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Shared Growing Experiences
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K and I discuss our experience taking the StrongFit seminar and coaches week, some key takeaways we found valuable, and why I am fired up to evolve BTE and the BTE Seminar.
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Proactive Beginnings and Personal Responsibilities
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Hello. Hello. It's Monday. Yeah. We're being proactive. We're being proactive. And we're being risky at the same time with the pups. Well, sorry. We'll see how this goes. Stay positive. Yeah, I'm trying.
Taking Breaks and Immersive Experiences
00:00:28
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So we took a week off. Yeah. From the podcast. We did.
00:00:35
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And we're back. Where were we?
00:00:39
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We didn't go anywhere, but we were in the gym for a week. So we had, you had taken the strong fit course in the summer. And then you felt like it was like incredibly valuable. So then we brought the course to the gym. And so it was a weekend course, but then this time we also did the four days of like an immersive coaches week that followed it. So basically for six days we were,
00:01:08
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in a course at the gym. Let's talk about the weekend first. What did you think about the course? What did you think about the weekend? Yeah, I mean, I thought the weekend was great. There was a ton of... It was a really nice balance for me of personal takeaways.
00:01:30
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And then also like in thinking about the gym and kind of where we've been at with that things that we could apply to the gym. So I felt like it was packed filled with just valuable information for me. Yeah. I was really glad that there was a continuation that we were going to because it was a little overwhelming on Sunday.
Emotional and Intellectual Growth in Fitness
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The thought of just going back to like Monday morning,
00:01:59
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I could see how there could be a drop off in that, letting that stuff sort of sink in and marinate. So I was glad that it wasn't just like back to life on Monday. Right. What about the week?
00:02:16
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Yeah. The week, and we were laughing about this yesterday, like by Thursday, it was kind of like, okay, no more. I can't, I can't take anymore. Um, yeah, I thought the week was interesting. It wasn't, I liked the pace. It wasn't like, there was more learning obviously, and a little more digging into content, but it was very much about application and it was more intimate. There were only five of us. So, you know, I felt like,
00:02:46
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that was also valuable just in a little bit of a different way, but it let us sort of just take in what we'd experienced. It was definitely emotional. I thought the week started to really, whether it was because you were letting things sink in a little bit or because of what we did during the week, either way was
00:03:13
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It kind of came to like a built to a more emotional experience. I thought for me. Emotional experiences. I feel like that's something that we both have or have experienced facilitate are involved in. And I think we're open to that. I think most people who probably listened to this podcast are open to that. Yeah.
00:03:42
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even in contrast to just like intellectual, like learning brain physical. I guess, yeah, in some ways. I also think that just the label, and it's a fine label, and it's your, but like having an emotional experience,
00:04:03
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I feel like is looked as as either too heavy, a negative, um, like hippy dippy, hippy dippy woo woo. Yeah, that's not for me. Like, you know, and that is where I think when we say like emotional experiences, which this weekend as well as the week is,
00:04:28
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which is what between the ears is, which is what some regular CrossFit classes are. You know, it's, it, there's some serious power there.
00:04:42
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but for, but you, you, you drop the E word and I feel like all of a sudden it's like, eh, I'm not really quite sure about that. And that could be a judgment on my end. That could be, you know, whatever, but I think, and that's something we've been talking about in a lot of podcasts with between the years or our experience at the gym.
The Power and Perception of Emotions
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I mean, you know, people, I think who are a little resistant to that, it's like, I don't know. I don't like, I don't have time for that, but what's that really?
00:05:11
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about, like if you can't, like we all know emotions are part of life, right? Like if you're not experiencing emotions, you're there's something you seriously, you're like a sociopath, right? But people like to have them only when they deem them appropriate. So like, yes, it's appropriate to cry at a wedding, cry at a funeral, right? If you get into an argument, but like coloring outside the lines gets uncomfortable for people. And so if that's a seminar that's about
00:05:42
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Like, hey, I came here to learn about, you know, how to get fitter. Why are we talking about, you know, emotional mapping? That is where I think people start to get uncomfortable or it's like, yeah, I don't really need that. Like it doesn't, a lot of people are like, I go to therapy if I want to like work on myself. I go to the gym if I want to work on my body.
00:06:05
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I read books and I, whatever to work on my brain. And it's just not, we know now like that's, it's not that simple. And I think that course was very much in line with.
00:06:17
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like between the ears and the gym where we're open to like it isn't that simple and they all sort of intersect right so I thought that was really cool that we felt that was a familiar place for us yeah yeah yeah that and and that was something that was one of my big takeaways too so obviously I did the course in late July
00:06:39
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And a mere two and a half months later, it was a very different course. Um, I enjoyed both of them tremendously, obviously. Um, but I thought that this, this weekend was particularly more, not necessarily more refined, but it was. Digestible.
00:07:05
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Yeah, it was just solid. I mean, it was just it was just awesome. So sorry, I have a cold. Yeah, I thought we had a lot of our own takeaways personally and then obviously takeaways we can apply to between the ears to the gym so that it was like very valuable from that side. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And the emotional thing, like I guess just before we move on from it, I think that
00:07:34
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If I were to say like emotional, what's the first thing that comes to your mind? Crying. Crying. Yeah. And like, why? What's that all about? You know, like that's not... There is a little bit of a negative stigma. Like, oh, well, and women, like, oh, you're so emotional. Yes. Like, that's the thing that women like...
00:07:54
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Have like that's been put on women like they're they're so emotional meanwhile there can't be a woman president because she would make emotional decisions I mean nobody says there can't be a dude president or Yeah, this guy makes emotion like it. You know I mean Cold and don't express emotions and women are too emotional
00:08:12
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Yeah. And it's like this, we have this really twisted, disordered, inaccurate relationship with emotional with that, with that word. And it's thrown around. Well, even like emotional eating. And that is a negative. I mean, that, that's like, okay, your relationship with food, if it's emotional is bad. So there's a ton of ways that like we, we put it into,
00:08:41
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Contacts where it's negative. So of course when you just remove everything else and just say emotional it's kind of branded into our minds as like has a little bit of that like week Yeah, you know like kind of like you're you don't have your shit together like
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Right. But then, and I don't know if we've, if I've talked, if we've talked about this before, you know, previously, but then you have books like, you know, Harvard business review, we'll put out books like emotional intelligence, emotional intelligence 1.0, emotional intelligence 2.0.
