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Speaker: um So Charlie and I are in house um like fixing mode, you know like decor and all of that. So we went to Home Depot yesterday. And ah of course, we had to do the serious stuff first, which was looking at refrigerators. And then... refrigerators. yeah because we need a new fridge. Because the fridge that came at the house, the like freezer door doesn't seal all the way, so it gets like really icy. yeah. And it's just sort of like, the light's out, and Charlie's like, you know, I could just put a new light in it. And I was just like, yeah, but I just don't like the fridge. Can we just get new fridge? I've never bought a fridge. I've always just used whatever fridge came with what the apartment I had. I know. I've never bought a fridge either.
Speaker: And apparently dimensions are a thing. Yes, they are. all the ones that I wanted were too expensive. Well, sure. That tracks. And too big.
Speaker: Yes, yes. I wanted the ones with all the fun features that could make all the fancy ice and that could do all the Wi-Fi things. And Charlie was like, no. You definitely don't need Wi-Fi on your fridge.
Speaker: I promise you. You don't need Wi-Fi in your fridge. Now, don't get me wrong. I love crushed ice. And that would be a big priority for me on a fridge. yes But explain to me why you need Wi-Fi in a fridge. um You can link it to your ring camera.
Speaker: Why? so that you know when someone's at the front door. But you already know when someone's at the front door because you have a ring camera. You don't need to look at them on your fridge. You can sync up your like um your grocery list.
Speaker: So like if you're out of something, you can write it on the fridge and then it goes onto your phone. you can Your phone is right there. is your phone not near you when you're making a grocery list? That's so much so much effort to go like, oh, I'm out this. I've got to close the fridge. Take out the phone.
Speaker: if You have to close the fridge either way. You can't write it on the inside of the fridge, can you? No, it's on the outside of the fridge. So me ask if the fridge knew how many eggs you had, if the fridge knew, like, the contents of your fridge and could make the lit lets you make the list automatically, like, hey, you're out of eggs. Hey, you're out of milk. Hey, you're out of cheese, whatever. yeah That would be, but first of all, that would be dystopian nightmare. But secondly, I do. I don't think it does that. I too, and I could understand that argument in a certain way. Like maybe if you had a bunch of kids and you were constantly like, just need, it was easier just to know. like, if you were at the grocery store and you could communicate with the fridge and look at the contents of your fridge on your phone from the grocery store, like that is an argument. Yeah.
Speaker: That's an argument I could buy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah That might be good. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think you need Wi-Fi on the fridge. You can also like play games and stuff.
Speaker: Why? First of all, and you don't like it. You famously hate games. I hate games. I hate games. I hate them. um You've only played one video game in your life. And that was The Sims.
Speaker: No, it was, oh, well, you've played two video games in your Because you played The Walking Dead. oh yes. I played The Walking Dead. i've played The Sims. And I've played um Age of Empires. I mean, those are all good games.
Speaker: They're all good games. But, like, I don't need that in my life right now. Why would I let a little, like, digital me make up a house and furnish it when I can furnish my real house?
Speaker: That's true. Well, I mean, the the beauty of The Sims is that it's a meritocracy, right? Like, it in The Sims, being good at something gets you more money. And working hard provides capital for you to enjoy your leisure time. And that doesn't happen in the real world, obviously. I don't understand.
Speaker: there's this There's this older man I work with who, like, i we have these long conversations about, like, capitalism and and stuff. And he' he's ah is an interesting guy. He's a smart guy. He's an artist, a graphic designer.
Speaker: And I like him a lot. And I don't want this to make, I don't want to make him sound bad because I think he, I do like him. He's a, he's a cool person, but like, he has this like gen X mindset, which is strange, honestly. Like he's, he's a little too young to have, it's really more of a boomer mindset of this like meritocracy. Like he really believes that if you work hard, you're,
Speaker: things will work out for you. And the people, and that the people who have made a lot of money did so because they worked hard. And I just cannot seem to dissuade him of this notion. It really seems to be like, like part of like, just part of his core personality that he believes this, that, that, you know, we should respect billionaires because they obviously know what they're doing because they made their money.
Speaker: And like, I mean, that's just not true. um so, we and And like, again, we have these like debates that are very respectful and none of us and these earth us get mad at each other, which I really appreciate about him.
Speaker: But like... that does seem to be a, a, something that is hardwired into this man is that he really does believe that if you work hard, you will succeed, which is, you know, unfortunately I really just don't believe that's true. Like, I yeah i think, I think it was once upon a time. And then what that generation did, no offense to the boomers, um, was they were like, cool. Okay. Well worked for me. So now I'm going make it harder for everybody else.
Speaker: but Pull the ladder out from under you. And, you know, primarily they did that through government. And that was, you know, the Reagan administration was a huge part of that. um Like, now that that they have made their money, like, no one else is going to have the opportunity that they did. Like, yeah all these people, you know, got a house with the GI Bill, and now, you know, that's impossible. so Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. and What I'm saying is we need another Yeah. Okay, okay. Anyways, so that's a long-winded way of me saying that I went to Home Depot. We got there from fridge shopping. Fridge shopping. So I went to Home Depot. I've become a parody of myself.
Speaker: That's okay. We all have. I'm sitting here with rollers in my hair. um and You are. It's very kitch. I love it Yeah. Thank you so much. um They came out while I was sleeping, I imagine, because as Charlie explained, he kept waking me up. And so I yeah rolled around too much. um So that's why I could never. I mean, I don't need rollers because my hair is constantly curly, but it would yeah like overnight rollers would never work for me. Yeah.
Speaker: My hair is constantly curly, but in in a different way. And so I'm like, well what if I want like sex bomb hair? True. True. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways.
Speaker: Katie, this is so worth it. I promise. We went to Home Depot to buy a fridge. Yes. And we, Charlie was like, okay, business and then fun stuff. And I was like, cool. And the fun stuff was the Halloween section. And I was like, oh absolutely um absolutely absolutely. Because so it was late August and obviously all the Halloween shit is everywhere. Exactly. Exactly. Because America. Exactly. And, um, I, we went to the little Halloween section and we saw all the little scary, spooky things. And Charlie was like, you can have one thing for the front yard. You can have one thing like not necessarily today, but you can have one monster thing for the front yard. And I was like, rude. Maybe you agreed together that you could have what that you could have one thing?
Speaker: um Well, i i want, obviously, i would want all the giant skeletons. And I was like, you said one thing, you didn't say how big. um That's true. That's true. That's his own fault. That's his own fault. That's a making of his own. um We didn't get a thing for the front yard, but we did get a thing for the house because I saw her and I fell in love. And I'm gonna send you a little picture, a little video of her right now.
Speaker: Oh my god. She's my new best friend. Um, I've named her Clarice. It was just the name that came to me at the time. This is not playing for some reason.
Speaker: Is it? The fuck? The fuck? Come Just download these? Okay, hold on. There we go. Nope. It like plays a second and then it stops.
Speaker: Oh my god! ha
Speaker: But listen to Listen to Yeah, that's um that's really scary. i um I don't know if I would...
Speaker: Teddy just wants to sleep with me. Could come alive with your nightmares? That's terrible. love my Teddy. Teddy loves It's a, ah we're looking at a ah animatronic ah doll um who, as eyes glow and it speaks and its head spins around to show a horrible demon face on the other side. Like yeah there's not any way in hell I would allow that in my house.
Speaker: It's in our entryway. I don't like that. I mean, that's better than the guest bedroom. Yeah. I love her so much. She's a hoot and a half. She's just always joking.
Speaker: That's, it's honestly quite scary.
Speaker: So I, Charlie was like, he was like, oh, that's only 50 quid. And I was like, can I have it? And he was like, it was only 50 quid. was $50. it's only fifty dollars Yeah. A quid is not a dollar, Emma. and like Well, he got excited. Does he say quid when he talks about dollars?
Speaker: Sometimes when he forgets where he is. that's adorable Um, also I had to do a self tape yesterday and he was my reader and I was playing it back to see what my best take was. And he comes in and he goes, do I sound Southern?
Speaker: Do I sound Southern? Do I still sound British? And I was like, yes, you still sound British. You sound so stupidly British. No one sounds Britisher than you. Although there is like that line between, and I think it's partially because of like how immigration worked, but there is that line where like, between like southern american and and british slash scottish and irish where there is some of the same like vowel sounds the rhodic uh stuff is very popular in south like a lot of dropped r's and stuff so i get that it's why people like daniel craig uh love to southern american accents love to do a southern accent
Speaker: Because it's in their same thing. Anyways, that was about 15 minutes of me talking about my new best friend Clarice. I'll cut it down. Love it.
Speaker: um So that's a long-winded way of saying new best friends famously featured in today's film. um Sure. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's right, guys. This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie both have a favorite radio show. And their favorite radio show is done by this wonderful, sweet doctor who is very Southern.
