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S2 Episode 5 - Excitement vs Fun
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In this weeks podcast Ben and Lewis talk about the differences between excitement and fun.
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Introduction to 'Working It Out'
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Speaker
Hi everyone, welcome back to working it out. I'm Lewis and I'm Ben. Should we do our intros? Yeah, so I'm an online coach and I run a creative agency to have a web design, social media and all that sort of stuff online.
Approaching Podcasts for New Listeners?
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Speaker
Awesome. So I actually heard the other day that but we can use it for a podcast as well. and You should do each YouTube video as if the person that's watching is a completely new viewer. Yeah. So that's what we should do for this. So people know, I mean, we get tons of new listeners every week. But we also know you've got that dedicated fan base. We've got the hardcore. Yeah. Friend of the pod.
Weather and Marathon Training Challenges
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Yeah. So how's your week been, mate? It's been a good week. Yeah. Yeah. It's flown as usual.
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I think we're just saying, before we started this, how quickly how quickly time flies and how quickly this comes round. And it certainly felt like that this week. um But um I'll be honest, I haven't even found there's been much opportunity to kind of get outdoors and even break up some of the monotony of of work with the way the weather's been. So that's not been too much fun, is it? It's just raining right now. I know. I was literally saying, was it last week that 9 out of 10 times that I come here. No matter what season it rains. It's like you swing a rain cloud with you every time. It's looking like I'm going to get soaked on the way home as well. I've got an umbrella if you want to borrow one. I might do actually. I've got a coat that isn't that waterproof. You should learn. It's waterproof up to about 20 minutes and then it just absorbs straight through. Yeah. So I think that and everybody I've seen this week has been
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ah wrapped up in their coats. Everyone's got winter coats out again. It's kind of crazy. I've spoke to probably like five or six clients that have said they put the heating on this week. It is cold. I had a hoodie and trackies and a beanie on indoors the other day. Yeah. In June. In June. Very, very strange. Yeah. Miserable. But yeah, apart from apart from the weather, it has been a good week so far. Yeah. It just goes so quick, doesn't it? Maybe we're getting old. Zoe said yesterday, she's like, oh, it's Friday tomorrow, that's disgusting, isn't it? She's like, what are you talking about? I was like, I mean, like it's going quick. Yeah. Well, I don't mind that day to day. I don't mind it. But then you blink and you're like, oh my God, like we're halfway through the year and it feels like it just started. Yeah. So yeah, I agree. Um, I'm doing the Sandringham half marathon this Sunday. Oh, okay. Nice. Which will be good. Got some clients and some old clients doing it.
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So it should be good, we're gonna get soaked probably. Yeah, are you gonna run in like welly boots or something? I don't know. I think some of it's trail as well, which is really annoying. Because it's gonna be soft. not goingnna It's not good PB weather. Just avoid just avoid injuries. It's really the main thing for that kind of run. it's go not be anything like because Even if it's now nice weather for the next couple of days, that's gonna be we going to be so pretty soggy. Yeah, and I think some of it's under trees, so it's not even like it can dry. Do you know what? I was actually, I know we're still off topic a bit, but yeah you know the other week we spoke about how I struggled to like celebrate big wins. This week I've definitely felt less motivated knowing that I've got the thing that I've been training for coming up. There we go. and i I think on the positive side, I just get so much to enjoyment out of ah a process and like the training that goes towards something. But then when I get to the end goal, I'm like, I don't know if it's because I'm like, oh, it's going to be over.
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And to be fair, I think you love you love the journey more than the destination. I actually do. Yeah. But I do think a little bit of it is I am worried that it's just going to be like really muddy because I was hoping for like a really good time. Whereas now you need it to be so bad that there's so many mitigating factors. It was hail. what that I need to get my excuses ready. Yeah. Yeah. No. ah Yeah. But... You have to take some sort of cleats with you. You can get like serious trail running shoes. I don't have any any. Maybe it's an excuse to buy some.
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But yeah, it'll be good. um And then go into like specific sort of like high rocks block after this. yeah So that'll be fun. It's good to have a focus of around your training, isn't it? Yeah. So I'm almost focusing on something else already, which I like.
