Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
#1 - Drummer Joe Tomino's Healthy Life on the Road
20 Plays7 years ago
Besides being an amazing and accomplished drummer, Joe Tomino is yoga instructor, vegan food chef and totally inspiring individual. Throughout Joe's career as a drummer he has toured and recorded with many greats including Matisyahu, The Fugees, Mike Patton, Lauryn Hill and his group Dub Trio.
In this conversation:
- Joe’s path and why/how he went 100% plantbased and how that decision has affected his overall wellbeing and ability to thrive on the road.
- Joe’s Yoga practice and the transition from student to teacher and some of the parellels with being a life long student and teacher of music.
- Joe’s biking on tour and how the bike has become a crucial element of how he rolls Some of Joe’s concepts behind vegan cooking, nutrition, show preparation and some of his major influences along the way.
I hope you dig this episode as much as I did. Joe Tomino is someone who can offer much wisdom and inspiration and it was an honor to have this conversation with him for the premiere of the Tourganic Podcast.
Check out www.tourganic.com for the full show notes and more
Recommended
Transcript
Welcome & Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Torganic Park. In the end, that's what we're doing, right? You're either giving love or you're receiving it. You're asking for it or you're giving it. Because that's all that really happens. I like to give. I'm a giver these days.
00:00:20
Speaker
Thanks for joining me on the debut episode of the Torganic Podcast. I am David Bayless, your host. In the Torganic Podcast, I will be talking with great musicians out there who not only are successful in their craft in navigating this crazy music industry, but also manage to live in a healthy way while doing their thing. While many of these conversations are about how and why my guests live a plant-based vegan diet on the road, the arc of these conversations will have a holistic approach and focus on health of mind, body, and spirit.
00:00:50
Speaker
Hopefully this podcast can give you a window into their life and offer you some insight that will inspire you.
Meet Joe Tamino
00:00:56
Speaker
This premiere episode will feature the one and only Joe Tamino, drummer, yoga instructor, vegan food chef, and all-around inspiring individual. Joe has been the drummer for Dovetrio, the wild instrumental group that blends hip-hop, metal, and reggae since the early 2000s.
00:01:12
Speaker
In addition to making records and touring as a trio, they are a part of reggae singer, Madis Yahu's band, and collaborated with legendary rock singer, Mike Patton, in the group Peeping Tom. In this episode, we talk about how and why Joby became a vegan, and how that has affected his playing and life on the road.
00:01:29
Speaker
some concepts about how he approaches his shows. We talk about Joe's path of fitness and yoga and especially his daily cycling on tour and how that whole thing developed. But most of all, we get a sense of Joe's journey to continue to live a balanced, healthy life.
Madis Yahu's Recording Approach
00:01:46
Speaker
Joe is in Brooklyn working on Madis Yahoo's new album and we start the conversation talking about their unique approach to this record and how it's been going. Kind of a different trajectory, a different
00:02:01
Speaker
path. What a jamming. Improving and like cultivating and shaping songs within that structure of jamming. Nice. So it's like kind of writing in that context a little bit. Yeah. That's how we wrote. We wrote for a week because I've been playing with Modus for about a year at all. You haven't. Yeah. Right. And so we just kind of jam for a week. And that's our recording.
00:02:29
Speaker
Cause you know, 90% of the sessions I do are not like that. Right. Or 99. And so it's interesting. Unless it's like something like free improv where you're just playing. Right. Out or free or whatever loose. But this is very much structures without structure. Well, it's like finding structure within unstructured output. Yeah. I mean, luckily I have a history with Stu.
00:02:56
Speaker
And the guitar player, Aaron, who's been with us since day one pretty much. Yeah. For now, when I've been in the band, he's there. Yeah, Aaron's awesome. And we got Yuki on keys. Yeah, he's like his show creative. He's insane. Wow. Talk about just a force. Yeah. Rhythmically, he's, I mean, he's just, and so it's fun to be able to have those guys.
00:03:20
Speaker
to have to do this sort of concept with. I feel like if it wasn't that, it might be different. Of course, I didn't know anybody. It was a brand new band. Is it kind of like you guys jammed and then listened back and you're like, okay, here's like, this is a dope rhythm. Right, dope rhythm, a dope section, maybe this section from that, this section. But also, we've done a couple words just straight improv.
00:03:44
Speaker
And then maybe we listen back and say, let's overdub on top of this. When it gets to here, let's try something new. And then see where that goes. It's cool because, you know, like, A, most of the sessions I do, people just don't have the patience for that. You know what I mean? It's like,
00:04:05
Speaker
Whoever is organizing the session has done everything you could possibly do up until then, and then we rehearsed for two days or whatever. Or if it's a band, maybe you've been playing these songs, but then it's like you go in and it's like, let's get this done as efficiently as possible. Let's knock this out. Like, cool, you done? You got what you need? Boom, next. Me too. Same with me. It's like, A, have an amount of trust.
00:04:31
Speaker
that's like in everybody that like you know with no plans you're gonna get awesome stuff and b it's just great to have that relaxed energy yeah there's no stress which is great yeah i'm sure you know most musicians can attest that in no stress situations you're gonna perform at your highest level yeah and the band's producing it so there's not like a producer there
00:04:58
Speaker
you know, modest, the band, all of us, it's like there's no producer they're saying. You know, for better or worse, if I don't know one or the other, it's just like, no one's like saying, that wasn't good, or we're the ones that are saying, let's try this. Maybe we can, you know, or it's totally open. Try this beat, Joe, or hey, can you play? You know, that chord, that line was cool there. It's totally open.
00:05:26
Speaker
Let's check out a track from Joe's group, dubbed Trio.
Yoga's Influence on Veganism
00:06:16
Speaker
After years of being vegetarian on the road, it was actually Joe's yoga practice that inspired him to transition into the vegan lifestyle. I had done yoga teacher training about two years ago. And my whole world was sort of turned upside down. It's such an intense experience and journey. And my ethics were really challenged. You know, one of the first
00:06:46
Speaker
There's the thing called the yamas and the niyamas, which are sort of like ways of living your life. And the first yama in yogic terms is a himsa, which is basically compassion, compassionate living and non-violence, non-harm towards yourself, towards the earth, towards others. And I was like,
00:07:10
Speaker
started to think about my diet. I was always the healthy guy on tour at this point, but I still did the eggs and the butter. It made me a little bit of fish. The fish slowly died down over the last four or five years before I became a vegan, but I just stopped cold turkey.
