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Episode 102: Fairy Tales and APs
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Hello, Podwalkers, and welcome back to the Goblin Lore Podcast! Today we have a little discussion on deckbuilding and ways to both personalize and to use your deck to tell a story. Hobbes is joined on today's episode by Dan Rothbart (aka @majin_shinsa on Twitter) to talk about his Kenrith deck built around the interplay between the King and Kingdom. The second half of the episode talks about Hobbes's latest Project. Bringing Grenzo to shine by creating a deck using Artist Proofs? Don't know what those are? We got you covered there too!
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Introduction and Absence Notification
00:00:34
Speaker
Hello Podwalkers, and welcome to another episode of the Goblin Lore podcast. Today, this is HobbsQ coming at you. I am without Alex, so Alex actually is up convalescing a little bit. He broke his foot actually on the way to work and is kind of having to, he's on crutches right now. He has his recording stuff with him, but we weren't able to record this weekend as he's kind of getting set up to work from home a little bit.
New Project with Dan Rothbart
00:00:59
Speaker
So, you know, I was kind of sitting around earlier this morning and
00:01:03
Speaker
I have a new project that I'm working on. It's something that we're going to talk about in a little bit. And this project I've been helped along with by a friend of mine from the Twitters, Dan Rothbart, also known as Atmajin, and I do not know what the underscore is because it's Dragon Ball Z, I believe you said, Dan. Yeah, so. Yeah, so.
00:01:30
Speaker
Okay so I like I just straight up forever thought that your name was like Meijin or how I had no clue how it was pronounced then learned that it's Dan so him and I have been talking back and forth about a deck that I am working on and he's also told me about a deck an edh deck built around Kenrith and
00:01:48
Speaker
And so I wanted to bring him on so that we can have a chance to talk a little bit about deck building. We did this a little bit when we had some, we had Ken and Seton from One More Mana kind of deck building philosophies that was more so. Well, this is going to take it to a different area where we talk about maybe
00:02:06
Speaker
building around flavor, building around a story, kind of what you're doing with a deck in a different way other than just kind of mechanics or why you include certain cards for their abilities.
Welcome Dan Rothbart
00:02:19
Speaker
So first thing we need to do is introduce Dan because Dan has not been on the show before.
00:02:24
Speaker
That is correct. I've never been on the show before. And it's kind of crazy that I was approached. I didn't, I didn't think, you know. Did you think I was joking around when I just like sent you a message this morning? I knew you were serious. I knew you would not joke about something like that. But I mean, I'm technically, you know, in a sense, I'm kind of a nobody and just a random person on the interwebs. And, you know, it's a big honor to get approached in my eyes, you know.
00:02:51
Speaker
for a long-standing podcast such as this one, you know? So I just, you know, I, what's funny is when I was, so Dan was asking me before we got started today about kind of, um, structure of our show and I sent him some show notes that for an example and realized I sent you the show notes from imposter syndrome. And it's just kind of funny to me because as soon as you even started saying that, like my imposter syndrome kicked in, it was like, long standing. What do you mean? Who are you talking about? Who is this podcast that you're talking about?
00:03:20
Speaker
Well, and it's funny because I know I definitely have it, especially in a works setting. And, you know, that's something that I had been struggling with. And then I see the one, I was like, Oh God, what are the odds that that's the one that he sends me as the example? I swear I just picked a random, just whatever one popped up that had a good structure to it. That's what they all say. So anyways, I am Dan also known as
00:03:51
Speaker
So you can find me on Twitter, usually very active. Sometimes I'm in random discords, you know, just kind of hanging around. I've been hanging out for years in the Pleasant Kenobi one. I mean, one called the Blind Eternities, the Eight Rack discord. So, you know, I kind of get around, but mostly Twitter. We're in an arse, though, until today.
Dan's Online Presence
00:04:19
Speaker
Yes. Today I'm now a proud member of the Goblin Lore podcast and, but mostly Twitter, you know, because it's not blocked at work and Discord is. So, you know, I've been hanging out on there a lot and, uh, background on my name. In 2000, I bought bootleg copies of Dragon Ball Z off of
00:04:47
Speaker
ebay which had just kind of started and they were subtitled versions of Dragon Ball Z because it had not reached that far in America yet and but they were copied off VHS tapes including I literally could not watch some of the episodes because they did not what was that the word that you would use for tuning it you know you would have a
00:05:16
Speaker
I just like picturing so many of our, there was like a tune button. Basically it was like a, the balance, it was like a knob that you basically had to turn. Yeah. And then like bring a signal in or what you were recording. Yeah. So it was so bad though that I literally couldn't watch about a dozen or two dozens episodes of this one arc. And so like, I actually still haven't even watched it because they never tuned it. So I couldn't read the subtitles or even see the picture. Half the audience right now.
00:05:46
Speaker
is like, what is he talking about? Bootlegs, VHS, like copies, what? The early days of eBay when they were just gathering an audience and they didn't really care what they sold on there. And so they, then I went on to a Geocities website, another blast from the past, you know, back when anybody can make those. And this site
00:06:13
Speaker
would take your name and claim that this is the Japanese, you know, how you would say it in Japan. So apparently somebody had said that Shinsa was how you said Dan. So yeah, that's the background of my illustrious name. I'm probably offending so many people that actually know Japanese, like
00:06:36
Speaker
Yeah, and it's hard. I would say too, you know, like the things that we didn't know in like early 2000, late 90s. I mean, like, it's wild to me.
Origin of HobbsQ's Username
00:06:45
Speaker
I, so I use Hobbs or Hobbs Q, um, where it's just where I can be found on Twitter. And I think the other day somebody had posted a thread on content creators. Where'd you get your name? Uh, I moved into the dorms as a freshman in 98 and I downloaded this fancy program called AOL instant messenger. Mm-hmm.
00:07:03
Speaker
But I didn't want it to have the same as like my AOL email. So I apparently just went with, well, Calvin and Hobbs. That's cool. I really love it. I mean, this is something that has definitely that part did stick with me. And my last initial is Q. So I just put Hobbs Q and I have now been with that name since 98 and.