Excitement vs. Fun: Social Escapism
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um So in this week's we are going to talk a little bit about and excitement versus fun and to be fair I have thought of something else that we can sort of talk about including this um and this sort of come from like a recent podcast that I was listening to and and it was it was like it was talking about and two things so one was like this guy's giving up alcohol and he was talking about how
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He used to drink light loads. like I don't think he was an alcoholic, but he would drink like a beer or a couple of beers most days as an American guy. And he would go to like and you know like social events three or four times a week. And then he sort of realized that he didn't want to drink that much anymore. And he was having negative effects. And when he stopped drinking, he didn't like going to the socials anymore. And he was like, oh, this is interesting. It turns out I was only going to those because you know, I was drinking. And he was like, well, if you can't do something unless you're drinking, do you even really like it? yeah And do you really like hanging around with those people? um And he was sort of saying that.
00:05:16
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giving up drinking made his life much less exciting, but he got a lot more fulfillment and he got a lot more fun out of his general life. and And I just thought of a couple of examples like to go with this. um I know I just listed a second part, but I forgot what the other part was. So it'll come back in a minute. and So yeah, I thought we could talk a little bit about, you know, like I remember the second
Self-Care: Necessity or Indulgence?
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thing. The second thing was like about self-care. And it was like how, I think we mentioned this on a pod already, but how self-care is actually doing the non-negotiable things that are important in your life rather than eating a pizza on a beach because you feel like you've had you know a tough year. yeah you know That's self-indulgence. So yeah, and excitement first is fun. So we've got a couple of little topics little topics on here.
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so we recently had a conversation about like nights out and about how when you're younger you know we both worked in retail and you'd be like Saturday morning you've got a night out planned and you're you know you're buzzing you've got the group chat going You've bought some pre-drinks and stuff and then you go out and the light like the night doesn't really live up to the the hype. and And how that that's like a perfect example basically. yeahp and Have you got any more examples that you can think of of like a similar thing?
Expectation vs. Reality in Social Events
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I think that's the one that always that always comes up because there used to be so much anticipation about it, didn't there? Yeah. um the The group chats would be happening and people would be, oh, what are you bringing? What are you wearing? and All that stuff. Yeah. um So yeah, that was probably um a controversial one for me. but sometimes holidays. Oh, really? Yeah, I feel it like sometimes, and it was probably more when, when you're working and you're in a, you know, nine to five, if you like, and you're just kind of going along with it and you're waiting, like we said before, you always wait for your holidays. And then you'd get to that point and then everything that you'd sort of been thinking like, oh, this is going to be such a nice break. And yeah I don't know, I always used to feel I'd get there and
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I'd sort of be thinking to myself, I should be enjoying this more than I am. Yeah. That feeling. ya Yeah, yeah. You need to be maximising that time because you're back to the mundane afterwards. And yeah, I've had some great holidays, don't get me wrong, this isn't every time, but there have been holidays before where it's felt, I've got there and then I've thought, was that, was it worth? kind of all that money. yeah Did I actually get that much from that? Maybe not. Is that because you've like hyped it up? Probably. All the people I'm going with have put so much on it. Oh, this is going to be so good. And yeah, even some of the holidays, you know, kind of when you go as a couple with other relationships, um, I've been on, there
Life's Vices: Harmful Excitement
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was so much sort of anticipation of it. And then it wasn't actually as great as I was sort of hoping for. I get that if
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I over plan stuff. So like, if I go on a trip and I'm like, I've never actually done this, but like, imagine you're going away for like a week and you had something booked for every single day, you know exactly how it's going to go. I'd always feel a bit disappointed. yeah and i I always think the most fun is like, you know, like when we were in Japan, it was just like, oh, what are we going to do today? Yeah. A bit more spontaneous. yeah Yeah. I always get a lot more fun out of that. I love that more as well. Yeah. Which is kind of like, Conflicted because we just said that like a lot of excitement is and Like impulsive, but I suppose it you know it can be it can be better for that but I actually do agree with the holiday one like Zoe can be quite bad for this because she'll Really look forward to something like really hype it up in her head. I'm quite lucky where I'll book something I can kind of forget about it now. Yes. Yeah, like umm I've got a lot more patient as I've got older, but now I can sort of
