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S2 Episode 10 - Hate it or rate it - Yoga, Ice baths, Mocktails..
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Introductions and Weekly Reflections
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Working It Out. I'm Lewis. And I'm Ben. What do you do, Ben? I run a creative agency in Norwich. Nice. I'm an online coach. Just to ah just make sure everyone knows. Because apparently we've got to do this as if we are doing the podcast for someone for the first time, every time.
00:00:18
Speaker
Which we are happy to do. Yes. How's your week been, mate? It's been good. Yeah. It's been a very productive week. Enjoyed some of the weather as well. um Yeah. I'm pretty feeling pretty positive this week. How about you? Good. Thanks, mate. You seem less stressed this week. I think the stress was quite high last week. You got a little cup of tea. I brought a cup of tea down with me today. That was nice. A little Friday evening afternoon cup of tea. Yeah, I think I'm gonna do that every time, actually. You should. Yeah. You should. Sets us off in a nice vibe. It does. Yeah, you're not a tea drinker, though, are you? No. Do you know what? I only started... You don't drink coffee, though, do you? No.
Energy Drinks and Health Implications
00:00:50
Speaker
I only started drinking coffee because I had... I was developing a problem with energy drinks. I think I have that problem. Yeah. So, like, when I used to work um at the butchers, I would... I went for a phase of, like, get there at seven in the morning.
00:01:06
Speaker
walk over the road grab myself a monster yeah to to get me going for the day this sounds very relatable and then it would be like pop over and maybe get another one at like 11 get one at like two yep um and i was like first of all i don't know how much they were then this is quite a while ago but um i used to get like the The doctor one, do you remember? Yeah. The orange ah yellow one. Yeah. But they're like 300 calories a piece. Yeah. The full sugar ones. I only have the zero sugar. Yeah. Me me too, because they're as good now. But at the time I was getting the full sugar ones. So it was like, as't I don't know. I remember having an original monster. Yeah. That taste was just crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like seven to 900 calories a day.
00:01:54
Speaker
Just on energy drinks. yeah bad times yeah I was actually like in okay shape then. i'd actually Did you find that all day you were just absolutely buzzing? No. Just feeling tired. yeah I was buzzing for the first one. yeah Felt really good but then you get that crash. yeah It's not good. By like five o'clock I'd be shattered, but my sleep routine was bad, fairly bad. I think sometimes as well, I went to the gym before work, sometimes I get up at five and go to the gym. I've probably had some caffeine before. Yeah. A lot of caffeine, isn't it? A lot of caffeine. And touring. Yeah.
00:02:27
Speaker
and But do you know what, like full sugar monster reminds me of like weatherspoons, you know? Did you ever like a vodka Red Bull, but they just put monster in it? When they put monster in, yeah. Yeah. I don't think I could drink the whole monster now, minging. No, just the smell alone is like fumes. Yeah. Do you remember a ripper?
00:02:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I never had to still do that. Relentless. Yeah. I used to, I used to love the Apple and Kiwi relentless. Not had it. I don't know if they do that anymore. And then there was like, um, did you ever have a rock star? Yeah. Rock star energy. Yeah. I used to, it was one of them that was like, you've tried all of them. Even more caffeine. It was like, I don't know, 300 milligrams or something. Some of them like rocket fuel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:11
Speaker
God, I miss it. Those were the days. Worst things to be addicted to, I think. Every now and again, I don't think it's a bad thing. You can get a little pick me up, but... Yeah. i So i I just got into coffee because it was cheaper. It still hit my caffeine fix, but there's much less caffeine in a coffee. If you can get a ball with the taste, yeah. I'm just not a fan. Not a coffee taste too bitter,
Supplements and Wellness Practices
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Speaker
yeah. I had to face myself, like force myself. Yeah. A bit like, I don't know, alcohol for the first time. Yeah. Do you... um I forgot what I was going to say about that. I was thinking about alcohol. What was the energy drink that I was trying to think of then? Oh no, I was thinking of pre-workouts. Do you ever try them? Have you ever had a pre-workout?
00:03:51
Speaker
Not for a long time. The only time I usually ever have them nowadays, if they come as like a gift, you know, they give you little tester things. I can't say I've ever found anything that tastes that nice. They always taste really chemically, I find. They're kind of like an energy that's gone flat. You know what I mean? Really syrupy. Yeah. I like them. Not necessarily the taste, but I think they work really well. But you normally train in the afternoon or the evening, don't you?
00:04:19
Speaker
It's not ideal yeah because you know they see these people go out like a full scoop of pre-workout to train at like eight o'clock in the evening. Yeah, and then you're wired. Yeah, absolutely wired. Yeah. Worst night's sleep at home. I do like them though. So I rarely drink Monster because I drink, I'll have like a pre-workout or coffee. yeah yeah interested Not adverse to it. Interesting start there. So what we're going to do this week, we're just going to do a few of
00:04:50
Speaker
I hate it or rate it. So there's like a few things here that, I don't know, I think these are all like things I don't rate to be fair, but like a few things I wanted to talk about. So like what's your view on like an ice bath? This has grown in like popularity big time. I've seen a lot of people doing it.
00:05:13
Speaker
and people talk really positively about it. So I assume there must be some benefits. yeah But it's not something I'll try myself. i have ah In the past I have done like the cold shower thing in the morning. How did you find it? After getting over that initial shock, it is quite a nice feeling. I hate it.
