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Thu 12th Dec: CROSSOVER - Southampton vs Spurs
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On today's Daily Tottenham, Chris joined the Daily Southampton lads to dive into an in-depth preview of this weekend's highly anticipated Premier League clash between Southampton and Tottenham Hotspur.
Chris shares expert insights on Spurs' recent form, key players to watch, and tactical approaches, while we offer our take on how the Saints can rise to the challenge. Whether you’re a die-hard Southampton supporter, a Spurs fan, or just a football enthusiast, this episode is packed with analysis and predictions you won’t want to miss!
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Introduction and Co-host Welcome
00:00:10
Speaker
hello and welcome to the daily Southampton and today the daily Tottenham podcast from the global sports podcast network my name is Greg and as always I'm joined by my co-host Zach yeah too bad mate I've just come back from a driving lesson so My energy levels are not at the level that they should be for this podcast. We'll give it a go. We'll power through.
Motivation for the Big Match
00:00:31
Speaker
And from our friends over at The Daily Tottenham, I'm joined by Chris. How are you doing, Chris? Not bad, thank you. Not bad. Get motivated because big match coming up might be Being a Saints fan, it's hard to be motivated right now. I'm not going to lie. Well, we're in the same camp. I've seen it dubbed El Sacico 2, which is fine. It's going to be
00:00:54
Speaker
it's going to be a game. So I guess ah let's get straight to it.
Southampton's Rollercoaster Season
00:01:01
Speaker
I guess rollercoaster might from and the outside looking in be a good word to describe the season so far, Chris, or are you feeling a more downs than ups?
00:01:13
Speaker
That's an interesting one. up Yeah, but rollercoaster is definitely the right the right word. Really emotional. I just a precursor on where I was around, etc. I'm a problematic supporter, so I understand ah the the bigger picture, youth coming through, etc, etc. All this stuff that is is is spouted out, but my patience is wearing very thin with the lack of changing ah things during matches and for me. That's just basics, you know, end of the day. And yeah, so
00:01:48
Speaker
The last match, obviously, goes
Game Strategy and Management Frustrations
00:01:50
Speaker
Chelsea. Go and tune it up and then... not doing anything to secure that. And you guys probably will tell me, regards to your manager as well, probably the similar thing. We haven't got the players to play that. We're not being in Madrid. If we are, we've got the best players, then fine. It it works because it's the Brazilian analogy, isn't it? You score one and we score five. But it doesn't work when you're playing top top level with pretty average players. But in the same point, as you alluded to before, this podcast, Zach,
00:02:22
Speaker
We're kind of privileged and in a way we're, we're mid table company. You know, you take that one year Southampton. Of course you would. Oh, I would take a table that V what dream. ah yeah It sounds like it's almost, it's it's funny because obviously you never really know how it is to support another team.
Comparing Management Philosophies
00:02:40
Speaker
And obviously we're, we're both going to be in positions where we can kind and kind of understand, but never really, because you support two completely different clubs.
00:02:48
Speaker
But I guess from like a Tottenham perspective and their history in recent times, this this probably is a bit of a crisis for you guys. But like, it is mad, the analogies that you can pull there between the Saints and Tottenham. Like, if it is Alsakyo, what's that? A manager who refuses to move from their philosophy. He'll be playing a type of football for but for players probably better suited, not, you know, in the squad. It's, yeah, it's it's very, it's mad how similar it is. I'm really worried it's just going to be able to a boring draw at this point. and No one's going to be firing either end. They've moved. They've gone to great effort to move the game to the least convenient time of the weekend for anyone. So they're going on TV. So it's bound to be an absolute classic, I'm sure. Of course. they're right You're right, though. There's a lot of parallels to draw, I guess, between Spurs and Saints. And actually, looking back on the Chelsea game, it must have been pretty heart wrenching, not only to drop a tuner lead, but to go behind to two penalties as well.