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book a trip it's six months ago away and I won't really think about it until like welllthough we just said it comes around so quick as well it seems doesn't it yeah yeah but Zoe will be like oh we're gonna do this we're gonna do this she'll watch youtube videos of the hotel we're gonna stay in and I'm like stop it because you're gonna ruin it yeah I want to see what it's like when we get there I'm not enjoying it as much as that person was on the video exactly Exactly. yeah So she'd be like, do you want to watch this? I'm like, no, I'm good. but I'll see it when I get there. yeah and That's a good one though, holidays. Yeah. And i i think I don't think we're alone in that. There's definitely, I speak to other people sometimes. and
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At first, everybody was, oh, I had a great time. Yeah, it was so good to get away. But then often, you'll ask them a few questions. And oh, we actually, the travel there was so stressful. And ah while we were there, you know, we lost a bag or something. And you've got to put it all together. It's like, so what were the highlights here? Yeah. But it's a bit of a thing, isn't it? If you go on holiday and you've been waiting for that, people don't want to sort of sound disappointed about it. But I think if everybody, if if everybody had to do a lie detector test after they came out from holiday, there'd be a fair proportion of people would not have, not have had it as much enjoyment as they would have made out. Yeah. Yeah. That is such a good point, actually. What about you? Is there any others that you sort of so go to? I think that
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The main sort of things that I could think of like that the, like the, I know I sort of said impulsive. Well, i was so I was trying to like think about other things, but I feel like most of like the vices in life tend to be things that feel really exciting, but are actually a terrible idea. So like, or if they're taking too far or terrible ideas. So I put like gambling, drink, drugs, and sex with the wrong people maybe, um like cheating. Like you see all these people that get a lot of excitement out of like having an affair when really they should take the...
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you know the good option and you know break up or get counselling or whatever. And then quite often like down the line, anyone that's had a problem with anything will actually say, you know what, I wasn't actually having fun any of the time. you know Someone with a drink problem, they're not enjoying getting drunk anymore. Do you know what I mean? Exactly. and It's that, like, excitement of what could happen. and Yeah, I think that's that's the big thing with when people used to go on nights out in particular. It was always that sort of unknown, wasn't it? Yeah. Like, oh, you don't know where you're going to end up. Yeah. What funny stuff's going to happen? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I used to like that.
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yeah just like completely lose control and you know something funny might happen but yeah it's funny how like as I've got older I've been like god that it's just not appeal that much anymore no um so yeah I think that like as you get older your your patience just improves um another one where I think uh it can sort of come up is like you know those relationships where a couple will get together and then within like six months they're engaged. ye And then 12 months they're married. ye And then, and I don't know, buy a house, have a kid, get like just do everything that you're meant to do in a relationship within the first year or two. Take them all off of this. Yeah. And then they're like, now what? Yeah. So I think they're just like, you know, instead of just enjoying like the moment, they're like buzzing off the next, the next plan thing. I kind of get it. But then you always see these relationships that
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tend to fall apart um or like people who cheat. I know we were just talking a little bit about like, you know, back in the day, you you hear about these people that used to have like double lives. Yeah. Just to certain extremes as well. Yeah. So, you know, where people, you know, like guys that would drive lorries and stuff. And I don't know, like have two families and or you found out that they'd been sleeping with some woman up north for like 15 years or something. ah
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So you mentioned like midlife crisis.
Midlife Crises and FOMO
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What you what did you mean by that? so I'm sure you have as well. You you come across people um often who you work with or you know friends of friends or or parents friends and things like that who at a certain point in their life they feel like they're really missing out on something. They're not getting satisfaction. through, I guess, their relationship or just the life that they kind of have ended up in. And, yeah, I'd say I've definitely worked with people before who have felt like, oh, you know, I go home and my partner, husband, wife, whatever, doesn't, you know, doesn't afford to see me. You know, we never do anything together.
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I take the kids to school, pick the kids up, it all just feels very scripted. yeah And often they just crave you know to go on a night out and have a wild night and just- Get paralytic. Yeah. And kiss some random guy. Yeah, dance with someone. And I think that in the past, it used to be something which I guess tended to happen around late thirties, early forties, hence where the term came from, where people would almost just want to kind of chuck everything up in the air. and and see if there was more to life. yeah And I don't feel it happens, I don't hear about it quite so much these days. But I was wondering as well, we sort of discussed, didn't we, if it was more to do with social media, if that has an impact, because you you can't get away with the things you probably could even 15 years ago now, because there'll be a picture somewhere or someone's got a video, everyone's got their phone in their hand at all times. And that does seem to have changed things.
