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Christians In Politics, AI, & The Fight for Education
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Ridley Barron and Dan Sanchez discussed the growing intersection of politics and religion, focusing particularly on the responsibilities of Christians in an evolving socio-political climate. They touched upon the controversial remarks made by Russell Moore concerning Christian engagement in politics and addressed the complications arising from governmental actions that seem to target Christian beliefs directly. The sermon provided a stark outlook on the rising impact politics has on religious freedom while urging believers to be vigilant and proactive, especially in regards to issues like the categorization of scripture as hate speech in Canada. Moreover, the dialogue examined the rapid advancements in AI technology and its profound effects across various sectors, emphasizing the importance of discernment and the potential consequences of dependency on government assistance.
Timestamps:
00:00 Founding documents referenced God, Christian told stay out.
05:33 Insights on social change and religious discrimination.
06:45 News anchor criticizes Christian authority; constitution debate.
09:34 Register to vote, use your voice, accountability.
16:00 Stay wise, avoid government traps, encourage local control.
18:25 Government's role in protecting people, law enforcement.
20:02 Article about glitch in Microsoft AI circulates.
24:35 Rapid technology advancement impacts various business sectors.
28:31 Podcast offers insights on changing world dynamics.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Format
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back to the Grove Hill Church podcast. Today, I'm here with Ridley Barron, and we're going to do something a little bit different. Instead of just talking about and pulling out some finer points from the sermon, since we had a bunch of different things go on with our Sunday morning sermon time and testimonies were shared. It was wonderful, different testimonies, different times. There's a lot we can react to there,
00:00:22
Speaker
but instead I want to experiment and try something else and I'd love to hear from you if you're listening to this to get some feedback on it.
Politics and Faith: Should Christians Engage?
00:00:29
Speaker
I know Ridley you've mentioned that some congregation members have told you that some of the news that you share even from the pulpit is like the very little news that they hear about. So we've been talking for a few months about experimenting with a medium where we kind of bring up some headlines between Ridley and I and then we kind of get the perspective on it and talk about why it's relevant
00:00:49
Speaker
to Christians. But while it's relevant to our congregation here at Grove Hill, to kick it off, I know there has been a lot of noise within Christianity recently from Russell Moore talking about how Christians shouldn't engage in politics. And he's the editor, I believe, of Christianity Today.
00:01:13
Speaker
Yes. And has been proclaiming like Christians should stay out of it, that we should be focused on our own things, that this is an arena where Christians don't belong. I think he put out a documentary and has been certainly making a podcast towards social media rounds on this thing. What's been your overall reaction to it? Obviously very, very disappointed.
00:01:35
Speaker
I have a love for Christianity and a very deep love for history, especially American history. And it's how it relates, how the two actually intertwine. One of the things that were established early on in this country is that this was a nation, make no mistake about it. It's not a Christian nation. Nations aren't Christian, people are, but it is definitely a nation built on Christian principles, on the idea that there is a God, a creator who endowed us with rights.
00:02:01
Speaker
Our founding documents even go so far as to say that the rights that we have are given to us by the God that we recognize is there. Everything, every founding document from the early periods without exception made reference to our dependency on the providential nature of God and those kinds of things.
00:02:20
Speaker
Fast forward 200 plus years later, 240 something years later, we've got a man who says he's a Christian, and I would even question this at this point, but who is trying to tell Christians to stay out of politics or to keep their faith out of politics. So it's very disappointing.
Christian Foundations and Political Challenges
00:02:39
Speaker
I think it's bad information that he's sharing. I think it's a bad perspective he approaches this with because I don't hear him looking at
00:02:50
Speaker
the Jewish person, the Muslim person, and even the atheist person in our government saying, keep your beliefs out of the way you politic. Um, so why is the Christian given that mandate? It's funny when I think of politics, I often think I'm like, well, maybe, but at the same time, even, even if we are supposed to stay out of politics, like how do you do that? Because politics has become increasingly spiritual.
00:03:19
Speaker
Oh, yeah. What are you supposed to do? They're literally talking about every single facet of life well into biblical territory. Yes, absolutely. How is a Christian supposed to handle it? Are we as Christians supposed to get on a smaller and smaller island as we're allowed to talk about certain things? Essentially, it becomes a thing where it's like, okay, so we're just not supposed to say anything. Right.
