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Episode 267: Spider-Melthos, Spider-Melthos, Does Whatever a Spider... Doesthos?
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Hello, Podwalkers, and welcome back to another episode of the Goblin Lore Podcast! September is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month. Hobbes has been continuing to train for the Twin Cities Marathon (running to raise money for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention) and Goblin Lore in conjunction with Drew from Show and Tell will put putting out stories of hope. You can find the ongoing playlist here.
Taya and Alex look into the Spider-Man set from a Melthos perspective. With a whole multiverse of Spider-People to discuss, what will the most interesting cards be?
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Transcript
Introduction and Hobbs's Marathon
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Hobbes
Hello, Podwalkers, and welcome to another episode of the Goblin Lore Podcast. We are here tonight to talk Spider-Man. So there's a another big Universe is Beyond set going on. And unfortunately, Hobbs, well, maybe not unfortunately. Hobbs is not here. He is taking a break very intentionally and specifically.
00:00:22
Hobbes
um He is working on getting ready for a marathon He's sharing some information about that in social media. that's There's stuff in our Discord, too. I know if you if you follow him on Blue Sky or anything, he's got info there.
00:00:34
Hobbes
He's raising money for Suicide Awareness Month. but September is Suicide Awareness Month, and so we just want to make sure we recognize that. um So he is not joining us, but the...
00:00:49
Hobbes
Sorry.
Universe is Beyond Set Overview
00:00:51
Hobbes
Already off the rails. I'll introduce myself. I've told you who isn't here.
00:00:55
Taya
Bye.
00:00:55
Hobbes
I'll who is here other than me. um I'm Alex. My pronouns are Ian. I am only at this point really found on the Goblin Lord Discord. I've mostly gotten off of social media.
00:01:10
Hobbes
um And we have an opening question, which I'll circle back to once our other host introduces himself.
00:01:16
Taya
Hi, I'm Taya. You can find me, uh, Taya Transcends on Blue Sky or on the Discord and, pronouns are she, her, they, them. And, um, yeah, should be an interesting set to discuss. I do, I am sad Hobbs is going to miss it because he's a true Spider-Man fan. So it would have been good to get his take on some of these,
00:01:38
Hobbes
yeah yeah i think you and i are i think we're gonna still have a good conversation about some mechanics and some fun things but we're gonna miss a lot of the like spider-man lore if that makes sense because and i'm not a big comic person and
00:01:53
Taya
No, and it's not my favorite Marvel property, but I do like what they've done here.
00:01:57
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:01:58
Taya
Yeah.
00:01:59
Hobbes
Yep. There's, there's a lot of cool stuff.
00:02:00
Taya
yeah
00:02:01
Hobbes
And have, I have i've found a bunch of stuff. I honestly, i found, I have a larger list than I was expecting when I started pulling stuff together. I was, I was a little worried it would, it would not, it would be kind of short, but I found a bunch of stuff that I think will be interesting to talk about, but it'll be a little less on this.
00:02:16
Hobbes
Obviously it's all Spider-Man centric, but it'll be a little bit less of, it'll be just more, these are some interesting things and what I, what little I know sort of of Spider-Man being pulled into the ah card game.
00:02:28
Taya
Yeah, if it hasn't been in one of the movies, I probably don't know the reference. um
00:02:35
Hobbes
Yeah, I'm...
00:02:35
Taya
But I have seen, I've seen most of the movies, at least.
00:02:36
Hobbes
i'm
00:02:41
Hobbes
Yeah, I'm i'm in ah in a similar way, and I have a decent pop... you Just through pop culture osmosis, I have a decent idea of who Spider-Man is in general as a character, and there's a few...
00:02:51
Taya
Mm-hmm.
00:02:54
Hobbes
good nods to that in a few places. And we we'll we'll get into that. So we have an opening question first. And so we wanted to um sort of on theme for the Spider-Man, we have you know the full sp set reveal. But we also have, as we do with modern sets these days, have kind of other little subset ancillary things. And so we have this one um Marvel Universe something or another that is a bunch of cards that have like comic panels.
00:03:23
Hobbes
Most of, well, these are all existing magic cards. A handful of them are re-flavored where they give it a new name, but it's actually the other card, which is a thing they've been doing for a few years now.
00:03:35
Hobbes
Going back to, wasn't Godzilla the first one to do that?
00:03:37
Taya
Yeah, Godzilla was when they first did that.
00:03:39
Hobbes
and Kind of a weird place for that to start, but cool. um so But a lot of these, honestly, a surprising number of these did not use that sort of handheld handhold to help pull the pull the theme together a surprising number of these are just like really appropriate names for things that happen to fit spider-man comics
00:03:59
Taya
Yeah, it's just like they did with the Final Fantasy bonus sheet.
Spider-Man Themed Card Reprints
00:04:03
Taya
It's the same exact treatment. It's that white text over the background that makes it almost impossible to read. ah
00:04:11
Hobbes
yep yeah fair but oh
00:04:11
Taya
um But some of the art is really sweet on these cards. And they're all there they're all reprints, like you said. And then the the legendaries have been re-skinned or renamed to it.
00:04:25
Hobbes
That's a... Yeah, I hadn't caught that it was just the Legendaries that were re-skinned. Yep.
00:04:30
Taya
you know
00:04:31
Hobbes
But yeah, a lot of lot of cool things. So I will go with um one one that I thought was really... It's just funny. It made me laugh. It was Unexpected Windfall. Because that this is the, like, memed, sort of, I think you i could you could say this was a meme, the whole ah line, face a tiger, you just hit the jackpot thing.
00:04:54
Taya
Yeah, they do quite they did quite a few memes in this set overall.
00:04:57
Hobbes
And... But I just, I think that the unexpected windfall is just like really funny that that was a pre-existing card that that happens to fit that perfectly.
00:05:10
Hobbes
And so I just, I was scrolling down these kind of looking, I mean, A, the art on all these is really cool.
00:05:15
Taya
the art is sweet yeah savage beating is just it is fantastic uh
00:05:15
Hobbes
But I, but that, or
00:05:21
Hobbes
Yeah, but that that is the only one that like made me laugh out loud when I saw it.
00:05:26
Taya
yeah um yeah it's uh
00:05:27
Hobbes
So that was one I wanted to call out.
00:05:33
Taya
I think I want to get a copy of the Savage Beating for my Rada deck that I'm working on, because I have Savage Beating in the deck list. And it would be, ah i like this art a lot.
00:05:44
Hobbes
Oh, yeah. That's good. And I just i just realized there's a Goblin Bombardman in there, too. i actually That's a card I have in my Zada deck.
00:05:50
Taya
Yep.
00:05:55
Taya
Yeah. ah
00:05:55
Hobbes
Yep.
00:05:56
Taya
And in this case, it's the Green Goblin shooting at Spidey.
00:05:59
Hobbes
yep Yeah. liter Literally bombarding him.
00:06:03
Taya
yeah Yeah, the Thrill of Possibilities is really cool, too, showing the Spider-Verse.
00:06:05
Hobbes
Yeah. So yeah, that's that's a fun ah fun thing.