Managerial Stubbornness and Its Impact
00:03:48
Speaker
You know, we often hear things referred to as spursy, but I have to say that that was very sainted. The thing is, when you've got a manager who basically is doing his best to get himself out of a job, everything he says, um everything he does, set pieces, defending, attacking, thece set pieces. Now, mate, it is who we are. And and this blatant, but not I'm not going to change.
00:04:17
Speaker
Kind of admired to start off with if you're winning if you're not winning then it comes down to winning and losing and ultimately we're losing and the match against Chelsea Yeah, that was one of those ones where I mean if if If the manager won't change it and those players aren't good enough to do it to do it for full 90 minutes i only do it in spurts and then you know the mistakes that happen because the pursuer and you know penalties given away. It's not great at all, but you kind of see it happening. I kind of tune in like, yeah. <unk> got The guy slipped twice there and I hate SpongeBob playing it for Chelsea. But um yeah, go yeah it's it's not good at all. So not good times.
Investment and Transfer Frustrations
00:05:04
Speaker
And with the rest of the season, if if a change is made and you get someone else in,
00:05:11
Speaker
like you're only six seven points off the top four do you think it's too late to mount a charge for that is that the where's where's a happy place to finish for Spurs this season well you know what's gonna happen we're gonna sort of peter along and you know we should be with respect to you guys we should be Southampton we should do because you're you you're the same as us. We're trying to play at a top table with a certain style, but we have got the players and you're exactly the same. You've come from the championship and then moved into the Premier League without that massive investment. And yeah, for for us, I guess that we'll will we win, possibly, and then we'll do OK in a cup and we'll win a cup and they'll just paper over all the cracks about the rest of the season and they'd be happy because we won something.
00:06:00
Speaker
um Which would be true, I would be happy as well to be honest. So you shouldn't be careful to be careful of what you wish for, I
Critique of Ownership and Management
00:06:07
Speaker
guess, sometimes. But with Levi and, you know...
00:06:12
Speaker
He is, I guess, in the main problem now because we've got a fantastic stadium. As a business model, we work really well and he's done it all because he's a really good businessman. Now it's time for him to go and get a football guy in there who just, well, loves the club and wants to win something and puts the wages behind the players as well. I mean, not signing people on Neto and then you see Neto, fantastic, you know. He really did a great job for us and we're signing It's hard to say average players, but they are for where we we should be and what what we aspire to. You know, if you've got the best stadium, best facilities or one of the best facilities, then you you want the best players there. So why wouldn't you go out and pay that money and get them for the wages in particular? It's frustrating. And, you know, we're we're a bit like we've got Richarlson, all our players get injured. Oh, my God, there's a big list of things I can learn about. But honestly, I'm trying to say positive because of Southampton.
00:07:07
Speaker
Like you said, it should be a cracker match. More likely, it'll be a knee new drawer and And everybody would be shaking their head and thinking, how the hell is that and it won you a new and new draw? How do you feel about Romero coming out and
Player Criticisms and Transfer Rumors
00:07:20
Speaker
slacking off the club? Did you hear about that? Yeah, I saw it switched right away. um And, well, he's right, isn't he? That's what I was waiting for! Fundamentally, he's right. And, you know, you don't know where he's not going to get You know, maybe that's an angle now to get you know, sold ah To rumor to it or whatever it wants to get sold. Although I think they have been sniffing around and another player now as well recently, but yeah, it's You've got to take up a pinch of salt I guess because ultimately they you play lots of players play for their their own career And if there's a bigger move in line, then they set the building bricks up for that already didn't they and it's not their fault and in saying that There hasn't been any
00:08:07
Speaker
news from the players about the manager and there usually is leaks if he's lost the dressing room or players aren't playing for him or believing what he does. They've got to take responsibility themselves but ultimately they're probably not good enough for the system I would say. And that's also mean you know in Scotland championship managers could win in Scotland. They could win that league 100% and i obviously I'm from Plymouth so I almost put Mooney into that mould but I won't.