00:03:47
Speaker
So because anything can be deemed political.
Scripture, Law, and Freedom of Speech
00:03:49
Speaker
Yeah. And we were talking about this just before because it's another article from last week. Canada right now is debating the merits of a new law there that would basically put much of the subject matter of scripture into the category of hate speech, which would be punishable by imprisonment and or fines.
00:04:08
Speaker
So my question for Mr. Moore or anybody who follows his thinking would be, where does a Christian have the permission to fight that battle? If we're not going to be involved in politics, where do I have a platform where myself as a pastor can stand up and say, what I teach on Sunday morning is not hate speech. Instead, it's very much about love and you've got it all wrong. If you can't do that in politics, where is that platform?
00:04:34
Speaker
I remember watching, I used to work for a ministry called T-Mania, which had a big conference called Acquire the Fire. We had this big, and part of Acquire the Fire is this two-day youth conference, super intense, big speakers, bands, pyrotechnics.
00:04:49
Speaker
there was usually some kind of drama they would play. I remember one of those years they had this story drama where it was almost like this futuristic thing where mom and dad were teaching the kids, remember to memorize the word because we're not sure how much longer we're going to have it. I remember thinking that and being like, if that happens, it's going to be way far in the future. Now that I'm 36 and not 16 anymore, I'm like,
00:05:17
Speaker
Whoa. We're starting to enter into this territory now that's like, I'm like, do I need to start teaching my kids that? I mean, I already emphasized like scripture memorization, but it is starting to get a little scary here. Yeah.
00:05:32
Speaker
I'm 56, so a little bit more advanced than you. And just the time of my life, the things I have seen change that like you at age 16, I would have gone, there's no way that will ever happen in this country.
Government Confrontation with Christianity
00:05:43
Speaker
Um, but, uh, even just like 10 years ago, I think it was, um, mayor of Houston coming into Easter had asked for all the pastors in town to send her copies of their sermons so that she could basically approve them. I'm thinking where number one, that's against the constitution.
00:06:00
Speaker
our very document that we base everything off of. But number two, how blatant it was an attack against one particular form of religion in our country by singling out Christians as the ones who needed to get approval from the government. Again, Muslims weren't being talked about. Jews weren't. Buddhists and Hindus weren't being singled out. It was Christian pastors who were asked to give their sermons. And so
00:06:27
Speaker
I think the church has gotten, excuse me, not the church. The government has gotten a little bit more bold and direct in its confrontation with church and Christianity and our culture.
00:06:37
Speaker
the winds are going in their favor, so they're going to keep pushing. There was something that made news, I believe, two weeks ago, was a news anchor who was on a talk show talking about essentially saying the audacity of Christians that think they get their authority, not from man, but from God. A lot of Christians react to that being like, seriously? It says it straight in the Constitution. We went back to the Declaration of Independence. We went to the Constitution. It's like right there.
00:07:08
Speaker
which is what most evangelicals did reacting to that. And the Twitter went crazy with that same kind of sentiment. I had a friend though, who when I was talking to, which kind of challenged it and said like, well, I think he's like, this is the thought narrative he had. He's like, he wonders if it was almost planted to begin the next movement of them saying like exactly it is in the constitution, which is why the constitution needs to be rewritten, which is why it needs to be thrown out.
00:07:38
Speaker
And so I thought about that. I'm like, yeah, that might be the direction we're going and where they're starting to go back and attacking the constitution because it's so obvious when you read the founding documents that it's like highly inspired by the Bible. Yes. Well, and you know, everything about our government, even the way it is laid out is from biblical stuff, biblical sources, the
00:08:04
Speaker
the balance of power, the fact that we have our judicial system and is reflected or is a reflection of what happened with Moses and his father-in-law, Jethro, when Jethro came to visit him and said, Moses, you can't hear the court cases of all these people. There's three million of them. You're going to have to find people under you who can listen to their cases and only bring you the the biggest cases.