Card Mechanics and Spider-Man Universe
00:06:13
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:06:16
Taya
I just wish these were easier to read. They need they just need some background behind the text. It was the same problem with the Final Fantasy bonus sheet.
00:06:24
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:06:25
Taya
You know, these vary widely on the readability depending on what colors are in the background since there's no ah there's no box behind the text at all.
00:06:25
Hobbes
Yeah, that.
00:06:36
Hobbes
Yep. Yeah, it's that that part definitely sucks. But the the overall like the art to the cards like is is it's super cool as someone who isn't like really deep into these comics. It's still really fun to see.
00:06:53
Taya
yeah Yeah, it's some really sweet art.
00:06:56
Hobbes
Yeah. and And through all the ages, I guess I don't know for sure, but there is definitely art you can tell ours is much, much older and more on modern art.
00:07:05
Taya
Oh, yeah, there's a a wide variety of art styles represented here. And I guess these are all well-known comic artists.
00:07:12
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:07:16
Taya
Yeah, like I see Todd McFarlane and Steve Ditko in here. So these are all... actual comic artists, um, yeah,
00:07:25
Hobbes
That makes sense.
00:07:28
Hobbes
Yeah, that's cool. All right. Well, do we want to start on the main set here? right.
00:07:35
Taya
yeah, let's do that, ah
00:07:38
Hobbes
So I guess I'll just throw out the, the we are mostly, or like we're going to, at least for myself, I want to mostly talk about things from flavor and mechanical standpoint. So kind of the Malthos thing, um which we we have talked about in more depth in other episodes, but just the idea of just like, Vorthos is kind of appreciating the flavor of magic, not even the mechanic the game itself sometimes, but the art, the the flavor text of the cards, or even, you know, story novels, cosplaying.
00:08:09
Hobbes
And then Mel is is really appreciating cards from the mechanics, not necessarily because it's good, but maybe because it's interesting. And so at least that's where I have some things. So I'm not going to be like, here's what's going to be big and standard, or even here's what I'm going to play in my commander deck, to be honest.
00:08:25
Taya
Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, we never really talk about what's going to be big and standard.
00:08:28
Hobbes
No.
00:08:30
Taya
We're usually talking about commons and uncommons a lot of the time.
00:08:31
Hobbes
No. Yes, which is of a lot of fun and one of the reasons that I love doing this too, because we just we get to talk about those cards that don't get looked at. so um I have one if you don't mind me starting.
00:08:45
Taya
go ahead.
00:08:46
Hobbes
This one is weird and unnerves me slightly. City Pigeon.
00:08:53
Taya
Oh, yeah. I've seen people at pre-releases. I've seen pictures from pre-releases of people collecting this card.
00:09:00
Hobbes
Yeah, and and not like, oh, i actually, now that i think about it, not from the I'm i'm afraid of pigeons, sink because I have a friend who who is, as he has an issue with pigeons. Fair enough. But no, the the mechanics of this. So it's a 1-1 bird for white with flying and has, when this creature leaves the battlefield, create a food token. And there's flavor text about, know, ah, that was my lunch, like the pigeon stealing a hot dog or something.
00:09:25
Hobbes
But like, there's some suggestion of the bird leaving and becoming a food token.
00:09:30
Taya
Yeah.
00:09:31
Hobbes
And that's the mechanic that kind of unnerves me a little bit.
00:09:32
Taya
but but
00:09:37
Hobbes
So...
00:09:38
Taya
Fresh pigeon.
00:09:39
Hobbes
Yes, that's that's my ah that's what I have to say about City Pinch, and I guess I don't know. but Maybe that sets a good tenor for the type of cards we talk about on these like, quote unquote, set reviews.
00:09:56
Taya
Um,
Spider-Verse Cards Mechanics
00:09:58
Taya
yeah. ah I guess the, you know, since I'm, I'm here on the page, I'll talk about friendly neighborhood, which is a card type. We don't get very often. It's an enchant land. We don't see a lot of those,
00:10:12
Hobbes
Yeah. yeah
00:10:12
Taya
ah yeah when it comes into play, you get three citizen creature tokens, and then the land gets ah one in tap, target creature gets plus one, plus one, until end of turn for each creature you control, active all is a sorcery.
00:10:25
Taya
But this is just one of those, oh, they took they took ah they took part of the name and made a card for it. ah But yeah, it makes a little neighborhood out of one of your lands, which I just love the idea of throwing this on one of the really dark red-black tools or something.
00:10:43
Hobbes
Yeah, making some citizens and
00:10:47
Taya
you know friendly neighborhood Sulphurous Falls or
00:10:49
Hobbes
friendly making.
00:10:54
Hobbes
Yeah. yeah they Oh, its i say I think it's Sulphur Springs. mike That seems like a friendly neighborhood.
00:10:59
Taya
or Springs. That's what I would, yeah.
00:10:59
Hobbes
Yeah, yeah there's there's a friendly little guy in there.
00:11:02
Taya
ah Yeah.
00:11:06
Hobbes
Yeah, that's that's a one. I didn't even catch it. This was in Enchantland. You're right. that's That's not one we see often anymore.
00:11:11
Taya
No.
00:11:14
Hobbes
right, cool. Well, I guess um one that another mechanical thing that I always pay a lot of attention to, maybe ah too much attention to, is is names.
00:11:18
Taya
Amen.
00:11:26
Hobbes
Names are really interesting to me because of how they can't repeat a name. In Magic, once a card exists with a given name, that is that card always and always, always. So if they want to use that name, they got to reprint that card.
00:11:40
Hobbes
And so we've got rent is due in white, which is just, I'd love that. So.
00:11:48
Taya
This is the only place a card with that like title could get printed. i
00:11:53
Hobbes
it Exactly, exactly.
00:11:55
Taya
i mean, it could be a Ravnikan card, I guess, because Ravnikan is a capitalistic hellscape, uh, as well.
00:11:55
Hobbes
yeah
00:12:01
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:12:02
Taya
Uh,
00:12:03
Hobbes
Yeah, that's true. Like there's there's maybe a few little places, but this is like the most appropriate place. And also, that's one of those things where the universe is beyond is a little weird with the greater game where it in a sense, it's sort of it uses up names that don't necessarily fit with the.
00:12:22
Hobbes
base game and so finding places where they can come up with a name like this that fits really well here and doesn't really fit anywhere else that you'll see there's so many cards that have people's names in it over proper nouns from the property.
00:12:33
Taya
he ah Yeah, I mean, that that's a general thing with universes beyond sets in general, is there's so many proper nouns. but that
00:12:42
Hobbes
Yeah, and and I wonder if some of that, A, there's there's some just recognition recognition recognizability about it too. So people who are coming to Magic having never played before or having not played for a long time are coming to it for the this property.
00:12:50
Taya
Mm-hmm.
00:12:58
Hobbes
Having those proper nouns would be good for them.
00:13:01
Taya
Yeah.
00:13:01
Hobbes
Like that would be cool. But also it it does this thing where it allows them to create a whole lot of names that don't have to... conflict with the normal magic universe.
