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Gemini Won 2025... yet ChatGPT's Still Winning the War
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In this AI marketing podcast episode, Dan Sanchez and Travis Sanchez break down the final AI blows of 2025 in the ongoing tech brawl between Google and OpenAI. With ChatGPT and Gemini trading updates and innovations, the brothers share who they think won the year, where each model excels, and how marketers can capitalize on the rapid evolution of image generation and vibe coding.
My Favorite AI Tools
- Tella (AI screen recording app I record all my solo episodes with) - https://danchez.com/tella
- High Level (My all in one marketing platform) - https://danchez.com/highlevel
- Zencastr (Best AI podcast tool) - https://danchez.com/podtools
- n8n (my favorite AI automation tool) - https://danchez.com/n8n
Resources Mentioned
- Flavio from Adamo's viral comparison post - https://x.com/flavioAd/status/2000995149808279930
- Dan's AI family Christmas portrait experiment - https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7406820781365776384/
- ChatGPT image model update - https://openai.com/index/new-chatgpt-images-is-here/
- Google Flash 3.0 model - https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flash/
- 2025 AI poll results - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/digitalmarketingdan_danchez-activity-7407549283681345538-oDmp
Timestamps
- 00:00 - Who won the AI war in 2025?
- 01:18 - ChatGPT’s new 5.2 model and Disney partnership
- 02:02 - Gemini vs ChatGPT image model comparison
- 05:05 - The evolution of image tools into full design assistants
- 08:02 - Using AI to redesign websites from screenshots
- 13:12 - Why Google’s Flash 3.3 model matters for marketers
- 15:00 - The rise of vibe coding and building custom AI tools
- 17:46 - Google's 2025 wins: VO, Nano Banana Pro, and ecosystem strength
- 21:14 - Why ChatGPT still leads: personalization and memory
- 24:24 - Sponsor Highlight: Tella for AI-enhanced video creation
- 25:44 - Everyday AI: Real-world tasks Travis and Dan solved with AI
- 30:47 - AI Poll Results: Who listeners thought won 2025
- 33:04 - Viral Post Breakdown: Times Square image model comparison
- 37:44 - Final thoughts: Why AI competition is a win for everyone
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:05
Dan Sanchez
We are wrapping up 2025. And just like I talked about last week, we needed to see if ChatGPT was going to throw another punch. Because who was going to win 2025?
00:00:16
Dan Sanchez
Everything's been on the line. Google has finally woken up. It has started taking some heavy swings this year.
00:00:21
Travis
grew
00:00:21
Dan Sanchez
And in a lot of ways, it's gotten better than ChatGPT. So what are marketers supposed to do? That's what we're going be covering in today's episode. Welcome back to the AI-driven marketer.
00:00:32
Dan Sanchez
I'm Dan Sanchez, and I'm hosting the show with my brother, Travis Sanchez.
00:00:35
Travis
Come on, right here.
00:00:37
Dan Sanchez
So we try to take the news that is the most helpful for all of you marketers out there, or all you business owners trying to grow your business. Because I know there's a wide variety of people that listen to the show. I've been able to meet a bunch of you in person or on Zoom calls. And I find that like we have everywhere from Fortune 500 CMOs to solopreneurs to small business owners to marketing directors at midsize companies. It like runs the full gamut. So if you are listening, thank you. for your time. I'm glad this has been helpful. And today i want to dive into how are we wrapping up. How are we going to be wrapping up 2025? Like where, what's the status of these two major players and what am I doing about it? Travis, I want to hear your take on it. But first, what happened this week?
00:01:23
Dan Sanchez
We talked about this in the last episode, but chat GPT last week, came out with their new 5.2 model. So it's a little bump in the specs, enough to kind of put them ahead in some places. And they did a whole deal with Disney so that on Sora, their video created creation engine and their social media app, essentially, you can now, not now, but soon, start using Disney characters in it. So that's exciting. Those are some pretty good punches.
00:01:48
Dan Sanchez
And then they teased that they were going to drop something this week. And this week has passed, and now we know what it is. They updated their image model. Not so much that they went from version one to version two. They kind of like, well, it's kind of the same model, but we're going to call it 1.5.
00:02:06
Dan Sanchez
Just because it was so obvious that Google's Nano Banana image model was just way better than what ChatGPT's was.
00:02:06
Travis
Yeah.
00:02:14
Travis
And faster?
00:02:14
Dan Sanchez
So they're like, okay, we're going to punch back, but is it is what they did better than Nano Banana?
00:02:14
Travis
oh Not quite.
00:02:20
Dan Sanchez
Yeah. I did a comparison. I made a Christmas card with my family. I took like a kind of a, it an okay photo for my iPhone, but the lighting was parched just outside. We happened to all be dressed similarly color, color wise.
00:02:32
Travis
was pretty good.
00:02:33
Dan Sanchez
And we took it and i ran it through chat GPT and I ran it through Nana banana. I'm like, make it look like a professional took this. And, um, And,
00:02:41
Dan Sanchez
I thought nano bananas was better. Some people like chat GPTs when I posted it on LinkedIn. So there's a debate right now on who has the better image model. Where would you say it's at?
00:02:51
Travis
you know I'm kind of comparing those images. i will say Gemini, your family looks more like you.
00:02:59
Dan Sanchez
Yes.
00:03:01
Travis
Though the picture looks almost too on the nose, right?
00:03:05
Dan Sanchez
Mm-hmm.
00:03:06
Travis
It feels a little too perfect where the other one...
00:03:06
Dan Sanchez
Yep.
00:03:09
Dan Sanchez
cold like you went to a studio and they proposed you perfectly and said like now hold still everybody smile click it feels like that right which is what the prompt said to do
00:03:12
Travis
Yes, yes.
00:03:16
Travis
Right. But... And the other one... You know, but the other one, Chachapiti did do a good job. It still looks like your family.
