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The DFS Deli - Season Recap Part 2: Hits, Misses, and Heated NFL Debates
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In this episode of The DFS Deli, we continue our deep dive into the 2024-2025 NFL season, reflecting on what we nailed and where we missed the mark. Join us as we review our picks for NFL Offensive Player of the Year, MVP, and other heated debates that had us on the edge of our seats all season long. Whether it was a surprise breakout star or a team that defied expectations, we dissect the highs and lows that defined the year. Don’t miss out as we serve up the final slice of our season recap!
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Introduction and Technical Difficulties
00:00:01
Sully Shaheed
Oh, didn't see that one coming out of this technical difficulties. We decided to break everything up into nice little chunks and parts.
Offensive Player of the Year Debate
00:00:07
Sully Shaheed
So where we last left off on the two could be to be continued side of the DFS deli, we were converting our topic of conversation and into the offensive player of the year. And again, I thought we were going to have some consensus on this. Maybe, maybe not.
Baker's Behavior and Jamar Chase vs. Saquon Barkley Debate
00:00:22
Sully Shaheed
Why are we flicking off the camera? I don't understand what's going on with Baker today, but he's on one feeling himself. I don't know.
00:00:31
Baker
Cuz that was some bullshit I Feel like they cut off.
00:00:34
Sully Shaheed
I, I don't understand.
00:00:37
Baker
I was in the middle of talking. All right, so hope for it to cut off on me.
00:00:39
Sully Shaheed
yeah
00:00:42
Baker
That's a bullshit Wow
00:00:44
Sully Shaheed
ah I'll clean it up.
00:00:45
Chilly
It knew. It it knew.
00:00:45
Sully Shaheed
Don't worry.
00:00:47
Chilly
It didn't want to hear some, some shit.
00:00:49
Sully Shaheed
Some acid. I take yeah Baker offensive player of the year.
00:00:52
Chilly
It knew.
00:00:55
Baker
what they can only be one.
00:00:58
Sully Shaheed
Who you got?
00:01:00
Baker
There's only one answer to this.
00:01:01
Sully Shaheed
No, there's not.
00:01:03
Baker
There's only one answer. No, because here's the, if either one of you say somebody who does not come out of my mouth, you're wrong.
00:01:04
Sully Shaheed
No, there's not.
00:01:08
Sully Shaheed
No, there's not. Go on.
00:01:09
Baker
Saquon Barkley.
00:01:11
Sully Shaheed
You're wrong. Chill. Who you got?
00:01:15
Chilly
Oh, man, that's a that's a fun race now, because if he would have got the the record, I think it was a lock. But.
00:01:24
Baker
No, it's still him. It's still him.
00:01:25
Sully Shaheed
You're wrong.
00:01:26
Chilly
Jamar Chase is Triple Crown winner.
00:01:31
Sully Shaheed
Bing bong, it's Jamar Chase.
00:01:32
Chilly
That's that's that's going to be a that's going to be a fun one.
00:01:34
Baker
It's not. It's not.
00:01:35
Sully Shaheed
Bing bong, it's Jamar Chase.
00:01:37
Baker
What? Absolutely not. 2,000 yards rushing?
Triple Crown Achievement vs. 2000-Yard Rushers
00:01:41
Sully Shaheed
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Did he lead the league in rushing touchdowns? Nope. Did he lead the league in rushing? I mean, yes, in rushing yards, yes. But triple crown, most yards, most touchdowns, most receptions, Jamar Chase, offensive player of the year.
00:01:58
Baker
It would probably be more impressive if we didn't see this three, four years ago at Cooper Cup. If it had been 27 years, like before Cooper Cup won it when he was off at the play of the year, yeah, it's probably more impressive. But because we just saw it four years ago, it's probably not as impressive. Whereas on the other end, 2,000 yards rushing has happened what? Seven times in NFL history?
00:02:20
Baker
No! It is Saquon fucking Barkley! He backwards! He could've rushed for five yards! He did that! He deserves it!
00:02:29
Chilly
So when did when did Cooper Cupp do the Triple Crown?
00:02:32
Baker
Three years ago?
00:02:35
Chilly
So like 2021 or 2022?
00:02:38
Sully Shaheed
Adam, that was two years ago. That was two.
00:02:42
Chilly
No, because the because the Chiefs won back-to-back Super Bowls, right?
00:02:42
Baker
Two, three years ago.
00:02:47
Chilly
So take them out of the equation. Then was it the Rams?
00:02:50
Baker
Was it, was it the year the Rams won the Super Bowl?
00:02:52
Chilly
Yes. Because he he won everything that year, I think.
00:02:56
Baker
Okay.
00:02:58
Chilly
Because like Derek Henry ran for 2,000 yards in 2020. So we're not that far removed from seeing it.
00:03:05
Baker
Okay. Still a triple crowd winner. This happened more recently than a 2000 yard rusher. That's first and foremost. Second of all, we've only missed like four times in NFL history or not 10, seven times, eight times in NFL history.
00:03:12
Chilly
That's a lot of that.
00:03:19
Baker
All right.
00:03:24
Sully Shaheed
Unfortunately, Baker, you're incorrect on the office of player of the year.
