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Journeys into Wild Space - CLONES! with Mary | 033
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Join Branwen and Seah as they deep dive into all things Star Wars. Follow along as we fly off exploring all the wonders and geekery of a Galaxy Far, Far Away, chatting nostalgia, worlds, lore, sound, music, story, behind the scenes, and much more with each other and some very special guests.
We've hit Season 3! This is our second 'Journeys into Wild Space' episode, where we're deep diving into all things CLONES, in preparation for our Clone Wars watch episodes which start next week. This episode we're joined by the fabulous Mary, our resident Clone expert. We get into how the clones came to be, their equipment and vehicles, what happened after the Clone Wars, and of course, above all else, our Clones Hall of Fame where we discuss and celebrate all of the individual clones we know and love so well...
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Transcript
Introduction and Season Excitement
00:00:15
Speaker
Welcome to your second journey into Wild Space with Sisters the Force. i am Bramlyn. And I'm Sia. Hello. And we're back with another episode. This is our second episode in season three. How are you feeling, Sia? Oh my gosh. Second episode in season three. It doesn't really feel real.
00:00:32
Speaker
I know. Not yet. And it was a few weeks ago that we did the Hidden Fortress one. Yeah, so but I'm just confused. I've forgotten everything Perpetually confused. Yeah. But it is amazing to be back. I am really excited about this
Journey into Wild Space
00:00:45
Speaker
episode. This episode is kind of interesting. It's kind ah of a bridge because as you may have heard in our Hidden Fortress episode, we're doing these one-offs, which are called Journeys into Wild Space, of which this is the second, where we're going to just delve into all different aspects of Star Wars, some factual stuff, some story stuff, all of the different things. And we get to go wherever we want
Clone Wars Connection and Spoiler Alert
00:01:06
Speaker
to go. we do with with whoever we want to go there with, yeah which is very exciting. um
00:01:12
Speaker
But yeah, this particular episode also connects to the other main part of season three, which is a Clone Wars episode. re-watch for me and first watch for me yeah yeah so yeah this has got both this has got both this is it's wild space because it's like a kind of specific episode about a particular aspect of star wars but it's also part of the clone wars yes and i'm going in blind this is going to be one of the most interesting podcast episodes for me because i feel like i'm now a guest on my own podcast yeah I love that for you. I think it's cool. I'm so excited. have done zero prep. this This episode is kind of your prep, in a way. Like, you're going to be prepped for Clone Wars, as are you, dear listener, when you listen to this episode. It's going to get you into Clone Wars mood. It's going to get you into Clone Wars knowledge. It's going to prepare you.
00:02:09
Speaker
And while we're on the subject, there may... be some spoiler material for the Clone Wars. Oh yeah, that's true. yeah so If your memory is anything like mine, it won't matter because you won't remember by the time it gets to it, by the time we get to the rewatch. But if you would rather avoid spoilers, maybe save this episode for later on
Introducing Guest Mary and Her Clone Passion
00:02:28
Speaker
down the line. Yeah.
00:02:29
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we're going to try not to give away too many Clone Wars secrets, but I think you can't really talk about what we're going to talk about without doing that a bit. So this episode was kind of inspired by our guest, who we've yet to introduce. She's sitting there very quietly. but She's doing very well. but The lovely Mary is back home.
00:02:50
Speaker
Hi! Hello, Mary! Sitting quietly, but very wiggly. She is really wiggly. You did a great job. Staying off mic just for a few minutes while we ruffled. But yeah, you said to us a little while ago how much you loved the clones. Yeah. I can't help feeling that you influenced the fact that we're doing the Clone Wars as our next season. I did offer to do you an essay on clones when... This is it. This is your essay on clothes. this is it. I think that is the origin of this episode. Although if you can see my notepad in front me, I feel like I might have done the essay written. You've also done the essay on clothes. They're just great. I love clones. love the clones. And we'll go into it a bit more. I'm sure we will. And thank you for having me back. What an honour and a privilege. So exciting. It's always pleasure.
00:03:40
Speaker
Yeah, you're so much part the Sisters of the Force gang and it's great to have you here. Yeah, clones. Like, I was very excited when you said that because out of everything in the Clone Wars, I feel like I am missing...
00:03:51
Speaker
some clones knowledge some clone details and clone i mean obviously i've i've watched the clone wars and i've seen the clones pop up in many other things i've watched the bad batch i've watched rebels they're there in all of those things but this is going to be a bit of ah a journey for me as well i think so thank you yeah suggesting being our resident clone expert i just i just sort of really latched onto them it might be a sort of quasi therapy session for me what Why do you
Emotional Impact of Clone Wars
00:04:17
Speaker
like the clones? Yeah, let's do this. So why? Okay, this is a two-part question. What is it about the clones? Okay, what is it about the Clone Wars? Because I know it's one of your fave Star Wars-like things.
00:04:28
Speaker
And then more specifically, what is it about the clones? Why do you think they grabbed you in the way that they did? Lovely. Okay, part A. I love how the Clone Wars just really fills out that space for us between episode two and episode three. And we get to learn so much about loads of different planets and species and characters and... Yeah, it's just, it's so rich and so deep. I find it really exciting. It might be my favourite Star Wars if you're like, you can only watch one more Star Wars thing forever. I probably would choose Clone Wars. And then the reason I love the clones is I think their brotherhood, the way that they fight for and love each other, and yet they're individuals. And we don't see that at all in the movies, But you get into Clone Wars and you're learning about the individual clones. Yeah, and their development and their stories and they're funny and clever. and Sounds like I want to date the clones. I don't. but ah they They're really great. And there are clones who like don't want to fight and secrets and intrigue. So much intrigue. but So much intrigue. They get me right in the feelings. And they're just another pawn Palpatine's battle, that that whole thing. And you I just have loads of empathy for the clones, I think. yeah And sort of the droids as well. yeah you know Everybody was a pawn. I'm making myself sad. What? I mean, The Clone Wars is a bit of a tragedy. i mean, it's got its kind of funny moments and lighthearted episodes along the way, a lot of it is pretty hard going, you know, emotionally.
00:06:07
Speaker
And ultimately, it's a tragedy. We know where it's going. Spoiler alert. Oh, my goodness. I don't think any of us are ready to relive Order 66 again.
Bad Batch and Clone History
00:06:16
Speaker
Not ever ready for it. And yet Lucasfilm keep throwing it at us. I know. all the different flashbacks, Grogu flashbacks in Mando. It's like, That was enough. We're not ready. It's all too soon. can't handle it. So many flashbacks. that's that I really love that. And I love what you said about us not really differentiating the clones in the movies. I hadn't actually thought of that, but it's true. Yeah, they don't they don't have personalities at all. Yeah.
00:06:43
Speaker
Yeah. My only knowledge of the clones is what we see in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. So nothing. thing You see a lot of them sort or fighting, but you don't really see yeah any of them. You don't connect with any of them. That's the same way that you see the battle droids fighting, but you don't connect with them. When I was younger, i and I wasn't as into Star Wars, I thought the clones were stormtroopers because they look very similar. And I thought, oh, big army of like sort of white helmets, stormtroopers, but they're absolutely like not at all. And and getting more into it helped me understand the difference. And obviously it was a different war essentially. but yeah yeah I feel like they did a great job of that going into the Bad Batch, which, you know, it picks up the baton, if you like, as Clone Wars ends at Order 66, pretty much. And the Bad Batch starts at Order 66 and continues onwards. Yeah, you get to see like the development of the Stormtrooper regime, Project War Mantle, which is where they kind of started recruiting.
Clone Development and Transition
00:07:42
Speaker
Oh.
