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matt: Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of Apocalypse Duds. I am your co-host, Matt Smith.
Conor Fowler: And I'm the other co-host, Connor Fowler. Woo-woo!
matt: And we have a fucking banger of a show today. um When we say things have been long in the making, we're very rarely actually embellishing that, although occasionally we do.
matt: um And when we say our guests are special, we always mean it. However, These two things collided heavily for the guest we have in studio. He's a busy man doing the damn thing all the fucking time since, like, I think 96.
matt: You can correct me if I'm wrong.
Nate: Yeah, a little earlier.
matt: Yeah, a little earlier. little earlier.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: ah But, ah yeah, I had the great pleasure of introducing a longtime homie, a close horse, an avid skateboarder, um and a member of Channel, Jesuit, Convert,
matt: Cave In, Old Man Gloom, and Doom Riders, and probably many other projects I'm forgetting about. He's always been cool as fuck, and his music means a lot to me.
matt: And yeah, I'm happy to welcome Nate Newton.
Nate: What's up? Thanks for having me guys.
matt: Yeah, dude. Yeah. ah
Conor Fowler: Welcome.
matt: Yeah, it's been... yeah
Conor Fowler: We've been talking about this show since the since our show started.
matt: Right, right. Yeah.
Nate: Oh, well, I'm glad that we made it happen. I'm sorry. We were supposed to do it a little while back and I couldn't, like last second I had to bail and it felt so bad about it.
matt: No,
Nate: I'm sorry.
Conor Fowler: Oh, no, man.
matt: no, no it's it is all good. um Yeah, I think also i went back and listened to like the Hardcore episode with you and the first ever podcast episode, and I think Jeremy said ah the dude with the best genes in hardcore, which made me laugh uncontrollably.
Nate: but Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Humble, humble, humble.
Nate: um I may have i may have like gotten some other people to spend more money on jeans than they had originally wanted to.
matt: Hey, but you know that it works and you're, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Conor Fowler: You lead by example.
matt: You're, you're, you're turning people onto cool shit. So that's how it should be.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: and it's ah And it's sustainable shit too, right?
Nate: I like cool shit.
Conor Fowler: Like the jeans are made by adults. They're not made in like a weird place with children.
Nate: Yeah.
Nate: That's true. You know, they're not made, made by or out of children.
Conor Fowler: And so that's
Conor Fowler: exactly.
Nate: um
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: And that's very important.
Nate: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, I'm sure you guys are the same. It's ah like, people are always like, my fucking genes are always just falling apart. I'm like, well, just spend more money on something good.
matt: Yeah, but buy some nice jeans and yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: You know, but I mean, if you can, if you can, I mean, I, you know,
matt: Or like go to a thrift store, you know.
Nate: Go to a thrift store. That's it.
matt: Like, I think my first raw jeans were rustlers from Walmart in the 90s, you know. Like, I didn't know what raw denim was, but like they held up to my, you know, BMX riding and other various shit, like.
Nate: Yeah.
Nate: I was all about the rustlers, but I did the same, like probably my first raw jeans as well, but I yeah didn't realize that you aren't supposed to put them in the washer and the dryer.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: Yep.
Nate: And like, I was like, these are awesome. I love them And then watched them. And then I was like, whoa, yeah these are who, what baby do these belong to?
matt: Yeah, yeah. ah
Conor Fowler: And now they're child genes. Yeah.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Right, yeah. And fun fact, that denim is woven up the road from my hometown. So still to this day.
Nate: No, no way. That's, that's cool.
matt: Yeah, it's the ah Mount Vernon Mills is the name now, but it's I think it's the second biggest denim mill in the world.
Nate: That's cool, man.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Rustlers still hold up, man. He can't really beat them.
matt: They do. They do. like i My dad hates the idea of buying anything secondhand, but he's like a 30th.
Conor Fowler: Dude, that is so fucking funny. I can't believe that that has never come up on the show before.
matt: Well, but so sorry, buying clothes secondhand.
Conor Fowler: Even still, that's wild.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: i feel like from from you, from like the the lineage does not make sense.
matt: Yeah, i don't I don't get it.
Nate: Honestly, I feel like that's a boomer thing because...
matt: I mean, oh, it definitely is. It definitely is.
Conor Fowler: Oh yeah.
Nate: Because my, you know, like my family is the same. they're Why would you buy that? Why wouldn't you just get a new pair? And I'm like, because these, because this costs 85 cents and it's brand new still.
Conor Fowler: Right.
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: You know, we'll wear somebody else's clothes.
Nate: Like, why not? Why wouldn't I, you know?
matt: Yeah, yeah. And he's a 33, 28, I think, or maybe 29, which like Walmart sometimes carries. But I'm just like, yo, i can I can literally find you enough of these to last the rest of your life in a day or two.
matt: And yeah. Anyway, that's enough.
Conor Fowler: it's a pride It's a pride thing. It's whatever.
matt: yeah i don't know what it is that's enough about my weird ass dad um so yeah nate dude thanks for coming on um to get started where are you from and where are you now
Nate: I am from Virginia Beach, Virginia, and i am now in Ipswich, Massachusetts.
matt: okay and how far is it switched from boston
Nate: Mileage-wise, I think it's like 25 miles or something. um But it takes about an hour to get there if you're driving.
matt: Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Nate: Everything here, take like, you look at the mileage and then it it just... whatever you think it's going to be, it's going to be twice that.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: Cause it's all like, you know, residential roads and stuff.
matt: Totally. Yeah, what what's weird is like Massachusetts could fit basically in the Atlanta metro area, but it takes so long to go from like Boston to Western Mass.
Nate: It's yeah. I mean like driving out to Worcester from here, i don't know when I was younger, I'd be like, yeah, I'll drive anywhere. Let's go. You know, like overnight drive to go to a show or overnight drive to like go skate something. And now I'm like, what's there?
matt: Right.
Nate: that's that's That's an hour and a half. No way.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, dude.
Nate: I'm not doing that.
Conor Fowler: That's my shit. Because Matt is always talking some like, oh, no, it's only eight hours. It's just an eight hour drive. I mean, and I'm like, eight hours for me would get me to Atlanta, basically.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I drove over the weekend, like, ah sourcing and picking. i think me and my best friend, Eleanor, drove like 750 miles in three
Conor Fowler: Yeah, that's so wild.
matt: three days, you know, but like we didn't even leave Georgia, which is the wildest part.
Nate: That's,
Nate: yeah, that's, that's, that's rad though. I mean, I will do, I still do it all the time because I'm in a touring band, you know, multiple touring bands.
matt: Right. Right. also Yeah.
Nate: But ah yeah, but like, yeah, if it's, hey, you want to go do this thing?
matt: I was going to say many short bands.
Nate: And I'm like, where is it? No.
matt: Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
Nate: I'll get home after 8 p.m. I don't want to do that.
matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: It's very refreshing to hear you say that because I feel that way also, and I'm not a famous musician, but
Nate: Well, I don't know I'm famous, but ah yeah.
Conor Fowler: Well, you are a musician of renown. You're a respected musician.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Whoa, respected. well
Conor Fowler: Right? there Well, it's like converge Converge is a band that people who like don't necessarily even like metal or hardcore like.
Nate: who what
Nate: Yeah, I guess that's true.
matt: yeah it's it Honestly, to piggyback on that, ah I've been telling Eleanor to listen to this record, and to the new record, Love Is Not Enough, which I think is probably going be my record of the year.
Nate: Oh, thank you
matt: ah And we put it on while we were picking. And, you know, yeah um we're stopping every half mile. And so we ended up listening to that for like four hours. And she was hyped on it.
matt: So...
Nate: That's a lot of repeats because that is a short record.
matt: yeah Yeah, it's like a 30-minute record, but like, yeah, yeah.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: it ah
Nate: Well, that's that's cool. Thank you.
matt: It gave us some energy. Sometimes, like, you know, we we always vary what we listen to when we're picking together, but I needed something to to kind of like kick my ass and get me into gear.
Nate: When you're out in you know in the in the throes of whatever you're doing, like sometimes listening to like the mellow stuff, but just you're like, I ah can't do this.
matt: So it was a good one for that.
matt: ah So, Nate, what came first? Love of music? Love of music or love of clothes?
Nate: Yeah. like i got I need something to like keep me going.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, it's at the urgency again. i mean, it's like about the, I don't know, it's about the tempo, I think.
Nate: absolutely. Heck yeah.
Conor Fowler: So um I was going to ask what came first, the music or the clothes?
Nate: Well, I wore clothes before I played music.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: You did?
Nate: ah Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Well, I mean a fascination with music or a fascination with clothing.
Nate: I guess music, but I think they're kind of intertwined, to be honest, because yeah, like when I was ah when i was a little kid,
matt: Totally.
Conor Fowler: Can you say more about that? Really?
Nate: like, you know, five.
Nate: My favorite record on earth was the Grease soundtrack. And, yeah.
Conor Fowler: really
Nate: And, I mean, I still love the Grease soundtrack, but, like, yeah.
Conor Fowler: it's a great it is It's got, as the musicals go, that is one full of joy and like...
Nate: But, like, I always was, like, just obsessed with how they dressed, you know?
matt: Totally, totally.
Conor Fowler: i
Nate: And, like, it all kind of ties together because you know, my, my grandfather was a country Western musician and we always had like, um, old country records and rockabilly records in the house. And I'd always be looking at them and be like, look how cool they're dressed.
Nate: And then like couple years later, the Stray Cats became talk popular and like Stray Cats became my favorite band. And I just wanted to look like them, you know?
matt: Dude, i'm I'm so happy you brought those Stray Cats.
Nate: And,
Nate: Like, Rant and Rave is top five record for me, for sure.
matt: Dude, it's one that I bought very early in my musical journey at like a used record store. And I had it until I sold my records a few years ago.