00:03:30
Baker
Hell, the underlining fucking person might actually be Joe Burrow.
00:03:30
Sully Shaheed
So I mean, how often do quarterbacks win office player of the year?
00:03:38
Baker
That might- that might be the actual- that might be the underdog right there, at Joe Burrow.
00:03:42
Sully Shaheed
How often do quarterbacks win office player of the year? does it Doesn't, isn't that normally designated for a position player?
00:03:48
Baker
I mean, MVP is not designated for a quarterback, but quarterbacks always win it. So they always give offensive player of the year to somebody else,
00:03:51
Sully Shaheed
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Quarterbacks for Offensive Player of the Year?
00:03:54
Baker
but everybody says Joe Burroughs numbers.
00:03:54
Sully Shaheed
That's what I'm saying.
00:03:56
Baker
He deserves to win, uh, uh, MVP, but he's not going to. So they might give him all the players like, Oh, here's your, basically.
00:04:04
Sully Shaheed
Your participation trophy.
00:04:04
Chilly
so technical so So technically Baker kind of is going off of because, you know, we have a computer here.
00:04:12
Chilly
So if I take, there's only been five triple crown winners for a wide receiver since 1990.
00:04:20
Chilly
ah Since actually, yeah, 1990. There's only been five that includes Jamar Chase.
00:04:30
Baker
But that's since 1990. We're like, when we take it in the history, okay, so what's the 2000 yard rusher since 1990?
00:04:36
Chilly
Now Baker, now Baker, the one guy has won the triple crown. I mean, the guy won triple crown in 1936 with 34 receptions, 536 yards and eight touchdowns.
00:04:48
Baker
Since the merger of the NFL, cause that's before the NFL was a thing, chill.
00:04:49
Chilly
three yeah The one, ah Baker, the one guy won it one, two, three, four, five, like five, five times.
00:04:58
Baker
in the NFL NFL please look up like starting with the merger of the NFL because you tell me 30s that's before the forward pass yes 30 catches tells me it's before the forward pass
00:05:00
Sully Shaheed
he was yeah
00:05:11
Chilly
Well, apparently not triple crown.
00:05:15
Sully Shaheed
but
00:05:19
Chilly
Imagine like Brandon Marshall once had like twenty two reception in the games with the dude did the whole season.
00:05:26
Sully Shaheed
He's like, well, triple crowds unlock boys. I use one catch a game for the rest of the year.
00:05:35
Sully Shaheed
Imagine dude.
00:05:35
Baker
do Dude like three catches a game.
00:05:37
Chilly
So what was the maker? What was the merger?
00:05:40
Baker
ah In the early 70s if I remember correctly.
00:05:44
Chilly
Okay. So like 1973, OJ Simpson did it with the bills.
00:05:49
Baker
Yes,
Statistics: Pre- and Post-NFL Merger
00:05:50
Baker
that's the NFL.
00:05:50
Chilly
Okay. So for 2000 yards, you've had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Since 1997, you've had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
00:06:05
Chilly
So the 2000 yard rusher has actually occurred more than the triple crown bush seeker.
00:06:11
Sully Shaheed
Baker, Saquon Barkley didn't lead his team in rushing touchdowns. And that's my offensive player of the year.
00:06:17
Baker
That don't mean shit!
00:06:19
Sully Shaheed
What the fuck you mean it don't mean shit?
00:06:19
Baker
That don't mean shit!
00:06:21
Sully Shaheed
What the fuck you mean it don't mean shit? Jamar Chase has another top seven receiver on the other side of the field, and he still beat him in yards,
00:06:39
Sully Shaheed
And that's my offensive player of the fucking year. Get the fuck out of here. Are you serious, my guy?
00:06:44
Baker
ah don't holdda oh Hold on, hold hold my beer that I'm not even drinking.
00:06:48
Sully Shaheed
He's got 2,000 yards.
00:06:49
Chilly
Okay. Okay.
00:06:58
Sully Shaheed
on his own team, let alone the NFL.
00:07:02
Baker
All right,
00:07:02
Sully Shaheed
And that's my offensive player of the year. Go home, Baker.
00:07:07
Baker
are you done yelling? Are you done?
00:07:08
Sully Shaheed
No!
00:07:09
Baker
Are you done yelling?
00:07:11
Sully Shaheed
We ain't even talked about the MVP yet! And I'm mad!
00:07:16
Baker
You and your Christmas pants need to sit the fuck down, right?
00:07:18
Sully Shaheed
I'm still festive! It tis the season, you son of a bitch! But go on, Baker.
00:07:28
Baker
I mean, well, here's the thing about them saying, uh, Jalen hurts leading the fucking, uh, Eagles in rushing touchdowns. There's a reason they tried to outlaw the fucking play these scores. 92% of his fucking touchdowns going to begin with.
00:07:43
Baker
Like, they literally talked about outlawing the reason that this dude has as many rushing touchdowns as he does, because they all come from one yard in, alright? He ain't, like, he ain't scoring from 10 yards out and then some bullshit. It's one bullshit play where he scores all these fucking touchdowns. So don't give me this shit about rushing fucking touchdowns. You're king, you're, you're king.
