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Disney Fairy Tales Flipped - Stories from the Villain's Perspective
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How well do you know your Disney stories? This week, Kristina's telling Sara stories from the villain's point of view. Because sometimes heroes are kind of a**holes.
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Transcript
Introduction and Host Banter
00:00:01
Speaker
This is our podcast song. It isn't very long. Hi, hi, hi. Hi, thanks everybody for tuning into Laughing with Ginger's. The podcast were two feisty redheads with love, laugh, share crazy stories, play games and spread Salinas and joy. That little villainous over there is my partner in crime on the Laughing with Ginger's podcast, Christina Curry.
00:00:28
Speaker
Oh my God. And that is Sarah elephant, AKA prankster monk. And did I say that weird prankster monk? I don't know my co-hosts. It sounded weird when it came out.
Reimagining Disney Villains
00:00:40
Speaker
We were just talking about how my voice is very odd today. So maybe maybe we triggered some sort of concern in your brain. I know. I know. Or my brain is fried because listen, this homework that I brought today, we're talking about we're okay, here's what we're doing. Let me back up. We're I'm telling a classic, you know, story. I'll be specific, a classic Disney story from the villain's perspective.
00:01:07
Speaker
And that sounds easy enough, right? I've read Wicked. I've gone to the play. But as I started getting into it, I was like, God, this is actually really hard. And I was like, I should have given myself a little more time to think this through. Because I was trying to put myself in the villain's perspective, in the villain's shoes. And it's hard because I'm like, no, that was mean that you did that.
00:01:37
Speaker
And now I have to make up this weird backstory for you so I can have more compassion, but sometimes that's hard. The more stories I'm going to tell you today, it just starts to fall apart a little bit is basically what I'm saying.
00:01:57
Speaker
And I was just like, I'm going forward and I'm making some weird shit up also. Oh my god, I love it. I'm excited. I always, whenever I watch or read or listen to anything, try to think of it from the villain's perspective, because I think it just makes it more interesting anyway.
Star Wars and Societal Allegories
00:02:17
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So like, generally speaking,
00:02:20
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most villains are misunderstood. And I can give you the perfect example, dear listeners, because I know that my Laughing with Jitters co host Christina Curry is not going to know what I'm talking about. I'm guessing I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you don't watch this movie, or haven't watched this series of movies. If you have, I bet it was a million years ago, Star Wars,
00:02:45
Speaker
Oh, yeah, of course I've seen that. Yeah. But do you remember it well enough for me to make this reference and you to know what I'm talking about? Here we go. So the the empire is the like villains. And then there's, you know, the rebels. Mm hmm. If I tell you the background of this, it is actually about the Vietnam War, the originals. So the original three trilogy is about the Vietnam War.
00:03:15
Speaker
Guess which one is the United States? Oh, my God. The villains. No, the rebels. No, they are the empire. The villains. Oh, snap. Yep. Yep. And that's actually why I don't know if you've watched any of the recent ones, but the recent ones rely more on the cinematography and less on the storyline and the depth of characters, in my opinion, than they do on the actual like war itself.
00:03:45
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So there's a lot more character development. They bring in like a lot of different people and things. And I think it's really funny because. When well, there's a whole bunch of stuff with Star Wars, but there's specifically some stuff with Star Wars fan base where it would surprise them and they would not believe it. A lot of the people that sit in the camp of having taking issue with, you know. Casting certain demographic.
00:04:14
Speaker
without getting too deep into me calling anyone out. Because I will just derail us from all the fun of laughing with gingers. And we won't go down that path. You all know how I feel about, I mean, you know how Christina and I both feel everyone is entitled to live a happy, healthy life as themselves every day. Yes, absolutely.
00:04:40
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and not to hate other people or spread hate. Yeah, we just want joy. We just want joy. Everyone's life. But those people that complain about the casting choices, they would be very upset thinking that the, or knowing that the United States is the bad guys in that
Games and Villain Perspectives
00:04:59
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movie. Yeah. In those movies.
