that will make people smile. I'm usually used to that kind of thing in isolated communities, like especially because, as you know, I'm a video gamer and I see a lot of very passionate fanbases, let's just say. Some people who are like, oh, gee willikers, I love this game. And then the other sweaty abomination crawling out the hole going, oh, you really, you love this game? Did you play the remakes only? like You know, that kind of thing. And you're like, no, great, here we go. And there's a whole back and forth. and you think right okay that's
AI's Societal Impact
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isolated to that part of the internet but it feels as if nowadays yeah it's just kind of spilling over and it's the only way to gain traction online nowadays if i have to see one of those stupid what do these colors remind you of posts i think i'm gonna scream i genuinely i think i'm gonna flip a mic because i just i can't handle it anymore marie i'm sorry i just i can't handle it why you did this become a thing yeah there seems to be a lot of those kind of repetitive type engagement bait and usually it's from all the same blue tick accounts and everything and i'm gonna hold my hands up here because for a while i tried out the tick to think oh maybe it'll help engagement with the podcast because let's face it in 2026 we are drowning against all these other accounts, but it honestly did nothing. And let's face it, X is just a hellhole now. Not to get too political, but I'm gonna get political, it I'm sorry, do you know who you're talking to? What? What?
00:06:25
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You brought me on the show, things are gonna get political. I mean, true, true. This episode sponsored by our dear leader. No, I'm joking. But speaking of rage bait and certain individuals we will get on to, today we are going to be talking about a very contentious issue. And this is one that you and I have been going back on, a bit like Stunt Food, where I was watching all these videos and I was like, i wonder who's the best person to bring on for this? And of course, you know, now I saw you equaled my rage for this kind of thing. So I was like, yep, Marie, need you on for this one. But then we got to talking about AI and the impact that it the good, the bad, mainly the bad bit. Again, we will get on to a kind of balanced view because I just want to get this out of the way that we're not going to be focusing primarily on all AIs, bads and all encompassing. But yeah, we've got to talk about the good. We're going to talk about the bad. And the more the year 2025 went on, the more content we were just accumulating. I would say we were eating well, but I wouldn't say it was good food. What's that?
00:07:34
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No, no. It's be everyone's not even bad. It's just a disturbing. I see something and then I'm just going like, this cannot be real. We shouldn't be heading into this direction. No, abort, abandon ship. This can't be the future. Because I remember... and I'm wondering if you're the same when you were growing up, that when you read books about the future and things, and don't get me wrong, I think a lot of them were written in a time that didn't really envision the future that we've got now, but, you know, it was like flying cars, utopian paradises, were all working together, and while it is naive to think that everyone's going to set aside their differences and work together, I didn't think it was going to be this bad.
AI in Creative Fields
00:08:14
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to be honest. But were you the same when you were growing up that you thought the future was going to be a bit more idyllic, that's a word, or at least cool, let's say? ah No, I mean, i I think I've always been a negative. Yeah. A Debbie Downer, like, we're all going to die, even when I was a kid. It's the German in me. But then I never thought this is like the future of technology. gee I mean, I still remember when c Siri dropped and then everyone thought it would be like Jarvis from Iron Man and it was just the complete opposite it was just rather shit to be honest siri is still rather of shit in my opinion i mean have you seen it with a scottish accent i mean i genuinely think that it's gotten used to my accent now but genuinely this is a joke that's as old as time but whenever a scottish person comes into contact with any voice recognition thing if a machine can understand the scottish accent that is when it's all over Because I feel as if my accent, although it is Scottish, it is relatively mild in comparison to some of the other ones out there. But I remember when I first got my phone and I was trying to set up Siri and everything and I was yelling at it, saying, I want this, I want you to do that. And it was like, I'm sorry, I don't understand. And I'm like, the more I went on, the angrier I got. And the angrier I get, the more Scottish I get. so
00:09:33
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So I was like, listen here, do this now. or i swear to god and you know my phone actually shut off would you believe out of fear of self-preservation don't know but i just yeah sorry had enough of me and i'm totally not checking my phone to see if it's set off and it's like i'm the same i was just just like suddenly the screen the lights up like what did you say about me Funny enough, the other night I was sitting chatting away to my partner and you know, we're chatting away, we're having a cup of tea and everything and then two seconds later all hear is a ding followed by, I'm sorry, didn't catch that and it's like, I did not invite you
AI in Daily Life
00:10:11
Speaker
into this conversation, get away from here. But mean, you're right because we had Siri, we had Alexa as well and if this podcast has triggered any of those, I apologise for that.
00:10:21
Speaker
and but yeah i remember that and it was kind of cool because do you remember those buttons that you used to be able to get and this sounds so redundant to get i bet you're probably thinking ya more useless plastic that was like if you ran out of a particular item you could press a button and it would add it to your amazon shopping cart or something yeah Yeah, I do know what you mean, but that became superfluous because you needed a button for every single item that you bought and then you have these all these random plastic buttons all over. Yeah, it was really weird the way they did it. And it's like you couldn't buy it through the bucket. only added it because obviously imagine you had a toddler who went to town on that button and suddenly you've got 300 cases of washing up liquid or something. Yeah, would not be practical. But that was an interesting period because you thought well AI is developing slowly and I mean even back in I want to say it was 2017 although I could be wrong maybe it's 2019 where we got the video of Will Smith eating spaghetti do you remember that horror abomination Oh, God, I forgot about it, but now you reminded me. Yeah, that was horrific, where you saw it and you laughed at it. There was also another program called, I think it was Dally 2 or something, and that was one of these ones that it looked really bizarre and very David Lynch-esque. You're like, oh, generate me a red panda and it would be this eldritch silent hill abomination. It's like, no, I don't like that.