00:07:25
Speaker
There are literally, I mean, I would say most of the magic community pretty much only know me by the name Hobbs. This has been a joke that my wife and I have been walking down the street in Minneapolis and have somebody yell out Hobbs like across the street at us. So what the audience is going to find out today is that you and I are old and we've had our names for a very long time. Yes, I'm stubborn. I've had it for so long that any time that I would think about changing it,
00:07:54
Speaker
I would have like a small panic attack almost because I've used it so long. It's basically
Deck Building Preferences
00:08:02
Speaker
in my sense, my version of myself on the internet. And the longer that it goes, like the less likely, it's like a self-fulfilling thing. Cause now if you think of changing it, you're not going to. And then each time that just reinforces stronger and stronger and stronger. Yeah. I mean, you're going to be like 90 and using it. That I wrote in 2000 and.
00:08:24
Speaker
to maybe that, um, is like, it's called F W Bush or George Bush. I mean, cause I was very mad at the war of Iraq and I thought I was going to get drafted at the time. So I was an ironic, I mean, you didn't get drafted cause we didn't have a draft and at the same time are yeah, you ended up surveying anyway.
00:08:50
Speaker
Yeah, I ended up serving as a mercenary more since because I was having a kid and I was working at a temp agency and I said, I need money. Yeah. So Dan and I have known each other for quite a while on Twitter and we actually have a love of some things when it comes to magic that I think
00:09:11
Speaker
might get us made fun of in certain societies or certain circles. So, white borders, I think we both are cool with. Unsleeved magic cards is another really big one. And the sound that they make when you sleeve them. Yes, that is true. You will unsleeve basically and play with anything. I have a random
00:09:38
Speaker
Yeah, I have a dual-end and fetchies in one deck. I found a beta control magic I forgot that I owned because it was in a random, honestly, deck of mine that I put it in a box and forgot about. Yeah, I have ADHD, and part of that is if you don't see it, you lose it. And so I put them in a box, and I only made five of the 10 decks,
00:10:08
Speaker
And the goal was to have these peasant decks, commons and commons only, and have 10 of them based around each color guild. And I completed five of them. And then I ended up finding the other five that I'd put away so I could find them easier and make them later.
00:10:26
Speaker
I think my favorite part about this is like the fact that it, that is true. Commons and uncommons. And it's a beta control magic in it. Just like, I'm pretty sure. I think control magic is an uncommon.
00:10:40
Speaker
It is, it is. I mean, I will also say too, now that work is over for the day, my brain didn't even register ADHD at all. I thought you were saying something about EDH. I was like, oh yeah, A-D-E-D. Yeah. So.
00:11:02
Speaker
Nope. Wow. I'm, I'm glad to know that I can separate my work life from my magic, the gathering life. And I very happy about
The Kenrith Deck's Journey
00:11:09
Speaker
that. So the main thing that I want to talk about today was a while ago, you posted a Kenrith deck. You and I were having a discussion and it was kind of, um, this was a deck that you built specifically around. I mean, lots of people have built Kenrith. There's very easy ways to make Kenrith degenerate. Um, you accidentally found one.
00:11:32
Speaker
not even meaning to. So you approach this a little bit differently, though. So can you tell me a little bit about how you approached just this deck at the outset? So the first version was actually still a fairy tale kind of version of the deck. And I mean, I just kind of went through all the Throne of Eldraine cards and I was like, oh, I can do the knights. There's a whole knight cycle. There's a whole castle cycle. You know, you've got. Then you also got the nobles.
00:12:01
Speaker
So there was all kinds of fun stuff. And I was like, oh, what kind of mana rock should this have? Oh, most definitely a spinning wheel. It's just part of the theme. However, I was also still approaching it a little bit with a, how can I use Kenrith to the best of my ability? So I included
00:12:28
Speaker
the artifact that reduces activation costs by two. It's a part in something. And then there's a guy in the Simic guild that does the same thing. And so you were finding ways to kind of like, even though you had a theme, you were still trying to abuse it a little bit. And then without thinking at some point, I don't remember adding it.
00:12:59
Speaker
might have added a Seaborn Muse. That's no matter how kind you want to be with Kenrith, having a Seaborn Muse in a low power game when I have like 15 mana. That, yeah, it was busted. The playgroup kind of groaned and then I dropped the D-throne Queen.
00:13:28
Speaker
Yeah. Marchesa. Marchesa. So then I could just add plus one plus one counters all the time. Oh my gosh. To my creatures. So even if they tried to get rid of them, I, and then I just looked at the group and I apologized and I said, you know what? I'm not being fair. And I, I just said, I'm going to put these in the graveyard and not bring them back.
00:13:53
Speaker
I think what we learned is that there are no fair uses of seedborne muse, basically. Oh, absolutely not. There is none. I mean, as much as you might think that you're trying to be fair with it and it may be on flavor, there's no fair uses of seedborne muse. And you were setting out to make a kind of fairy tale deck, right? I mean, that was the intention behind this. And I'm going to link some photos to this, but you were, even the idea behind this was that you were trying to make a Kenrith fairy tale deck.
00:14:23
Speaker
in the vein of Eldraine, not just using Eldraine cards, though. Yeah. I mean, I've even found out that there was a portal card called King's Assassin to go along with the classic Royal Assassin. And so I was kind of focusing a little bit more on the in the original build. It was more on the King Arthur side of it. You know,
00:14:54
Speaker
with the royal assassin, you know, the queen, the queens and the various nobles and stuff kind of more or less focusing on like a king. Sometimes they do shady things with the royal assassin, you know. And then they've got all the different castles and the lords and. Oh, you know, other cards like plea for power, you know, that just sounded, you know, like they would belong in, you know, with a king.
00:15:24
Speaker
One thing we're going to complain about right now before we move any further along is that you approach this with the nobility standpoint, including lots of nobles and royalty. However, Goblin King did not meet the criteria given that Goblin King is not a noble.
00:15:45
Speaker
No, uh, oh man. And Wizards did hear this again, just in case Gavin, if you're listening, if you have any effect whatsoever, you came on the show, you gave us some talk to us about goblins that were coming. We did get Muxus, who was known to now be a noble. Well, a group of goblins pretending to be one noble, um, one day a week. Uh, but anyway,
00:16:12
Speaker
Our friend Goblin King was not retconned to be a noble. And I actually have a note on my microphone right here that says, wizards might not consider, say goblin noble doesn't exist, but I am. So, and Dan sent that to me. So I will say, I'm just going to like be very upset about your deck not having Goblin King because it didn't fit the theme. I think I couldn't also find one either.