00:05:32
Speaker
Sorry, not a nice feeling. I feel the effect of it. That's what I should say. Just the shock. the Suddenly you're awake. How long do you stay under the freezing cold shower? Less than a couple of minutes probably. That's long though. Yeah, but you have to also, if you're going to do it, you have to let your body get somewhat used to it. Otherwise you just get dipping in and out. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. i've never I never sort of timed it. It wasn't a proper ritual thing. I just thought I'm going to give it a go.
00:05:59
Speaker
But yeah, the initial feeling is is horrible. yeah And even then, after a minute or so, your body doesn't really get used to it. You just, yeah, I can deal with it. um I am curious, I would quite like to try. yeah nothing I guess the more you do it, you yeah kind of your body gets conditioned somewhat to it. Do you know what? I've come into this one with like,
00:06:19
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coming in a quite a hostile way. But to be fair, like I can't ah can't say I've actually ever tried. I think my problem with it is like people will choose it instead of choosing like a low hanging fruit. yeah So they're like, oh, I'm really stressed with work. and Or whatever like whatever their problem is. But instead of- Straight to the ice bar. They're like, um' I've ordered an ice bar. yeah And you're like, oh, maybe she was just gets to bed earlier. Yeah.
00:06:47
Speaker
Yeah, i was I was going to say I see a lot of people using it as a fix. I don't think it is. it's I guess if you're already in peak fitness and you're looking for another little 5% somewhere or a bit of yeah extra recovery, i whatever it it might do, then that might help. But it is hard to not to sort of look at some things and not think it's a bit of a gimmick. Yeah. I mean, it's the science kind of says that the actual benefits are Potentially non-existent, right? Okay, but I think it's more about like the resilience Isn't it like the resilience of it? And I mean it just shows that I don't have any maybe because you also you can't write off the placebo effect right exactly exactly if people are doing it and they are telling themselves that they're feeling better about it, then I yeah i mean it works psychologically it's working right yeah i think ah a lot of people as well like um we'll get one and then use it once like leave it out on the uh yeah see leave it the thing is like they're not it's not um you know it's not like swapping your sugar for sweetener is it it's quite a difficult thing to like get into the habit of especially if you've got one in the garden yeah i've definitely um
00:07:58
Speaker
seen people you know those people that i don't know if you like a like a random family member that you you have on instagram they've got like 30 followers they never post anything don't they post and then they'll post them getting at an ice bar for about nine days and they put like day one of a hundred yeah and then you could sort of see i know exactly what you mean yeah so i've sort of seen that and especially if you know them you're like what are you doing
Dining Habits and Restaurant Economics
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Speaker
i know i know like why you're trying to do this, but this is not the way that you should be potentially approaching it. So i yeah, I do feel like i'm I'm going to withdraw my statement a little bit. I don't think, I don't, do you know what's, I wanted to write a post about this. Do you know what's weird as well? You know, when you were like a kid and everyone's like, oh, where you got to wear your jumper and wrap up warm when you get a cold, yeah but getting a nice bath will make you better. So random.
00:08:47
Speaker
I'm not going to completely vice it off. I will be a bit more reserved on that one. But right now, I wouldn't say I overly rate it. No. I wouldn't say I hate it. So I'd be on the fence on that one. I'm going to go hate just to pick one. Well, that is the game. So yeah. But like with full awareness, I haven't tried it. So ridiculous, really.
00:09:10
Speaker
okay okay so this is a bit of a random one this was this was um this was from Zoe and she was like this is you okay right so going out for dinner and only ordering a main i don't really know is that something you do no okay this is my this is right if i was dieting great idea yeah i think i've done that before yeah so i'm not i don't need a starter and i don't need the dessert i just Yeah. Have the mane, yeah. I wouldn't say I'd made a habit of it. Did you know what? I'd i'd rather order two manes, which sounds sounds really greedy, but... Hmm. I've been out with people before who've had a couple of starters. Just a couple of starters? Yeah, instead of a mane. Yeah. I don't know if that'd be enough for me. Interesting way of doing things. Yeah. Would you go starter or dessert? I've got a sweet tooth. Yeah. Probably dessert. Yeah.
00:10:03
Speaker
The problem is with starters, they're a little bit like, they can be quite underwhelming sometimes, can't they? They come on such a small plate, right? You're expecting the dessert to be fairly small. I always want the starter to be more than it is. Yeah. It always feels like it's just like a little taster. Yeah. It's like a tease. Yeah. Do you know what? There's nothing worse than when you pay like 12 pounds for a starter and it comes out and it's literally like two mouthfuls. On the smallest little, yeah. And it's just got a little sauce or something next to it. Yeah. I wonder if like restaurants make a lot of money on the starters.
00:10:33
Speaker
You'd hope so. For like 12 quid. Yeah. There's definitely not 12 pounds worth of produce there. No. No. Yeah. Apparently like restaurants only make like, like a good restaurant will only make like 5% profit. Really? Out of like the turnover. I guess when you consider labour costs these days and also the cost of food. Yeah. and Energy. And so much gets like thrown away. Yeah. Because it, which is bad really.