00:11:57
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I don't like that at all. And then you kind of thought, OK, that's where it's reached the limit of AI. But over the years, it has developed. It has encroached in different areas. And as I said, when we were talking about this, initially you think, all right, we're just going to focus on one area, that'll be fine. But it seems as if it's just growing arms and legs and it's just getting its sticky mitts in every single part of life that either we enjoy, either we interact with. yeah it's snowballing it's snowballing yeah and it just infesting everything I still remember when for me when I was just my moments like the f*** is this is when I was applying for a job and under one of the job requirements it was like knowing how to write AI prompts and like this was for a creative job and I was just like the f*** and most importantly this was for a sustainable company so I was just like you shouldn't be using a AI in the first place what is this that seems like a bit of an oxymoron doesn't it I mean, it does. Obviously, I did not get the job because I think I was too sustainable for them.
00:13:00
Speaker
Really? They're like, this girl is going to cause trouble around the office. bet you she has a bamboo toothbrush and everything. Yeah. But yeah, just remember seeing that now I see it more and more and more. And it's just in hindsight, it is a skill to know how to write a proper AI prompts, especially if you're in my field, like social media marketing, because I think the problem with AI, people see it as a just a do your work for me kind of solution. will do this for me. And I'm like, no, you need to know how to write a prompt. You need to know how to be able to use the software properly to get the best results. Another dystopian element to it is that it will tell you what you want to hear. The first thing you ask something to chat GBT, the first thing it does, it's like, that's a good question or that's a great idea. And that's faintened manipulation. It's doing that on purpose. It's trying to be your friend. Oh, we'll get onto that. Yeah. We will, we will, yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself here. no, absolutely. We were joking about this before we came on because I wanted to give AI a fair shot, right? I wanted to put the question out there and ask the Pandalodians out there, What did they think of AI? Do they think it's a positive thing? Do they think it's a negative thing? And what was really annoyed at is whenever you don't want these AI bros popping up, then they always do saying AI is the best thing ever. And it's like, well, that's all fine and good, but not talking about AI just now. So put away your soap. box but whenever i want their opinion they're never there hashtag where were the ai bros when the west will tell honestly it's so frustrating but fortunately did get a couple of people and i can verify they are real people
Environmental and Ethical Concerns of AI
00:14:38
Speaker
they're not just ai bros that would have been very meta if like you asked people what they think of ai and then ai answered it it would be the spider-man meme
00:14:47
Speaker
Can I just get this out of the way first? See the amount of AI responses that I see on a daily basis and that annoys the shit out of me. I hate it. I am so sorry I'm going to be negative for a second, but I just hate the, wow, this is an interesting thing. i wonder what brave new thing so-and-so will do. And I'm like, you're a machine. You do not care about this topic. And it's like one after the other. You know, dead internet theory. It just feels like that, doesn't it? It feels like just a bunch of machines talking to one another. Yeah. Yeah, just doesn't get Anyway, sorry, that was a sidechanger. I'll probably come back to it and moan about it later, but... So, these very real people. I just want to look at it. So...
00:15:31
Speaker
The first comment we got was from mr V who says, Gen AI is like the compound chocolate of content. It's cheap and low quality and real chocolate lovers will hate it. But too many people won't notice they're eating chocolatey flavoured candy and they'll keep eating it because they don't realise how bad it really is compared to the real thing. That is such a good analogy. Hats off to him. Especially as, again, this is a slight tangent, Marie Lore, but I was born in Brussels, so I know what good chocolate is because I had it since birth. ah That's why that analogy speaks to me because whenever people try to give me the shitty chocolate, I'm like, the f*** is
00:16:12
Speaker
But then some people do not notice because they've never had proper Belgium chocolate. I love when someone does analogy that involves food. I think that's so good. What is it with our episodes and food?
00:16:24
Speaker
I think it's a self-reflection on us. I mean, we do really like We're foodies at heart. When it comes to who spams the most food porn in the chat, it's you or me. True, yeah. And we're going on to the next segment of the podcast, Bring Out the Meat Hat. No, we can't.
00:16:43
Speaker
In case you're wondering what a meat hat is, go listen to our stunt food episode because I cannot describe it. that Oh dear. Anyway, so meat hats us aside, the next comment we've got is from Josh Scar of the Talking Smack podcast, who says, AI doesn't belong in creative spaces. I fully understand its allure and the temptation it brings, but the ends don't justify the means. Stealing others' content and the environmental impact the data centres need to operate the servers should have killed the concept before it even began.
00:17:17
Speaker
That is a fair point as well though yeah i'm sure that's something we're going to get on to later but i mean the environmental impact is just shocking isn't it no
AI and Accessibility
00:17:27
Speaker
definitely and i think the fact that he pointed out it doesn't belong in a creative space which i completely agree with i should have saved it because i don't know who said it so i wasn't the one who said this but i did see this tweet where someone was just like i don't want ai to draw me a picture or write my next novel for me I want AI to do my laundry, help me cook, take all these tasks that stop me from being creative because that's what I need. I don't want them to do the creativity for me. I want it to help me do all the meaningless tasks we have to do in our human existence so we can be creative. No, 100%. For some reason, it does remind me of, and again, i can't believe I'm flashing back to this month, but our Bioshock month, where we got very deep, i have to say, talking about Ayn Rand's philosophy, this idea of objectivism where, yeah, you're working for yourself, and, you know, it's all fine and good, but when you cut out the necessary cogs in society, it just like kind of falls apart. And again, in an ideal world, all we would do is pursue these creative endeavours that we want to do, but for some reason, i think a lot of these tech bros and things have got it flipped around where they're saying, oh no, we can make the machines do the creative parts for you, it's like, well, then what's the point in life?
00:18:45
Speaker
you I know I'm pulling that card out early, but it's like, what is the point I mean, okay, I'm presuming here, but I think it's because they themselves don't have a creative bone in their body. Drawing or something like that, and that's the thing. It makes you feel good about possessing a skill that you don't have. I mean, I'm pretty sure we're going to get into AI art eventually. Oh, 100%. Every time I see something like that, I'm just like, when people call themselves an AI artist, I'm just like, oh. That's a contradiction, yeah. Oh, such a contradiction. Yeah. The last couple that we got was not to put an old horror trope of it's coming from inside the building, but it came from our own group chat with the Podpack Collective. Huge shout out to the Podpack Collective. Lovely people.
