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Live Heavy, Travel Light with Nate Newton
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This week in the studio, we had an incredibly fun chat with a ridiculously rad dude, stellar musician, and the man with “the best jeans in hardcore,” Nate Newton. We talked about his introduction to both clothing and music at an early age, admiring the style of country and western musicians, buying old Levi’s, band shirts, cast iron skillets, skateboarding and its influence, how to wear your clothes, online clothing forums, what he’s wearing in the Apocalypse, and so much more.
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Transcript
Introduction by Matt Smith and Connor Fowler
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matt
Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of Apocalypse Duds. I am your co-host, Matt Smith.
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Conor Fowler
And I'm the other co-host, Connor Fowler. Woo-woo!
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matt
And we have a fucking banger of a show today. um When we say things have been long in the making, we're very rarely actually embellishing that, although occasionally we do.
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matt
um
Introducing Nate Newton, Musician and Influencer
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matt
And when we say our guests are special, we always mean it. However, These two things collided heavily for the guest we have in studio. He's a busy man doing the damn thing all the fucking time since, like, I think 96.
00:00:41
matt
You can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Nate
Yeah, a little earlier.
00:00:44
matt
Yeah, a little earlier. little earlier.
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matt
ah But, ah yeah, I had the great pleasure of introducing a longtime homie, a close horse, an avid skateboarder, um and a member of Channel, Jesuit, Convert,
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Nate
Yeah.
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matt
Cave In, Old Man Gloom, and Doom Riders, and probably many other projects I'm forgetting about. He's always been cool as fuck, and his music means a lot to me.
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matt
And yeah, I'm happy to welcome Nate Newton.
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Nate
What's up? Thanks for having me guys.
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matt
Yeah, dude. Yeah. ah
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Conor Fowler
Welcome.
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matt
Yeah, it's been... yeah
Sustainable Fashion and Quality Jeans
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Conor Fowler
We've been talking about this show since the since our show started.
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matt
Right, right. Yeah.
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Nate
Oh, well, I'm glad that we made it happen. I'm sorry. We were supposed to do it a little while back and I couldn't, like last second I had to bail and it felt so bad about it.
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matt
No,
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Nate
I'm sorry.
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Conor Fowler
Oh, no, man.
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matt
no, no it's it is all good. um Yeah, I think also i went back and listened to like the Hardcore episode with you and the first ever podcast episode, and I think Jeremy said ah the dude with the best genes in hardcore, which made me laugh uncontrollably.
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Nate
but Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah.
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matt
Yeah, yeah.
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Conor Fowler
Humble, humble, humble.
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Nate
um I may have i may have like gotten some other people to spend more money on jeans than they had originally wanted to.
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matt
Hey, but you know that it works and you're, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Conor Fowler
You lead by example.
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matt
You're, you're, you're turning people onto cool shit. So that's how it should be.
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Nate
Yeah.
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Conor Fowler
and it's ah And it's sustainable shit too, right?
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Nate
I like cool shit.
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Conor Fowler
Like the jeans are made by adults. They're not made in like a weird place with children.
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Nate
Yeah.
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Nate
That's true. You know, they're not made, made by or out of children.
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Conor Fowler
And so that's
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Conor Fowler
exactly.
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Nate
um
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matt
Right.
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Conor Fowler
And that's very important.
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Nate
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, I'm sure you guys are the same. It's ah like, people are always like, my fucking genes are always just falling apart. I'm like, well, just spend more money on something good.
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matt
Yeah, but buy some nice jeans and yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
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Nate
You know, but I mean, if you can, if you can, I mean, I, you know,
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Conor Fowler
Yeah.
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matt
Or like go to a thrift store, you know.
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Nate
Go to a thrift store. That's it.
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matt
Like, I think my first raw jeans were rustlers from Walmart in the 90s, you know. Like, I didn't know what raw denim was, but like they held up to my, you know, BMX riding and other various shit, like.
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Nate
Yeah.
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Nate
I was all about the rustlers, but I did the same, like probably my first raw jeans as well, but I yeah didn't realize that you aren't supposed to put them in the washer and the dryer.
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matt
Right, right.
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Conor Fowler
Yep.
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Nate
And like, I was like, these are awesome. I love them And then watched them. And then I was like, whoa, yeah these are who, what baby do these belong to?