00:10:59
Speaker
but um pat apparently like even like Michelin star restaurants because obviously you've got to pay the chef quite well yeah and and if you compare like it was like an Instagram guy that I followed was saying about if you compare like a Michelin star chef to like someone of equal talent I don't know, like, like a surgeon or something. The pay difference is like huge. Yeah, because someone's at the top of their field, you mean? Yeah, that's what I mean, yeah, yeah. So like, and unless they own the restaurant, they might not be earning. Well, they probably won't be earning what like a top surgeon would be. A lot of restaurants, I guess, and places that do food make a lot of the money is on alcohol, right? Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah. So. So definitely don't just go and buy a main.
00:11:47
Speaker
No. Because you're not supporting your local business. No, exactly. They're not going to be going for long. ah do you Do you know what I bet they make money on? It's like coke. And you've got like $4.50 for a diet coke. Yeah, and
Vices, Happiness, and Overindulgence
00:12:00
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you know what they're buying them for. Yeah, like 10p. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A bit of a random one, that one. Okay. Next one is doing what makes you happy. Okay. And this is a bit of a loaded question. Okay. Because a lot of the time doing what makes you happy is actually pretty negative.
00:12:17
Speaker
Yeah, because a lot of us are going to have things that we enjoy doing and make us feel nice, but aren't probably particularly good for you. Yeah. Right? So like a lot of people would, if if someone said to me now, do you want a yellow sweets, sit on the sofa? I feel quite happy i actually doing that, but it's not going to be good, is it? Yeah. Um, I'm a big believer in things in moderation. So yeah if it is something which might not be the healthiest or even the most productive, if you can afford to take a bit of time just to literally chill and do nothing or eat some junk food, then if you do that now and again, it's probably not the worst thing, right? If it makes you feel happy. It's probably enjoyable, more enjoyable if you don't do it often. I guess it's worse if, is it making you happy? Are you telling yourself it's making you happy? There's two different things, aren't they? So if you're just trying to cheer yourself up because actually you're sad about something and you're going to something which is a bit of a vice, then that's not true happiness. Yeah.
00:13:10
Speaker
yeah you're feeding, you know, yourself junk food and you get, oh, this tastes really nice. But deep down, it's not making you feel happy. No. You know what I mean? Cause quite often doing something that you don't, you know, if you, you know, like, like you just said, like if someone bought out a lot of sweets in now, I'd want to eat them.
00:13:29
Speaker
But like for your long-term happiness, saying no would actually make you more happy. So it depends on the question. I remember when I used to work at Tesco, especially when I was driving the van, probably like multiple times per week, I would...
00:13:44
Speaker
I can't stop thinking about the van now, some of the stories you talk about the van. So like multiple times, probably I reckon four times a week I would finish work, walk down the freezer aisle, grab like this like Chicago town takeaway pizza, which I still occasionally have. It's like a big one and the crust stuffed with sauce.
00:14:05
Speaker
And it is good, it is damn good. I think it's like 2,300 calories for one pizza, which is mad. It's a daily intake right there. It's mad, isn't it? So I'd get one of them and then I'd get potentially two bags of Haribo, like a star mix and a tang pasta. Sometimes it's 10 o'clock at night, I've finished. Go home, cook the pizza and then sit in bed and eat all of it. Consume about 3,000 calories. Probably more.
00:14:29
Speaker
Very demand, I've had a- Any energy drinks with it? No, no, no, no, try to be good. So like very much- You can last one bigger. Like some days, like at one point I worked two jobs. So like I'd had like, I'd got up at seven and I'd probably been eating all day and then sit in bed and eat 3000, three and a half thousand calories. I remember I used to like wake up in the night with like acid reflux. I can imagine. Because I've eaten- It's late as well to be eating that. A pound of sweets in bed.
00:15:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I guess you have to, I guess you have to have been there though, right? To know that. Yeah. This is, this is not, it's not good. still good Yeah. Yeah. It sounds good right now. I'm not, I'm not like, but I would never do that now.
00:15:18
Speaker
not because I think that's bad. I don't know how to explain it. I don't think it's like, what I'm trying to say is I wouldn't slay anyone for doing that. The other day I'd had, I had had a monster yeah in the morning. They got to the afternoon, went for a walk and I just thought, oh, I just, it was quite warm. I thought, oh, I just need a, just a cold drink. And there's a new Pepsi, Pepsi blue. Like it's electric. I think it's called Pepsi electric. It's blue. I can look at it. I thought that's clearly really bad for you, but it's zero sugar. I thought, oh, let's just go for it. And it tastes like,
00:15:47
Speaker
Do you remember those happy shopper shops when you're younger? They used to be on just random corners some places. It tastes like if they had tried to rip coke off. It had a really crap coke taste, but I just drank it. I was like, oh, I'm happy doing this. It was sunny. I sat there drinking it and I thought, this'll do, this'll do. Then after I felt horrible. why Then I said, why did I just do that? Why have they, they're not even trying to make it taste like a flavor anymore. They're just like,
00:16:14
Speaker
Ah, try it. Just call it blue. Tell me what it is, because it's called Pepsi Electric. For anyone that's listening, if you've tried it, I'd love to know if you could describe the taste, because it just tasted like... You win a prize. It actually tasted a bit like someone had taken lemonade and coke and mixed them together badly. It probably is. It probably is, isn't it? Badly, yeah. Oh, we've got some Sprite over there, like put the... Just mix it together. Put the Pepsi in there, yeah. Yeah. And then add a blue food colouring.