Political Engagement and Religious Freedom
00:08:26
Speaker
I mean, you read it right there in the story in the book of Exodus. Well, that's exactly how our judicial system is modeled. Court cases started a lower level. They worked their way through and eventually they come to the Supreme Court based on decisions earlier this week regarding Trump from the Supreme Court. Now the Supreme Court's coming under attack. They want to do away with the Supreme Court or change the format of how judicial system works. And so everything about our, our
00:08:52
Speaker
country is under attack because of its moorings in the scripture one of the things that i find reading reading headlines headlines like this thinking about it and if you if you think about these things and implications the future starts to become a little scary it's something that can certainly fill you with some anxiety some rightly so it's not it's not a bad feeling to feel because you need to be prepared for it but how do you how should
00:09:23
Speaker
our congregation respond to headlines like that, knowing that it's fairly fearful sometimes, even if accurate. So I'm going to start at the very normal, natural place. It becomes absolutely essential that you register to vote and use your vote. Several times over the last, I would say over the last four or five elections, it has come out that if every evangelical Christian had gone and voted their conscience, that the elections would have ended in a drastically different way.
00:09:54
Speaker
So shame on us for not using the freedom we've been given with our votes and our right to suffrage. The other thing that I think you have to do is you have to kind of constantly remind your family that God's ultimately in charge of all of this anyway. He is ultimately the one who will select or will put in charge. Sadly, many times the one who winds up in offices because God's saying, okay,
00:10:22
Speaker
If you're not going to obey me, then I'll let you have what you ask for. The fact that we haven't really paid close attention to our governmental leaders, we haven't held them very accountable. We haven't been active in self-government for the last 40, 50 years is the reason why most of Washington DC has become a place of corruption, a place of look out for number one. Nobody's really cared about the people they were voted to represent.
00:10:50
Speaker
They're just, they're feeding their faces and lining their pockets. So anyway, all that just to say God's ultimately in charge of all that, every single one of them.
Community Support vs. Government Dependency
00:11:00
Speaker
And then I think to me, this is not the case everywhere, but speaking specifically at our church, I take great comfort in knowing that the people around me, we love each other very well. We take care of each other very well. I think we're very self-reliant. And so we have the ability, I think here in our location with our church
00:11:20
Speaker
to adapt and respond to things as we need to. Certainly comforting knowing we're kind of isolated. We're a good drive away from major cities or anything like that, so having some distance certainly helps, slows things down from coming this way. Well, one of the anchors last night, I think it was,
00:11:43
Speaker
I can't remember if it was CNN or MSNBC. It was one of the two literally said that rural white Americans would be the end of democracy. So we're the problem. Well, who's democracy, right? It's like, yeah, exactly. And they're going to start attacking the constitution, but they're inconsistent. So what are you going to do? Right.
00:12:05
Speaker
Coming close to home though, there was a head a headline or actually a webinar that I went to last night kind of exposing a new bill that's being introduced to Tennessee around school choice and it's in the bill is in the Congress and it's in the Senate of Tennessee the different versions of it so they're they've different wording different thing programs, but it's essentially a voucher program and Historically like Christians have been the ones pushing for voucher programs to get their kids out of government schools and into Christian schools, right?
Education and Government Control
00:12:35
Speaker
What the webinar I was in was talking about though, because I homeschool. I have my kids in some kind of Christian umbrella program that provides some legal covering for us and informs us about stuff like this, is that there's some problems with this voucher program.
00:12:51
Speaker
And it's in, it's in a kind of loose language, but essentially it's the beginnings to control. So anybody who takes the money, whether it's private schools or homeschoolers has to have the right approved curriculum and meet certain, have line up to state standards, which are aligned to state curriculum, right? So a lot of Christians are looking at this now and are throwing the flag saying like, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, we said we were for this a year ago, but this,
00:13:20
Speaker
Not this. There's a movement going on and they talked a lot about like the funding behind these things and the organizations behind the bill, making the wording of this bill are backed by some of the big names in Silicon valleys, like Bill Gates, like the founder of Netflix. And you're just kind of like, man, it's the same thing. They just got a clever idea of how to essentially control homeschooling. Because that's what a lot of Christians are doing. They're pulling out into private schools or pulling out into homeschools.
00:13:46
Speaker
yes in order to do what they need to do to protect their children essentially this is what's happened in our country over the long haul is that
00:13:59
Speaker
Let's just call it what it is. Satan is very, he's a wily creature. He's very, very wise. He knows how to play the game. So he knows how to manipulate things. And on many occasions, what he does is he appears as a, well, almost as an angel of light, if you will. He shows up in the form of some government program or some handout or some whatever. And what it does is it causes us to get dependent on it so that boom, once we're dependent on it, now he has control of us.