00:07:43
Speaker
that when they started stealing children or is that later on? Well, no, I think it's recruits. I think the First Order did the children stealing yeah and I'm pretty sure the Empire did as well. But yeah the yeah early sort proto-stormtroopers were recruited soldiers and they've got a very different character.
00:07:59
Speaker
Even though, as you said, Mary, all the clones have got different kind of characters within themselves, they're all quite different from stormtroopers, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. I think fundamentally clones are good. They're kind of are programmed in a way. I mean, they're, don't want to say human, but they're essentially... mean, they are in a way. They're like growing from you. Yeah. And they have sort of things tinkered in their brains, which we learn out a bit more throughout the Clone Wars, but they're good. They're cool. save people and... They're like children in a way because, hey, we're jumping ahead into some of the science.
00:08:37
Speaker
But the way the Kaminoans bred the clones, they did some genetic modification. They accelerated them, didn't they? Yeah, they grow twice the speed. yeah Right. So when they go into war, they look and whatever as though they're around 20 years old or whatever, but really they've only been a alive for 10 years. Yeah. And it's a really interesting like combination of nature and nurture, where they which is specific to cloning, I guess, where they've inherited some of Django Fett's kind of characteristics and skills and obviously his face and you know physique and stuff and his voice. But...
00:09:09
Speaker
They also learn new things through their training and everything else, which I'm sure we'll talk about. And as you said, Mary, they tinker with them. They do tweak the genetic stuff, partly to do the the speeding up of the growth, but they also make them more docile. They take out some of the aggression, which sounds counterintuitive, but it means they can then like retrain them how they want them to fight. Sure. So rather than just using Django's aggression, and he was like, we never we didn't get to
Clone Individuality and Armor
00:09:37
Speaker
see much about Django. No. Jango was quite a short-lived character. But I got the feeling he wasn't a particularly good guy. You know he was a bounty hunter. Yeah.
00:09:48
Speaker
Yeah, so they they didn't necessarily want all of his characteristics. So they did some, yeah. Did some little mods. But I love seeing how they got his face and they all at the same. And you think that could be really challenging for a TV show with that. But they all have, like, their own... um Like modifications? Modifications. So some of them have a little tattoo or different hairstyles. And yeah like the older ones start looking older, like the first gen ones, like your Rex and Cody's, start getting lines and stuff on their faces. and Quite early on. But you can tell each of the different ones and that's really lovely. So saying they have their own and personality and individuality, yeah that comes through in the way that they...
00:10:33
Speaker
I suppose they choose to present themselves. Yeah, and they choose to present themselves, which is interesting as well. There's a word there I can't reach, but... They do that in their armour as well. I always imagined in my memory, maybe that's because I'm just basing my memory on Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, that they all look the same, which maybe not so much in Revenge of the Sith, but Attack of the Clones, they're all new. They're fresh off the production line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they do all look very similar, and part of that's possibly the animation. Yeah. Restrictions of the time. Yes, sure. But as they go through the Clone Wars, they kind of add different colours and Rex has got his kind of eye things, which I didn't know about. you know about this? He's got these painted on eyes on his helmet, which is called Jaig Eyes, which comes from Mandoah.
Rex's Narrative Connections
00:11:21
Speaker
The Mandoah is Jaigalara la Surhaise, which means tree cork eyes. Oh, wow. I didn't know. They're sort of worn as a combat honour. And they're like on top of his helmet, above his eyes, there's like a couple of like these kind of hawk eye things. And if you watch Rebels, Kanan has, when he wears his eye mask thing, spoiler alert, he has the same things painted on there as well, which i think he had met Rex by that point. And yet yeah, found a connection with him through that, which is really cool.
00:11:54
Speaker
I love when some of the clones pop up in other series' and it gives me so much joy. It's the best. I think I fell in love more with the Clone Wars when I was watching The Bad Batch.
00:12:07
Speaker
yeah because I just love the Bad Batch. I love the sort of microness of it compared to the macro of the Clone Wars like you were talking about earlier. The Clone Wars is huge. yeah Whereas the Bad Batch, it just follows like five or six characters in quite close proximity to each other most of the way.
00:12:22
Speaker
But you do dip into Clone Wars type things and you meet other clones and everything else after the war and everything. wow And it made me kind of love the Clone Wars in a new way. And jumping a bit, but that's made me remember something I meant to say earlier. But when we're in Bad Batch and we're learning about, like, the phasing out of the clones um and how basically it's a lot cheaper just to get these recruits in. And, yeah, so they just start sort of phasing out the clones and treating them really badly. Yeah, yeah it's really it's pretty sad, especially after, like... You've seen them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, they're fighting for the Republic. It's... Yeah. Yeah. And we've gone through that journey with them. You know, we've gone through seven seasons of war with them. And okay, they're not in every episode of the Clone Wars, but they're in a high percentage of them. So then to go into something like Bad Bat, even there's one in Obi-Wan Kenobi, isn't there? There's like a little way of action moment. Oh,
00:13:20
Speaker
yeah And there's, okay, I'm not sure about this. I was looking at, which while we're talking about, this isn't a random joke, while we're talking about clones popping up in other things, there was a debate for like a decade or two in Return of the Jedi, when they're doing the bunker thing on Endor, hands leading them on, you know, the raid of the Imperial bunker to blow up the ship.
00:13:41
Speaker
dish and everything there's a shot next to the bunker where they do an ambush on some stormtroopers and there's a guy with a white beard and he looks a bit like an old captain rex and everyone's like that's captain rex before we even knew who captain rex was And it seemed to be denied for years.
Enriching the Star Wars Universe
00:14:00
Speaker
And I'd just forgotten all about it because I was like, oh, because I did kind of want it to be. i mean, it's coincidence, obviously. It's just like a background actor playing a rebel soldier.
00:14:09
Speaker
yeah But it would make sense. And timeline-wise, it kind of works. Yeah. When you see Rex in in Rebels, he's got the beard and, you know, it could be him. And then so when I was looking at but about Rex on Wikipedia, it says, yeah, he appeared in Return of the Jedi. Oh.
00:14:24
Speaker
That would be so lurch. I don't know Listener, is this canon? Am i was I accidentally on the Legends page? I don't know. Can you confirm? Do we know? Confirm or deny. But yeah, I love the way that they pop up in other things. And I love the way other things from the Clone Wars, going back, touching back on your point earlier on about the scale of the Clone Wars.
00:14:47
Speaker
I mean, it's huge. Listener, if you've never watched it, you're you're in for a ride. It's wild. it's Oh my God. We'll go on it together. i haven't done it either. I've got no idea what's going on. It's is's called an anthology in that it's not just specifically a timeline. It doesn't follow...
00:15:05
Speaker
like one particular route through the era, it jumps around in time quite a bit. that If you go on yeah you know the internet somewhere, you can find like the actual chronology of it and it isn't the same order as the release order of the episodes. Haven't you done this in chronological order?
00:15:21
Speaker
Have you done chronological order? So I did all of Star Wars in chronicolod kind of chronological order, but I didn't take the time to organise the Clamables episodes in chronological order. Fair enough. Okay, that makes sense. I'm a great lover of like release order anyway because I feel like the designers of the show wanted to tell the story in this particular In a particular way, yeah, sure. And that always makes more sense to me. Otherwise, you might get things spoiled or whatever. I don't know. The anthology thing means that we get all of these like varied stories from all different places of the galaxy, some on the front line, some back on Coruscant.
00:15:58
Speaker
We get loads and loads of new characters and some of them have really stuck with fans, not just the clones. Obviously, there are clones that have popped up in all sorts of places now. yeah And I'm sure we're going to get some Clone Wars callbacks in Ahsoka Season 2. yeah, there's characters that people have really fallen in love with. And i think that's really awesome. that yeah And this is another reason why we're doing the Clone Wars as our next season, just because there's so much...