00:07:32
Speaker
And just again, it was another test. It was another like experiment. It was like, I'm going to do this for the whole length of my teacher training, which is like three or four months. And then we'll see how I feel. If I feel I'm going to get my blood work done, I'm going to do it the right way, you know, and nothing really changed. I didn't feel better or worse.
00:07:57
Speaker
I mean, I may have felt a little lighter or clearer, especially in conscience, but I definitely felt a little less fatigued because I was very physical at the time with the yoga and my practice. But I just kept it going ever since. And that was just about, that was January of 2014. Okay. Yeah. And when you say the ethics and
00:08:24
Speaker
compassion. That's deep. Can we dig a little bit more into that and what that means to you? Not necessarily what it means or what it's supposed to mean, but what that means to you, how you've internalized those lessons and how it's kind of affected your life in this way. Right. Well, first of all, you don't need to harm another life to support your own. That was a big thing for me just to realize that like, um,
00:08:55
Speaker
animals for food being like the most important one for me because I wasn't harming any humans and The fact that I just had thought that I needed something or just did it by habit I just needed to break out of that paradigm. So once I had this realization and The doors were sort of blown open. I
00:09:17
Speaker
I'd seen all the, you know, the films, the Forks Over Knives, and I'm not sure, I think, Cowspiracy and the like that may have been out. I'd seen The Cove, and I'd seen Earthlings, and you know, something like Earthlings, which is really quite visceral and intense, is almost like sensationalism. It is. It's hard to watch. It's very hard to watch. I mean, you can't be brought to tears watching a film like that. And I rewatched it.
00:09:47
Speaker
right when I quit eating animal meat.
00:09:54
Speaker
And it was a different experience from the first time I watched it. Not that I was happy watching it the first time or blew it off, but I definitely felt something on a deeper level in my own conscious that it was like, yeah, now it's time to make the ship. And I'd never visited a factory farm or anything, but I knew, you know, how the animals were treated and what the process was like.
00:10:21
Speaker
I just, I don't want and didn't want to be a part of that in any way, shape or form. Not only killing the animals, but killing the planet. And I'm sure your listeners, you probably know how much damage it does, meat production does to depleting the resources, the rain forest, water, greenhouse gases.
00:10:48
Speaker
yada yada yada but I just couldn't I couldn't do it anymore so I I didn't once I committed to the end of teacher training being a vegan
00:11:02
Speaker
There was no turning back. I did it. I felt fine. I had all the knowledge. I was completely wide open with the whole yoga thing. Yoga had become an intrinsic, integral part of my life. And there was just no way I couldn't practice what I was preaching.
Veganism & Musical Performance
00:11:22
Speaker
There's been no looking back. There's a real cleansing aspect of that.
00:11:28
Speaker
making a commitment to something like that and that you believe in so strongly. And like you say, not looking back. You almost know when you're doing that. Like, I'm not gonna look back. Like, there's no turning back now. I believe in this. I've sort of figured out a path and this is a door that I'm gonna open that I really feel great about. I'm not gonna go back through that door. And I'm wondering if you felt that influence you're playing at all.
00:11:58
Speaker
Interesting. I'm not actually sure that I've even thought about that. Elaborate what specifically would have influenced my playing? Well, it could be a variety of things on a more practical level.
00:12:16
Speaker
more energy in your life, more energy on tour, on a mental level, clarity and maybe less clutter and you can focus on certain things within your playing, maybe your practice within your discipline. I see a big connection personally between the discipline of health and the discipline of music and the craft of learning an instrument, even though they have
00:12:42
Speaker
very different outlets in their own way. It's all part of one for me. It's all part of the same thing, which is life and just being. Yes. So I can't say that I'd notice anything in the way or in terms of
00:13:03
Speaker
like less fatigue or more endurance because i'd gotten my health sort of on track i started running and i brought a bike on tour started biking like i said i'd start doing yoga
00:13:16
Speaker
about three or so years before I became a vegan. So it's already pretty fit and playing drums is a pretty physical instrument. I was sometimes doing three hour sets a night, sometimes double sets. It was really a good period for me at that time. And so the endurance has always been there and I don't have any excess body weight. So I don't really get fatigued that much. I don't have to like, but I could say that.
00:13:44
Speaker
going back to the yoga, that was a big thing for me, not just in terms of the community to be a vegan and plant-based, but in terms of less clutter, in terms of how I saw everything, how I saw food, how I saw my posture sitting on the drums, how I
00:14:06
Speaker
breathed in situations. I mean, it just influenced and infiltrated everything. So food was a big part of it. Now, since I became vegan, I will say that one thing that I could say that it has influenced is, um, like I've always been into cooking, especially since I told you, when I went to Europe that first time, we got more and more into food and flavors and marrying spices and, uh, whatnot. But,
00:14:35
Speaker
creativity putting together dishes, putting together specifically plant-based dishes, vegan dishes, and how that related to music. I liken it to being creative on the drum kit or musically and improvising, because I'm not a chef who follows recipes.
00:15:04
Speaker
Barely like I might read one or read several and then I won't have them up when I'm cooking like I know I can pretty much
00:15:14
Speaker
just eyeball spices or amounts of you know whatever to put into a dish to know how it's going to flavor a dish so creativity like musically improvising and musically like like if you watch that show chop how they get a box of they don't know what's in the box you don't put it up it's like all right go right so improvising with
00:15:37
Speaker
And you know, I wasn't doing too many chop challenges, but just improvising by opening up the fridge. And so there was definitely an akin to creating in the kitchen a new way of creating with my limited, so you know, quote unquote limited, because you know, when you're a vegan, what do you eat? It's limited, right? And it's like, it's anything but limited. It's like,
00:16:04
Speaker
the food that I eat when I'm on tour with other people and we're eating as a group or if I could take out, someone else could take out is nine times out of 10. Way more colorful, probably way more rich in spices and flavor profiles and the balance of the dish and on and on and on versus what someone else is eating. Not to say that it's better or I'm any better or worse, but. Right.
00:16:34
Speaker
The sky's the limit. So I love having that palette just be completely wide open and from a creative cooking aspect versus or liking to a creative palette of timbers and notes musically. So that's been a big juxtaposition for me, the creativity of cooking.
00:16:57
Speaker
In the kitchen yeah, and I was I was thinking that same thing when he was describing the story of when you were a kid mm-hmm and and seeing that spice rack and understanding that and even just right away connecting it with the session the modest Yahoo session where you guys have this
00:17:15
Speaker
you know, just jam and then you're just picking and it's all feel, right? It's all feel. And it sounds like you have that same approach with your cooking. It's all feel. It's not a specific recipe. It's not a, you know, oh, this cord has to go to that. No, it's all a natural feel thing. And there's no stress. There's no stress. You could put your, you could dip your pinky in and say, oh, this needs a little more of that. Let's add a little more of that, you know? Yeah.