00:16:36
Speaker
I think my son stole ours and put it in our goblin deck. So I guess you can't really be too angry. I mean, I'm confused about a world where somebody owns one goblin king and not multiple different printings and like six copies of the Foglio art with the best flavor text. And yeah, I'm kind of surprised that I don't either because you can play them in old school. Oh, that's right. My other son has four copies in his old school deck.
00:17:07
Speaker
All right, because I think that's the one that's from Alpha, right? Yep, it is. So, yeah, he's got the other four copies in his old school deck with his beta, Mons Goblin Raiders. Nice. But you were approaching this really with kind of like you said, Arthurian legend. So you were looking for ways to be able to include stuff that, you know, yes, Wizards had done a very specific now fairy tale.
00:17:34
Speaker
Some of the Arthurian legend was in there, especially with the way that the Knights were portrayed. You were still looking out across all of Magic's history. The reason I bring this up is because I want to know like, you're somebody obviously that's played for a very long time. I know since I Sage. Since I Sage. August of 95, not that I know exactly when I started. How do you start doing a search for putting together a deck list like this?
00:18:02
Speaker
Cause this is one thing I've struggled with when I'm trying to build a very flavorful deck. So after that game, I just, I literally never played it again as it was. Right. And I, and I've got one of those, um, the Stanley containers that the, uh, the professor talked about.
00:18:24
Speaker
You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, like the toolbox ones. Yeah, you can use. Yeah. So my father-in-law makes fun of me because why would I put tools in it, you know, when he comes over. But anyways, they come with these nifty little yellow containers and they can come in and out. And if you remove one, it doesn't actually affect any of the other ones. Right. So I took the deck out. So that way I would not be able to play with it. I put on my messy desk and I went through and I took out a bunch of cards.
00:18:53
Speaker
Definitely the first one, Seaborn Muse. Took that right out. Then I really drilled down through the deck. I took out the mana reducers because then I realized that those are, you know, also quite the offender. Then I said, what kind of story do I want to tell? And I came across Quest for Vengeance, I think it is. It has Sorn on it. So I said, maybe
00:19:24
Speaker
What happened in the story was you got a card called Doom Foretold already in the set. What if he lost his way after being turned into an elk and he goes on a campaign of violence against the wilderness?
00:19:49
Speaker
you know, that they were taught, you know, you see them in all the different cards. It's mostly you've got the fairy tale side and you've got the King Arthur side. You know, and what if you just went crazy and decided to go to war, take them all out? So I started just rifling through my cards and it started leaning very black heavy. And I just. The more I looked at it, the more I wasn't really happy with the story that it was telling.
00:20:18
Speaker
You know, because I had, you know, the various cards that if you get attacked, they lose life. And it felt kind of dark and gritty, you know, lots of kill spells, you know, with my assassins. And I decided that that was not the kind of deck that I wanted to build. The deck that I wanted to build needed to run happily ever after.
00:20:49
Speaker
And if you're on a quest for vengeance, that's not very happily ever after. The old phrase of, you know, if you're a gap, you stand out with vengeance, you know, make sure to dig two graves, you know? Yeah. The idea that the story is not going to necessarily have a happy ending. And you really, I mean, you approach this deck as if the whole deck is telling a story.
Rebuilding for a Happy Ending
00:21:12
Speaker
You wanted the story to have a happy ending. So you had to start realizing like, okay, well, does this card work for that? Like I still have to have conflict. I still have to have interaction. I still need to have, uh, you know, like I said, there still is vengeance going on, but you also weren't starting out to just make a gritty dark story. Yeah. So once I changed the focus, uh, what I did then was I basically almost ripped out every card out of his sleeve. I found.
00:21:41
Speaker
these cards called the throne of empires, scepter of empires, and crown of empires. And I said, okay, that's a good start. You know, I've got more pieces for my kingdom, so I'll throw those in. And then by waiting, I got to encounter cards called the various courts, court of grace, court of ire, and so on. So now, not only does Lyndon
00:22:11
Speaker
have you know her card and her uh her knight um let's try to remember what the uh dang it what's the the white knight's name oh sir uh sir alan i think it is in this house we only really recognize sir gwen in this house so yes i want to play sir gwen in in old school oh
00:22:41
Speaker
Okay, so I said, well, I've got the knight, I've got the noble. My castle lands went missing during this whole thing. I'm guessing into other decks or into another deck box or something. So I said- On your desk, maybe. No, I cleaned up my desk once I started working with them all. And it's messy again, but I cleaned up before then. So I said, I'm going to add the quartz. I mean,
00:23:11
Speaker
the court and the castle represent the same thing in my eyes. You know, it's the central place of all these different areas. So now I've got all five nobles. I've got the knights and I've got the courts. And it also took care of me running kind of weird spells that would give me a monarch, because I mean, monarch screams came, you know, or queen.
00:23:39
Speaker
I mean it screams royal. One of the things I think is kind of cool getting to have the court cards in particular. One of the things that was nice about Commander Legends is they really wanted that and I remember when I built my boxing league deck around it.
00:23:55
Speaker
the first game or two that we played, it was very clear that they wanted Monarch to be a mechanic to encourage this attacking. And so they really made this whole idea of the courts and they made a sub-theme within the deck around it, you know, kind of a flavor to that. Well, for you,
00:24:13
Speaker
you get kind of that like fight for the throne kind of situation that you can just naturally have telling out even in other people's decks. Like those court effects are so strong that people are going to want to try to take the monarchy away from you. I mean, there really is kind of a fight for that. So now your deck isn't just telling the King Arthur story or its own fairy tale. You're letting other people's decks have a chance to get in on that story too in some ways.
00:24:40
Speaker
Exactly. And now it's forcing me to also just say, listen, if you don't take the monarch from me,
00:24:51
Speaker
Kenrith can give you cards. In fact, you don't attack me. Maybe I'll let you draw two cards, you know, and use that to to not die from commander damage. You wanted to play the politics, you. Yeah, like this deck was something that would allow you to because that's the great thing about Kenrith, Kenrith targets. I mean, that's one of the things I love. I mean, I love the fact that I love spells and abilities that let me
00:25:22
Speaker
do something like that. Or at least I can make the joke that I'm going to let somebody do something. Well, yeah, I mean, you can buff their creatures, you can bring them back. You know, like there's all kinds of. Hey, if you cast that triumph for the Horde. I'll give your creatures haste if you don't attack me, you know, and then just hope that they don't turn on you. So the other part is Kenrith is
00:25:51
Speaker
Very much a family man, too. And I know that he has a few children. So he's got the royal silence. Yep.