00:08:07
Baker
Has like fucking nine touchdowns from one yard in you give him you give him half a fucking bug Give sake one half a fucking jail and her just one yard miracle plunges He probably leave the league in fucking Russian touchdowns this year
00:08:21
Sully Shaheed
Chill, you better get them because I'm about to
Player of the Year Predictions
00:08:24
Sully Shaheed
get them. So I'm gonna let you talk, but I'm about to get them. Go ahead, chill.
00:08:27
Chilly
So Baker, so Baker, I feel like the the quarterback thing is irrelevant because James Cook tied for the league, league and touchdowns and the Bills will definitely shove Josh Allen's big ass into the end zone.
00:08:43
Baker
But here's the thing, do they, do they with as much regularity as the Eagles do that bullshit? No the fuck they don't.
00:08:50
Chilly
Yes, yes they do.
00:08:52
Baker
No the fuck, no you shit, both y'all shit y'all fucking mouth. I need to find a stat to shit both y'all to fuck up. Cause there's not a chance in hell to build away torch push as much as the fucking Eagles.
00:08:58
Sully Shaheed
Baker!
00:09:03
Baker
Not a chance.
00:09:03
Sully Shaheed
Baker, you're making it me so mad right now.
00:09:03
Chilly
Don't oh they do they do Oh, yeah Baker I know Baker I don't think you're gonna be wrong Like I don't if you say it's like on wins like I don't think that's the wrong choice I think both candidates are viable
00:09:06
Baker
No, no, absolutely not, no, there's, I'm muting my mic, I'm,
00:09:15
Sully Shaheed
Again.
00:09:26
Sully Shaheed
I mean, at the end of the day, it's a media award, right? Like the media has to decide who is winning it. So unequivocally, if our were sports better, I would be betting on Saquon Barkley. However, I feel that Jamar Chase should probably be the office of player of the year. So like getting back to the other point is that James Cook led this team rushing touchdowns with 15. Josh Allen put another 10 on the ground. Okay.
00:09:54
Sully Shaheed
Saquon again, couldn't get past his own quarterback and Russia says out James Cook didn't have a problem with that Lamar another Russian quarterback. King Henry didn't have a problem with that. Did he? No Saquon did. So I'm just saying that You don't even lead your own team at the running back position in touchdowns. And you can't say that these other guys don't have rushing quarterbacks because they do. Both rushing quarterbacks on the same team have a double digit rushing touchdowns. But the running back of that team has more rushing touchdowns than the quarterback, except say, Kwame Barkley. So get the fuck out of here because he hurt a guy backwards.
00:10:38
Sully Shaheed
I wanted to highlight for the year, completely agree. Again, media award probably says that Saquon will win offensive play of the year because he ain't winning a VP.
MVP Race: Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen
00:10:50
Sully Shaheed
It's not going to happen. But my argument for Jamar chase and chill. I agree with you because it seems we're on the same page.
00:10:59
Sully Shaheed
triple crown winner at receiver. And again, another receiver, a top 10 receiver on his side of the fucking field that he has to deal with as well. It's not one man show like it was with Cooper cup. It was Cooper cup and nobody else who wasn't on that team yet. So like,
00:11:19
Chilly
Oh, dear oh i so I will say Odell was kind of cooking.
00:11:20
Baker
yeah
00:11:26
Chilly
He was.
00:11:26
Baker
14 touchdowns, 14 touchdowns from the Tush push alone from Jalen hurts, 14.
00:11:26
Sully Shaheed
yeah
00:11:34
Baker
14?
00:11:34
Chilly
Hey, man, Jason, hey.
00:11:35
Baker
Josh Allen has 10, which tells me, and I know from watching Josh Allen, not all those motherfucking 10 were Tush bushes. Cause he's making motherfuckers look stupid from 20 yards out.
00:11:43
Chilly
Hey, Jason, Jason Kelsey did tell Saquon, don't get tackled with the one he was warned.
00:11:49
Sully Shaheed
He did let him know.
00:11:50
Baker
Okay. He was warned.
00:11:51
Sully Shaheed
ah yeah Totally right.
00:11:53
Baker
You're right.
Joe Burrow's Award Candidacy
00:11:54
Chilly
Maybe they could just do coke.
00:11:55
Baker
You actually, I actually have a better argument for Joe Burrow to win over Jamar Chase when it comes to fucking offensive player of the year.
00:12:02
Sully Shaheed
but Like I said, man, it's not a your word.
00:12:02
Chilly
Actually, I think Joe Burrow is in another heated award topic.
00:12:07
Baker
No, he's not. He is not in another, no, absolutely not. He's in one debate.
00:12:10
Chilly
Yeah, he is. No, no, he's in.
00:12:12
Baker
Offensive player of the year.
00:12:13
Chilly
No, no, he's in another one.
00:12:14
Baker
Offensive play, no, he is not in another one. His team is done playing football.
00:12:17
Chilly
Yes, yes.
00:12:18
Baker
He could not be in another fucking conversation.
00:12:21
Chilly
Are you thinking of the same topic?
00:12:24
Baker
It doesn't start with an M.