00:19:27
Speaker
We were talking to the Game Club Pod and Dan from Gaming Views as well. And they were having a very interesting back and forth. And I'm not going to read out the full thing because let's say we'll be here a while because it is some very salient.
AI in Combating Misinformation
00:19:42
Speaker
points because Joey from the Game Club pod was talking about how people might be misinformed that AI is going to be replacing human jobs anytime soon, although obviously there are going to be examples of that to a certain degree. In his words, he says is not a replacement for human jobs. People thinking that are misinformed and quite frankly dreaming, but he also brings up the point that AI hatred has become a somewhat buzzword to encourage engagement as well, which It is an interesting point that a lot of creatives, and again, we'll get onto but lot of creatives have been targeted and told that, oh, we don't like your work because it's clearly AI when it's not AI. It's just people want to hate on something and they want to throw around this word AI and slop as well, which I hate with a passion because it's become the new buzzword. Do you remember when the term fake news popped up by Unilever? And then all of a sudden that was everybody's favourite phrase. They were saying fake news here, fake news there. And it's like, why don't you just call it a lie? No, no, no. Has to be fake news. Has to be a buzzword. And nowadays I see people use just slop as an adjective for things they
Global Applications of AI
00:20:53
Speaker
don't like. Oh, this is video game slop. This is film slop. It's like, you're not using these words properly. Stop acting like i mean am i going crazy or do you feel as that's did you send me this we sent each other so much slop has become the word of the year yeah i'm not sure if you sent me this or if you saw online oh no i definitely sent you because i was like how appropriate today the day we're recording that was announced that has become yeah the word of the year of 2025 and i'm like that is absolutely insane The one that enrages me the most, yeah, because we've even had friends come up and they're like, they just excused me of my voice being AI. It's like, I'm a real person. We've had that conversation. And then the one that gets me is when people say K-pop demon hunters is AI. And I'm just like, the f***?
00:21:40
Speaker
Oh, we'll get on to K-pop Demon Hunters because I have a bone to pick with that whole thing. Not with K-pop Demon Hunters itself. Right. Okay. i'm I'm going to draw the line here. But with adjacent advertising, let's just say. Oh, I think I know we're we're heading with this. Okay, let's. Yeah, there's two, but we will we get on to that. Again, that's going to be the catchphrase.
00:22:00
Speaker
We will get on to it. I feel like I teacher you know see me after class you you and you but continuing the mot joy was saying said basically that ai has been about and they quote-unquote problem since the 70s it's only now with advancements and the concern that people will lose out because of it rather than be enhanced by it and that it's become widely hated and of course he prefaces the understands about the environmental impact Right.
00:22:40
Speaker
yeah feels f fei is going to catch up that's i That's the thing. I mean, we don't really know. But I think those sites have reached a peak because the term here is generative AI. It's continuing learning. And as it learns, it's that learning aspect that is continuing having the environmental harm. It's not like it's a one and done situation. This exists. No, it's like as it learns, as it gets smarter, it needs more data centers. It takes up more electricity. It takes more cooling. So it's using water. And then of course all these centers are in impoverished countries where water is running scarce and then they're using all this water to for the AI to cool everything. But I think that's the kind of the thing that it's almost like I'm gonna throw in another food analogy here. But the way I view AI, it's basically like for me the same equivalent as eating meat where you need to acknowledge the responsibility of it. you're eating meat, you're eating an animal, you didn't take a life, but a life has been lost for you to get that food. And a lot of people don't like to think about that and just sweep it under the rug and they don't like to know where that food comes from. And I think that's the same with AI. If you're going to use this, you need to understand this. You need to know how it works and not even just the environmental impact of it, but also just in general how it works. I see people saying, oh, and then I asked chat to UBT and I'm like, that's not how it works. Then it really bothers me because I'm like, okay, there's the environmental impact of it. And then you just wasted that prompt by question because you don't even know how to use the technology properly. because I'm not even saying it's difficult. That's the thing. Once you understand how AI works and how you can write a decent AI prompt and how you can get AI to work with you. Yes, it's a very beneficial tool, but a lot of people don't understand that that. I think the biggest example I have when my previous work, now this was two to three years ago now. So ChatGBT wasn't as evolved as it was now. And they asked, chat gbt to find sustainable fashion because this was again ironically a sustainable fashion brand they asked chat gbt to find sustainable stores in portugal where they could sell their clothes and chat gbt interpreted that as writing a blog post so chat gbt just wrote a blog post and half of these stores were non-existent or half of these stores closed like a year ago they got in a way a bit troubled because they're like oh we gave you a list of 50 stores but you only added 10 to the list i'm like yeah because half of these were fake You told it to write a post about sustainable fashion stores. It did that, but you didn't tell it to base it on on current reviews, base it on current locations. You didn't harness the parameters. You just asked it to generate random shit. And that's what it did. You weren't specific enough with your prompt. And that's kind of when I get it annoyed with people using AI. It's like you need to know how it works and how to use it, even just for yourself to get the best results. Yeah, I feel as if we're experiencing a similar progression stream as, remember NFTs? Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, and the blockchain and everything. And I always remember at the time people were saying this is great technology for things like digital ownership and receipts and whatnot. And don't get me wrong, that was ah very interesting application for it. And i thought in some regards, yeah, that process
00:25:42
Speaker
Probably could be a stroke. I don't know. I'm not going to say, oh, 100%, you know, because I'm simplifying a more complex, you know, process and issue and things. But it's kind of hard to take these people seriously when what they're using that new technology for is a JPEG.
00:26:00
Speaker
of a monkey or, you know, a JPEG or something. And it's like, oh, buy this for 100 bitcoins. And you're like, really, is this the best you could come up with? You're saying that this is the future consuming digital PNGs and everything. And they're like, oh no, but I've got the whatever blockchain code or something attached. It's like... Yeah, but no one gives a shit. It feels as if with AI, it's in a similar vein that everybody is jumping on this technology, but nobody really knows how to use it, whether that's students, companies, business people. Honestly, the amount of companies I've seen jumping on already, and it's like you have no idea what you're jumping into. Yeah, exactly. They're like, it's a trend. It's trendy. Everyone else is doing it, but I'm like, no. you know why you need it?