Nate: Yeah, I still listen to that record regularly.
matt: Are you going to go see them this year?
Nate: Like, I want to if they come near me.
matt: Yeah, they they announced the tour, and I don't think there's anywhere in the South, which is such a bummer.
Nate: That is a bummer. yeah Honestly, though, I'll probably miss it anyways, because I miss everything. I'm always on the road.
matt: Yeah, for sure.
Nate: um But so, like, I think that also drew me to punk a little bit. You know, like, being into that style of music and then also, like, the...
Nate: the fashion that came along with it. It like punk also had its own sort of fashion sense. And so that made me interested in clothing, but like, absolutely it was, you know, I mean, you can draw a line from like Link Ray straight to the punk scene.
matt: And a lot of punk was influenced by that stuff.
Conor Fowler: Right.
matt: Holy shit.
Conor Fowler: Rumble.
matt: I was literally thinking the exact same thing.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: That's rad. But yeah, like it wasn't until I was a little bit older,
Conor Fowler: so yeah
Nate: you know, like middle school going into high school where I had like really genuinely was like wanting to know what all the clothes were, you know, I just up and, you know what I mean?
Nate: It was just like, I just have a pair of jeans and and my sneakers and a t-shirt that my parents gave me.
Conor Fowler: yeah yeah
matt: Right.
Nate: and And then it was like, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I think it's bullshit when um people are like, I've been into this shit since I was five years old. you know, like, you only have so much agency as a five-year-old.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: I work with them professionally.
Nate: Yeah, I mean, like I was into skateboarding, i was into surfing and I was into music and like those are the things that informed pretty much my entire life, the way I dress, the way I think, the way I view the world, everything.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: And yeah, i I guess really what what um what changed, or not changed, but like what kind of hooked me in was
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: I couldn't have i can afford to buy clothes, you know, like, I, especially like when I was a teenager, you know, in the in the late 80s, early 90s, it was like the style and skateboarding and and hardcore and punk, everyone was wearing like, you know, plan B, like just big jeans and stuff and like,
Conor Fowler: yeah
Nate: cross colors and like I couldn't afford that.
matt: Right.
Nate: And so, yeah,
Conor Fowler: Because it was like the beginning of skateboards commodification.
Nate: well, the I would say the second beginning of that, you know, cause it died and and then it was starting to change again and kind of have a rebirth.
Conor Fowler: Sure. Sure.
Nate: But, um, I, or maybe actually the third, yeah, the seventies, the eighties and then the nineties. But, um, it was like,
Nate: going to thrift stores, you know? And that was also kind of the, just the, the aesthetic and and punk and hardcore back then as well was like just wearing shit you found in a thrift store. And i couldn't afford to go buy new pair of jeans or whatever. So like I would go the thrift store up the road and buy a pair of old Levi's. And that was kind of, I think that was what started my interest in in clothing and and kind of knowing about that stuff because I remember when I finally got a job and I had enough money i was like I'm going to buy a new pair of jeans I'm so stoked
Conor Fowler: what were you What were you doing, if I might ask?
Nate: first job was like it was i worked for a lawn service like you know cutting cutting grass and then
Conor Fowler: Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hard shit.
Nate: Uh, like, yeah. And like fast food.
Conor Fowler: Hard shit in the outdoors. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Nate: Yeah. Just all the shit jobs that teenagers have, you know?
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
Nate: Um, but I was like, all right, I'm going to finally buy a brand new pair of Levi's, you know? Cause I, I had all the ones, I had my favorite ones from the thrift store and they were all falling apart. And so I was like, cool, I'm going to go get a new pair of Levi's. And I was like, I bought them.
Nate: And I was just because I knew i I thought I knew my size and everything got a pair.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: And I was like, the hell are these? These aren't the same. Like, these suck.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: And I didn't know what anything was called or anything. And I remember like, you know, I found out later, like, oh, I was buying like old salvage Levi's.
matt: right.
Nate: you know, and, and like, why didn't they fit the same as these new ones?
matt: right
Nate: And I'm opening them up. I'm like, why does, why is this, this different? Like it's the materials different, the stitching's different, you know, like it, it, that was kind of what, what led me down that path.
Nate: Um,
matt: Can you imagine if we had known anything back then? Like the internet wasn't a thing, you know, like, like nobody was, you know, like there was nothing written maybe in Japan about this stuff, but like we could be.
Nate: dude,
Nate: I had things that were worth so much money.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: like and like And I just didn't even know. I was like, oh, cool. Friend would come over. That's cool. You can have it, man. It was a quarter. you know or like Or I would just destroy it, wear it into the ground, or I'd cut it up.
matt: Right. Right. Yeah.
Nate: or you know All kinds of stuff.
matt: Dude, I got rid of all my t-shirts in 2013 because they weren't worth anything.
Nate: Whatever.
matt: I just like gave them away, you know, and like I had, I had so many Nirvana 90s shirts that I'd thrifted or gotten for like less than $10, you know, like not just for junior shit, helmet stuff.
Nate: Oh, yeah.
Nate: Oh, dude.
matt: And I'm just like, i you know, I worked at a second hand store when we, when you and I met and I was just like, I got this stuff for nothing.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: And now, you know, Now some of those shirts are worth like $1,000. Just like...
Nate: I mean, I feel like that whole thing is so inflated and then blown out of proportion.
matt: Oh, it's fucking ridiculous.
Nate: Like,
matt: Totally.
Conor Fowler: Isn't it like kind of over also? I mean,
matt: ah Yeah, it seems like the the bubble has kind of burst on that kind of shit.
Conor Fowler: how that like Walmart is doing Guns N' Roses t-shirts and stuff, I mean, it just is like, yeah, but it's about saturation.
matt: I mean, they they Walmart and Target been doing that shit. But, you know, like, it's just... It's just a bummer that, like, also i gave that shit away when I should have just kept it and, like, you know, worn it later on.
matt: i don't know. I was just...
Nate: Yeah, I mean, i think about I think about stuff like that all the time, and I'm just like, actually, who cares?
matt: You're getting those moves.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, dude, you can't.
matt: Yeah, I don't...
Nate: That's just stuff, you know?
Conor Fowler: i was alive one not If I was alive on 9-11 and I knew about it, I could have stopped it. No, probably not.
matt: My favorite Nirvana shirt I gave to a homie, it was an in-utero, like, parking lot boot that I got for, I think, $9. And, like, he's going to keep that forever.
matt: And he loves, you know, he's got a ah fuck fucking Nirvana lyrics.
Nate: Yeah, that's,
matt: And I'm like, okay, this this makes sense.
Nate: yeah, that's cool.
matt: I don't... know
Nate: I mean, that was one of the ones though, that I was like, Nirvana shirts, people selling them for like three, $400. And I'm like, that was a shirt that you can get literally anywhere.
Nate: There are thousands and thousands of those shirts.
matt: Yeah. Probably...
Nate: It's not, yeah.
matt: Probably millions, honestly.
Nate: It's like, that's, yeah.
matt: i felt that That heart-shaped box shirt, which I think is is hideous, like I could have gotten that at Media Play or Hot Topic or wherever the fuck in 1996.
Nate: Yeah, and I'm like, come on, man. That's not even a cool shirt, you know?
matt: Right, right. Yeah, yeah.
Nate: And I love Nirvana.
matt: Totally. Yeah, same, same. like The Incesticide shirt is sick.
Nate: But... Yeah.
matt: With the the cover on the front.
Conor Fowler: The circles circles of hell shirt that like you can't find anymore.
matt: The Circles of Hell shirt, yeah.
Conor Fowler: That's a great one.
matt: Yeah, there's so many good ones, and that's the hyped one? Like, get the fuck out of here.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: They had great, great merch.
Nate: It's like... The stuff that I think is cool is the stuff that they were hardly in any of them made, you know?
matt: Totally. Totally.
Nate: But, you know, that's just me being a...
matt: what it what What is the coolest band shirt that you have? I remember selling you that COC shirt you know that you, I think, traded eventually. Like, I know you've got some cool shit.
Nate: Oh, yeah. The coolest band shirt I have?
matt: What do you think is the coolest band shirt you've had?
Nate: I don't even know, man. Like, um... Like, I've got... like original Misfits shirts. Um, I've got like original, it's like tons of Danzig shirts, um, government issue tour shirt, uh, a soul side shirt.
Nate: Like I've, yeah, it's, I've, it's pretty rare.
matt: That's gotta be like one of a hundred or something.
Nate: Like I have a lot of stuff like that. Like, um, lot of old hardcore shirts, uh,
matt: Right.
Nate: like, you know, blast tour shirts. I don't know, man. I've got lots of stuff that just,
Conor Fowler: You're curating.
Nate: it no, I think it's more just hoarding.
Conor Fowler: whatever. Yeah.
Nate: Like a lot of it is just stuff that I've had for, you know, for years and years and years and I don't wear it anymore because it's either going to fall apart.
Conor Fowler: Well, you would just get rid of it if you didn't care about it, right?
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: If it was but worthless.
Nate: Yeah. you know, it's the effort. Like that's, that's, that's the thing is like, I have so much stuff that is valuable that I can sell, but I'm like, then you have to do it.
Conor Fowler: Kind of.
matt: always Totally, totally.
Nate: You have to sell it and ship it and do all this stuff.
Conor Fowler: Take pictures of it.
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. yeah
matt: it's
Nate: I'm like, if you want to come over here and just be like, Hey, I'll, I'll, I'll buy all of this. I'd be like, all right, here, cool. Bye.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: know
matt: Yeah. I mean, it is kind of sick that you've kept on or kept a lot of the shit for so long at this point. Like, I think it was the first ever podcast that you were talking about, like the first skate shirt you bought or something and you've still got it.