Exploring Emotional Health in Various Contexts
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And you pick this thing up and it's the most unemotional thing ever. Well, it's very sterile and very, I think that's the, the,
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business the sort of that Intellect way of saying like okay. Well, we know there's some value here or like even Companies like we've talked about this as it relates to you doing corporate events Companies realize that like yes, if your employees Aren't healthy emotionally that would not be good for their work output Right. So like that could be someone that doesn't express any emotion who has no empathy for the people they work with that could be someone that
00:09:52
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is over-expressive, regardless.
00:09:55
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Yes. The emotional health of your people likely has an impact on their productivity. Yeah. So they recognize that, but then they'll put something in place. That's kind of just like a, a, a format of checking the box, like those tests and things. And then when someone like you who's more like, okay, this isn't that simple comes along. It's like, yeah, that doesn't really fit into our little, what we just need it to look like. Yeah. So I think they're trying to check that box, but they're afraid to like,
00:10:25
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well it has to still have a lot of constraints and has to look a certain way because otherwise it does appear messy and weak and out of our scope. So I think some of those books it's like it's a little bit of that like it's just you can't talk about the emotional side of things and have it also be as cut and dry as like
00:10:48
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bicep curl it's just not it's not like that and and so what I found really cool this this week this weekend and week was that emotional landscape of without it being it wasn't therapy no it wasn't
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funeral or a wedding or you know it wasn't this it was it was an emotional experience though and I found that that was for me one of the one of the biggest takeaways was just navigating that landscape and what's really cool about it for me personally and professionally I guess
00:11:38
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That is a major topic of that I'm going to present on with at the BTE Seminar. What is, what's the top? The relationship between rational and emotional language and how we can use that to improve like our lives. And we have to at least look at it. And so I was pleasantly surprised because there wasn't as much of that when I took it in July. There was actually,
00:12:09
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I mean it was just different it was there but I guess it was maybe not as direct and then obviously the coaches week I didn't take in July and so I found that to be a very positive thing for me because like there is so much alignment and there's so much like yes and so one of the cool things was like
00:12:29
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I know this stuff works. You know it by experience. I know it by experience. And that's the other thing. And intuition and just innateness. And one of the things I respected about Julian and Richard was they were like, yeah, we know. And of course, there's a lot I don't know and there's a lot I'm trying to learn, but there's shit that I know.
00:12:53
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And they talked about kind of the back end science, and they were like, oh, that's why it works. Yeah, because I don't know the science. Because I don't know all the big words, and I don't read the studies. I mean, yeah, people who lift weights, and I don't know about hypertrophy. But there's such a- There's also a lot of things happening when I do this. But that's the thing. It's like we are not, if I were to say like, hey, I have a feeling, and I just kind of know deep down inside that what I'm doing is right,
Intuition vs. Metrics in Fitness
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and it helps people and it works. That is not evident. That is not generally accepted evidence. I need to see the science, I need to see the study, I need to see the testimonials, I need to see where your sources are. Wait, ironically, you can create and fabricate that stuff and prove anything you want, this day and age. Any argument out there, there's evidence to support everything. But it was, yeah, I thought that was really, for me as well,
00:13:51
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on the sidelines experiencing, seeing some of that and making the connections when they talked about things like, wow, that's really cool. That, that is totally like between the ears. So that was awesome. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, so yeah, I mean, I was just gonna on that note, just on the personal side for me as well. Yeah. Kind of in line with that. Um, I thought it was really impactful.
00:14:20
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You know, so for me, having fitness, having been like my passion, helping people, that's like from when I was whatever 21, realizing like that's what I want to do.
00:14:31
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And also having that same like I know that it's more than just moving your body parts. And that was what was really amazing about CrossFit that I felt connected to like there's something else here. We're not just talking about like do three sets of 12 kind of stuff. So it was really for me personally to experience that like where there was maybe some disconnect
00:15:00
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with my own body and like kind of how that, how I can work on that via the seminar. Yeah. That kind of highlighted that. And also some of the, um, limitations I've, or what's the word, the trap I've kind of fallen into a little bit with the past 12 years of how I've approached
00:15:24
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fitness and kind of being competitive and how that maybe has limited, um, some of the goals I have and things like that. Can you be more specific? Yeah. I mean, so they talked about, so some of the stuff, you know, with data and metrics, letting numbers and data and the clock and the times and the weights and the outcome.
00:15:51
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very specific outcomes, be a direct reflection on how I'm doing. And that's just, and I think that in the fitness sense, like very specific to that, um, that was kind of interesting where I really was like, wow, that's, that's definitely what I've been doing. And the option, the other option being to kind of relinquish some of that and not feel like everything is bound to, well, the number says this, so then I'll feel this. And that is.
00:16:19
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a little bit as we talked about, a pitfall of and a byproduct of every workout I've done for 12 years. There's been a clock, there's been a time, there's been a... But I would even say that's a fitness image. Sure. Like three sets of 10, four sets of 12, drop sets, this and that. And if you fail that one and the numbers and running on a treadmill. I mean, I can't run a treadmill. Everything's okay if it's this and then the point two and then the time and then the, you know, so just the data kind of
00:16:49
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understanding a little better like okay what that impact has been so all that said I think from the gym applications that was kind of a personal thing but you know we've been obviously turning
00:17:02
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you know, the ship a little bit evolving. And it was really cool to have some things that we could sort of start implementing, but also to really feel like to your point with between the years and the gym, like there are emotional experiences people have via movement. So we know that about the gym when people come in, they're in a mood,
00:17:26
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they're in a good mood or a bad mood or they're struggling or like the gym is a place. It's not just about, I'm just going to come and move my body, that connection. So having that understanding and sort of where we're trying to go and how we can better help people. Yeah. That was really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. Um,
00:17:47
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I think was good to go through it together. Yeah. Obviously, uh, personally, but primarily personally, but then also for our shared pursuits, the German and it's been a while, I think, you know, talking about continuing education, like what is that trying to get better. Um, but that was what was really,
00:18:12
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you know, doing that together and being excited and kind of learning obviously for ourselves, but for the gym, for our businesses. Like I think that's just a really important, like that's necessary.