00:03:23
Dan Sanchez
chat cheap t is like look i know what you said but but i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna make it i'm gonna give you what you want There is that about Gemini or a chat GPT. It's still a little bit better dealing with the abstract where Gemini is a little bit more literal. Like you have to know what you want and then describe it. And if you know how to describe what you want, it's going to give it to you.
00:03:45
Dan Sanchez
Chat GPT is going to it more intuitively figure out what you want.
00:03:46
Travis
It takes some liberties. And it does pretty good at it, except it's missing your leg, which
00:03:51
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:03:54
Dan Sanchez
You can't tell really till you pay really close attention, but I am missing a leg.
00:03:57
Travis
your leg, your leg could be just propped up, you know, which would be weird.
00:04:02
Dan Sanchez
Uh...
00:04:02
Travis
Cause why would you do that? But anyways, yeah. the
00:04:08
Travis
It's hard to say.
00:04:08
Dan Sanchez
The cool thing is, and this was the thing that I walked away with. This is a photo. I had a friend in there too that's been staying with us. That's why I don't have a family of six, and there are seven people in this image.
00:04:20
Dan Sanchez
That's seven faces, seven sets of clothes to replicate. None of the models couldn't come close to doing that six weeks ago.
00:04:26
Travis
Right.
00:04:30
Dan Sanchez
None of them. Until Nano Banana Pro came out, nobody could deal with six faces. Dude, it struggled with two. This is why i had I haven't had you in the thumbnails because it struggled to get my likeness and your likeness.
00:04:41
Dan Sanchez
And it would cross.
00:04:41
Travis
Right.
00:04:41
Dan Sanchez
It would just screw up on one of them. So I just had me in the thumbnails. But now you're in every thumbnail.
00:04:46
Travis
It would just make me some random black guy.
00:04:46
Dan Sanchez
Every time we have a one.
00:04:49
Travis
was like, oh I don't know when I.
00:04:49
Dan Sanchez
Yeah. But it's good to know, even though it still doesn't quite capture likeness, it's so much closer than what it was that I, I mean, I was obviously using it for thumbnails before, but now the thumbnails are even better.
00:05:01
Dan Sanchez
This is a great tool because I feel like now these image tools are more than just image tools.
00:05:05
Travis
Oh, 100%.
00:05:06
Dan Sanchez
They're essentially full on design tools. It can lay out text. It can lay out color palettes. You are now the art director. AI is now the designer.
00:05:17
Travis
But it's like a really good designer who's hyped up on caffeine and just keeps submitting projects that are not quite... You're like, don't... No.
00:05:28
Travis
No, everything in the text has to be aligned. Not just the top part.
00:05:32
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:05:33
Travis
It's like, oh, it's like perfect.
00:05:34
Dan Sanchez
I
00:05:35
Travis
oh but, but then if you try to be like, can you go back and tweak it? It's like, but oh, like this? And you're like no, not, oh.
00:05:43
Dan Sanchez
and know. I did it last night. This is something I was going to share in the Everyday AI section, but one of the things that I love about these new image models is for interior design. You can take a picture of a wall
00:05:52
Travis
oh Oh.
00:05:53
Dan Sanchez
And I had my mom hold up a paint swatch on the wall that I got from Home Depot, held it up, and I said, hey, take the paint swatch on the wall.
00:05:57
Travis
That's what you sent me.
00:05:59
Dan Sanchez
Because now if it's aligned on the wall, you kind of know how the lighting is going to hit it. So it can take a pretty accurate representation of what that color looks like expanded on the whole wall. The first pass it did, it did beautifully, except at the very bottom of the wall, it looked like a paintbrush had like just taken it down.
00:06:15
Dan Sanchez
You could see the paint strokes, but it was like white for the last foot of the wall. I was like, did you forget to finish the job? like
00:06:23
Travis
You didn't send it to me.
00:06:23
Dan Sanchez
What are you, an 11-year-old who thought you finished and didn't? it That's what my my kids do anyway. I'm like, hey, put away the dishes and then leave a stack of bowls on the counter almost all the way there. But no, you didn't follow through all the way. That's AI sometimes.
00:06:37
Travis
Well, i
00:06:40
Travis
But but what what's like what do you do with that? You just tell it to try and redo it again and again and again. Sometimes I just have to
00:06:44
Dan Sanchez
Yeah, i just said, hey, take the paint down the rest of the way. And then I was like, hey, now put this mirror back on there. And I did a bunch of different things to see. I'm like, okay, and now put some beadboard on this wall. What does that look like? And they all look we're very realistic.
00:06:55
Dan Sanchez
And now I can imagine what that wall looks like because i'm I'm experimenting with some very bright colors. My wife makes my wife really nervous, but it is what it is. Seeing is believing.
00:07:02
Travis
I thought she likes bright colors.
00:07:03
Dan Sanchez
And now you could take a picture of anything in your house and be like, hey, make it more rustic. Hey, make it more of this. And you can do it.
00:07:09
Travis
Wow.
00:07:10
Dan Sanchez
As a marketer, I got to imagine that's fun for like if I owned a store, like if I had a storefront, you could take a picture of the storefront and be like, hey, create a window display that feels wintry and runs with our current campaign of everyday lights or something like that.
00:07:15
Travis
Right.
00:07:23
Dan Sanchez
You could just throw it in there and and it will dream up something.
00:07:24
Travis
Right, right.
00:07:26
Dan Sanchez
And then you could be like, oh, that looks good. We could build that. Yeah.
00:07:29
Travis
Wow, I love that. I've had to... When creating things like that, I still have to lean on it sometimes to write the prompt for me. I'll say this is this is what it looks like. This is what I want it to look like. Write the prompt that an AI you know generative fill can do.
00:07:46
Travis
And it always does better when it writes the prompt versus me trying to figure out what language to use.