Nate: Oh, yeah, I still have that. I mean, there there's stuff that has sentimental value that I'll never get rid of, you know.
matt: Yeah.
matt: Totally. Totally.
Nate: But ultimately, I still, it's just stuff. They're just things, you know.
matt: Right. Right.
Nate: Who cares? yeah
matt: Yeah. Well, what what was the first pair of Japanese denim that you got? Do you remember?
Nate: think they were, yeah, they were Ironheart.
matt: Nice.
Nate: Yeah, that was like when I kind of started learning about all that stuff. That was the the brand that I immediately was like, whoa, like this stuff's really cool.
Nate: It didn't seem like it was fashion-y as compared to some of the other ones.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: You know, was a little more, seemed a little more utilitarian or it was purpose-made, I guess, purpose-built.
matt: I mean,
matt: Right.
Nate: Um, and, uh, I think that's kind of what drew me to it. And then like, i loved the idea of heavyweight denim, you know, cause I, I was just so used to like destroying my jeans that I was like, I am, I, I've really, really destroy pants.
matt: Same, same.
matt: Yeah, I was going to say, you're you're probably pretty hard on your shit.
Nate: Um, and so, uh, Yeah, I was like, this is it. These are the ones. And then I saved money for a long time. And it took me, I'm sure the same with you and pretty much everyone else who's ever gotten into that stuff.
Nate: Like, it took me a very long time to just be able to give myself permission to pull the trigger on it because it's not cheap, you know.
matt: Yeah.
matt: Totally.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: Totally. i I bought my first pair in 2010 with my tax return and also bought some boots that I still have and wear.
Nate: Yeah, that's right.
matt: So that was like, yeah, yeah. that That pair sadly got cut off of me when I got stabbed.
Nate: i remember seeing the pictures of that.
matt: Yeah, yeah. did Dude, that was that was such a wild time. I've got an autographed shirt from Haraki... <unk>i
Nate: Haraki-san?
matt: yeah, yeah, that he sent to Kia that said, I hope the hurt guy feels better.
Nate: Ah, that's awesome.
matt: Yeah, I will, like, that's that's one of my prized possessions.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
matt: Like, I don't know, that whole community was such a cool, like, ah time capsule in, like, social media era.
Nate: Yeah, it was a lot smaller back then for sure.
matt: It was, it was. And it was a lot more, like, condensed, too.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Like, South Forum or Super Future, like the message board scene. I mean, I've still got friends that I made for Nat. Fuck year you.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: You know, like there's there's a lot of people that I met.
Nate: Me too, man.
matt: i don't know. Yeah, like.
Nate: It's wild. Like, it was like a really small community of that the people that were into that stuff back then.
matt: Totally.
Nate: They were they were like... 50 people, you know, like in the country that we're into it.
matt: Mm hmm.
Nate: And so it's definitely blown up and changed quite a bit.
matt: It has. It has. I will say like, it's still, you know, my friend champ owns guilty party in Atlanta. If you're ever in Atlanta, you should definitely shop there. It's not a pay promotion, but like, yeah, yeah.
Nate: I will. I know, I know champ. I'm i'm a fan.
matt: You know, like it, well, anyone ah listening should also shop there, but like it's, it's one of the more pure, i think like for lack of a better word, clothing communities, like everyone's just super into shit and like super supportive.
matt: And it was,
Nate: Totally.
matt: it's It's a stark contrast to a lot of other, like, you know, hashtag menswear kind of shit.
Nate: Yeah. Not into that.
matt: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, Connor and i both came out of that and ah in a way. Like, but...
Nate: Well, I think like just by virtue of liking the things that we like, you're gonna at least have a toe in that a little bit, you know, and
matt: Totally, totally.
Nate: Yeah, I kind of, after a little while, I was like, all right, this is not for me anymore. I like i still like what I like, but i kind of was like, yeah, I'm not going to.
Nate: This is blowing up too much, and it's not as it's just not my thing, you know?
matt: Totally, totally. And yeah, like I'm not, I'm not a message for a person anymore and I don't understand how discord works. So,
Conor Fowler: Yeah, yeah, it's gone in a weird way.
Nate: Oh, dude, I...
Conor Fowler: i mean, there was like a time where Instagram was kind of good. um Like, i guess before it was acquired by Meta, and then maybe even a little bit after that there was like some community there.
Conor Fowler: But now it's really like spread out. It's like very spread out.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Right.
Nate: Yeah. And like, one of the things that I initially really liked about Ironheart and a lot of the Japanese stuff was like, I don't really care about like showing off or showing off brands or any of that stuff.
matt: Totally.
Nate: And it was like low key kind of, you just wear the clothes and, you know, they fit and they worked well and they, you know, And if you knew what it was, you were like, oh, that's cool. Oh, you got one of those. Cool.
Nate: But like, at some point, it really got about like showing off what you've got and like, you know, like showing the label or or like where people wanted logos.
matt: Totally. Yeah.
Nate: And like, I don't want to wear a logo. Like, why would I do that?
matt: Right.
Nate: You know, like, I don't know. It's just not, it's it's not what I am into. So at some point,
matt: Yeah.
Nate: It really, we we've actually talked about this before. Like there's this thing with a lot of like the online menswear people where it's like, you don't look like you you're wearing your clothes. You look like your clothes are wearing you, you know?
matt: 100%.
Nate: And I'm not into that.
matt: No, no. It's, a yeah, it's, like, there's there's a point where you have to, like, realize that, like, if you don't look comfortable in something, you're not, you don't look cool.
matt: I don't care how expensive it is, how how rare it is. Like, you know, you and I were talking on Sunday about the kind of, like, you know, min vintage dorks that are just like, oh, I'm wearing fucking fifties work wearing a Stetson. And it's like, brah, you look like you have a costume on.
Nate: Yeah, you look like you have a costume on and you're about to go make a lot.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: Like you have no reason to be wearing other than look at me. and And again, i understand being into that stuff, but it's more like when you're wearing like this hyper curated look that looks like a costume as opposed to it just looks like that's those are your clothes.
matt: Exactly.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: You know what i mean? It's a fine line, but you can tell the difference.
matt: It really is.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: And some of the coolest people that exist on this planet have don't give a fuck like what they're wearing.
Nate: No.
matt: they just look you know They've had that same pair of overalls for 50 years. And they're like, yeah, this is sick.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Thank you.
Nate: Yeah. And I don't know, like you get these people that like they're head to toe, you know, like they're wearing they're everything they're wearing, you know, they're wearing $10,000 worth of clothes, you know, and you're just like, it's all pristine.
matt: Right.
Nate: and perfect looking and I'm like but you're wearing like it's supposed to be work wear like at least that's what it's styled as and like you're wearing like you know take off of a buco leather jacket like it's supposed to get beat up beat it up like it wear it yeah like it so you just look again you just look like you're in a costume it's like come on man looks silly
matt: Yeah.
matt: Yeah, yeah, right, right. Don't baby, your don't baby stuff.
matt: Right. Yeah. I've long said like clothes are meant to be worn and anything, you know, ah like my wardrobe is pretty small.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: I wear the same stuff all the time, but like I wear stuff that I know can handle whatever the fuck I'm going to do that day.
Nate: Yeah. And I mean, I, people are weird about like mixing brands or whatever.
matt: And,
Nate: I'm like, I don't fucking care, man. I'm like, right now I'm wearing a pair of Dickies duck carpenter pants that I've had for like, I don't even know how long, like,
Conor Fowler: Thank you.
matt: Dude, the best.
Nate: A decade.
matt: The best.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: and Except now they suck because they changed to that, like, Flex Canvas shit.
Nate: Oh, yeah. That stuff's gross. No thanks. But, I mean, like, that's the thing. It's it's just like, who cares, man? Like, just wear what works. If you look comfortable in your clothes and you're not sweating it, then you're going to look good.
Conor Fowler: Sage advice.
Nate: Yeah. Sage in advice. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. um So how did you come to the message board? Like, did see your friend tell you about it? Did you like?
Nate: Ironheart?
matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: I mean, it the the old Ironheart website was like very, very,
Nate: it's like there wasn't much to it. And so you would go there and like there wasn't a lot of info and it was hard to to kind of figure anything out about the stuff.
Conor Fowler: hmm.
Nate: And so it had a link to the message board right there. And it was kind of the only way to really, really learn about. about
Conor Fowler: interact yeah
Nate: Yeah, about their stuff. and And like Giles was like he would get back to you immediately, you know. And so that was kind of that that was kind of why.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: And then, you know, you start going through all the all of the posts and you're like, oh, man, there's a lot of cool stuff on here. And yeah, that was it. Just kind of became friends with a lot of people because of that website.
Nate: And yeah.
matt: Have you ever met Charles?
Nate: And here I am with Matt.
matt: ah right Right.
Nate: ah Yeah, I have.
matt: Oh, that's sick. I met his son at a guilty party a couple years ago.
Nate: Alex?
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah, awesome. they're all They're all great people. Yeah, Giles and Paula have come out to multiple Converge shows in the UK.
matt: Oh, that's fucking sick.
Nate: Yeah, they're great. They're they're super cool. um Yeah, and still in contact. Like, you know, whenever we're coming through, I'll be like, hey, man, we're going to going to be there if you guys want to come out. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
matt: Right, right. Yeah.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: i I've said often to like other people I know, the the clothing world and the hardcore punk world are very synonymous in a lot of ways.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: like Both good and bad. But like overall, I think it's it's like very positive.
Nate: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's been positive for me, you know, I've had very, very few negative interactions in, in that realm, you know,
matt: Yeah.
matt: Yeah, same. It's like we're all... like Whatever niche interest you're into, we're all nerds. about it. And, like, finding other nerds to talk to about this, this like, random thing is is always fun.