Personal Use of AI
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Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Where's the need? honestly it's absolutely crazy and before we jump into because honestly i think we're both chomping at a bit again going back to the chat the rest of the game club pods interjected and again reinforce this idea that ai does have a place as a tool and i completely agree because as you said you use it as well for some of your work and by your work i'm not saying your podcast but some things I have to admit I've used it a couple of times not to write anything because again I'll get onto that but I'm very against that in the creator sphere but again we'll get onto that when I say for my work it's just like I am extremely dyslexic that is the technical term Windows Word I'll check on that it's useless I mean I had to deal with that for years before AI came up the red squiggly line still haunts my dreams because the thing about that type of spell check and this is where AI comes in it never picked up on content So I never knew what I was saying. And then I would sometimes misspell the word in such a degree that even the squiggly line came up, but there has no suggestions and something like that. And having an AI tool to properly spell check your work, that is a big relief for me. And because of course, with dyslexia, writing anxiety comes with a lot of anxiety for me. So things like writing messages, emails, excitements, stuff like that what other people view as basic human communication for me it's extremely stressful because i've had in the past where i've misspelled something and then someone's just laughed in my face and i'm just like you know i can't my brain can literally not tell you what i just did it doesn't communicate so having just an ai saying oh can you make sure this is dramatically and all the words are spelled correctly yes that is extremely handy and it has also reduced my stress level a lot when i'm talking to people And I mean, as well, going back to the example in the chat, yeah, they've brought up using it in things like Excel 365, which, again, I'm completely on your side there, Marie. It's so useful for touch-ups and things like that and making sure you're going in the right direction. And I feel as if at times it can be a bit like, you remember Wikipedia when a lot of unis and colleges and things, they were like, don't use Wikipedia as a source and things. And I mean, you know, you said you didn't, but... at the same time you're like well yeah it can point you in the right direction and i feel as if with ai at times as long as you can back it up with a source and be like okay ai is pointing you that direction or it's sorting out things for you then at least as we're saying it's a good tool to have to help you to assist you which is something that i do totally agree i think It is something that can be handy, but as the GameCobPod says, the way that AI bros use the term tool, you have to read it as, and exactly what you were saying, Marie, AI should be used to replace any ounce of human creativity or input, and that's not how it should be. They also mention the absolute shitshow that is YouTube moderation, which, don't worry, we will get onto that. And the final one is just...
Future Implications of AI
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from Dan, who is part of Gaming Views, of course, him and his other host, coincidentally named Dan, they did a fantastic episode on AI and gaming, which I would wholeheartedly recommend you listen to. So after you listen to this episode, definitely go check out his stuff. Absolutely fantastic. But without any further ado, and can't believe I'm finally ripping the bandaid off this episode, without any further ado, we'll be right back after these messages. Welcome to Chatsunami, a Scottish variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime in general interest. Join me, your host, Satsunami, as well as the rest of our Chatsunami team for our takes on these very important pop culture topics. Sir, it's clearly a trap. I accept copyright! That happens three times in the film. Every time that general goes, don't do this one thing, he goes, do you know what I'ma do? It's the exact thing.
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And we are back. So, Marie, will we kick off with some of the good applications of AI? We can. I do actually have some examples where AI has generally helped me out, if you want to hear them. If you want me to kick this off. Yeah, go for it. One area which is very useful is, I currently, I live in Portugal, in a country that is not my native tongue. I'm doing my best to try and learn Portuguese, but it's a hard language, people. It's been a struggle. You're amongst friends here. It's okay.
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You can vent about Portuguese. It's so hard. But anyway, i love living here. But the one thing that I absolutely hate is dealing with Portuguese bureaucracy. I mean, I don't think there's any country where they're like, oh, yes, I'm looking forward to filing that paperwork because it's always a nightmare. And I recently had to do something because I moved and I needed to change an address.
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And even the website of the place where you had to change your address said that you needed to go in. And in order to like get this paper, you have to basically queue before they even open, because otherwise the queue is so long. Stand in line all day and then your entire day goes out the window. And I was just like, I really don't want to deal with this. Especially then I have to do it in my broken Portuguese. I always get weird looks and I also hate dealing with people in general. So I was just like, you know what? I'm going to just explain my situation to ChatGPT and see what it suggests and exactly what I needed. How was I supposed to do it? And is there any workaround? And then it was like, oh, yeah, no, don't worry. You don't need to stand in line. All you need to do is send this email to this address and they will change your address for you. Make sure you include evidence that you live there. But other than that, it's fine. And i was like, okay, this is too good to be true. So I did the exact steps that ChatGPT told me. Within the next day, I got a confirmation saying, yes, your address has changed. Everything's fine. That is what you need AI for. Dealing with all these little inconveniences in life, you just moved and you have to change all your addresses and you have to change your address in the official system. That is where it's convenient. because it saved me an entire day of sitting in line. It eliminated the stress of me not being able to talk Portuguese because it wrote out the email for me and told me exactly what I needed. And yeah, it was done within a day. I didn't have to leave my house, which is great. Going back to what we were saying before the ad break there, it so good when it's implemented as a tool, like an assistant. And I'm so happy that there is at least some silver linings for AIs. when it comes to this because yeah honestly the majority of people that i've heard praising ai and tech bros aside and everything we're not going to talk about that elephant in the room that ai generated elephant with freaky hands and two trunks and everything but from what i've heard a lot of people do use it for applications like that especially for day-to-day things I mean, another example I can say that does not affect me, but I have seen, because I'm chronically online and I follow quite a few content creators with disabilities, some that are blind, and they were like, well, this gives me independence. I still remember seeing this one video from a blind content creator that I really like where she's trying to get pregnant. And then she asked the AI to read the results of the pregnancy test because she's like, I don't want to give my pregnancy test to someone else. And then they find out that I'm pregnant before I do. That does not feel great. So me being able to just ask ChatGT, hey, can you tell me if my pregnancy test is positive or negative? That gives me independence. And that makes me feel like myself. It gives me that joy of finding out on my own if I'm pregnant instead of someone else telling me. And I was thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, that is a very good point. That is a great way to use AI, filling that need. And this is what I think will get into the bigger conversation. One thing that AI and how AI has taken off is that it's really highlighting a societal lack in something. The reason she needs to use AI to read a pregnancy test is that pregnancy tests aren't tactile and they aren't made for someone who cannot see. And that addresses another area of conversation where they're like, well, nearly everyone once in their life uses a pregnancy test. You might want to make them more accessible. So I think that's always the most interesting thing when people use AI. I'm just like, okay, they're using AI because of this is lacking and there's a bigger issue here. Because it's something that you touched on earlier when you said that there was a lot of people who don't understand how to utilize AI. I have to admit when I am guilty as well of using it to try it out to see what different AIs will tell me, whether that's ChatGPT, whether that's Grok, whether that's whatever one, just to see what each one comes back with. I'm not going near Grok. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I'll get on to that. I'll get on to it. It's interesting. But we'll put pin in that. But yeah, I feel as if a lot of people, when they use it they take the AI at face value. I remember there was a case study...