Speaker: we're We're extras in this movie. We're extras in this movie. Wow. We're extras. i You know, i appreciate how you constantly change it up, Emma. like set Thank you. Thank you so much. You know, we got to be all over the place. We can't be the protagonists of every film, Katie. Exactly. Yeah. ah And ah we're just listening to our favorite radio show and she's everywhere in the greatest city of in the world, Chicago, Illinois. And um all of a sudden, like...
Speaker: Something comes out about how she's not really a doctor? What? But we don't care because we love her. Because her advice is the best. Even though some might say it ruins lives. But we think that her advice is pretty solid, which for the most part is pull up your bootstraps and just...
Speaker: Love yourself. If you're not gonna, if somebody's not gonna love you the way that you love you, then they don't deserve you, honey. Honk your own horn. Honk your own horn.
Speaker: That's right, guys. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie, and today we are talking about the 1992 romantic comedy drama-ish Straight Talk. Now, we had another movie picked, and you'll hear in the last episode, I'll do ah i'll do it an edit where i explain that we're not doing that.
Speaker: um ah The legend ah Dolly Parton passed away um this past week. And so we needed an emergency replacement. Yeah. So it'll now have definitely it'll now have been a month after she died by the time you hear this. But but still. um So we needed to do a Dolly. And um she really only had like two rom-coms, neither of which were well-reviewed or popular. so I don't understand. This movie was so cute. well Yeah, we'll get we'll get to it. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker: Yes, so this is Straight Talk from 1992. This is ah directed by Barnett Kelman, oh who made three movies.
Speaker: He made one movie. The first movie is called Key Exchange, which is a movie that does not exist and stars no one that you've ever heard of, but is a romantic comedy. So I suppose we could do it someday if we wanted to. yeah He made this, and his last film was called Slappy and the Stinkers from 1998, which is seems to be a free willy ripoff about kids trying to save a sea lion.
Speaker: um Other than that, he has directed every ah every show you've ever watched at least two or three episodes of. He's a huge TV director. He does it all the time, like many of the directors we talk about on this show.
Speaker: The movie is written by Craig Bolaton. Bolaton? Craig Bolaton. Who has who wrote has a movie called No Small Affair, which is a teen rom-com from the 80s starring John Cryer and Demi Moore.
Speaker: Oh. He also wrote airings the Ridley Scott um action movie called Black Rain, which I have not seen. I've never seen that.
Speaker: He also wrote and directed Light It Up, the Usher movie from the 90s about the kids trying to like take over their high school and like change things for the better. Which I remember being good, but I saw it when I was a kid, so yeah who knows? Yeah, I barely remember that movie.
Speaker: Now, the the code the other credited writer is Patricia Resnick, who who wrote fucking nine to five. Oh, well.
Speaker: And she also wrote a bunch of Robert Altman movies. She wrote three women, a wedding and quintet. Um, ah so, and then not a lot since this. So, uh, so there you go.
Speaker: This is, so my guess is, you know, there was this screenplay kicking around and when Dolly became attached, she was like, get, the woman who wrote nine to five to, to work on this, to, to dolly it up a bit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it is dollied up to a T it is the most quintessential, like it's not the most quintessential in terms of like popular culture and what you think of Dolly Parton, but in terms of like a character that basically just is Dolly Parton, like this is so Dolly Parton. This is yeah so Dolly. Yeah.
Speaker: It is. And like this movie is super charming and cute. it's Anytime, anytime James Woods is not on the screen. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker: Whenever he's on screen, I just think, why is Hades here? Because he was the voice of Hades in 1998. Right. And also he's ah ah allegedly a terrible person. IRL. Yeah. um Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: he doesn't He doesn't have any non-Hades credits since 2017. Yeah. yeah and There we go. happened in tuesday Wasn't there something major that happened in 2017? I don't remember.
Speaker: Was he... Does it rhyme with shmeeshmu? It does, yes. Yes. any's like This movie is super... Like super, super cute in all of the things that don't have to do with the romance, unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker: I think that if they had cast someone else, this would be a classic. Maybe not necessarily, like maybe it wouldn't have been a huge hit, but it would definitely be like a really fondly remembered rom-com if, my first thought was Tom Selleck played him, just based on age. Like i was just thinking of actors who were the same characterization too, because like he has to be a little like,
Speaker: Stick in the mud. Yeah. Stick in the mud. A little tough as well. Yeah. Although I guess he's not that tough. He gets beaten up. He's just, I don't know. James, James Woods is so menacing. Like there's that scene at the end where the cops like shine the light on him before she goes, she, they think you're murdering me. Like, yeah, because you're James Woods. You're crazy. Exactly. You're scary.
Speaker: So scary. Yeah. But like originally Griffin Dunn was going to be cast and Dolly Parton really wanted Griffin Dunn to, to play the part and the studio rejected him. Probably because he's, my guess is because he's too short and too Jewish. That would be my guess. Rude.
Speaker: Rude. So instead they cast him as the, um as the sleazy radio radio manager, which he's great in. I love Griffin Dunn. Griffin Dunn, director of Practical Magic.
Speaker: More famous as an actor, but that is a movie he directed that we've done on the show. There you go. Is he the one? Because it was either him or the, he was in American Werewolf in Paris, right?
Speaker: He is. He's an American Werewolf in London. Yes. Oh, sorry. American Werewolf in London. I love American Werewolf in London. Yeah. And After Hours and, um you know, just lots of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. He gets killed right away. He's great. um We love, we love Griffin Dunn. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he gets killed right away, but then he's still in the rest of the movie. Yeah, he's still in the rest of the movie. but Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah you You have to watch it to to know. um But yeah, this movie, I was like so pleasantly surprised because I had not heard anything about this movie. I knew nothing. um didn't even know it was set in Chicago until I started watching it.
Speaker: Right? i was just like, well, you know, and we'll see. we'll We'll roll the dice. And it is just like the most... Dolly's character is just the sweetest, most wonderful person i have ever seen. And throughout this entire movie, like, I'm sure that this comparison has been drawn before. But like, especially seeing her like in like full shots in her little heels walking around, I was like, oh, my God, Dolly Parton and Sabrina Carpenter are the same person.
Speaker: They're just the same person. It's they're both little short queens and they both love a heel and they both are a little sex pot that are just like super fun and super good at comedy and super adorable. And um they're just they're the same person.
Speaker: Other than being Southern. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of key to Dolly's whole thing. um Let's talk Dolly for a minute. What is your experience with Dolly Parton?
Speaker: um I don't have a huge experience with Dolly Parton. I love her because she's fabulous and amazing, but like I was never like a huge Dolly fan. yeah Obviously, I love the song 9 to 5, and I love... her um the movie nine to five the movie nine to five and she was in that christmas movie and the musical at nine to five and she was in that christmas movie about like magical places um i just know my roommate in college was really obsessed with dolly parton he loved her so much and um i'm guessing this is a gay man yeah yep i was just a shot in the dark yeah he was straight at first uh
Speaker: okay he's a gay man um but like i didn't really start appreciating dolly until my older years um okay okay so yeah that's that i mean i'm sure you're you have a bigger history with dolly well i'm from east tennessee so yes um she's royalty there um um yeah i grew up you know, just ah an hour or so from where, from Dollywood. Dollywood! And i'm where she, where she was born.
Speaker: um So she's, ah she's a legend. um There's the, the Imagination Library, which is you know, certainly something that I was aware of. I, you know, we,
Speaker: My family didn't have a ton of money, but we were not, you know, poor enough to need Dolly Parton's Imagination Library. But I was yeah certainly, you know, aware of it and aware of her music everywhere. Like, I remember my my grandmother definitely was way into Dolly Parton. I remember the the first the the first song that I associate with her is Why'd You Come In Here Looking Like That. Are you familiar with this song?
Speaker: No. Why'd you come in here looking like that? With your high heel boots and your painted on jeans. coming throughou through here like some cowgirl's dream.
Speaker: hu Wow. ah and um And I Will Always Love You, of course. Yeah, of course. i i think I think it's maybe less of a controversial opinion now because it certainly would have been a controversial opinion when I was a kid, but I think it's better than the Whitney Houston version. I think it's more emotional. yeah Yeah. Well, because she's the one that wrote it She is. She is. and um And, ah yeah, because, I mean, I was ah i was a kid in the 90s, and that Whitney Houston, that song was everywhere. It was everywhere. Yeah, and Jolene. ah Love Jolene. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: But, um yeah, I have, it's strange being from East Tennessee that I have never been to Dollywood. How have you never been? I don't know. My parents just never took me.
Speaker: um Just never went to Dollywood. I've been to Pigeon Forge and Gallenburg and Sevierville many, many times, which is the, you know, tourist trap place where um she lived. I mean, like she made, she, she made those towns like tourist.