Continuing Education and Personal Growth
00:18:27
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Um, yeah, not every seminar of course is, you know, the idea is sure you're learning, you're educating yourself and then you may be bring that back to apply it. Um,
00:18:40
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This I just found, it was a lot of value. It wasn't just like, oh, here's how to, just one very small, specific thing that maybe isn't as helpful in the grand scheme of things. Maybe going to a muscle-up clinic, coming back and being able to teach someone a muscle-up better, that's great. But it's limited in its impact. Right, right, right. How did you find the experience of being a participant
00:19:10
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in a personal development course. And that's what it was. It was a personal development course that I, if looking around, I believe, maybe not. I don't know what people's backgrounds are. I don't think anybody knew it was going to be that.
00:19:28
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Sure. Impactful. Like I think that there's, because it's fitness, it's like, okay, we see the movements, there's a sandbags, there's this, there's that, there's training, we all do it. Like it's a little bit of a bait. It's not a bait and a switch. I don't mean to pin it in a negative thing, but I think it's, it's only natural that like a bunch of athletes and coaches come there and like the, generally the common ground is the movements, the programming, the, some of the science, but like it's a little bit.
00:19:55
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removed from you and what they did which I thought was Great. They talked about that for sure. They blasted it wide open. So then it's you and it's your experience and it's you know you as a human being and Like if and even from a coaching standpoint like if you want to be a better coach be a better person first and
00:20:18
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Right. Well, that I think is, that was a tremendous, that's something that we, I do feel like we look at like coaching is a very specific, that's very specific. It's not, um, reading a script and we've talked about that. So the difference coaching does involve a relationship with that person and
00:20:44
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like you've talked about it, like defining like a coach. It's also not just giving that person the answers. You're helping that person like kind of guiding them to come to them on their own. That's a lot more powerful. So yeah, I think that that then it's not as simple as just like I'm teaching you this, memorize that. There were a lot of like go find the answers for us as a participant. So as a participant, I felt like, um,
00:21:12
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Yeah, of course, there was part of me that wanted to just be like, OK, well, you know, tell me what to do. Yeah. Which was interesting because being on that receiving end is kind of funny because automatically for me, I go to that same place like.
00:21:31
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Okay, just tell me what to do, which I can empathize with like, people in a class like, well, I don't know. Like, how does that feel? I don't know. Like trying to really like, be on the receiving end of that. So it was, that was interesting. Yeah. Did you find yourself resisting at all? Um, I guess what I'm trying to say is like,
00:22:00
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If maybe you didn't think or know that it was as personal, as emotional, did it surprise you? And were you ever like, ee, I don't know. Like I kind of want to back away and just like talk about the sandbag, but like, how was your- Well, I think I did know. So it's kind of hard to, like you basically said like, wow, this is like a really,
00:22:25
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you know, this is beyond movement. So I kind of expected that I don't think I think I have my own, like even when we've done between the years events, as you know, like tested them. There's some resistance that may come up. But I don't think some resistance. We all that's part of my journey. I know. I just you know, you know, there's some times where it's like,
00:22:53
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Yeah, my experience as a participant and all those things, I've had that experience with you as well of just navigating like what you're ready to go, you know, just
00:23:05
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That protective mechanism of like, okay, I don't really know if I want to go there right now. Right. Am I may, you know, kind of that inner dialogue to like, why am I thinking that? Like, where's that coming from? So a lot, but I liked that that environment being in a setting, what I think is really valuable about a seminar, a workshop.
00:23:27
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The rest of the world is kind of like you're there. You have a chance to let those things sort of swirl around. It doesn't mean that in that moment you just like burst wide open and have all these epiphanies, but there's like this pause in life where you're in that and that's what you're focused on. It's not just like driving from here to there and you have a couple of thoughts in the car and then you get distracted by work for eight hours, 24 hours, whatever it is.
00:23:55
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it's kind of a good opportunity to like explore some of those things. And I think that's really what's valuable about a course like that, a seminar, a workshop. Yeah. What, um, I guess this isn't really a question because whatever, but
00:24:20
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I feel like personal development and maybe we've talked, maybe we've talked about it. I don't know, but I feel like personal development, mindset improvement, learning about yourself also has a stigma and a resistance, as you say, or a reservation or a hesitation for people like, yeah, there's a little bit of that, like,
00:24:48
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soft. It's soft. And like, I don't need that. Like I'm good. And if I wanted that, like to your point, we were talking about this earlier, like what most people I think they're, they're good. Like I don't need that. If things go terribly wrong and there's a problem, you have a hard time with something. Now it's impacting your relationship. Then you go to therapy. Yeah. There's a problem. And now you go there and that's the fix. Right. The,
00:25:19
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kind of like I guess you know kids in school like you're in class it's like fine you're not going to be proactive necessarily and like like look at you know keeping up with like understanding the math it's like you failed the test
00:25:36
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Now we have a problem. You're going to go. You're going to get a tutor. We're going to fix the problem, but the proactive nature of like, well, what about just getting a tutor or doing some work before then? It's like, well, does that mean you're, you're not smart enough that you're struggling? Like there is that sort of, um, yeah, that that's kind of, I think sometimes with the personal development stuff, it's, it just feels some people feel like it's, um, an indicator that there's a problem.
00:26:05
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Right. Like fixing something and improving something are completely different. Right. You fix something that's broken, you improve something to make it better.
00:26:22
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Yet I think that we often view personal development ourselves, whatever, as like from a fixing type thing. And, um, you know, that's something that I personally have been around a lot of with like, sure, we all have our struggles and we all have our, our things, but we also like, then there's a lot of people.
00:26:46
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that don't have any big issue going on. It's like, no, I don't have any kind of, there's really not that much trauma or I'm not really struggling. Life is good.