00:12:25
Chilly
No.
00:12:27
Baker
What the fuck are you talking about?
00:12:28
Chilly
Come back player of the year.
00:12:29
Sully Shaheed
Come back player of the year, baby.
00:12:31
Chilly
Him and Sam Darnold.
00:12:33
Baker
He was hurt last year.
00:12:33
Chilly
That's the argument.
00:12:34
Baker
He was hurt last year. No, that that one's easy. and If he's in that conversation, there's no conversation.
00:12:39
Chilly
I mean, it's him and Sam Darnold. I mean, I would vote burrow, but Sam Darnold?
00:12:41
Baker
No, no, there's no conversation there.
00:12:43
Sully Shaheed
Explain
00:12:43
Baker
if that
00:12:48
Chilly
Is Sam Darnold won it? How could you argue?
00:12:51
Baker
Easy. Like, hold on, y'all wanna throw 10 bajillion numbers at me for how fucking Saquon Barkley's not about to win offensive player of the year. But, in the same argument, Joe Burrow's kicking fucking Sam Darnold's ass in every fucking category, but that's what NASA conversation you wanna fucking have?
00:13:08
Baker
Get the fuck outta here!
00:13:08
Chilly
It's it's.
00:13:09
Sully Shaheed
Because first of all, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't, I didn't even comment.
00:13:10
Baker
Both y'all motherfuckers!
00:13:13
Chilly
He didn't say anything.
00:13:14
Baker
Oh, no, you too!
00:13:14
Sully Shaheed
I didn't comment on comeback player of the year.
00:13:15
Baker
No, you too!
00:13:15
Chilly
yes
00:13:16
Baker
Fuck you too, goddammit!
00:13:18
Chilly
Listen, what one team so what what what what helps Sam Darnold is his team is in the playoffs.
00:13:18
Baker
Sick of your shit!
00:13:28
Chilly
So so again, like how much do you weigh?
00:13:30
Sully Shaheed
ah
00:13:30
Chilly
How much do you weigh? So you you obviously had the backstory of Sam Darnold. And then his team being in the playoffs versus Joe Burrow's monster stats.
00:13:43
Baker
If Joe burrows in the conversation for comeback play of the year is Joe burrowing is nobody else
00:13:43
Chilly
I think Burrow wins, but if if Sam Darnold won it, I wouldn't be surprised.
00:13:55
Chilly
Look at his numbers.
00:13:55
Sully Shaheed
His team being that good. His team being that good.
00:13:58
Baker
walk
00:13:58
Chilly
And he literally came back from nothing. It's like Joe Flacco winning last year.
00:14:03
Sully Shaheed
came Coming off the couch.
00:14:06
Chilly
Literally, they took, they took, they literally took Joe Flacco over a man who died.
00:14:07
Sully Shaheed
Messing up messing up my Baker Mayfield ticket.
00:14:15
Chilly
This man died.
00:14:15
Baker
The dude who died did nothing on the actual field.
00:14:19
Chilly
Baker, it doesn't.
00:14:19
Baker
Like that's the thing about his stats, like what he did last year on the field. He did nothing.
00:14:23
Chilly
Baker, Baker, Damar Hamlin is still a candidate for comeback player of the year this year.
00:14:28
Baker
No, he's not.
00:14:28
Sully Shaheed
this year. He sure is.
00:14:30
Baker
How?
00:14:32
Chilly
Ask Vegas, Baker.
00:14:33
Baker
How?
00:14:36
Sully Shaheed
He's got like the fourth highest odds.
00:14:37
Baker
If if Demar Hamlin wins comeback party, I'm done predicting anything ever in my life.
00:14:43
Sully Shaheed
He's got like the fourth highest odds, man.
00:14:43
Chilly
the And then, yeah, he's got the fourth highest odds, third is Dobbins. Dobbins ain't winning, but or honorable mention.
00:14:51
Sully Shaheed
Yeah. I, I, I think it's, I think it's a, I think it's Joe burrow and yeah.
00:14:55
Chilly
I think it's gonna be burrow, but like if they said Sam Darnold, I wouldn't be shocked.
00:15:00
Sully Shaheed
I agree.
00:15:00
Baker
If they say, if they say Sam Darnell, I'm, i'm a hunt they they say same Darnell, but Joe Burrow's not in the conversation.
00:15:00
Sully Shaheed
I would just.
00:15:07
Baker
Cool. If you tell me Sam Darnell and Joe Burrow came in second, fuck off.
00:15:09
Sully Shaheed
No, it's, it's Joe.
00:15:15
Sully Shaheed
It's, it's, it's Joe burrow.
00:15:17
Chilly
It should be burrow.
00:15:17
Sully Shaheed
I, I, it should be burrow.
00:15:18
Baker
But my initial point was Joe Burrow is a bigger, is a better candidate for offensive player of the year than Jamar Chase.
00:15:19
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:15:26
Chilly
I disagree there.
00:15:27
Sully Shaheed
Why?
00:15:29
Chilly
Disagree.
00:15:30
Sully Shaheed
Why?
00:15:32
Baker
Well, you wanna talk about Triple Crown?
00:15:33
Sully Shaheed
Why?