Speaker: I mean, tourist trap is a, is a pejorative, but she made those places to give jobs to people in, rural poverty, you know, like, which is, it is a good thing, like to, to have jobs for people who need right ah So it's hard to complain too much about the capitalization of that area, but my God, there's so much there i don't know if you've ever been to. No, I've never been. atlemberg Everywhere. i mean, Dollywood started it, but there are so many like places. like There's so many theaters, so many like um tourist traps, basically, one thing or another.
Speaker: um Everywhere you look for for miles down that that main road, there's on both sides of the street, it's just everywhere. And those are those are jobs for people who needed them, so it's hard to to complain too much about that. And that was her intention with that.
Speaker: And she has this It's hard to call her anti-capitalist. I think her character in this movie is more anti-capitalist than she was in real life, but she certainly was could she certainly could have been a billionaire and oh yeah gave away enough money to where she never became a billionaire. yeah um which I think is a moral good. Like she was, she you eat it funded the Moderna COVID vaccine, you know, she, Dolly's imagination library, which I mentioned, but maybe people don't know is you sign up for Dolly's imagination library when you have a child and every month that that child is alive from when they're born into when they're 18 years old, they get a free book.
Speaker: um ah in the mail, um which is like, it's just incredible. It's so incredible. I really hope that this kind of stuff continues um now that she's now that she's gone. It's said that the Imagination Library is still going go to go Sure. like Well, for now, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Until the government shuts down. um Until the government shuts it down. yes I don't know. hope not. But yeah, Dolly Parton, great. We love Dolly Parton this house. Yeah, we love Dolly. We love Dolly.
Speaker: Love her. And so it was just really nice seeing, you know, because usually what you're used to seeing of of Dolly Parton, she's the fun, like, character actor and when she's in a little movie. Yeah. Um, and she's not in that many movies. She's not.
Speaker: It's nine to five. This, the other one, that Christmas movie where she plays an angel. um i I don't know the Christmas movie where she plays an angel. It was a Netflix one. It was just sort of... think it was like... Ah, okay. Well, I mean, yeah she's got Best Little Whorehouse in Texas and 9 to 5, which are the two biggest ones. Yeah. Steel Magnolias is in there, too.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. But the other the other movie we talked about doing was Rhinestone, which is a cool sort of romantic comedy with fucking Sylvester Stallone. So another mismatched... like Yeah. I don't know what happened. like Yeah. She...
Speaker: she they They could have done better by her with some of these casts. Oh, they absolutely could have. Yeah. She's in Norma Rae? That's probably just music. That's got to be a song by her. She's not in Norma Rae.
Speaker: I don't know Norma Rae. um Oh, yeah, the Union movie with Sally Field. Oh! yeah She holds up the sign that says Union. Yeah. I know that she's also, like, she makes a little cameo in her own biopic.
Speaker: Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and if i don't know if you've seen A Smoky Mountain Christmas. I have not, but I also know that she's in that.
Speaker: That's from the 80s, and it's it's deranged. Okay. It's sort of fictionalized and sort of not where she's like, oh, well, well hello there, and we're coming down to the to the holler, and we're going to have a nice Christmas time.
Speaker: it's ah It's very, but she's also like ah like a mom and she's taken in all these like ah orphan kids. Man, it's been a long time since I've seen it, but it's very delightfully weird. Yeah, I love that. I love that.
Speaker: Dolly Parton, she's great. We love her. yeah And I love her character in this. She's just so, she just wants to do the right thing and she wants to help people even if it,
Speaker: is problematic because it means that she can't do other jobs. Right. Right. Yes. Um, we start the movie. She is a dance instructor. Also, this movie is just full of recognizable actors. like Oh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Everywhere you look, there's some there's somebody who's known for for something big. Yeah. And you're like, oh my God. John Sayles is the guy who runs the dance studio. He's got like three lines. Like why was it John Sayles? Like famous director of like Eight Men Out and Matawan.
Speaker: John Sayles is like runs the dance studio in Arkansas where she works. He has like one scene.
Speaker: Yeah, Terry Hatcher has one scene as well. Yeah. Sane. Michael Madsen plays her boyfriend. Yeah. Another, like, and I, he's a little bit better cast because he's supposed to be like a dangerous asshole. Yeah. Yeah. um But again, like, yeah, right the the men that they pair her with is. i know. It's like they didn't know what to what to do.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, well, she's, she's a little older. I mean, she's 46 when they made this movie. um So that is, yeah that is uncommon for a romantic comedy, for sure. Like, yeah, to be that old. But I mean, James Woods is the same. He's actually younger than her.
Speaker: Yeah. And, um, and she, ah oh yeah. Also it should be said, all the songs are Dolly Parton songs that she wrote for this movie. She wrote for this movie. They're like about the things that happened in this movie. When I realized that, that was very funny. She's like, you can hear me out on the radio. And I'm like, did did she write this for this movie?
Speaker: She did. I knew it because it was in the opening credits. So it was just like songs written and performed for this film by Donald Trump. Well, I knew that they would be her songs, but I didn't know they were like going to be about the things that happened in this movie. I didn't know it was going to the montage is her describing what's happening in the montage, which is incredible. It's so good.
Speaker: Most of the songs are pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. They're really solid. Yeah. So she is, now explain this to me. She works at a dance studio. Yes. Where presumably people have already paid.
Speaker: Yes. So why would John Sayles give a shit if she was dancing with them or talking to them and giving them advice? ah Because she was she would take too long talking to them and that it would run over into her next client.
Speaker: Okay, I see. That makes more sense. And so like his whole thing is that she's taking so long trying to give people advice. Yes, that's her deal. It runs into the next person. And so like she's always behind. So she gets fired from the dance studio and goes home to tell her asshole boyfriend, yeah Michael Madsen.
Speaker: um Who is the brother of her ex-husband. yeah Best friend, best friend. Sorry, best friend of her ex-husband. who We never see her ex-husband that she married three different times and divorced. Yes.
Speaker: And she's like, well, maybe we should move to Chicago. And he's like, what the hell is in Chicago? I don't know why. she They're in Arkansas. I don't know why it doesn't Chicago instead of Atlanta or like Houston or something would be much closer. Yeah.
Speaker: but she wants to move to Chicago and good for her. yeah And he is, yeah, he's unemployed and, uh, drunk and decides he's going to go drink some more. And she's like, well, I'm going to leave you. And he's like, you're not going to leave me. And she does. Yes. We get this montage of her driving across the country to Chicago, which we love. And she takes his bowling bag. She takes his bowling bag because fuck him.
Speaker: Cause fuck him. Yeah. This movie is also rated PG, which is kind of adorable. It is really adorable, but also with that little sex scene. I mean, well, it's off camera.
Speaker: Yeah, but it's very much implied. Yeah, I mean, it's so you could do that in PG. I mean, that's what PG is for. It's not G. Okay. But PG movies used to be really common. And now like there's no PG movies. Like everything is G or PG 13. Like right even Pixar. Well, I guess pick Pixar has some PG movies, but mostly they're. Yeah.
Speaker: And it's mostly PG for like violence or. Yes. Sad content. You don't see movies made for adults that are PG anymore. And you used to, you really did used to. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Um, uh, which is fine. Like you don't, you don't gotta to say fuck in a movie. Yeah. want to. God, do you think Dolly Parton's ever said fuck on camera?
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Yeah? I bet she has. In what?
Speaker: Maybe not. I was like, the only thing I can think of is like 9 to 5 or Best Little Whorehouse. 9 to 5 is PG. Best Little Whorehouse might be PG-13, although it might be before PG-13 existed.
Speaker: Um, Best Little Whorehouse would probably be the closest. I just really can envision her saying it. Well, fuck. You know? Yeah. Um, Best Little Whorehouse in Texas is Best Little Whorehouse in Texas is R. Oh! Yeah, it's about a whorehouse.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true. It's kind of like Pretty Woman. Like, there's no reason and Pretty Woman is rated r other than the fact that it's about a sex worker. Yeah. Um... Oh, well, don't know. Maybe she does. I guess we'll, I guess we can find out.
Speaker: Yeah. We could always do it for, uh, go get your ho ho ho's. Is it, miss that's not, is that a Christmas movie? Wait, what's the Christmas song? Oh my God. I used to sing it for my, for my college, like not glee club, but like my, my college musical theater group. I sing it all the time. Oh my God.
Speaker: Hard candy Christmas. I'll have a hard candy Christmas. Yeah. um Yeah. but it's not Yeah, but it's not a Christmas movie. yeah In my mind, it is.
Speaker: Okay, well, there we go. so she went to Chicago. Look at that skyline from 35 years ago. And as it's going, Charlie goes, oh yeah, this was pre-9-11. And like, he went, I'm a rascal.
Speaker: and he went i'm a rascal ah He is a rascal. um ah that's that's the act That's pretty funny, Charlie. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. ah gotta give Gotta give you that.
Speaker: Gotta give the boy credit where it's due. So she goes to make a wish on the Wabash Bridge. She gets to Chicago and immediately has to make a wish. Yep. That's her whole thing. Her cash, the wind blows some of her cash out of her purse into Chicago River. Famous Windy They do say it's Wendy, yes. Yeah.