00:16:23
Speaker
And will keep us busy for a really long time. Yeah, we don't have to think about what we're going to next for a very long time. I think that it really brings me a lot of joy watching other things when there's lovely little nods to the Clang Wars. And I think, oh my God, great, I know that. And it feels really nice. That's why I would encourage anyone to watch Clang Wars. Yeah.
00:16:46
Speaker
I think especially because it's an animated show as well. And there is a bit of a hierarchy of animated shows don't get so much coverage. People don't watch them as
Character Development in Clone Wars
00:16:54
Speaker
much. People don't take them as seriously as much. And yet Clone Wars is one of the most, as you said, rich shows of Star Wars. There's so much. And I feel that is vindication for us lovers of this animated show when it pops up in live action. It is. Is that changing or am I just in a different space? Yeah, I think so. I think maybe. You could say, you know, with the more Shadow Lord recently being released as animation, feels like there's lots of room in that space. I feel like there is, yeah. I mean, obviously there's always been animation for adults, you know, cartoons for kids, whatever, you know, you could classify things in that way.
00:17:37
Speaker
But I do think Lucasfilm and other production companies, obviously, but Lucasfilm have been pioneering digital animation since Clone Wars. Clone Wars was the first show of its kind and the level of realism, which just gets better and better of every new thing that they do. yeah And the the stories, like we were saying, it's a tragedy, the Clone Wars. It's quite a dark story. It's not but particularly written for kids. There are some really dark episodes and...
00:18:02
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know, Sia. I don't really know. I know you watch quite a bit of it. watch lots of animation, yeah. Yeah. And it's not all fluffy in comedy. No. That's what Mary said to me the other day when we were crying watching something else. And I was like, I'm trying to get like this. And Mary was like, yes, you do. I've seen you do this over animated stuff. Yeah.
00:18:24
Speaker
Yeah. I definitely had some reactions like that to to more Shadow Lord. There were moments in that where I screamed or when I laughed and I cried. I did all of the predictable things that would happen to me with live action. yeah i mean, the the artistry of the show is now like how Lucasfilm animation is just unbelievable yeah what they've achieved. So another thing I love about Claymore's film.
00:18:48
Speaker
Go, do it. Tell us. So many characters that we get to know more and more, which is great. But I love how we follow Anakin more on his journey. And we see loads of fun, fun loving. I mean, he's in the middle of a wall. But like fun loving, actiony, living his best Jedi life Anakin. You know, it's not all sexual frustration. angsty. Or angsty. Less of the angst. It's not all moody teen or okay, and now I'm turning into Darth Vader. It's like this really lovely
Preparing for a Deeper Rewatch
00:19:23
Speaker
in-between. and he's there with Ahsoka, his Padawan, and you see their relationship and and his relationship with Rex, his clone, which is like lovely. um ah And just to shout out, to there's a scene in one episode where Rex is basically covering for Anakin and Padme. Wow. And Obi-Wan comes up and Rex is like banging on the door. And I just love that but like he just did that. That's what you do for your bestie, isn't it? Yeah. so yeah
00:19:55
Speaker
there There are some character traits of certain clones that are strongly affected by the lead characters that we know from the film. So yeah Cody, for instance, who is Obi-Wan's kind of number one, you know, he he likes Obi-Wan's cautiousness and his behaviour is a bit like Obi-Wan. I don't know whether he inherited that from working with Obi-Wan or whether that was just a natural part of his personality.
00:20:20
Speaker
And the same with Rex. Rex is like really quick thinking. He's very loyal, but he's got some parallel traits with Anakin. He's definitely not like Anakin. No, but I think what we get with Rex is more like shades of grey in that he can see that there is a space between is the way of... Yeah. This is okay. This is not okay. And he can recognize that, oh, actually there's, there's room for stuff in the middle. Yeah. Should we, cause I really want get into all of these specific clones, but I feel like I want to just talk a bit about like the background of the clones because part of this episode is for us, including you listener to get excited about the Clone Wars and, and like what it is that we love about and why we're going to rewatch and everything else. That's going to happen anyway. But the other part is I feel like I need to prep myself again. I've only seen it once. had to do a bit of revision earlier on today and kind of get us ready for going into the Clone Wars so that as watching we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, we know bit what's going here. We know where we are. We get more deep into it because we're not just blown away by the sheer amount of characters that it throws at us. Of course. Well, we have books for that. Yeah, I've got books here. We do. We've all got a lovely copy and you might want to buy this yourself, listener.
Kamino and Cloning History
00:21:38
Speaker
It's on Amazon. You can probably get it from other... Other booksellers are available. It's called Star Wars The Clone Wars Character Encyclopedia Join the Battle!
00:21:48
Speaker
And it's really good. I found mine on a wall. You don't even have to buy them, I don't know. Wandering around Bristol. There's copies of them everywhere. Just keep your eyes open. But it's really good. It's like a very easy read. It just dips into the characters and they're all there. Like I'm amazed at how detailed it There are some little tiny background characters. But we're we're focusing in a bit. This is to get us ready for the clones because the clones are probably the most populous ah members of the characters in Clone Wars. Sure. If that makes sense. I think it. I'm not sure. I just went with you on that. but i mean few clothes there also i clari that's there way an easy say
00:22:29
Speaker
and I feel like if we can get to grips with some of them, and there are those things that we were saying, like sometimes it is a bit like, oh, they look a bit alike. As we're going to find out, they don't all look exactly alike. But it would be a good starting point sort of delve into them a little bit, which is why we're here. So ah should we talk a bit about Camino?
00:22:46
Speaker
Camino is, yeah ah but by sort of coincidence, it's in Wild Space. And this episode is our second journey into a Wild Space. So we're going to Camino. We're literally going to Wild Space. Yeah.
00:23:01
Speaker
I hadn't realised or tweaked that it was in Wild Space. All I can remember is Dexter Jetser saying, it's like right up here by the Rishi Maze or whatever it is, which is in Wild Space. So it does make sense. don't know if we knew Wild Space was then.
00:23:15
Speaker
But yeah, I didn't also know this. This is another product of my research. Camino had an ice age and that they were all living in. oh And there was, for whatever reason, I don't know if we ever found out the reason, but they had a great
Mystery of the Clone Army's Order
00:23:27
Speaker
flood. Oh, wow. In and Noah's Ark kind of way. Interesting. rather than, you know, they're very much like keep themselves themselves, which is another thing that Dexter Jester says when he introduces Anakin to them. They kept themselves themselves, and they weren't a member of the Republic, and they didn't really want to be part of the Republic because they feared colonization, understandably. interesting. Because that tends to happen when climate's joined. So what they did to survive this ecological disaster was they developed and used genetic engineering to adapt themselves and other species on their planet to make themselves suitable for aqua, you know, aquatic ecology, which is quite wild. I think that's why they are good cloners. Yeah. Yeah. by a disaster on their planet they had to get good at cloning yeah and then I guess they just thought they'd turn it into a business. Wow.
00:24:19
Speaker
That's really interesting. Yeah, and so we we had all this stuff we mentioned it on one of our episodes a long, long time ago about CipherDias. CipherDias!
00:24:29
Speaker
do we so Do we see him in the Clone Wars or is he... your No, he's dead by then, isn't No, no. flash Do we see a flashback? I think we find his body. They're definitely... the Yeah, they're trying to find him, aren't they? Obi-Wan and Anakin. I think they're uncovering the conspiracy of the clones and and how it all happened. Oh, right. Yeah, because it is a bit weird. If you're Obi-Wan and you're like, wait... Oh, wait a second. Did anyone request this clone army? LAUGHTER I feel like I felt Obi-Wan's perplexed.