00:15:35
Baker
Well, Joe Burrow leadin' yards, he fuckin' leadin' touchdowns, he leadin' everything else! So, that's the quarterback position! The better, the more important position!
00:15:43
Sully Shaheed
Baker. He had to. He had a bottom defense.
00:15:48
Baker
And Jamar Chase had to!
00:15:48
Sully Shaheed
two defense.
00:15:52
Baker
Well, Jamar Chase had to!
00:15:54
Sully Shaheed
He's just the recipient of being great. ah Dude is a monster.
00:16:01
Baker
Jamar Chase had to because T Higgins was out part of the season with injuries By the way for all this shit about involve this shit for your shit But the top 10 or whatever the fuck you call T Higgins a cross room motherfuckers not even the top 10 and fucking or top 25 and receiving yards fuck out of here
00:16:05
Sully Shaheed
He was part of the season. Absolutely. 100% agree.
00:16:10
Chilly
Listen, if, if, if Seguin Barkley doesn't win the award, Baker, then your anger should shift towards Nick Sirianni.
00:16:19
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:16:28
Chilly
He was hurt.
00:16:28
Sully Shaheed
You just said he was hurt.
00:16:37
Baker
Well, you're the one saying that you are the person telling me that he's a top 20 or 10 or whatever, 15, whatever receiver.
00:16:41
Chilly
so So he still has to catch the ball and run.
00:16:44
Baker
The motherfucker was on a field, so Jamar Chase's stats are inflated, and 95% of his fucking yards gave her one goddamn team!
Wide Receiver Rankings: T Higgins and Others
00:16:53
Chilly
So it's not T again.
00:16:54
Sully Shaheed
Right.
00:16:54
Chilly
And he still has to beat he still has to beat the coverage. Yell at the other teams who didn't just double cover that guy. ah So Baker.
00:17:01
Baker
Dude has like a thousand yards versus the rest of the teams and then fucking a million yards versus the fucking Ravens. He's still running against the goddamn Ravens.
00:17:06
Sully Shaheed
No, he has literally like 500 yards versus the Ravens.
00:17:10
Chilly
So, so Baker, where T Higgins would rank where in regards to number two wide receivers in the league?
00:17:11
Sully Shaheed
Like 500 of his yards.
00:17:20
Baker
Wait, we we ain't talking number twos. We talking about, we talking about that. Like who, I don't give a fuck where he ranks in that kind in that conversation.
00:17:24
Sully Shaheed
um
00:17:24
Chilly
known now No, no, no.
00:17:26
Sully Shaheed
um maybe Maybe two behind Cooper Cup.
00:17:26
Baker
I don't give a flying fuck where he belongs in that conversation.
00:17:33
Chilly
I think he's better than cup as of, as of today, as of today.
00:17:35
Sully Shaheed
Uh, I, ooh.
00:17:43
Baker
Chris God was the one out there, the fuck you talking about?
00:17:46
Chilly
Yeah, okay. Yeah, the whole...
00:17:47
Sully Shaheed
Ah, healthy. went healthy.
00:17:50
Chilly
Right. Um...
00:17:52
Baker
Did y'all forget what the guy was doing to start the season? Mike Evans was the two. Like, let's not forget this shit.
00:17:56
Chilly
No, no, no, no, no. Mike Evans is always the one. If you're a Hall of Famer, you're the one.
00:18:01
Sully Shaheed
No one.
00:18:02
Chilly
um
00:18:02
Sully Shaheed
Right.
00:18:04
Baker
Well, I ain't talking about his whole, if I ain't talking about his full career, I'm talking about this year.
00:18:04
Sully Shaheed
if you
00:18:08
Baker
This year, Mike Evans was the two.
00:18:10
Chilly
Um...
00:18:10
Baker
The fuck you talking about?
00:18:10
Chilly
He was... Mike Evans was still gonna finish as the one.
00:18:14
Baker
No, he was not.
00:18:15
Sully Shaheed
Oh, Mike Evans would have just got opened up more if the guard was out there.
00:18:16
Chilly
Yeah.
00:18:16
Baker
What? What?
00:18:17
Chilly
You can't...
00:18:20
Baker
I implore you. I implore you or anybody watching this banter right now to go back and look at the first fucking month and a half of the season and tell me Mike Evans is going to finish the fucking one.
00:18:29
Chilly
He's still gonna finish us the one.
00:18:33
Baker
Mike Evans got a thousand yards on the last play of the fucking seat regular season. I motherfucker wasn't finishing as a goddamn one.
00:18:39
Sully Shaheed
He was hurt.
00:18:39
Chilly
He was very hurt!
00:18:42
Sully Shaheed
He was hurt.
00:18:42
Baker
And the person you're arguing him verse got hurt The only thing I have to go off is when they were both healthy together Because Chris Godwin got hurt and Mike Evans got hurt right after it wasn't like a huge span of time that it happened between So if I'm going off the time that they're on the field together Chris Godwin was the one this year
00:18:47
Chilly
Yeah, but mike evans mike Mike Evans only gets hurt like once every couple of years. Chris Godwin gets hurt every season.
00:19:03
Chilly
Baker, have you ever?