Speaker: And she is trying to get it. Yeah. She steps over onto the edge of the bridge in, like, four-inch heels, which is crazy. In stilettos, which is insane.
Speaker: Is trying to get to her twenty s She puts her gum on the heel of her shoe to try to grab it. James Woods, who is working at the Sun-Times, I gotta say, of all the movies that I've seen that are, like,
Speaker: take place in and shot in Chicago. Yeah. I think this movie might geographically do the best. Yeah. Yeah. It is like everything is where it's supposed to be. Like yeah the Sun-Times offices used to be, not anymore, used to be right there on on Wabash and the river. Yeah.
Speaker: Like the play it's anyway, there's, there's other things too. Like the, um, like she lives at Lakeshore Tower. Of course she does. Of course she does. She takes pictures at the Roosevelt Hotel.
Speaker: Yes. Yes. Yeah. They go to, I mean, at the Shedd Aquarium actually does do cocktails after dark. Of course. Yeah. They have like gallows at the Shedd Aquarium. Of course they do. Yeah. But like, and like, they really see a lot of the city. Like they go to the to the north side of where the radio station is. Like I, I was just, I don't know. I'm like a grandma when things are shot in Chicago. i'm like, I know where that is. Yeah, I do too. I get very excited. Yeah.
Speaker: Um, uh, so that was super fun for me, but, um, yeah, most of the time when movies are shot in Chicago, they have, like we talked about, um in a while you were sleeping, like they end up, there's they walk like five miles or something. Yeah. from And it's insane.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From the river. They don't do any of that here. All of this, all of it kind of makes sense. yes Yeah. Which is So yeah, he runs out of his office, uh, in the sometimes building to try to rescue her because he thinks that she's jumping.
Speaker: Um, and, but she is of course not jumping and he causes her to lose her 20 because he's, well, he also, and we hate him. Yeah. He's, she's almost like, she's got the 20 and she's about to climb back over. She's like, good to go. And he comes and he goes, I gotcha. I gotcha. And he causes her to fall.
Speaker: Yes. and Yes. And he's like dangling her over the river. Right. Right. right And she loses the money. She almost dies. He ruins her life. And she's just like, why are you trying to kill me? He's like, I was trying to save you. She's like, you were trying to kill me. And I have to say, i kind of am on Dolly's side in this. 100%. Yeah. that yeah he's a He's a creep and a weirdo. Now, yeah if Tom Selleck, 1992, had done that, it would be a whole different story. I'm just saying, like...
Speaker: It would be funnier whenever she be like, you're trying to kill me. i'm trying to save you. i mean I'll take it. Yeah, like it's just, it's very different if you imagine. Or like Ted Danson was another person that I thought of. Oh yeah, that would be really cute. Right age, right like level of fame yeah for the for the year. It would have been cool. Griffin Dunn also be a very different vibe with Griffin Dunn. But again, it would be so would have been what is been way better. when And they're the same height.
Speaker: They are. I mean, he's a little bit tall. In heels, they're the same height. In heels. Because there's several shots where they're standing next to each other. and i was like, huh, they're like the same height. yeah How about that?
Speaker: um ah We love Griffin Dunn. We do. He goes, she gets an apartment. Well, she gets a room at a hostel like YMCA, whatever. Spooky place, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. And he um ah he goes back to work. And um Jerry Orbach is his editor. Jerry Orbach's got like. Jerry Orbach. he He did one day on this. He's got two scenes. Like. Absolutely insane.
Speaker: Everybody is somebody in this movie somehow. She goes to eat at this diner. She has like, you know, $4 to her name. And she sees Terry Hatcher there. Yep. um And Terry Hatcher is explaining like, yeah, my boyfriend, he works all the time. And like, she's like, well, you need to do something on your own, honey. If he's. Yeah.
Speaker: Like. So you we did Irish accents in Bend It Like Beckham. In this episode, we'll be doing Southern accents. We'll be doing lots of Southern accents, which I think we'll be a little bit more equipped for.
Speaker: Yeah, probably. It comes natural to me, you see. Yeah. That East Tennessee accent. I think it is like, sometimes i regret intentionally obliterating my accent when I was in like, yeah you know, high school, because I, I, I thought erroneously that it made me sound stupid. And I thought that, you know, it would, I, I wanted to, to, you know, do acting. I, you know, I was on stage from when I was like eight years old. So it was always something I tried to like say words correctly instead of inheriting the accent that,
Speaker: Both of my parents definitely had, my mom more than my but um But my mom talks like Dolly Parton. I mean, they're from the same place, really. Yeah. Well, it's too late. You could always bring it back.
Speaker: I think the ship has sailed. But it is like when I meet when I meet someone who has a southern accent now, like I just find it so charming. Like yeah yeah that the when I was a kid, it was definitely something I associated with being like stupid or backward. And that's I mean, that's that's incorrect. That's not true. That's it's something that yeah media definitely pushed that on me when I was a kid. But like when I meet someone with like a heavy accent in real life, it's it's it's the best. I love it.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so ah so she tells her, like, you gotta to do something on your own. Like, if he's gonna be gone all night working, like, why don't you go out?
Speaker: Do something on your own. You gotta honk your own horn. That's what she does. Yeah, honk your own horn. And who rolls up but James Woods, who is dating Terry Hatcher, which, like... The boyfriend.
Speaker: How does he pull Terry Hatcher and Dolly Parton? Like, I don't i don't understand it. I don't understand I don't know. It was the 90s. It was a different time. but but he wasn't a leading man. Like, he wasn't. He was, like, he was, he played weirdos and creeps. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker: Oh, I work in bridal. And the thing is, is that, like, sometimes we get thank you cards from our brides. And you get them back in the mail. And you look at it. And you go, him?
Speaker: That's the guy she was so excited to marry? That's the I mean, that's true. You're right. Like every, the most beautiful woman you've ever met is married to some thumb who has, you know, a neon.
Speaker: Jesus Christ.
Speaker: I mean, people tell Charlie all the He pulled way yeah I mean, obviously Charlie pulled, but like, I certainly wasn't going to say that. It's okay. You can admit it. I'm the beauty. He's the beast.
Speaker: I'm leaving it in. not editing this out.
Speaker: And he comes in and and Terry Hatcher breaks up with him, rightfully so. And he's decided that um she's made an enemy of him. Yeah. He he decides Dolly Parton is on his ah death list.
Speaker: Yes. Yes. um ah ah Also, one of the one of my least favorite a pet peeve of mine is the line, who are you and what have you done with blank?
Speaker: Oh, yeah. He does say that, and that's just, like, why did we put that in things? Like, that's in every movie from the 70s to the early 2000s. It's such a such a bad line. It's just such lazy writing.
Speaker: I was going to say it's just insulting. we get ah We get another Dolly song. This is called dirt Dirty Word. Oh, oh the the first song she sings this wind is in the montage when she's driving to Chicago, and it's yeah called...
Speaker: Oh, I really like this song. I'm driving to Chicago. It's called like, man, I'm going to have to look it up. I got buy my X's bowling bag. I'm driving to Chicago.
Speaker: it's called like, um, ah a blue morning or so light of a clear blue morning is what it's called. Ah. And then, so this song is called dirty job where she's trying to find jobs and she's yeah classifieds from the sun times and she's circled them in nail polish. Nail polish.
Speaker: which seems like so much messier than lipstick. Like yeah that's going to take a long time to dry. Okay. Live your life. She, and she's going around trying to apply for jobs and we get all this like great B roll blue collar Chicago workers. And I'm like, ah, I love this city.
Speaker: Like Chicago. It's great. um But it is, it there is this kind of, humanist like blue collar vibe to this movie that I really dig. Like it's very like there's, and again, later on we'll get to some like explicitly anti-capitalist messaging in this. yeah you just don't see that, especially in nineties movies. Right.
Speaker: But she applies for a bunch of stuff. She can't get a job anywhere because she doesn't have any experience or like, I get that. Yeah. um I'm doing that myself right now. It's a nightmare.
Speaker: Um, ah and finally she ends up at WNDY. Yep. Which is on Marshfield and Lincoln, baby. That is yeah the block where I get my haircut. Yeah. it's, you can see the, the, the, the Dinkle, the Dinkle's donut sign is right there.
Speaker: I saw it. And I was just like, yeah. Dinkles. RIP. God bless. So many like beautiful places in this movie, like closed in the past 10 years. Like they were, A Chicago institution since 1880. It closed in 2017.
Speaker: um Yeah. and Although I think Dinkles, I think maybe Dinkles is doing a comeback. They they have like. that's good. They have like a ghost kitchen and they're doing like to-go stuff, I think.