00:17:40
Speaker
That's overdone. Let's tip a little bit more of that spice in the mix. And how did you segue from being into cooking to actually giving cooking classes?
Teaching & Inspiring Healthy Lifestyles
00:17:50
Speaker
What's been the path there? So I guess, again, going back to the yoga thing, I started giving classes through working at a yoga studio, teaching the classes.
00:18:09
Speaker
alongside of teaching a yoga practice. So, I'm not going to say that all yogis are vegans because they're definitely not, but there's definitely way more yogis who are plant-based or who have the awareness of ahimsa and the like, those things of compassionate way of being and eating and living.
00:18:35
Speaker
So there tend to be a lot more open-minded people in terms of food in that community. So it was just natural that I sort of marketed or came up with an idea to host some cooking classes for that audience. Now, it wasn't just for that audience because I opened it up to anybody who would want to come, but it would happen to be at Yoga Studio. So I would cook these demos at Yoga Studios.
00:19:02
Speaker
I mean I aspire to do them at other places just for me about time and committing to finding the time to do it along with music and life and family and yada yada.
00:19:15
Speaker
You know, for me it just stems from wanting to help. I've never been someone who pushes my ideas or my dogmas, my way of life, or eating, whatever it is, on anybody. I just try to lead by example. If someone's like, man, I'm going to order what Joe's eating because his meals have been great, or, wow,
00:19:41
Speaker
I see these pictures that Joe's posting on Instagram. I want to go to his cooking class. Yeah. You know, I've never been like shame on you for eating meat. You know, it's terrible. Do you know what you're doing in the earth? You know, you're doing your body. It's like.
00:19:57
Speaker
I could say that to people, my friends, but I feel like more times than not, my family and friends already know, just being around me or being around others who maybe eat this way or have this sort of a lifestyle, that they know better. I feel like it's an inherent thing. I always think of this thing as a kid, if you have a toddler or even someone who's like,
00:20:24
Speaker
Uh, under four or three. If you just put like a baby cow or pig and I don't know, an apple or an orange, which one's food? It's like a no brainer. Yeah.
00:20:42
Speaker
It's like, it's intrinsic in us, it's a no brainer. We're just all just a product of experience. People just eat meat, because that's what our parents did. That's what you know. Yes, I need meat for protein. I don't know why. Why do you need meat? Why do you need to hurt animals? Do you even know that you're hurting animals? I always just try to lead by example.
00:21:12
Speaker
prompted me to want to share these cooking classes and just help people to learn how to cook and demystify that cooking vegan is either a tasteless or bland or be very time consuming, expensive or difficult. Yeah. Which it can be all those. Yeah, it could be none of those for sure. So, um,
00:21:38
Speaker
You know, you get out what you put in, you know? Yeah, and I think it's a really interesting thing. Vegans or vegetarians living that way of life, it can have a stigma of being very preachy and really creates an us and a them. And the idea of this is not to create a vibe of what I do is right and what you do is wrong.
00:22:03
Speaker
and it's more let's just look for inspiration in each other and hopefully we can find things that are going to affect each other positively because everyone has to find their own path and find their own balance of how it's going to work for them in life and by creating barriers and walls it's not the answer yes that's completely true and i fully concur with you 110 on that i mean there there is no us in them and i i've never want to
00:22:32
Speaker
be presenting myself as better or different than anybody else just by the choices I make with my diet. Yeah, you know, and I just hope to raise a kid and my have my help my family and just be in harmony with as much of the planet as possible, whether it's my just within my house or
00:22:57
Speaker
within the tour bus or my musical family or my Instagram followers or whoever or whatever it is. Someone I just see on the street and meet with a smile. I'm a firm believer of connection and that could be through a meal. It doesn't have to be physical. I like to go out to eat or go to the coffee shop.
00:23:27
Speaker
and engage with somebody with eyes. Yeah. How are you? Yeah. How are you? You know, because they get, how are you? How you doing? Yeah. How are you doing? Yeah. You know? And then they're like, whoa. Okay. Yeah. I'm good. How's your day? You know, it's like. Right, right. Pull, you get out what you put in. You know, I think that's, I think it's really important. So,
00:23:55
Speaker
I'm not really sure how that relates to what you just said about not building up the walls and barriers around where this, where that, you know, we're different, but no, it completely, it completely relates because it's, it's creating an environment of awareness of each other. Yes. Perfect.
00:24:25
Speaker
Here's a solo percussion track from Joe.
00:25:09
Speaker
Of course yoga is a huge element and you mentioned cycling.
Fitness Journey & Music Career
00:25:14
Speaker
What's your past and your path been with fitness? How did it lead to you being this yogi now and how does it continue your fitness with cycling but definitely going back?
00:25:29
Speaker
taking that path along with health. Cause I think those things definitely go hand in hand. They feed each other. Without a doubt, without a doubt. I was never that into fitness as a kid. You know, I played sports, basketball, skateboarded, drums, obviously, but I wasn't too into like lifting weights. There was a minute when I was like 16 or so, I was into weights and actually walked up to like, I think 134, my heaviest when I was like 16 or something. And
00:25:59
Speaker
But I was never too into like sport or, you know, like I said, like lifting weights or cycling or running. I hated running, in fact. When I joined Madis Yahoo, the guitar player Aaron Dugan was running and he's like, you should go on a run someday. You should buy some running shoes.
00:26:27
Speaker
I was like interesting maybe I should go on a run and buy some running shoes so that's what I did the next tour I bought I had shoes and we were on the treadmill I could remember the hotel I could see us in the gym on the treadmill I could see I'm like hitting like mile three and I'm like super fatigued and I was like
00:26:50
Speaker
Okay. I'm out of shape. I thought I was like in shape drumming, you know, cardio. Good. No, I was not in shape. And, uh, so I started running and, um, that led into, I wouldn't say I was running every day, but I was running quite a bit on the, that whole year, the whole year, a couple of tours throughout the year. I was running almost every other day or so. Um, and.