00:07:53
Dan Sanchez
You know, I imagine, I haven't tried this yet, but i'm I'm sad that I didn't get to try this before this episode. I'll have to revisit this because I'm going to be digging into this world a lot. I imagine if you took a screenshot of your website, you could be like, okay, like, how could I make this website more whatever you want it to be?
00:08:09
Dan Sanchez
And then it gives a text description of what it would change. And you say like, great, do it. And then it can render a whole website or not a whole website, but a snapshot of what it could look like.
00:08:20
Dan Sanchez
Then you could take that snapshot and run it through something like any of the AI coders and it will build it for you.
00:08:26
Dan Sanchez
That's what I think we can do, or at least it'll get close. Probably can't create the images that it has on there. You'd have to figure out how to extract those, but.
00:08:31
Travis
Or if you already have a web developer, you could just pass that screenshot along and say, I want this.
00:08:34
Dan Sanchez
Mm-hmm.
00:08:35
Travis
This is what my vision is.
00:08:37
Dan Sanchez
Yeah. But we don't marketers now have the ability to design. I wonder, I don't know, you're doing, you do design work with it. For me, it's hard to not know because I came up as a graphic designer.
00:08:49
Dan Sanchez
I know the language. I know how to describe it. I know that I read a whole book on graphic design history.
00:08:51
Travis
Right.
00:08:54
Dan Sanchez
Like I know how to describe what I want for the most part. I'm like, how has it been for you though? You, you pretty, you work your way around and get what you want out of it. Right.
00:09:02
Travis
Yeah. I mean, recently we have something going on where there's an entire campaign. It's a certain feel. It has a lot of imagery. Someone said, Hey, we need a one sheet to send out to all of our volunteers.
00:09:16
Travis
And I would love it to be an image or a designed image if possible. So it was in a big group chat with a bunch of leaders. And someone was like, did you, you know, did you see what they said? They need all this information on a thing. It's the end of the week. How are we going to get this? And I was like,
00:09:31
Travis
Hold.
00:09:32
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:09:33
Travis
So I just used ChatGPT. I was driving. I was literally driving with my kids after getting a car wash. And I was like, here's all the details. Put it in a bullet port point format. I took all that and I said, okay, I need you to put this on a one sheet that I can text out as an image.
00:09:47
Travis
The design quality. Like here's what the design is. Think snowy village, simple colors, red, light blue, and white 2D.
00:09:51
Dan Sanchez
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:55
Travis
It's flat. Everything's flat. So I need you to create a prompt that will create this image with this text.
00:09:56
Dan Sanchez
yeah
00:10:00
Travis
First try. it made nearly exactly what my designer had already created in terms of the imagery for the campaign.
00:10:09
Dan Sanchez
Did you feed it an image ahead of time of what she designed?
00:10:11
Travis
No, no.
00:10:12
Dan Sanchez
oh my gosh.
00:10:12
Travis
Yeah.
00:10:13
Dan Sanchez
ha This word chat GPT is good because it kind of, it's just more intuitive. It knows what you want.
00:10:18
Travis
yeah I'm like it, what it put out. If you saw that hurt her design and what it spit out without any, not seeing it at all. I was like, no way, but it was because I had the right language.
00:10:31
Dan Sanchez
Mm-hmm.
00:10:32
Travis
I had Snowy Village 2D Flat, gave it gave it the colors.
00:10:37
Travis
I even one time I gave it colors. I said, listen, are our the spectrum or range of colors that we use for our branding is is the shade of blue from light to medium to dark. So it's just like all the blues and some white.
00:10:51
Travis
create a 12 page training manual. Here's all the content. I need a 12 page training manual designed, but here's all the written stuff. Just make it bro. With that little bit of, you know, description descriptors for your like branding guide or whatever. It did a great job.
00:11:09
Travis
I was like, Oh, you have to give it a little bit detail. if you're just like, make me a training manual that's designed very well. It's not, you'll get frustrated because it doesn't fit what you're talking about.
00:11:18
Dan Sanchez
No. Yeah.
00:11:21
Travis
You need to give it some minimalistic or right.
00:11:22
Dan Sanchez
Because nobody likes vague direction.
00:11:26
Travis
Neither does chat.
00:11:27
Dan Sanchez
So if you're listening to this,
00:11:28
Travis
Oh, about this too. about this too ChatGBT did better. I was running same prompt. jim This is what I do now when I create images. I go Gemini and ChatGBT. Same prompt, same prompt. Gemini could not could not do it. we're usually Usually Gemini slays at that stuff.
00:11:48
Dan Sanchez
there' is a I'm gonna circle back around to which one I'm gonna be using more in a second, but I have to move on to the second piece of news, which Google, it's funny, because Google, I think Google was like holding this back. They're like, I'm gonna hold this back. We're gonna wait to see what ChatGPT releases, and then we're gonna do this the day after to try to steal some thunder.
00:12:06
Dan Sanchez
And they went literally with that phrase thunder because the day, I think the day, like later in the day after they did the image thing, all the Google account just posted lightning bolts, lightning bolts.
00:12:18
Dan Sanchez
as a tease of what was coming out the next day. And sure enough, they released their flash model 3.3, which people are like, okay, like it's not a thinking model.
00:12:22
Travis
Right.
00:12:27
Dan Sanchez
It's not the best of, but what you don't really know is that Google's flash 2.5 model is one of the most popular models for developers to call on APIs because it's fast.
00:12:38
Dan Sanchez
It works well and it's cheap. It's cheap. which when you're running lots of calls against the API, it adds up for your company. If you're an AI company or you're just calling a lot of these things, 3.0 is so good that it's just a step behind all the frontier thinking models.
00:12:55
Dan Sanchez
And this is their fast, cheap model at like 50 cents, a hundred tokens or something like, or a hundred K tokens or something like that.
00:12:58
Travis
Right.