00:26:03
Speaker
And are you laughing because I also have a few children or? There was many laughs going into that. Like I've been thinking about like your role as a father, but which is true throughout this. Like you've mentioned your kids already a couple of times. I'm also just thinking of like. All six of them will crack packs. Right. And I would leave them laying around.
00:26:23
Speaker
your house does not have that problem of like packs being saved. I also always just think of this idea that like, do we know how many kids Kenrith really has? I mean, on the fairytale side, they will always talk about him being, you know, a good man, a good family man. I mean, the king is on the road. Game of Thrones has taught us stuff. You get bored in taverns.
00:26:50
Speaker
And you have many. Ill legitimate children. Yes, that's the phrase. So. Not all of the cards though were. Directly. Printed onto cards like I know that some of the adventure cards and stuff were built around his kids. Particularly there's a.
00:27:20
Speaker
a green card, a curious, I think it's a curious pair. And that card represents his two younger children getting lost in the woods and getting tempted, you know, in the wilds. So to represent them, because obviously the royal scions, you know, that's well in a row and those are the planeswalkers, you know, that share a spark.
00:27:50
Speaker
And having twins myself, they're actually a focus as my other, my very first kind of all in deck like that, where every card is a clone deck or clone card. So the twins always, you know, remind me of that. So I brought in the charming prince and beloved princess. And I figured that those two, you know, want the curious pair were
00:28:19
Speaker
younger boy and older girl, I believe. And, you know, those two can kind of fill in that role. And what is a story about Kenrith without Kenrith's transformation? And the unexplained vision, I just love that card because it's the twins trying to find their father to figure out what's going on. And like the artwork by Bram,
00:28:50
Speaker
is just, it's amazing. And I have a foil copy, so it looks even cooler. Well, I mean, I think that one of the things is, you know, I just really like.
00:29:02
Speaker
this approach to deck building when it comes to kind of telling a story. You know, it wasn't a matter because this is something that people, I hear a lot lately with EDH, especially with the idea of kind of staples and, you know, there's a ton of discussion in the community about what a casual format is. And
00:29:20
Speaker
I think of the ability to take something like restrictions. It kind of breeds creativity. And I asked a question today about to some people on the Goblin Lore account, you know, knowing you were going to be on tonight and we were going to be discussing this. Like, as I tend to do, I seed questions by asking people to get a conversation. And one of the first responses I got was somebody talking about building a deck based off of budget version of a commander that they really wanted to build. But they knew that
00:29:50
Speaker
If they didn't put restrictions in place it's very easy to just let that get out of hand it's very easy to kind of overbuild things and when you're trying to kind of be more creative. It is one of those things that we talk about the idea behind.
00:30:05
Speaker
Commander in the early days to begin with was Singleton bigger decks the idea in some ways was to try to get people to be more creative to kind of push that flexibility and You're kind of it's the one reason I think we see variances people try to find that spark They're trying to find that creativity because I do think that it is true that actually putting restrictions in place Not just making it where you know
00:30:29
Speaker
You basically have the whole world open to a deck like okay, well this I would love to run this card It doesn't work thematically. So I am going to choose to cut it It gets us to the point where maybe not every deck needs soul ring. Not every deck needs an arcane signet. Um, I actually
00:30:46
Speaker
purposefully have, well, I mean, I've never really owned Mana Crypts. I did seek one out recently because I built Kark and Sakashima coin flips. And it was like, okay, this makes sense. Like, I'm trying to get as many Kark's thumbs. I have to look at coin flip cards. I mean, this is a deck that actually Mana Crypt, not only, it maybe it makes it a little bit more powerful, but it makes sense that I want it in this deck. There really was kind of an intentionality to it. And
00:31:14
Speaker
You know, there's there's different levels I think that you can take this to. One of the things is even down to the level of the basic land choice.
Choosing Basic Lands with Themes
00:31:23
Speaker
Yeah, I mean. So like I said earlier, I have my deck spread out because. I'm a very visual person, I'll forget things if you know, if I don't see it so. Yeah, ADHD, blessing and a curse and so.
00:31:45
Speaker
What I did was for each basic land, I put in three. I am terrible at mana bases. I'm laughing because me too. It's like I counted up some basics and it looks good. Like it seems to work. Like I don't know. So I put in as my only creature land. I think it's my only one. I put in the fairy conclave.
00:32:14
Speaker
Very, I love rings got tons of, you know, you get a whole theme on it. I mean, I did put in, uh, the Jund in, uh, Naya panera Panama. How do you say that? You know, that the search lands just because I kind of need that one, you know, those and the, uh, the various, uh, try lands that tap kind of, uh, the nature of the beast with it being five colors and trying to.
00:32:46
Speaker
You know, trying to make it at least kind of work. Right. Right. Five color, not with a perfect manabase. So you need it to work somewhat. You're not building, you weren't building this for an optimized lands. Yeah. So, so I, you know, I included those. Uh, I feel like they are very low power though. And, um, but some of the other lands that I even added path of, uh, ancestry, like a lot of.
00:33:16
Speaker
Kings are, you know, it's like a lineage and put a lot of stock in that kind of stuff. From modern horizons, you got Cave of Temptation, which once again goes to, say, the curious pair and trying to find that apple pie from the witch, you know. You got Command Tower. And of course, I have to use the throne one because it references Gadwick.
00:33:45
Speaker
Oh, nice. I like it. I appreciate it. And then exotic and forbidden orchards, you know, because to me, they kind of have the.
00:33:53
Speaker
they're the forest right around kind of just thinking you still have the wilds versus not when you have your you have your curious pair out in the wilderness I mean you know you it does fit kind of very thematically to include these you know the the areas that maybe I love the idea of the forbidden orchard or the exotic like there's the idea that it's it's it's the outside of the the castle grounds or the courts themselves yeah because you should have the interplay between kind of the fairy tale and the
00:34:23
Speaker
like art theory and stuff. And then as far as basic lands. Now that I'm double checking, I think I might have cheated on my swamp, but three of the four, the Island Forest Mountain Plains, I have one. Those lands each have a. Either a castle or like a large structure in them. And then.