00:27:20
Speaker
Sometimes it's hard to run when it's really cold out. Yeah. And so especially when you're on tour and you get wet clothes. So I'm not sure of how it came about, but the, actually I am. I am sure we were on tour and someone had bought a bike at like a bike shop, like a nice BMX bike or something. And I was like, wow, I haven't rode a bike in,
00:27:49
Speaker
I didn't even remember what, 15 or plus years. They even rode a bike. Yeah. And maybe I rented one on my honeymoon in Hawaii or something. You know what I mean? It's like I hadn't rode a bike at all. So I was like, I'm going to buy a bike. Everyone's buying bikes. All of a sudden the trail is full of bikes. And so I went to Target and I got like a mongoose or whatever, like cheapo.
00:28:13
Speaker
And funny story, I ended up getting the bike for a penny. Because when Lydia rang me out, she scanned the ticket for the bike. And when I looked at the receipt, I thought I had paid because I wasn't even paying. I wasn't mindful at all. She wasn't mindful. I wasn't mindful. Swiped the card, signed the thing. I was out. I was checking the receipt as I'm leaving just to make sure if I wanted to return it, I didn't want to leave. And I was like, oh.
00:28:43
Speaker
0.01 interesting and like I'm looking at the receipts scanning all the all the words and it was like what I was charged for was the tag that said the price the tag was one cent wow and so you know I was thank you target so that was my first bike that bike lasted me a year and a half
00:29:10
Speaker
Everyone else had kind of fallen out of the initial like, yeah, I have a bike phase. Maybe one other guy was riding bikes with me. It's just such a beautiful thing to have on tour to get around. And now I did, I like the fact that I can get around, but it was just good to explore.
00:29:32
Speaker
Explore let's say I don't know Dallas like you're gonna play the House of Blues in Dallas. You're gonna be downtown You know, you've probably been there however many times it's like and you've got a boss or you're in a van and like you're at the mercy of Basically a cab or your feet right and so you can't really do too much exploring
00:29:54
Speaker
Right? And so the bike permitted me this new way, this new method of exploring and getting out, not only away from like the downtown area or wherever I happen to be, whatever venue, but just then all of a sudden I was in nature. Then all of a sudden I was in trees.
00:30:14
Speaker
and I was in parks and I was on paved bike routes. I started to learn how to navigate on a bike and that opened up a whole new game for me. All of a sudden that was meditation for me. It was not only peace of mind just being on the bike, peace of mind on tour, getting away from
00:30:35
Speaker
the rigmarole of tour life. You know, not that I wanted to be away from my friends, but just a whole other way of looking at like day to day, you know, I could all of a sudden escape. And not that I needed to escape, but I could explore, not escape. And basically, as I started riding more and more, I got more endurance and then I would just
00:31:03
Speaker
I would just open up the maps when I got to a city. I got really good with Google maps like the night before. I might say, I'm going here. Okay, I'll open up. This is where the venue is. I'll close out the map so I'm like, I got a big radius to look from. I'll find like the nearest park or I could see all the bike paths. I'll say maybe I'll go here someday.
00:31:25
Speaker
or tomorrow rather whatever it is and then I'll say okay maybe I'll check it out so the next day I would do that I would just wake up I'd pull the bike out drop the trailer pull it out myself so no one had to deal with it it was my doing pull out the bike lock up the trailer first thing in the morning boom I'm out like before loading before anybody's commitments of anything
00:31:47
Speaker
start the day off right. Meditation, exercise, on the bike, explore, fresh air, just a change of scenery. Taking the city, taking the vibe, start my day off right, I'm getting exercise,
00:32:05
Speaker
I'm seeing new stuff. I can go wherever I want. I can go to the museum. I can go to whatever I want to see, friend's house. I got a bike. I'm 10 miles away. No problem. I'll be there in the morning. It's too coffee or whatever. And so I just fell in love with the bike. And one day I came home from a European tour and it was, I think it was my birthday or maybe my anniversary. And I walked in the door in Brooklyn and Trisha got me this like really nice hybrid bike.
00:32:34
Speaker
which is perfect for touring, you know, a cross between road and mountain or whatever. And it was just like, yes. And I've had that bike for a long time.
00:32:47
Speaker
Basically, I started running a little more throughout that time, running and biking, biking almost every day on tour. I was going further and further, 30 miles, 40 miles a day, playing the gigs, sometimes biking after the show at night, like around the downtown, just taking in the vibe, you know, the city when it's quiet or whatever, desolate.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yeah. And then I sort of found my way into this, because I was listening to a lot of podcasts at the time and I had an interest in challenging my endurance and I had this little like, you know, I don't know, there's a little spark that said, hey, do you think you can do a triathlon?
00:33:34
Speaker
And I was like,
Fitness on Tour
00:33:35
Speaker
maybe. And so I basically spent one, before one tour, I spent part of a spring basically training for triathlon. You know, every day I'd wake up.
00:33:51
Speaker
bike to the pool, swim for a bunch of, you know, I don't know, for an hour or whatever, unlock the bike, bike to the park, lock the bike out, run, run, run, run, run, run, unlock the bike, bike back home, time, time myself, you know, just doing these different time trials and
00:34:10
Speaker
and went on tour, continued biking and running, came back, even swam. I tried to, we were in Europe, I remember swimming like in this, there was like actually, I remember the week before I went home, there was an Olympic size swimming pool, like in this insane hotel in Russia. It was just like, it was right before the triathlon, I came home, my first one, and I was just like,
00:34:34
Speaker
I couldn't even believe it. It was like I was practicing, still training, came home, did the triathlon.
00:34:43
Speaker
boom, checked it off, accomplished that. I think it's super cool and hopefully listeners can appreciate the fact, I'm sure a musician, listeners that are on tour can appreciate that it's easy as a musician on tour to get stuck in a cycle of tour bus or van, venue, hotel, like you're just on this never ending cycle and
00:35:07
Speaker
you know, maybe you'll go to a restaurant in the city you're in, but there's no real grounding at all with the location you're at and you're just kind of in this.
00:35:17
Speaker
this wheel, a cycle of those locations, essentially. So it's awesome that you found that way, that outlet, the bike. And I totally relate. I cycle in New York, so I'm a big cyclist. I love biking. That's like my main mode of transportation. I didn't have my bike in New York. One place that it always stays in storage, like in Jersey.
00:35:41
Speaker
I never had my bike in New York. It's a little crazy. It's a little crazy biking in New York, but on tour I can completely relate to a lot of things you're saying. Fitness, running, tennis. I'm a big tennis player. It's a huge outlet for me and it's an essential part of my well-being and my ability to
00:36:03
Speaker
be a happy, fulfilled person on tour. And having that moment, whether it's for myself, I'm doing a 10 or 15 mile run and I'm exploring nature and we do get to go to beautiful places on tour.