00:13:02
Dan Sanchez
It's just like stupid cheap. So yeah, that's not going to hit marketers hard because a lot of us, like I don't even use the flash model on Gemini. I just keep it on the thinking model because they're thinking models pretty fast. So I'm like, I don't have to wait long. I just keep it on thinking, which at GPT, I'll swap back and forth between thinking and the,
00:13:20
Dan Sanchez
Uh, they're, they're, they're fast model because sometimes I know they're fast model. We'll get the answer just fine. I don't need it to think about It's an easy answer. It knows, or I already know it knows, but this flash model is going to be a really big deal. And I think it's going to be a big deal because this next year on this show, I'm to be covering a lot more on vibe coding.
00:13:40
Dan Sanchez
I think it's something that all marketers need to start doing. And I think we need to start doing it sometime. It doesn't have to be January, but sometime this year, this needs to be a major school in your tool belt. You do not have to know how to code in order to do this.
00:13:55
Dan Sanchez
but you might have to learn some of the language of code in order to give it better instructions.
00:13:59
Travis
Right.
00:13:59
Dan Sanchez
It's just part of the thing, just like with the image maker. Like you have to learn how to speak the right way in order for you to, you actually have to know what you want as far as a website or a little mini app. I'm actually, somebody else did this recently.
00:14:11
Dan Sanchez
And I'm thinking about doing the same thing, but he's rebuilding his site and all of his client sites and now on Replit instead of using WordPress. I'm like,
00:14:21
Travis
Really?
00:14:23
Dan Sanchez
And this is why the Gemini Flash thing is so important because for all these little mini apps, and maybe you use Replot, maybe you don't, maybe you use your Gemini and just to use something out of the box and or a chat to use Codex or Cloud Code, whatever it is. I think a lot of us are going to start developing the little mini apps. Instead of going and buying it, we're just going to build it ourselves.
00:14:40
Dan Sanchez
And I think it's possible. I'm like, I can imagine taking an RSS feed from my podcast and just automatically creating blogs from the the podcast automatically on the website. But why not just stop with one? Why not make three blog posts for every podcast episode? Take the transcript and write it on the perspective of a CMO, a solopreneur.
00:15:00
Dan Sanchez
And like i have multiple like I said at the beginning of the show, there's multiple different audiences for this Podcast. What if I had an article customized for every single major person listening to this podcast?
00:15:12
Dan Sanchez
Like we took the news and then ChatGPT reoriented it for the freelancer, solopreneur, fortune 500 marketer, midsize marketing director with a team of five. You know, that starts to help.
00:15:25
Travis
Right. Jeez.
00:15:26
Dan Sanchez
You can automate that stuff. You can't find a WordPress plugin to do that. But Repli can probably build it easily. but that's what's going to come. That's going to be awesome. But that 2.5 or that flash three model is going to be a big difference for all of us who want to start dabbling with vibe coding this next year, which is why Google.
00:15:46
Dan Sanchez
So Google swung back was Google had the last punch and chat GPT's last punch. Wasn't that strong to be honest. I think their image model has gotten back up to nano banana. It's like, it's right there, but where are we at now?
00:16:02
Dan Sanchez
It was a freaking dogfight this year. Google finally woke up, started actually taking things seriously. Larry Page, the founder of Google, went back into being full-time and working on AI.
00:16:13
Dan Sanchez
Kind of like for Amazon.
00:16:13
Travis
really
00:16:15
Dan Sanchez
Yeah, this is why Google's waking back up. Somebody told him, I think, went to Larry Page, like, dude, why are you retiring when the most exciting thing in tech of the last century is happening right now?
00:16:26
Dan Sanchez
You're just going to sit on the sidelines and watch? That bugged him. and He got back in the game, and we're now starting to see the fruit of it. Because they're he's not he's he's not he's holding people accountable and pushing the ship forward and they're shipping stuff.
00:16:39
Dan Sanchez
And it's good.
00:16:39
Travis
Right.
00:16:41
Dan Sanchez
So we'll see what they do. Overall,
00:16:42
Travis
Bro, it's hard not to get sleepy and fat and happy when you're number one.
00:16:47
Dan Sanchez
When you're that big.
00:16:48
Travis
I mean, Google's been number one in so many different areas for so long. And then ChatGPT just came across and was like, oh, they might kill them just on search functionality, which is the number one way people are using ChatGPT, right?
00:17:04
Travis
They're just using it as a, they're using it as a,
00:17:05
Dan Sanchez
All the time.
00:17:08
Travis
you know, hyper search engine.
00:17:11
Dan Sanchez
I would say confidently, and this is the title of the podcast, so it's no secret, but I think Google won the year. As far as the stuff they came out with, the the punnches they they they put the punches they hit OpenAI i with, i mean, they were the first to come out with speaking video way ahead of everybody else with VO.
00:17:21
Travis
Right.
00:17:30
Dan Sanchez
They're got one of the best models in the game. They're flashed. They finished strong with a nano banana pro crushing. They have a bunch of side projects, the way it's integrating into their ecosystem, like AI in their Google spreadsheets is now freaking amazing. If you haven't been in there and played around with calling AI and individual cells, or even like I did a podcast, you can go find it. If you're listening to this, just go and find the one about Google sheets.
00:17:53
Dan Sanchez
a couple of weeks ago. But you can do all this stuff with AI and spreadsheets. Now, if you're a big, heavy spreadsheet user, that's going to be a game changer.
00:17:59
Travis
Right.
00:18:01
Dan Sanchez
I go in there every once in a while to build stuff, but it's nice that AI is going to be in there with me. And the fact that you can have one ecosystem and collaborate and share gems, it doesn't have projects yet. I was expecting Google might add that at the end of the year.
00:18:13
Dan Sanchez
So I'm expecting early Q1, they'll probably add that because that would be a game changer.