00:34:56
Speaker
Uh, that way it kind of represents each of the, you know, the, uh, Royal courts, uh, for the swamp, I guess I could cheat. And, uh, you know, I got the, the one that kind of looks like a, by a Victor Adam Mingus that's got, um, the swirling kind of graveyard looking. Oh, what I'm hearing is that you can go back and fix your, uh, swamp situation. I should. And then, uh, so then the other ones I picked.
00:35:26
Speaker
Uh, based on, you know, like they look like, um, like a path through the castles, you know, if they have like flags or something like that, uh, or, you know, they're in the wilderness. Um, one of my favorites is by Mark pool and thrown. It's got the, uh, the wishing well in it. Oh, to me, it's just very pretty. And, uh, then there's also the swamp that's kind of like the Grove lit up at night.
00:35:57
Speaker
like the lights up in the trees. And so that's another personal favorite. So I snuck those ones in. And then everything that we're kind of talking about when it comes to this deck is like, you know, you enjoy visually getting to play it, right? Like it plays through like when these lands come up. And I mean, I think this is something that I've seen more and more deck builders talking about, you know, making a decision on the basics, you know, personalizing decks in ways that are not just about
00:36:24
Speaker
the individual cards. It's not just, oh, I play this pet card of mine, or I play specific, you know, I play, I'm just thinking of, you know, I'm gonna either play the most powerful card, or I'm gonna play this card that nobody's ever heard of. It's even in the basics, you can have a sense of kind of creativity, a sense of storytelling that you're bringing to the deck and making it personal making it your own. Yeah, just because people say that snows, you know, or
00:36:52
Speaker
Uh, strictly better than basics. I mean, it most likely is true. Yeah. However, I mean, how many snow cars are you really running? I mean, as a commander deck, like.
00:37:05
Speaker
Is there a reason? Well, I mean, I thought about this with the, so I'm building a not free deck and that is actually the first time that I'm really putting snows in. And also it gave me a chance to seek out specifically Titus Lunter snow basics. Cause I have some of my old ice age ones. I could play a bunch of mismatch and that's something I'm kind of known for. Like I white, I play whiteboard lands and decks. I, I mismatch things.
00:37:30
Speaker
I also really like, I loved Titus as a person. And so being able to have those beautiful lands of his, you know, I mean, we're gonna, I'm gonna get into, we're gonna transition here in a second to talking about something else. And it kind of directly involves Titus. So I think that that makes sense. But, you know, I didn't just run snow to run snow.
00:37:54
Speaker
I got the Nafri and I got the Showcase version, and it cares about snow. So now, cool. Now I have a reason to go out and find 40 snow basics that match to play into a deck. Yeah, usually I'm in the same way where I tried to make it so every single land didn't match, and then this is... Yeah, even in regular decks,
00:38:24
Speaker
because I play a lot of modern and standard and whatnot. And even on Arena, I'll go through and I will mismatch my lands. To mismatch your lands on Arena is dedication and I am here for it.
00:38:38
Speaker
You can't make them whiteboarded, though. I know you can't. It's still up to you. I need to erase my screen. I mean. I mean, I've literally asked. I've put this request out numerous times, so.
Supporting Artists through Artist Proofs
00:38:51
Speaker
But the project that I mentioned at the top of the show that I am working on is I have my goblin EDH deck, so we gave away a copy of a goblin deck and I built the deck to give away. And while doing this was like, wait a second, like, I really like this deck. I really enjoy playing it.
00:39:07
Speaker
You put so much time into building it that you end up really enjoying it. Yeah, I built it to give away and then said, wait a second. And so I've rebuilt the deck and then recently I've wanted to kind of find a way to support artists. Just, you know, that's something that I've seen more and more that were within the Magic community, you know.
00:39:29
Speaker
artists do this incredible, beautiful work, you know, that we see on these small frames. And, you know, they go into packs and we buy them and you can, but how do you support artists directly? You know, how do you get money back into the artists hands to kind of, you know, like, obviously they were commissioned to do a piece, but I also just, you know, it's not your freelance work. I know how that goes. Like, it's such a grind. No, no, it's not lucrative. It's a grind. It's,
00:39:59
Speaker
So what was that? I mean, one of the artists just came out with how tough the pandemic was on him mentally and on Twitter just talking about that things have been so hard to make ends meet because their normal revenues of like going to GPs and signing things or doodling on random cards out of your binder. Yeah. Can't really do that.
00:40:24
Speaker
Well, I think of somebody like RK post that that man is everywhere. Like he is his travel schedule is like the most ridiculous thing you will ever see. I mean, he is somebody that is just.
00:40:37
Speaker
a great person to get to talk to at events. I've always had fun. He was one of the first ones to really start doing the tokens, selling tokens, ways to find other revenue streams for artists because prints and play mats, there's some element there. So now you see a lot of artists will do token sets that they'll sell or they have Patreons. Well, one thing that Wizards has actually had
00:41:04
Speaker
since like the beginning that not everybody knows about is what is called an artist proof. And I will fully admit that the first time I saw these, I did not know what they were. So the first time I heard about him, I believe it was from Victor Mingus on Twitter, he had mentioned something about them.
00:41:29
Speaker
And I ended up buying a handful of them off of him. And when I got them, I finally got to see what they really were. And I thought it was really cool. They're the actual magic card, but they have a blank back. Yeah, so if you've never seen this, I did post some recently on my Twitter feed.
00:41:56
Speaker
They are a normal looking magic card from the front. They mean they are the card art on there, usually that are signed. When people get them, usually artists will sign them. Some will number them. And then on the back of them, it is a blank back. One reason that a lot of artists number them is these are something that are given to the artists by wizards, but they're only given in small amounts. It's usually 30 foils and 50 non foils for each printing of the card. And I want to say that
00:42:25
Speaker
It's always been 50 because the foils are more or less kind of newer. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I, I believe it's 30. I mean, in any artists that are listening, can correct me if I'm wrong. If so, then Titus is lying to me because he sent me, uh, in snaring bridge. I got from him at one point and it was numbered 30 out of 30. So I don't want to find out that he was lying to me.