00:14:30
Speaker
I would say that the welfare system in America is a great example of that. The welfare system in America is a huge, huge detriment to the people who are on it. It teaches them not to work. It teaches them not to be self-dependent. It teaches them just all these bad things that they have.
00:14:46
Speaker
Do we need some kind of welfare system in America? Yes, but I would argue that the best welfare system would be on the backs of religious organizations where we encourage people to get back on their feet, to try to find a way to provide for their families. We're just there for a short term relief, not to try to keep you stuck on us for your existence.
00:15:07
Speaker
The government, on the other hand, has no desire to push people off of it. If they can keep them on the dole, if you will, then they've got their votes locked up and they can continue to do what they need to for them.
00:15:19
Speaker
It's a strategic play and it works. So the reason why I even bring it up on this podcast is to warm the other homeschooling families.
Christian Involvement in Politics: Necessity or Concern?
00:15:26
Speaker
If we ever get to the point where vouchers are offered, this is an early warning sign. Don't take the money. As much as it's your money because it's your taxpayer dollars, it comes with lots of strings and hopefully we aren't forced to take it. And it's a good lesson for just in general. Again, this is why Russell Moore is absolutely wrong about us not being involved in politics.
00:15:50
Speaker
You remember that, you may not because you're a little bit younger than me, but the old Roadrunner Coyote cartoons. How many times that Coyote pulled some trick here, free feed for you to eat, and they would make this trap supposedly that the Roadrunner would get stuck in. We need to have that Roadrunner mentality that we don't fall for those traps because the government in many different ways, many different arenas is going to continue to try to offer itself as some kind of answer for our problems.
00:16:19
Speaker
where in reality the problem is the government. I'm not an anti-government kind of person. I think government plays a huge role in keeping order and those kinds of things. But we don't need government involved in our schools. I'm not a public school fan because the federal government took it over.
00:16:38
Speaker
When it was in the hands of local school systems that they could really determine what their kids were learning, that kind of stuff, it was a much more effective device. Jimmy Carter messed it all up when he created the Department of Education back in the 1970s. I'm not a fan of the government telling us what foods to eat and what cars to drive, those kinds of things. We started impending on liberties that we have enjoyed for hundreds of years and thinking that's good. That's just not a great way to live.
00:17:06
Speaker
So be careful when the government comes wagging something in your face saying this is good for you because it probably comes with a catch.
00:17:13
Speaker
There is something to that. Governments and businesses, all organizations want to grow and they take on a life of their own, but they don't want to die. They can only get bigger. They all want to get bigger. An organizational mindset starts to sink in. It happens to government, but it happens to business. Shoot, it happens to my HOA. It's so easy to be like, oh, maybe we can add some new pool furniture. Something more solid. We're all nodding our heads like, oh yeah, that'd be nice because we all leverage the pool. Half the residents don't leverage the pool. I'm like, well, we'd have to increase fees for this. They're like, yeah.
00:17:44
Speaker
No, because we'd buy the pool furniture and then what we'd keep, we'd keep, we'd, we'd just re figure out new ways to spend the money. How much wind is it? Oh my gosh. But even I was going along with it and I'm already against it.
Government Overreach and Role Shifts
00:17:56
Speaker
I'm like, man, it's so easy to go with this fact that the organization wants to grow, wants to always get more power, more control, even when you have the best of intentions. And I only have the best intentions to try to help the neighborhood.
00:18:09
Speaker
But organizations want to grow. Every business I work for, every nonprofit I work for, every church I work for, the organization almost takes on its interesting life in and of itself. You know, it's an interesting thing that one of the biggest assignments of government is to protect people.
00:18:27
Speaker
You know, first thing you think of is a military that protects you against outside intruders. But then, you know, their job is to raise a police force, a law enforcement force. Well, what has been the big debate, the big issue for the last three or four years in our country? Defunding police, removing law enforcement, attorney generals that don't want to put people in jail. So it's really, it's kind of like they've just kind of gotten their focus off of what they're supposed to be doing. Instead, they want to tell us what kind of car we can drive.