Speaker: Oh, that's amazing. But Dinkles was this beautiful like 50s donut shop. Like you go in and there were all the banquets. They had the like old like 50s like machines and everything everywhere. It was incredible. And the donuts were great.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. But the, ah the place is right on the corner there. It's this great shot. That place is a um um Alvin Alley dance studio right now. Alvin Alley? Yeah. um No, not Alvin Alley. Fred Astaire dance studio.
Speaker: Well, i wrote it down because I, um but I don't remember what it is. It'll be in my notes at some point. It's the ballroom dancing. Arthur Murray. Arthur um Murray. Arthur Murray. I was like, yeah, it's it's the um ballroom dancing teaching place.
Speaker: So full circle. Full circle. Exactly. your call Yeah. Yeah. So um we have, there there's a radio station there, WNDY, which like. W-N-D-Y is apparently in Indiana. Like, why does Chicago not have W-N-D-Y? I don't know. It makes no sense. sense Oh, because Indy. it's Indy for Indiana. i just got it.
Speaker: ah But W-N-D-Y is windy. I know. It makes more sense in Chicago. I think we should take it back. i think we should take it back. A hostile takeover of Indiana.
Speaker: And ah Jeff Garland in his first- Oh, also- The number of first roles in this movie. So in the very first scene, the very first shot of this movie is her dancing with the soldier. And I was like, is that Ron Livingston? And i had to look up at IMDb. It was Ron Livingston's first role.
Speaker: He has no lines. He's basically an extra in this movie. Was her first dance partner, the soldier. we've got Ron Livingston. Jeff Garland um is one of the morning zoo hosts on this. Bob and Bill. He's got like, you know, two lines or whatever. yeah um There's, um, there's other, uh, what's her name? The, uh, you, you mentioned her already. The, the wife who. Yeah. Um, Amy Morton.
Speaker: Amy Morton. It's her first role. Steppenwolf actress. Yeah. Extraordinaire. her first movie role. Yeah. Amy Morton. Um, is, uh, as well. So we move, um, she applies for reception and she's like, well, I've never done that. And, um, I've, I've answered the phone before. I've answered lots of phones. Yeah, the the receptionist is, like, saying, you can't do this, which I don't know why the receptionist gets to hire her with of her own recognizance. Like, she doesn't get anyone's permission to hire her, which is funny.
Speaker: Yeah. um I mean, I guess good for WNDY to give her that much... um Leeway? Leeway. Yeah. um So, but she starts to help her. Like, you know, she's like, well, I'm getting a divorce and immediately starts giving her like advice and talking to her. And so she makes friends with the receptionist and then she gets the job.
Speaker: Yeah. So she's working this the switchboard. We meet Griffin Dunn and Philip Bosco, yeah who are the station owner and the the radio station manager.
Speaker: And they're talking about how they've got to get a new radio psychologist. And now the 90s were huge for radio psychologists. yeah i mean, most famously, the fictional Dr. Fraser Crane, of course. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was a radio psychologist. But like this was a real thing in the was a real thing, yeah. People wanted and like to get advice from doctors. Yeah.
Speaker: on For free on the radio. um Which I guess makes sense. And this movie kind of concerns itself with the moral implications of that. I mean, how much can someone know by talking to you for two minutes and maybe you're lying to them, you know? so And how much responsibility do you have for bad things that happen because of something that you say?
Speaker: yeah um Which is something that this movie like kind of seriously deals with, which is also strange for this kind of lighthearted rom-com. It's kind of like a a big script. Like the more I talk about this movie, the more I like it in the abstract. And then I remember like James Woods just doesn't work. yeah Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: It's so close to being like I know, but it's so close to being like a really good movie. I know. You just got to look past it. You just got to look past it. Except for the most important thing in the movie, the romance. Which is the romance. You just got to look past it. You got to look past it. He's gone for almost 40 minutes. Yeah. He's not in a lot of this movie. Maybe like half an hour. There's like half an hour where he doesn't show up at all. Yeah. We're dealing with the work stuff. So the workplace comedy stuff of this works really well.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. but um So they hired a new person, a new, a lady PhD psychologist who is named Dr. Kendall.
Speaker: Now Dolly's name is Shirley Kenyon. Yeah. Yep. And she's going to get coffee and manages to stumble her way into the DJ booth. Yeah. Where Dr. Kendall didn't show up. So producer um Charles Fleischer, who is her producer now, Charles Fleischer, of course, is the voice of Roger Rabbit.
Speaker: Yep. And he's a big comedian um ah who's got some movie roles, but is primarily known for comedy and for being Roger Rabbit. yeah is ah like, okay, so Dr. Kendall, and she goes, no, no, it's Kenyon, and I'm not a doctor. He's like, okay, sit down, sit down, sit down. you're yeah And she like takes over the call-in show role, and she just takes to it beautifully, and she's immediately giving advice to people. yeah Griffin Dunn is in his car listening, and he's like,
Speaker: This sucks. I can't do this. Yeah. And this is um the moment Charlie was just like, this is the most accurate representation of Lakeshore Drive I've ever seen in my entire life, which is he's in just bumper to bumper traffic on Lakeshore Drive and everyone's driving like a maniac. And um and he's just like trying to get to the station so fast. And he's just like, because this is terrible. What is she doing? What what is this? She's supposed to be a doctor.
Speaker: Yeah, because she's like, well, I don't know. that's That's the most horrible thing I've ever heard, you know? Yeah, yeah. She's like genuinely listening to them and like yes genuinely emoting to these people. Yes, yes. She's being very real. She's giving them, you might say, straight talk.
Speaker: Now he, yeah, so he, he pulls a Yui on Lakeshore Drive and like yeah gets back to the station. The show is over by the time he gets there. And he's like, this is crazy. Like, you're not Dr. Kendall. You're not the woman hired. What are you doing? You're fired. And he fires the producer as well. Yeah. Cause he was like, it was my fault. I thought she was. And so I made her get on the air and he goes, great. Okay. Well then you're both fired.
Speaker: um The first caller that she gets, the woman who's like my son beat up my husband. Yeah. Yeah. That's Jane Lynch. Yeah. Yeah. That's Jane Lynch. There's a lot of those in here. Yes. I mean, anytime you have radio on a movie, they're going to get some like voices, but like these were unknowns. They just became famous later.
Speaker: Yeah. Um, ah she calls Michael Madsen and to gloat over having his bowling bag and tells him that she's doing great, but she's not doing great. Uh, and there's a sad song that she wrote for this movie that plays.
Speaker: That goes, I'm a sad song. Blue, blue, blue. something like that. Blue, blue, blue, She's, did she only bring one dress? Because the next day she's wearing the same dress and the denim jacket again. I think so. Yeah.
Speaker: She had to have more than one dress. I mean, don't know. She sort of packed in a rush. Yeah. She gets picked up the next morning from her hostel by a limo driver who's like, I'm here to take you back to the radio station. And she's like, well, they already yelled at me enough.
Speaker: Yeah. And Griffin Dunn loves her now. He's like, we've got all these... telegrams from people saying they love you. i was like, fucking Christ. Telegrams in 1992. Listen, I don't really, i remember very little of 1992. I was very young, yeah but I did not know we were still sending telegrams in 1992. Neither did I. I mean, I found out recently that you can still send a telegram today. Western Union.
Speaker: Yeah. it's It's a little bit more difficult. it it only but became Western Union shut down their main telegram operations in 2015 only. But like you can still send a telegram. It's a little difficult, but you can do it.
Speaker: um What? i I don't know why. i guess it's more secure than um the like the postal service or like an email. Okay. Okay.
Speaker: So like, I mean, wiring money is still, you know, technically done by, by, by by wire, you know, by telegram. Um, so there, because it is secure, I guess, but like, I don't know, I guess you can still do it. Hey, maybe it'll be a, when we get our shit together and we make our Patreon, that'll be a, one of the levels is if you subscribe to a certain amount of money, we will send you a telegram. Send you a telegram. Send you a telegram.
Speaker: Okay. That's fine. Yeah. I'm into that. Yeah. So they negotiate her salary. They negotiate her salary. And he starts off saying $500 a week and then goes up to $800 week. Yeah. Which $800 a week, my favorite website, the Inflation Calculator. How much it? It's $1,900. almost $2,000 a week.
Speaker: Oh, my God. Which for working 10 hours week, oh my god which for working ten hours a week because it's two hours a day five days week yeah So for 10 hours, that's $200 an hour, which is pretty good.
Speaker: Pretty good. Dolly's got it. Pretty good. um Oh, yeah. Must be nice. but But he's like, you have to be Dr. Shirley. It has to be a doctor. You know, Philip Bosco, my boss, the station owner, is like, we have to have a Ph.D. And she's like, well, I didn't even go to college. He's like, that's fine. We'll lie. He's yeah he's a liar. And so, again, another theme in this is about, you know, who becoming who you say you are. Right. Talk is the difference between this almost like identity crisis between who you are and what you pretend to be.