00:05:03
Speaker
Well, it's really weird that you brought that up as an example. My dad's reading these like there's like seven or maybe 17. I don't know. There's a ton of like Star Wars books out there and he's actually mentioned to me. He's like, oh, do you know why the Empire is so bad at shooting?
00:05:20
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It's because he just read a part. He's like, it's because they're not training. They didn't have any money to train their people properly. So in this book, they joke about how they can't make any shots. And he's like, well, that's why. They didn't get enough training. Well, technically, all of their infantry is a clone of the same guy. Yeah. I don't think they trained the clone good enough. Because all of them suck.
00:05:50
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You're right, they're not great at shooting. I mean, I would imagine that the more you clone, the worse the copy gets, like if you're making a copy from a copy. Yeah. Like multiplicity.
00:06:02
Speaker
Oh, I actually never saw that. No. It is hilarious. He clones himself. Am I the fourth one? He has like the brain of a three-year-old and it's just so sad. Oh, God. Yeah. That would be what I would imagine would happen. It's like a copy from the copy. Oh, no. I know. Oh, my God. It's really funny. It's just pixelated. It's just a little more grayed out.
00:06:29
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. Well, I feel like you probably would have been way better at writing these stories from the villain's perspective. But here goes. So am I like guessing something? Yeah, you have to guess what the movie is and who the villain is. And I I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are going to 100 percent get all of these. I mean, I hope so. But now that you've said that, you may have jinxed me.
00:06:59
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Maybe, but you're Sarah and you're good at this stuff. I feel like jinxing doesn't happen towards you. It happens away from you. I jinx myself all the time. And my team is like, Felipe's like, did you seriously just say that? And I'm like, yeah. Uh oh.
00:07:25
Speaker
Oh my god. Okay, I have let's see. I 12345. We'll see how how we get through these. All right.
00:07:38
Speaker
They slowly get a little weirder. All right. Story number one. This is so weird. This male had an older brother who was heir to the throne. And growing up, he was in the shadow of his older brother. Even though growing up, he and his brother were matched with wit and strength, he was mostly ignored.
00:07:59
Speaker
This male found his older brother just always outshines him and was really freaking frustrating. So, you know, being annoyed about this, he started to rebel a little bit. People, you know, just weren't recognizing him or seeing him. And so he started becoming friends with the other kids that were on the fringe, you know, the other people that were on the fringe. So, you know, like undesirables.
00:08:23
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Then he's so he basically is like rebelled and he saw his older brother as kind of undeserving of the throne and then he deserves it. Fast forward a little bit and his older brother had a male son who is also really irritating and everyone loves any super cocky and annoying. He's always really irritating. He's always bragging about he's going to get the throne and all of the land, you know, and rubbing it in his uncle's face.
00:08:53
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And so trying to teach the little ankle biter a lesson, he and his gang send his brother and his brat to a stampede. And I feel like at this point, you're gonna know what that one is. I already knew what it was. You can keep going if you want. That's all as far as I got. I'm like, she's gonna get it by this point.
00:09:18
Speaker
I thought you were just going to say he pushed him off a cliff or something. Well, that's not exactly how the story went. But as soon as I said Stampede, I'm like, ugh, if she doesn't know now, she's got to get it after that. Yeah. So it's the Lion King. I don't know if I was supposed to put, I actually initially was like, it's Scar. And then I was like, oh, am I supposed to guess the movie? You can guess either one because, you know, they kind of go together.
00:09:47
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I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, dee dee dee dee. Oh my god, I had a hard time like but actually that one was pretty easy because I did pretty well. Yeah, I could see how scar would be super annoyed about you know, Mufasa and the oh my god. Yeah, yeah. And bragging like all this is mine uncle and he was like, God, I hate you.
00:10:17
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Yeah. I mean, he was definitely a dick in the beginning of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He needed to grow up a little so he could become a little humble. He needed that adventure. Yeah. And, you know, he gets there. Mm-hmm. He does. He does. He gets there. And Scar dies. OK. Anyway.