00:36:19
Speaker
there's really no better way to appreciate Colorado than running in the mountains. Just soaking that in and appreciating where you're at or cycling or whatever, getting out there, hiking, walking, whatever suits you. We're lucky. We're lucky that our job takes us there and we get to do that. Not only that we have the awareness to get out and do it in the facility and the means or the desire
00:36:45
Speaker
But we're lucky that our job takes us to these places. And I love, like you mentioned, because I do some yoga classes on tour. I definitely play tennis. And I also feel a connection with what you're saying about community and connecting with community. I have now a database of phone numbers of people I play tennis with all over the country.
00:37:05
Speaker
And you I roll into whether it's a tennis center now or it's just a group of guys that I know and I'm like oh yeah I'm in town and it's given me this whole other network of people in a community of people that it's a really neat thing to have on tour and it's cool and when I wake up in the morning and I go do my thing it's like a totally different
00:37:24
Speaker
different adventure than the whole other part of my world I'm doing for the rest of the day. And you know, it's a great, it's a great outlet and kind of makes the whole thing work for me. Do you ever feel like it alienates you from anybody or do you feel that people project that onto you? Oh, there's David going off and doing his thing without us. That's an interesting question. I don't, I don't feel that way. I really, um, I feel that,
00:37:54
Speaker
In all the bands that I've toured with, if one thing I can really appreciate is that people need
00:38:02
Speaker
space. Yes, of course.
Challenges of Touring on a Vegan Diet
00:38:05
Speaker
People need time to themselves and space. So if anything, I think people probably appreciate that Dave's off doing his thing. Like, you know, if I'm in a hotel room, if I have to share a hotel room with someone, I'm probably going to be in that hotel room for a very short amount of time. They can count on that.
00:38:24
Speaker
When they wake up, I'm going to be gone. Cool. So if anything, I feel like I haven't gotten too much pushback. There is an element sometimes of on tour. I need to go to this co-op to get my what I need to be healthy. I need to go to this juice bar today or this is what I want to do. And naturally, that's going to take out maybe time from
00:38:53
Speaker
If we have a certain amount of time and we're rolling, like, oh, I want to stop here. Someone's like, oh, well, I would rather done this. There is an element of that. And I certainly try to be as patient as I can. And I think my bandmates are patient with me about, you know, always finding the right decision and, and.
00:39:16
Speaker
and making sure everyone can live the way they live. Have you found that at all with your bandmates? Sure, of course. Yeah. Are you a plant-based diet person in your bands usually? Well, no, I'm lucky that like...
00:39:32
Speaker
There's people, the band has gone through cycles of people. Naturally, there's like some flow of members, but, and I'm usually the, I find myself the kind of the leader in the food department of like, okay, let's do this. This is, and that's kind of why I helped do this whole organic blog as like,
00:39:54
Speaker
Hey, I think I've developed a system here. So there's another guy in my band, Brian, who is pretty much vegetarian. He's pescatarian. He has fish, but he'll pretty much roll with me all the time. And others will kind of fall in line. And then some people completely do their own thing. That's different from me. And I think there is a mutual acceptance.
00:40:20
Speaker
Right, cool. I mean, I'm similar in the sense that I've sort of been the food guy, too, for a while. Now that I have any, like, I'm always like, hey,
00:40:35
Speaker
Well, if it's like a band thing, we gotta roll together, I'll find something anywhere. If we gotta go to like this restaurant, steakhouse, whatever it is, I don't know. Not that we go to steakhouses, but I'll get sides. I'll make it work. I'll drink wild fast. If I have to fast drink water just to hang, I'm cool with it. Me too. There's no stress. I don't want other people to feel stressed because I can't eat. There's a lot of people like,
00:41:02
Speaker
They, you know, they worry about like, what are you going to eat? It's going to be okay. Everything's going to be cool. You know, don't worry about me. So it's like, I never try to stress anybody out in that regard or say, we got to go here because I got to get the awesome Tempe Ruben or whatever. You know, I don't know. But.
00:41:23
Speaker
But hey, this place makes an awesome tempeh Reuben. Have you ever had a tempeh Reuben? It's really good. Yeah. So I don't know. It goes back to just kind of leading by example. Right. Or, you know, doesn't have to be a tempeh Reuben. It could be something completely healthy. Right. I like to, like you said, co-ops and Trader Joe's, Whole Foods. Grocery stores. I like to go to grocery stores.
00:41:53
Speaker
I think that not a lot of bands think that way unless they've done it before, just to go to a grocery store. It's like, you're going to go out to the restaurant or whatever. Like, why not go to the grocery store?
00:42:05
Speaker
and stock up, even if like you're with someone who eats meat, they can go to the deli department or, I don't know, rotisserie chickens or grocery stores, you know, I don't know. There's a lot more options there. And for you as a plant-based, you or whoever it is, there's so many options for, especially around the edges, you know, staying around the produce when not.
00:42:29
Speaker
Shop for even in terms of like stocking up. Totally. I'm a big you gotta stop. I gotta stock up Bags with me that's a big one for touring so, you know even before I came here from Cleveland I stocked up I ran out of my stock because I'm staying a little longer than I was supposed to but up so I got a rear but uh Obviously Brooklyn is great for
00:42:52
Speaker
are sort of lifestyle and very expensive. Much different than Cleveland in terms of economics and options. But yeah, so I try to...
00:43:06
Speaker
I try to take people with me, not in terms of like, we gotta go there, but more like, oh yeah, have you ever been there? Or come with me, you're gonna love it. Or we'll find something, trust me. It's gonna be good. And all of a sudden it's like, we do it every time or whatever. They find something, it's like a game changer, you just open up the box. So leading by example, just knocking, not kicking the door knob, but just, hey,
00:43:36
Speaker
Yeah. And on the flip side, I just want to quickly mention, whereas Whole Foods is, I mean...
00:43:44
Speaker
We're lucky to live in a time right now where Whole Foods is becoming practically ubiquitous, like everywhere there's Whole Foods. And I feel grateful to have that option. I'm always on the road personally. I'm trying to support local smaller businesses. So I really do seek out like smaller juice bars and places even though like, oh, I could probably go to Whole Foods and get a juice and get everything. I'm like, but you know what? I really wanna,
00:44:13
Speaker
help this little thing on the main street in town and try to really keep that going and post about them in the blog. It's great to go to farmer's markets too. It's great to ride the bike to the farmer's market, stock up for a couple days. It doesn't get any more nutrient dense and healing than that. So it's like a big thing for me has been
00:44:39
Speaker
Uh, gardening. I started gardening since I have a house now and a backyard. I started gardening last year. Game changer. Yeah. Game changer. Just going out. Again, like just picking anything that looks ripe or is ready and going and creating with the palette. You know, just like, all right, let's do this. What am I going to do? That's, that's awesome too. So, and the way the vegetables taste.