00:26:58
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I want to get, I want to improve. I want to learn about myself. Yeah. I want to learn. I want to improve. I want to be curious about what else I can do, or can I get to know myself more? And you know, I think those people are, are few and far between. Um, and generally what's populated is.
00:27:19
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I don't need that. I'll put it off. Cause it's not a flashing red light in front of your face saying, no, now you need it. Like, and that's, I guess the thing, like wanting to improve versus needing to fix something is, is, is totally different. And that's kind of one of the, um, you know, that's something I feel strongly about. I was like looking at that as.
00:27:45
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you know, something that you can, you know, that's like someone coming to the gym. It doesn't, they might not have the need to lose weight or to like get stronger by some X amount. There doesn't need to be that, but like learning about themselves, their body, connecting, being healthy. Like there's a lot of that. It's the same thing. It's just cultivating like,
00:28:16
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just more quality with yourself physically emotionally. Right. Um, yeah. And I think that the problem is, you know, things are always changing. And so where people run into an issue is maybe things are good. Everything's great, but you know, life has its challenges. And then when something comes up that wasn't there previously, that's where people get thrown off course. Cause maybe they haven't done the exploring, the investigating, they don't,
00:28:43
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And, and now there's a problem versus, you know, because life isn't linear. It's not stagnant. It's not like, well, this is how it is and everything's going to be good. I mean, there's a million things that could happen that you're maybe not quote unquote prepared for. So trying to, uh, like, and same thing using that metaphor, like you might be physically okay. Now, like the, the CrossFit sickness, wellness continuum, I think it's a great way. So people hover right in that sort of very.
00:29:14
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dangerous line of like, well, I'm okay now, but you don't know, predict that you could get sick. You could fall off a curb. Now you've broken your ankle. Now you have no buffer and you're down in the, you never recover from it versus creating that buffer, building a little bit of a stronger body, being healthier so that if something does unexpectedly happen, you're not going right down to the depth. So I think that's the same with personal development. Like that's the ideas.
00:29:44
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Yeah. Not being on that teetering edge of just like, well, I'm hanging on now. Right. And that's, that's, that's like a major thing for, and, and only the individual can know that and answer that. So that is essentially, um, what between the ears, that that's the idea with between the ears, with the practice, with events, with the seminars, like giving people an opportunity to,
00:30:15
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not because they're broken. I mean, some people might be coming to it in the middle of something that they're struggling with, but a lot of people, most people that do it, I would say it's just normal life. Like I want to be better equipped to lead a fuller life. I mean, your definition of like what we were talking about this yesterday, what between the years is. What did I say it was?
00:30:42
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No, like not it wasn't a leading a fuller life, but yeah, it's it's it's Really like the pursuit to live a fully engaged life and that and that's an active participant Yeah, that's totally person
Understanding Self and Personal Development
00:30:55
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in person. Yeah, and that's like one of the biggest things that I guess I want to be clear about in things is like I'm not gonna this is not between the ears is not think like me
00:31:09
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And I'm surprised you don't have a wise ass remark after that, but, um, it's not think like me. It's not, I've got the answers. Here's the cheat codes. It's it. And if that's what you're looking for, then you're going to be sorely disappointed. Um, because that's, that's not my thing. And I think I've, I don't know if we talked about this, but you know, I had somebody, a high profile person reach out and said that they wanted to learn how to think like me. And it's like, I cannot help you.
00:31:37
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You should have just had them call me. I'd be like, you do not want that. Right. But it's like, that's not what I do. I can't that and nor is that what you need. Right. And that's what's amazing about sort of the that parallel of like the movement this weekend, your movement and my movement.
00:31:57
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coming in and be like, well, I just want to like move like you. That is impossible because I'm not you and we have two different bodies. So understanding that landscape of like, as a coach, like I can't tell you what you're feeling. No, but guiding you to understanding better, like how to like ask those questions. Like, are you feeling this? Are you feeling that? How about moving like this? That's what you're doing for, you know,
00:32:22
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people for the personal developments. Yeah. And I don't want you to think like me. I want you to think like you. Right. And I want you to understand how you think or why you think or some, some, some challenges with it. Like that's the whole thing. And it's not just thinking. Sure. It's not just a think harder, right? Squeeze your eyes together and you know, think harder. Like no, um,
00:32:48
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It's open your eyes and be aware of, yes, your thoughts, yes, your emotions, your feelings, your actions, but in a more fluid type way that is also something that you can do in your everyday life, not just, you know, take the event or take the seminar because I think that that's, and that's kind of where we're at now with, okay, we took this seminar.
00:33:11
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We took this week-long immersive course, which had a ton of value, which is still marinating and like it's gonna take some time. And now what? And now what's the follow through? Where do we go from here to keep it alive, to improve on it? And I think we both know we've had experiences where you come out of a seminar, a weekend, an event, and you're like, I'm gonna change everything.
00:33:39
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Like I need to change everything like oh my God. But that's not really realistic. Nor is it probably a good idea to do that that I that that I get that I fall into that. Yeah, I think it's like overwhelming because it does.
00:33:54
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It's natural to start questioning some things, but not feeling like there's this desperation to like, like you've been doing okay so far. The wheels are not coming off the whatever. What's the expression? Just off something. The wheels aren't coming off. So like, you just need to calm down and then think about like, okay, what's one
00:34:22
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step to apply. And I think that's kind of where we're at. And that's really how to explore any kind of seminar, like coming away and be like, what were the, what are some things I can implement now that would make sense? And what are, what is a direction I kind of want to get to? But certainly not. I think it is a challenge for people. It becomes an all or nothing. Well, if I can't like change all this on Monday,
00:34:50
Speaker
Then like, you know, are you going to Monday gone home by Friday? It's just, and you've talked about that. Like, unfortunately that feeling people get after an event. Yeah. It's like, I'm never going to forget this. I'm never gonna like.
00:35:03
Speaker
you know, whatever. And you do, it fades. That's normal. So how to start to slowly sort of integrate or capture something. That's to where looking at the application versus acquisition archetypes, like the hoarder would take this seminar.
00:35:25
Speaker
Take another one. Take another one. Until they know how to implement 100% of it, they're not going to implement anything. They're just going to gather information. Yeah, it's just going to be like, oh, onto the next. Which is a little bit of how you are.