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Yeah. I think as well, people are more happy to break up. Yeah. So like there's less societal pressure to stay together, isn't there? With like FOMO, where did FOMO come from before social media? Because we think about it now as like, you know, you can go on social media, you you so you can easily see someone's life that you could be jealous ah of. Where did it come from before that? Unless it was much more direct. See your boss or like someone you worked with. Yeah. You know, the person you sit next to in the office who had decided to yeah get divorced and go and travel and have a new life or whatever it might be. I guess that was your nearest source of it whereas now
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you what you can read about celebrities, you can follow a celebrity online and sort of see what they're doing all the time as well as people you know. So there's almost, I guess, more accessibility to it. But I think also a lot of people find escapism now, which is what they might've been looking for before, but they find that through social media. yeah You can, if you wanted to, it's not a particularly healthy thing to do, but you could live out a fantasy life on social media. Yeah, a troll. Yeah. Or even if you just wanted to show that things are much better than they probably are, you could just, like we said before, you post all the highlights, can't you? And then all the people that you think care about you would probably think you were living a much better life than you were. Yeah. Which I guess is why some of the people would have done those things in the past. And that could be quite toxic, couldn't it? Because I could be having the worst time of my life post really good stuff. Someone might leave their job because they can see that I'm having a great life. Exactly. Yeah. And I'm miserable. Yeah. and It's just like, yeah.
00:16:17
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But it's it's definitely a thing. I think now a lot of people still feel, you know, if they haven't traveled the world and they haven't been to certain places that they're really missing out because, you know, someone that they they know has done all those things and has taken it. Yeah. um I think travel is a big thing people feel that with. I mean, some people even feel it like, oh,
Social Media's Influence on Happiness?
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I haven't dated enough people. You know, I just settled down after one serious relationship. So have I missed out on those of stuff? But in reality, if, If you're only feeling that way because of what other people have told you, or because of other people's experiences, actually, if you're just happy in your relationship, that there's nothing to say you're missing out on anything. No. I think the truth is, whatever choices you make, you're missing out on something else, aren't you? Yeah. Like maybe you only had one partner, but maybe you've had the best relationship. Like someone that's had loads of partners. Still looking for that. But still looking for it. It's going to be jealous of you, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:13
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I quite often see people like, obviously I like traveling, but you'll see people like, that hate traveling, trying to force it because they see it on socials and stuff. Yeah. I'm just honest, I'm not a huge fan of traveling. I find a lot of the traveling, you know, going all day quite stressful. Yeah. And I just sort of think to myself sometimes, well, I could just do without it. Yeah, yeah. I don't mind saying that. But that's like, that's because you're like in touch with like what you actually like. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, Yeah, I think the other thing is it's it's if you can try and separate yourself and know yeah your your preferences and what you actually do like from life and what you want to get out of life, it makes it much easier than trying to just try loads of stuff all the time. It's like if you know, you know some people will tell you like, oh, I just love to try different food and stuff. Well, there's nothing wrong actually if you just like a particular cuisine and you want to have that cuisine all the time. There's nothing wrong with that. That's me. Yeah. To be fair, I like it. I do like everything, but I do eat the same stuff all the time.
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Yeah. There's no, there's no problem with that though. Like, no, people shouldn't think less of you for that. ah hu you know like You're less cultured or something. no You might've tried everything like once and just decided what you want to stick with. That's absolutely fine. So, um, yeah, it's trying to, it's trying to find ways to, uh, block out some of that outside, outside noise. Yeah. I guess it's like, and i I don't know if this is a self-help podcast but I guess like whatever you do like ah there's gonna be some kind of like consequence or like you're gonna miss on something different something else i I think the interesting thing is on the sort of second part that we're talking about with I think this is something that changes over time especially you get older
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the things that you find fun or the things you get excited for and how they, like that might have seemed something really small and trivial before.