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Outsider's Perspective on Southampton
00:09:35
Speaker
Ok Chris, I guess I'll slightly hand the reins over to you, and but before we start I guess, how we from the outside looking in, what's your sort of views on how our season's gone so far? Well, um as you can imagine, there are power levels.
00:09:53
Speaker
And the stubbornness there is is is admirable because it obviously worked in the championship for for us. So I think look like looking out outside to Southampton, I mean, they've, i watch I was in Southampton and I watched the semi-final in a sports bar in
Challenges in League Transition
00:10:10
Speaker
Southampton. It was a stag do actually. um But it was, I think it was a Friday, wasn't it? in that the semifinal I that I watched that.
00:10:17
Speaker
And I watched them play and I thought, you know what, this is they're they're good. They've got a nice play, play they drive from midfield, they brake quickly. I also thought leads would be better better than you in the finals, to be fair. But I think, you know, you prove everything wrong there anyway.
00:10:37
Speaker
So for me, when you haven't got the money to spend to to get big, and it's always up, it's a massive gap ast i from the championship to the Premier League, a really big gap.
Recruitment Strategy and Financial Constraints
00:10:47
Speaker
It's almost when you get in the Premier League that there are three separate leagues now, isn't there, in the Premier League. The top, whatever, they're always competing. You've got the middle who are fine and have a class that spurs on that. You know, I can't see us obviously getting relegated.
00:11:02
Speaker
and that season or upon season and then you've got the other teams which yes always one that dips into that from the mid but usually it's the teams that come up with struggle and that's purely down to money and and not being able to spend things because of FFP I guess as well but well how what do you what do you guys you know have you did you spend loads of money? Is it downs in your midfield? yes Yeah I liked him he was good he's a good player. Yeah so yeah we we spent quite a bit of money although it was We bought in quite a lot of players at the start of the season. It's just really that we bought in Howard, Bellis and Downs who were both on loan with us last season. So sort of known quantities. And then we bought quite a few other players. We got Matty Fernandez and Sugawara who have we've done all right. And then we seem to sign a load of players that really just haven't done anything for us all season.
Squad Depth and Youth Integration
00:11:54
Speaker
We um we went out on deadline day and got 1A in on loan and
00:11:58
Speaker
but We saw Benbrough and Diaz, who whose main statistic is now that he's the longest streak of not winning a Premier League game in the history of players. So yeah, yeah we broke our we broke our record for Ramsdale as well. We got yeah made sure to try and get shore up a quality keeper to try and play the system we wanted to play. What we didn't anticipate was him going out injured. but Even when he was in the squad, he wasn't wasn't, you know,
00:12:24
Speaker
the groundbreaking player that finally slotted everything into place. I think that, you know, if you're going to recruit from clubs that are going down, which we did in like Ben Barrett and Diaz and again, Charlie Taylor, which is probably a bit harsh, but then, you know, or free agents like Adam Alana. I understand that you need to try and be sure with your business decisions and especially with the money, but it it kind of feels like for us, we've talked about the window a few times. It's been it's been very sort of 50 50. And the problem was is it it needed to be far more 75 25.
00:12:52
Speaker
for it to be something that actually went well this season. And it's that we are having more flops than not. And we even were talking about it yesterday where our squad depth is about as as as you know as shallow as a puddle. We have other players to come off the bench, but no one that we ever go, oh, no, well we you know we've got this person to come off. It's not like a villa with like a Duran that can come off the bench and score goals. We yeah we genuinely are like, oh, well, we play all our best players. and then and then hope that the players that come on the 70th minute will do something but usually nine times out of ten we've already three nil down at that point. so yes We spent money, I just don't think we spent it wisely and that'll be down to not getting in a proper director of football of football and not, you know, I think that they plan to come up as quick as they did. If I'm totally honest I think they always wanted to.