00:35:36
Speaker
Yes, and some in some things like if it's not 100% 100% solution, you're hesitant to start. I struggle with the 80% solution type thing. Yeah, I want Yeah, and that's been a huge thing for me to work on my own awareness of it. And I know it's working against me in some things. You know, and that's just
00:36:02
Speaker
You got to be aware of that and then also got to be like, okay, well, like I'm aware of it. So what, what do I do now? Well, I'm going to put this up maybe before I'm, I feel ready or, you know, we're going to action more. Um, the old guard would not even take this seminar. Sure.
00:36:20
Speaker
And there's a lot of those who it's like, I know what I know. I want to know what I know. I want what I know to be true to me and I'm not going to even question. So, so that is where I've fallen into a little bit of a trap with in the past. And so I guess what's interesting about that, if I think about it is like,
00:36:44
Speaker
I think sometimes that's a protective mechanism against, well, what if I learn all this stuff and then what? Cause now like, so I could think about it for me a few years ago, like not consciously, but maybe resisting some things.
00:36:59
Speaker
Because once we struggled with this recently, you can't unknow now what you know. So it's a protective mechanism against being in a position where now you've kind of seen a little bit of the light, now you know.
00:37:15
Speaker
And you can't unknow it. And so it's going to force you to have to start acting. And then what, like, what happens if it sort of starts to question some of the things you've been doing? Cause now you have to face that. So I think that also going back to the personal development stuff, there's a little bit of people keeping their guard up like, well, I don't know if I want to start uncovering this stuff because then what now I'm exposing this shit. And it's like, you know, they talked about some of the emotional mapping, like the physical connection with where you might store things in the body, which
00:37:45
Speaker
is not new, is not hippy dippy. There's like actual and people that have had experiences that shared them at the seminar, who work with people with their bodies. But like, you know, they talked about being really, you have to really know what you're doing and be careful because once you expose that, you know, people, people bury things very deeply to the point where they don't even remember them. If we have the ability to do that,
00:38:12
Speaker
Right. Then surely like it's realistic to think that like people are going to avoid a little bit
00:38:17
Speaker
consciously or subconsciously, the personal development stuff, because once you open that box, you can't really shut it again. Right. So I think that is sometimes part of the old guard. Like, I don't know that I do want to know anything new because now I'm going to have to, it might have to have me rework all the stuff that I've gotten in such a nice clean order and it's going to mess all that stuff up. So.
00:38:45
Speaker
Yeah. So I think it's funny that we both came to it from those sides. And I think that's helpful for us then to look at like, okay, let's bring it into the student side. Like, how can we kind of come to the middle apply some, but still know there's a lot we still have to learn. Yeah. Yeah. So the between the ears seminar, how do you see that? Like, not to say like everything you're going to do there, but like, how did this weekend for you,
00:39:14
Speaker
translate into like, I mean, I think it definitely fired up even more to for your own seminar. But like, what are you thinking? Yeah, like, just what about the seminar? What do you think people? How do you see that?
00:39:31
Speaker
Well, I guess I kind of think it makes sense to say like, why a seminar? Because it's the, it's a new format and it's a totally different event.
Seminars and Real-life Applications
00:39:41
Speaker
And I put this in an email out to folks. The events were great. Like are great. Like when you say events, just for people that maybe don't know, like that was you show up at an X amount of time, the engagements, the evolutions, it's the workout. It's either like,
00:39:59
Speaker
short, medium or long event. Yeah, undisclosed what's going to happen. Yeah, there's usually some physical. There's always there's, there's physical involvement to the degree and the length, it's different. Yeah. And that's like, it's an experience in that way. So those are the events you've had.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yes. Okay. The practice is a online thing. You do it on your own. There's a community, there's some guidance and. It's a weekly sort of. It's a weekly program course basically that you're going to go through. Right. Um, but you're going to kind of be doing it on your own. Satellite. Although a shared experience. Yeah. So why the seminar?
00:40:38
Speaker
So the seminar, because I think, I think that the events provided a very, very intense experience, a very emotional experience for most, um, and really churned up some, some stuff with people. And it could be all over the place, like all over the place.
00:41:05
Speaker
But they're lacked substance and follow through and context of it to be like, let's dig into this. You mean one kind of like, OK, so something comes up for me and then sort of it's over and I'm going to go home? I just slap you on the ass and say, see you later. And it's like, what the fuck? And also understanding for most people,
00:41:31
Speaker
Like how, why did that even happen? Like we were doing this physical thing. What just happened? Right. And why do I feel like this? Right. And so I think that guiding people through an experience like that is, is awesome. And like I've, it's been exhausting on my end too, because like every second of that thing, my mind is going a million miles down, I'm thinking 20 steps ahead and like all of that.
00:41:59
Speaker
But I don't. I think it falls short in terms of arming and equipping people with education concepts, tools, resources and and like facilitating a better success rate for the follow through. And that's kind of like like I'm like I'm a teacher, I suppose, not saying I have all the answers at all.
00:42:30
Speaker
But I know what I'm teaching is very, it can be very helpful for folks. And I think that the events, the format of the events just don't provide for a little bit more of a casual, intimate environment. Yeah.
00:42:48
Speaker
Because the nature of the events and also because of the role that I have to assume and And be when needing events, there's people that I know very very well that do them There's people that I've literally never met before sure so There has to be a little bit of that difference. So the events have been have been great. I've been awesome but the methodology I think that's
00:43:17
Speaker
it is important for people to understand, to move forward. Like a little bit of like, I had this experience, but I kind of want to understand a little more why, like the difference of like going to, you know, people that go to a CrossFit workout are like, wow, this was awesome. I got this whole experience. I've never experienced that before. And back in the day, people who weren't coaches would go to the level one seminar, not because they want to coach people,
00:43:46
Speaker
But because they wanted to understand a little more about like, well, why? Why is this? And being armed with that as well as having the experience, I think that's only going to help people in their process moving forward. Right. And that's the whole thing, like.