00:45:03
Speaker
when they're like that. When they're right on the ground. And that same thing, going back to kids and whatnot, I'll go out there with five. She'll be there from the beginning. We'll plant the seeds inside, transport them out, dig with our hands in the dirt, put them in the dirt. We'll water them, we'll look at them. I'll have her pick it. Let's go in the garden. Hoist her over the fence, get in the garden, pick it.
00:45:31
Speaker
Brush the dirt off and then eat it right now. Taste it. Close your eyes. We do some mindful. I get her into mindful eating. Close your eyes. Be quiet. Listen. Taste. Chew. Sensations. Textures. Sweet. Is it not ripe? Is it ripe? So it's like, that's a big thing too. So yeah, the gardening for me has been a big one and I aspire
00:46:00
Speaker
to like turn my, like half my backyard into a garden. Cause I don't care about grass. I don't really water it. I just cut it, which is a drag. But if I could just turn half, I have a big backyard too and feed like not just my immediate family, but my family family, just share. You know, cause obviously everyone shares if you have a garden around, you know, especially the suburbs or whatever, but like,
00:46:27
Speaker
It's just great, it's just such a beautiful thing to share food. Not only fresh food, but cooking, it's just such an awesome thing to do.
00:46:37
Speaker
Yeah, and that goes back to that experience you had in France or whatever. Yes. You know what I mean? That was the game changer. I fell in love with wine too. I spent a lot of years studying wine and buying a lot of bottles. Wine was a big passion for me. I was literally thinking like sommelier. Really? Even maybe trying to do it with the music. I spent a lot of bread, a lot of money.
00:47:05
Speaker
read a lot, did tests, tasted, and I was the kind of nerd who would taste and spit. I wasn't just getting juice and sauce. What I loved, because I was already a foodie at that point, is I was in the pairing.
00:47:23
Speaker
And of course, you know, everyone thinks wine, good wine is going to be a big red wine, but like a lot of the food that I was eating, I was vegetarian for the most part, was all white wines, lighter style wines. So I was doing a lot of like light style reds or whites and I fell in love with, you know, planks, coffee, love coffee, love wine. I don't drink as much wine these days, but... Do you drink on tour?
00:47:49
Speaker
Drink wine? Does that love wine? I used to more. I would be the guy who would get to the tour manager before the tour started and say, I would give him like the wine list. You know, I would, I was the supernude who would like list like the regions or, or, you know, the years or like, if he was like, Jill, we're going to get a special bottle this day. What do you want? I'd like, you know, go deep and pull out something really nice. But I was never a guy who would drink.
00:48:19
Speaker
before i played ever like i've made a couple of gigs i played drunk in my entire life like a couple maybe four or five i've been playing since i was you know thirteen or whatever yeah but uh... i never really drank maybe with the meal there's a lot of times you eat and you gotta go right on stage or something so i might have a glass of wine or a beer with a meal but that was seldom but i would never really drink
00:48:45
Speaker
uh before i went on stage and then i would usually drink if i was drinking wine especially in those days i was drinking a lot more wine i would drink after i came off um and these days i don't really drink very much i've i've actually started to get more into beer in the past year okay but uh i'm not really a heavy drinker and uh you know there was times where i would just quit drinking just
00:49:12
Speaker
to try it, not because I was drinking too much, but it was just maybe, you know, maybe it was, I think when I was vegan, when I did the shift with the whole yoga thing, I think I'd stopped drinking for three months. And not that I was even drinking very much at all, because I slowed down on the wine, and so I stopped drinking the whole time. And so, no, I don't really drink and play. I try to just keep it,
00:49:40
Speaker
I try to keep it real fluid you know in terms of like brain like you know the neurosynapses click and then they come right out the fingers to the instrument you know it's like I try to keep it real fluid I don't like too much affecting that. I would imagine food
00:50:01
Speaker
is a factor in that as well. Big time. I try to play empty on an empty stomach. Same with yoga. I don't practice like one or two hours. I don't usually imbibe in drinking or eating. I'll do some water, but I try to stay as clean and light as possible. And then afterwards, I'll eat something or whatever.
00:50:23
Speaker
yeah even on tour like another thing for me is i uh a lot of people a lot of bands they get like after show food it's like a pizza whatever's easy wings and it's like a lot of people get all bummed out about how they gain weight on tour like how do you like stay thin or this down the other so it's like i stopped not that i had a problem gaining weight because i never have really grateful for that but um i just didn't eat after midnight i just
00:50:52
Speaker
Even if I was hungry, I just made it a discipline. Because once you eat and you're about to go to bed, unless you go to bed at like 4 a.m., maybe you could eat something. But your body doesn't need food. It doesn't want to sit with food in its stomach and it just doesn't really know what to do with it. Food is information. It's also medicine, but it's fuel. It's sustenance. To eat
00:51:22
Speaker
like right before you go to bed within an hour or two, just doesn't really make any sense to me. So I kind of cut out eating, I mean, occasionally maybe once, there's no real rules, but like I had stopped pretty much eating after like, uh, after midnight, you know, because gigs are over, like, you know, anywhere between 10 and midnight or 1 a.m. So I, I just wouldn't eat after late, late nights. I would never do the pizza either. Cause or the wings, obviously, usually,
00:51:54
Speaker
I'm not going to curse, but crappy food when you get late night food tends to be pretty crappy, so I would have no use for it. It wasn't helping me in any way, really. Bad decisions tend to get made, I think, later into the night, the earlier in the morning, maybe the more alcohol with some people gets involved.
00:52:16
Speaker
normally where the poor decisions with diet get made and that people potentially might regret. Yeah, and you know I've even gone through periods where I've
00:52:28
Speaker
not eaten for 16 hours a day and done my food in an eight hour period. So typically I would try to have all my food done by 8 p.m. and not eat again until noon of the next day. And I would do a pretty heavy workout in the morning and just have water and wait till noon to kind of break that mini fast.