00:42:50
Speaker
He's just been putting 30 out of 30 on everybody's. Yeah, everybody. Well, but these are these are rare. Like these are actually very rare, even comparatively. Now, obviously, once again. Not able to be used in sanctioned play, technically, because they cannot have a magic back on them. Yes. And if you get a rare, you'll also notice that they have the cut out, but they do not actually have the the hollow foil on the new one. Yeah. On the new ones. Yeah.
00:43:20
Speaker
But these were not new. But people don't know about them. A lot of people don't. So the history is, do you know what the history is when they first came? No. No, I want to hear it. They were requested for, you know, this is all like eighth-hand knowledge from the internet. But they were requested for by the artists. And so the very first ones were square corner, just like
00:43:49
Speaker
collector's editions in the international edition. Right. And from what I was reading, it's these proofs are why those have the square corners or vice versa. Oh, wow. They printed them at the same time. And so there's actually Arabian Nights doesn't actually even have any artist proofs.
00:44:18
Speaker
Because those have not come out yet. So kind of moving forward from that point, but I mean, these have been around for a good portion of magic. I mean, there are those came out at.
00:44:29
Speaker
Of power there are artists proofs that have From revised there's dual lands I mean you and I were talking today and this is the thing some of these cards can fetch like a pretty penny because they are very very rare so an example would be Schuler's demonic tutor like the original alpha beta unlimited printing of demonic tutor that art
00:44:54
Speaker
There are, there are, there are these artists proofs from revised. So a white border demonic tutor with a white back on it. Now the other thing that's cool about this, $1,500 is what that will run you as we found out because, you know, these, these are cool. And these are things that I think that we've had a lot of discussion in the community about proxies. This is another thing that I think you're going to see that the EDH crowd, like, this is something that you can embrace. This is something that you can,
00:45:24
Speaker
you know it becomes a project and that's the reason I'm bringing it up because what I found while just starting this dive in was I started making a list of the deck of what I have and then who the artists were and then what arts there were and then how to find the artists which I will tell you you know not all artists are going to be active you know for every Titus Lunter that's on the you know that is on Twitter or has been on the show and is very engaged in the community there's a lot of artists that might not be
00:45:54
Speaker
It becomes... Or they moved away from magic. Or they moved away from magic. They don't know that people want these artist proofs, you know? I mean, I'm sure there are some that don't realize that this is something that people want. Or they don't want to deal with it. Right. Because it's a hassle. Because it's a lot of work. What is cool though is that, like, the blank back, the other cool thing about it is it gives artists a place to personalize copies of it. So...
00:46:23
Speaker
One of the things that a lot of artists will do, and this is kind of a nice way if you're trying to support artists and you're able to, you can, it depends on the person. And that's why we're going to talk about how to go about this, but you can, they often will have a fee associated with, Hey, you want a pen or a pencil drawing on the back of it. I'll do that. Now, usually there's a fee associated with that, but that's the point is you can kind of support the artist and get your own like unique version of a magic card. Yes.
00:46:53
Speaker
So, and the funny thing is, even though I had known about the cards, I actually didn't even start building this deck until I bought a, there was a Senate Enricar is one of my favorite cards because I absolutely love Nemesis. Like that's one of my favorite blocks. It is terrible cards, but I love them. And the story is just, I loved it. So, and the cards in it,
00:47:23
Speaker
aren't powerful, but they're like, in a sense to me, like Throne of El Drane. They tell a lot of the story about this, about them fighting, the rebels fighting, the Evan Carr wrath, and trying to, you know, get out from under their thumb and back to where they're supposed to, you know, where they come from. And so I found out that there's a magazine promo of it called Goda. And what it is is on the back,
00:47:51
Speaker
It just says Magic the Gathering Trading Card Game, Classic 6th Edition, God of Special Version, and it's green, and it's not a regular back. And I was asking some people in Discord, like, okay, what do I do with this? I always said, I'm gonna make a commander deck, but what do I do? And somebody said, well, what about an artist-proof deck? And I said, okay, I'll go with it. And that's when I really started looking into it.
00:48:24
Speaker
This started with funny is like, I didn't even know honestly that you were working on this until I brought up the out of kind of one day I was just like, huh, like, okay, like, I want to learn more about artists proof. So I want to do this. Why not try to turn my goblin deck into an artist proof deck. I know
00:48:41
Speaker
people like Mike Lineman, Donnie Coltrider, they've got some connections and maybe one of them will be able to help me get started on this project. And so I bring it to that and then I just post about it and you reach out and you're like, Hey, yeah, here we go. And what's funny. I probably have a Flava 100. What's up.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the thing that we're going to. Yeah, like I've already seen like, OK, this deck is going to have some cards in it that maybe if I'm really going to truly do this, like some of these cards I'm not going to get, you know, I started going through my list and like it's just it's not going to happen. I mean, some of these cards are the artists are dead or, you know, they've passed away. Like getting a proof is going to be basically like it's kind of cool. Maybe there's some that I'll try to get. But you're going to suck in now.
00:49:27
Speaker
You're either buying them secondhand, or you're having to come across them in a random trade buy. I mean, it's going to be stories, which is cool to look for. But this is the other piece that we started seeing, and I learned from kind of you, is that I always think it's interesting when we reach into the different areas of magic community to see the seedy underbelly, that there's unfortunately, just like with anything to do with capitalism,
00:49:51
Speaker
like people that go out and like buy up artist proofs and then jack up the price on eBay like I went to go look on eBay to start with and I found this this seller and we're not gonna get into specifics it just you can find it pretty easily and as soon as I contacted you you were like oh yeah
00:50:08
Speaker
Like, that's a known thing. And I was like, but I can get those directly from the artist for a fraction of the cost. Yes. Yes, but nobody knows this. Exactly. So it's very kind of weird to find this out. So my journey was kind of, since I knew about the artist proofs, I just kind of googled, I'm not even sure what my first order was.
00:50:37
Speaker
I know some of my first ones, um, Mark Zuggs, because I wanted to get a copy of my commander as an art group, which then reading his website, he says, you know, Hey, just email me, tell me which ones you want from the spreadsheet and so on. And, uh, here's the prices. I don't sketch anymore. And I'm like, so now I can't even get my commander sketched unless I find one.