00:44:03
Speaker
teaching a little bit, teaching more. I don't teach principles of between the ears at events. Immersion is the only one I kind of tested that out on. And I thought that was, and from what folks said, like that was super valuable. So immersion was a weekend. Yeah. Small groups, six people. Yeah. Um,
00:44:25
Speaker
And so it did have like talk about like an intimate setting, but it really did have kind of the structure of a seminar a little bit more intimate a little bit. You know, it had like the probably a little more on the event side feeling of the event side because there was
00:44:43
Speaker
It was off-site. Yes. But that really was, yeah, why? And here's some tools to take with you, and then have the experience. Yeah. So it kind of went back and forth. Yeah. And that was awesome. I just like, I just, I can't. Yeah, the logistics of that. The logistics of that, and I'll have one maybe in the spring next year. And it's limited, because obviously when you go away, the cost is higher. There's a commitment.
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just saying for the participant side, like, it's not that there shouldn't be like, there's different love, there's different, there's no right or wrong for people. Right. But that immersion, when you're going to leave, you're going to go away for the weekend. It's not as accessible to people because you have to be, you have to go away for an entire weekend. And the cost is higher. Yeah, for sure. And that's all part of it. So being able to take that and bring it back
00:45:40
Speaker
in an accessible form that's a day that's in proximity. You don't have to rearrange your entire life and put your family in a position. And that's the thing too with the events in the past. The events have been overnight. At night. The earliest we've started or the earliest we've met has been like 8 p.m. That's just not realistic for so many people. And then it's like on the shorter end we're finishing up around, I don't know, like just after midnight.
00:46:09
Speaker
There's definitely some cat, like some spillage as a result of the event on the longer end. We're going from.
00:46:17
Speaker
Yeah, people roll into their house at 10 a.m. And now they gotta do their day. Right. And so it's kind of like, man, I don't really like that. And again, not accessible. And I understand I have a bit of a branding problem with like, oh, between years is crazy. And, you know, we're going to like do some some crazy stuff. And it's like, well, it's not. And, you know, I've sort of.
00:46:41
Speaker
don't think though I think what's interesting about that and I don't think it's a wrong or like oh man like that was a wrong turn some of it is some of it has lent itself to that experience so like being an overnight thing
00:47:01
Speaker
that commitment like I don't think it was wrong but you're just moving in a direction now that it's you're trying to help people and the education is like it doesn't have to be that and there's value and it doesn't have to be like all dark like nobody knows what it is and it doesn't have to have that sort of the unknown is important but it doesn't have to be in such a the funny thing about the unknown too is like I don't control the unknown necessarily
00:47:30
Speaker
The unknown exists within everyone's mind. And everything is unknown, like really everything is. And so now how we approach that and how we sort of navigate through that and how we try to either make everything go from unknown to known, yeah, that's like, okay, that's a different conversation. But the seminar,
00:47:57
Speaker
What I have also found is like there are underlying themes that have been incredibly successful for people that people have had incredible success with. I've obviously been working through like, all right, like there are these principles or are these ethos or are these general guidelines that are unique to each person in application, but common to all in terms of the, the theme.
00:48:25
Speaker
Sure. And that's, those are kind of the methodology. Those are, that's kind of like the methodology, if you will. Yeah. And that's sort of the seminars, a little bit of like that and then experience it. Right. And how to really execute it and engage in it in real life, because showing up for an evolution. Yeah.
00:48:50
Speaker
I'm sorry, it's not real life. Yeah, it's contrived. It's contrived. And yes, it is very real and very real things occur there.
00:48:58
Speaker
But it's almost so extreme that it's like, well. It's hard for people to make the connection then about like, well, how do I take what I experienced there and apply it to Tuesday when at work there's a crisis? Yeah. And I think people have had like, and I know this, like people have had success with that. Sure. I think there can be a better education element to it. Right. And make it way more accessible.
00:49:27
Speaker
way less, um, like detrimental to life in terms of just what you have to give up and sacrifice because sleep. Yeah. Like a night's sleep, kids, family, this and that scalability as well, scalability, a lot more scalability at the seminar. So for just so people understand better, I mean, just to put it out there, like the seminar is like,
00:49:54
Speaker
There's no, people should feel like no matter what fitness level, where they're at on any spectrum, it is literally open to anybody can take this course. It's not because just to make sure that you're, we're like making, striking any of the assumptions of people being like, well, I hear it's crazy things. Even the movement pieces, the experience pieces,
00:50:22
Speaker
anyone could participate in them. There's not some, it's not going to be like that destructive or like I have to be at a certain level or it's only for really good athletes or like it's really, there is an experience piece, but it's very approachable to anybody. Anybody could take this. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so there'll be some, there'll be some lectures and some presentations. There will be,
00:50:48
Speaker
Experience based parts work work out movement kind of deal There will be kind of like a
00:51:02
Speaker
kind of like practical exercises in terms of not just the workout or not just the lecture, but like, okay, now, like, cause we can all. Like a tool, like this is a tool. Yeah. Like a tool. Uh, but like, but also like, okay, now work on it right now. Don't put it, don't write it down in your notebook and put it back in your bag and give me the nod and be like, yeah, right on. I'm going to do this on Monday. Cause like you're not, and that's not to say you're a bad person, but like you're here to work on it now.
00:51:28
Speaker
Right. And so really having that be something that, um, the whole purpose of it is to facilitate follow through. Yeah. So that Monday morning and equip and empower people and have that follow through really be something that they can drive home and, and action and execute. Um, and so that's where,
00:51:53
Speaker
That's where it's going to, it's going to be much more casual. It's going to be during the day, start at nine and around six ish, you know, it's going to be during the day. Um, yeah, it's going to be very normal and don't expect to not have to work. Don't even bother signing up if you're not going to be open and honest with yourself, don't waste my time. Don't waste other people's time. Like don't even bother. Um,
00:52:16
Speaker
you really shouldn't be coming there. If all you're looking for is like a workout, then just go do it. No. Yeah. And that's part of the thing too. When people sign up, it's like, look, you know, why, what are you looking for? And if you're looking to do the world's hardest workout, um, I'll refund you because it's not signing up for a training session and you'll.