00:13:13
Taya
No. ah It does make them harder to reprint, though, which is also concern.
00:13:17
Hobbes
This is true.
00:13:20
Taya
Going back to Rent His Dude, though, I like the mechanics of this card as well.
00:13:24
Hobbes
honestly hadn't even read it.
00:13:26
Taya
Yeah, at the beginning of your end step, you may tap two untapped creatures and or treasures you control if you do draw a card, otherwise sacrifice this enchantment. So you either pay you pay your your rent or you you get evicted.
00:13:34
Hobbes
oh
00:13:39
Hobbes
Yeah, and it's either in labor or treasure, so very capitalism.
00:13:42
Taya
Yeah.
00:13:45
Hobbes
Yeah, okay, that's really cool.
00:13:45
Taya
Um...
00:13:49
Taya
um All right, I guess right next to it on the list is Peter Parker, but I'm more interested in talking about the cycle of cards rather than this card in particular.
00:13:59
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:14:00
Taya
um We talked about this when they first previewed the cards, but they introduced for the first time MDFC's ah that are um they're transforming MDFC. So on the front, they're always a cheaper, less powerful version of the creature um that has a transform ability, in this case, one in Bant. Or you could just play the other side for one in Bant and skip the front side completely.
00:14:30
Taya
ah
00:14:30
Hobbes
Uh huh.
00:14:32
Taya
So like there's a whole cycle of these creatures.
00:14:32
Hobbes
That's right.
00:14:34
Taya
um I think these are some of the more interesting cards as new commanders, just because we haven't had this before.
00:14:44
Hobbes
Uh huh.
00:14:44
Taya
um you know I really like the Green Goblin one, but of course now you know there's the online-only printing has everybody's new favorite creature Phlegm on it, or Fleam.
00:14:59
Taya
Which, yeah, since you're not on Blue Sky, you missed all the memes, I'm sure. But Fleam is the new... he's thought He's on the in-universe version of the card, and he's the new Fibble Thip now.
00:15:13
Taya
Everybody loves Fleam.
00:15:15
Hobbes
Okay.
00:15:16
Taya
So it's just just cute little monster creature on the back of the in universe version of Norman Oswald.
00:15:25
Hobbes
okay
00:15:29
Hobbes
Yeah, that's fun.
00:15:29
Taya
but yeah, so I just, I liked the design space that these cards used, um, or Norman Osborn. Yeah. So it's green goblin in the set and then it's fleam in the you know the universe is within version, the, through the Elman path.
00:15:45
Taya
Uh, Which that, I mean, we could talk on that set on all on its own because that, you know, just in cards and art and stuff, there's a lot of in-universe flavor you can see on the the ah arena cards that um you just pick up. You can like, oh, this is on that plane. This looks really cool. Or um You know, there's there's a whole bunch of planes represented. There's there's at least one card that represents Kylum.
00:16:10
Taya
ah So, yeah, there is there is some cool stuff to pick through in the Universes Within version, even if you don't play on Arena.
00:16:19
Hobbes
Yeah, that's cool.
00:16:23
Hobbes
Yeah, and that that is an interesting design space. I had forgotten about that, um that they worked that way. You're right. When I was looking through this set, I totally, it didn't even occur to me, you can cast the second, the the back face oh oh directly instead of having to cast the front and then transform it.
00:16:42
Hobbes
Or, yeah, you could go either way with these, which is cool.
00:16:47
Hobbes
And that also gives you like an easier mono color on the front and then put a three color on the back, which makes it a three color commander for commander if you wanted to do that.
00:16:58
Taya
And I would love to hear Hobbes' opinion on Green Goblin because they made another... um classic villain Grixis colors. and And we know how much Hal talks about villains always being Grixis colors.
00:17:16
Hobbes
Yeah. Yeah, maybe Grixis characters being mischaracterized as villains, like, you know,
00:17:23
Taya
Yeah. Like a certain dragon that...
00:17:25
Hobbes
oh like a certain dragon.
00:17:28
Taya
and trying
00:17:29
Hobbes
Exactly, exactly. Okay, well, um in something new or or maybe something rare for both Magic and, I believe, comic books, just from a flavor standpoint, I want to talk about supportive parents.
Storytelling in Cards: Supportive Parents vs. J. Jonah Jameson
00:17:43
Taya
Oh, yeah.
00:17:45
Hobbes
again I guess you know the the card is is kind of interesting two and a green for three three tap two untapped creatures you control add one man of any color might be nice. i This is a weird mechanical thing that I find interesting.
00:17:59
Hobbes
There's some stuff that requires like untapping to trigger things. And of course, every just about every creature can attack to untap, but that also risks them being killed. So having ways like this to tap your own creatures as a cost, but then get a benefit out of it. i always It's the same reason like I love the mechanic Madness, where you can cast something if you discard it.
00:18:18
Taya
Yeah. Well, this also plays, i you know, like I said, we don't talk about standard, but in standard right now, there's also the survivor mechanic back from Dustmourne, which cares if a creature is tapped in near second your your second main phase.
00:18:19
Hobbes
like i love...
00:18:24
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:18:34
Hobbes
OK, yeah.
00:18:34
Taya
um So this is another way to tap creatures for stuff like that. Right.
00:18:38
Hobbes
Yeah, and so, like, mechanically, a it's interesting in standard for that, or just in general in the greater, larger game for for some older sets as well. But then I also just think it's kind of funny that there's a card called Supportive Parents.
00:18:53
Hobbes
Because ah you don't, in a lot of these types of properties, they you know, characters don't have parents often.
00:18:53
Taya
Yeah.
00:19:01
Hobbes
theyre They die from this or that, or
00:19:01
Taya
Yeah, i mean the main Spider-Man character doesn't, but Miles Morales has a a nice family.
00:19:10
Hobbes
Yes. And so it's it's nice, A, that they are ah wreck represented in the card game. um But also we we just now have a card in Magic called Supportive Parents.
00:19:24
Taya
All right. Well, I want to talk about imposter syndrome because this is another one of the meme cards we were talking about. It has the Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man meme.
00:19:32
Hobbes
Uh-huh.
00:19:36
Taya
But I don't care about that. I like it because I like things that make copies of creatures. And this is a six-man enchantment that says whenever a non-token creature you control deals common damage to a player, create a token that's a copy of it, except it isn't legendary.
00:19:52
Taya
Uh, so, I haven't updated my Riku deck in a while, but I definitely want to get this into Riku. Um,
00:20:00
Hobbes
yeah that's that's great for riku yeah and i love that because then again because it because they it allows you to copy legendary things too which of course you'd have to because the meme is spider-man ah who who is a legendary creature
00:20:03
Taya
yeah. Yep.
00:20:10
Taya
Or 37 of
00:20:19
Taya
or
00:20:19
Hobbes
yeah
00:20:19
Taya
thirty-seven of them ah
00:20:20
Hobbes
or yeah 37 different legendary creatures yeah that's that's fun um
00:20:23
Taya
just
00:20:29
Taya
and just uh i i've kind of uh a bum they used imposter syndrome for the internal name because they had to give it a different name or the uh the spider-man name because they had to give it different name for the universe within uh set um what is the
00:20:44
Hobbes
Oh.