00:25:00
Speaker
like yeah That whole sequence in Attack of the Clones when he goes to visit Becoming Owens and he's just like, I'm just going to ride it you know? yeah And then the next thing, they're being delivered. Yeah. Wild. They were trying to figure out. So there is this light conspiracy... I'm still not sure exactly of the details. And no matter what I read, it feels like it's not consolidated. Sifo-Dyas apparently had a force vision of a war. And that's what prompted him to go rogue and order a clone army from the Kaminoans.
00:25:32
Speaker
Okay. But my question is, is that a genuine force vision of the future? or is that Palpatine? It's got Palpatine written all over it, isn't
Kaminoans and Ethical Implications
00:25:43
Speaker
it? It is. I mean, they very quickly, the Sith, Palpatine and Dooku took over quickly and organised Seifo-Deus' death by paying the pikes to...
00:25:54
Speaker
to blow his shuttle. There is definitely a story about this. I think it's that they find the guy that was with Sifo-Dyas on the shuttle. And he's gone a little bit kooky in this pike jail. Yeah. And they're sort of, yeah, yeah. And I think maybe Dooku murders him.
00:26:10
Speaker
I can't remember. he not necessarily spoiler. Yeah. Oh my gosh. But i love that. We learn more about the pikes as well. They're so funny. I mean, they're not funny. They're crime lords. but I mean, they're a little bit funny. They're a little bit funny. Yeah, so that there is this whole conspiracy thing and I love that.
00:26:28
Speaker
But yeah, we had Nala Se, who is one of the the kind of main engineers. I do love the Kaminoans. They're so beautiful. They're beautifully designed. So graceful and sort of floaty. yeah They're like our classic aliens. They're the closest thing to aliens that we would have thought of as aliens before Star Wars, I feel like. Yeah. yeah Like the the greys, you know, those kind of... The greys. Except that the whites. Yeah. know Well, they're, yeah, you know, questionable motives. yes come Yeah. I mean, they, i think ultimately they were just business people and and scientists. It's that classic thing. It's like Pershing in The Empire and... Yeah.
00:27:09
Speaker
Galen Erso designing the Death Star, like they're doing their thing without realising, mean, they know they're building soldiers. But yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Just, well, because like the whole thing with fives and the inhibitor chip and like they know they're reporting back to Palpatine and they're like, oh, they found the inhibitor chip and they mention Clone Order 66. So they know it's a thing. Maybe they don't know what it's going to trigger. don't know because they design it.
00:27:35
Speaker
I don't know who programmed it Yeah, I don't know. This is something we'll discover along the way, maybe. Interesting. Yeah, it just, oh, you know, it's it's raw. colon still recovering Still recovering and going in again.
00:27:50
Speaker
There is more about this in the Bad Batch as well, because obviously they've got
Clone Training and Special Forces
00:27:53
Speaker
ships. But as we' we'll get to the Bad Batch, I think, in a bit, as they are in the Clone Wars too. They are. yeah So Topoca City is the big place that we see. When we think of Camino, we're thinking of Topoca City, really, which is one of the big dome cities. Sure.
00:28:09
Speaker
And that's where they've got this training facility. And apparently in Legends, I don't know if this is carried over yet, but don't think it's been denied yet. They had all these learning and training areas with sort of simulated battlefield conditions, like moving floor plates and wind generators and all this kind of stuff so that they could do training. Okay, interesting. Do we get to see much of it? We see a little bit. Okay. We see the Citadel Challenge. Do you remember the Citadel Challenge, Mary? It's bit like capture the flag. We see them training. They have to pass. Yeah. There's definitely an episode about cadets, I'm sure. Yeah, and we see them and there's this one group and they can't really work together very well. Yeah, domino squad. Yeah. Yeah, told us, oh, we're going to fail and we're going to make it and I won't give it away, but it's a lovely ending. And yeah, yeah, we see that. Yeah. And we see it, I think, in the episode about Clone Force 99 as well, in the Bad Batch. Yes. Because Tarkin is trying to like, is he trying to finish off the Bad Batch? He switches it to live ammunition and they're like, whoa, yeah.
00:29:12
Speaker
yeah But I guess the the training is is exactly what you'd imagine. So if you've ever played Capture the Flag or something like that, it's like you've got to get to the top of the thing yeah and you grab the pole thing and it stops ammunitions firing at you and everything. Right.
00:29:25
Speaker
Got you. yeah. Yeah. And it's it's all about teamwork, basically. It's teaching them to work like as as a squad. yeah think Yeah. Which some clones do better than others, as you say. Yeah.
00:29:37
Speaker
It's one of my favourite episodes. Thank There are like particular forces within the clones that have particular training, like the ARC Troopers. Particular jobs to do. ARC Troopers, yeah. Yeah, which stand for Advanced Reconnaissance Commandos. Okay. And so they've got a particular distinction, but there are loads of others. I started listing them. I was like, oh my God, there's so many. There's loads. There's loads.
00:29:59
Speaker
There was like the pilot division and the speeder bike ones and the troopers, which are trained to work on Coruscant and ordnance ones that are bomb specialists and
Rex's Character Development and Order 66
00:30:09
Speaker
all of this. so Can they then tweak all of this within not only their training, but also their genetics? I think it's mostly training. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think genetics wise, it's just, they're just trying to be efficient and get the right donor host. You know, they've got Django and...
00:30:25
Speaker
Yeah, they have to keep Django around because the genetic samples degrade as time goes on, which why Django lives there because they have to keep taking more DNA from him. But yeah, I think it's just to produce them and then once they're produced, they train them. So then there is a finite amount of clones because then we lose Django. We do, yeah.
00:30:42
Speaker
Yeah, there is there stuff about that is that. I'm not sure if it's actually in Clone Wars or in something else. Maybe it's Bad Batch about the sample thing. Yeah, yeah there's definitely something Bad Batch. Is that why they need Omega because she's like got O.G.? Yeah, yes, that could be the purpose of Omega. It's tickling my brain. I think you're right there. Okay, so that's a very good point. There are some also some other questions that we've had along the way. i can't remember where in the podcast, but at some point we were asking about did the Kaminoans build all the ships and equipment and everything? yeah, good point. Yeah, yeah. Where did that come from? I think they supplied it. right they kind of I'm guessing they charged the Republic for it. But all of those things were made by different companies. like Even the blasters, a lot of their blasters are made by Blastek, which make you know they're one of the biggest blaster manufacturers in the galaxy. So they're not specific to the clones. And the other weapons as well made by different companies. They've got some stuff made by C9. Yeah, so I think they just source the things. Yeah, yeah.
00:31:43
Speaker
yeah The vehicles as well, they are made by different companies. It's a big thing to keep under wraps, though, that as an operation. Yeah, yeah. Can I just have all of these blasters, please? Yeah, exactly. Into this like tiny little planet in the middle of world space.
00:32:00
Speaker
I mean, the clones are easy to keep secret because, like you say, they're in the of space. Nobody's going to know. They're just building. a But somehow, yeah, they've had to like commission all of these vehicles and weapons to be built.
00:32:12
Speaker
because it's a lot, you know. It's lot of stuff. There's a lot of clones. They've got of things. I didn't find out anything about the armour. Who made the armour. Oh, yeah, of course. I feel like that's got to be Kamina and um manufacture. It's very specific. Even that, though, it's based on Mandalorian armour. Yeah.
00:32:31
Speaker
Certainly the phase one armour is... More Mandalorian than anything else. yeah Also modelled off Django, maybe. yeah Yeah, specifically Django's, I guess. oh So should we get into the the Hall of Fame? because i a Hall of Fame, yes.