00:52:33
Speaker
Yeah. If you want a hard, if you want the world's hardest workout, nothing wrong with that, but speak to me when I want it. I can, and I can make you say, yeah, I think that's interesting. Like I just put up today more information about like, so that women's, I'm doing like a six week women's program. Yeah. And as I was writing it, it's like, there's that like catchphrase, like the six week challenge. And we talked about it at the coaches, we kind of like someone who comes in, who's like, I want to lose a lot of weight.
00:53:00
Speaker
I'm like, all right, it's going to be two years. Yeah. And if they're kind of like, well, no, like, no, I need it in like six weeks. It's like, all right, well then yeah, there's a lot of ways to do that. Yeah. But that's not our approach. Same thing with what you're saying, kind of the women's thing, like it's not the, the linchpin to the women's program. Isn't a bunch of workouts. I can coach people and put people through workouts. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:26
Speaker
That's not the impact. That's not the actual change that's happening in people to then have them be able to, in a year from now, be doing workouts because it's important to them because now they have a good relationship with themselves. So if people are just looking for those immediate, it started at this time and it ended at this time and then I went, then that was it. That's not this. That's not what we're doing. We're talking about
00:53:54
Speaker
really like reworking the inner workings of the workout as the expression.
00:54:02
Speaker
Yeah. And like we, what did we do? Like we, you know, worked on ourselves, got to, you know, have an experience and learn about some things going on and put ourselves in a position to obtain coaching and to be provided something objective like that. It's not on you. And we just so happened to do some workouts as well. Yeah.
00:54:24
Speaker
Yeah and that was a cool and that and that is a really important expression but it's not the that's not the foundation it's it's it's one expression yeah yeah so I think I'm excited for what's cool is like these were things that we had planned we were doing and then I think the weekend was like a cool way to
00:54:48
Speaker
make some connections and get more ideas, more excited, have an experience for ourselves that only lends itself to like, you can't be a leader or leading things or helping people if you're not doing any of that work yourself. And so that was like, for me this weekend was, and that's that normalizing, like you don't, I'm not, you know, I'm not without my own struggles. So for me, what's powerful with like working with women is like,
00:55:18
Speaker
If I was just had it all figured out, I don't think that would be really helpful for other women. How can they really relate to that? But having explored and done that work and then bringing that work to other people is really cool. So yeah, without a doubt, it's pretty cool.
00:55:33
Speaker
Yes, I'm really excited. And with the gym, just kind of continuing to, you know, our primary thing with the gym is like, we really care about the people there. We want to, most people come to us to feel good, to be healthy, to like,
00:55:54
Speaker
experience something positive, generally speaking. Yeah. And that's it irrelevant of the tools, the implements, how we get there. That's always the direction we're moving. Um, the gym is an expression of that, just like, you know, our other things. So yeah. And that's one of the things, and I've actually had a couple of people paying me and say, Hey, I don't live by Motown. Right. But I wish I did.
00:56:25
Speaker
And I would say like, don't, don't throw, like, don't lose hope in that. Don't just settle.
Individual Growth in Fitness Environments
00:56:32
Speaker
Don't say, Oh, but they're like, you can create that environment. You really can. Because on that side, there's people probably that come to the gym.
00:56:42
Speaker
who don't see it for all that. They do just see it. And there's nothing wrong with that. So it's on both sides, but that's just, yeah, it's understanding how to cultivate that for yourself and exploring for yourself and learning. And it is in some ways an opportunity because there's no one to kind of be guiding you. You have to guide yourself. Yeah.
00:57:07
Speaker
Like just, I guess if you don't go to the, if you're not around here, if you're not one of our members, you know, whatever. Like be curious with what you want to get out of your experience. You know, and it's not to say like make it contrived or fabricated or anything, but just like give it some thought.
00:57:25
Speaker
your experience, meaning like your workout. Yeah. Like, yeah. Like what is it that I'm really looking for here? And what's maybe if there are things that are like, well, I don't really like that feeling like, well, what is that? What's contributing to maybe not feeling positive, whatever after your workout. I think that's really the exploration. We're not, we're not providing our members, um,
00:57:50
Speaker
those answers, we're just providing them the ability to explore if they want to. So you can also do that on your own. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that's as a, as a, as a starting point just to be, just to have that curiosity. And there's some people who are definitely further along in it. And, and if, you know, it would be remiss to say like, if you need coaching or guidance or help, that is something that we
00:58:14
Speaker
We do, but you have to first start with yourself. And there's people that are interested in coaching, but they haven't quite done the personal stuff first. And it's like you can get, you'll get more out of coaching.
00:58:33
Speaker
if you've started something within yourself. And I think that curiosity is the driving force with that. So it's like if you want coaching, we can talk, but have that conversation with yourself first. And then we'll be here. So there's no rush, there's no nothing from that regard, but be kind of curious and open your eyes, open your ears, open your heart kind of thing.
00:58:58
Speaker
And so just to kind of wrap up what we have going on, because I feel like now we have a lot more going on, maybe than previously. Sure. Like, but so there's the seminar. Yeah. So it isn't until February. However, we know. Yeah. That like calendars fill up whatever you did send out some info so people are interested in a little more information. Like there's that.
00:59:26
Speaker
Yeah. It's on, um, February, February 8th to eight 20. Um, email me or go to Instagram, click the link. You can sign up. If you don't know how to work on a cutie thing, you have to click the actual date. It's not the best. It's not the best thing, but like, if they have problems though, send me a message. You are starting another practice. You know, people who missed or didn't sign up. The part of it is you can sign up at any time.
00:59:56
Speaker
However, to be part of the group, everybody kind of moving through together where there's a lot of value that's starting in January. Yeah. I'm starting the women's six week.
01:00:07
Speaker
group, not to challenge. Right. In January. So like January 4th, that's the first day we meet. January 3rd is when the practice starts. Look at you. And I did put up some things about that. But if you have questions, there is a link to register. You don't have to be a member of Motown to do it.