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matt
Yeah, yeah. ah
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Conor Fowler
And now they're child genes. Yeah.
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Nate
Yeah.
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matt
Right,
Denim Fun Facts and Virginia Roots
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matt
yeah. And fun fact, that denim is woven up the road from my hometown. So still to this day.
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Nate
No, no way. That's, that's cool.
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matt
Yeah, it's the ah Mount Vernon Mills is the name now, but it's I think it's the second biggest denim mill in the world.
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Nate
That's cool, man.
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matt
Yeah.
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Nate
Rustlers still hold up, man. He can't really beat them.
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matt
They do. They do. like i My dad hates the idea of buying anything secondhand, but he's like a 30th.
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Conor Fowler
Dude, that is so fucking funny. I can't believe that that has never come up on the show before.
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matt
Well, but so sorry, buying clothes secondhand.
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Conor Fowler
Even still, that's wild.
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Nate
Yeah.
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matt
Yeah, i don't I don't get it.
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Conor Fowler
i feel like from from you, from like the the lineage does not make sense.
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matt
I mean, oh, it definitely is. It definitely is.
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Nate
Honestly, I feel like that's a boomer thing because...
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Conor Fowler
Oh yeah.
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Nate
Because my, you know, like my family is the same. they're Why would you buy that? Why wouldn't you just get a new pair? And I'm like, because these, because this costs 85 cents and it's brand new still.
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Conor Fowler
Right.
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matt
Right.
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Conor Fowler
You know, we'll wear somebody else's clothes.
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Nate
Like, why not? Why wouldn't I, you know?
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matt
Yeah, yeah. And he's a 33, 28, I think, or maybe 29, which like Walmart sometimes carries. But I'm just like, yo, i can I can literally find you enough of these to last the rest of your life in a day or two.
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matt
And yeah. Anyway, that's enough.
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Conor Fowler
it's a pride It's a pride thing. It's whatever.
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matt
yeah i don't know what it is that's enough about my weird ass dad um so yeah nate dude thanks for coming on um to get started where are you from and where are you now
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Nate
I am from Virginia Beach, Virginia, and i am now in Ipswich, Massachusetts.
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matt
okay and how far is it switched from boston
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Nate
Mileage-wise, I think it's like 25 miles or something. um But it takes about an hour to get there if you're driving.
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matt
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
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Nate
Everything here, take like, you look at the mileage and then it it just... whatever you think it's going to be, it's going to be twice that.
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matt
Right, right.
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Nate
Cause it's all like, you know, residential roads and stuff.
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matt
Totally. Yeah, what what's weird is like Massachusetts could fit basically in the Atlanta metro area, but it takes so long to go from like Boston to Western Mass.
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Nate
It's yeah. I mean like driving out to Worcester from here, i don't know when I was younger, I'd be like, yeah, I'll drive anywhere. Let's go. You know, like overnight drive to go to a show or overnight drive to like go skate something. And now I'm like, what's there?
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matt
Right.
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Nate
that's that's That's an hour and a half. No way.
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Conor Fowler
Yeah, dude.
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Nate
I'm not doing
Balancing Music Touring and Personal Life
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Nate
that.
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Conor Fowler
That's my shit. Because Matt is always talking some like, oh, no, it's only eight hours. It's just an eight hour drive. I mean, and I'm like, eight hours for me would get me to Atlanta, basically.
00:06:27
matt
Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I drove over the weekend, like, ah sourcing and picking. i think me and my best friend, Eleanor, drove like 750 miles in three
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Nate
Yeah.
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Conor Fowler
Yeah, that's so wild.
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matt
three days, you know, but like we didn't even leave Georgia, which is the wildest part.
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Nate
That's,
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Nate
yeah, that's, that's, that's rad though. I mean, I will do, I still do it all the time because I'm in a touring band, you know, multiple touring bands.
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matt
Right. Right. also Yeah.
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Nate
But ah yeah, but like, yeah, if it's, hey, you want to go do this thing?
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matt
I was going to say many short bands.
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Nate
And I'm like, where is it? No.
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matt
Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
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Nate
I'll get home after 8 p.m. I don't want to do that.
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matt
Yeah. Yeah.