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It must have been a few years ago, or maybe it was this year. Time is a flat circle. Honestly, there's so much AI news coming out where a woman was absolutely heartbroken and she was crying her eyes out at the airport because she wanted to go to New Zealand and she asked ChatGPT to write an itinerary, what she needed, that kind of thing. But obviously it didn't tell her about the important things like a visa happening. how to get into the country, etc. So she basically wasted all her money booking these hotels, the flights and everything, and she couldn't go because she didn't have the visa, all because she relied on chat GPT. And I feel as if, like, it's easy to scoff at that and be like, oh, what a silly person, but... I do feel as well that a lot of people have to take more responsibility when they're using these types of tools that you know what you're using it for and you have to be ready to follow up and do further research on it because there's been times where out of interest to see how it works. I've put in a particular topic and I've said, can you summarise this, for example, episode that going to be talking about? And then it'll give me a list of things and it'll give me sources as well. Usually I'll follow up with the sources because I never at face value say, oh, the AI is right. No, it's like Wikipedia. Anyone can edit Wikipedia and anyone can influence this AI, especially the people who own it. But again, we'll get to that. catchphrase on the episode. But it is good to see that there is a baseline there that people can, you know, use it for, can jump off it. What was interesting as well was I was at a work conference where we actually had a seminar about AI in certain companies. And I actually sent a picture to you, I don't know if you remember this, where I was like, AI's not that widespread. And then I sent a photo to Marie and it's just all of these flashcards spread right over the table and it's like oh yeah it is everywhere is honestly everywhere i mean there's hundreds of examples before you run down do want to like again circle back to that story you were telling with the girl going to new zealand because again this shows exactly how people don't use ai because it's not human if you ask your friend oh i'm going to new zealand then they probably will eventually mention oh by the way are you aware that you need a visa but because she asked chat gbt to give her an itinerary she never asked chat gbt i'm going to new zealand what will i need and because you didn't give it that prompt it will never tell you and this is again think that's a perfect example that you just brought up that people don't understand how it works you have to know how to communicate with it and prompt it Because yeah, honestly, getting it to do you an itinerary, those are a headache. Those are work. I actually recently did use it for when I went to the Lisbon Film Festival. Because again, Portuguese people, they don't know how to build a website. They don't know how to organize things. So I got this timetable and it was just so confusing. Because it was happening all across Lisbon. And I was just like, okay, if I'm in this theater this afternoon, can I still run to this theater and see this movie in the evening? Will this work? And then I gave ChatGVD information, but I gave it the runtime of the movie when it starts and also the location of the theater. I gave it all the information it needed. And then it says, actually, no, you can't watch these two movies back to back because you won't make it in time to this theater and stuff like that. And again, that saved me a lot of stress. It's just, you need to know how to get this information out of it. And that's the thing though, that is an individual level. Although it is terrible that woman didn't get on a flight to New Zealand and granted I wish I was on flight to New Zealand some time. No, I mean she should have done some of her own research and checked entering a foreign country, what do I need? Oh, exactly. The irony is that if she typed that into Google, Google AI would have told her that she needed a visa. I mean, I just want to point out that for the fifth anniversary when I went to China, I did use Google. I used the gov.uk website. I did not use AI at any point. But that's the thing, though. That's an isolated incident. That is something that, although is terrible, she didn't get there. It's not going affect any of us on a wider level, on a societal level, whatever. I mean, you know, you'll scroll through and go, oh, that's terrible. Or if you're mean, you'll go, ha ha. But Yeah, you know, here at Chatsunami, we aren't mean. But yeah, that's, you know, all finding good. But when it comes to companies, though, then it starts to get me a bit wary because I think, how are companies, for better or worse, going to use that? And obviously, there are pros and cons for this. But you mind if I read out some positive examples in the way that is being used? No, we're shit-talking AI this whole episode. How dare No, of course. Well, okay, fine. AI sucks. End of episode. Yeah. No, no, I'm going for the gauntlet here. Go ahead. Yeah. Make sure this list is as long as possible.
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In the beginning... No, I'm kidding. So, one company they I saw was one called Full Fact, which is a AI-powered fact-checking platform. And I know the irony of this, but bear with me, is helping to combat fake news by detecting misinformation in real time and flagging deceptive content across social media and news sites. And the way they do it is i think they look out for patterns of speech and things like that online, which don't get me wrong, I know there's bots online that speak a particular way, but for a programme to, you know, go out there and at least try to attempt...