00:20:47
Taya
um Through the Omen Pass version. Oh, they just called it Imposter Syndrome. So they didn't rename this one for the Through the Omen Pass. the Some of the generic names they did get to keep the same.
00:20:57
Hobbes
Okay, that's cool.
00:20:59
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:20:59
Taya
um
00:21:01
Hobbes
I want to talk about something that made me roll my eyes. In a mostly good way, but I just like really got a little on the nose with the mechanic and...
00:21:12
Hobbes
sort of the flavor so this is all the all the way down in the lands this is the daily bugle building it's a land that taps for colorless or you can ah it also has one tap add a man of any color and it has a smear campaign one tap target legendary creature gains a menace until end of turn activate only as a sorcery
00:21:18
Taya
Oh yeah.
00:21:34
Hobbes
the The joke here being that the person who owns this newspaper calls Spider-Man a menace regularly. And so they decided to take that sort of tag that he's using to to try to you know besmirch Spider-Man.
00:21:43
Taya
Yep.
00:21:54
Hobbes
And it happens to be a mechanic in magic. So then they just give the mechanic. So it's like you can...
00:21:57
Taya
Yeah, I was expecting that to be on J. Jonah Jamison's card that gives something menace, but when they put it on the land, I thought that was cute.
00:22:03
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:22:07
Hobbes
Yeah, yeah i like I like that.
00:22:08
Taya
ah
00:22:09
Hobbes
And it's like you have to tap it. So it's like that you have to, the the newspaper has to like work and put out a new issue in order to give someone menace.
00:22:11
Taya
Yeah.
00:22:16
Taya
Yeah. And the character card does give, um it gives a form of menace. It gives ah it suspects a creature with does give it menace ah and can't block.
00:22:27
Hobbes
Yep.
00:22:27
Taya
And then it cares about creatures with menace attacking. So that they did they did flavor it to work well with J. Jonah Jamison as well.
00:22:36
Hobbes
Yeah, and I guess but but that was one I was going to talk about at some point too. I think mechanically he's really interesting. We'll both to suspect, give a creature menace, plays with the giving creature tokens.
00:22:50
Hobbes
But from a flavor standpoint, like the whole point, is one of the few like things that I know and in the Spider-Man is that he, he, well, Peter Parker works for J. Jonah Jameson.
00:23:03
Taya
Yeah.
00:23:03
Hobbes
And so the, whenever your creature you control with menace attacks, so J. Jonah Jameson is giving Spider-Man menace. Spider-Man then when he's attacking, when he's in combat, he's getting, Peter Parker's getting pictures that he then gives to J. Jonah Jameson to put in the newspaper.
00:23:18
Hobbes
And so it it kind of, it really flavorfully hits that sort of relationship
00:23:19
Taya
mean
00:23:22
Taya
Yeah, then you get the treasure for, okay.
00:23:25
Hobbes
Yep, you get the treasure, which is him giving him a paycheck for getting pictures of Spider-Man.
00:23:28
Taya
Yeah.
00:23:30
Hobbes
It's, I don't know, it's a fun little reference there.
Art and Character Design Appreciation
00:23:37
Taya
Yeah, and the the art even has menace in the art.
00:23:40
Hobbes
Oh, yeah, it does.
00:23:43
Taya
Yeah.
00:23:43
Hobbes
Oh, that's awesome.
00:23:45
Taya
um
00:23:47
Taya
So, ah you know what? I just realized we are ah ways into this episode. We totally skipped over our question for the week.
00:23:56
Hobbes
but we We talked about the... Wasn't that the question?
00:24:00
Taya
No, we were going to do which was our favorite Spider-Verse character.
00:24:04
Hobbes
Oh, okay. I misunderstood what we were doing. I thought we were going to talk about the comic book cards. Okay, sorry.
00:24:12
Taya
Oh,
00:24:12
Hobbes
You go ahead and then I'll...
00:24:14
Taya
oh so, you know, like I said, i've mostly I mostly know the Spider-Verse characters from the movies, not the comics, but, ah you know, i I'm a really big fan of Spider-Punk, just to look. The the two card arts are both fantastic. um I need one for my Imidane deck ah for the ability to make damage unpreventable and uncounterable, but
00:24:42
Hobbes
pep
00:24:42
Taya
ah I just like the design the character design a lot, even though I don't really know much else about that version of Spidey. ah so He was in the last movie, but he wasn't really featured.
00:24:56
Hobbes
Yeah. No, that's a really cool one. I guess for me, a for from a card standpoint, it's it's probably the dual face Gwen Stacy Ghost Spider card.
00:25:12
Hobbes
Because that's that's one that I think we talked, as you mentioned, ah some number of episodes ago. And when these were revealed before the whole set was revealed, um I talked about this card because it's one that just mechanically is interesting to me to build like a deck around.
00:25:28
Hobbes
So this has so when the the front face, the the cheaper um one in a red Gwen Stacy has.
00:25:28
Taya
Yeah.
00:25:35
Hobbes
When Gwen Stacy enters exile the top card of your library, you can play that card for as long as you control this creature. The back face has flying vigilance and haste. And also whenever you play a land from exile or cast a spell from exile, put a plus one plus one counter on ghost spider.
00:25:51
Hobbes
um Also has the interesting, like remove two counters from ghost spider, exile the top card of your library and you can play that card. So it really kind of feeds on itself. And that's the thing that red impulse draw sort of that exile cards and then you can cast them has never really interested me, but this is a card that,
00:26:06
Taya
Mm-hmm.
00:26:08
Taya
Yeah. It also plays really well with Cascade.
00:26:11
Hobbes
builds off of it oh yes yes
00:26:16
Taya
And not that there's a lot... there There is some in red, but not the other two colors, but it also plays good with Madness.
00:26:23
Hobbes
yeah you're not wrong that's awesome so yeah those this is a card that would i think It could get me to play more of that mechanic.
00:26:34
Hobbes
i this And so that that would definitely be my pick for a card from one of the Spider-Verse characters.
00:26:35
Taya
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:41
Taya
Yeah. Yeah. Ghost Spider's just really cool, too.
00:26:45
Hobbes
Yeah, there's some really good design for different archiver as well. I don't see all of them. There's some really cool Miles cards too.
00:26:52
Taya
Yeah. um that They had good source art to work off of for the Spider-Verse characters.
00:26:58
Hobbes
Yeah, like um Spider-Man Brooklyn Visionary is one I noted.
00:27:03
Taya
Yeah.
00:27:03
Hobbes
Just the art style there is is much richer color. Like it's a little less realistic than most of the art in these. it's It's because is at least what I know of spiderman of of Miles from the Spider-Verse movies, he's a you know an artist. He likes to do...
00:27:23
Hobbes
And so this looks like sort of this looks closer to his art in the art, like the city behind him, as opposed to, again, the slightly more realistic-looking cityscapes we see in most of the other cards in this set.