00:19:03
Sully Shaheed
right
00:19:11
Sully Shaheed
Well, regardless, I'm not.
00:19:11
Chilly
You can't say that because we didn't the season didn't finish.
00:19:15
Baker
But I can go off of when we saw them on the field together. Cuz like I said, Chill, there's not a huge span of time in which one was off the field and the other one was still playing.
00:19:18
Chilly
and we're still it's still what a It was still Mike.
00:19:23
Baker
They were on the field together. And then Chris Godwin got hurt. Then Mike Evans got hurt the next week. That's what I'm going off of, Chill.
00:19:28
Chilly
It's still Mike.
00:19:29
Sully Shaheed
Well.
00:19:29
Baker
I'm not going on some bullshit.
00:19:31
Chilly
Mike Evans gets Godwin open. Godwin doesn't get Evans open.
00:19:35
Baker
And hold on, to further my point, when Tom Brady was in Tampa, Chris Godwin was the one.
00:19:38
Chilly
Sorry.
00:19:44
Chilly
He still had Antonio Brown, Gronk, and Mike Evans. Anybody could have been the fucking one.
00:19:47
Sully Shaheed
I think.
00:19:48
Baker
Really? Antonio Brown?
00:19:48
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:19:49
Baker
Part of your argument's Antonio fucking Brown.
00:19:52
Chilly
That season, hold on.
00:19:52
Sully Shaheed
And he had, and he had laid beyond bell.
00:19:52
Baker
You sh- you-
00:19:55
Sully Shaheed
Damn it.
00:19:56
Chilly
That season, that Super Bowl season, Antonio Brown was an excellent wide receiver for that season.
00:19:57
Baker
And letter for net. And letter for net.
00:19:59
Sully Shaheed
And later for that.
00:19:59
Baker
Don't forget to letter for net too.
00:20:00
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:20:01
Baker
The fuck?
00:20:02
Sully Shaheed
That team was good.
00:20:07
Sully Shaheed
He was.
00:20:07
Baker
As he's doing jumping jacks off the fucking field.
00:20:10
Chilly
No, no, no, no, no.
00:20:11
Sully Shaheed
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:20:11
Chilly
You said you you like to look at things in a year. Super Bowl year.
00:20:16
Sully Shaheed
the schoolboy year.
00:20:17
Chilly
The Super Bowl year.
00:20:17
Sully Shaheed
Antonio Brown was good.
00:20:19
Chilly
Antonio Brown was fucking amazing.
00:20:20
Sully Shaheed
He was good. Yeah, he he had a good year.
00:20:22
Chilly
He was a good he was a good soldier out there. That man was in the slot. It was Evans. God went and Antonio Brown in the slot.
00:20:30
Sully Shaheed
Because we were we were contemplating playing him on DFS like a lot because Antonio Brown was getting there like every week and it was obnoxious.
00:20:35
Chilly
I played him a lot.
00:20:40
Chilly
Yeah, so like you can't.
00:20:41
Sully Shaheed
Like absolutely obnoxious.
00:20:43
Chilly
That team's offense is underrated as fuck.
00:20:47
Sully Shaheed
But having said that again, regardless who's the one or two, I'm probably not putting T Higgins above Chris got one or Mike Evans. So Chris guy, I'm sorry. Uh, T Higgins is probably still the second best number two, third best.
00:20:58
Chilly
t T Higgins is top. He's top three. yeah He's top three for sure.
00:21:01
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, for sure.
00:21:02
Chilly
Like, I guess if you want to argue Garrett Wilson or Devontae Adams, whoever you want to consider the one.
00:21:04
Sully Shaheed
Oh, that's another good. That's another good pairing too.
00:21:09
Chilly
like other than that, so it's like, OK, so let's like let's just consider Wilson is the two.
00:21:09
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:21:15
Chilly
Like.
00:21:16
Sully Shaheed
until there, until Devontae Adams isn't there next year.
00:21:19
Chilly
Correct, I mean, who else are you? Who else who else are we looking at here?
00:21:24
Baker
Slim Reaper?
00:21:24
Chilly
Because I'm not going to. I T Higgins is better.
00:21:27
Sully Shaheed
I ah got nothing.
00:21:31
Chilly
I think T Higgins is.
00:21:31
Sully Shaheed
I'm not naming my duos.
00:21:33
Chilly
Now, if you switch them quarterbacks, you could probably make the argument, but T Higgins is better.
00:21:37
Baker
I mean, you you switch them offenses. Devonta Smith is in the conversation.
00:21:43
Chilly
Yeah, but we can't, so.
00:21:43
Sully Shaheed
Oh that yeah, you're Baker. You're right. That is another good one. AJ Brown, Devonta Smith. Oh, that's a good one.
00:21:48
Chilly
But T Higgins.
00:21:48
Baker
Like, switch them quarterbacks. Fuck the quarterback. Switch the offense if we going to talk about switching.
00:21:53
Sully Shaheed
Oh, m thats that's a really, that's a good one.
00:21:53
Chilly
But I would still take T Higgins over Slim.
00:22:00
Chilly
the only yeah i think I think the only one that I think is better than that one is like, how do you rate Jordan Addison?