Nate: Absolutely.
Nate: Yeah.
Nate: It's, I mean, it's the same compulsion as like record collecting or like, you know, old skateboards or cast iron cookware, you know, like,
matt: Totally.
matt: Right. Ha ha!
Conor Fowler: it's it's the hunter-gatherer thing it's like deep you know you like to have your little rocks you're polishing your rocks you know
Nate: yeah, you just like,
Nate: Yeah. And half the time you don't even care about having this stuff. It's just, I found this.
Conor Fowler: right yeah and that's that's a big thing about the thrift store is the like the surprise of it i guess like the shock of like oh my god i found a ton of shit today
Nate: right, cool. Bye. Get rid of it now.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: Don't need it.
matt: Like...
Nate: Yeah. but Yeah.
matt: Oh, 100%.
Nate: That's always the best. It's funny, like how much it's changed though. You know, like,
Conor Fowler: Oh my God. Yeah.
matt: hundred percent i I bought one Harley shirt yesterday and like my town has no people in it. And there were like five others that were like mediocre. They were all seven bucks a piece too, which not my.
Nate: Yeah, that's wild.
matt: Yeah. Yeah. There was another one that I know.
Conor Fowler: Then bunch your fucking t-shirt at a thrift store.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: There was another one that, that I would have bought. ah They were all nineties and it had an engine on the front, but the back had that old Georgia flag with the the rebel flag as half of it.
Nate: Oh, yeah.
matt: It's like, I can't buy that and sell it.
Conor Fowler: Is Harley Davidson from Georgia?
matt: No, they're from fucking Michigan.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: But, you know, the different...
Conor Fowler: they just have They just have dedicated shit?
matt: t Well, the Harley the harley shirts would would have the dealer name on the back and then a design.
Conor Fowler: see.
Nate: yeah the Yeah, they were dealer specific.
Conor Fowler: i is
matt: And so, yeah, I went back today, all gone. And I was like, i you know, maybe a motorcycle dude bought them. That's very, true you know, very probably what happened.
matt: But just like,
Nate: Yeah. It was probably a Pinterest witch.
matt: Yeah, it could have been. Could have been too. But like I saw him first, so you take it.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: But yeah, thrifting is, I mean, even in the past eight years, nine years, like has changed dramatically.
Nate: It's crazy. you're just digging through and it's like, this is just nothing but fast fashion from the past 10 years, you know?
matt: Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I went to a Walmart or sorry, a Goodwill in South Georgia over the weekend that was literally in the same shopping center as a Walmart. And I was like, does does Walmart just cart over the shit that they take off the floor and don't want to sell?
Conor Fowler: Yes, they do.
Nate: think they do.
Conor Fowler: They do. They do.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: For sure they do. They sell it for pennies on the dollar and they have them in Goodwill. Like I was talking to someone at a Goodwill about it. Not like they know the corporate policy, but even so.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Well, and and now Goodwill has their auction site.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: Right. Right.
Nate: So it's like finding good stuff at at Goodwill is hard because they just, they know what to take out now and put on their website.
matt: Yeah. Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, Goodwill is pretty much unusable, or unhittable at this point.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Like, it's it's easily the worst Thrift Chain I can think of.
Nate: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah. and And it's, you know, especially here, man, like going to thrift stores here, it's like,
matt: Right.
Nate: I walk in and like, I don't even really sell stuff like vintage anymore. I just, if I'm going, I'm just looking for stuff that I would want. And like you walk in and you're, and you're just immediately like, Oh, okay.
Nate: There's, there's that person with looking for a single stitch t-shirts. There's that person over there, you know, like looking for nineties jeans and, um but everything's picked through now.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: And and like, it's It's pretty wild. I don't know.
matt: Yeah, yeah, it's a bummer.
Nate: but
Conor Fowler: It's rough.
matt: Right.
Nate: But, you know what?
Conor Fowler: People have good luck still.
Nate: It's still fun.
Conor Fowler: Some people do. But.
Nate: I mean, i I still find stuff every now and then, but it's not like it used to be where it was like, you could, because all the, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Oh, no.
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: You should be able to get like a trash bag full of stuff.
Nate: Well, and it the stuff that I'm most interested in it's been cycled through again. You know, it's it's like, it's, we're we're, we're decades past it now.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: We're like,
Conor Fowler: Oh, yeah.
Nate: You know, we're into stuff from 10 years ago now, which i don't want that.
matt: Right, yeah. I am not into stuff from 10 years ago.
Nate: i No.
matt: That's for goddamn sure.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: ah but I'll buy Y2K stuff if I think it's personally cool.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: But, that you know, I'm not like... I don't know. I don't want to champion that kind of bullshit.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, because it does like because it's the snake eating its tail.
Nate: No, me neither.
Conor Fowler: It's like.
matt: Yeah, pretty much. like I feel like we could do a series on the fact that like fashion is kind of lapping itself.
Nate: Yeah. It's...
Conor Fowler: which is inevitable, I think.
Nate: When I go to a thrift store now, I'm mostly looking for stuff I can use in my kitchen.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: Yeah, I mean, you...
Conor Fowler: Well, there there's still good stuff to be had in that realm, but, I mean, the clothing part is fucked.
Nate: You know?
matt: Totally, totally.
Nate: Oh, yeah.
matt: You know, you've been going hard with Cast Iron in the past couple of years.
Nate: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. That's like mine
Conor Fowler: What have you got? What is your favorite piece? Because I have, like, ah what I call the cast iron armada of, like, 20 pieces of cast iron.
matt: you guys You guys both need to come down south and just do, like, hit some yard sales one day, because...
Nate: I would love to do that.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, dude, that would be a blast.
matt: Yo, let me know. We'll figure it the fuck out.
Nate: Probably my favorite most used piece is a ah Wagner where a square skillet that I got like a 10 inch square skillet.
Conor Fowler: Nice.
Nate: I use that one all the time.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
Nate: But last week I found a brand new look, cause enameled skillet. And I was like, Oh my God. You know?
Conor Fowler: Yeah, dude, that's a fucking,
Nate: And like,
Conor Fowler: yeah
Nate: the The only other people in the in the store that cared were like old ladies. They were like, where did you find that?
matt: Ha ha ha ha ha!
Conor Fowler: What color? What color?
matt: it.
Nate: It's um almond, like the light like cream color, I guess.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, that's beautiful. That's awesome.
Nate: Yeah, I was like, but yeah, like I'm like, sorry lady, this is mine.
Conor Fowler: Do you know about Staub?
Nate: Oh yeah, it's good stuff.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, it really is. i sort somewhat recently discovered it, but they do amazing work with the forming of the cast iron. I mean, like, this is a Brussels sprout.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Like, just kind of crazy stuff.
Nate: Yeah, it's pretty awesome. I've got i've got a good ah a good collection of cast iron stuff going now. like Probably the coolest thing I have, the coolest piece I've found in a thrift store was a, I found an eerie griddle.
Nate: It was like from like 1895 or something.
Conor Fowler: Nice.
matt: Oh, holy shit.
Nate: And then I've got a um ah Griswold waffle iron.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
Nate: That's really cool.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: But yeah.
Conor Fowler: It just is so much. it Weirdly, like people don't get it. It just is so much better than cooking on other stuff. Yeah.
Nate: I mean, i don't know if it is or if it isn't. I just enjoy it. like And it's the same.
Conor Fowler: I think in certain applications, you can't argue that it's better. Like if you need to sear a steak, it's better.
Nate: Well, yeah.
Conor Fowler: If you're doing breakfast, it's probably better.
Nate: Yeah. Probably. I think for me, it's it's the same thing as thrifting clothes where it's just like, I love the idea of finding this thing that someone discarded that
Nate: that I'll have forever, you know, and I'll keep using and it's not going to go in a landfill.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: It's not going to, I'm not going contribute to buying, you know, more fucking nonstick chemical plastic garbage, you know, and it's, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Classic. Right.
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: Like that will ruin your sperm count.
matt: I really wish...
Conor Fowler: like
matt: I wish I was a food person and that I could appreciate this stuff and learn about it. Because I know basically nothing about like kitchen shit.
Conor Fowler: Matt, you could understand it because it retains heat better.
matt: I mean, I get that. But like like this you know the seasoning and the...
Conor Fowler: Right? So it just stays hot longer than other shit. and
Conor Fowler: It's overblown.
matt: cross yeah
Conor Fowler: It's overblown.
Nate: It's easy.
Conor Fowler: you don't have to do that kind of shit.
Nate: It's easy. i can show you how to do that.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: okay yeah
Nate: Honestly, it's just cool. ah Just finding it is cool. it looks The old stuff just looks cool.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: You're like, this is a cool pan.
Conor Fowler: When you figure they use that shit the Oregon Trail, they didn't baby it.
matt: Oh yeah, totally. of it I agree with that.
Nate: I'm just going to buy this because...
Conor Fowler: As we were talking about earlier, they didn't baby their cast iron.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: Like they put lard on it.
matt: I mean, i'm like, there's a company in Tennessee, I'm blanking on the name, that like makes a ton of cast iron stuff and, you know, that's their their big claim to fame. And it's not too far from me.
matt: I've driven by it a fucking thousand times. But like...
Nate: Is it like Smithy or something?
matt: Ah, fuck. Hold on. I'm gonna have to... I'm gonna have to Google this. But they have like a big shop right off...
Conor Fowler: You're right. You're right. I think it is Smithy anyway. That's the result.
Nate: Smithy Ironworks?
Conor Fowler: Yeah, that's the result for Tennessee cast iron.
Nate: They make good stuff.
matt: Oh, uh... Lodge also is the one I'm thinking of.