00:18:17
Travis
Right. Can we, let's talk about how, when they, the fact that they've won the year, when, when was it last where we were going, Oh, cute Gemini.
00:18:29
Travis
Cute. i mean, compared to ChatGBT, it was like the king king. And it was like, oh, we can you could see Meta trying to catch up, Gemini trying to catch up. You hear Amazon is trying to create something in the background.
00:18:39
Travis
Microsoft is trying to get something going. And we're like, oh, these cute little...
00:18:42
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:18:43
Travis
And then all a sudden, Gemini...
00:18:45
Dan Sanchez
Spring of this year, I remember specifically saying on this show of like, who, I was like, who uses Gemini?
00:18:47
Travis
It was this year. Was it like April?
00:18:52
Dan Sanchez
Does anybody use Gemini? I think I've met all of one person that confidently is like, I love Gemini.
00:18:56
Travis
Right.
00:18:58
Dan Sanchez
One. And I said this in spring of this year.
00:19:02
Travis
Right. So I'm like, what? I mean, impressive that, I mean, Google's resources is unbelievable, but the fact that they were able to jump up this quickly, i mean, Grok, Elon was putting a ton of resources in there, but then they just fell off. It was kind of like chat GBT and Grok were the closest players.
00:19:24
Travis
Grok's still not out of the running.
00:19:24
Dan Sanchez
Yeah, I remember we were comparing chat GPT and watching Grok carefully because it looked like they were going to catch up because of the rate of change they were seeing.
00:19:25
Travis
Grok is the probably the third, right?
00:19:30
Travis
Right. Right.
00:19:33
Dan Sanchez
But they're struggling with the image model and the video model. They're like far behind. They caught up in text, but then they're struggling across other parts of the platform. And it's no longer just a game of how strong is your text game.
00:19:46
Dan Sanchez
It's also, it's all these other models of voice and which we don't talk nearly enough about.
00:19:46
Travis
Right. Right.
00:19:52
Travis
Yeah, sound engineering.
00:19:52
Dan Sanchez
Voice is kind of plateaued for a year and a half now.
00:19:54
Travis
Yeah.
00:19:56
Dan Sanchez
But it's going to be a bigger deal than text is. So there's like, there's the text, there's the voice, there's the image, there's the video. And then there's all the collaborative features inside. And then there's the one thing that I think separates ChatGPT above them all.
00:20:10
Dan Sanchez
that to me still means chat GPT is in the wind because this one thing they do well makes it that if I if i had to choose between chat GPT and Gemini right now, I'd pick chat GPT.
00:20:20
Dan Sanchez
if i could If I wasn't allowed to touch anything else for 2026, I'm still committed to chat GPT.
00:20:26
Travis
Wow, that's a big statement.
00:20:29
Dan Sanchez
Now, I'm probably going use both. I'm probably going to be like 70% ChatGPT, 30% Gemini, because there are just some things that just Gemini crushes it on. So I'm going to be using both, especially since I already pay for it because I already pay for the Google Workspace or whatever.
00:20:39
Travis
Right, right.
00:20:43
Dan Sanchez
So it's like, well, it's there. I might as well use it for the things it does well in.
00:20:45
Travis
Right, right.
00:20:48
Dan Sanchez
But the reason why i think ChatGPT is still winning the game, and I didn't realize how important this was until I was using both often, is its personalization.
00:20:57
Travis
Right. Same.
00:20:59
Dan Sanchez
Gemini doesn't even have a field in it that lets you give it custom instructions that gets applied to every chat.
00:21:06
Travis
Isn't that funny? Why did they not move into that?
00:21:07
Dan Sanchez
Which you're like, bro, give me at least one field so that can I can load it with a few basic things that I want to remember over and over again. So no no instruction sets, no memory.
00:21:15
Travis
That memory function too with that.
00:21:18
Dan Sanchez
It can't reference past chats.
00:21:19
Travis
It's so bad.
00:21:21
Dan Sanchez
It says it can.
00:21:21
Travis
Because the fact that I can go chat forever and always remember this about me, and it goes, and you see it go, memory updated?
00:21:25
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:21:27
Travis
God, that's a good feeling.
00:21:29
Dan Sanchez
And it's good. Like at first it was good and then they got better at it.
00:21:31
Travis
It is good. Uh-huh.
00:21:33
Dan Sanchez
And then with the most recent model, the 5.1 and the 5.2, I find it's actively pulling back things that we've talked about before into recent conversations without me even asking for it.
00:21:43
Travis
Right.
00:21:43
Dan Sanchez
And I think that's the thing that makes chat GPT better. It doesn't even have to have the strongest benchmarks right now because it's more personalized to me.
00:21:53
Travis
Right.
00:21:53
Dan Sanchez
And that freaking matters.
00:21:55
Travis
Agreed.
00:21:56
Dan Sanchez
It's just like having a teammate in human relationships. The people you've been working well with over time, you work better and faster with them. Because you've gelled more. And everybody knows that intuitively when you've had a coworker, you've been working hard alongside a while.
00:22:09
Dan Sanchez
You can get that stuff done better and faster with them versus new people. It's kind of like that with ChatGPT. It knows you. You can you can gel. you can It kind of picks up on what you're putting down faster, and it can help you move along more quickly at the rate you need to go. Versus Gemini, you're having to re-explain it every single time.
00:22:23
Dan Sanchez
You're starting fresh. It's more powerful, but it's not as intuitive. It's like Android versus iPhone.
00:22:31
Dan Sanchez
Android phones are powerful, but I find myself second guessing, getting confused in between the interfaces, you know, where the iPhone is just more intuitive and easy to use and nicer.
00:22:41
Travis
Right.
00:22:42
Dan Sanchez
That's how, that's how open AI and Gemini feel to me.
00:22:42
Travis
Right.
00:22:46
Travis
Good analysis. I agree.
00:22:50
Dan Sanchez
You're still, you're still a chat GPT all the way, right?