Speaker: She doesn't want to lie, but he talks her into it. Yeah. She doesn't want to, she wants to be as truthful as possible. And he's just like, but you're a doctor of the heart. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And then she mentions her ex-husband Leland, how she's been married three times. And he's like, well, that won't fly. We can't tell anybody any of this. I'll make up your past for you. yeah Don't talk to anybody. Don't give any interviews. Like nobody can know anything about you.
Speaker: Which today wouldn't matter. I mean, lots of people, and in in in the 90s too, lots of people called themselves doctor who weren't doctors. Exactly. She's a doctor of the heart. She's a doctor of the heart.
Speaker: He's going to make all that shit up. And like people, maybe in the 1992, people would care that she had been divorced three times. I mean, it doesn't necessarily, like you want a position of authority, I suppose, to give people advice, especially about relationships.
Speaker: Yeah. But like- You know, I don't know anything about my therapist's personal life. I don't know how many times she's been divorced. Like, why do I care? Exactly. Not my problem. Well, because real, I mean, the difference between, and they kind of get to this in this movie, like the difference between real like psychology versus like just somebody giving you advice is they're not telling you what to do.
Speaker: yeah Like there's this, there's this bit later on where where it's like, it It has to be about discovering it for yourself. And a psychologist can give you a a different like view of of your life because they're a third party and because they're not you know in ah in some kind of relationship with you, with a um They can give you a perspective that you wouldn't otherwise see, but they're not telling you what to do. yeah um And that's something that this kind of movie this movie also kind of deals with. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And then we have the straight talk song, which I kind of love. Straight talk. Straight talk. I'm doing straight talk. Hold sugar. yeah Very good.
Speaker: This is when I realized that the movie, the song that was were written for the movie, because she's like, you can hear me on the radio, call and ask me questions. I'm like, holy shit. um They give her a pink Mercedes.
Speaker: I love it. It's so cute. It's so, so cute. Then we got to see fucking James Woods again, unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately. And he's eating raw oysters complaining at the television, which is like, aren't we supposed to like this guy? Like, why this movie, like, you've already got this cadaverous creep playing him Yeah.
Speaker: Why do we now, like, the movie's going out of its way to make him a ah weirdo loser asshole. And I don't understand. Yeah. Like, You can have their relationship start with a conflict and you can have even the plot lines that happen in this where he's like at odds with her and trying to investigate her. But you don't have to have him like eating one of the most disgusting things you could eat on screen.
Speaker: I mean, I love a good oyster. Listen, I'm not saying, listen, oysters are kind of still alive and um they ah like don't remember the ocean. Don't oysters me. Don't ruin oysters for me.
Speaker: But aside from that, even before I was a vegetarian, I ate yeah i ate oysters. um Yeah. Yeah. But like, they are a disgusting thing to eat on screen. Yes. They are not attractive. Chicken wings, oysters. Like yeah those are things you have people eat on the screen. Ribs. Ribs. There is a there's a semiotic attached to those things that is yeah disgusting. We are signifying that this person is disgusting when you eat raw oysters on screen. Yes. It's not attractive. It's slurpy. It's loud. It's gross.
Speaker: Yes. Yes. And he's eating a lot of them also.
Speaker: um And he's complaining about like to the TV because he's an asshole. Yeah. um And we realized that she is getting very popular. This is a a new a local news segment on Dr. Shirley and how much everyone loves her.
Speaker: Yeah. She's getting super, super popular. She's all over Chicago. Her billboards are everywhere. Like she is ah some might say the talk of the town. Yeah. Yeah. Um, ah they go to the shed aquarium. Uh, there's a fundraiser for something. She goes with Griffin Dunn. He says, you've made me very proud of myself. Entire time. He's just like, yes, I did such a great job discovering you. I did so good. I am so good.
Speaker: He's a delightful little creep. Um, and, uh, James Woods breaks in there, ah um by lying to people at the front. yeah to To creep on her because he's decided and he tells Jerry Orbach he's going to do an expose on her because nobody knows anything about her. And he's going to investigate her and bring her down. That is his yeah goal.
Speaker: Exactly. And it's just sort of like, come on, dude. Again, like, again, if you, this is a specifically, like, that is a fine rom-com trope. It happens all the time where, like, you start an opposition. And even, like, someone who's trying to, like, ruin the other person's life is a common rom-com trope. Yeah. But that person especially has to be extra charming for you to them. Like, look Matthew McConaughey in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. Like, that's a great example. Great example. Yeah. And Matthew McConaughey, super, super charming.
Speaker: i So charming that whenever he says um insane things about women, you're like, this is fine. Well, I mean, yeah I mean, at beginning he does that as well, but like he is, yeah, no matter, no matter how like ah much of a creep they have him that that this character start out to be, it obviously you have to soften him as the movie goes along. The actor has to have that project this sense of charm that James Woods isn't capable of doing.
Speaker: Yes. And I just, it's such a shame. um I hate to keep harping on that, but like it's every scene is like, God, this would have been better with somebody else. Yeah.
Speaker: But you know, hindsight's 20, 20. Maybe they'll remake it with Sabrina Carpenter. Well, it's funny because like Dolly said that she really liked him. um She said he was great and they had a lot of fun together. They both had nothing but but wonderful things to say. Apparently the shoot was, was a breeze and everyone had a great time. and love that.
Speaker: Yeah, she's like, he's a good kisser. Like, I mean, he was and a big actor. Like, I mean, big-ish. But like, he certainly wasn't a comic actor and he certainly wasn't a leading man. This was a strange role for him, in um even at the time.
Speaker: But, Katie, I love you very much. You get one more negative thing to say. About James Woods? About James Woods. And then you got to put it away.
Speaker: You got to put it away. We're done. This can't be an anti-James Woods podcast. We can't be talking more about James Woods than Dolly Parton.
Speaker: You're so right. I'm done. I'm done with James Woods. We're done. And we're done. And we're done. Moving on. and She reads him about his romantic life. She's like, you know, you date these women that, you know, look different, but are all the same inside. They're cornflakes. You keep finding cornflakes and you need to date somebody who's different. And for some reason, for some reason she likes him.
Speaker: And they, when, when he go, he walks her to the limo and cause like, um, Griffin Dunn is there trying to get her to like meet people and like network. And like and she's she's like, she's like, I got to get out of here.
Speaker: She, he goes, he walks her to her car and she's like, you know, you should go out with somebody else. And he's like, how about Friday? And she goes, it's a date. And he's like, really? but he's yeah Even he's surprised.
Speaker: Yeah. He's like, okay. And they go to the pump room, which was... yeah World famous Chicago fancy restaurant that closed in 2017.
Speaker: He can't get get a table, but she can. Nope. Yep. Because she's she is the doctor about town. The waiter is famous character actor Tom Amandes. Everybody's somebody in this.
Speaker: And he's like asking her about her past. um He's like, where did you lose your virginity? which Yeah. Like first question. Yeah. She's Louise. And she says like, you know, it was, um I was a high school cheerleader. I lost it under the bleachers after the, we lost the big state championship game to to cheer up my boyfriend because he was so sad.
Speaker: Yeah. oh Dolly. Yeah. He asks her who was the opposing team. And now he's got him the information he needs. He's slowly leeching her for information. But he does like her immediately. He is charmed by I mean, it's hard not to like her. She's so lovely. Yeah. um This is where she says that she has, she keeps her money in her panty drawer. And he's like, why don't you keep it in a bank? And she's like, well, I think it's probably safer there, especially nowadays. Plus, if someone were to rob me, I'd rather it be someone who needs the money than the vice president of a bank. And I'm like, holy shit.
Speaker: Preach, girl. What's going on in this movie? Preach, Dolly. Preach. Of course, ah Griffin Dunn, who's apparently following them, I don't know. Yeah. Shows up.
Speaker: He's just like, what what you doing? Where are you going? hi Yeah. um ah He finally gets her to move out of the the shitty hostel that she's staying in and gets her in Lakeshore Tower, which I think we talked, I think another movie had a a scene in Lakeshore Tower, right? Did we talk about this?
Speaker: I think it was um ah While You Were Sleeping. Is it? Okay, it might have been While You Were Sleeping. It's like his it be his fancy apartment. His fancy apartment is in Lakeshore Tower. Yes, yes. Yeah. Well, her fancy apartment. In night in the early 90s, the fanciest place in Chicago was Lakeshore Tower, which. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, it's pretty fancy. It sucks, but it's pretty fancy. it's It's pretty fancy. The whole. do we We probably talked about it on the While You Were Sleeping episode, but the people like circumvented a bunch of Chicago laws about like where you could have commercial real estate like that by doing landfill out inside the lake. Yeah, it's a whole thing. We don't need to get into that again.
Speaker: And this is when she says, like, men want to change me or use me or hurt me. Never just love me. um and And then they ah they kiss. Yeah.
Speaker: And then they have a TV interview. She yeah has not given any interviews and Griffin Dunn's finally like, okay, well, I guess we got to do something. Um, so we'll go on TV, which there, there's some talk show that they're doing like, um, a special on psychiatrists on the radio. And so it's her. It's like a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's a big deal. And the guy's like this, like hardball, like, I want to be mean to everyone, especially women.