00:27:37
Hobbes
So i really like that like that one card having a very different art style from the rest of the set.
00:27:45
Taya
All right. um
00:27:48
Taya
Let's see here.
Urban Design Philosophy of Basic Lands
00:27:50
Taya
I don't remember whose turn it was, but um I guess I'll talk about the, they're just, well, one's a common. What's the other one?
00:28:00
Taya
um
00:28:02
Taya
ah Two comments. the The two cat ones. Venomized Cat and Masked Me Hour are just...
00:28:07
Hobbes
Yes.
00:28:08
Taya
ah I wasn't aware that they had a spider cat and a venom cat in the comics. Maybe I should have been because they have a venom everything.
00:28:17
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:28:17
Taya
But I love these two cards.
00:28:21
Hobbes
Yes.
00:28:22
Taya
Uh...
00:28:23
Taya
you know The venomized cat is just this adorable little monster-looking thing that's got a um mouse trapped in its tendrils. And the flavor text is, New York City's rat problem disappeared overnight.
00:28:34
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:28:40
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:28:42
Taya
Okay.
00:28:43
Hobbes
so That's fun.
00:28:45
Taya
Yeah, I don't know if this is, you know, I'm not really a popper player, but something that, you know, ETBs, Mills 2, and has Death Touch, I could see that being played in proper graveyard strategies.
00:28:57
Taya
um
00:28:58
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:28:58
Taya
Popper Commander, at least. Yeah, I don't think it's good enough for regular popper, but it it's like something that wouldd be pretty cool in Popper Commander.
00:29:07
Hobbes
Yeah. and the the the The other one I mentioned too, Mask Meowr, also has some fun flavor text.
00:29:12
Taya
Yep.
00:29:13
Hobbes
for you have ah You have a cat in a spider outfit and like web too. So apparently like full on spider cat. um And the flavor text is neither criminals nor veterinarians had much luck to pinning down the uncatchable spider cat.
00:29:29
Taya
Yeah.
00:29:31
Hobbes
there There was like one of the other only other sources of Spider-Man that I have understanding of is the recent Insomniac games. um They've done well Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2 and then they did a Miles Morales in between them.
00:29:46
Hobbes
So I played all of those and I think in Miles and maybe Spider-Man 2? Definitely Miles. There's an outfit you can wear that has a spider cat.
00:29:57
Hobbes
So like one of the side quests is there's a cat that just is what a bodega cat that the the owner like named Spider-Man after a Spider-Man.
00:30:05
Taya
Yeah.
00:30:06
Hobbes
But then the cat keeps like getting lost and you have to keep finding him. And then if you do that, you unlock this costume where you have a backpack with the cat in the backpack with a Spider-Man hat on. And he'll just like poke out his head and like bat at people every so often.
00:30:21
Hobbes
And it's awesome.
00:30:21
Taya
yeah
00:30:24
Hobbes
So.
00:30:25
Taya
That's cool. All right.
00:30:26
Hobbes
All right.
00:30:26
Taya
The next card I want to talk about is Spider-Verse, which is a a three red red enchantment.
00:30:29
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:30:31
Taya
a Legend rule doesn't apply to spiders you control. um That's interesting. Whenever you cast a spell from anywhere other than your hand, you may copy it. If you do, you may choose new targets for the copy.
00:30:42
Taya
If the copy is a permanent spell, it gains haste. Do this only one each turn. And I really like this mechanical flavor that it's like calling in help from across the the multiverse. So not from your hand, it's got to be coming from somewhere else.
00:30:55
Hobbes
oh Yeah, that's cool.
00:30:58
Taya
Yeah.
00:30:59
Hobbes
That's a lot of fun. um So just real real random, I want to want to talk about the basic lens from this set and not the full art ones.
00:31:10
Taya
Oh, the regular lands.
00:31:11
Hobbes
the regular lands um so this i find fascinating i love this idea a they're just they're cool cityscapes but i love this idea and and i think ravnica is one of the really first places where they really really worked at this maybe mirrored in a little bit too but like trying to find landscapes or places that fit sort of the vibes in essence, the spirit, the ideals of these land types without being literally those land types.
00:31:42
Taya
Yeah.
00:31:44
Taya
Yeah.
00:31:44
Hobbes
see So you have like the plains is just little bit of like maybe the suburbs, some houses and and some some trees in front of them, and just like a little neighborhood street.
00:31:56
Hobbes
Then the island is like the river and the bridge. You have the swamp being like the alleys and you know the dumpsters and the trash cans. The mountain being, i think this is more of ah like this financial district.
00:32:07
Hobbes
These are a lot of skyscrapers in the morning with some mist coming
00:32:08
Taya
yeah
00:32:11
Hobbes
And then the forest being just a part of the city that has some greenery. And so you see a bunch of trees, even though there's a couple of cars and some houses or buildings on the side. But I just, I love that.
00:32:22
Hobbes
And then there's a spider person swinging or climbing a building in all five arts, which is also cool.
00:32:25
Taya
Mm-hmm.
00:32:29
Hobbes
But I love that flavor of trying to capture what is in this particular environment, like New York City, what is the s equivalent of a swamp? What is the equivalent of a forest?
00:32:42
Hobbes
and capturing that. That's, for me, whenever we go to a set that isn't a conventional, like, entire planet where you have a little more biodiversity, it's always interesting to me to, like, where do they capture this? So, they I mean, we had this recent thing in the sci-fi set where we're in outer space. Like, what's a plane in outer space?
00:33:02
Taya
who
00:33:03
Hobbes
So that that always interests me. And I thought I did some cool stuff with this one, with this set.
00:33:10
Taya
Yeah. um All right, the next card I'm going to talk about is a Multiversal Passage.
Multiversal Passage and Deck Building
00:33:16
Taya
I guess I'm on a multiverse kick with the cards I've been discussing, but ah this is, I just talked about this one purely because of the mechanics. It is a shock land that enters as a chosen basic land type. So you only get one color out of it, but it has the pay to life where it enters tapped clause on it.
00:33:35
Taya
um
00:33:35
Hobbes
yeah
00:33:35
Taya
So we you now have a a basically a modal shock land,
00:33:42
Hobbes
That can be any type you want, but then it's set there.
00:33:46
Taya
Yeah.
00:33:47
Hobbes
Yeah, that that is interesting.
00:33:51
Taya
Yeah. I just thought that was a pretty cool design on that.
00:33:51
Hobbes
ah
00:33:54
Taya
Yeah.
00:33:55
Hobbes
Yeah, that that is a cool a cool design to to do fixing in ah in a different way. um sort of along that lines and not necessarily fixing it a different way. But I thought vibrant cityscape was interesting because this is up there for one of my favorite pieces of art in this set. That vibrant is a good word for it. I think that's gorgeous. But um this is kind of, not even kind of, this is basically our third evolving wilds now.
00:34:22
Taya
Yeah, Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse, this is the exact same thing.
00:34:23
Hobbes
It's just...
00:34:26
Hobbes
Yep, the exact same mechanic, but now there is three if you ever wanted to run a third of those, which is...