00:13:42
Speaker
but we were almost, you know, we were fourth. We
Youth System Challenges
00:13:44
Speaker
didn't, we we you you said it yourself, like everyone thought Leeds would beat us. A lot of us thought Leeds would beat us. We were just looking forward to it. Nice down Wembley. And all all of a sudden we find ourselves promoted with a squad full of players, most of which were hoping to probably leave on transfer deadline day. And now we've got a lot of our hopes pinned to a six foot five striker who was, everyone was expecting to go to Turkey at the beginning of the the season. So lots and lots of things.
00:14:11
Speaker
but we spent money, it just doesn't look like it was spent in the right places. At least from the footballing side, the business side seems to be going very well for them. So it basically, brings a roundabouts you got to a final overachieved in the final, played it like a final, one game and yeah.
00:14:26
Speaker
Sugar, we're in the Premier League. Fantastic. But yeah, a little bit too early. he's yes that's kind of That's kind of how I feel. I think Greg's probably got a different opinion on that. but I but kind of agree with everything. And I think the perception is the same as well with the business side, because what they did with a lot of the money coming up is made a load of improvements to the stadium. So we've got the massive safe standing zones now and new fan zones and new bars. And I think that that and the lack of investment in getting in a football director after our last one left and went to Man United really shows the thought path and philosophy at the moment. no You know, we've talked on the podcast before about how now the football side is solely Russell Martin, sort of in an echo chamber, presumably passing the ball around the back to himself. So that a yeah it's a strange position to be in. It's such a strange limbo, but
00:15:22
Speaker
It's almost i like your phone's on job. Are you going to do the same again this weekend? Yeah, yeah, I'll do it as well and that's fine, but it's still the same. it's It's going to be weird because that's that's how it's feel that's the feeling of the game, right? You're worried it's going to be exactly the same, we're worried it's going to be exactly the same. It will probably play out exactly the same and this is why I just can't see anyone scoring anywhere.
00:15:41
Speaker
um You would hope that our squad, although it's nowhere good enough to, or even our first team, good enough to so go we're against for 90 minutes the better teams, you would hope that we've got those better players in there because we're more established. Whereas you guys have brought in players who, Russell Martin's not a big name, he's well respected as ah what he did in the, obviously, championship, but you're not going to get those bigger players. And the players who came in, like you said, were players who, they did all right in struggling teams, but It's not that different. You've got to have different players to move in. Like I was saying in the podcast recently, just about spurs.
00:16:19
Speaker
I get the squad thing, you need a really good squad and you need a consistency of quality when they come on from the bench 100% and you can't really put young guys in there and expect them to be at the same level for experience and just quality because they've got to learn that unless they're a worldie and they won't be playing for Spurs then, they'll be inside of a room in Madrid or Barcelona. So it is a difficult one but yeah I would hope to think that we would have enough against you guys. But what's happened to your youth system? you that You guys used to have a really good youth system as well. And many years ago, I ah remember watching Alan Shearer down in Tall Point in Cornwall, when he did a pre-season down there. I think they went to the Royal Navy base as I'm meant to train there. And I watched them down at the mill. butgat Big shout out to the mill.
00:17:04
Speaker
tool point for our tool point listeners in Cornwall and um yeah he was phenomenal and I could see that he was a really good player. You know a few good youth prospects obviously and then you've had quite a lot haven't you? Walcott and... Yeah they all come back, Lallana came back. Walcott came back and they all come back to retire. You've missed it the the key moments. that you You obviously have made money from them, probably not enough, obviously Bale as well obviously but the greatest example. They've gone away and and and been a fantastic player. And some of them have come back when they're realistically, they wouldn't get any other sort of Premier League teams, were they? Yeah, it's interesting, because there was we had that really successful period with our Academy boys coming through. And we've definitely seen a resurgence sort of this year, especially with Tyler Dibbling coming through and to a lesser extent, Sam Amo and they all sort of breaking through. But
00:17:59
Speaker
Actually, I did a tour of the training ground last year and was talking about it with the guy who was showing me around. And he was saying that because they start the academy so young, sort of as a footballer, the reason that there's been such a gap in quality was their ability to recruit the last time we got relegated and ended up all the way down at the bottom of league one. And so we really struggled with recruitment then. And so it's only in the sort of recent years that we're seeing the benefits of when we managed to get back up into the Premier League.