00:16:38
Speaker
Oh my God. But you know, yeah I looked at it and I thought, no, that's, um I shouldn't have that. That's really bad. Do you know what? I sort of thought, I was going to cheer me up a bit. You know what we should put in next? Pepsi, hate it or rate it. Rate it. Yeah? Over coke. Really? Pepsi Max. Best thing. Wow. Yeah. None of none of this Coke Zero, Pepsi Max all day. I prefer Diet Coke or Coke Zero. Really? Yeah. Diet Coke's got such a weird taste that I find. I know. I know. I like it.
00:17:07
Speaker
It tastes a bit like flat coke. Yeah, I mean coke zero tastes like normal coke, doesn't it? With a bit of the fun removed. But diet coke doesn't taste like either. No, it's its own thing really. I don't, I don't love Pepsi. It's okay. Pepsi max. Pepsi max of ice. Do you like cherry?
00:17:28
Speaker
because that's the cherry Coke. No, the Pepsi max cherry. Um, I've only had it once. I'm trying to think. I did like it. Yeah. Yeah. You sounded so sheltered now. I'm pretty sure I've only had it once. I'm trying to think. I like Dr. Pepper as well. Yeah. Dr. Pepper is the OG. Yeah. Do you remember a little, that was good. Yeah. Apparently that's gone now.
00:17:49
Speaker
It's been, isn't it just Fanta tropical though? Oh. I'm pretty sure that's just, they that's the same thing. Just rebranded it. Yeah, I think so. Nice. Yeah. and
Stress, Relaxation, and Mindfulness Techniques
00:18:00
Speaker
So yeah, we got off topic there, but doing Pepsi Max, rate it. Yeah. And doing what makes you happy. Yeah. Rate it as long as it's for the, as long as you're thinking about the future. Yeah, don't overdo it. Yeah. Yeah. and Go into the beach on a busy day.
00:18:16
Speaker
I hate it. Oh my God, same. The worst thing in the world, basically. It's torture. What would you rather do? It's not even just a busy day, just when there's other people around really frustrating me. yeah Someone's always taking the best spot. People in the way. The parking. Do you know what we can put this in with? This could be his own show. The Tesco's. Tesco's or supermarket shopping on a busy day. People's spatial awareness. Yep.
00:18:44
Speaker
yeah They're just like, oh, I just need to get something. Oh my God. Yeah. Um, but yeah, beach on a busy day. Awful. 15 quid for an ice cream. Get no enjoyment from it whatsoever. No. No. Sunburn. and Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely not for me at all. No. Um, I think it's the other thing with, it always seems to be,
00:19:10
Speaker
that when it's busy, it's always the most noisy, inconsiderate people as well. It's not just loads of nice people around. You know what I mean? Someone will come and sit next to you.
00:19:22
Speaker
and they'll have a dog that's barking or the kids are like kicking their football, you know, into your windbreak or something. Yeah. Or someone's had like seven cans of like quite cheap lager. Yeah. And getting leery. Yeah. They're like screaming at the kids or playing music off their phone. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? Like most, a lot of the British seaside just gives me the creeps. I find like the amusements and stuff quite creepy and the music. Yeah. Just not, not, not your idea of fun. No. It's okay. I like going to the beach when it's quiet. Let the dog off. Yeah. Oh yeah. Love it. Yeah. That's a great day out if there's just no one around. But if it's like Saturday. That's why like if it's a ah relatively warm day and sort of
00:20:10
Speaker
late winter early spring and you know there's no kind of holiday makers around that's that's the best time to go yeah yeah nice okay meditation Yeah, i was I was curious to know if it's something you've tried before. Do you know what? Again, um I haven't.
00:20:29
Speaker
no and i The thought of meditating for me sounds excruciating. Like trying to sit still and and do it. yeah But I've had a lot of clients that do it, that have got really good results from it.
00:20:44
Speaker
and And personally, I've never tried it. So I think it's really good for helping you be more present. Yeah with things this is the common The common thing I hear about it. um I Just don't it sounds really bad. I don't find the time I would find it hard. It's for those I know I find it really hard to justify being able to sit there and not do anything Yes, I think What could I be doing with that time? The thing is, we're obsessed with productivity, aren't we? Yeah. So like... Productivity beasts. ah Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't go that far.