Changing Sources of Joy with Age
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Yeah. But definitely as people get older, for example, how excited they get to have a coffee is what I think of. Right. If you were, if you're 10 years old and someone says, do you want a coffee? be like absolutely no way yeah or you might go yeah right yeah when people get to the of their 30s oh i need a coffee oh i've got to have a coffee yeah oh yeah i'm seeing such such when we're going for a coffee can't wait yeah i think it's like appreciation isn't it yeah i get that though i get it like yes got a new client i'll be like buzzing yeah but like
00:19:37
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maybe when you're a kid, it's like, I need a new toy. Or, yeah, I can definitely get that. Or I can be like, oh, I've got nothing to do tonight. It's interesting, the weight that those things hold. It's the same thing happening at different times in your life, but the importance you put to it. It's the same chemical reaction in your brain, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I still probably get excited to watch a football match just as much as I did. Maybe even more so now, actually. Maybe just, I just get stressed. Yeah, there's definitely stress there. Are you going to watch the Euros? yeah i'll see some of some of it we've already mentioned like not a massive not a massive uh international fan to be fair i would sit and watch the other games i just
00:20:13
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seeing the ones I find the hardest to watch. Because I don't want to become invested. No, the players. I did watch um the overlaps of the day with with Rooney on it. And he was talking about how we would set the team up compared to Southgate. And I was like, yeah. That's the problem, isn't it, though? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's not go too far into football. But yeah, other forms, there's there's lots of other examples, I'm sure you can think quite a few, where you find fun in things that 10 years ago or 15 years ago, you'd have gone like, that'll be so boring yeah, so boring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's like for someone like I, I have really short like short attention span and I find that so comforting that I can get that buzz now from something that's not costing me loads of money or yeah my health, you know? and And on the flip side, things that you used to get really excited about as a, as a kid, like, um,
00:21:09
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Remember the first time you got a mobile phone, right? Yeah. Or... Do you know what? Give you your first iPhone. The first time I got a mobile phone, my brother gave me his. And he left all of his numbers on it. So I text everyone on the phone saying, ring me. I don't know why. Did I? Yeah. A couple of them. What did you say? Nothing. I was too nervous to answer. Just hang up. Yeah.
00:21:32
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So like, text all of his mates, ring me. I think like two rang me, a couple of them were like, who's this? And I was just like, I'm not replying. Scared. Yeah. You put the phone in the fridge. What a weird thing to do. Yeah. um But yeah, you you would have been so excited to get that phone, wouldn't you? I remember the first time I sent something via infrared. Oh my god, yeah. Did a file transfer, like an MP3 track across infrared, and that was really exciting. Do you remember Game Boy? Yeah. Because you could play infrared. Yeah. It wasn't very good, but I remember like trading a Pokemon via Game Boy. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. That's the sort of thing. and But now, if you went and got a phone today, you'd just be like, well, I've got a phone. I'm replacing the phone because I want one that's quicker. And you see it's quite a functional object. Yeah.
00:22:15
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So I guess it's the purpose, isn't it? That's attached to these things. Do you know what? For the first time, I don't know how long my can my contract ran out and I just got sim only. Like, that's progress. Yeah, exactly. Because any other time I would have just been like...
00:22:29
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I mean, last two years ago, I had to get a new phone, but there's nothing wrong with mine. So I was like, my God, I'm gonna make such a save then. Yeah. But you would have geeked out and read all the spec and all of that stuff. And it would have been really important to... but The thing is with nowadays that you just don't notice a massive difference with phones, do you? It doesn't feel like things have moved on that much, I guess. So maybe if there was something really innovative, that excitement would come back. But it does just seem like things just... Well, slightly different shape, but it's got like an extra camera on the back or something. I have toyed with the ideas of getting with an idea of getting an iPad a few times, but I just don't know if I'd do you use it. I know you use one, but yeah use it face I like a keyboard. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:15
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It's quite good for editing video and stuff. The Apple just know what they're doing, don't they? You go in there and you're like, oh, this looks so good. yeah I just have it all. Yeah. I mean, I was looking at the the new iPad mini and I thought, there's no reason I need that, but it was a nice size. You know, it looked quite good. And I thought, okay. I almost bought one of them once. Yeah. Absolutely. No, I'm so glad. didn't Yeah. Um, do you know what? Something like, I mean, we're going off subject again, but something I want that I'm going to buy myself at some point is I want to Garmin. I want to move away from potentially from Apple watch when mind dies just because I want some more stats. I love a stat.