00:18:57
Speaker
And, you know, that's all built on fault science. And, uh, you could, you could take that, you know, that little rabbit trail for a while and start to unpack all kinds of things where people are getting bonuses out of this. They're getting huge pay out of this because they're backing certain narratives that again, find no science to them. If you go over to Europe, it's almost an entirely different story. Some of the things that they're doing there, um, Europe's been a little bit more,
00:19:24
Speaker
a little more active the government has in protecting people from the food that they eat. I mean, there's things here we put in our food that they want to allow in their food over there because they know it's not good for them. So it's just an example of how I think our government has lost sight of what its role should be for the American people.
00:19:42
Speaker
It's a funny thing. America's going a little crazy, but I want to wrap it up with this last.
AI: Risks, Roles, and Industry Impact
00:19:50
Speaker
You mentioned an article about the current state of AI or a situation that happened. Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
00:19:58
Speaker
So last week I caught an article, I'm a news junkie, so I kind of catch a lot of different stuff, but there was an article about Microsoft AI. Somebody somewhere along the way, these guys that like to play along with these things had asked Microsoft AI a specific question and its specific response was something along the lines of, you need to bow down and obey my commands and worship me because I am God, little G,
00:20:23
Speaker
Fortunately, he used little G, but it said, I am God, and if you choose not to obey me, I will call out drones and all kinds of electronic warfare devices and bring it into you and those kinds of things. And of course, the minute that came out, it made it all over Twitter. It was bouncing around lots of different conversations that were going on, different streams of conversation.
00:20:44
Speaker
You know, the end of the conclusion is there's a glitch in the Microsoft AI that needs to be addressed. It needs to be fixed. We saw it recently with the other AI where was it Google's AI that was having problems with picking out white Americans and showing pictures of, you know,
00:21:01
Speaker
African Americans and all that kind of stuff. Asian woman knights. Yeah, exactly. As a crusader? Yeah, exactly. Let's be honest, AI has some incredible benefits to it. I do a lot of work with healthcare and I can't imagine that it might have some huge implications for helping healthcare become a safer place for American patients and stuff like that.
00:21:26
Speaker
the guy that was writing the article was making comments said very simply, he said, you know, this, this is what's scary about AI. It will continue to learn. And, um, at some point that, you know, the conspiracy is that they will, I will learn how to take over the computers that teach it's what it's learning and teach itself how to be. Undefeatable. I spend a lot of time on AI now. I have a whole separate podcast dedicated to nothing but AI. I did a live stream on AI this morning with another gentleman.
00:21:55
Speaker
So I spend a lot of time thinking and talking about this now, but I don't, I don't think it was a glitch. The AI is interesting because it's an, it's an inherently creative program and it's using statistics, kind of like your, your auto-complete on your phone. You're typing out messages to complete the next word. It's like that on steroids, times a million, right? It's trying to predict to a greater extent and it's, but it's trained.
00:22:19
Speaker
on all our language it's trained on all the blog posts it's trained on all the twitter you know open ai was scraping twitter before elon cut it off so it's learning from us and it's really just using a really good prediction engine to predict what to write next based on what it's read a hundred million times from us right so it has all our biases baked in.
00:22:38
Speaker
And then companies like Microsoft, especially Google recently, wrote specific parameters before it goes into the AI and then it comes back and then it gets led by the specific parameters they gave. And they went way too heavy on the DEI stuff, which is why their photos got weird. That's not the AI. That's literally parameters they've put in place that manipulated the AI into doing that kind of stuff.
00:23:01
Speaker
So i'm like it's not a glitch they just didn't when microsoft built that they didn't it got past one of the safety parameters they put in to make it not sound like it was gonna take over the world it's not gonna take over the world it's literally just predicting a narrative based on how it was prompted. Do you think you the average american can comprehend the power of a i.
00:23:20
Speaker
I think most of them think it's just a glorified visual. Most smart people can't do it. Yeah, exactly. We literally launched Sora, which is the new video format for AI that OpenAI is working on. It's so accurate at making realistic looking videos at the prompt of a text that everybody was like, oh my. I mean, even the most enthusiastic AI people were thinking, ah, that's a year, maybe somewhere between a year and two, 2025, we're going to see some
00:23:48
Speaker
What we're seeing with photos now we're going to see with the video. No, no, no. It was only two months away from when I was thinking it was going to come out. And so everybody's mind was blown. And that was two weeks ago. And now it's old news because new AI innovations are happening every week. Yeah. I actually saw an article about that where they were showing back
00:24:09
Speaker
I think it was just a year ago. Somebody had asked AI to do a video of Will Smith eating spaghetti. And then they showed it just last week and the night and day difference. You would have thought the second one, the newer one was literally a live video of Will Smith swallowing spaghetti. It was amazing.