Nate: Oh yeah, Lodge is like the, you know, yeah, that's like the Harley Davidson of cast iron cookware.
Conor Fowler: Oh, yeah. That's the big dog.
matt: Right. Right. Yeah. And I know this and I just like, I've never, I've never used one. I've never really known how it works. Like I'm just not a, I'm not a food person.
Nate: then it doesn't matter.
matt: So yeah.
Nate: You know?
Conor Fowler: Yeah, right?
matt: I mean, I could grill, I could grill my weirdo peanut butter sandwich combinations in it.
Nate: it Again, man it's...
Conor Fowler: you know about You know about tons of shit.
matt: That would be enough for me.
Conor Fowler: Yo, and that would be brilliant on a skillet. I mean...
Nate: You should...
matt: bet it would.
Conor Fowler: Right?
matt: I bet it would.
Nate: There you go.
matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: Again, man, it's just like record collecting.
matt: That's a,
Nate: It's like, who I found 1945 Three Nots Lodge today.
matt: Right, right, yeah.
Nate: And people are just like, what does that mean? They're like, nothing. Nothing.
Conor Fowler: right ah
matt: I mean, like, of our...
Conor Fowler: That's and that is the that is the quote of the episode. Like that's because because what does it fucking matter that you're like sleeves are showing a little bit out of your jacket?
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: What does it matter? The button positions? It doesn't matter.
Nate: It doesn't matter.
Conor Fowler: But we care about that kind of shit.
Nate: Do you like it?
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah. Do you like it? Yes. Cool.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: Then there you go.
matt: Yeah, totally.
Conor Fowler: Then it's good here.
matt: thats That's how everything should be. like that's That is how I approach vintage.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: you know if i If I think it's cool, and I think...
Nate: Yeah.
matt: you know I don't even necessarily think, like is someone going to buy this? I think, this is fucking rad. And I'm buying it for a couple of bucks at a yard sale from someone that is trying to make a few dollars. like Cool. All right.
Nate: There you go, man. I mean, I think what you're doing with vintage is really cool too. Like I, am you know, I, I see, you know, I see what you're selling online.
matt: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
Nate: I'm always like, Oh man, I wish I was down there. I would go into that flea market where he is, you know, like, but, yeah and then you, I mean, you get messages from me all the time.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: Like what, how much you asking for that? Give me, what is that?
matt: Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've we've done some good solid fucking trades over the years.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: i'm like ah i'm so like
Nate: Yeah.
matt: The way I approach my my business and Probably to my detriment at a point, but like, I just want to get cool shit into the hands of people that appreciate it And that's, you know, like, that's how vintage should be.
Nate: Totally.
matt: And that's how clothing in general should be.
Nate: Yeah. Like, yeah, when I was really doing a lot of thrifting and selling stuff, like I was less interested in getting top dollar for it and more interested in making sure it went to, to the right steward, you know?
matt: hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah, I'm also, like, ah you and I are both also cheap as fuck. Like, I'm not going to pay, a you know, I'm not going to pay $300 for something I can make $100 on.
Nate: Oh,
matt: Like, that's ridiculous.
Nate: no way. No, that's silly.
matt: Like, I want to go, like, dig in, you know, some old lady's house or, like, you know, some person at a yard sale. Like, that's, or a thrift store.
matt: Like, gross, dinchy thrift stores.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: That's the fun part.
Nate: Yeah. Yeah. Like I've found brown, a few Browns beach jackets that way.
matt: Right.
matt: Right.
Nate: And then like, I've had other people be like, Hey, my neighbor has a Browns beach jacket. He said he'd sell it. And I'm like, cool. What does he want? And, and, you know, then you know that the guy Googled it.
Nate: And then he's like, he's he's asking $200.
matt: Right.
Nate: I'm like, nope.
matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: Like, I don't want that.
matt: Which, which like if I had 200 bucks to spend on something, you know, that's a decent profit margin, but that's not, that's not fun.
Nate: No. it's the The whole point is digging and finding it, you know?
matt: Yeah, totally. Totally. Like I, over the weekend, I saw a bunch of woodland camo, which I love and you know, I'm i always hyped when people buy camo stuff, but it's like a basic thing.
matt: And I'm not going to pay 10 bucks a pair for it. You know, like just not, that's not how things work.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: You know, I regularly.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: Yeah. We were just talking about this, actually. We were talking, I was talking about like, like my, one of my favorite pieces of clothing ever, like the old army wool field shirts, you know, with like the big pockets and everything like those that's, I've owned so many of those.
matt: Yeah. Yeah.
matt: Right. Right.
Nate: And those were like, $5 pieces at any surplus store and like now you see you see like 20 something vintage sellers that have them online for $100 I'm like what are you doing like i don't know but
Conor Fowler: right
matt: yeah Yeah. Yeah. it's I never want to be that old man that yells at Cloud Simpsons character, but like sometimes you you just gotta be like, yo, come on.
matt: Like, what the fuck?
Nate: yeah well not all it's like you can find those anywhere but more importantly I'm like
Nate: when you know they're going to a surplus store and buying them all out, you're like, you're that you're killing the entire purpose of why a surplus store exists. You know, that's so that people who can't afford the stuff can go there and and actually get things that are going to be useful.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: And like, it's the same with thrift stores raising their prices.
matt: Totally.
Nate: I'm like, and it the thrift stores raise their prices because they go online and they, they see how how much people are paying for stuff online.
matt: Yep.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: One, it's more money to the church, which is another thing that I was going to mention about the thrift stores being fucked up is there used to be tons of them, at least here.
Conor Fowler: And now there are none of them. So you used to be able to go to like six or eight in a day.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: And now it's like you can't do that at all.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: So it's.
Nate: you You might have a Sabres or a Salvation Army, you know.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, if you're lucky.
matt: Yeah, and Savers has closed almost all of the value villages around Atlanta, which is such a bummer.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah. Yeah. Like the, the mom and pop thrift stores are, they're closing up everywhere and it's too bad because those are the ones where you go in and you find legitimately weird stuff and you're, you know, those are my favorite ones.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: And that's the other thing is just the random weirdo shit.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Where can you go to find that type of stuff? You can't go anywhere.
Nate: Yeah. Yeah, that's like my favorite part of going to thrift stores, you know, it's like, I just found a ceramic pickle.
Conor Fowler: Oh yeah, my God.
Conor Fowler: Right, exactly.
Nate: It's so cool.
Conor Fowler: Matt that gave me this Matryoshka doll that is nesting, so like Russian nesting dolls with all of the Soviet premieres on it.
Nate: Yeah, there you go.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: Where are you going to fucking find that?
Nate: Totally. Yeah, here, as a matter of fact, here.
matt: Yeah. Let's
Nate: Like a mannequin hand? What?
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: Where can you get them? you know like
Conor Fowler: Seriously.
Nate: or Or like, a or or here, I'll turn this around.
Conor Fowler: it just is It just is a shame.
matt: let's
Nate: Or or like ah just a big ceramic hand.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
Nate: You know, like that's that's the best part of going to thrift stores is just finding weird stuff, you know?
matt: say
matt: Right.
matt: Totally.
Conor Fowler: I found a life size horse's head candle.
Nate: Life size?
Conor Fowler: It was like, yes, it was like this big and it was a horse's head.
Nate: Did you buy it?
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I had it in my house and I i guess it was lost when I got evicted, but what a fucking find. I mean, I have a, I have a picture of it.
Nate: Did you light it?
Conor Fowler: No, of course not.
Nate: Oh, man, it would have looked so cool melted down.
Conor Fowler: Of course not.
matt: Yeah, seriously, i would love a pitch for this.
Conor Fowler: Well, cause see that's, that's the divide, right? Like, cause I, Matt is like side-eyeing me when, uh, you guys are saying don't baby your shit. Cause I kind of baby my shit, but like the candle, I'm not going to burn the big candle.
Nate: Whatever. if it's It's yours, though.
Conor Fowler: Like that's like a don't touch this button.
Nate: Yeah, I mean, I understand, like, that that whole, like, I will never be able to find this again vibe, but, yeah, so you should have just done it.
Conor Fowler: Right. And now it's gone anyway. but Right. I should have lit it. Yay.
Nate: Yeah, I mean, like, you can see back there, like, you know, like, roller derby skateboards and just all kinds of weird stuff back there.
Conor Fowler: I'm sure you've got a ton of stuff, man. I mean, well, cause you've just been touring the world, right?
Nate: i have...
Nate: Yeah, i'm we're borderlineed borderline hoarders over here.
Conor Fowler: just, just been touring the world. Right, yeah. So you could probably be living a worse life than you are.
Nate: I mean, i'm I'm not complaining, but um yeah, but I just, that's the best is just going out and finding weird stuff, you know, clothes, everything, you know?
Conor Fowler: Yeah, hell yeah.
matt: Totally.
matt: but Where has been like the best shopping or thrifting like for cool, rad shit on tour for you?
Nate: on tour. Oh man.
matt: Yeah, like do you thrift on tour?
Nate: Yeah, sometimes like ay when I'm on the road, like I kind of, I live by the, my my motto is live heavy, travel light.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: So like, I like what, like when I go on the road, I bring two pairs of Dickies and like three t-shirts and
matt: Okay, get it. I get it.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: ah like no matter how long I'm gone, you know, like I pack super light and, uh, and just figure it out as I'm going. And so I, I smell bad, but, um, but you know, every now and then we'll have a day off or, or like we'll be in an area where it's like, I can walk around and there's some stuff around here.