00:51:06
Speaker
And, uh, and unfortunately it was the 10th edition, not the nemesis. I mean, Oh, it's not even white border. I mean, if you're not going to have the original, you at least want white borders. So the funny thing is the God is actually white border. Even though it's got the nemesis symbol. Now those are my favorite types. So, uh, then I, you know, just started kind of looking up people. Uh, I believe that, uh, darken, I think that's how you say their name. Yep. Darken.
00:51:37
Speaker
He was another one that I reached out to and he's got some pretty good ones. He's also the one that I figured out that if it's a split card, if it's a dual phase card, I mean it's actually two different proofs.
00:51:54
Speaker
So I discovered this way because I was looking at the dual faced red black land for that just came out in, um, and, and learn that, yeah, there, I was like, well, how can there be an artist proof of this? Yes. So like my Albus, Albus, the binding blade, uh, doesn't, I don't have the backside to it. It is sold out.
00:52:20
Speaker
And, uh, that's amazing because I didn't realize it is sold out. So, and since I didn't realize that it was sold out, I'd asked for a sketch on it. And I was like, I don't know how it's going to work, but Hey, on the site, you can off, you know, you can get a sketch. So now I'm going to have to, uh, and that one's by, uh, Eric, uh, just chance again. And, uh, I am terrible with names. And so.
00:52:50
Speaker
From there, if I'd spent longer than five seconds before hitting purchase, I could have found from the vault printing that he only sells them as a pair. As a pair, yeah.
00:53:04
Speaker
No, and this is like, I've been on some sites looking, I ended up getting the last of two, it looks like, that I didn't even mean to. So I got a Conflux Evolving Wilds. And so, at Bolt the Bee, if people know, is like a huge Evolving Wilds fan. And I told her about, hey, you know, like, these artists' proofs are very reasonably priced. I know you love Evolving Wilds.
00:53:27
Speaker
And she went to click right after I had bought them and like, there was no conflicts, Lux left. Like she was trying to buy one of every print that was available. Like that, like, Oh, oops, sorry. That's in my bin. And then, uh, I bought Grenzo, same thing, the red, black Grenzo I needed to be, um, so it's Lucas Grosiano. Um, I wanted that to be my, like, that was like the first purchase I made, right? Like gotta have the commander and I got that one in foil and it's now not available on the website.
00:53:57
Speaker
anymore in foil. So it's kind of this is those things once that's gone, like it's it's unclear. So I yeah, my personal thing is I knew that basically answer would be the toughest to acquire. So can you say a little about that? Because that was surprising to me when I started this. Yeah, I mean,
00:54:26
Speaker
a normal commander deck for me what I do is I count out 39 my commander makes 40 therefore I have 60 cards to fill well I quickly decided that I would not buy out swamps as I came across them to finish the deck quicker what I would do is buy out some you know so I think I got two of Titus's snow covered
00:54:57
Speaker
uh, swamps, you know, because those are, they're pretty hot. I gotta, I can't lie. Yeah. So, and then I think from a couple of them, I might've bought three of it. Uh, and that was just kind of, I just kept running into walls, try to find basic lands because my deck's only one color and.
00:55:17
Speaker
There is no TCG for artist proofs. No. You're Google searching. I didn't even know about Mark at the time. Yeah. Yeah. So there's people are looking into kind of this. I will tell you that, you know, there are a lot of times. So if you're join the art groups that are on Facebook, so like there's the art market, there are signature groups. This this is like.
00:55:46
Speaker
takes work to just even learn about some of this piece. Like I had a hand up or a leg up in some ways, because I'm because Mike Lineman is happens to be local to Minneapolis and is a friend, right? So he knows a lot of the artists, he, he represents artists. So, you know, this is stuff that takes building relationships and Google searches become your friend approaching people appropriately.
00:56:15
Speaker
Well, it's an artist name and artist proof or them in store or something like that.
00:56:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And you'll find that this is going to get you so far. So, I mean, I'm throwing this in, too, because this is... So, we talked a little bit about... Recently, there's been discussion of, like, kind of this idea of, like, the parasocial relationships that develop because of internet. And Lawrence Harmon had his article that he talked about this, that, you know, that's one of the things is with the internet the way that it is and with social media,
00:56:48
Speaker
I think people get familiar at times and they think that they know somebody or somebody owes them something because either they're giving them money or they want to give them money. And realizing that that's not going to work. Approaching an artist and just aggressively asking about these things, it is kind of you want to be respectful of the artist.
00:57:10
Speaker
wanting to give them money. You are wanting to support them. Artists are incredibly busy. I contacted one person, it was like, I contacted Pete Venters and he's like, I've got some of what you would like. My store's closed till May. Please just reach back out then. It is recognizing that the
00:57:31
Speaker
How you go about this is really going to be, you know, this is one of those things that I think as you were mentioning at the beginning with artists talking about how they lose out on revenue, like this is the things that people brought to shows with them. Like they would have their binder with their artist proofs. That's how I remember seeing these. These were like at GPs.
00:57:49
Speaker
We're in a different world now and doing this is kind of a fun just this is something that I just think is funny because in a Pandemic world, I need distractions. I don't have all my normal ones. This has been like amazing to me to do Just even start this and I have to say I am. Sorry. Mr. Mingus the fathering I talking about the parasitical a relationship I've walked him about things that I should not have
00:58:17
Speaker
And I'm going to say, I apologize now. I'm, I'm sure that he's a huge fan of the goblin lore podcast. So I don't know if he listens, but I just want to put it out there and the odd chance that maybe he does. Hey, Hey, if it was up to me, every artist would listen to the show. We haven't had an artist on in a while. We need to work on that. Yes. And, um,
00:58:46
Speaker
Yeah, so like I said, one of my big things was not buying out any. Now, if I bought a single and it was the last one, I mean, I can't help that. Right. You didn't want to set out to kind of just, even though it would make your life easier, you wanted to have people have the same opportunities maybe that you did to not be buying out all of somebody's 30 basics that they got. That's all of them.
00:59:17
Speaker
Because as we're, you're finding out, and like I said, if you want to go look on eBay, and I did pick some up off of eBay because there are some that are reasonable, but this is like, it's learning a whole new market. Like, okay, this person is just jacking up prices. Like, okay, this person looks to see like they, maybe they represented them because they have sets of them, but they're reasonably priced. Um, yes. Yeah. And you can usually tell. And that's why like, I'm part of a Facebook group for artists proofs.