00:34:31
Taya
Yeah, if you like building budget um Commander decks, you have ah another option for a Fetchland.
00:34:31
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:34:38
Hobbes
Yep.
00:34:39
Hobbes
It's also nice for for newer players to have access to this type of effect. I wonder if they tried, ah looked at the other two and just decided that they couldn't flavorfully make those names fit in Spider-Man, so they just made a new one.
00:34:55
Taya
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:34:58
Taya
All right. Um, let's see here.
Hybrid Mana Cards and Comic Sound Effects
00:35:02
Taya
There's, uh,
00:35:05
Taya
I guess I'll talk about the cycle of, uh, or I, I guess it's not really a cycle, but there's just, um, several cards that have hybrid mana in this set.
00:35:14
Hobbes
Oh yeah.
00:35:15
Taya
And I guess they've just made hybrid mana evergreen at this point, or maybe do justice where they it can show up in any set. Um, Because it's been showing up somewhat regularly over the last couple of years. It used to be ah pretty rare thing to see on cards.
00:35:34
Hobbes
It was kind of like a specific set would use it a bunch or it wouldn't show up at all.
00:35:39
Taya
Mm-hmm.
00:35:42
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:35:42
Taya
Uh... And i'll I'll talk about the first one ah that that's just I have in front of me, which is Ultimate Green Goblin. It's one in a Rakdos Rakdos either choice ah for a 5-4. So three mana, pretty nice.
00:36:00
Taya
um At the beginning your upkeep, you have to discard a card, then create a treasure token. ah So it does have ah has a drawback of... ah you know, you have to discard a card, but you do get a treasure token from it.
00:36:13
Taya
um But it also has Mayhem ah for two and Aractus, which we haven't talked about yet.
00:36:14
Hobbes
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:36:19
Taya
um Mayhem is a new version of Madness.
00:36:22
Hobbes
yeah
00:36:23
Taya
ah except it you have to follow the timing rules. So Madness, when you you use Madness on a card, you could, um but if you discarded it, you could cast it for its Madness cost, and it let you cast it at any time. So if it was a creature, you still could cast it at instant speed if you discard it.
00:36:40
Taya
um Mayhem gives the ability to the card in the graveyard, essentially, which lets you cast it for its Mayhem card that turn if you discarded it.
00:36:50
Taya
um But the timing rules still apply. So in this case, it's a creature. So if I discarded it on an opponent's turn, I would never get a chance to play it from the graveyard.
00:36:59
Hobbes
yeah
00:36:59
Taya
um I'd have to do it during my main phase. Yeah,
00:37:02
Hobbes
yeah and unless you had some would would would that would let you okay that yeah because this doesn't rule it out it just says timing rules apply and that would change the timing rules okay that's that's interesting though i i had a badness deck a very long time ago and that's interesting i might have to think about
00:37:05
Taya
yeah unless you have a Vidal Conorri or Leyland of Anticipation or...
00:37:12
Taya
Yeah.
00:37:22
Taya
Yeah. I liked the Madness pre-con from the 2019 Commander decks, I think. um
00:37:28
Hobbes
I think I missed that that was a thing.
00:37:30
Taya
Yeah, it was Raktos. Anjay Falconrath, Raktos Madness pre-con. Yeah.
00:37:36
Hobbes
OK, cool.
00:37:42
Hobbes
right Yeah, that's cool. yeah and And you're right. like At first, when I see like a couple of hybrid cards, i just assume, oh, maybe there's one of each color. But there isn't. There's a bunch of color pairs that are missing, I think. There's multiples of some.
00:37:53
Hobbes
This is definitely not. The hybrid isn't balanced. I wonder if they're just
00:37:56
Taya
No, there's a lot of Azorius ones in the set. There's three Azorius ones.
00:38:00
Hobbes
Yeah. and And three Selesnya as well.
00:38:06
Taya
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:07
Hobbes
So yeah, it's it's it's like spider hero focused for the most part. There isn't too many on the villain side.
00:38:15
Taya
Yeah.
00:38:15
Hobbes
It's interesting.
00:38:18
Hobbes
OK, cool. So want to introduce a ah vocab word today. I mentioned before we started recording that I might have a vocab word. So we have three cards. and At first, I thought this was going to be a cycle, but there it isn't. There's there's three cards in the set, as far as I could tell, um across three colors.
00:38:38
Hobbes
um that are onomatopoeia names and so that means like a word that is representing a sound where it's supposed to be the name or that word is the sound itself so it's like the word meow is an onomatopoeia for this sound that a cat makes
00:38:42
Taya
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:38:46
Taya
yeah
00:38:56
Hobbes
And so we have Thwip in white. We have Woosh in blue and Kapow in green. And A, this is another one of those like interesting name things because you could never have a have a name a card named Thwip in any other set.
00:39:12
Taya
yeah
00:39:12
Hobbes
um But it also fits like the comic book feel of it. I don't know how much the old comic books put those words on the page. I think they did. I know that was a...
00:39:23
Taya
oh yeah they use those a lot in old comic books and um
00:39:28
Hobbes
And so, yeah, it's just.
00:39:30
Taya
they still do a lot of it in manga ah
00:39:34
Hobbes
oh True. So, yeah, it it just I think that's a cool thing. And I just wanted to call out those and also take the opportunity to to use the word onomatopoeia, a word that I have.
00:39:45
Taya
it's a good word yeah um all right uh
00:39:46
Hobbes
yeah I very rarely get a chance to use in conversation.
00:39:57
Taya
So I'm going to talk about another common because I like doing that in these episodes, which is, uh, spider Rex daring dino, which is for a green green for a six, six reach trample ward to legendary. So this thing just made, um, uh, you know, our old friend, uh, no, no, it's the, I'm blanking the mind, the, the din is a six, six dinosaur,
00:40:26
Hobbes
Man, I know what you're talking about. at The meme, and I can't remember what it's called.
00:40:29
Taya
Yeah, it's totally slipping my mind.
00:40:30
Hobbes
It's the one that showed up in so many sets.
00:40:32
Taya
Yep. But yeah, now it has Reach and Ward 2 for the same price.
00:40:39
Taya
ah
00:40:39
Hobbes
that That's really for me.
00:40:40
Taya
But ah yeah, so it's just a ah ah yeah strictly better ah common dinosaur. This is what you get for six mana nowadays on a limited card.
00:40:53
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:40:55
Hobbes
That's just incredible. six Three keywords, one of which is ward. It just kind of annoys me. that That particular keyword.
00:41:07
Taya
Yeah.
00:41:07
Hobbes
maybe Spider-Punk's
00:41:08
Taya
Hey, another thing Spider-Punk shuts off.
00:41:11
Hobbes
got point. maybe spiderpruks got a point
00:41:17
Taya
Yeah.
00:41:18
Hobbes
All right. um so I want to talk about secret secret identity. This is one I think we we got to talk about. from a weird flavor standpoint.