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to identify these before they start to spread widely, which I'm going to be honest, it's not overly effective because I feel as if the wave of misinformation is too great in comparison to how people are tackling them. But it is good that there is things there. The charity RNLI, Lifeboats UK, yeah they use AI-powered video analytics, to help their maritime safety and to enhance that by analysing footage from lifeboat missions. And then that helps them detect things like patterns, identify hazards, and you'll visualise that into data that they can use for the future. So that is fantastic. It's been used in a lot of retail for stock taking. Our health service, the and NHS, have also used it for basically triaging non-threatening illnesses so it frees up a lot of people who because we've got two we've got the nhs 24 or you phone 111 and you'll get through it to someone to be like oh your nose is bleeding do this do that whereas obviously you would phone 999 if it was urgent But to have an AI system in place to be able to ask these questions and at least free up the people who need to help people who are in greater need, that is, I mean, that has its pros and cons, but it's still good. It's in there. Ironically enough, and not health wise, but I remember the other day I had to contact my bank because of a charge and I got put through to one of these AI chatbot things. And initially it was like, oh, have I solved your problem?
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No. Are you sure? No. And it's like, okay, wait 30 minutes, I'll get a real human. I'm like, yeah, thanks, AI. the problem sorted but i suppose it is trying to go through the faqs and everything to say right you tried this you tried that i mean it is positive in a way also funny enough i saw a thing and i don't know if this is a charity or a education thing it's a thing that brazil seems to be using called and apologies if i'm butchering the portuguese pronunciation it's jovens genius i think Orhenius, they basically have tailor-made education plans. So they analyse the students' performances and learning behaviour, and then they deliver personalised educational content. It's already used in hundreds of Brazilian public schools, which is an interesting application. And again, there's pros and cons to lot of these I'm bringing up, because one of them that really stuck out to me was, and again, I won't name the charity, but there was a charity that used AI tools for donor outreach. which is interesting because the statistics said that it led to a 22% increase in email open rates and a 15% increase in donor retention. And they also reported reduction in staff time spent in manual targeting. On the one hand, I can see how that would free up things, but as someone who's worked with charities before, I can safely tell you that There are a lot of either vulnerable people people who they definitely let you know when they don't want to be contacted and that removing the human element out of that and having a machine constantly say, oh, you sure you don't want to donate £5 a month? And obviously I'm not saying these devices are predatory, but it's kind of a fine line to say for something so delicate, because I mean, nowadays you really don't have to look for, look in the comments of any charity video or whatever, who for some reason, if they still have the comments on, which they usually don't, but if they do, you know, it's people complaining. complaining and yelling about how CEOs are making all the money and blah blah blah. You know, it's quite vicious in a way, and you have to tread lightly, especially from a PR perspective. So again, I still think that what a lot of this boils down to data processing, I think, and trying to get the most optimal output. Because the other examples I've got, and this isn't really companies per se, but the other examples of good uses of AI, and apologies, I'm ranting here, There seems to be a lot of great uses in medical fields where think it was, yeah, a group at Mount Sinai use deep learning based AI algorithms to predict the development of diseases with 94% accuracy, including cancers of liver, rectum and prostate, which is absolutely fantastic. There are areas that this is being used without me cringing and going, oh God, what has AI done this time kind of thing the same with the world bee project they're using it to process the data that they pick up with their sensors microphones and cameras and the hives so that's helping to preserve the bees and save them there's also a couple but before sorry i go on is there any you want to interject with or any thoughts on those I mean, no, I mean, they're good. And I think it also does reflect what I said earlier on it, that it does highlight a societal need. Like the thing with you were saying with the NHS in the UK. Yes, it's great that there's that automated system of trying to find out, but that also highlights just how understaffed it actually is and how you can't get actual person. And then it's like one step to alleviate that pressure, but then also saying, okay, but how do we combine forces? I think... But I mean, I'd agree with you when it comes to data processing and also just, yeah, there it's like handy where it's effectively like not humanized, but it's another pair of eyes on something. And there is the benefit that you in a way have a partner. And to be honest, that's kind of the same with me because I work freelance. So I sometimes don't have anyone to double check things or run by. I mean, back in the day, I used to send things to my mom to ask her, again, is the spelling and grammar here correct? But I mean, that is not effective workflow. That is not the thing. But it's like, it's because I'm neurodivergent. I need that extra support. So even just having AI, it's like, is this email okay? And they're like, yeah, yeah, you're great. I'm like, okay, that's actually reassuring. Does give support in certain ways. I mean, yeah, it's not the root of all evil. Although we will... we will get to it oh we will oh we will 100 because that's the thing and obviously there is a significant environmental impact of ai but i'm also really surprised at the paradoxical nature of ai because on the one hand you do hear about that the amount of water that's needed to cool down the servers and whatnot and then that water becomes completely unusable you know it's tons and tons of wasted water but the same time, AI has also been used, as I said, with that project to protect the bees, but it's also been used for other things like wildlife conservation, predicting the animal's behaviour, predicting when poachers might attack, that kind of thing. And as well, I think it's the Google Flood Hub, it's called. They also use, again, it's this idea of using to process data to predict when these particular things are going to happen, when they're going happen, where they're going happen. It is so fascinating to see AI be used in such a positive way. There was also another interesting one. It was to do with world hunger prevention with the, and I love the acronym for this, the Nutrition Early Warning System, or NUWS as it's called, that uses machine learning and big data to identify regions that are increased risk of food shortages due to crop failure, rising food prices and drought. That is fantastic as well to be able to identify the particular areas to target because when you think especially charities or even in general people who are trying to target these problems... you hear a lot of people say, right, they're just going to tackle this problem, but with no real goal or target to fix it. And don't get me wrong, obviously all these companies are targeting them, nine times of ten, they have a plan. But for the average person going, oh well, how you going to do that? AI, I have to admit, seems to be helping people to understand where these resources are going, where they can direct their resources to help and everything. It's absolutely incredible to read about. Honestly, there's so many of them, but one last one that I want to touch on as well is the company Huawei. And this is something, I'll briefly touch on this, when I was in China with my partner for the five-year anniversary episode, I mean, we were there for a holiday, we weren't just there the Five year I about to you're living it up going to China for your five year anniversary. Yeah. When I was over there, what was quite interesting was feel as if China doesn't have as much of a stigma towards AI. I think overall that's a geopolitical thing that all the countries want to be head of the game for AI and everything but it was really surprising to see that their attitude was technology's here let's just use it let's go on with it because one of the things that really surprised me was when my partner and I we were in Shanghai we