Conor Fowler: i'
Nate: And I, you know, you can find stuff every now and then, uh, one of the coolest things, finds I ever had we were in Cleveland and I went to this thrift store and somebody had just dumped a collection of like vintage rock t-shirts and and I was like I started going through the aisle and I was you know going through the rack and I'm like Molly Hatchet tour shirt wow that's cool
matt: Oh, shit.
matt: Oh, damn, yeah.
Nate: ah Throw that on my shoulder, like, and I just kept going and kept, and I was like, oh my God. Like, I, I think I bought like 30 shirts and like, they were all like a dollar, $2.
Nate: But the sickest one, there was a, um, a parliament. shirt, like ah an action from the record label, like a ah parliament three quarter sleeve shirt.
Nate: And I was like, I have never even seen one of these before. Like, this is insane.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
Nate: And so like, that was one of the coolest things I ever, I have ever found on tour. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: In Cleveland, of all places.
Nate: yeah Well, Cleveland rocks, you know,
Conor Fowler: Right?
matt: Right, right, right.
Conor Fowler: Right.
matt: what ah What era of Parkland was that?
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: the parliament, it was seventies.
matt: Yeah. Shit.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: That's hardcore.
Nate: Yeah. It was like, it was insane. Um, what else? yeah Yeah. There was so much good stuff and I could not believe it. Like, I think it was probably like a radio DJ or something.
Nate: It's just, yeah.
matt: It's got to, it had to be. had to be.
Nate: Um, and, but I've found all kinds of stuff, man. Like I, uh, at the Goodwill up in like a Goodwill up in New Hampshire one time, I just was, I randomly stopped in there and someone had dumped an entire record collection and it was insane.
Nate: Like, like punk records, like government issue records.
Conor Fowler: Oh, yeah. Right.
Nate: And like, yeah, like I was, oh my God.
matt: holy right
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: Like, you know, I found stuff that was worth hundreds of dollars, you know, like per record. And, I couldn't believe it. And I, it's, I'm sure you've had those moments where you're like in the thrift store and you'd like, Oh god And you're like looking around, like, does anyone see this?
matt: yeah oh 100 yeah
Conor Fowler: right
Nate: You know?
Conor Fowler: yep
Nate: And I just walked out with a stack of records that, you know, was worth a couple of thousand dollars for, you know, 30 bucks or whatever. Um, yeah.
matt: Man, that, yeah, that that's a dream.
Nate: Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's never going to happen again. Yeah.
matt: Right, right, yeah.
Nate: But, um, But it was it was pretty cool. so and And actually, at that same one, I found someone, I'm
Nate: b blanking right now, but somebody dumped a whole bunch of, like, 70s reggae records, too, that were all in, like, perfect condition.
matt: Oh, that's probably equally as rare as a lot of the punk records.
Conor Fowler: Oh, wow.
Nate: Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Conor Fowler: For sure.
Nate: I was like, whoa, dude. And so I grabbed all those. But yeah.
matt: That's fucking awesome.
Nate: And then then they're just then they're just all sitting in sitting over there and doing nothing.
matt: Yeah, that's part of the reason I sold my collection. Like, years ago, my buddy was opening a shop, and I was just like, dude, I haven't had a working record player in a decade. Like,
Nate: I did that.
matt: Why?
Nate: i I did the same thing. like Now it would be 16 ago. um
matt: Oh, God, yeah.
Nate: I sold my entire record collection to Ben from Drop Dead for Armageddon Shop. And he he just came over to my house with his van, took everything and gave me a check.
Nate: And I was like, thank you. Cause I don't, we were, we were going to move.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: And I didn't want to move all that all that stuff again. and And I just didn't like,
matt: Right.
Nate: I go through these periods of just not caring about anything I own. I'm like, just get rid of it. I don't care. Get it out of here.
matt: Yeah, same, same.
Nate: And
matt: lot of times i I'll just be like, I have too much stuff.
Nate: yeah.
matt: And it's like something doesn't need to sit on the shelf when someone else can appreciate it.
Nate: And
Nate: yeah, I basically, have um I like look at things and I'm like, have I touched this in the past two years?
Conor Fowler: I'm there. Yeah.
Nate: No, it's out of here. And so I did that and
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: put the money towards the down payment on our house. And so, yeah, so it was worth it.
matt: Right. Yeah. Oh, I remember this period, I think. So.
Nate: But then, like, I don't know, I didn't have a record player for years. And then actually Jake from Converge one day was just like, hey, I've got you know, I've got a Techniques 1200 just sitting here because I got a new turntable. You want it? And I was like, yeah, sure.
matt: Right.
Nate: And I set it set it up and was like, oh, I, like, I still had a couple of records and I was listening to them and I was like, man, forgot how much I enjoy this. And then it's like, oh, I'm buying records again.
Nate: And now, now I'm surrounded by them and i listen to like a quarter of them, you know.
matt: yeah
matt: But also, you're one of those dudes that, like, you're not jaded on music at this point. And, like, you know, I feel like a record player suits you. You listen to shit.
Nate: Yeah, I do. I do.
matt: Yeah. And, ah the the like, I've been buying CDs again, which is great. And, like, I bought... ah The, fuck, what was the name of it?
matt: the The, like, No Alternative, I think. No, not No Alternative. It was, like, the the record that had Pearl Jam, Last Kiss, and Ranch Against Machine that goes to Tom Joad on it.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
matt: It was, like, for ko for Kosovo refugees back in the 90s.
Nate: Oh yeah.
Nate: Yeah, I remember that.
matt: Like, I bought that on Saturday, and I was like, fuck, man, I had this as a kid. I need this again. You know.
Nate: That's the best Rage Against the Machine song.
matt: ah Dude, it that video blew my fucking mind the first time I heard it.
Nate: I love, like, that riff is so good.
matt: Oh, it's so good. And like, I had no idea who Tom Joad was. I was not a Spring...
Nate: Yeah.
matt: I wasn't a Springsteen fan at that point. Like, now I'm a Springsteen superfan.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: But I was like, I need i need to own this again.
Nate: Yeah, it's cool, man. Sometimes just revisiting that stuff is it's awesome.
matt: Yeah, yeah. And like, it's different than streaming.
Nate: You know
matt: Like, you put a put a CD in, put a tape in. you know, like, it's it's more enjoyable.
Nate: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: They're not going to play you dog shit at the end of it.
Nate: The ritual.
matt: Well, also, like, I love listening to the radio because, outside of the commercials, just having, like, hearing a Stones song on the radio is different than me going to Apple Music and, like, putting on sticky sticky fingers and putting on a song I want to hear.
Nate: And picking it. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, because it's – yeah.
Nate: Yeah, i mean, that was the thing about growing up with the radio. It was like, the song came on, you're like, oh, this is on, hold on.
matt: Totally! Totally! It's got some... Yeah, yeah!
Nate: Not changing the station, you know, like,
matt: Like, I'm not changing the station or I'm going to try to record it, you know, on a tape.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Like it's.
Nate: Or like you'd be driving and you would get to where you're driving you're like not getting out of the car until this song's over.
matt: Yeah, totally.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: You know?
matt: Totally. I love that feeling. Like the, the port on my phone doesn't work for, uh, for like, you know, playing through a tape.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: So I'm just like, okay, like I'm in radio mode. I'm cool with that.
Nate: That's fun. And I mean, like with with listening to records, it's like there's ah the ritual of like
matt: Yeah.
matt: Yes.
Nate: pick keep picking it up and like, higher I'm putting it on the record player. I'm going to listen. And like, it's not as passive as just streaming music. You know, it's like you have, you purposely physically done this thing that you're going to, now I'm going to sit and listen to it.
matt: Totally.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: And like, I,
matt: Yeah. And ah I'm not trying to fan void, but ah at like 1230, the day that Love is Not Enough was released, I did that.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: I put it on and I listened to it. I actively, i didn't scroll, i didn't look at anything for 30 minutes.
Nate: Oh, well, thank you for that.
matt: And I was just like, yeah. Like this, I was so excited to hear it and just kind yeah.
Nate: That's, that's what we were going for.
Conor Fowler: and
Nate: You know, like, um it's four minutes longer than Rain and Blood, you know, and like, we were, that's,
matt: Right, right. Rated Blood is another one that I can just put on and concentrate on.
Nate: That was our point, like with this record, where like, I just want to make a record that you put on and you don't want to turn it off. And as soon it ends, as soon as it ends, you want to press play again, you know?
matt: Dude.
matt: Yep. Yep. I have listened to it probably 30 times since it came out.
Nate: Well, thank you. That's awesome.
matt: Yeah. Yeah. It's, ah it, it, like, again, don't want a fanboy, but like it jumped, it's in my top five of Converge records. And, you know,
Nate: Wow. Well, that means a lot. um
matt: Cool.
Nate: I'm grateful for that. Thank you.
matt: I can't wait to see it live.
Nate: Me too.
matt: ah
Nate: but
matt: um Okay. So I guess couple of last questions. ah We, we have asked a few people this um and I want to know what your answer is, but your top five hardcore records.
Nate: Top five hardcore records.
matt: Oh, so we have one. i have i personally have one more small question and then one one last question. but
Nate: You can ask as many questions as you want.
matt: so to
Nate: It's all good.
Conor Fowler: Haha.
Nate: All right. Top five hardcore records. I'm going to go with the Embrace LP. um And then Brains, Rock for Light.
matt: Yeah! Wait, so so I'm not the only one that prefers Rock for Light to the self-title?
Nate: Maybe.
Nate: but i guess not. I think Rock for Light's better. And like the the reggae tracks are better.
matt: Yeah, same.
Nate: like I feel like it's way more feral. like the The performances are just like just ripping. you know
matt: Yeah, also the production is better.
Nate: and and i i love every I love every Bad Brains record, but Rock for Light is the one that's the one that was like hooked me.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: you know I was like, this is the greatest band I've ever heard in my life.
matt: Right.