00:22:53
Travis
I mean, not all the way, but I, I'm like 90, 10. I only go to Gemini when I'm looking for some image creation design need for work or
00:22:59
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:23:05
Travis
I happen to use Gemini because I know Googling the thing about the thing I'm looking for will be better. You know, I mean, it's not close.
00:23:14
Dan Sanchez
Gemini's got some work to do here. I think they used to say content is king. I'm thinking now context is king for the next two years. And Google has the ability to pull on a much larger context because it has all your access to Google Drive and yeah it has a bigger context window. It can actually pull in more information into a single inference call.
00:23:35
Dan Sanchez
But they're not quite tapping into it yet. Right now, ChatGPT is dominating that part. So it makes ChatGPT better.
00:23:40
Travis
Yep. Right. Right.
00:23:42
Dan Sanchez
So I'd say check Google definitely won the battle in 2025, but ChatGPT is still ahead in the war. But their margins are getting smaller, that's for sure, than they were last year.
00:23:48
Travis
right
00:23:51
Dan Sanchez
So let's move on to the sponsor of the week. Usually I talk about high level. Today I want to talk about Tela. Tela. It's a fantastic little software app that I use to record solo videos. If you've ever watched one of my videos on YouTube or on Spotify where I go back and forth and I share my screen has like that little vertical video, it's a Tela video.
00:24:08
Dan Sanchez
I love it because I replaced a loom with it like years ago because it gives you the ability to record your camera and your screen and then deal with which one you want to swap back and forth with afterwards.
00:24:18
Travis
That's cool.
00:24:20
Dan Sanchez
It also has all the AI tools to actually auto edit. I'd just be like, find mistakes. It finds little mistakes, cuts them, and then i just make sure. And they're usually pretty accurate. It cuts down on like maybe 60% of my edit time of all the little mistakes I have to go and edit. It just like chops them all out. And then I have to go and tweak them a little bit, but it just makes it easy. It even has an auto layout button. That's kind of cool. But if you're in the market of trying to get off a loom or finding something better, check out Tela.
00:24:46
Dan Sanchez
Go to danchez.com slash Tela and get a free trial, test it out for yourself. But if you're looking for something where you can record awesome, professional, amazing solo videos that are like screen sharing your screen, presentation, doing a demo, or you want to use it as a replacement for loom You got to try cella. It's much better than Lume these days. Let's move on to everyday ai Moving on to you, bro. What have you been using AI to improve your life these days?
00:25:11
Travis
Well, I already shared the one that I had a one sheet sent out to my team and got that created. Can we just talk maybe not about what I accomplished, but how quickly I did it in about 15 minutes.
00:25:25
Travis
So think about needing, oh, I need to send the text to the designer. The designer has to get it in and plug it in. And maybe they'll hit it first try because they already got the design made.
00:25:31
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:25:32
Travis
But that takes hours, if not days, to get the communication.
00:25:35
Dan Sanchez
Just the back and forth alone. Time.
00:25:37
Travis
so now it's just like so fast, which I so appreciate that time span. And my designer right now is overwhelmed with the amount of work she has to do right now.
00:25:52
Travis
it's like I don't want to put another thing that I need quickly because who wants to she's got projects she's working on.
00:25:55
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:25:57
Travis
It's like, hey, stop everything you're doing get this to me in the next 15 minutes.
00:26:02
Dan Sanchez
Gross.
00:26:02
Travis
No. It's awful. So the fact that I could help and just take something light that's not going to mess up the continuity of the branding for said event. Love that.
00:26:12
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:26:12
Travis
love that
00:26:14
Dan Sanchez
I've been reading a book that's, it's it's pretty accessible. I get it. But there's like deeper meanings behind every chapter. It's C.S. Lewis's science fiction trilogy. And I'm reading the last book and it's pretty heady.
00:26:26
Dan Sanchez
There's some stuff in it. I'm like, wait, why, what's going on? Like, I know what he said, but like, what's actually going on?
00:26:30
Travis
Hmm.
00:26:32
Dan Sanchez
So every time I finish a chapter, I go to chat GPT and be like, okay, tell me what's actually going on in chapter three. And then it gives me like the cliff notes version of chapter three. And it's fun because I can actually have a dialogue with ChatGPT about what C.S. Lewis meant by this or that. And we can actually have a fun conversation. I get way more out of the book. It's the first time I've read a book.
00:26:53
Dan Sanchez
it's It's science fiction, but obviously C.S. Lewis. The guy is very philosophical and has a lot of layered meanings into it and what he's trying to actually communicate. So it's been really fun to actually dive deeper into material as like a Cliff Notes book.
00:27:07
Dan Sanchez
Type substitute but now it's personalized for me because I can dive deeper into it and be like, well, what about this angle? What about that? and We can have a conversation about every single chapter that way.
00:27:16
Travis
You want to hear another one? I was looking through my different recent search histories. There's like, I met this guy who met a Mason, a free Mason, and they have like a secret language. I was using Chad to be T to like, figure out how they talk to each other without knowing, but I won't share that on here because people get weird about that kind of stuff.
00:27:35
Dan Sanchez
You're like, chat GPT, help me decode the secret language of this coal.
00:27:39
Travis
Uh, yeah, that's literally what I was doing. I was like, okay, I don't, I don't know if I shared it last week. Did I share it last week where I talked about creating a one sheet for a game that I played for this Christmas, for a staff Christmas party.
00:27:54
Travis
And I just had Jim and I make like, oh i just was like, I need a Christmas game.
00:27:55
Dan Sanchez
I don't think so.
00:28:00
Travis
i want to see who can list out the most Christmas songs. So just put ultimate Christmas song challenge, design it Christmas themed. And I need listed one to a hundred with lines next to it for a space to write in.
00:28:12
Dan Sanchez
Goodness.