00:52:49
Speaker
so you're actively doing intermittent fasting or is it just like you're trying to decrease inflammation like what's the reason you're doing that I got this information because someone that actually we were on tour and the band that was opening up for us for the whole tour these were some intense fitness guys okay yeah these guys were
00:53:12
Speaker
Definitely most of the bands that I've toured with they were up there with like being super into fitness. Yeah, cool and The lead singer Hit me to this man. He said you should try this if you feel good
00:53:27
Speaker
And I was already on that trip in terms of what you're saying about not eating at night and really trying to cut that out just because I don't want my body digesting food in the night and I want that to be a time when I'm resting for my body to be able to focus on other things. And so I took it to this next level which was just almost just as a challenge and to see how it made me feel and he thought that you could benefit more from your workouts.
00:53:55
Speaker
And that your body, when you get that blast of nutrients, will maximize the nutrients. Other sides of it, for sure. And I'm sure there's knowledgeable people out there that could chime in right now that would contrast that information and say, no, no, no, actually this is how it works. But you know, it's just something that I tried out and actually it felt good. I've taken it to a level now where
00:54:22
Speaker
I eat light in the morning. It's mostly all smoothies and some fruit. I'm on the same path, to be honest. I'm on the same path. I do dinner.
00:54:31
Speaker
You know, if I'm home and I'm not doing a gig, I try to be in bed when, like, my wife's a teacher. My wife goes to bed, so we all go to bed. I try to be in bed, like, as early as I can. Unless I'm working on something in the basement sometimes, you know, working on music or out at a gig, I try to, if I can get, like, 10 hours of sleep,
00:54:54
Speaker
Awesome, so I eat dinner at like six or seven in bed by 8.30, eight, whatever, nine, doesn't matter. So I don't eat for a couple hours before I go to bed, a couple, few hours. And then I usually practice yoga in the mornings. So I'll wake up with them like 6 a.m., 5.30, whatever, 6.30. And then I'll practice usually around seven, 7.30 sometimes. And so we're already at like 10.
00:55:23
Speaker
And then I'll have a smoothie, usually some sort of green smoothie or whatever. It doesn't have to be green, but I'll do smoothies. Water, though, first thing in the morning, I do always start with water. It's important to get digestion going. And if I am going to eat, I'll do some sort of prebiotic or something to get the
00:55:41
Speaker
to get the belly ready for digestion. I'll do like a bite or two of banana, something like that's an actual prebiotic that gets things ready to digest. It's like information, you know? But yeah, I'm on a similar path with you on that too.
00:55:58
Speaker
the light lighter green smoothie but getting it all in too in that doing the smoothies just happens to be in a blended form and it's easier to digest with all the maximum nutrients like nothing nothing against juicing or anything but uh you just you're just losing on so much fiber and so many of the other nutrients that get uh taken out when you lose all the fiber and the skins and whatnot but i totally agree
00:56:25
Speaker
I love juices. They're delicious, you know? Vegetable and fruit, but I do like the smoothies, so I've been doing it. Especially going to the garden, maybe that night or that morning, cutting the kale or whatever, the chard or spinach and boom. That's great. Let's check one of Joe's more punk influenced track, Terror to the Butchers.
Morning Rituals on Tour
00:57:10
Speaker
What's a morning like when you're on tour? You said before, sort of, the cycling, but... Is there a morning ritual? Would you even say you have that? On tour? Yeah. Is breathing and meditation ever a part of it? Kind of getting a sense for how you roll on tour. It is at home. And on tour?
00:57:29
Speaker
It's funny because I haven't really toured much in the past year. There's been about a year that I haven't really been on the road. And previous to that, you were on the road for 10... More. Yeah, the years straight. Like 14 years or something. Straight, yeah. Tours were like, wake up in the bunk. You know, I'd usually...
00:57:53
Speaker
I have the phone out, open it up, see what's going on, some emails and stuff. Not that that had to happen first thing, but I would get out the phone and find where I'm going to bike to. Because when I stopped to where I saw the bike, so I would get the bike out. I'd literally, I'd pull the bike out first thing. Step out, drink water.
00:58:16
Speaker
Say hi to whoever's up, usually not many people. Bus driver, maybe sit in the front if we're still rolling for a little bit, take that in, then land. Get ready, have all the clothes, boom. Pull the bike out, bike. That was my meditation, that was my centering. There's usually, I couldn't find enough space. I wasn't sitting, and by sitting I mean meditation,
00:58:43
Speaker
at that point too much starting my day with a meditation of sitting meditation so much as I am more so these days in the past year or year and a half so I wasn't doing a lot of pranayama or breathing practices and there wasn't really even space when you're on a bus it's just difficult if you're in a hotel room
00:59:03
Speaker
There was times where I would start meditation and sit on the bed and I would just sit and do like, you know, some sort of meditation practice where I would just do like a vipassana or some sort of seated meditation. But sometimes, and I'm not a big coffee guy, on tour. I do like to drink coffee on tour, but I would do a lot more coffees when I lived in Brooklyn, because we're so spoiled here with good coffee.
00:59:32
Speaker
But when I go on tour, I would almost, not quit coffee, but I would stop it in the mornings, because I didn't want to rely on that jolt of caffeine. And I never really have, but I didn't want it to make a crux. So I would not be the guy going to find the Starbucks or the third wave coffee shop first thing in the morning.
00:59:53
Speaker
Now, that being said, if we were all going to go there, I would probably have a coffee, but that was never really a part of my first morning ritual. But more so, the meditation and the yoga has been a big part of it. Even if I was in a hotel room, I would just lay the mat out, lay a towel out or a mat, whatever I would have with me.
01:00:19
Speaker
And I would do some sort of stretch, even if it wasn't a full sequence of a practice, I would do some sort of asana, some sort of stretching, posture, yoga, even if it was just seated, I would do something like that. But water, trying to maybe catch my wife, if I'm, you know, in the morning, kid, say good morning, have a good day, you know.
01:00:46
Speaker
Maybe just sitting with thoughts. It wouldn't happen every morning with just some sort of gratitude. I don't really have a journal. I don't do any real journaling, but just a mental journal.
01:01:01
Speaker
Really grateful to be sharing my art every day like today and then wherever I am and And there's only X amount of days to till I get home and I'm gonna see that awesome Yoga teacher at the studio and I'm gonna hopefully eat there and you know, so just reflecting on what was and what is trying to be present as possible but
01:01:27
Speaker
Yeah, there hasn't been a very specific routine for me on the road as far as morning rituals versus what there has been of me being at home. Right. It's way more of a thing at home than it's been ever on the road for me. Cool. The only thing for me on the road, like I said, would be the bike first thing. I would just get the bike out usually in the mornings and be gone.