00:41:30
Hobbes
So A, I just think the card is interesting. Again, it's it's a good name. Like, it fits the set. um I always love modal spells, so this is blue for an instant with choose one, ah conceal until the end of next, until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a citizen with base power and toughness 1-1 and gains hexproof or reveal until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a hero with base power, toughness 3-4 and gains flying and vigilance.
00:41:56
Hobbes
So it's an interesting...
00:41:56
Taya
That dinosaur's name was Colossal Dreadmaw, by the way. i don't know why I was blinking on it so hard.
00:41:59
Hobbes
Of course! Oh, yes, Colossal Dreadmaw. Thank you for looking that up. I tried looking it up and I couldn't find it.
00:42:07
Taya
No, I thought that was it, and I just, like oh yeah, that's it. I just, it totally slipped my mind.
00:42:14
Hobbes
Yep. But yeah, so...
00:42:16
Taya
ah Sorry for interrupting you.
00:42:17
Hobbes
No, no, you're good. Thank you for for for filling that in because it was going to bug me what that card was. um But yeah, so Secret Identity, I think A is just interesting mechanically. I think that that is you've you've got it protects your creature by giving them hexproof or it's a combat trick that kind of makes them bigger and better with flying and vigilance potentially.
00:42:40
Hobbes
There's a lot of ah lot of play you can kind of have with this card defensively and offensively. um But i what I really want to talk about is the art.
00:42:50
Taya
Yeah, that's what I figured you bringing this one up for.
00:42:53
Hobbes
Because the the art is by RK Post. And it's I think it's a cool art piece, but I don't know that it's going to click for most people who have not played Magic for a long, long time.
00:43:07
Taya
who
00:43:08
Hobbes
Because RK Post did a card called Unmask. And God, when was that? Tempest? Tempest?
00:43:16
Taya
Yeah, that's really old card.
00:43:17
Hobbes
i a long time ago. Markadian Mask, so not quite as long, but still 99. Yeah,
00:43:25
Taya
Yeah, still ah still in last century.
00:43:27
Hobbes
yeah last, so yeah, Archeapos did the art for a card last century um that was this very same sort of setup with the character centered with this mask sort of on half of the mask on either side of the the character's face um for other events there where the main villain was masquerading as, as one of the, as a friend of the, the main characters at the story at the time.
00:43:55
Hobbes
um Also just as a random aside mask probably would have been a name of a card in this set. If it did fit this set, like that feels super flavorful for a superhero set, but just happened to be for something else.
00:44:02
Taya
Yeah. who
00:44:10
Hobbes
Again, those one word names kind of just get used up and then you're stuck with whatever they got used for, which is why we don't get a lot of them anymore, unless they're weird things like whoosh.
00:44:21
Taya
Yeah.
00:44:21
Hobbes
But yeah, so Secret Identity is ah is a fun, of there's a fun nod back to a piece of Magic's history that has nothing to do with Spider-Man or or this set.
00:44:32
Taya
Yeah, when I saw that art previewed, I immediately, I didn't even have to look down at the artist credit to know that that was RK Post.
00:44:37
Hobbes
yeah Yeah.
00:44:42
Taya
Yeah.
00:44:42
Hobbes
ah and just I just love that. it's That's so cool.
00:44:45
Taya
Unmask is just such a iconic card art from that era.
00:44:50
Hobbes
Oh, my god.
00:44:50
Taya
It was just amazing.
00:44:53
Hobbes
Yes, it it it is. And does he, does RK Post do a lot of art these days? I know he's at a lot of events.
00:45:00
Taya
No, he does he doesn't have a lot of cards recently.
00:45:01
Hobbes
But
00:45:04
Taya
Yeah.
00:45:05
Hobbes
that's what I was thinking. So it's pretty cool that they they got him to do this.
Secret Identity and Magic History
00:45:10
Taya
yeah
00:45:10
Hobbes
made made sure to have him to this art as a fun little nod to, you know, magic nerds who've been playing the game for the long term.
00:45:11
Taya
ah
00:45:17
Taya
He had, yeah, he had one in Aether Drift, um one for the 2023 North America Legacy Championship, and then some for Commander Master.
00:45:29
Taya
So, yeah, he hasn't done a lot of art recently.
00:45:30
Hobbes
Wow.
00:45:33
Taya
um
00:45:35
Hobbes
Yeah, he used to do a lot more.
00:45:36
Taya
He's done 10 arts in, like, the last five years.
00:45:40
Hobbes
um Okay. Yeah, I mean, and just a quick rifle search.
00:45:44
Taya
I guess it's nine because one of those is a, one of those is an art card. So yeah, nine arts in the last five years.
00:45:49
Hobbes
Okay.
00:45:51
Taya
um
00:45:52
Hobbes
Yeah, that's that's cool that they made sure to get him for that then.
00:45:55
Taya
Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was really cool that he got it.
00:46:01
Taya
All right. Well, I think I've got one more, if I can bring it back up since I had went looked at RK post art all of a sudden. ah And that would be I am
Soul Stone and Future Marvel Cycles
00:46:15
Taya
lost.
00:46:15
Taya
I am sorry. The Soul Stone.
00:46:17
Hobbes
No, that's fine.
00:46:17
Taya
Yes, obviously. We talked about this again. This was one of the first cards previewed for the set. ah It's a one and a black for an indestructible mana rock that taps for black. So already better than most two mana mana rocks since it's indestructible.
00:46:35
Hobbes
OK. Mm-hmm.
00:46:36
Taya
And then you can also play six and a black and exile creature you control to harness the soul stone, which is ah just kind of a cute, you know, a memory ability. And if you've harnessed it at the beginning of your upkeep returning creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
00:46:51
Taya
So you just have to activate that ability once and then it turns on the last ability of the card.
00:46:51
Hobbes
Yep.
00:46:55
Taya
But the main thing I'm bringing up is this is going to be a cycle over however many marble sets they're doing in the future. um
00:47:02
Hobbes
Yep.
00:47:04
Taya
So I'm assuming we get one for each color and then one that probably taps for colorless or, um, or you have to pay an additional cost and get one of any color, depending on how they do the last one.
00:47:18
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:47:18
Taya
Um, But yeah, I just think this is a really powerful card. And um I think it shows based on the the pre-order prices are kind of obscene for this card, but it's like I would play this in every black commander deck.
00:47:36
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:47:36
Taya
um But I'm not paying 70, you know, oh it's even worse now. Lowest price on TCG player right now is $94.00.
00:47:46
Hobbes
ah
00:47:48
Taya
Yeah. ah After a bunch sold earlier today the 70 to 80 range, now the cheapest listing is $94. Nope, just the one.
00:47:59
Hobbes
yeah Yikes.
00:48:02
Hobbes
Yeah, that's but that's a thing. i Honestly, I had seen that preview, did not realize there weren't other stones in this set. of course
00:48:11
Taya
nope
00:48:12
Hobbes
Of course, it's just one.
00:48:12
Taya
just the one
00:48:14
Hobbes
yeah
00:48:15
Taya
It's got some amazing Vulcan Baga art as well.
00:48:15
Hobbes
well.
00:48:19
Taya
ah
00:48:19
Hobbes
It does. That is...