Speaker: Character actor Jay Thomas as the host of the show. Yeah. And, uh, and there's this other like stuffy doctor who like went to Harvard and blah, blah, blah. It's fucking Spalding Gray. Oh.
Speaker: So you'll remember Spalding Gray also shows up randomly. in Kate and Leopold. And I was like, is celebrated monologuist Spaulding Gray in this silly rom-com? Well, he's in another one. Spaulding Gray very famously did a bunch of monologues, like big theatrical pieces. Some of them were made into movies. Gray's Anatomy, um Swimming to Cambodia, which is the one about his work on the Killing Fields movie. Oh. He did these things. He was on on stage, seated at a desk, and he would just talk.
Speaker: That was the whole show. um And they were fascinating. And he's a deeply interesting, like, really cool writer and guy. um And he's got these bit parts in these rom-coms, and I kind of love him for that. It's very cute.
Speaker: He was a working actor before and after he became famous for the the theatrical stuff. But still, it's just funny that he shows up in this. Yeah. And he comes in and he's just like, I'm super stuffy and blah, blah, blah. And they're like, well, the only way that we can, you know, determine who's right and who's wrong between these two psychiatrists is to ah have a caller live on air. And they both give their advice because.
Speaker: And so he takes it right away and it's sort of leaning towards Him from like production standpoint, they're sort of like really like pushing his viewpoint forward versus hers. And a psychiatrist. He's a medical doctor. Also, he's a psychiatrist. So they they kind of like frame that as being better than her supposedly who has a PhD in psychology, too. So that's part of it as well.
Speaker: Yeah. And so he's just like, it's this woman and she's just like, my husband's cheating on me. i don't want to leave him. i asked him to stop. He won't stop. um i just, I don't know what to do. And the the dude is like, so what I'm hearing is How's your sex life?
Speaker: Are you bad in bed? sucks so bad. This is your fault. I feel like this is your fault. So you should just, you know, um suck it up and just... Continue on because it sounds like this is your fault. You suck. It's so misogynist. It's so misogynist. And Dolly Parton's like, excuse me? Absolutely not. And she goes, it is not your fault. it It sounds like your man is just sort of, he is a player and you don't need to put up with that. Otherwise, how are you going to love yourself? And, um, and the, the other guys just sort like, where'd you go to school? That's stupid advice. And she goes, where'd study?
Speaker: I studied. She can't like think of it. And she goes, she goes, I studied at the university of what is it? Like screw you. I went to screw you. Yeah. I went to screw you. And everyone loves her for it. And then, so this just.
Speaker: Well, also she's, and also she's right. You know, like this guy's an asshole and she like, she, she, roasts both of them like the host yeah and this guy on tv and and it only like increases her fame for sure yeah exactly exactly well and the thing is that she says because he's like you don't like yourself and you're bad in bed and that's why your husband left you and she's like the way to like yourself again is to get rid of this guy who's bringing you down like yeah Leave him and then you'll like yourself. Exactly. Exactly. And Alan, Alan is in the booth, like, and he's like grabbing onto the chairs and like trying to help direct. And the director's like, get him out of here. And he does the Arsenio whoop when everybody's applauding. It's so yeah
Speaker: It's very cute. And he's like, you're a star. You're amazing. And she's like, well, I'm Wouldn't you know? And so like, she's, she leaves, she's like so fed up and, um, she's trying to leave and he goes, where are you going? We have to like say goodbye to the host and stuff like that. and she's just like, I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker: Like, I don't, he rattled her because he, the the host says, you know, so what happens if you give somebody bad advice and something bad happens? Yeah. You know, you don't know this person, like a psychologist or a psychiatrist you know, gets a lot of background and, you know, knows as much about this person as they're willing to tell before they like give them advice. But like, you know, the misnomer there is that against like therapists don't give you advice. They don't tell you what to do.
Speaker: No. um and And she is kind of telling people what to do. And that is that is part of the the her growth because they are a little right. um yeah like they Because she is telling people what to do and she shouldn't be doing that because that can be dangerous. yeah um So it's it's really kind of nuanced, which is again, not what I expected from this movie. Yeah.
Speaker: um and then I can't remember what what happens after that well one the one thing that happens that's important is as she's leaving um the um the valet says you're a pink Mercedes and she goes no I'm Shirley like I drive a pink Mercedes yeah and she's like which is like such a great little moment where she's like I'm not going to be defined by the person that you're trying to make me into like I have to be myself and I'm not going to get distracted by who I say I am or who you say I am. yeah um Which is really kind of lovely. Right?
Speaker: um ah Then we have Sean, which is the caller that she has the next day, who is Pulitzer Prize winning playwright Tracy Letts. it They got two Steppenwolves for this couple. They got a Tracy Letts and an Amy Morton.
Speaker: Oh my God, I just i just put that together. that That's his wife. Yeah. No, no, it's not his wife. His wife is um Carrie Coon. No, no, no. meant the character's wife. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah Carrie Coon was a 10-year soldier this movie. Yeah, i was going to say, the no it's not Carrie Coon. No, I mean, um ah but yes, i did I didn't put together that the the two of their their characters were married and they're both yeah people. Yeah, that's very. yeah um Tracy Letts, who was just it was a young actor at this point. yeah I'm not sure if this is his first part. I'm not sure. Movie role is Sean, who is ah sober and his wife won't stop drinking.
Speaker: um And which is a very serious problem. yeah And is like, I don't want to leave her, but I also, you know, can't put up with this. She refuses to stop drinking. She refuses to get sober. And like, it's going to make me drink again by being around her. And she's like, well, do you have kids? And he says, no Yeah. And she basically tells him that you've got to leave her.
Speaker: Like yeah she has to, she has to help herself. You can't help her if you're constantly being tempted. Yeah, she says you need to give her an optimma ultimatum. Either she quits drinking or you quit the relationship. yeah so if she can't quit drinking for you guys to stay together, that means she loves drink she loves drinking more than she loves you. and then yeah And you need to get out of there. And so we don't hear from him again.
Speaker: um She says, she says a bird and a fish can fall in love, but where will they live? Which is also said in Ever After. Ever After. bird may love a fish, monsieur, but where will they live?
Speaker: Fucking love that movie so much. Which I think I thought was from Ever After, but apparently that's a very old saying and I'm parent an idiot. Because we're not, they're Ever After's not a time traveler movie.
Speaker: Yes. Yes. ah But yeah. um So um they want to take her national. ah They're going to syndicate her and take her everywhere. And then Jack is digging into her past. He found the football team.
Speaker: yeah So he found out. goes down to Arkansas. He goes to Arkansas and he finds Michael Madsen in a bar, which what luck. ah Right.
Speaker: Well, it's a small town. He's asking around about her. And Michael Madsen's like, yeah, I know Shirley Kenyon. And, yeah um, He and then this prick, ah James Woods, comes back to Chicago and he's like, why don't we go dancing? It's like, yeah, i'm son of a bitch.
Speaker: Right. Now knows everything about her. He knows she used be a dancing instructor. Exactly. Because he goes to the dance school. But he can't help but be charmed by her. And he tells her this story where he's like, you know, I got caught up in this lie once where I was, I had this idea for a novel. I was going to write the novel and everybody at work was like, Hey, have you started that novel? have you started that novel? And I felt bad. So finally one day I just said, yeah, I started it. And then they were like, Hey, how's a novel going? I'm like, Oh, it's going. And then everybody's like, Hey, did you finish that novel? And then finally I was like, yeah, I finished the novel. And in reality, I haven't even started writing it yet. Yep.
Speaker: he's like kind of pushing her to, to, and she completely ignores him. Like she yeah like does not, does not get in for a second. like What are you talking about? What, what are you doing the Foxtrot or, or the something, something? There's a lot of notes about ah that I'm going to ignore because they're also, they're all about James Woods. And we have said no more James Woods talk.
Speaker: He goes up to her apartment with her. He goes up to her apartment. Yep. And they sing. Well, first first Michael Madsen shows up. Oh, yeah.
Speaker: And he's like, hey, you look familiar. Don't I know you? And he's like, nope don't know what you're talking about. Yep. Because, like, they don't ever, like, seriously get face-to-face in the bar. They're, like across the bar, and it's of dark. Yeah. Yeah. um They immediately get into a fight. He punches him. And Dolly Parton gives Michael Madsen his bowling bag back. Yeah. Get out here. out here.
Speaker: there she's like, well, are you gonna come into the bedroom? And he's like, well, I've got something I got to tell you. And she's like, Are you gay? And he's like, No, she's like, Are you married? And he's like, No, those will it keep?
Speaker: And he says, Yes. And I'm like, not really, man. No, really. It's not gonna keep that well. I feel like this is going to probably ruin a lot of things, so maybe he should tell you before you guys bang, but ah apparently both of your um libidos are going.