01:01:51
Speaker
That's an awesome morning. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good ritual. And looking forward for you in your life, whether it's health, spirituality, yoga, music, do you have any goals that you're like working towards sort of long-term stuff you could talk about a little bit?
Future Aspirations in Yoga & Cooking
01:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think the goals, there's always goals.
01:02:16
Speaker
And I think they're always changing for me. I always think of new things that I aspire to do. I do want to continue to share my art, my music, the food that I make. I do like the prospect of doing more cooking classes and sharing that knowledge and sort of like helping people understand
01:02:47
Speaker
that cooking doesn't have to be a process of strife and struggle and suffer. I don't think that a lot of people really know how to cook well. And not fancy, but just cook and understand how to cook or how to prepare. Because we all have our staples.
01:03:12
Speaker
It takes a little bit of discipline. It takes a little bit of commitment and drive to step up. But once you do, I feel like once you open it up,
01:03:22
Speaker
You know, maybe it's just about going to the library and checking out five books, you know, then returning them and getting another five. But it's like, I want to share the food thing more, and I want to share it through cooking, you know. And, you know, I'm really an nutrition, so sharing how the food is, what benefits you get by eating this, that, and the other, the certain way.
01:03:43
Speaker
I do want to do more cooking classes and I do want to share, you know, I'm a yoga instructor so I teach and so I aspire to teach more. And I've thought about trying to teach more while I'm on the road. I've actually been asked by a couple people to, hey, are you in town? I see you're coming into town. Can you maybe teach a class or?
01:04:06
Speaker
something like that or maybe even, you know, people have asked me to do some cooking classes, but it's never really worked out time-wise or would not, but I aspire to do that. It's about finding the balance for me. Could I ask you real quick how you've benefited from teaching yoga and going through that process of the teacher training and how you've benefited from
01:04:34
Speaker
being in that role versus just being a dedicated yoga practitioner? Completely different role. Learning how to hold space for someone and just be present and not knowing what someone's going through, but hoping that your intention
01:05:01
Speaker
And whether that could be silent, it could be words you say, or it could be an adjustment. It could be an adjustment by just laying a hand on someone. Just a physical touch. The words you say, or just sitting in silence, like looking at someone's posture, or where they're at, it's super heavy.
01:05:23
Speaker
Having that experience is completely different than being on a mat and practicing. Even if you have a great practice and there's no ego involved, you're not like competing with the person next to you or when you're on your space, when you're on your mat and you're in your own space versus leading a class, seeing every individual, giving someone
01:05:52
Speaker
the courage to try something new, step out of their comfort zone, empowering them, or vice versa, telling them to be okay to not go further, or be okay with where you're at now. It's a lot of responsibility, but it's been one of the most healing things I've ever experienced, like next to
01:06:17
Speaker
sharing my, you know, playing a concert, an amazing concert for somebody for whether it's 10 or 10,000 people, it's like I could just be doing yoga one-on-one and have that experience, you know. And when you say healing, healing for you or healing for... Healing for both, man. It's palpable when you...
01:06:36
Speaker
When you could tell someone had a great class at the end of like, you know, most yoga practice end with a shavasana, which is like usually on your back, still in meditation, silent. And when you come out of that, you bring a class out of a shavasana and you end, usually seated or however you end the class, everything, then you come back into your body, come back into your breath,
01:07:06
Speaker
And when you're in Shavasana, you let everything go. So I'm not sure for listeners who are listening, if you're doing a yoga practice, you're doing all these stretches. And in the end, the whole goal of the practice is to be able to sit at the end of the practice in stillness, in meditation. And usually that posture is called Shavasana. So when you're in Shavasana and you let the breath go, you let the physicality go, you let the stretching go, and you're just laying there completely still with your own
01:07:36
Speaker
Space use your eyes closed and you when you bring the class out of that and you can feel the energy in the room and People people don't really even need to say anything. It's just you might get some thank yous a collapse, but That's just it's just such a beautiful thing to give
01:07:58
Speaker
to give back, to give someone that practice, to give them that space, that direction. Because as a yoga teacher, I'm not a guru, and I'm not someone who says, my way or the highway, I'm just sort of like a guide. This is a way to do something. And maybe I'll help you make an adjustment, and if it doesn't look right, are you hurting yourself? Or I think that you could be hurting yourself.
01:08:27
Speaker
or hurting others around you, but it's just about giving someone permission to experience themselves in their own body, in their own space, at their own pace
01:08:48
Speaker
at a certain moment in time. Because in yoga, right, you always want to be present. And present happens every single second. Every second it goes by as presence. And so, yeah, the feeling that you get, because I've been on both ends, as a teacher and as a practitioner, after a great class,
01:09:09
Speaker
It's like playing a great concert. It's a very similar fit. Obviously there's a little more adrenaline for me. If I'm on the drums, I play some super intense concert for tons of people versus me coming out of meditation. But the feeling is similar, the overall feeling. And so it's just a beautiful thing to give. In the end, that's what we're doing, right? You're either giving love,
01:09:37
Speaker
or you're receiving it, you're asking for it or you're giving it. Because that's all that really happens. You're just giving it or you're asking for it or receiving it. And so, I like to give. I'm a giver these days. But it's reciprocal, right? True. You know, the best shows are the ones where there's a...
01:10:02
Speaker
an energy going back and forth. I love going back and forth. And you know, although different discipline from yoga is really cool to see how in your mind frame there's some parallels there, being a teacher and being a drummer.
01:10:20
Speaker
Super cool, Joe. Yeah, man. Man, I really appreciate your time. I'm honored to have you. I'm grateful to be here. In my home. Yeah, man. Beautiful. Thank you for having me. It's been a privilege. I'm good to connect again. Yeah, man. And real quick, before we finish up, do you want to shout out anywhere where our listeners can find you on social media or your music or anything that you might want people to check out?
01:10:46
Speaker
Yeah, if you just type my name in, I come up, you know, joetomino.com, you know, Instagram, joetomino, Facebook, joetomino, the whole thing, Twitter. Yeah, I'm not hard to find. Beautiful, man. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, brother. This has been awesome. Yeah, man. Peace. Peace. Yes, sir.
01:11:14
Speaker
What a cool way to kick off the Torganic podcast with Joe Tamino. Please let me know what you thought of the show by heading over to iTunes and giving it a rating and a comment. And if you dug it, subscribe to the show as well. Check back next week for the next episode. And until then, peace.