Nate: um Then maybe
Nate: um might have to go with Integrity, those who fear tomorrow.
matt: Okay, alright.
Nate: um
Nate: Like, I don't want to go to DC heavy, but maybe Faith-Voyd split.
matt: Yeah!
Nate: And then, um
Nate: that's four. What's number five? Like, now it's like, oh, wait, I'm thinking of 300 other records that could easily...
matt: I mean, it's hard to narrow it down.
Nate: Yeah. um I mean...
Nate: Black Flag damaged? I don't know.
matt: Okay.
Nate: I mean, like, I'm definitely a first wave guy. You know, like, even even though I came up in the 90s and, like, there are a lot of...
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Nate: second and third wave hardcore bands that I that i love. Like I still, oh you know, no, I'm going to go negative approach tied down.
matt: Okay, all right, all right. do Wait, do do you know ah John?
Nate: I've met him. I wouldn't say I know him.
matt: Okay.
Nate: You know, we, we've like, we played um one of the neurosis 30th anniversary shows together. And we were sharing a, like a green room.
Nate: and he was just telling the coolest stories. i was I was like, I'm just like, I just want to sit here and listen to you talk all night long.
matt: Oh, I can only imagine.
matt: He seems super personable.
Nate: He's really, really cool. He's really funny. um
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Nate: You know, he was talking about, I remember, I don't know how we got on the subject, but Foo Fighters came up for some reason, and he was like, i just, I can't believe it's that guy.
Nate: Like, that's the guy.
Conor Fowler: Wow, that's hysterical.
Nate: And ah that's the guy that's like, ah you know, that's like, the he used to sleep on my floor. He slept on my floor. You know, and i'm I just thought that was really cool. he He wasn't like dissing him.
Nate: He was just like, it's crazy that this kid that slept on my floor is like the biggest rock star in the world now.
matt: Oh, yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, that that would have been like Scream era for Dave Grohl.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: And like, I think he described him as the new drummer of Scream.
matt: love that
Nate: right
Conor Fowler: wow that's hysterical
Nate: Which, yeah, I was like, that is awesome. um
matt: yeah i love the
Nate: yeah he
Conor Fowler: It's so weird to think of DC as a punk place too. I mean, I know of course it was, and to a certain extent it is, but it still is like bizarre.
Conor Fowler: I mean, i don't know how much time you've spent in DC, like, but yeah, I don't know.
Nate: I've spent a lot of time in D.C.
Conor Fowler: It's quite gray these days.
Nate: it's it's It's a weird town. It's always been a weird town. But
Conor Fowler: Yeah. Extremely. So maybe it does make sense that it's like the hardcore nucleus. Yeah.
Nate: Yeah, I mean, it's it's certainly one of them. um
Conor Fowler: Right.
Nate: Like, i mean, growing up in Virginia, like, I kind of worshipped DC hardcore. You know, that was like, you know I feel like you have people that worship New York hardcore and people that worship DC hardcore.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: I was a DC hardcore guy. and I mean, not to say I don't love New York hardcore bands as well, but, like, I'm definitely, i mean, it depends on the era.
Conor Fowler: I'm in the D.C. camp too.
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: New York is too macho, in my opinion.
Nate: for sure. But um i I understand that.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
Nate: I understand why why people feel that way. I mean, I think the the thing that's really interesting about that dichotomy is DC hardcore, like even though it, well, both of those scenes were like heavily influenced by bad brains, but in different ways.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: um But like, DC hardcore were, you know, it was primarily made up of kids who, you know, had money and had, it came from families, like people's parents were diplomats and you know what I mean?
Conor Fowler: Right. Right. Right.
Nate: And like, not, not all of them, of course, but like you were coming from more of a, of a mindset where, you know, creating art and music was,
Nate: an easier thing to do because you didn't have to worry about how you're going have food on the table. Whereas a lot of the New York hardcore people were legitimately like poor people. And some of them were homeless. Some of them were street people.
Nate: And so their whole attitude about it was completely different, you know, and they, they lived in an environment where being aggressive was, you know, kind of,
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Nate: part of it. You had to be to survive.
Conor Fowler: That is an enlightened perspective.
Nate: Yeah. So it it is interesting how those two environments took the same sort of influences, like, you know, a band like the Bad Brains and took them in completely different directions.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, it's amazing.
matt: Right.
Nate: So, yeah.
matt: Right. Yeah.
Nate: All right.
matt: the
Nate: So other questions, what are they?
matt: Okay. So, like I said, and i re-listened to your interview with Jeremy. um You wrote the fucking...
Nate: I don't even remember what I said.
matt: You wrote the heaven in her arms. Moshrif?
Nate: ah did.
matt: Sorry, that was Hard War, not Jeremy. But...
Nate: ah yeah, I did write down.
matt: man. That's my favorite Converge song. And like that that, like that's such a huge inspiration that me and the bases in my band connected with ah originally.
matt: Like, God damn it.
Nate: Oh, thank you.
matt: I had no idea.
Nate: Yeah, I did it. It was me. I did it. Just jamming.
matt: That's one of the, that's one of the fucking,
Nate: Jamming in my room.
matt: Dude, one of the hardest mosh parts of all time. And like it's it is not like Hatebreed, but like there's melody and like you know difference you know different kind of shit in it.
Nate: Oh, well.
matt: That's it.
Nate: Thank you.
Conor Fowler: There's different kinds of shit in it.
matt: Yeah, like like it's it's it's so hard, but it has like it has notes in it.
Nate: if
Conor Fowler: No, but that's really understood. Yeah, I mean...
matt: It's not just like a chunk of chunk of riff.
Nate: I put some notes in there.
matt: yeah ella Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nate: so
matt: I don't know. I had to get that out of my system. But, of course, but of course.
Nate: I appreciate it man. Thank you.
matt: ah And for the last question, what are you wearing in the apocalypse?
Nate: Okay.
Nate: In the apocalypse.
matt: Yeah, like like shit goes to hell, even more so, and and we're in like a Mad Max situation. What are you grabbing?
Nate: Oh, so like the Pockyclips, as they say in Beyond Thunderdome.
matt: The apocalypse. Yes. yeah
Conor Fowler: Right. Yeah.
Nate: Not the religious version of the apocalypse, in which case I'd be like, yeah, I'm just taking it all off.
matt: No, no.
Nate: Who cares?
matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Conor Fowler: yeah
Nate: Burn me up.
matt: I mean, you can take it all off if that's your thing, but.
Nate: ah um yeah Like, I'd probably wear these same Dickies carpenter pants I've been wearing every day for the past few months and on and off for years.
Nate: Uh, probably a pair of Blundstones cause those are just my everyday shit kickers.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Nate: Um, you know, uh, I don't know.
Nate: A t-shirt. yeah
matt: Right,
Nate: Yeah. Carhartt jacket or something that that I'm not too worried about getting ripped open.
matt: right.
Nate: And, uh,
matt: Right.
Nate: a hat, a baseball hat that fits on my head. i don't know.
Conor Fowler: very practical very practical i mean listen the the there have been other answers to this that are varying degrees of detail so if you think people have not gone off the deep end with this shit i mean they have
Nate: I got it.
matt: Right, right, yeah.
Nate: I believe it.
Nate: Oh, I believe that they have. I'm just like, what, what is practical? All right. These pants, they have pockets.
Conor Fowler: yeah well and you're kind of fucked it anyway
Nate: Yeah, they got pockets. These boots, that and that they'll you know they're going to work. they like They're just, yeah, they're workhorses. Yeah, it's really just what what is a workhorse. You know what I'd wear?
Nate: I would wear, um
Nate: I would not wear a car horn jacket. I would wear it my A2 deck jacket.
matt: jack dragon. All right. All right.
Nate: Yeah. I'll pick, I'm A2 over N1.
matt: Yeah, same, same. It's got the chest pocket.
Nate: Yeah, it's way more utilitarian.
matt: Yeah, same, same.
Nate: So A2 deck jacket, um and then like a baseball hat that fits my giant head because like one out of every 15 hats fits my stupid giant misshapen head.
matt: Dude, I feel it.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
Nate: And then...
matt: I feel it.
Nate: and then
matt: Wait, what hat size are you?
Nate: What hat size?
matt: You like how fitted.
Nate: Seven five eighths, seven and three quarters.
matt: Yeah, same. Same. They suck. It sucks.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Trying to find vintage hats.
Nate: Yeah. And like, I don't even mess with fitted hats because even if I get one, it's like, it just doesn't fit right.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Like I, I like like old K brand hats and stuff like that, you know?
matt: Yeah, Cabran, old polo hats are great for big heads.
Nate: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
matt: Yeah, my ah my buddy Will has a seven and three quarter head. And I found a Daisy Mae a few years ago. And I was like, dude, take it. the You're never going to find one.
Nate: I still have one that I got from you. The the same size.
matt: so shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: I forgot about that.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Yeah, that one's like a, that's a classic. I put that one on when I go to the beach and people are like looking at you.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Like, what is that? ah like, if you only knew how cool this is.
matt: it looks It looks like... sweet Right, right. Also, it looks less weird than the, like, capital version with the strap and the the buckle and shit. Like, yeah, yeah.
Nate: too much. Oh, and then, ah you know what? And then I would also wear a, I've got like one of those 1950s, like Korean War ah field shirts, like the two pocket one, like the sateen ones.
matt: Okay, yeah.
Nate: it was and Those are like indestructible.
matt: Right, right.
Nate: to ah and rock
matt: Oh, totally, totally.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Oh, man.
Nate: That's, I would just look like a homeless veteran. Yeah.
matt: Yeah, I mean, basically the same.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Connor and I have both answered this question, and our our one thing that we had in common was an M51 fish shark. Because you could use that shit as a tent if need be.