Player Development Challenges in Different Leagues
00:18:29
Speaker
the first time. so it' It's harder because you've got to balance competing or trying to stay in the league, although the parachute payments are quite good. If you go down, to be fair, you should bounce back. You would hope to bounce back up, but it's never that easy. But obviously, you've got Premier League 2, which obviously the youth play in. And obviously, I look at other countries like Spain, they've got they've got their sort of second sort of string where they all the youngsters play in that particular one. It's almost like a like a championship or such.
00:18:59
Speaker
It's just that we don't give enough exposure to those youngsters and they go elsewhere, I guess, or fall full out of the system because they're deemed as not being good enough. And the only way they can get some game time sometimes is, yeah, going on loan. But the jump from the championship to obviously, like I said, the Premier League is is massive. So then they've they've done well in ah in the in a championship because they are a quality player and got lots of skill and they're a bit you know physically better and fitter because they've come from a Premier League environment.
00:19:28
Speaker
And then they come into the Premier League and you can't really risk playing loads of them because you've got to try and stay in a league and be competitive, I guess. And I guess that's kind of the thing we've seen, especially with like the physical element as well, because Tyler Diblin has been such a star for us this year and really sort of a creative outlook, but it's such a risk playing him for more than 60 to 70 minutes because he's still so young and yeah the boy refuses to wear shin pads.
00:19:58
Speaker
It's just, uh, we see him sort of taken off in those key moments. And it's, it's really fascinating because obviously we had, uh, a couple of other youngsters that we signed previously, like Romeo Lavia and Tino Liberimento who played every minute for us at that young age, and then ended up out for pretty lengthy periods of time
Injuries and Recruitment Challenges
00:20:19
Speaker
with injuries. So yeah, it's obviously a lot to take physically that young. So trying to manage those minutes.
00:20:26
Speaker
and maintain that star power was really sort of a difficult balance to tread. It is, but if you look at other sports where there's there's quite a lot of youth going in, they're deemed skillful enough, but probably not physically enough, big enough. It's such as rugby, in particular, the rugby union, then their their squad size is huge, because they know there's the demands of the but the game and the players, but you only have to have a week, you know, I'm speaking about Van de Ven by the way, now, a week hamstring, and you know, I was reading today, some Spurs fans saying, oh, but you know,
00:20:56
Speaker
who should we sell, who should we keep, who needs to be a squad player, who needs to go, et cetera, which is what we do usually this time of year, especially when things are going bad. But at the end, although he's a class player, well, if he's got if he's in Juproon, do we really need that in our team currently? I hope he's not in Juproon, because he's a good player, but... Okay. Well, that takes us ah quite nicely into our second break and a message from our partners at the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:21:25
Speaker
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00:22:17
Speaker
Was there a 5-5 a couple of years ago? Was it Norwich and someone? Wouldn't it be good for a 6 or a 7 all line? That would mean that we'd score more goals than we scored the entire rest of the season combined. Yeah, of course I was having a joke.
Match Predictions for Tottenham vs Southampton
00:22:34
Speaker
right a lot a lot our last probably elite gaming eight spurs was actually three three so well i think you know we we can defend we can attack and when we take our chances we'll we'll we'll create stuff i'm thinking that we're going to have back to our normal possession stats anyway obviously against um against you guys rather than chelsea because we think ours is down to 20 odd percent or something silly so Yeah, I i think we we are going to let in some goals, but it could be something like 4-2 or something like that.