00:21:16
Speaker
ah But I would, I just feel guilty, I reckon. Yeah, exactly. And I really struggled. I'd just get into the zone. I'd be like, oh, I've got soap. I need to get back to that. I need to send an email all year. Oh, I think of like something on YouTube. Yeah, I just feel like. Wait for you, you would be able to get away from YouTube. I just can't, I can't, I struggle to turn my brain off. Do you ever do that thing when you can't sleep and you do that thing where you like,
00:21:44
Speaker
Think about your toes and then you think about like your feet. I never struggled really, ah I very very rarely struggled to get to sleep. I've done that. So you're meant to like think about like like the very ends of your toes and you can kind feel them and then you like work your way up and the idea is that you can't get to your head because you fall asleep because it helps turn your brain off. yeah yeah um For me, I'm like... Just get a pound on about your toes. Yeah, I'm just like, oh, I can feel my hair. And I'm like, cool. Or I'll just get like distracted halfway through. Or yeah, it's difficult. Okay. I'm not going to be trying that one then. It won't work for you. It works for a lot of people. and I've not tried meditation. Heard good things. Not willing to try it right now. Yeah. some people ah
00:22:31
Speaker
sort of worked with, actually, who are really into meditation, do it every day, you know, for grounding and... Yeah. Yeah. um At the start of the day as well. Do they find it's helped them? like They've never said that specifically, but as part of an overall wellness and sort of wellbeing plan, then yes. as As a thing, that's a habit. I think that's one of them that, like, it would be kind of pointless me doing it because i've always I've already sort of decided it's not for me. And I think you've got to be... Open-minded. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:00
Speaker
Yeah, I think if you're not open-minded towards it, you're not gonna get the benefits of it. No. You have to almost want to embrace it. Yeah. Yeah. And the next one is kind of similar, um, breathing exercises. So it's kind of like in the same sort of place. Now, again, I haven't tried this, but I have noticed, do you ever notice yourself like breathing really shallow? So you're like, we concentrate on something and then you realize you're like, take a breath. I've taken a deep breath in ages. Um, is this something you've tried? I have done breathing ex exercises before. Did you do it on your watch?
00:23:33
Speaker
No, I didn't do the one there, actually. I've actually done it on my watch. Ah, okay. Be cool to try, but um it was mainly at a time when I was trying to get back into some cardio and I thought if I can try and regulate breathing before even attempting the cardio side. Yeah. Because that's something I always struggled with, actually. i would My cardio was always impacted by the breathing first. You couldn't catch your breath. Yeah. So I felt like it felt like I was always running uphill.
00:24:01
Speaker
And my legs and everything would be going, no, you're fine, but my breathing was really labored. So I tried tried to do some breathing exercises for that. And you know what, actually, just a few YouTube videos, I found there was some really good techniques and they did it did definitely help. That's quite cool. So now I try and do them, you know, when you're feeling a bit overwhelmed by stuff or a bit stressed, I do try and practice some breathing ex exercises. I'm not regularly, I'm not doing it every day, but in moments, I've done it and it it does work. Find like a rhythm, like a counter, a certain,
00:24:31
Speaker
Like one, two, three, and then, you know, all that stuff. And actually there's different ones for different things. So I'll try them and actually, yeah, I'll be fairly pleased with it.
Mocktails, Non-Alcoholic Options, and Yoga
00:24:40
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So give it a go maybe. I'll try it. Apparently. I'll rate it. I'll rate it. Okay. Well, I can't, I've got, I'm indifferent on this one. Yeah. I think that, I think with like cardio and stuff, I think the body like panics, doesn't it? When you're not used to it. So it just starts breathing. Not conditioned. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost, it goes into overdrive, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it, it like your heart rate spikes. Um, mocktails.
00:25:07
Speaker
Well, someone who doesn't really drink alcohol, I love a mocktail. Do you know what I hate about a mocktail, right? Yeah. Instead of paying like... Right, yeah. I was going to agree with this as well. This is the problem, isn't it? Yeah. I've been places before and I'll be like driving and they'll be like, why don't you just get a mocktail? I'm like, I'm not paying 12 pounds for a juice. Yeah. Like a shot of juice. So we went, we had a little like kind of business meeting and the two people I was with had wine.
00:25:34
Speaker
and I looked at the menu and I was like, wow, was that today? Yeah. Oh, I know someone that saw you. Oh really? Oh, spotted mate. That was spotted. Yeah. So we went, we had this little lunch meeting. We didn't actually have lunch. It was just a drink, but we sort of talked through a load of things. I looked at the menu and I thought, I don't want an alcoholic drink. I don't want a coffee or don't drink coffee or tea. That's just weird when two people are drinking wine. So I thought, I'll go for a mocktail and you're a hundred percent right. I looked at the ingredients.
00:26:03
Speaker
There was like sparkling water, strawberry syrup, something apple, and like a few leaves dangled in it, seven quid. Yeah, they've made money there. And I thought to myself. It was nice, I enjoyed it, but that yeah, the markup on that must have been huge. Yeah, I know where you went. It's a great place. I go there a couple of times a week at the moment. Oh really? Yeah, I worked there. Oh nice. A little thing. Yeah. We could meet up. Yeah. For a work block. Yeah, bless' it it's a nice spot, isn't it? Yeah. It's not too far from you actually. No, it's good as well because they they open from like 10 till 11. Yeah. So. Well, watch this space, but that's where the next event's going to be. Is it? Yeah. Oh cool. September one, yeah. That's cool.
00:26:44
Speaker
So, yeah, we went and met the guy today, and we've got everything all sorted. So, yeah, it's gonna be a good place to go. Yeah, it's a nice spot. I like the little outside bit you've got as well. I haven't actually been out there. No. Only out the front.