00:28:15
Travis
ChatGPT couldn't even get to 100. It got to like 19 and then hallucinated after that. Gemini got from 1 to 100, but then anywhere between 87 and 100, the numbers were a little bit like mixed up, but it got there.
00:28:28
Travis
The person who won, she's like one of the smartest people on our staff. She wrote 107 Christmas songs all by herself.
00:28:35
Dan Sanchez
goodness
00:28:37
Travis
She's like, she remembers all the numbers to pi, you know? She can go like 100 digits to pi kind of person.
00:28:41
Dan Sanchez
Uh-huh.
00:28:41
Travis
Yeah.
00:28:42
Dan Sanchez
Fantastic memory.
00:28:44
Travis
Anyways. I like designing one sheets, I guess.
00:28:48
Dan Sanchez
Something I use AI all the time for is to find things I don't know how to describe or I can't remember the name of.
00:28:53
Travis
Right.
00:28:54
Dan Sanchez
Google, always a struggle. AI, never a struggle. I was like, hey, I used to use this software that would like track people as they came into coffee shops. And then as soon as they put in their email to like ungate the Wi-Fi, it would like be able to correlate that with every time they had ever been in that coffee shop.
00:29:10
Dan Sanchez
What was that software?
00:29:11
Travis
Wow.
00:29:12
Dan Sanchez
Because I couldn't find it. I couldn't even remember what was called. They're like, oh... You mean this. It used to be called this, but they changed their name and rebanded it back back in 2020.
00:29:20
Travis
wow.
00:29:21
Dan Sanchez
That's why you're having a hard time finding it. But it's most for sure the software. This is exactly what they do. I'm like, huh. Everybody listening to this is like, what? Software can do that? Yes. Yes. yeah Many pieces of software can track your, ear it's called the iMac address on your phone. and You can't change it. It's like having cookies without being able to remove the cookies. Your phone has it and every Wi-Fi can track it.
00:29:42
Dan Sanchez
Sorry. It's just reality of what tech. if you're in California, they have privacy protections against that. But anywhere else, people can track how many times you've been in a store. It's just through Wi-Fi and your phone being on.
00:29:54
Travis
Wow.
00:29:55
Dan Sanchez
Good for marketing. Bad for consumers. Oh, well. But using AI to find things was what I used it for.
00:29:59
Travis
Is it bad? Do you even know? Don't track if I've been in your store.
00:30:04
Dan Sanchez
All right, let's go to the poll of the week where I asked people who they thought was the winner, which AI company won in 2025. And of course, I had all the usual suspects of Anthropic, Claude, Google Gemini, XAI Grok, and OpenAI in chat GPT.
00:30:11
Travis
Hmm.
00:30:19
Dan Sanchez
And the results were as follows. Anthropic scored a 16%. You're like, okay, Google Gemini was the winner, of course, at 48%. XAI Grok had 2%. Good for Grok.
00:30:30
Dan Sanchez
They got on the map.
00:30:30
Travis
Wow. 2%.
00:30:32
Dan Sanchez
OpenAI and ChatGPT, 34%.
00:30:33
Travis
Dang.
00:30:35
Dan Sanchez
So at least for these 166 votes, it was a pretty strong consensus that Google had won the year. Now, I should follow up with this and be like, yeah, but who do you think's ahead and see where people are at with it? Like, which tool are you using?
00:30:51
Dan Sanchez
But I think ChatGPT is still people's primary tool. Kind of like the people that are wrestling with it right now, I feel like a lot of them are still probably siding towards ChatGPT, though more and more are starting to find they like Google better. or i've ever just heard this morning that a friend of mine was saying, you know I think I underestimated Claude.
00:31:08
Dan Sanchez
I'm using Claude more now. It's just better. I'm like, okay. For me, it's still ChatGPT.
00:31:17
Travis
are going to mad that I haven't been really mentioning Anthropic I don't even mention them but they got 16% of the vote which is a big deal
00:31:26
Dan Sanchez
People really like Claude. yeah but And it's funny because I always get someone in the comments. It's like one or two people that are like, what about perplexity? I'm like, ugh, there's always one or two of you. The perplexity people, they never make the list because they don't really have their own AI. They're just an aggregate of all of them.
00:31:45
Dan Sanchez
I'm like, I don't, I use perplexity every once in a while, but it's pretty rare. Claude's pretty good. Claude crushes it on code and writing. This is why I'm working on a book right now and I'm doing it all with Claude.
00:31:56
Dan Sanchez
I've got a subscription to Claude for a month and I'll use it and unsubscribe because I don't need three, I don't need three things to pay for.
00:31:56
Travis
Wow, are you?
00:32:04
Dan Sanchez
I'm already paying for Gemini and ChatGPT.
00:32:04
Travis
Right.
00:32:06
Dan Sanchez
I don't need three.
00:32:06
Travis
Right. And you're paying.
00:32:08
Dan Sanchez
But for this one use case where I'm writing a freaking book, yeah, then it's better it's good it's better to use the model that's the best at writing.
00:32:10
Travis
Sure.
00:32:14
Dan Sanchez
All right, moving on to the viral post. a Great post from Flavio at Adamo.
00:32:21
Travis
Oh yeah, this is great.
00:32:21
Dan Sanchez
don't know. But it was a side-by-side comparison of chat GPT versus Gemini's Nano Banana. It was like two images, very detailed. This is the prompt that he gave to both image models just to do a side-by-side comparison. And it was a highly detailed aerial view of Times Square on New Year's Eve, packed with crowds, glowing billboards, confetti in the air, and a realistic reflections on wet asphalt at night. This is a challenging image to make.
00:32:50
Dan Sanchez
And when you look at them side by side, to me, one looks more realistic and the other one looks more idealistic.
00:32:55
Travis
Oh, 100%. Yes.
00:32:58
Dan Sanchez
That's how I describe them both.
00:33:00
Travis
100%.