00:10:43
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Okay, next story. So this dude is a consultant to the ruler of the land, but the ruler is kind of an idiot and isn't running the land how this dude thinks he should. He definitely doesn't seem to be paying attention and just kind of moves through life in this, heads in the sky. So
00:11:04
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This dude is irritated and he's like, I gotta take this over. He's this idiot is running this joint and he's messing things up all over the place. I could totally rule this land way better. So he hires someone to go get a resource that will help him become
00:11:22
Speaker
the ruler of the land and set things right and rule it how it needs to be ruled and stop fucking about. But this person who he sends out and paid to go get this resource for him ends up not just stealing the resource, but then he ends up hooking up with the beautiful princess. And he also gets in favor of the ruler and basically screws him out of everything. And this dude ends up dying.
00:11:54
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It's a real terrible, terrible story for him. Doesn't he become technically all powerful but lives in an itty bitty living space? Yeah, that's right. That's what it is. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah.
Disney's Influence on Entertainment
00:12:16
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It doesn't work out. At first, I was thinking it was the Emperor's new groove.
00:12:23
Speaker
Oh, you know what? I've never seen that movie. And I feel like I need to because it looks really funny. I felt like it might have been an obscure reference for you. So I was like, just I was gonna ding it. And then I was like, Okay, I'll wait. I don't think Christina's probably seen that one. That's like the only Disney movie that we own that was originally made by Disney.
00:12:50
Speaker
What do you mean like the storyline is originally a Disney storyline? I don't know. What does that mean? Well, because like I don't know when Pixar was acquired by Disney or if they started at Disney. And like Star Wars was acquired by Disney, but they didn't start there. The Simpsons. They were acquired by Disney?
00:13:16
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Yeah. Oh my God. I had no idea. Bob's Burgers was just acquired by Disney last year. What the hell? Disney is grabbing a lot of stuff. Disney owns Hulu, I think. So anything on Hulu? Yeah.
00:13:32
Speaker
They own the Marvel Universe, the MCU. Oh my God. What don't they own? They do not own DC comic movies, which would be like Superman. I bet they want to own it though. Technically, they would be, I think, in violation of monopoly laws if they did that, non-competitive laws. But they don't own Family Guy.
00:14:02
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Oh, Interesante. Yeah, so I don't know. Disney has been like, there's a South Park episode about Disney like doing a grab for everything. Yeah, for real. You know what? Harry Potter. Wait, they own Harry Potter? Yeah, but I don't think they owned Harry Potter initially.
00:14:24
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I got Oh, wow. That's crazy. Yeah, so it gets like bigger and bigger. So I don't know what we own that is currently owned by Disney, because I don't know everything that is owned by Disney. But that was the only thing that I think I ever purchased that was owned by Disney when I purchased it. Hmm, I see what you're saying very weird movie for me. Yeah, it is what
00:14:50
Speaker
I feel like I need to watch it just so I'm like, huh, why does Sarah own this movie? It's very, very strange. The funnier part is Felipe also owned it. What? You guys both owned it? That is so weird. Why does he, did he get it as a gift?
00:15:17
Speaker
That is so weird, you two. Y'all deserve each other. I feel like in a way Disney kind of ruins things because I watched the second on this might not be a popular opinion, so I apologize. God, what's that? You should never apologize for your opinion. Thank you. Oh, I haven't seen either of them.
00:15:42
Speaker
OK, the first one, obviously classic, loved it. There were funny jokes in it. The second one was I didn't even get through the whole thing. I had to like walk away. I heard it was very triggering for people that have lost a sibling. Oh, weird. I didn't get to that part, maybe.
00:16:02
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe I don't know. But it was just cheesy. It was like the cheesy and I feel like Disney cheesy fight it. They kind of water things down. So when they acquired the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this is so like such a deep cut for me to well, maybe not a deep cut, but like I'm going deeper into this now.