00:32:46
Speaker
So i've I've kind of picked... like A bunch of clones that I think are kind of key ones, but I'm sure, Mary, you're probably going to... You've got more. We've got to start with Rex. Captain Rex. Captain Rex. Okay. Rex is my favourite clone. I'm taking notes. There, I've said it. he's my He's my number one.
00:33:04
Speaker
Rex. I love the naming of clones, but before we go any further, Rex obviously means king. It's kind of a Latin yeah thing. But I only noticed the other day that Rex sounds a little bit like regs.
00:33:16
Speaker
Oh, the regs. Yeah, yeah, as opposed to like, that's what the Bad Batch call the regular clothes. all him clay Yeah, the non-anomalies. Normies of the clothes. So I don't know if that's a coincidence. Rex, regs. Yeah, yeah. He's like king of the regs,
Significant Clones and Their Roles
00:33:33
Speaker
I guess. Okay. What's his what's his vibe?
00:33:36
Speaker
He's so thoughtful and kind and caring and strong and brave. Aw. ah And just oh when we get to the Order 66 episodes, it's like him and Ahsoka and it's just, oh my goodness. It's powerful. I can tell because Mary's holding her heart. I am. I'm trying to keep all my feelings in my chest. I think maybe because we follow him the most as well and you just because he's so like caring but strong and like thoughtful he gets he earns the respect of like the clones and then like the other people around him and you follow him on this journey and I and like would follow him into battle he's just yeah but He's just brilliant. He's got a massive character journey. Yeah. He kind of takes his... Him and Ahsoka are arguably the stars. They're not the stars necessarily because you'd probably say Anakin is, you know, Anakin and Obi-Wan. They're all stars in their way.
00:34:34
Speaker
But because of the way the Clone Wars ends, it feels like Ahsoka and Rex are the protagonists. yeah And they share a similar journey because they start off enthusiastic. They're in the Clone Wars. They're doing their thing.
00:34:47
Speaker
But they gradually become more and more disillusioned and more and more questioning about why the war is happening. They're kind of starting to unpick the intrigue in their own individual ways. And I love that kind of mirroring of each other because they're very you know they fight together a lot. and Interesting. Okay. He does change. like His morals are tested. There's this whole thing with Pong Krell on Umbara Way. Krell.
00:35:15
Speaker
I can't even. It's a terrifying arc. Oh my goodness. It's a really hardcore arc, isn't it? Hardcore. Without spoilers, but Rex has to make a really difficult decision at the end. Unfortunately, somebody else kind of makes it for him. Okay.
00:35:31
Speaker
He shows his morals and... Yeah. Oh, exciting. It's the same thing with all of the clones. Like there is this, again, talking about the sort of duality of nature versus nurture, like they've been bred as soldiers. They've got inhibitor chips, but the inhibitor chips only really kick in at particular moments. They're not like controlling them all the time. No. So there's like, but there's also their training. And they are generally very much like follow orders. And some of the clones, as we'll go through our Hall of Fame, they very much stick to the rules. But some of them don't. And Rex is definitely one of those that if the moment is right, he will look at the bigger picture.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah. Obi-Wan says he thinks on his feet, which I think is a really good way of describing him. He's very adaptable. Sure. Okay. Which I think you have to be. oh Roger, Roger. Ha ha ha ha
00:36:24
Speaker
We've updated the soundboard. We just got a new little Rex quote, which is kind of ironic because he's delivering a battle droid line. Oh my God, is that in the one when they're on the Rishi Outpost and he's like pretending to be, yeah to get inside? Mary, you are like Queen of the Clone Wars. I didn't know that. I just was like looking for Rex quotes and I found that and I was like, oh yeah. It just makes me laugh. It's hilarious. So even that, like he's being very creative. He's impersonating the battle droid.
00:36:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. He's a legend. The end of his arc in the wake, because he's one of the few that has an extended arc beyond the show and how he forms the clone underground. We've already mentioned about the Empire like decommissioning the clones after that. of course. You know, as they're bringing in the Stormtrooper era. And so he is the founder of the Clone Underground, which is they free disillusioned troopers who want to defect and they rescue people from, you know, the situations that they've ended up in. They're just like really awesome. And he he kind of spearheads that, which I think is really awesome. Oh. Okay.
00:37:32
Speaker
And i ah another bit of a side one, but I love when he when they pop up in Rebels and they go and find Rex. And it's him and Gregor and Wolf, I think. They just start living their best retired clone life. Yeah, yeah, they sort of drag him back in, but they're just oh that they're still there like brothers. I think that's what gets me is like the brotherhood of it all. They found each other and they weren't particularly necessarily close along the way, but they found each other in the kind of post Order 66. Shall we talk about Wolf and Gregor? I think we'll move on to those as the next two. Gregor's really interesting to me.
00:38:10
Speaker
Go on. Yeah, go on then. Give us some Gregor, Wolf. So, I mean, the arc that it's in is like a random sort of droid adventure, which is excellent. But of at the end of it, they find Gregor and he sort of has amnesia, basically. Oh. Something happened. He lost his memory and they find him working as like a dishwasher or something in this, like, yeah, backwater town. And it's just wild. And they're like, oh, you're you're a clone. And he's like, what? Yeah.
00:38:39
Speaker
Oh wow He was a special ops guy he he so he's good at like stealth and intelligence gathering i don't I can't remember what it was that led to him losing his memory But yeah, that's they just finally were dying I'm not sure we even find out ah but He ends up after Order 66, like working for the Empire, training the new TK Stormtroopers. And he doesn't. He wants out. Like he can see it's all going horribly wrong. So it's him. He manages to get in touch with Rex and Rex sends the Bad Batch to get Sure.
00:39:12
Speaker
And that's how he ends up reconnecting with Rex. Okay. And he becomes part of the clone underground as well until they end up retiring. Hmm. With Wolf. So Wolf, I'm pretty sure, is Filoni clone. Right. Filoni is renowned for his love of wolves. Okay. And there this all like once you think that and you start watching, particularly Rebels, there's a lot of Wolf stuff in Rebels. So Wolf was the leader of the Wolfpack
Clone Individuality and Major Arcs
00:39:38
Speaker
squad. Right. Who were very ferocious. And they served under Plo Koon, who was Filoni's favorite Jedi. Oh.
00:39:44
Speaker
ah So he's definitely a Filoni. He's pretty much a Filoni. Yeah, nice. In clone form. In Star Wars Galaxy. ah Nice. What's his thing? I remember him more from Rebels. Okay. He was apparently involved in the hunt for Ahsoka after the Jedi Temple bombing. And I think she saved his life earlier on. So there's this awful kind of, like he's doing his duty yeah but to capture Ahsoka, even though he owes her his life kind of thing, which is pretty dark. Okay. He loses an eye to Ventress at one point, spoiler alert. So he's got kind of cybernetic eye.
00:40:22
Speaker
He again was part of the Imperial Army after Order 66. And he actually fights with Rex at one point as they're trying to capture Omega. But that's jumping ahead. Oh my God, yeah. I forgot about that. But again, he sees the error of his ways and ends up joining clone underground as well and helping Rex with the thing. Gotcha. Okay. I mean, I think they're good at their core. I Because they make these moral decisions. I mean, you can't they as in all clones. That's not a good thing to do. And not all of them do make good moral decisions. You know, they are only people at the end of the day. So Cody. Cody! Okay.
00:41:01
Speaker
Cody is the one that we've met in Revenge of the Sith. We met Yeah. I don't know if he might be briefly in Attack of the Clones at the Battle of Geonosis, maybe. But definitely in Revenge Sith. And we see him without his helmet on at one point, I Yeah, think he has a line. Yes, a couple of lines, including it will be done, you know. Just before he tries to blast Kenobi. So yeah he was part of Kenobi's kind of division, the 212th Attack Battalion. I love Rex and Cody's dynamic. they They just like respect each other. They kind of, they look out for each other. And like, I think...