looked up and there was just this AI generated video of pandas eating a table and was so close Really AI? But no one batted an eye. Everyone was like, oh, right, okay. And a lot of the adverts as well, they were AI. It was just bizarre to see the kind of cultural difference. But going back to that, Huawei apparently has helped to use AI in augmented reality to create something called StorySign, which apparently is a free mobile app that helps deaf children learn to read by translating the text into sign language. They've also created Track AI, which can identify visual disorders in children so that they can provide treatment before disorders like blindness kick in. And then there was another interesting app, which I have to admit, I can vouch for the efficiency of these apps, but it's just ones that have been brought to my attention and I thought that was quite interesting. One called Facing Emotions, which is, again, another AI app that translates emotion into short and simple sounds. So the app I think is for people with visual impairments and uses the rear camera of someone's phone to evaluate someone's facial expressions and basically give feedback to show what emotion the person in front of them is conveying, you know, whether they're happy, angry, sad, surprised, which, It reminds me of something that, and I can't remember the context, but it's been used so many times where people say, if you don't understand the use for something, then it's probably not for you. You know the way you get a lot of things for disabilities and tools like that that help people who really need it, and a lot people scoff and go, oh, why would you need that? I can use this thing completely fine. And you know, you think, well, the tool or this application that's not really for you is for people who genuinely need it because they can maybe process things or they can't do things the same as someone else. So it's quite interesting to see that Huawei, of all people, they're basically all in on this. It does seem interesting, doesn't it? Yes, and there it's like extremely beneficial. And even with the scanning emotion reader, for me, I see even a need for that beyond someone being visually impaired. Like, for example, someone being neurodivergent or heavy on the autism spectrum where those sometimes struggle to read visual cues. And honestly, this is, yeah, where it's like, really useful or sometimes copying your text messages with someone into AI and then say, are they being passive aggressive? Am I being paranoid here? Sometimes many people, let's say neurotypical people or people who don't have disabilities hear that and they would also go, no, that sounds ridiculous. But even for me, who is neurodivergent, I'm like, oh, actually, that would be very useful because don't do sometimes struggle to read other people's emotions and missing those cues. So for someone who can't even see that, that would be, yeah, just another layer of accessibility. And I think that's where the future of AI should be. It should be in the area of accessibility and adding the normality to the day-to-day things that, for example, people who aren't visually impaired experience every single day, giving the opportunity people who are blind to have that opportunity to experience it maybe not as we do but still giving them another tool so that they work better within the world that the world works better for them essentially but yeah i completely agree and there yeah definitely when i hear that and that's why this is where i get on my soapbox or something i like that but that's why i also say to People, when it comes to the content that they consume, it's so important to follow other creators that do live with a disability or are neurodivergent, even if you aren't. So you know that there's a need. I still remember when I first had this realization, it was with plastic straws. obviously, you know, being an environmentalist, I was extremely against plastic straws. And then I came across a video by content creator called Jessica Calgan-Frozard, she has a very long name, but who has a host of disabilities. Very long list, which I won't get into it. And the way the thumbnail was set, I was just like, oh, this is just going to be like a posh British woman ranting about how she can no longer have her plastic straws in Starbucks and how this is taking away through it. And then I thought, okay, just click on it and hate watch And it actually led to me discovering one of my favorite content creators that I still follow today. And they pointed out people who have difficulty swallowing need straws and alternatives such as the paper straws, they disintegrate and they can get stuck in your throat. Or when there's also the pasta, straws that are made out of pasta that are a biodegradable alternative. And like, well, if you have a gluten allergy, that's terrible for you. So just taking away straws for people who need them is... I'm like, sorry, I'm going on a very tangent here, but that piece of information made me see the world in a different way. And that's kind of the same with AI. When I see other people interact with AI, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's need. That's something where this could be very beneficial to society overall. because it actually reminds me of a TikTok video that saw recently and you know how you get lot of these types of reaction videos where someone does something really obvious, they do something in quite a complicated way, and then someone does it the easy way, and there's like, oh why you doing it this way and usually nine times out ten that's just engagement bait or rage baiting that kind of thing but there was a really interesting video that i saw the other day and it was someone who i can't remember if they were opening a bottle or they were opening something and this guy basically opened it on his side completely fine and you know the idea was he was just mocking the way that they were doing that but then people pointed out to him that he was making fun of someone who couldn't open that normally and that is why they were doing it the way they were. And what really took me by surprise, and I genuinely was like, wow, what a person, was he made a follow-up video and he actually apologised and said he didn't realise because... he can do these particular things, but this person couldn't and they didn't realise and they really took accountability for it and everything. And again, wish more creators and even just random individuals who don't identify as being a content creator, I wish people would just take more responsibility for that way to say, okay, I've seen this person. I thought they were just doing a bit. They haven't. So I apologise for this. And obviously you get some that are very malicious and let's face it, We don't talk about those people, but for the people who are genuinely saying, oh, we want these spaces to be more inclusive, we don't want to put down people who are already down, it is so interesting to see that. But yeah, seeing that note, before we move on and take the kid gloves off, as it were, is there anything else positive that you want to bring up about AI? Another way that I've used it, and I think there are things like technology, like even apps that are starting to use this, is in the kitchen to prevent food waste. I am a terrible cook. I am such an impatient person. I always say I love food, but I hate to cook. So sometimes when I have all these random ingredients in my cupboard and I don't know what to do with it... I just ask AI, hey, I've got all these lists of ingredients. Can I make myself dinner? And they're like, yeah, absolutely. You can make this and this and this. And honestly, I've gotten some pretty good recipes out of it. And that's like another way to not reduce food waste, but it's also financially good for me because I'm not running out buying more food. And that is, again, it makes my life one little bit easier because it eliminates that stress of, oh shit, what am I gonna cook? I absolutely hate it. And they're now like, oh no, here's three to four recipes of what you can do with these ingredients. Or I'm currently knitting all of my Christmas presents and I did a big faux pas. I was almost finished my hat. And then you could see this happening in slow motion. I accidentally dropped my work and then my work flew off the needle. And I was just like, shit. This was like a week's worth of work. And I was just like, fuck, what do I do? And then I took a picture of it. Asked A.M. like, okay, this happened. What is my next step? And then they clearly wrote out, okay, so what you need to do, this and this and this. And they were able to fix my project. Again, this saved me having a small minor heart attack and having a little breakdown. I'm pretty sure you were around for this, which happened to me earlier this year, was the cockroach incident.