00:16:24
Speaker
So when they acquired the MCU, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'm flying my nerd flag right now very proudly. So there are pieces that are really tough, tough pieces. So there's Luke Cage, the show, and there's Jessica Jones. Luke Cage loses his wife and
00:16:53
Speaker
because he's like a superhero. And this like, huge, like one of the biggest villains in all of the MCU is is related to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. And he essentially takes over Jessica Jones, makes her she's a superhero, makes her murder Luke Cage's wife, and then they end up getting together, not knowing
00:17:16
Speaker
So they have the two storylines. There's a bunch of essay involved in that with the villain and Jessica Jones. He essentially keeps her as a slave and uses mind control on her and all kinds of stuff. Anyway, Disney acquired the MCU and didn't migrate them over from Netflix because they didn't know how to handle migration of these two very dark storylines.
00:17:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's not very aligned with Disney's morals and values. Yes. So what they had to do, and again, this is why there is a huge difference in the Star Wars movies too. Disney acquired those Star Wars movies. They are not looking to make a political statement about the United States being villainous. I mean, or anything.
00:18:11
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Um, they're just really not like it's, you know, not in their brand and I get it like, you know, I understand that's their brand is very wholehearted family. So how they handled it was they had to give Disney plus subscribers the option to get full access or like original Disney access. Um, so you, you didn't get some of the like sad, depressing, like difficult topic things migrated into your Disney plus, if you chose the like,
00:18:41
Speaker
watered down version. So yes, they absolutely water things down. Whoa. Yeah. It was too much to water down. It was like, you know, when you reuse a teabag and by the third time it's like, this is just hot water at this point. Yeah. Or like you've run your coffee through twice because you don't have another filter or more fresh coffee. It's not good. And you're like, why is it this weird color? Yeah.
00:19:12
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It's just not as good as the original. Whatever, Disney. I love you. I love going to Disneyland. It's really fun and no hate, no hate. Yeah. If it is in Disneyland, Disney owns it. So Harry Potter World. Yep. Yep.
More Villain Narratives
00:19:35
Speaker
All right. Well, are you ready for another Disney villain story? Relatable story. Yeah. I'm here for it. All right. This dude is stuck in a land full of annoying little children that sing and haunt him. It's irritating because he can't seem to sail away from them. He cannot escape this land for whatever reason.
00:20:01
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however it does seem like one of the oldest kids 75 so I know oh my god
00:20:18
Speaker
Oh, God. Okay. However, it does seem like one of the oldest kids keeps escaping from this hellhole. So he tries to approach him and ask him how he's doing it, but the kids are just mean to him. And stick a crocodile on him. It's awful. I hope that last line gave it away. So it's either Hook or Peter Pan.
00:20:47
Speaker
I mean, you can say both, you know, Peter's in two different movies. Yeah, but like the general idea is he's in this land and can't leave. And these kids are just irritating. I mean, you can also say it about Pirates of the Caribbean. I know, but I'm like you like at least Pirates of the Caribbean, you can sail to another, you know, port.
00:21:16
Speaker
True, but the annoying kids are going with you. Yeah. Anyway, I'm saying yes, you're right. Yes, you're right. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Oh, Lord. Yeah. Poor Captain Hook. Poor Captain Hook just asked the older kid.
00:21:47
Speaker
I thought that might give it away too because it seems like Peter Pan is the only one that keeps escaping. That's true. He does. He does. He is a real dick. Yeah. I know. When Captain, all I want to do is talk to him and be like, look, dude, how did you get out of here? I need to go. I mean, I feel like poor Willy Wonka could have off.
00:22:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Willy Wong is definitely trapped, but they're not little kids. And I don't know that he would consider himself. I mean, he is kind of trapped. He is kind of trapped, but by his own doing, you know, he does it to himself. Yeah. Eventually he gets out of there. Mary could have been Mary Poppins.
00:22:39
Speaker
Yeah, it could have been Mary Popper. She has no way of... When those kids come to college, she's got to go. That sucks. You're perpetually a nanny to brat. And right when they get good, you're gone. Yeah, you're done. You're done and on to the next little brats. Oh man, her job sucks.