00:26:57
Speaker
That's a bit, so I mean, yeah, that'll be open as well. Just a little hoarding, isn't it? Yeah, so that was a perfect example because I looked at the menu and I thought, what else am I gonna have? And yeah, but at the same time I just look and I'm like, there's no value there at all. Have you ever tried like a non-alcoholic gin? Yes, not out. What's that like? So a friend of mine, when I go over and we don't have like a curry night or something,
00:27:25
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usually because I'm driving anyway, regardless of anything else. He's really good at making, he he goes big with drinks, but he's always alcoholic. But he um had some non-alcoholic gin left over from when his wife was pregnant, and she used like a gin tonic. And you know what? Once you put the other bits in there, he used to put some like raspberries in and yeah all the trimmings. It's pretty good. Okay. The taste was similar. Yeah, but Cause I didn't use the mind of gin, tonic. Okay. That wasn't, I would be a drink I'd have and kind of think, yeah, that was all right. It's quite a clean taste. Yeah. But I wouldn't make a habit. I wouldn't go out again. You wouldn't buy a bottle to have at home? No. No. Yeah. But if I, you know, if I was going to go right social situation and you wanted to kind of just join in with everybody, still feel it's not the worst thing in the world. I just have the tonic, I think.
00:28:17
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I'd also be more than happy with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was our short list. I've got one more to throw in for you. Go on. I'm excited. Yoga. Oh my God.
00:28:31
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Do you know what? like Again, I'm definitely not going to slack it off because it you know I've had a lot of clients that love it. My one problem with it, okay for most people, yeah it's not a workout. Most yoga. Some of them are very strength-based.
00:28:49
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but like a 10 minute yoga session like a 10 minute like it's it's effectively like a 10 minute stretch you're just stretching you know i know you feel about stretching and it's not like i know one client in particular absolutely loves it and it is really hard work like she's she's pretty good at it like there's a lot of strength element there she does it for like an hour at a time or more yeah um that that's fine but it's not the same as like an hour-lifting weight, so jog. And occasionally, I'll have a client that will be like, oh, I didn't do my workout today, but I did. But I did yoga. But I did 10 minutes of yoga, and I'm like, that's great, but they're not the same. Yeah. So ah for a long time, this isn't a new trend, obviously by any means. I'm sure yoga's probably just as popular now as it was 20 years ago. But um yeah, so my partner will do yoga at home and always tries to get me involved.
00:29:43
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And I went, oh no. and always I guess part of me thinks like it just doesn't look that hard. okay I have tried a few times and some of those positions are ah horrible. And the core strength required, yeah yeah you you need and like you can really feel it. yeah It's like doing a plank, but then with three other things going on. yeah So I actually have to say I do i can feel it's effective, ye but I agree with you. I would never look to substitute it for cardio or gym based exercises personally. But it's its own thing, isn't it? Yeah. And I think, I mean, I read that lots of athletes also incorporate that in Pilates now. Yeah. That's part of like mobility. Yeah. Mobility and that kind of stuff. So there's definitely some benefits there. So I'm going to say I rate it. ah Do you know what I'm saying? I rate it. Yeah. It's just not for me. Yeah. Do you know what part of it,
00:30:36
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like to feel completely nervous because I just know I'll be rubbish at it. Yeah. that Well, that was the thing for me. I knew deep down because I haven't got the best balance. I thought to myself, it it shouldn't be as hard as I'm going to make it look. Yeah. So that's part of the reason I've not done it. Maybe I'll do it one day and I'll love it. But actually someone like the ab exercises doing at the moment almost feel quite similar. Yeah. Especially the one where you're doing the like you're raising one arm and yeah. Oh yeah.
Athletic Discipline and Celebrity Fitness
00:31:00
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Like the bird dog, bird dog. Yeah. That feels very much like a yoga yeah exercise. So there is quite a crossover. Yeah.
00:31:06
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But yeah, I'm gonna say I rate it. Okay. Yeah. Maybe one day I'll have time to do everything else and also do a bit of yoga as well. Yeah, exactly. like You can do that, like, what do they call it? Sunrise yoga. Yes. You can get up at the crack of the door. I bet that's nice. Yeah. Nice coffee. Nice cat monster.
00:31:27
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Can't have a lengthness out on the lawn. Rockstar energy. Beautiful. yeah Not quite like waking up in California and seeing the sunrise, yeah. Cool, have you got any more? um Don't think so. I was going to say blue cheese, but you don't eat cheese. That wasn't right off, isn't it? and We know one should be eating that.
00:31:47
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i People go crazy for it though. I know. Just cheese in general. Anyone who's obsessed with cheese and really looks forward to cheese. People are. Yeah, just... A, it stinks. Yeah. B, I know what it's in it. Yeah. And if you don't know, if you look it up, you'll be pretty horrified with some of the stuff in cheese. And the final thing is people somehow managed to turn it into such a big social event. It's a bit like wine, isn't it? Yeah. I know they go together, but they're like, oh, tell me the story of this cheese.
00:32:18
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Yeah. The butchers I worked out in... and Butchers often sell cheese, don't they, as well? Yeah. So the one I worked out in Sudbury had like a massive cheese counter. um And people used to go wild for it. and You have to get cut them little bits off as a taster and like...
00:32:35
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but Oh, have you got any any that's really ripe and it's like where it's like almost a liquid. that Oh, yeah Honestly makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I've seen so we have a quite popular very nice department store in Norwich called Gerald's and in their basement they have a deli area and Never forget this guy who was just I was trying to just get like some nice chocolates or something. This guy in front of me had no awareness of how long he was taking, going to all these cheeses. Like the black bomber, oh yeah, I'll have a bit of black bomber. Oh, let me. You know what, that is actually good. Is it? Yeah. To be fair to him. yeah Yeah. So he was having a bit of that and then he was trying some of the other cheeses and he was basically turning it into like an art form. Yeah. You know, and I just thought to myself, what are you doing? ah How can you spend this long obsessing over cheese?