00:59:45
Speaker
And I try not to bug Mark unless I see he's got the green circle on Facebook Messenger. I don't want to be that irresponsible guy that's waking him up or bothering him when he's doing something.
01:00:02
Speaker
And I think this is learning that once again, just because somebody represents an artist, a lot of the people who tend to do this, like Mike, like Mark, Donnie's another one that we've mentioned, they have jobs. This is something that they're doing separate. I'm kind of the same way. I just drop a message if I hear something or I know they'll get back to me when they can. Just kind of that expectation that if this is something that you're interested in doing,
01:00:30
Speaker
doing some research, doing the legwork up front is going to go a long way towards getting better responses.
Storytelling in Deck Building
01:00:36
Speaker
Literally just keep googling.
01:00:38
Speaker
start there and then like you know and build yeah just and this is a fun I don't know I wanted to have you want to talk about this because I think that this is just this is we've had two different things that we're talking about here the story that you tell by building your deck and I think that the artist proof has been my project and my way to do that right now like it ties me to the goblin lord podcast it really you know keeps me like the show is so important to me that now
01:01:07
Speaker
Being able to start working towards a deck that's going to have those elements is very personal to me and In a way that even my bolus deck which is the longest standing deck that I've had is not you know Like that deck has a lot of memories. It's very personal. It's built. I mean, it's the deck I've had I love playing it. This is going to be different This is gonna be something that I can
01:01:30
Speaker
tell a story about, kind of like you and I have been doing here today. And I think this all just comes back to me to storytelling, whether it be in our gameplay or whether it be in how we were able to find the card that we wanted for the deck. So really, I just want to thank you, Dan, for taking the time to come on. Tell us about your deck, which is a very personal project for you.
01:01:56
Speaker
And then to also like, just let me help enlighten people about artist proofs, which is just something that I feel like everybody should know way more about. And something that you can remember is if you buy a proof, especially if you think it's going to be a high demand one, you can always send it back in to get that sketch or that painting later. Um, so like I have a revised nightmare from Melissa Benson. Of course, at the time I sprung for the painting and she died.
01:02:26
Speaker
She put a, you know, a closeup of, you know, the, the nightmare. And then same thing with, uh, uh, Anson Maddox, he actually drew a zoomed out picture of, uh, the revised Sanger vampire that I got. Oh, that's awesome. And they put a lot of quality detail into it. And, uh, but even some of the quicker ones, you know, they could still. Yeah. And I think sketches, but they still.
01:02:56
Speaker
You know, look cool and I've got a swamp, which I should probably get over to you that I got from somebody. The back of the swamp is a goblin face. Oh, well, then I mean, yeah. To be fair, I actually did just place an order for.
01:03:13
Speaker
some Titus Lunter and he is supposed to be doing a goblin for me on the back of a thriving moor. So the jumpstart, red, black land. And I will fully admit too, I did end up springing for an artist proof of the Phyrexian swamp. I have one of those too.
01:03:33
Speaker
beautiful and it is worth the money and Also, I think it I mean if you want to look into these things you'll see that for certain cards there is there is a premium just like there is with just like there is going to be with finding a specific edition or a foil because He got I mean that was jumpstart jumpstart didn't come foil right? I mean, so basically there's like 50 of these. Yeah with fire I read it until
01:04:01
Speaker
Oh, yeah, the frecs. I don't even know if that's going to get reprinted. Right. I mean, so like there's the question, you know, so like, you know, like it was just kind of like these are cool opportunities to own something of magic history that is limited in a way that is collectible. And, you know, yep, can't use it in sanctioned play. This really is about the collection and about supporting the artist. Yeah. And so like I have a bond to his last reckoning. I traded a card to
01:04:31
Speaker
Victor Mingus for it. He was looking for a LED. I had an LED that I was getting rid of. Yeah. And so he goes, Hey, pick any, you know, pick any card. So, you know, uh, I looked at his vast list and instead of getting, you know, Kaiha's wrath or something good, you know, I got my favorite board wipe of all time. And, um, he asked what I wanted in the back a lot. Uh, there's some artists that.
01:05:01
Speaker
more or less just like to do on the backside, do just the same picture or some variation of it. And some really like to go out. Well, he went all out and did a painting of Bontu, but it was his eternal version. So on the front, it's Bontu trying to take out all the zombies and safe hazard in the story. And then on the back is
01:05:30
Speaker
a masterful painting. It's an actual painting on the back of Bontu as a Eternal, and I just told him to do, you know, whatever he wanted to on the back of it. And then sometimes, like, I got a, a sword from Karen Yanner. I think that's how you say his name, but it's the masterpiece one.
01:05:58
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And, uh, on the back, I asked if he could do, uh, what's his angel's name? Aberson? Yeah. Uh, just because for me, those two kind of really go together. And I said, if you're okay doing it, could you do, do her? If not, it's up to you. And, you know, I try to be respectful and, um,
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I try to, you know, I usually do like to leave it up to the artist, you know, and, but for that one, I kind of said, Hey, I've got a request. Well, and I think that let artists be artists. So, you know, yes, maybe you have something that you would like done from them. Also giving them that room to, you know, they like to create. So, but yeah, so thanks for joining us, Dan. And you and I have managed to blather on for over an hour, which I love.
01:06:54
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rather on for another two days. Well, I know that. So thank you. I just appreciate you coming on, especially last minute doing this and everybody out there will see you soon.
01:07:07
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And that's our show for today. You can find the host on Twitter. Hopskew can be found at Hopskew, and Alex Newman can be found at Mel.com. Send any questions, comments, thoughts, hopes, and dreams to at goblinmoorpod on Twitter, or email us at goblinmoorpodcast at email.com. If you want to support your friendly neighborhood gospel, the task can be found at patreon.com slash goblinmoorpod.
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Opening and closing music by Vindergarten, who can be found on Twitter at Vindergarten, or online at vindergarten.bandcamp.com. Logo art by Steven Raffaele, who can be found on Twitter at Steve Raffaele. Babylon Lore is proud to be presented by Hipsters of the Coast as part of their growing Vorthos content, as well as magic content of all kinds. Check them out on Twitter at hipstersmtg, or online at hipstersofthecoast.com.
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Thank you all for listening, and remember, goblins, like snowflakes, are only dangerous in numbers.