01:00:32
Speaker
Yeah. And then the, the coaching just for people to be clear. I mean, you do coaching with people between the ears coaching. There's also, if people are looking for like help with, okay, I live in Texas. I go to this gym. I'd like some help in like what I'm doing. Yeah. You know, I'm kind of reaching a point where maybe the gym isn't
01:00:55
Speaker
whatever's happening at the gym, there may be limited and like where you want to go, but you still want to be part of it. Like we do that individualized coaching. We have a couple of people at the gym doing it at our gym, but then there's certainly, we work with people who don't go to our gym, who need that guidance, still want to be part of classes, but just a little bit more. They want some coaching. They want some guidance. They want to kind of get on board. And that's something you can email us about as well. So,
01:01:22
Speaker
Plenty of plenty of stuff. Lots of ways to get involved. Yeah, for sure. We are going to Amsterdam or the Netherlands to do a little work with the strong fit folks. So there's more about that coming soon. But we will be doing that if anybody wants to come take care of our dogs. They're very, very challenging.
01:01:46
Speaker
animals, as you can tell. Charlie's asleep in the chair. I'm kind of kidding, but not. Well, I mean, if you have the kids are fine. We told them, you know, here's
01:02:00
Speaker
Here's the keys and just take care of yourself. Yeah. They're, they're like, we got it. It's 2019. You can certainly figure it out. Uh, no, but we're kidding about the kids and the docs, but we are not kidding that we are going to the Netherlands. So that is all. That's a lot. I'm excited. And it's Monday. Look at us. It's Monday. Ready to go. I'm going to go do a workout now.
01:02:28
Speaker
What's a good workout that you can, what's a good workout you can give someone that they, that kind of captures what we talked about today in some way. That's simple. I feel like you have a thought already. Well, you answer your own question because this is very leading.
01:02:51
Speaker
Well, I was just thinking of giving people a workout that they can experiment. Okay. And a kind of experience. Sure. Um, so what would you think? To experience what? Yeah, just experience something different. Like, like if, you know, sometimes I think that the fitness industry and the fitness people or, or, or just working out, it's, you're more of an actuary than an athlete and it's always the counting and the numbers and the this and the that. Okay. So what's the workout?
01:03:21
Speaker
Well, I think one thing would be not having data. Yeah. So that's so don't count. Don't set the clock. That would be that would be an element that I think would help you kind of get outside of those that limitation. Probably something that can allow you to like push a little bit.
01:03:44
Speaker
something that can allow you to kind of I mean, I have a very good one that involves a rower. But not everyone maybe has a rower. Okay. I think you know, it's an interesting thing that's kind of along the lines of I think that rowing workout that people could experiment with that's helpful for me or like that I know has been brought up or I've experimented
01:04:08
Speaker
Like whatever you're doing, maybe it would be like a piece of quote unquote cardio, a bike, a rower running kind of like, or if you listen to music, a lot of people listen to music and that's not necessarily right or wrong. Like, like finding your own, like, I think we're all like, well, tell me when to go hard. Tell me when to pull back kind of experimenting a little bit with like, like on the row or if you're listening to music, when it's,
01:04:36
Speaker
the music gets you kind of fired up like go harder and then pull back and then kind of just not because it's a certain time or how long was that song or how long? Well, that was 20 seconds. This was 30 seconds. Just kind of finding like that connection to like pushing and pulling back. And that's kind of an interesting because I feel like you've done that in one of your events. There's a there's a little bit of that. Yeah. And I think there's like a powerful connection and there is with music like it is interesting.
01:05:05
Speaker
Like that can kind of elicit some emotion. Right. So kind of using that as a tool to navigate. Yeah. I think it's easiest to do it with something like a bike or a runner or rowing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So, so like set a clock. Eight songs. Okay.
01:05:27
Speaker
Whatever they are. Eight songs. Eight songs. Doesn't matter. Okay. Make a playlist that only has eight songs. So you're not counting. Wait, was that one or two? Yes. Yes. Set yourself up for success by creating a eight song thing. Cause if you're going to be doing this on your own. Eight songs. Yeah. Row. Okay. If you don't have a rower. Bike. Bike. Hello. You're going to row.
01:05:59
Speaker
And you're going to row until you're good and you'll know when you're good. Okay. The only thing is during, during that, you have to have a noticeable change in pace, your effort. Okay. So you have to have one where you're like, just kind of cruising or, you know, just kind of like going kind of easy. And you have to have one where you push super hard. That's it.
01:06:24
Speaker
That's it. Cool. No, that's not it. Oh, okay. That's for the row piece. Okay. So you're going to row and like, Hey, when you're good and you've had, and you've, you've went from basically not working hard to working as hard as you can. Okay. And you're like, I'm good for that. And it could be, you can do intervals with it for eight songs.
01:06:40
Speaker
No, listen. Okay. There's two movements. Okay. Rowing and burpees. Okay. All right. You're gonna row and you're gonna have that range of... You're gonna hit a different change of pace. You're gonna have a different change of pace. Okay. Once you've hit that. And when you're like, just when you're good, you're like, I've rowed enough. Yeah. I'm good there. You're gonna get off the rower and you're gonna do burpees as fast as you can. Okay. Until you're good. Okay.
01:07:09
Speaker
Then you're gonna get back on the row. And you're gonna go through that. You're gonna go through that for eight songs. Okay. Put the monitor down. Do not let the monitor dictate what's good or not good. So it's gonna- Don't count your burpees. No, don't count your burpees. I like it. Are you gonna do that today? Um... I might. Good. I might.
01:07:38
Speaker
So if you want to do that You can reach out and if that was the most confusing Work, yeah, or if you did understand it and you do it. Let us know how it turned out Yeah, and if you're one of the social media types, then you can go ahead post it take a picture do something maybe maybe tag us or whatever and that would be cool and
01:08:06
Speaker
We'll kind of start there with, with that for the week. And if you guys like workouts, if you want more workouts, if you want that kind of a thing, let us know. We can maybe every, um, cause we obviously are a generally active bit. Uh, maybe, maybe help with that a little bit. Just, I'd like to, you know, give people something. So the puppies are restless now. All right then. Well, we'll, uh, we'll chat with you. We're going to have a good week. This will be out on Thursday. So happy weekend. All right.
01:09:07
Speaker
You did so, buddy.