00:33:01
Dan Sanchez
How do you how did they hit you?
00:33:04
Travis
I actually didn't know which one was which. I should have known which one was which, but yeah, one of them hits really well. the the yeah Well, it's funny. As I'm looking at the images...
00:33:19
Travis
Okay, I don't know if you know this, but obviously Gemini did a better job with the realism, with the the reflections. it just looks It just looks more real.
00:33:31
Travis
Totally screwed up Times Square. That's not Times Square.
00:33:35
Travis
that is It's not...
00:33:36
Dan Sanchez
Is it just a different angle of Times Square?
00:33:38
Travis
No, it is not just a different angle. That is not how Times Square looks as many times as I've been.
00:33:42
Dan Sanchez
I wouldn't know. I've never been there. I just figured it was looking at a different angle than Chats did.
00:33:44
Travis
Yeah. So no, this is like, it's completely distorted. It has two of that main pillar screens shifted. It's not an L shape. It is just one long corridor. And Gemini nailed it. That's exactly what Times Square looks like.
00:34:00
Travis
Or Chachubiti nailed it in terms of
00:34:00
Dan Sanchez
You mean ChatGPT nailed it?
00:34:04
Travis
what the shape, how does it feel? How does the street widen and narrow in between different places? Like that's exactly what it looks like.
00:34:11
Dan Sanchez
Interesting.
00:34:12
Travis
And Gemini destroyed what, what times square looks like.
00:34:12
Dan Sanchez
oh
00:34:16
Dan Sanchez
So it got the big picture wrong, even though the details look more realistic and real, versus ChatGPTs. On the details, it's kind of fuzzy and almost almost painterly looking.
00:34:26
Dan Sanchez
Even though it's a photo, it has this like blurry kind of like
00:34:26
Travis
Oh, it is, it is. Yeah, that famous taxi New York painting where it's reflecting.
00:34:31
Dan Sanchez
Yeah.
00:34:32
Travis
Yeah.
00:34:33
Dan Sanchez
Uh-huh.
00:34:34
Travis
But...
00:34:34
Dan Sanchez
But it looks like Times Square instantly.
00:34:35
Travis
Yeah. yeah
00:34:36
Dan Sanchez
It's got Happy New Year on the billboard. You're looking straight down at the big pillar where the ball drops. It's got a warmer tone. It looks more celebratory. And the other one, if you saw it by itself, you wouldn't know that that's New Year's Eve.
00:34:49
Dan Sanchez
It could just be a big protest of some kind with a bunch of people on the street because you can't really see the confetti. But in CHPTs, you actually can see the confetti.
00:34:58
Travis
Right.
00:34:59
Dan Sanchez
And it looks like New Year's Eve. got a big stage out in front. Yeah. So I thought it was a clear winner, but now after talking to you about it, I can see how both have their strengths and it's probably more neck and neck than I thought.
00:35:12
Travis
Yeah. At first i was like, oh, well that one's clearly, and then I went, wait a minute, what am I looking at?
00:35:18
Dan Sanchez
Mm-hmm.
00:35:19
Travis
This is not even close.
00:35:21
Travis
Anyways.
00:35:23
Dan Sanchez
So there you have it. Honestly, I'm probably going to be using more. I'm kind of probably going to be using chat GPT for images just because I enjoy using chat GPT more. And every once in a while, I'll probably use nano banana pro just because I like the liberties chat GPT takes with making images.
00:35:41
Travis
Only problems that takes forever.
00:35:43
Dan Sanchez
They sped it up though. It's faster.
00:35:45
Travis
Did they?
00:35:46
Dan Sanchez
They sped it up and you can ask for an image and then ask for a second one while it's rendering. So you can get three. I used to have to open up three tabs in chat GPT and then repaste a prompt to be like, hey, make this, hey, make this, hey, make this.
00:35:58
Travis
So how do you do that? How do you do that? How do you get it to?
00:36:01
Dan Sanchez
That's what I used to have to do. Now, it even tells you if you're making an image because they just updated it this week, it'll be like, hey, do you want to make another image while you're waiting for this one? it It's still slower than Nano Banana, but at least it's four times faster than it was because it was painfully slow before.
00:36:08
Travis
Oh, it does. i haven't seen that.
00:36:15
Dan Sanchez
Now it's faster, not quite as fast as you'd like it to be, but you can at least move on in the conversation or generate more images all at once.
00:36:24
Travis
funny because Gemini would make something in like 20 seconds. Gemini was taking or a chat GPT was taking five minutes. Sometimes painful.
00:36:35
Dan Sanchez
Yeah, painful. painful
00:36:37
Travis
Anyways, man, fat lady hasn't sung yet. Huh?
00:36:42
Dan Sanchez
No, we are still going. I think the best comment that I had on the post when I asked who's winning, they're like, hopefully nobody and everybody. Because the more these guys compete, the better everything everything gets for us.
00:36:50
Travis
Yes, exactly.
00:36:54
Travis
Right, right.
00:36:55
Dan Sanchez
The more OpenAI and ChatGPT continue to stick to their pricing models, don't raise prices, because if they become if anybody gets too far ahead, then they raise prices and nobody all of us consumers who actually use this stuff don't win.
00:37:00
Travis
Right.
00:37:04
Travis
Right.
00:37:06
Dan Sanchez
So please compete it out. And and then we'll we'll reap the rewards.
00:37:09
Travis
Which is concerning when netflix Netflix is buying Warner Brothers and HBO Max. I'm like, oh no, this isn't good.
00:37:16
Dan Sanchez
No.
00:37:18
Travis
It's the same thing.
00:37:18
Dan Sanchez
It's called consolidation happens.
00:37:18
Travis
If all of the AI is one consult, it's like, uh-oh.
00:37:21
Dan Sanchez
Yeah. So may they all continue to win and us continue to win even more from their competition.