00:41:37
Speaker
so sort of when we first see them, maybe not, but when it's on the Rishi Outpost again and they're like sort of doing like an audit almost of these new, of these, of the shinies, of these new troopers. Oh, rookies. rookies, yeah. And they're they're there to kind of check it out and just see how everything's going and it's just, I don't know, I just love it when the two of them are together and Yeah. It's really nice. I mean, there's sort of like the clone parallel of Obi-Wan and Anakin in a way. Yes. In the sort of brotherhood way. He did not like seeing clones die unnecessarily. Right. Like, I think he gets a bit frustrated with the way the battle goes sometimes and that we shouldn't have done that. You know, we've lost yeah a lot of men, you know. Yeah.
00:42:17
Speaker
Yeah, he's he's a very thoughtful and he's quite cautious, like i said earlier on, in the Obi-Wan kind of way. Whether he's picked up Obi-Wan's character from Obi-Wan. That is interesting then, if they spend enough time together, maybe they do get some kind of... Rubbing off of traits. He's got a really funky orange painted helmet thing. Yeah. He's got like a visor and a rangefinder thing. That's how you talk, aren't you? When they've got their helmets and that on, Rex has got like the blue shoulder pad. So you know that it's Rex. And then Cody's got the orange shoulder pad. It's probably got proper name for Robin's shoulder pad. I think shoulder pad will do it. I found a great Cody quote from The Bad Batch. Oh, yeah. And he says, he's working for the Empire in the Stormtrooper era, and he says, tell me something, Crosshair, this new Empire, are we making the galaxy better? yes. And it's like his questioning of what's going on. Sure.
00:43:17
Speaker
oh my God, yeah, Cody Crosshair. Oh, i feel so badly for them. Brutal. Okay, fives. Fives. Fives.
00:43:28
Speaker
I love, I'm really enjoying how excited Mary gets at every clone you mentioned. This is great. Well, five Fives is there. He's one of the rookies the Richard Post. Right. And he's also in like that training one we we mentioned. Yeah. Domino. squad but after reach out poe gets into the 501st which is rex's squad oh okay and fives and echo are like besties right and something happens with oh i can't remember the name of his friend but his sort of chip goes off and top vibes is like that's not right and
00:44:01
Speaker
And Fives is like, this isn't okay. theyve Something's wrong. They've done something to our brains. And he kind of breaks protocol. Well, you know, I guess orders to do a bit more medical stuff with Tup to like, be like, what's going on here? He's really like, and then he reports it to Rex. He's like, this isn't okay. yeah Doesn't Tup do like he tries to take out the Jedi that they're are following? Yes. oh His Order 66 goes off early. His chip malfunctions. Oh, no. Yeah.
00:44:30
Speaker
Oh, and it's very am emotional. Oh, no. Oh, we love fives. Yeah, part of the 501st. So he's got that knowledge, that information about the chip thing and his suspicions. and Not so much knowledge as suspicions, I guess. Yeah, sure. yeah Yeah, his whole arc becomes about the chips. And in fact, he's a big reason why... we won't give any any spoilers, mate.
00:44:57
Speaker
I was on the edge of my seat. Yeah. Okay, let's just say he directly affects what happens in Order 66. Okay. the finale episodes. Gotcha. Yeah.
00:45:09
Speaker
Okay. Like what he found out helps what happens in the finale. Yeah. It's a pretty good one. Oh my God. Fives. He's great. And he's called Fives, obviously, because he's CT5555. I've been reading out the numbers. I've got all the numbers written down, but they're not very interesting. Fives. Fives.
00:45:27
Speaker
ah The last one I've got of like the main ones is Dogma. Oh, interesting. Which ties in with the Umbara thing I was talking about with Corell, nasty Jedi So maybe we don't want to talk about that too much because it gives too much of a spoiler away about that arc. But yeah, he's I think Dogma, I feel like as a name, comes from dogmatic, right which is like closed-minded and stubborn and refusing evidence yeah or reason. So he'll follow the letter of the law regardless of the outcome. Right.
00:45:57
Speaker
And that kind of explains a bit about why he does what he does. And and and something happens in the Umbara arc that really opens his eyes to what's going on. And he does a massive U-turn the end of the episode. i think that's the safest way of saying it.
00:46:16
Speaker
I'll forget all this by the time you get there. Yeah. I mean, it's a pretty hardcore arc. It's a big arc. I think it'd be hard not to side with Dogma's sort of change of opinion on that The Dogma Rex, like the way that they work as two characters in that arc is a really brilliant observation about clones and orders and behaviour. Yeah, it's really cool.
Clone Force 99 and Echo
00:46:42
Speaker
So watch out for Dogma. The other clone I'd call out, like, bigger, would be Echo. Okay, right, so this goes into my next section, which is... Okay, hold. This goes into anomalies. Okay. So clones that have, like, defects or unusual aspects to them that makes them not like regs. Okay. Because Echo starts as a reg, though.
00:47:03
Speaker
He does. He's in Rookies, he's part of the 501st, he's besties with fives. He's in the domino squad as well. He's in domino squad. Then Echo gets lost. Oh.
00:47:14
Speaker
Oh, now I'm just telling the story. You can tell me a bit of story. He gets found again, but it's like, and and that's where we see the Bad Batch. And if you've watched Bad Batch, you would have seen Echo. Mm-hmm.
00:47:27
Speaker
But he, yeah, he's a big character. I think all of the clones in 501st I just got quite attached to because you've seen them quite a lot. Yeah, yeah but yeah, sorry, carry on. Yeah, that's a really good point. I hadn't thought of it like that, but of course he starts as a wreck and then, yeah, he is experimented on. Oh, no. and has cyber enhancements in inverted commas. I know if we call them enhancements. like The separatists kind of, they they want all of the Republic like strategy. So they sort of tap into his brain essentially. They like hook him up to a computer.
00:48:03
Speaker
It's brutal. It's very it's pretty brutal. Yeah. And he comes out of it a different a different person quite physically as well as mentally. I'm feeling quite sad now. Rex finds him and their whole interaction where he's like, you came back for me, sir. And he's like, of course I did soldier. And it's like, oh my God. War is awful. Yeah. i I can't wait to rewatch it and then watch Bad Batch again. Because like I think I watched it before Bad Batch. Or did I? I don't know. But either way, the the relationship between Clone Wars and Bad Batch is personified in Echo, really. Because he's a big character in both of those things. Gotcha. I hadn't realised that his name, Echo...
00:48:40
Speaker
comes from his compulsion to repeat orders when they're given to him. Yeah, like that comes up in the, is it is it called Rookie's, like the training episode? Yeah, it's the Roger Roger Roger. It's going to grow old very quickly, that one.
00:49:00
Speaker
There's a great quote from Tech in The Bad Batch and he says, you're more machine than man, percentage wise at least. And then Echo says, lucky me. A great twist on the Obi-Wan quote about Vader.
00:49:13
Speaker
Oh, and he's got a scomp. By the end, he's got a scomp as a hand. And we've been talking about scomps and off throughout the podcast. He's got his own little droid scomp. Yeah, huge. he can just jack in, which is amazing. Nice. Okay, the next bunch of anomalies connect to Echo and they're all together and they're called The Bad Batch. Okay. And ok although they have their own show, they're in The Clone Wars as well. They're in The Clone too. Excellent. And aka Clone Force 99, named after clone like number 99. Yes! Another key clone. Okay. Oh yeah. So the bad batch are, but they vary, they're members, but ostensibly it's Hunter, Wrecker, Tech, Crosshair and Echo. Right. are Are these sort of genetic modifications in a way? Yes.