00:23:52
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And I think, unless I go Apple Watch Ultra... Have you seen the device that a lot of the footballers are wearing? No. For this tournament? Have you heard of the Aura Ring? Yes. Yeah. They're what? In games? apparently Well, apparently loads of players have suddenly, like, now got them. Okay. I know it gives a real deep insight into sleep and stuff, doesn't it? Yeah. I just don't... I don't know if I want to wear a ring, you know? I'm not a ring guy. No. No. Yeah. I don't know much about your ring. Obviously the the main like fitness ones, there's, you know, Fitbit, Garmin. Garmin seems to be really like good for like runners. They link with Strava and everything really well though. Yeah. But I think the problem I've got with Apple Watch for running
00:24:36
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is one, my Apple Watch is really inaccurate. If I run a 10K and sets rather on my phone, my watch only says 9K. So that's quite a big difference. um So I don't know which one's more correct. They're probably a little bit both, a little bit out. and But that might just be because my Apple Watch is old. But if you wanna do like split, say I wanted to do like 500 meters at this pace and then 200 meters at this next pace, you can't set that on your Apple Watch. right But with a Garmin, you can like build the workout. Yeah, that's quite cool. So for stuff like that, I think it would be more useful. um And I think the maps are better. and So yeah, stuff like that. But apparently the Woop band's pretty good. But I think it's like 150 quid. You don't even get a screen. Yeah, I know. And then it's a monthly subscription. And I think it's 30 quid. Yeah, that's quite pricey. That's a lot, isn't it?
00:25:33
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That was the thing I thought with, for like there's a lot to be said for the Apple Watch and some of the things that are and annoying about it yeah in the stats, but you have got a screen, which is nice. yeah Some of these other devices that don't have a screen just feels and i like you're missing out, doesn't it? And the Apple Watch SC is, I think, really good value. Yeah, I'm pretty pleased with mine. Yeah, I got Zoey one and for Christmas. and its Mine's older, but it's better than mine. And mine would have been, I mean, I didn't pay, I bought it, I bought it like reconditioned, I think. Mine would have been like 450 quid. So if you want a fitness watch, buy an SE. But yeah, the aura rings meant to be okay, I think, but I don't know if I want to wear a ring. No. Yeah. I don't know what the sleep date is meant to be like on them as well.
00:26:21
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But do you find, do you get quite excited when you're looking at these sort of gadgets and stuff? I get, yeah. I get excited about the stats. Yeah. So it's the thing. So actually it's the stats and what it means underneath, which is actually more powerful now than, I've got this device that's really flashing up. It's the progress. Yeah.
Functionality vs. Materialism
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we already said like, neither of us are that materialistic like I like nice stuff like if I want to buy something normally I'll be like oh what's the best thing I can get for that yeah and I want to know that I'm always of the opinion I'm happy to pay more if I know it's gonna work if it's gonna be a better product yeah rather than just because it's got a particular label or brand on it yeah I think I understand now
00:27:01
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the the value of having something that's a really good product as opposed to just a good brand or a good name. Yeah. So like I'm never going to be up buying Gucci sliders. Yeah. If I win the, if I win the lottery, I'm good. Yeah. Because what can they do for me? But if you could bring me some like fitness sliders that measure my stats. Yeah. Maybe I'm in the day that Gucci start putting a chip in them and give you all your sleep data as well. So you sleep on board. Yeah. No, to be fair, I reckon, would you, would you get the, um, the chip that Elon's making. that's an um bit Someone's had it now, hasn't they? Have they? Yeah. I don't know. mean There's a video of him like playing the piano or something. Yeah, yeah. And I think he's playing chess with his brain on a computer. Yeah. That's mad, isn't it? It's pretty crazy. I think where that will be in a year.
00:27:54
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He said that it's going to cost, I don't know, like $10 million dollars when it's finished to get it. But he said that if you buy it, you'll make the money back within two years because you'll be so much smarter than everyone else. It's a good sales pitch. I mean, it is, but how... I mean, you're appealing to pretty high net worth people to start with, aren't you? Yeah. they Like, think of the divide between the rich and poor. That's the last thing, isn't it? It's going to absolutely mental. Yeah. Hopefully nice people buy it. It won't be there will it? Greedy people buy it. It's going to be the worst. It's going to be the worst people going if you end up with that. Or like decrepit yeah old people. Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. and How do you feel about Elon Musk?