Speaker: Yeah, she's got a real wide arm for him at this point. um Yeah. And they do this little scene where the camera stays on the door. Yeah. like his It goes on for a little long, actually. It goes on for so long.
Speaker: And then finally she like just drops her bra on top of his clothes. And we hear him go, holy moly. Yeah. Yeah. he goes Which is a boob, Joe. but Because she's got big boobs.
Speaker: Get it? Big famous thing about Dolly Parton. Yeah. Yeah. And so then the next morning he leaves her a little note and and flowers and flowers. And he's like, I'll be back or I'll see you later. Meet us at our coffee shop. Yeah. Yeah. no yeah And, um,
Speaker: ah her ex comes back and he's just like i remember where i saw that man again let me tell you and um and he tells dolly parton it's not on camera she just is seen um stomping into the coffee place and well well first first we see james woods tell jerry orbach oh yeah he's not i'm not gonna i'm not writing the story which like This doesn't happen in a lot of rom-coms. Again, this is something that like in a lot of rom-coms, the story goes ahead and gets published. I mean, famously in 10 Things I Hate About You and in Never Been Kissed, the articles come out.
Speaker: yeah This movie, he stops it before it happens and quits the paper, which is crazy. Yeah. And he goes, well, then you're fired. He's like, you can't fire me. i quit.
Speaker: Yeah. And he's there at the coffee shop with like his little banker's box of stuff from his office, which he doesn't even notice. yeah um And she's just like, I can't believe that you you were researching me. And you went all the way down. Why did you go all the way down to Arkansas? And da-da-da. And he's like, no, no, no, you're not understanding. No, no, no. ah I'm not writing the article. And, well, no, he doesn't he doesn't even say that. He says, you don't understand.
Speaker: To which Charlie got all up in arms and he goes, I don't understand why he can't just tell her the truth. Well, he he does. that very day On the way to the bus, he says, i I killed the article. It's not coming out. And I quit the paper. But by that point, she doesn't care. She's too mad.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly. And also, he's like, he does tell her, you lied too. yeah know You lied about who you were. Then we have another montage ah of her working. And then Jack keeps calling her. but Oh, his name is Jack, by the way. I think we call him James Woods in every single Yeah, well, because it's James Woods.
Speaker: Jack keeps calling her and she's ignoring it. um And they're leaving there. They haven't gotten national. They're about to go national. And she's at this, like, she's going in and there's like a crowd of people. And this is when Amy Morton, who is Sean's wife, the caller comes in to accost her. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, you tell people what to do without knowing them.
Speaker: And again, she's right. And she's like, you know, my, I was trying to get, I finally got sober. I was trying to get sober for the kids. And she's like, well, he said he didn't have any kids. And she goes, people lie. People lie. People are on the radio. They know people are listening. They're not going to give you all of the facts. They're going to tell you what is okay for other people to hear. yeah And again,
Speaker: so true like is the problem with radio call and advice shows. um And ah she's like, well, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry. And she's like, well, you ruined my life. Yeah.
Speaker: Which is not a hundred percent, not a hundred percent true, but she does feel bad. And she does rightfully hit, but feel bad. And this is where Griffin done gets a hit by the, the wind sock on the, ah the big giant boom mic. Oh Yeah.
Speaker: and is like not in the rest of the movie presumably he died yeah yeah he's dead um and so then she goes on the radio and she's just like i can't i can't do this i have to tell my truth i have to tell my truth i can't i can't continue on i'm laughing at griffin dunn getting hit by the boom
Speaker: I'm so sorry. okay. We spent like 30 minutes complaining about James Woodson. I have to go in 10 minutes. Okay. Okay. Keep going. Keep going. Okay. I love you so much. She has a meltdown. She has a meltdown. And, um, and so she's just like, I have to tell my truth. I have to be honest with the people. I'm not a doctor. I i don't have any like training or anything. i just, I got, I accidentally fell into this job and all I wanted to do was, you know, help people. And, um, and I just, I can't, but sometimes I guess helping people can like hurt people's lives and I can't do this anymore. And so then she's says like, I quit. And she runs off.
Speaker: She gives the car keys back to Philip Bosco, the owner, and he's like, well, you still need a car. And she goes, nobody needs $60,000 I'm like, holy shit.
Speaker: um yeah And then we have the, then we have the James at Woods airport scene where he's trying to find her. No, he can't find her anywhere. She's not at the coffee shop. She's, you know, not anywhere that he, he knows.
Speaker: um And then Philip Bosco has taken over, like taking calls in the DJ booth. And this woman is like, we need to to tell Shirley that we care about her. And I was thinking like, since she always says honk your own horn,
Speaker: We could all honk our horns at midnight to show Shirley that we care. And Philip Bosco, who's apparently a big sweetheart, is like, yeah, let's do it. We all love Shirley. Because, like, Griffin Dunn was like, this guy's an asshole. And he says we have to have a PhD. So that's why we have to lie. So that was all in his head. Yeah.
Speaker: And he gives this. So he finally finds her because she's out on the bridge. She's on the bridge again. Same place where they met. Yeah. And he goes out and he gives this whole speech to her about how Chicago needs her.
Speaker: Yeah. And he's like, you know, he, Sean called in ah to the radio after you left. And he's like, he was, he was going to leave her anyway. He didn't need advice. He just needed someone to agree with him.
Speaker: And that's what you did. Like, it's not your fault that, you know, this happened. It's just, you know, something that, that, you know, you, We're tangentially involved in. Yeah. It sucks. But, you know, that is what it is what happens. Yeah. And he goes, um then people are starting to honk their horns. And ah she's like, what is that? He goes, people are honking their horn.
Speaker: She goes, they're honking for me. And he goes, everybody that everybody that loves you is honking their horn. But he's not honking his horn. he Well, not yet. And she says, um I don't, oh yeah, because he's right there by his car. Yeah, he's right there by his car. And I'm like, my dude. She says I don't have another fresh start in me. And he starts, she starts to walk away. And that's when he honks his horn. Yeah. And I think that's pretty cute.
Speaker: All right. And ah he says he's sick of cornflakes. And then they kiss. Yeah. Yeah, and then the Chicago police. This is when they're like, release the woman and put your hands on your head.
Speaker: Because he's menacing and weird. Okay. And she goes, and she goes, she, she, we you have her back at the radio station. She she goes, I'm just Shirley. What's cooking? Yeah. And then they, they play the song straight talk again. And we get this pan over the Chicago skyline as the credits start going up. And then the best thing happens in this movie. Did you get this far? Did you turn it off? No, I turned it off.
Speaker: Fuck, Emma, you've got to stop turning the movie off. I'm sorry, it's at the end. She gets another call, and it's um this person who's saying, this this trans woman is calling and saying, I you know i know that i I'm going to do it, and i I'm going to transition. I'm going to make the change, is what they say. um She goes, do you have any advice for me? And I'm like, this is 1992. Like, they're going to make a joke out of this trans character. And I'm like, immediately, like, like oh no. Did they just ruin this movie in the last second? And Dolly goes, well, if that's who you really are, that's what you have to do. And she goes, the only advice, I can only give you two pieces of advice.
Speaker: One, never try to perm your own hair. And two, never wear heels and on soggy ground. And that's the end of the movie. I'm oh! Holy shit.
Speaker: Like the easiest joke in the world in 1992 would have been to make fun of the trans person. And somehow this movie subverts even that. That's amazing. And that's the last thing that happens. And it's just, it's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker: I need to stop turning off the movies when they say the end. But in my fault, in my defense, it even had the thingy on the screen that said the end. So I was like, okay. Okay. Yeah, but especially comedies have little bits, you know, partway through the credits sometimes, yeah. Yeah. um ah it's ah It's lovely. It's such a lovely movie. It's so sweet.
Speaker: So much of the movie works really well, except for the one thing that doesn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah Which we've talked about, Katie.
Speaker: She got so mad at me this episode, y'all. No! Just there's only so many times we can say we don't like James Woods before it gets repetitive. Maybe I'll cut some of them out and then make you seem like you're mean to me. Maybe that's what I'll do.
Speaker: Okay. Well, fine. I'll do a whole smash cut on socials of you talking about James Woods. Allegedly. Allegedly. He's a bad person. um ah Next week...
Speaker: What are we doing next week, Emma? Next week it is Get Your Ghouls.
Speaker: It's time again. Yeah. we're doing We're doing an extra week again this year. We added an extra week for our third annual Go Get Your Ghoul. And this year, guys, it's going to be so much fun. We're starting off with a sequel from our first year.
Speaker: One of emma Emma's favorite um scary movie franchises, Scream. That's right, guys. We're going death college. It's Scream 2. Scream 2, baby.
Speaker: pew, um Also, Steppenwolf Connection in Scream 2. Oh, yeah. Very true. Yeah. um Amazing. Well, shall we outro? Let's outro because you have to go to work. I have to go to work.
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