00:23:05
Speaker
I mean, she's not technically a villainous, but no, she's not. Oh, my God. Oh, Lord. OK, this one I got a little creative, so it might be a little weird.
00:23:21
Speaker
All right. So there's this animal dude and he notices that when he eats humans, he gains 20 years on his life. Hey, who wouldn't want that? So he also, though, the bad thing is he does feel a little shitty when he steals a human away and eats them. But, you know, hey, 20 more years on your life. What, you know, whatever.
00:23:45
Speaker
One day he realizes there's a lone human in the forest that he wants to eat because he's thinking, hey, this is like a lone human. Once he's gone, no one's going to know he's gone. So I won't feel bad in 20 more years on my life score. So he begins to track down this lone human. But then these other pesky animals keep helping this dumb human escape. And it's so annoying.
00:24:10
Speaker
But this animal dude has been around a long time. So he's like, listen, I got this. I'm kind of I've got I've got the smarts. I've got the jungle smarts. I know how to capture this delicious treat. Well, this lonely human figures out with his animal friends help that if he kills that this dude that's stalking and this animal dude that's stalking him, he gains 50 years on his life. So he's like, oh, I'm going after this animal dude. I'm being honest to this stalking animal dude.
00:24:39
Speaker
He did not know that the tables are turning on him. And then the human goes and attacks them and kills them. And the end. OK, so I'm not totally sure. And it would I have a guess. But if you hadn't said jungle, I would have considered it being Ursula the sea witch.
00:25:03
Speaker
I know I threw in one jungle just to like give you a little you know, poop. Yeah, so I'm gonna guess it's a jungle book. But my backup guess was gonna be Yeah, I mean, I feel like that has to be what it's a jungle book. I totally made up that first part. I'm like, what is his motivation for wanting this human so badly? Like, does he?
00:25:30
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get time on his life.
Disney's Cultural Impact
00:25:33
Speaker
I like really truly couldn't remember. Yeah, no, I was like what like I kept thinking why are you tracking this one human we could go to a village and just snag someone you weirdo. And I'm like maybe it's like enticing because he feels bad. I don't know. Yeah, I totally made that up.
00:25:53
Speaker
I went way out on a limb there, but you got it because that's how good you are. Because you're a good storyteller.
00:26:01
Speaker
Oh, thanks. I was like, okay, side note, I was panicking. I'm like, Oh my God, this is harder than I thought. And I was like, freaking out a little. And she's like, Oh, well, I can help you. And then she starts going into what makes a good story. Like she looks up what makes a good story. You know, the arc of a story. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. That's way too complicated.
00:26:27
Speaker
And I'm like, I'm already writing some stories. She's like, Do you want me to edit them? I'm like, Yeah, sure. Here's the document. But her editing was grammar editing. Not helpful. Oh, Angie, thank you for supporting Laughing with Ginger. She wanted more time than what I gave her and she could have probably come up with a really good story.
00:26:56
Speaker
So she cracks my grammar. I feel like if Angie's going to talk off screen, she's going to have to talk into the mic. Our people are going to hear her. I know. Come on in, Angie. Angie, do you want to give your excuse into the microphone?
00:27:16
Speaker
but you have to say it into the microphone rationale not excuse Christina gave me 45 minutes to do this told me of course do you need two to three like I have to like figure out what stories they are and then I have to like rewrite them in villain mode it was this whole order so I just never mind I'll do it
00:27:45
Speaker
Oh, God. All right. My last story. You're four and four. Four and O. Angie just now realized we're recording. She's on the episode. Yeah. Sorry, everyone. Not a ginger. Oh, no. And she doesn't have anything red on her head.
00:28:13
Speaker
This is terrible. Everything's terrible. Oh, the world is ending. I know. I know. We had a non ginger on our call. What are we? What kind of gingers are we? What kind of rookie move was that? Oh, no. Season six. We should be like better at doing that. You would think you'd think you'd think. All right. Last story. Hmm.