00:28:45
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Um, I don't really have too much of an opinion. I think what, what the guy, some of the technology that he's been a part of developing, I mean, even with PayPal, yeah he's he's done some, he's been involved in some really amazing stuff, which we use every day. Um, Yeah, or him personally. I don't know. I think I can't work out if he sometimes says things because he knows it sort of helps his overall brand and sort of says things for every action almost because he knows it'll put him me in the news for stuff. um
00:29:17
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But yeah, in terms of what he's done and his innovation, he's definitely trying to push things. And I think he's trying to do it for the right reasons. Yeah, I think he's got a conscience, hasn't he? Yeah. I don't feel like he's in it for the money. No, it's almost just part of it for him is the fact that he's the point at which he's operating in, it will bring the money. Yeah. Because after, I mean, a lot of people would have been part of something, I mean, he was part of, read quite a lot of stuff about his early development and he was part of loads of startups and things and he made good money from them and he could have just got out any one point, yeah but he wants to keep progressing things, he wants to basically leave his mark on humanity in a positive way and develop technologies and make life easier for people. So he's definitely, I think he's got the right intentions. Yeah, yeah.
00:30:03
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But the the trouble is, like all these things, it's a bit like we said before with, you know, Steve Jobs developing a supercomputer for your pocket. Once you develop things like that and they become available to everybody, what people do with that and how it can damage them is a bit out of
Elon Musk: Innovation and Impact
00:30:19
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your hands. Yeah. So if he's developing technology, that's this powerful. It's like AI, isn't it? Yeah. Maybe we should do an AI pod. Yeah. People won't know if it's actually us or not. Oh my God. deep fake. But that's the thing, isn't it? That's the danger. He's operating with really, really powerful stuff. It's like people who, you know, before, I guess before the technology revolution, people who were developing medicine and stuff or industrial processes
00:30:45
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They were obviously using it for four for positive things, but that once you've created it, it can get into the wrong hands and you've kind of, yeah. yeah But that's not that's not his fault. no Humanity would do that regardless. He's come out, hasn't he, and said that, with the AI thing, he said that people should stop. Yeah. Which scares me. Yeah. Cause he's obviously seen things which scare him. Yeah. And he's way smarter than we are. Yeah. Have you seen um Dark Waters? It's a film I watched recently. So like what you were saying about the innovation. So it's, I'm not going to go into it too much, but there's, it's basically a film about, um, a company that makes it's Teflon. isn And when they make Teflon, they make like a, there's like a chemical that's made that, um, it's carcinogenic. So like if you ingest it.
00:31:35
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it's probably gonna give you cancer, but it can't be destroyed. It's like eight carbons in a row, so the body can't break it down. And they were just dumping it in the ground because they didn't really know what to do with it. But because like the American authorities didn't know it existed, there was no like there was no law against dumping it in the ground. yeah So basically the film's about how they're just dumping it and people are getting sick. ah And then this lawyer over the over like 15 years manages to like Find out what it is. Yeah, and the company knew that it would kill people and they just been covering it up Yeah, well, it was the same. Have you ever seen that film? Erin Brockovich no, someone told me it's similar same same sort of thing Yeah, again, it's a I think it's a memory of power company or something You know is a company who basically doing the same thing. It's the waste product which they're just
00:32:30
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kind of, yeah, burying or putting somewhere, and all the people locally are getting ill, just going to the water and stuff, and they've been covering it up for years. Yeah, well it's a similar story then, but probably for a different reason. I think it's the scary thing, I think that's happening everywhere all the time. Yeah, you don't know what you don't know. No. so like At the end of the film, it was like everyone in the world and 99% of all living organisms have got this C8 in them from where they were making Teflon.
Environmental Concerns: Chemical Pollution
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yeah And it can never be got rid of, like your body can't get rid of it. I guess it's passed down to... Yeah, that's mad.
00:33:04
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Yeah, there's loads of things. I remember um when my brother had a um was diagnosed with a peanut allergy and a soy allergy. So we're kind of trying to find out a little bit more about where those things appear in food. Yeah. And he used to have a very minor reaction to things that had ah a product in it called soy deciathan. And basically, when you actually do the research about this soya lysiothin, what it is, it's effectively like a kind of gloop or like a pulp. So once they take all the good stuff from soya, which obviously actually is quite ah um is ah is a full complete protein, yeah the stuff that remains, they're like, well, what do we do with this?