00:48:21
Taya
The alternate arts for this card are also very sweet, but the I really like the the base art for it.
00:48:28
Hobbes
Oh, yeah, you're right. That's probably probably my favorite. The other ones are cool, but I think the base art is probably my favorite.
00:48:34
Taya
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:37
Taya
Yeah, the the gold textless one is like the chase card for this set. That's the you know the gold Chocobo of the set.
00:48:46
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:48:46
Taya
um That'll be multi-thousand dollars for anyone who opens one. Probably.
00:48:53
Hobbes
Yeah. Okay. Well, to continue from that, I'll i'll get i'll do yourself a thousand.
00:48:58
Taya
Geez, the Thanos one is even $1,000.
00:49:00
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:49:01
Taya
There's no price on the Gold Border one. But yeah, the Thanos one is $1,000
00:49:04
Hobbes
Yeah. yeahs
Future Marvel Sets and Character Possibilities
00:49:07
Taya
now.
00:49:09
Hobbes
Yeah. So that that gold one probably likes a multi-thousand. That's a lot. But... um
00:49:17
Hobbes
my My last card, I think it like fits well from that. um I want to talk about another comment. This kind of just what, I don't know, what ah what it interests me for these. um ah Taxi Driver.
00:49:34
Taya
Yeah.
00:49:35
Hobbes
i I love this card. It's just one and a red for a three one for a human pilot. It has one and a one and tap target creature gains hasten to lend him turn.
00:49:46
Hobbes
i just and then it's just the art of Spider-Man on the top of a taxi and then the taxi driver yelling out the window. And then the flavor text is I got two speeds buddy fast and off duty.
00:49:56
Taya
Yeah.
00:49:56
Hobbes
I just, I love that. Just again, the mechanics of, you know, what type of person gives another creature haste?
00:49:58
Taya
yeah
00:50:04
Hobbes
Well, a taxi driver certainly does that.
00:50:06
Taya
Yeah. ah Yeah, that's ah that was a pretty that's another card you're only going to get in a set like this.
00:50:13
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:50:14
Taya
So, like I said, Spider-Man isn't my favorite Marvel property. I'm interested to see what Marvel stuff comes out in the future. i would love for some X-Men stuff. I mean, I named my kid Xavier, if that shows how much I like the X-Men.
00:50:26
Taya
ah So, I'm really hoping for some in that. Yeah. that part of the story, but there's there's a lot of potential.
00:50:33
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:50:37
Taya
We've only got one Soul Stone, which means that there are so many more Marvel sets coming in the future.
00:50:43
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:50:44
Taya
ah One of the ah Infinity Stones, we've got five more to go.
00:50:50
Hobbes
Yeah. so And they have announced specifically that they're doing more Marvel sets, right? like
00:50:55
Taya
or four more to go, I guess. There's five on the gauntlet. Yeah, I'm not, okay.
00:50:59
Hobbes
Five?
00:51:00
Taya
um What was that you said?
00:51:02
Hobbes
It's perfect. that's um i They did specifically say they're doing another Marvel set, right?
00:51:07
Taya
Oh, they are doing a theyve they have not announced what the next one is yet, but they have said they are doing a series of Marvel sets.
00:51:07
Hobbes
like Okay, well, there we go.
00:51:14
Taya
That was part of the initial announcement. Yeah.
00:51:17
Hobbes
Likely five then, at least five.
00:51:19
Taya
Yeah.
00:51:20
Hobbes
Okay, yeah, i am I am struggling to remember some of this. as It's cool. I really am really glad for some of this. like the You and I were both really excited about the Final Fantasy sets recently, and we did some fun episodes talking about that.
00:51:35
Taya
Yeah, and I do want to address something related to that.
00:51:36
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:51:38
Taya
There's been a lot of negativity about this set.
00:51:38
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:51:40
Taya
and um And just like to the point of outright, you know a lot of people are just like, oh, I hate it. It's the worst set ever. like First, you've never seen Homelands, if you can even say that.
00:51:52
Hobbes
Yeah.
00:51:52
Taya
But um you know it does look like they cut some corners.
Community Reactions and Encouragement
00:51:57
Taya
And I've heard stories that the this was originally another small set like um assassin's creed and then when they announced that they were all going to be in standard they bumped it up to it's still a small set it's only 180 something cards um which is like 70 cards less than your average set size uh yeah 189 cards not counting basic lands
00:52:26
Hobbes
Mm-hmm.
00:52:27
Taya
um or 88 cards so yeah this is a this is still a small set but you know what what the story is is that it was going to be one of the really small sets like uh assassin's creed was and they kind of uh they had to change everything up once it became a standard set um So there are a lot of cards here that just aren't super interesting or just kind of like reskins of, you know, functional reprint reskins and stuff.
00:52:57
Taya
I get it. I get some of the complaints, but the amount of negativity that people have had for the set and really anybody who even says they like the set, you know, it is kind of getting trashed.
00:52:58
Hobbes
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:53:08
Taya
it's It's not cool, you know. i I have posted on Blue Sky that I'm very meh about this set. I personally don't really care one way or the other. There's a few cards I'm going to pick up for Commander, but, you know, I don't... ah The set itself is not a big deal to me, but the amount of hate that it's getting and, you know, just let people enjoy things.
00:53:34
Hobbes
Yeah, yeah, exactly. just just Just let people enjoy stuff. And like that's part why we want to talk about it. There's some cool stuff in there, even even if this isn't a big set for you. and ugly we've On the show, we've we've hit universes beyond.
00:53:49
Hobbes
We've kind of just decided that we can't cover all of them because there's things that we really, like the Assassin's Creed set was one that we just wouldn't have had anything to say about.
00:53:56
Taya
Yeah.
Future Spider-Man Topics with Hobbs
00:53:57
Hobbes
And this set, you know, we had less to say about the property itself, but there we knew enough and there were still other things that we could talk about that it felt like we could have a good episode. And this was this was a fun conversation.
00:54:08
Hobbes
um But even for the ones, you know, that we're not covering, like, just let people enjoy stuff. If it's something that they enjoy, and don't know.
00:54:16
Taya
Yeah. It's like, would I have liked SpongeBob cards to be in Magic?
00:54:16
Hobbes
That just frustrates me.
00:54:20
Taya
No. Are there SpongeBob cards? Yes. It's like, does it make the game any worse? No.
00:54:26
Hobbes
yeah
00:54:27
Taya
You know, it makes me feel worse if somebody's SpongeBob counterspells me, but, you know.
00:54:31
Hobbes
yeah
00:54:34
Hobbes
yeah fair but yeah so all right well i think we're gonna end it there um Yeah, well'll see we'll see where we go from here. We'll probably go back to some old sets at some point.
00:54:48
Hobbes
think there's probably a little more Spider-Man conversation. We'll see what Hobbs wants to do because he is much more Spider-Man-y, so we may revisit this in a little bit when um when he decides he wants to ah come back and do some recording again.
00:55:02
Hobbes
um But yeah.
00:55:02
Taya
Yeah, yeah. oh