00:33:27
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but maybe it maybe it's good cheese. One of the guys I used to work with would like, he'd cut them a bit and then cut himself a bit and then they'd both eat it and they'd like yeah like nod to each other and go, oh yeah, it's a beautiful bit. It's what we do with a Monster. will Will you take a slice and then cut a bit and like, oh yeah, what else shall I have? Well, it's also one of those things that often people have at dinner parties and stuff. yeah So you build, I mean, you could build a whole personality around cheese, couldn't you? Oh, I'm having a cheese on wine night.
00:33:56
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and having people over for cheese and yeah. How many people have we upset with this podcast? we found Yeah. And we've probably lost a few listeners. on Yoga and cheese. um no I rate yoga. I rate yoga. I don't rate cheese. no I like, I like cheese, but I like cheese to be cheese. I don't want it rotten. I don't want it to stink. Yeah. I just want it to be plastic. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Okay. and Anything else to add today, mate?
00:34:23
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I think so. Football starts in two weeks. Yep, looking forward to that. Technically it starts in one week. Yeah. It's coming around quite quickly to be fair. I've had a very busy summer of sport and stuff. Have you seen any of the inputs by the way? No. Do you know what I wanted to? But I just haven't got the time. I've managed to see a few highlights and stuff. What about that guy with the pistol? Oh yeah.
00:34:44
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I love that guy. the The other thing which I ended up, you know sometimes you're not really following it in particular, but then you just, you see a couple of bits and you get really into it. The road bikes through centre of Paris are the time trials. Some of the speeds are obviously crazy.
00:35:02
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but they were doing it in the wet across cobbles. Oh my God, that's brutal. So some of the falls. They're all coming off. Yeah, they just kept, the same corner. Everyone just kept coming off. I'm not surprised. It's like they just skid off and then they have to just get up. They're probably doing like 20 mile an hour or more. Yeah, they're going into like 25 kilometers an hour on the corners and just sliding off into the fence and then they get back up. There's a car behind them with about five or six more of the same bike on the roof. They just get another one off and off they go again.
00:35:30
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Yeah, why do they organise it on couples? I don't know, I guess they got to do it through, it wasn't all on cobbles, but there were some parts where they'd go through from one main road to another main road. And it's like a rally. Yeah, it was really weird. The mountain biking as well, I saw some of that. I remember seeing that before, it's crazy. Crazy. Again, the speeds and the jumps, the corners they have to turn. And it looked sheer. That was quite impressive. And then I saw some of the freestyle BMX stuff, that was good as well.
00:36:01
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um We always end up watching gymnastics in my house. Yeah. Yeah, because that is big into our gymnastics and A little bit the swimming I've seen as well. There's some sports there. I just don't get what I was the football there I know because you get do you know, do you know what? I think that like BMX and skateboards a bit weird. Mmm, like the the Greeks didn't invent I know the and I don't think I don't care, yeah but I just think there's certain things that you're like, but I guess it's got change to change with the times, hasn't it? Yeah, and and it brings people in, doesn't it, I guess. yeah true So it's it's nice and inclusive. um Yeah, there's been some there's been some really good stuff. I think maybe it's when you're younger, you um maybe, I don't know what it is, but
00:36:45
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previous Olympics, she had someone like Usain Bolt there, right? Yeah. And Michael Phelps. And it always felt like they were just waiting for the day where they were going to be on. Even Mo Farah. Yeah. I don't really know many of the people at these ones. The girl that won the olympic won the gymnastics is pretty famous, isn't she? Yes. Simone Biles. Yeah. So she's probably one of the like last of the big... Superstar names. Yeah, we're like fate other famous people come to watch her. Yeah, but then I saw a little bit of the um The athletics and the men's hundred meters is obviously usually a big highlight Yeah, and everyone kind of flops to see that and I remember when it was Usain Bolt i was Tyson gay There was the other two Jamaican guys Johan Blake. I think it was. Yeah and pal
00:37:29
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Mate, you've got a good memory. Yeah. So those, when it was all of those four, and you always felt like Bolt was going to win, obviously he was the main man, but they really pushed him. Can you imagine the pressure? Exactly. That felt really exciting and it really built up to it. yeah Same with the swimming. Whereas now I kind of, I just don't know, I guess, as many of the big names or they're maybe they're only just starting to build their legacy.
00:37:51
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So. Some of the um running got like beaten, didn't it, I think. So I think the five and 10,000 meters both got. Hey, bottle broken, yeah. Yeah, world records. It did show in the 100 meters just how insane Usain Bolt's time was. Cause these guys, like obviously. Best in the world. Flat out, best in the world. And they were still like, sound like 0.2 of a second off yeah his time. And he wasn't even sprinting at the end. I know. He's just looking around jogging. I'm glad that he didn't try again. Yeah. I'm glad he didn't come and lose. Yes.
00:38:20
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Like he knew when he was done. Yeah. I wonder what training looks like for him now. Usain Bolt. Yeah. I did see him during soccer aid. Was he bad? He wasn't... Was this recent? Yeah, this year. He wasn't peak fitness. Oh, really? They look out of shape. Did he? He looked like he... Obviously, he was extremely... Because he's tall, isn't he? yeah Six-five or six-six or something. so But he also actually had a fair amount of muscle. Yeah, he was pretty jacked and shredded. Whereas now he looked bulky. Right. So he's got a big frame so he can hold it quite well.