00:33:42
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ah So they just sort of turn into a pace and it ends up in stuff like biscuits and loads of other stuff. Like a Vulcan agent. Yeah, like in a emulsifier, you know, kind of thickener. And it just is like, well, we don't know what else to do. So just dump it into that. There's no, there's no nutritional value. And also it's like, well, that's probably not a good thing, is it? If it's almost a waste product no of the good stuff. But no one would know what it is. So we just give it a name, to put it in things and... See ya. Yeah. You get paid for it. Yeah. Yeah, it's mad. So, yeah, it's quite scary when you look into these things in more detail. There was a thing come out recently, wasn't there, that said that... and then Isn't there like micro plastics in every male's testes now? Something like that, yeah. So that basically all men have got like a lower testosterone than they would have had like five, 50 years ago, 60 years ago. Yeah.
00:34:31
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We need to all get on the gear. All get on the points. Yeah. Just to get back to the normal level. Just to get to normal levels. Yeah. Mad. Yeah. Okay. We've probably gone way off subject. Definitely gone way off subject. Anyway, so are you excited about any of that? So depressing. Do you know what is... Oh, there was something exciting. No, no. Let's finish on something exciting. What have you got to say that's exciting? Let's do a bit of good news. Well, it's a Friday afternoon. It is a Friday afternoon. So that's nice. You working tomorrow? Finishing. Probably. But it's a Saturday, so I don't feel guilty if I do work all day. Nice. Nice. What about Sunday?
00:35:15
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um sunday Sunday... Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, actually Sunday will probably be a bit more of a chill day. Family day. Gym in the morning. Nice. And then... ah New last week this week? Yep. So that was that is exciting. How's the gym felt? It's been a bit tougher. Yeah, it has been tougher. I definitely noticed the difference, um but not hugely. Still managed to push on on the push workout, managed to actually go a little bit harder to start with. It's just the fatigue definitely hits quicker. Yeah.
00:35:47
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but I think that that's to be expected when you've got less calories in the system. so yeah yeah But yeah, no, that's actually exciting. Seen really good progress with that. um Still waiting for hopefully a few really exciting developments with some of the work bits. New employee, hopefully. Yep. Got the event coming up in a few weeks, which is really exciting. so Should we advertise that on here? Yeah, so for anybody who is in Norwich or wider Norwich area, we've got a really exciting um event which is going to be the first in a series of events that we'll be hosting um where we're basically going to have, you know, fine locations, really nice locations, some drinks, some canapes or some food um and have some really great speakers.
00:36:31
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So we've got a fantastic speaker for the first event, um John Reed, who's the CEO of Paddy and Scott's Coffee Company, who are doing some amazing stuff um within the coffee industry. Really, really ambitious brand. And yeah, he's going to be sharing his story, which is a really inspirational one. um about a personal side of it and also the business side. So yeah, it's gonna be a great event and hopefully these events will be happening probably every six to eight weeks yeah um going forward. And as I say, it's all about really sparking a really good conversation, bringing people together, um no formalities, know none there no checklists or anything.
Upcoming Networking Event in Norwich
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This will be just about promoting conversation and hopefully some really good relationships. since it's like
00:37:12
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a networking event, but non-clicky. So you can meet you know if you've got a little business or you know you you want to make new connections, you want to make friends. yeah that's what yeah That's the whole idea. We want it to feel a really supportive environment and where people will hopefully, once they've come to one, they will come to more and you know over time, hopefully we can get more and more people involved. um But yeah, we really want to share stories, not just of the success, but how people have overcome things. I think that's really important. And yeah, to do that in person feels quite special. We all listen to podcasts all the time, but actually to be in the room yeah and meet people and ask them questions about that on the back of it, I think will feel really powerful. So yeah, watch this space. Tickets are available for Eventbrite. Yeah. If anyone wants to drop either me or Ben or DM, we'll send you the link. Yeah. And look forward to seeing you there. Yeah.
00:38:02
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So I think we should leave that podcast there. I don't know if we did the ah the subject justice. Hopefully we did. I think we did. That's part one. Yeah. Part one. I hope you're all good. I hope you have a ah fantastic weekend if you listen to this ah on Friday and ah we'll see you all next week. See you next week.