00:22:04
Sully Shaheed
That's a really good one.
00:22:10
Baker
I'm still going to put T Higgins over Jordan Addison for now.
00:22:11
Sully Shaheed
Oh, o Whoa.
00:22:14
Chilly
Again, it's he's good.
00:22:14
Baker
Jordan Addison's, Jordan Addison's good.
00:22:16
Chilly
It's good.
00:22:17
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, he's good.
00:22:19
Baker
But I'm, and that's the reason I didn't say his name is because I thought of his name.
00:22:23
Chilly
He's good. I mean, like I like I think truthfully, ah although they all play in Chicago, like the Bears guys are intriguing.
00:22:31
Sully Shaheed
Ah, keep it down so old. Fuck him. Are you talking about Roma doomsday and DJ more?
00:22:33
Baker
its It's, it's the bear.
00:22:34
Chilly
Well, which one I would I would think Keenan Allen was the one T.J.
00:22:35
Baker
So fuck him.
00:22:39
Chilly
Moore was the two. The way they were going.
00:22:42
Sully Shaheed
You're not wrong. You're not wrong.
00:22:45
Chilly
But, you know,
00:22:47
Sully Shaheed
Oh my God. Another argument for another day guys.
Playoff Predictions and MVP Race
00:22:50
Sully Shaheed
We weren't, we weren't talking about comeback player of the year, which is going to Joe burrow and we still have freaking games to predict this weekend.
00:22:50
Chilly
it's
00:22:54
Chilly
Joe Burrow.
00:22:59
Sully Shaheed
Can we get back on track? I've already broken his podcast into two different parts for, for reasons.
00:23:04
Chilly
it That was, it was on me.
00:23:04
Baker
It's Joe's fault. It's Joe's fault.
00:23:06
Chilly
It was on me.
00:23:06
Baker
It's Joe's fault.
00:23:08
Chilly
It was on me. It was on me.
00:23:09
Sully Shaheed
I think I think this episode of the deli is better off being digested in multiple parts, because there's a lot.
00:23:09
Chilly
My bad.
00:23:18
Sully Shaheed
There's a lot going on.
00:23:19
Chilly
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy when we actually stay on topic how much information we can actually get out there.
00:23:19
Sully Shaheed
And it's tough to stay on topic around here. It really is.
00:23:29
Sully Shaheed
However,
00:23:29
Chilly
It's sports.
00:23:30
Chilly
sport
00:23:32
Sully Shaheed
Last award we have to give out before we get into these rapid fire playoff predictions. Okay. Rapid fire. Who is the NFL MVP this year?
00:23:42
Baker
There's only two, there's only two acceptable answers, two.
00:23:46
Sully Shaheed
Go on Baker.
00:23:47
Baker
Well one, you're wearing a jersey.
00:23:51
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:23:51
Baker
That answer, that answer, I will allow it. Yes, thank you for showing me your Funko Pop.
00:23:58
Sully Shaheed
Look at him. He's so cute.
00:24:00
Baker
And the glare from your ring light.
00:24:00
Sully Shaheed
We got him.
00:24:03
Sully Shaheed
It's gonna be a Super Bowl ring. Instead of a light ring, it's gonna be a Super Bowl ring right on his hand.
00:24:06
Baker
Probably not, but that's cool. The, ah
00:24:08
Sully Shaheed
You're a hater!
00:24:09
Baker
The only I just said he's in the conversation. I'm not hating the only other acceptable answer.
00:24:14
Sully Shaheed
You probably not. Fuck off.
00:24:16
Baker
There's only one other acceptable answer. His name is Kendrick Lamar Jackson.
00:24:19
Sully Shaheed
Go on, Baker. Go on, Baker.
00:24:22
Baker
Kendrick Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, that's the end of the conversation. You say anybody else, you're like, you know, it's two people.
00:24:31
Sully Shaheed
wrong
00:24:33
Baker
Will you get your fucking pop at the goddamn camera?
00:24:33
Sully Shaheed
wrong.
00:24:38
Sully Shaheed
Sorry about that. When I get on the voodoo Ranger, I get a little crazy. But yeah, you're right. I mean, I agree. Um, I was talking with my buddies on another podcast that they're on no broken legs. My boys, Jimmy and Evan, check them out. Make sure you, uh, you know, give them a listen. I know their podcast going to come out later on this week to give their player predictions, but I did have the conversation before the betting market set before last week. I said if Jared golf has a blow up game against Minnesota could.
00:25:10
Sully Shaheed
he feasibly get in the conversation because he was plus 20,000 to win MVP. And I was like, is that worth 25 bucks to just throw that on there? And then they were saying like, yes and no, because like it, the it comes down to two things. And Baker, I a hundred percent agree with you. It's two guys. It's Baker. I'm sorry, Baker. It's Lamar and Josh. If you are team watch the tape,
00:25:38
Sully Shaheed
It's Josh Allen. If your team look at the stats, it's Lamar Jackson and it depends on which side of the voting, you know, the media falls on. So again, like chill alluded to earlier in probably part one of this episode now is that, or, or maybe we were talking about it offline is that the most memorable play of the year. In my opinion, there were several, you know, say quads backwards hurdle. Uh, so one had to catch it in there, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:26:06
Sully Shaheed
but It was Josh Allen's run against the Chiefs. And then you look at another game in the snow. It was Josh Allen throwing and receiving a touchdown on the same play. Again, if your team watch the tape.