00:38:58
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But side on, yeah, he had, I don't think he was training, particularly regularly. It must be difficult because you've literally been the best in the world at something. And sprinting is not something that you can keep doing. I watched the guy who was, I think he was 400 metres. I saw him afterwards because he got second. ah So he got silver, the British guy. right And he was just, the first thing he said was, I just can't wait now just to, like I've trained so hard. I've been in at the gym, I hate the gym. I can't wait just to go and eat.
00:39:26
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bad food for a bit and actually just chill. Just be a normal person because so the discipline they have to have. yeah And it is all about the tiniest of margins, isn't it? yeah You're talking points of a second. yeah yeah So yeah, it must be it must be really difficult, especially when you retire. To to get that back. yeah Yeah. Keep that discipline. Yeah. See, it's it's so it's so weird, isn't it? Because obviously I'm not an elite athlete.
00:39:52
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And it's funny how someone that used to be an elite athlete might do less than I do now. But because they've reached that height. If you're always in the middle ground. Yeah, you can you and stay motivated. And for me, it's easy for me to change things. Like, ah you know, if I want to do something else, I can go and have a go at it. But yeah for them, they're a sprinter, they're elite at that. yep They can't change for 20 years. Yeah.
00:40:14
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but it is interesting. i wonder I just thought he might, I don't know, I thought he might do something else. I know at one point you looked you into football, didn't he? He joined a football team in Australia or something. He got, he got, um, he was like close to United, wasn't he? He did a trial, didn't he, or something weird. yeah I feel like it was more for just a, for the, you know, sending shirts, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. That often, um, do you look fast at soccer, right?
00:40:39
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No. Oh. But mainly because he didn't even get the opportunity I feel to sprint. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. i shit I'll send you the highlights and you can let me know your thoughts. Yeah. He just, the year, I think he's done it a few years. and definite've seen him He looked quite doing it one year. Yeah. but You just want to see him like, you want to see him just absolutely. You want to see him with the ball. I'm pretty sure I saw Patrice ever.
00:41:07
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like out sprint him quite comfortably. Yeah. Like for the ball at one point. Yeah. But they're both sort of, I think they're on the same team, but they're both kind of, there was a loose ball and Usain Bolt just looked like he didn't have it in him. And then Everett who keeps himself, and Patrice Everett is one of those guys who yeah he still looks like a professional athlete. Yeah. But Usain Bolt didn't. That's sad. Yeah. Sad times finishing on a sad note there. I'm gutted now.
00:41:34
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Look, he might have, it might have just been a bad time frame. He might have been on well. Final note, actually. Go on, we're talking about shape. Did you see, or have, I don't know if you're going to watch it, the new Wolverine film? Oh, this is a good one. Did I send you this earlier? I don't think so. I was going to send you this. So is it Wolverine vs Deadpool or something like that? Yeah. It's a new film.
00:41:54
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The difference between Hugh Jackman 25 years ago and now. Yeah. Yeah. He's 55. I know. He is on the old. He is on the steroids, isn't he? Yeah. I mean, he's on the body, the ones that shred body fat clearly. And gain muscle. Yeah. I mean, he looks much better now than he did. Yeah. When he was 30. Yeah. So. I mean, I think the last few films, he's looked in great shape, but this one in particular, he's so cut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:23
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and Yeah, I just, I saw that and I thought, wow. It is interesting. Do you know what? I personally, I don't give a crap if someone takes steroids. Like I honestly don't care. I'd rather people just owned it if they're going to do it. It's all this this stuff. Yeah. It's like, but it's not like if even he can own it. He's probably just like not allowed to say. No. I think the main problem for me is that if he says it, it endorses it. But the reverse of that is that people think it's obtainable. Yeah, they beat themselves up if they can't reach like the rock. Yeah, people think he's natural. I know. So for me, I compare this to
00:42:57
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If you see content now that's online, if it's produced by AI, it should say, yeah it was made by AI, right? yeah It's the same thing for me when you see ah like people who are claiming to be, I just worked out and I had a really clean diet to get this. yeah It's the same thing, isn't it? yeah Like just, they should almost say, is sponsored by. yeah Yeah. yeah the bat The dodgy guy who hangs out in the locker room. The the thing is though, it's not like they it's not lucky he hasn't had to fucking work his arse off. Yeah. like Oh yeah, the exactly the amount that's gone in touch. that that's the fix Because people don't have like they don't have the knowledge. yeah They think that you you you know you take some steroids and you get... Get jacked like he still would have had to be like absolutely hundred percent on it. Yeah Yeah, apparently he's a Norwich fan. Yeah, he's in Norwich quite a lot. Actually. So I remember there was a woman at the waffle house. ye Yeah Yeah, his mum lives there his mum. I think still lives in Norwich. Yeah Get on the pod
00:43:56
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Don't suppose your son's around this weekend, wants to pop in? Yeah, that would blow up, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what we've talked to him about. Asking if he likes yoga. Yeah. Yeah. Get him to admit to the steroids. So what's the secret to this physique? yeah you yeah How have you improved so much in the back end of your 30s? Well, on that note, I guess we'll ah we'll leave it leave it there. Cool. See you all next week. Thanks for tuning in. See you then.