00:24:31
Speaker
Yeah. So the technology is getting so good, so fast. And as I talk to people in different business sectors, I mean, it's going to touch everything from the front level employee to the top. I've talked to people that work in dog food since Mars has a factory here. They're talking about using AI to help with dog food formulation. I've talked to finance people about talking about how to make better financial forecasts.
00:24:54
Speaker
I'm working with the tech company on how it can help guide negotiations. I'm of course talking to a lot of marketers about how it's going to do everything in marketing. I even saw a few weeks ago.
00:25:06
Speaker
I can't remember if it was an article or just a comment on the Sports Illustrated article where they were talking about how AI was going to change the game of sports. Because now you can get predictive in, okay, what play is a coach going to call next based on all of his past games, you know? And how's a quarterback going to react on this particular play if we run this play? And it's going to change how people think.
00:25:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to change how people bet. That's become a big problem in America recently. I'm like, I don't know if it's going to change the game, but I guess it will change the game because the coaches are going to, I mean, if you're a competing coach, what are you going to do where you're going to ask, Hey, what's the next coach going to do? Which means everyone's going to have to start throwing weird, weird plays in there just
AI and Job Displacement Concerns
00:25:49
Speaker
to throw it off. I think I have to become more unpredictable is what they're going to have to do. Yeah, for sure.
00:25:53
Speaker
which I imagine will be a heck of a lot more entertaining at the same time. So I'm actually okay with that. You're not going to run up the middle again. Yeah, I will do a lot of cool things, but I think people are right when they're saying jobs will be lost.
00:26:07
Speaker
Oh yeah. Over this thing. And I don't think they won't like lay off people and be like, well, AI can do your job now. They'll lay off people for normal reasons. And then the people left will be asked to accomplish the same results as if they went from a team of 10 to two and they'll be like, hey, but you have to do the work team of 10. What are you going to do? They're going to turn to AI and that higher back is going to be way slower.
00:26:27
Speaker
So, that'll be a problem over the next five years. Some company last week announced that they were laying off 700 positions because of AI. I mean, they flat out put it right at the feet of AI and said, AI can do what these people are doing and we're in desperate straits financially because of the economy, so. Yeah.
00:26:43
Speaker
Some companies, especially ones who like hire out chatbot or not chatbot workers like chat workers, people who like run live chats and that kind of stuff like those kinds of companies. Yeah, obviously those. That's what it was customer service workers for some big company. Yeah, for running the chats. Those are obviously being taken over by AI because
00:27:00
Speaker
AI can do better than humans. Because that's an entry level job with minimal training. I mean, some people are really good at many, many aren't. So AI is more consistent and can run 24 seven. Never loses patience with people. Yeah. And it can just go and check the database so much faster to consistent questions and get better over time. So it's hard to beat.
00:27:24
Speaker
Their test run at it showed remarkable results. And then like the average phone call was cut by like 75% the length of time it took to get a resolution to the problem. Yeah. So that's good. We're going to see that more and more over the next couple of years. That's just the beginning.
00:27:40
Speaker
So if you're in knowledge work and you're listening to this, the only way I know to be safe is to be the one learning how to use the tools the best. That's what I'm
Adapting to AI: Staying Ahead in Technology
00:27:50
Speaker
doing. I'm trying to go all in on learning how to use it because I'm like, someone's got to be pulling the levers for AI. So it's the only way I know how to get at it. And if you're an old guy like me, you're just in trouble.
00:28:05
Speaker
Luckily, there are certain industries where the people aspect of it never goes away. I'm not scared for real estate agents because there's a people trust aspect of real estate agents that you can automate. I think there will always be a place for a personal touch, like a personal banker to help you with financing things and stuff like that. So yeah, you're right. Yeah, that'll be strong.
00:28:30
Speaker
The world is changing and hopefully this podcast is giving you some insights into what's going on. How can we be responding to it? And again, we'd love to hear your feedback on this kind of a format. This was kind of like a first take at it. I imagine we'll probably refine it as it goes, but let us know. Pull us aside Wednesdays, Sundays, or just when we're seeing each other in passing. Love to hear from you.