00:28:41
Speaker
All right, so this dude, the hero of the story is the king of scary. And he wins all the annual awards, the scariest kid in school every year. This other guy who thinks it's all fake is like, I'm the scariest.
00:28:58
Speaker
thinks that King is scary is just this charming guy walking around, charming the teachers, the other kids and eventually like gets the whole town on his side. And this other dude is like, Listen, that's not scary. That's just charm. And it's not fair. And he has earned this reputation of being the scariest and it's like super bullshit.
00:29:20
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So our dude sets out to prove his own scariness and worthiness of being, you know, the king of scary.
00:29:29
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However, all of a sudden, the king of scary abandons his town. He's poof gone, which is now like the perfect time to step out of this asshole spotlight and shine. So he begins to emerge and all is fully scary in us just in time for the scheme of scary jackass to come back and frickin kill him. What the hell? What movie is that? I have no idea.
00:29:59
Speaker
Oh my God, I got you. You got me. God, it's Nightmare Before Christmas. I didn't know that was Disney. Yeah, it's there's there's a night so the haunted house changes to Nightmare Before Christmas on Halloween and stays that way all through Christmas. I had no idea that I so I thought of that but I was like that cannot be
00:30:29
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Disney. And then I was like, is it Beetlejuice? That doesn't seem right either. Although it's not totally off base. But then I was like, I don't think that's Disney either. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it is either. It wouldn't surprise me if Disney bought it. I feel like Disney might have owned it originally. Um,
00:30:53
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I don't know if they owned it originally, but I do know that it is definitely a ride at Disneyland and it's super fun. So then they probably do own it. I feel like they did own it originally because they own home alone. Oh my God, really? Like originally they did? I think so, yeah.
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah. I could be wrong. God, they've got their hands in everything. It makes me feel icky. I don't know why. I mean, there are plenty of things they don't own too. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Like family guy. Yeah. The one thing we could think of. Oh my God, I can't believe I got you on one. I'm so proud.
00:31:49
Speaker
Good job. All right. Well, four out of five ain't bad. That was kind of fun, too, actually. I thought you would enjoy it. I did very much so. That was super exciting. We might have to do another installment at some time in the future. There were so many villains that I could have written about. Yeah. Yeah. I think the hardest thing is making sure that
00:32:19
Speaker
Because for me, I might have chosen obscure movies. Yeah, and you got to make sure that I've seen them. That's why it was like popular ones was like, Oh, I don't know if she's seen this one, you know, you know, it would be kind of fun. So speaking of Bob's burgers, they do they do the fairy tale trials.
00:32:43
Speaker
Um, so like they do, um, Sleeping Beauty and Louise is one of the attorneys and Jean is the other one. And spoilers alert here, everyone. Um, not like the whole plot point or anything, but still spoilers in both Sleeping Beauty and Bob's burgers for this episode. But, um, so Louise realizes she can't win.
00:33:06
Speaker
defending the evil queen. So she starts essentially doing character assassination on the other people. So Jimmy Jr., one of the characters, is Prince Charming. And so she starts trying to assassinate his character. So she's like, what? You just go around and kiss dying women or dead women and see who responds?
00:33:34
Speaker
How many dead women did you kiss before? Oh my god. It is kind of creepy. It's super creepy. So that might be a fun episode too. Doing like, you know, the creepy side story of Disney movies or fairy tales. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be super fun because there is a lot of creepness happening in there.
00:34:06
Speaker
Yep, agreed. Yeah. All right. Well, that was super fun. Congratulations for winning the game. Basically, you got like a 90%. Which is good. That's an A. It's not quite the math, but look, I'll take it. I'll take it. That math doesn't add up quite, but.
00:34:33
Speaker
Oh my God. Thank you for joining us, everyone. All you villains out there on Laughing with Ginger's. We love having you listen to our evil podcast. Oh, I got her. I got her.
Listener Engagement and Closing
00:34:53
Speaker
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