00:50:03
Speaker
I couldn't understand if they were mutations, happen by accident or modify. Modifications. They're experimental clones. that They were intentionally, the Kaminoans specifically attempted to do some modifications and see what would happen almost. yeah So Hunter was given enhanced sensory abilities, so he's good at tracking and stuff like that. Wrecker has got enhanced muscles. Tech has got an enhanced mental capacity and intelligence, so he's good at technology. Crosshair has got keen eyesight and marksmanship, so he's a great sniper. Okay. And Echo was not, but because he's got his own cybernetic implants and scomp arm. Yeah.
00:50:37
Speaker
He fits right in with them. Yeah, it was cute. They kind of invited
Boba Fett, Omega, and Their Impact
00:50:40
Speaker
him to join. They were like, if you feel out of place, you can come and join us. Yeah. That's so nice. I love the Bad Batch so much. Me too. So their chips, they were affected by their, you know, their kind of genetic mutations. Okay. So Order 66 didn't have quite the same effect on them as other clones. Right, gotcha. It on some of them, but not other. Like it affects them all in different ways, which is really interesting.
00:51:06
Speaker
Okay. So yeah, clone 99, you mentioned him just now. another favorite Yeah. So he was another one that they tried to genetically mutate and it didn't really work. So he was unable to fight. That's how I understand it. Yeah. Okay. So what do they do with a clone that's unable to fight? Oh, they put him on like, he's sort of doing like cleaning duties and stuff in like the clone training center. oh Yeah. I know.
00:51:34
Speaker
I won't give it away, but he's like, he finds his heroic side. Nice. Yeah. And that's, that's very sweet. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He has a beautiful character arc. He does. We don't see lots of him, but when we do, no it's really lush. Okay.
00:51:51
Speaker
Okay, the next non-regs that I've written are Boba Fett and Omega. Okay. Oh, yeah. Who are kind of two of the same type of thing. Right, yeah. For different reasons. So we know Boba Fett was made for Jango. Obviously, Boba Fett's my favourite clone. Your favourite clone? So far, I don't know. You have a favourite clone. Yeah, yeah.
00:52:11
Speaker
He was originally codenamed Alpha, obviously in opposition to Omega, who's the other one. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. And he's, yeah, an unaltered clone. So he's a direct clone of Django, as is Omega, except that she's female, but she's a pure replication of Django as well. Okay. They don't experience fast ageing. So they age normally and don't have chips, or they do have chips.
00:52:35
Speaker
They don't have chips. They don't have chips. Yeah, I don't think there's like any modifications. think they're just straight. They're pretty much like Django's kids, aren't they? Which means it's quite fun when Boba, at a certain age, just can like infiltrate the clone training program as one of the little clones. Which is really interesting because i think he kind of sees, oh, this is, it's almost like a family and he's not really got caught a family. Yeah, it's an interesting couple of episodes. Okay.
00:53:06
Speaker
He finds family in Aurra Sing and Bosk and yeah the other bounty hunters. Cad Bonesh. Yeah, they sort of train him up. Whereas Omega stays on Kamino and yet gets involved in the science of everything until the Bad Batch come along and find her.
00:53:22
Speaker
so they've got very different arcs. I know there's a lot of people waiting for Omega to appear in live action, which she totally could. She's going to be about the same age as Boba Fett. It would be amazing if they met. I'm just... Oh my goodness, yeah.
00:53:37
Speaker
I feel like they're maybe getting Boba Fett into a place where the meeting with Omega would be really interesting and productive in some way. have they met? No. Or no? No. So that do they know about each other? I don't think they do. I think Omega knows about Boba, I think. um Yeah, Omega seems to know all of the clones. Yeah, she she is because she just hung out with Nala Se the whole time. she Yeah, right. She's involved in the you know the clone program as a scientist. Okay. Even though she's a child, but she's yeah she's super. There's another clone. This conf confused me a little bit in The Bad Batch, but I think she must have been like modified, called Ameri Kha, who is another female clone of Django, but she's an adult.
00:54:19
Speaker
when I make as a kid, so I feel like she must have had the... She had the ageing. Double ageing, yeah. and She's working as a scientist. so Yeah, okay. As part of the whole cleaning programme beyond Kamino, you know, like into the yeah kind of future stuff. Project Necromancer and all of that, which...
00:54:39
Speaker
There's one other clone. okay i don't know if you know about this one, Mary, called Sister. Have you heard of Sister? No. She's a trans clone. Oh.
00:54:50
Speaker
and She's part of the 7th Sky Corps. So she is you know part of the thing. She's not in the Clone Wars. She's not in any TV stuff yet. Maybe she will be. She's in books. She was, i think, introduced in E.K. Johnston's Queen's Hope. You remember we were talking about the Padme Trilogy? Yes. which is partly set on the Boo and follows that. She's in that. Okay. And then she's also been mentioned in Mike Chen's Brotherhood novel, which is about Obi-Wan. Okay. And Qui-Gon, I think, with Obi-Wan and Anakin. Can't remember. Anyway, she's in that book too. So she's so far only in literary, but there's some beautiful stuff where she talks to Anakin about her name and that the clone troopers gave her that name in affirmation of her gender identity. Oh, I love that. Yep. Yeah. she Accepts it. Cool. And like the way she's nervous about her identity, she gets support from the Jedi and it's just like, oh, yeah, this is nice the representation. And so our armour, of course, is like white with blue and pink. oh That's amazing. Had to bring her in there. Yes, please. That's great.
00:55:58
Speaker
Why haven't we seen her on TV yet? I know. Maybe one day. Sort it out. Yeah. that's This is our official request. Official request. Official request. We're putting into the universe. yeah Yes. Manifesting. So before we wrap up, I think we need to talk about the people who brought the clones to life. whos There's quite a few of them.
00:56:17
Speaker
Quite a few of them. And it's pretty awesome. I mean, there's there's some behind the scenes stuff about the fact that like in the films, there were no physical clone armour. Like you occasionally see Tamera's head yeah yeah yeah when he's playing Cody or whatever. yeah But mostly everything was CGI because they hadn't figured out how to make the hardware suits exactly how they wanted them. Okay.
00:56:42
Speaker
They couldn't physically make make them practically. So they did it with software instead. But then by the time we get to the Mandalorian and Ahsoka, we get some flashbacks. And by then they've figured out ways of doing it. And so now there's a bit of debate over like, do fans actually like the real physical ones? Now we've seen some clones in Ahsoka. I mean, I think I kind of do. The Ahsoka flashback scene is just... Oh my goodness. and we saw When we saw Rex, you can imagine, live action Rex. I can imagine the sounds that Mary made. It's so wild. Like I said before, it's the fun-loving Anakin and it's Captain Rex and it's, yeah you know, it's And Ariana Greenblatt like young Ahsoka. Incredible. Incredible. Anyway, so so with that in mind, we've got there's actors that play clones in person, in live action. So got Tamara Morrison, who we know as Boba Fett in The Book Boba Fett, and Mando, but he also played the clones in Attack of the Clones. yeah There's also Daniel Logan, who played Boba Fett.
00:57:49
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As a boy. Okay. So he counts. And then there's another actor. i always thought it was just going to be Daniel Logan, but they've listed Bodhi Taylor, who performed some like young adult clones. I think he he plays like the cadets, yeah like the ones that are in between young Boba and Jango age. At that particular age. Yeah, sure. And we've seen Tamera, as we said, playing a clone in live action. Yeah. A homeless clone in Obi-Wan. But I think in a way, because we're talking about the Clone Wars specifically, we need to shout out the voice actors and in particular Dee Bradley Baker, who is unbelievable. I think he might end up in a real.