00:23:11
Speaker
And not necessarily you guys are going to score it. I'm thinking we might have an end goal, because that would be the way it's going at the moment. But, you know, who knows? But yeah, 4-2, I'm going to go for 4-2. That's a solid prediction. I could see that playing out, to be fair. Zach, hard to feel positive going into it.
00:23:32
Speaker
I reckon we could score again, but I reckon an outcome that no one would want will be too old. And that's basically what I think will happen. I think we might actually get some goals, especially just the way that they've been coming recently. And I think with tall pullback, maybe we'll do something different. Hopefully, who knows? But I could easily see it being a draw and I could see it being a goal. Draw with goals. That'd been exciting Sunday Night Football, but also a result that literally nobody wants. Like a draw for us is nothing.
00:24:02
Speaker
A draw for Spurs is nothing. Doesn't quite the noise either way. And we continue in the status quo of both teams. So yeah, it's upsetting to tool draw for everyone involved me. So what about you, Greg? The cycle is complete, right? We're back to positive and optimism good ah for some context, Chris, on the optimistic side of the Saints podcast. And I haven't predicted a Saints loss yet this season, especially on Never Write.
00:24:31
Speaker
but you're right once the score line but you're right But I think I think it's funny that your prediction involves doing something different based on the fact that I think our entire theme of Monday's podcast was doing the same thing again and again and again. like that's my be onnuism ma I can see a struggle, a bit of a game where both teams struggle. It's going to be maybe a slightly cagey affair. I think Maybe a 2-1 win, Saints. I don't see us scoring more than 2 and I don't want to predict a loss. So I think 2-1's where I've got to cap it. We might go 4-0 up. I'm joking. I mean, it's it's a very real possibility. It really depends what happens. I think the problem is, as well, if you go on and score first, which is not not entirely unlikely, to be honest. The atmosphere really could turn on a knife at St Mary's.
00:25:28
Speaker
so It's going to be on the verge, that's for sure. He's not going to get nosy. Is he under threat, as in, will you take him back?
Managerial Future at Southampton
00:25:39
Speaker
Will he come back down with you if you get relegated? Or will he go for that? It's hard to say. I think there's definitely been a turn in the fanbase in the last week, especially since Chelsea. Yeah, the banners have been out. But the board have made no indication that they've changed trajectory at all. So it'll be an interesting one. It's one where
00:26:01
Speaker
even one win probably isn't enough to turn the fans around. I guess for you guys, if you are, say, if a season ahead of where you should be, or maybe two seasons ahead of where you should be, for the board, looking at it on the business sense, then it's a win-win for them, isn't it? If you've come up early, you're going to get some windfall next week. You're going to be, yeah, coming back up again, maybe stronger, you can invest in a little bit better.
00:26:30
Speaker
um be interesting yeah and i can see it from the board's perspective i don't think they want to spend the 15 million that it's going to cost to to get rid of martin and his staff especially if that's money that they can potentially invest in january and try and salvage something from the season but i don't think that anyone uh from our fan base has confidence in the board to make the signings that can make that save to be honest i don't know if you're feeling a bit more positive than that zac as the self. As you pointed out once before, Greg, when the only time I've seen you really sad on this podcast was when you went, who's going to want to come? And that lives in my head rent free. You're right. We could, we could put out all the feelers in the world, but you tell, you say, by the way, we're probably going to be at the Premier League next season. You're going to have to drop down sort of to a talent below the ones that you're aiming for. So yeah, I don't, I don't see a miracle happening, but who knows Christmas in it.
00:27:28
Speaker
same way would be for it to be Oxlade, Chamberlain and more Prowse to come back and see how that goes. Yeah, that's it. We're so obsessed with our old players. It's mad, but you're right.
Conclusion and Sign Off
00:27:40
Speaker
Well, that is just about all we've got time for today. So thank you very much for listening and joining us. Chris, thanks for joining us. It's been a pleasure. Enjoyed it. Thanks guys. Zach as always. Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow with our preview. and We look forward to seeing you then.