Nate: Oh, yeah, classic.
Nate: That's a good one.
Conor Fowler: Uh, well, I think Matt is back.
Nate: Did we lose him?
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Oh, there he is.
matt: Good. Yeah. I don't know what happened. My internet sucks.
Nate: Yeah, it's all good.
matt: Sorry.
Nate: Yeah, it's that's something like that.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: You know, nothing too crazy. Basically, it's stuff I wear all the time anyways.
matt: Right. Right.
Nate: You know?
matt: Uh, out curiosity, have you had influence on your bandmates as far as like clothing goes?
Nate: definitely Jake.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Like I, I fully turned Jake onto Ironheart and like he and I are always like, Hey man, you see those new flavors? You see, you know, I think I might get this.
matt: and That's awesome. Because Jake's wife also has a vintage business, right?
Nate: Yeah. She has a vintage store, which she, when I do sell a vintage stuff, I usually, I just bring it to her shop.
matt: Yeah.
matt: Yeah, it's Diamonds and Rust, right?
Nate: Yeah.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: It's usually
matt: I've followed her forever.
Nate: Oh, she's it's a great shop, man. And she's she's got a really good eye. So, like, I usually sell stuff through her or my friend Luke, who owns a vintage store. Used to be in Brooklyn, but now it's in – he moved it up into upstate New York, and it's called Luddite Antiques.
matt: Oh, yeah. Yeah, you've told about that before.
Nate: Yeah. So he's he's, like, the stuff the stuff that I – when I find something that I'm, like, right? This is worth money. He, he, it goes to him. But if I'm like, this is cool. And I know someone would be into this. It goes to Janelle.
matt: Yeah, totally.
Nate: Like, um, a couple years ago, uh, went to, a yard sale and, ah ah there was a trunk and I opened it up and there was a, uh, I couldn't believe this man. There was a, um,
Nate: a Langlitz green label, um, cascade jacket. Like, I don't know if you're familiar with Langlitz leathers out in Portland, Oregon.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Nate: So a green label. So it was from like 1948.
matt: Right.
Nate: And, I was like, Oh my God, I couldn't believe it was too small for me. i was so bummed, but I mean, the thing was gorgeous. And, uh, I, you know, I asked about it and, uh, the, the guy selling, it was like, oh, that was my brother's, you know, he, he got it after he came back from world war II or whatever, came back from the war.
Nate: Maybe that was the Korean. I don't know what year was, but, um, it was a green label. So it was in the forties. And, uh, he was like, i don't know, how's a hundred bucks. And I was like, yeah, yes.
matt: Yeah, totally.
Nate: And, uh, And then that i sold i took to to Luddite eventually, and he sold it to a vintage dealer that comes over from Japan. And and it made a lot of money on that jacket.
matt: yeah yeah.
Nate: But I honestly, if it had been my size, I never would have gotten rid of that thing.
matt: Obviously.
Nate: i Like I wanted it to fit me so bad, but it yeah, it was too small.
matt: Was it too small? Yeah, yeah. Like, something i don't think a lot of people realize is, like, soldiers from, you know, the, like, early 1900s to Vietnam were basically children.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: So, yeah.
Conor Fowler: They've always been children. what do you mean?
matt: Yeah, yeah, they were, like, 18, 19, 20, know. you know
Nate: Yeah. it's It's funny because like, you know, I've had that conversation. it it took me a while to put to put two and two together in that where where it was like, why is all this good vintage stuff like, why are all the jackets like size 38?
Nate: Why can't I wear any of them?
matt: Right. Right.
Nate: And we're like, oh, he was this person was 19 years old. You know, like, yeah.
matt: Yeah. 100%.
Nate: So.
Conor Fowler: RIP. Reprisal.
Nate: R.I.P.
matt: RIP. Uh, well, Nate, dude, this has been fucking awesome. Um, yeah, it's great having you on the show and just being able to to nerd out about shit.
matt: But, uh,
Nate: I will nerd out with you anytime. You know that.
matt: Yeah, fuck yeah. We'll have you back on. Just just do a Nate Newton like report every now and again.
Nate: Yeah, sure.
Conor Fowler: reprisal
Nate: Whatever. I had a blast on.
matt: When you're not on the road.
Nate: Thank you for having me. Seriously.
matt: course Of course. um Tell everyone where they can find you, your band, e etc.
Nate: Uh, you can find me in a, at the, at the skate park or, well, we didn't, or honestly, let less so at the skate park and more likely behind the shopping center with a, just skating a curb with, with a, with a bunch of other old dudes.
Conor Fowler: ah
matt: We didn't even get into skating! God damn.
matt: Yeah, doing slappies.
Nate: Um, Or you can find me on tour with Converge um throughout April and May. ah Converge and Poison the Well will be on tour in the States.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Old Man Gloom is going to be doing a bunch of shows this year as well.
matt: Shit, yeah! yeah
Nate: um Yeah, just the cave-in will, like Adam had shoulder surgery, so he's just now getting to the point where he can play guitar again. So cave-in will start playing shows again soon.
Nate: And yeah.
matt: Fuck yeah.
Nate: And yeah, just, you can, you just see me out there, man.
matt: Just see, yeah.
Conor Fowler: ah
matt: See him out there. Nate is one of the coolest dudes you will, you will talk to and yeah. Conversion rules. Oh my God rules. Cave in fucking rules.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Thank you very much.
matt: Of course. Of course. um Everyone, you can find us at a pocket of studs on Instagram. podcaststuds at gmail.com. Send us a record recommendation.
matt: like Me and Connor listen to shit. you know bit we
Nate: You want a record recommendation from me?
matt: yeah let's Let's hear it. Yes.
Nate: so no, i was that ah just addressed to your to your audience, or was that or were you asking me?
matt: that was That was addressed to everyone, you' included. so Give us a rec.
Nate: New record?
matt: ah
Nate: New record or old record?
matt: Let's do one of each.
Nate: Okay. a New record. First thing that pops into my head, new hardcore record is Well, now it's from last year, but Stress Positions, Human Zoo.
matt: Oh, yeah. I've been meeting and listening to them since they played Sound Stay Fest.
Nate: They are hands down my favorite current hardcore band, like without question. Just absolutely feral.
matt: Hell yes.
Nate: Like,
matt: Yeah, I've heard a song or two, and they seem fucking sick.
Nate: savage weirdos is how I describe them.
matt: Savage Weirdos.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
matt: All right.
Nate: Yeah.
matt: All right. Down.
Nate: um And then old record. um Well, this week I've been listening to a lot of Robin Trower, like Bridge of Sighs, great record, Twice Removed from Yesterday, and great record.
matt: Okay.
Nate: But if you like free jazz, I've been really digging on it. There's this Japanese record from the 70s, um
Nate: the Yosuke Yamashita Trio, and the record's called Chiyazuma. And it it'll rip your head off. It's insane.
matt: okay All right.
Nate: Like, it's what, I put that record on once in the van and just everyone was like, what the hell is this? Like, this is insane.
Nate: you't You'll love it. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
matt: Sick. Sick. i'm I'm admittedly not a jazz person. like I can't wrap my head around it, but I'll give it a listen.
Nate: I became a jazz person later in life because like,
matt: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Nate: you know, you, you know, like take six, doda du du don or to take five, don't know, whatever.
matt: Okay.
Nate: That's what you think of, or you think of some dude scatting like scooby-dee-bee, you know, like that's dumb, man. But it it wasn't until I started hearing like really wild avant-garde free jazz that I was like, Oh, where it has that same kind of chaotic energy as like hardcore or,
matt: Right, right.
matt: Okay.
matt: Right.
Nate: you know, where I was like, oh yeah, there, that's what I was looking for. Like my, my real, my first real, um, like intro to it was last exit.
Nate: Um, so listen to the last exit album and, uh, go from there.
matt: sounds Sounds good. Sounds good. ah therere oh ah
Nate: Right on.
matt: Also, I forgot to tell you this like a month ago, but there's like a show on the local Georgia Tech station. i think it's every Sunday from 3 to 4.
matt: And they do like the history of us like a genre. And it it wasn't it was Metalcore a few weeks ago.
Nate: Oh, that's cool.
Nate: Oh,
Conor Fowler: No, that's funny.
matt: And the last song they played was Heaven in Her Arms by Converge. And I was just like, what the fuck?
Nate: whoa.
matt: Like, they played some, some like, uh, I'm pretty sure Neurosis, some other like, you know, early nineties to mid nineties stuff.
Nate: All right.
matt: And I was just like, I've never heard Converge on the radio.
Nate: Okay.
matt: This is one of the coolest things after, and then then the the, then the,
Nate: That's bizarre, but cool. Thanks to them.
matt: Then the one this past Sunday was about Japanese noise and Merge Battle was one of the bands they played.
Nate: Oh, yeah.
matt: I was just like, this show rules.
Nate: That's.
Nate: So somebody there's into some cool stuff then. That's that's rad.
matt: Oh, totally, totally. Yeah, like if, if you know, early 20s people were talking about this shit, cool.
Nate: Awesome. That's one cool thing about the Internet is it's turned people on to some cool shit.
matt: Hell yeah.
matt: It really is. It really is. And yeah.
Nate: You know, a little that's the this little bit right here is the cool thing about the Internet and then the rest of it. Throw it the trash.
Conor Fowler: As long as it's dog shit ruining the world.
matt: Totally. Yeah. We're we're all.
Conor Fowler: But before we get into that shit, we gotta go.
matt: Yeah.
Nate: Yes. All right.
matt: Anyway. Yeah. Nate, thank you one more time. And everyone, we will see you next Wednesday.
Nate: Thanks for having me.
Conor Fowler: Ta-ta.