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Oh yeah. Where I discovered a cockroach and I was honestly spiraling. I just, I did not know what to do. And then again, this may superfluous and superulous and maybe i did kill a few trees with this, but I also did ask Chuck GBT, there's a cockroach in my kitchen. I don't know what to do. It's 2am. I can't get any product. How do I kill this thing? And I'm like, because I can't get near it. I couldn't physically get near it. And even just having a clear step by step walking out, closing a door, which again might sound superfluous, but as someone who's neurodivergent, when I'm in a crisis situation, those step by steps aren't that obvious to me. And since I live on my own, luckily i do have you guys, people who are also nocturnal like I am, but unfortunately you couldn't come over to my apartment and deal with the cockroach. You have to live in another country my bad yeah exactly but it's like stuff like that did manage to keep me calm as someone who has severe anxiety so i do see the benefit and i think another thing this actually kind of reminds me of is actually canva so i still remember the first time someone showed me canva i was honestly outraged Because I had just graduated from university, so I had my art degree. And I was just like, the f*** is this? No, this eliminates the whole point of graphic designers and stuff like that. And then you know what happened? I left university, my Adobe subscription ran out, I saw how expensive it was, and then I started to use Canva because it was a much cheaper option. Because Adobe is so inaccessible. And I've seen other graphic designers complain about Canva, but I'm like, you don't understand, especially like for someone running a small business or a recent and graduate, Adobe is just not the option anymore. And it's not like I'm using Canva to do all my work for me. All that graphic design knowledge that i accumulated in university is still in my brain. And I can use that efficiently. One of my biggest pet peeves, again, a tangent, is when I see something i'm like, okay, that's clearly a Canva template. You just change the colors. That kind of bothers me sometimes, especially if it's like a big brand. If it's a small thing, it doesn't bother me. But when it's a big brand, I'm like, oh, you just used a Canva template and you didn't change anything. but Again, I still remember like how angry I was when I was initially introduced to Canva. And now it's something that I use every single day and day throughout my multiple jobs that I'm currently holding. And I wouldn't be able to do my job without it. And I think this is kind of the step we see AI getting to. But then to wind this down, it has the opportunity to go to veer into a positive direction. But right now the needle is very much pointing to the negative direction because people are just stupid. And using AI in just all the wrong ways. I remember somebody saying that to me and touching on what you were saying about Adobe, which, yeah, that's a whole episode rant in a cell phone. I volunteer as cheer butte. If we're doing an episode on Adobe, I have some opinions on that.
01:02:23
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But I remember somebody saying that they put their podcast through Adobe to clean it up. And I mean, I don't think there is a program that really edits your podcast for you. i mean, there is technically, but I am such a perfectionist that I genuinely think, no, I'm going to root through this entire thing and just do it myself kind of thing because let's face it you know at this stage i can't afford to say oh yeah i'll just hire an editor pair episodes i mean it's four episodes a month i'm awaiting your phone call once you decide true yeah i'll get back to it we'll be in touch my red pandas i'll call your red pandas yeah ah Yeah, when I heard that, I was really intrigued that people were using AI, whether that was to touch up visuals, to touch up audio. And i mean, for better or worse, there are pros and cons to that. But I thought it was really fascinating. And I have to say, before we get into the negatives, because I do have a lot to say about this, I do find a lot of the, especially nowadays, but I do find a lot of the technology quite impressive. And I know that sounds weird to say nowadays, because you can tell if something's AI. Well, I say that, but it's getting harder and harder every day. Yeah, I've been sending you few things, and it's like, you have to look twice, I'm not going to lie, there's been one or two videos that have genuinely caught me out because if I'm glancing at it, I go, oh right, that looks real. And then I realise, oh sugar, that was AI, that wasn't real. And I feel duped, I feel stupid for it, but the fact it's getting realer and realer, on a technical side i'm like wow that's impressive but on the other side i'm like wow that is scary as hell it is really terrifying i can appreciate how it's evolved from that as i was saying before that abomination of dali 2 being the lynchian nightmare it was to you know sora ai and everything and chat gpt being a lot more realistic And it comes back with some really impressive results. I mean, I've tried it once or twice. And when i look at the results that it feeds back, you're like, wow, this is very scary. lie it is scary that you can type in a prompt and again that goes back to what you were saying that a lot of people who don't know how to use it they'll get terrible terrible results but you have to direct it you have to be like okay you want i don't know someone with five fingers not six you want them to be in this position you want them to do this you want a sign behind them and you know it didn't come away with the best results but it's a lot better than what it used to be. And that is what the scary thing is. It's something you said there, it's like a snowball effect. It is one thing where you're like, oh, that's a cool piece of technology. And then two seconds later, you're like, Jesus Christ, this is going to be the future for a lot of industries.
01:05:20
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Next week on Chatsunami. I don't claim to always have good taste, but this was during a Sword Art Online phase. Oh. We do have an episode on that, by the way, but Yeah. Whenever I say Scotland, people are going to go, oh yeah, is that what the woman-on-one kind of experience was? I'm like, for f***ing sake, here we go. Here we go. This is where we get to the bottom of the rabbit hole. We have such a wholesome friendship. Just traumatizing one another, yeah. Broccoli haircut guy, yay. people, I got the vegetable wrong.
01:05:52
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I don't have any cabbage heads. Broccoli here, yeah, cabbage. Broccoli, sorry, my bad. My cabbages. but