00:58:26
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Okay. Excellent. He voices all of the clones. voices all of them. Okay, that's wild. Yeah. That's amazing. I didn't know
Voice Actors' Contributions
00:58:36
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that. The Bad Batch in particular is mind-boggling because... Well, no, actually, think it's all mind-boggling. Each of the main Bad Batch characters, like Wrecker and Hunter and Tech, they've all got very different voices because they've been genetically modified. yeah They're very different from each other. They're all still clones. you know They've still got that kind of Django twang, yeah the the New Zealand accent, but he's created a more diverse range of voices for those characters. them. Okay. Yeah.
00:59:01
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In the Clone Wars, even between the regs, there's still difference. You know Rex, you recognise Rex compared to Fives or Wolf or whatever. okay He does it. I always imagined he would just like, I'll do all of the wrecker stuff today for the Bad Batch and just get into wrecker mode and then smash out all the wrecker lines. yeah And then next day he'd be like, I'll do tech and get into that quick brain signature and be tech. Speak that way instead, yeah.
00:59:29
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But he just does it in real time. That's wild. That's awesome. If you go and watch him doing it on YouTube, it's incredible. I mean, he's known as being an incredible, like he does yeah animals and creatures and monsters and anything that you've seen recently in an animation show that's like a weird monster is probably Dee Bradley Yeah. He is a genius. so So he's important. He's obviously voiced the clones in Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, the video games. He's just a job for life. Daniel Logan, who played Boba Fett in Attack the Clones, does young Boba the Clone Wars animation, which is laugh.
01:00:05
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And of course, Tamara does the voice of the clones in the live action stuff. Yeah. So that's kind of voice acting. Yeah. There's ah an actor called Andre Sogliuzzo, I'm probably mangling his surname, apologies Andre, who did the clones in the 2003 micro series. Okay. The pre-Clone Wars, Clone Wars, which maybe one day we'll watch. Yeah.
01:00:27
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I don't think it's canon. It's really stylised. It's very much more like 2D stylised animation compared what we're used to in the main clone world. But technically he's still a voice actor who has voiced clones. voiced clones, yeah. But really Dee Bradley Baker is... It's completely mind-blowing, isn't it? It is, yeah. love voice acting stuff. I have got very, very into listening to voice actors talk recently, finding out how they do it. Because I don't understand. But... She says, immediately do your character. Yeah, I just can't do it very well or sustain any of them for
Revisiting Clone Wars
01:01:02
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that long. or i think as a sound editor, which is one of your many, many, many skills, yeah you probably end up doing a little bit of voice acting. Oh, I do it all the time, actually. Yeah, that's good point. yeah yeah I have done voice acting. I feel like some voice actors come from sound editing. Like that is a thing.
01:01:19
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I've heard sound editors on podcasts talking about how they're, oh yeah, I just voiced this character because there was nobody else around and I just needed to do it quickly. I quite often end up having to like put in incidental stuff that they can't get the actors back to ADR. So I have to mimic other people, which is quite well. you're playing them. So I play them, yeah. Yeah. And that's wild when that happens. That's amazing. It's happened a couple of times. And sometimes I just have to play them being slightly panicky and breathing funny. But like other times i have to say a line, but it'll be I'll alter it. And yeah, it's it's quite interesting. That's amazing.
01:01:56
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So i do yeah, I do like the odd line. Oh, well, this is another reason that you're going to love The Clone Wars because you're just going to... Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he is impressive in the Clone Wars, obviously, because there's a lot of clone stuff. But I think when you get to the Bad Batch, that's when it... Because it's just basically the cast of the Bad Batch is Dee Bradley Baker and then I've forgotten the actress's name who plays Omega. That's pretty much it. Right.
01:02:20
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Excellent. Apart from like the bad guy guest stars, you know, who come in for particular episodes or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
01:02:28
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What's the guy who voices Moxie called? Is that Richard Horowitz? Yes. It is Richard Horowitz. He's insanely good. I think I've heard of him. Yeah, you will have done. He does everything as well. But like watching him do anything ever is incredible. Shout out to the voice actors. Shout out to the voice actors. Yeah, shout out to the voice actors. They're great. So often overlooked that they are just, yeah, they're geniuses. Yeah. Mary, is there anything about clones that you wanted to say in this episode that we haven't got to?
01:02:59
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i don't know. i don't think so. i mean, we could sit for hours. i can see clones exclamation I've written love Rex exclamation mark. And clone 99, Bave clones, ARC Troopers. Yeah, they're pretty incoherent. I think we've covered everything. Yeah.
01:03:18
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I mean, I went on a super deep dive of like... That was great....listing all weapons and all vehicles and all this kind of stuff. But maybe that's to be mentioned as we go along, if we see any geeky stuff like that. Yeah, I think so. These druggy bits. I think so. I feel more prepared now. And actually, I feel more excited now because... Yay!...because it is slightly daunting. Yeah. going into this in an exciting way it's slightly daunting but i'm really glad that we've done this because i've been very i don't know stuck in my other fandom so it's nice to come back to this one yeah this is getting you hyped this is all about the hype this episode really yeah it's hyping me i can't wait yeah revisit all of these stories and characters and you'll love and it's just giving you more star wars it's like oh did you like watching star wars have more star wars It's incredibly Star Wars-y Star Wars as well. It's so Star Wars-y. It's like distilled Star Wars. I'm like, yeah. Oh, this is bit, it's not supposed to about clones, but I like how we kind of learn more about the Jedi Council as well. I really enjoy that deep dive. Some good things, some not so good things. yeah
01:04:25
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Definitely. Yeah, so just a little, another thing to get you excited. so Those pirates. hundred yeah
01:04:39
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I just bought my little Hondo action figure the other day. I realised I didn't have Hondos, so I had to buy Hondos. Another favourite ep. We're both. He's kind. And he's a great character that's, like, rippled out into other stuff. He's in Rebels and, yeah.
01:04:55
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Yeah, sorry, I was actually doing more spoilers. But, yeah, he's great. So much to look forward to. Dathomir. Which is great. yeah So next week, we are going to be kicking it off.
01:05:06
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Ah! We're in. We're doing Clone Wars, the movie, which is the opening of Clone Wars. Oh my God. Oh my God. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm quite excited. So I started out, last season, I started out going in blind and then just watching it. And then I went, no, no, no, this isn't working for me. So I watched the whole thing and then it was a rewatch. But I'm not going to be able to do that anymore because I have another
Content Format and Audience Engagement
01:05:33
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job. so
01:05:36
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It's a big time undertaking. I have several other jobs. yeah So we are now back to going in blind. And yeah, I'm just going to have to blind react a little bit. That's a good way to get out the time. was about to say it's not too heavy. Sometimes it's heavy, but they're like 20 minute episodes. you know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. So you can sort of, yeah, it suits an ADHD brain. You'll be a happy to hear. I'll be fine. Yeah. but yeah That's good stuff.
01:06:03
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Good. Well, if you're listening along and you're as excited as we are, let us know. Send us a message, put a comment or
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Upcoming Discussions on The Clone Wars Movie
01:06:37
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on all the places. And we will look forward to talking about The Clone Wars.
01:06:42
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Oh, my gosh. The movie. Oh, my gosh. Whee! Hi, Mary. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you, Mary. Thank you. Thank you, resident clone expert. Bringing your clone joy. Yeah. We love it.
01:06:57
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And we'll be seeing you again very soon.
01:07:00
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A Clone Wars arc in the next soon to, yeah, near future. But yeah, until next week, look after yourselves, go and watch the Clone Wars movie so that you're prepped and ready for our first proper Clone Wars episode. And then come and listen to us talk about it. And then wo argue with us in the comments section. Until then.
01:07:20
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until then