00:26:22
Sully Shaheed
Josh Allen's your MVP. And then there's narrative involved with that as well. It's, is this the year that the bills can get over the hump? This was supposed to be a down year for the bills, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The thing with Lamar is that yes, statistically, he's having the best year of his career and it's not close. However,
00:26:42
Sully Shaheed
The Ravens retooled for this. The Ravens were expected to be good, and they are good. And yet they finished behind the Buffalo Bills in seeding. So depends where you're looking at. So again, my pick, of course, is Josh Allen made that pick in the preseason.
00:27:06
Sully Shaheed
Chill, I wanna know where you stand at. Is it team tape? Is it team numbers? Is it a duplicitous edge of both? Who's taking home the MVP trophy this year?
00:27:17
Chilly
It's going to be Josh Allen. It should be Lamar. It's going to be Josh. It's kind of what I'm predicting. I think it should be Lamar. um But yeah, I mean, Josh Allen, because if Josh Allen doesn't have that played, the Chiefs are 17 to know.
00:27:33
Sully Shaheed
You think they still, you think they don't rest their starters last week, even if they beat the post?
00:27:33
Chilly
That.
00:27:35
Chilly
Oh, no, no, no, because they would have got to buy.
00:27:36
Sully Shaheed
No, they go for the record.
00:27:38
Chilly
Oh, yeah.
00:27:38
Sully Shaheed
All right. thats
00:27:39
Chilly
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like nothing would cement that team more to being 17 to know and the three Pete. That's the greatest season of all time.
00:27:50
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:27:52
Chilly
So like we could thank the Bills for stopping that.
00:27:52
Sully Shaheed
I guess, but you're not there because the bills did win. Yeah.
00:27:56
Chilly
um i mean like it's a yeah I mean, it's probably going to go to Josh. It probably should go to Lamar. There's probably some narrative there with media that they don't want to give it back. He struggled in the playoffs.
00:28:08
Chilly
It would be more intriguing if like Lamar had playoff success. because then I think there would be a stronger case on his side, which there shouldn't be. That argument shouldn't be a thing, but it probably is. Um, I also think like we got to stop limiting these MVP races because like by week, like seven, the only people that anybody would accept for MVP is Lamar and Josh Allen. Like nobody would have flirted with the idea of Barkley. Nobody would have flirted the idea with Darnold or Jared Goff. Like,
00:28:42
Chilly
if Sakewell Barkley would have break broken the record, now what? Because it probably goes to Barkley.
00:28:49
Chilly
Because I think they would have just given it to Barkley to not give it to the other two. They'd be like, oh, well, he broke a record. Like, we give it to him. um But like, I think, I just think, I mean, because like, if you go look at golf stats and Darnold stats, like, they're better than Josh's.
00:28:58
Sully Shaheed
I'm not behind that
00:29:07
Chilly
They don't have the narrative, but they're better. So like I think we have to quit we had to quit like talking about NFL MVP in like week five. I don't know.
00:29:18
Sully Shaheed
I.
00:29:18
Chilly
That's just my opinion. But it's it's a it's it's going to Josh. ah It should go to Lamar, but it's probably going.
00:29:25
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, we all get that that go down the rabbit hole of if you remove X from Y, what happens, right? So like, will the Vikings be the same with JJ McCarthy with Sam Darnold?
00:29:36
Sully Shaheed
Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But are the bills the same with Mitch Trubisky than Josh Allen? Absolutely fucking not. So stop.
00:29:45
Chilly
so
00:29:45
Sully Shaheed
I don't know. Who who is who is who's the backup in Baltimore? why Why can't I put my finger on this?
00:29:52
Baker
Don't know
00:29:55
Sully Shaheed
Cause it's not Huntley anymore. Obviously he's in, he's in a Miami.
00:30:02
Sully Shaheed
like I know this. That's the thing. I know this. Why can't I think of this good name? But again, like, do like does carson wince read this Carson Carson Wentz lead the chiefs to a, to a 16 and one record or 15 and two.
00:30:09
Chilly
So, oh, I got it.
00:30:18
Chilly
No, no.
00:30:19
Sully Shaheed
No. So you can always make the argument for Patrick Mahomes, right?
00:30:22
Chilly
I don't like, I personally don't like that argument. If you take this away from this, I personally, I, because like you can make that argument for anything.
00:30:27
Sully Shaheed
I hate it as well. I hate it as well.
00:30:31
Chilly
Cause like, uh, so it's Josh Johnson, by the way.
00:30:35
Sully Shaheed
Ah, ah.
00:30:37
Chilly
Um, cause like, if you take, uh, Like there's like, I forgot what the stat was, but basically it's like, it's the Kansas City Chiefs. And then like followed behind them is like the Patriots, the Titans and the Giants. I think it's like, so like, again, I mean, I saw Carson Wentz play yesterday.