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Conor Fowler
It's very refreshing to hear you say that because I feel that way also, and I'm not a famous musician, but
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Nate
Well, I don't know I'm famous, but ah yeah.
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Conor Fowler
Well, you are a musician of renown. You're a respected musician.
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matt
Yeah.
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Nate
Whoa, respected. well
00:07:28
Conor Fowler
Right? there Well, it's like converge Converge is a band that people who like don't necessarily even like metal or hardcore like.
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Nate
who what
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Nate
Yeah, I guess that's true.
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matt
yeah it's it Honestly, to piggyback on that, ah I've been telling Eleanor to listen to this record, and to the new record, Love Is Not Enough, which I think is probably going be my record of the year.
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Nate
Oh, thank you
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matt
ah And we put it on while we were picking. And, you know, yeah um we're stopping every half mile. And so we ended up listening to that for like four hours. And she was hyped on it.
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matt
So...
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Nate
That's a lot of repeats because that is a short record.
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matt
yeah Yeah, it's like a 30-minute record, but like, yeah, yeah.
00:08:09
Nate
Yeah.
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matt
it ah
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Nate
Well, that's that's cool. Thank you.
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matt
It gave us some energy. Sometimes, like, you know, we we always vary what we listen to when we're picking together, but I needed something to to kind of like kick my ass and get me into gear.
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Nate
When you're out in you know in the in the throes of whatever you're doing, like sometimes listening to like the mellow stuff, but just you're like, I ah can't do this.
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matt
So it was a good one for that.
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matt
ah So, Nate, what came first? Love of music? Love of music or love of clothes?
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Nate
Yeah. like i got I need something to like keep me going.
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matt
Yeah, yeah.
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Conor Fowler
Yeah, it's at the urgency again. i mean, it's like about the, I don't know, it's about the tempo, I think.
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Nate
absolutely. Heck yeah.
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Conor Fowler
So um I was going to ask what came first, the music or the clothes?
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Nate
Well, I wore clothes before I played music.
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matt
Right, right.
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Conor Fowler
You did?
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Nate
ah Yeah.
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Conor Fowler
Well, I mean a fascination with music or a fascination with clothing.
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Nate
I guess music, but I think they're kind of intertwined, to be honest, because yeah, like when I was ah when i was a little kid,
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matt
Totally.
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Conor Fowler
Can you say more about that? Really?
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Nate
like, you know, five.
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Nate
My favorite record on earth was the Grease soundtrack. And, yeah.
00:09:37
Conor Fowler
really
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Nate
And, I mean, I still love the Grease soundtrack, but, like, yeah.
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Conor Fowler
it's a great it is It's got, as the musicals go, that is one full of joy and like...
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Nate
But, like, I always was, like, just obsessed with how they dressed, you know?
00:09:53
matt
Totally, totally.
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Conor Fowler
i
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Nate
And, like, it all kind of ties together because you know, my, my grandfather was a country Western musician and we always had like, um, old country records and rockabilly records in the house. And I'd always be looking at them and be like, look how cool they're dressed.
00:10:11
Nate
And then like couple years later, the Stray Cats became talk popular and like Stray Cats became my favorite band. And I just wanted to look like them, you know?
00:10:22
matt
Dude, i'm I'm so happy you brought those Stray Cats.
00:10:23
Nate
And,
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Nate
Like, Rant and Rave is top five record for me, for sure.
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matt
Dude, it's one that I bought very early in my musical journey at like a used record store. And I had it until I sold my records a few years ago.
00:10:41
Nate
Yeah, I still listen to that record regularly.
00:10:44
matt
Are you going to go see them this year?
00:10:45
Nate
Like, I want to if they come near me.
00:10:48
matt
Yeah, they they announced the tour, and I don't think there's anywhere in the South, which is such a bummer.
00:10:54
Nate
That is a bummer. yeah Honestly, though, I'll probably miss it anyways, because I miss everything. I'm always on the road.
00:10:59
matt
Yeah, for sure.
00:11:00
Nate
um But so, like, I think that also drew me to punk a little bit. You know, like, being into that style of music and then also, like, the...
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Nate
the fashion that came along with it. It like punk also had its own sort of fashion sense. And so that made me interested in clothing, but like, absolutely it was, you know, I mean, you can draw a line from like Link Ray straight to the punk scene.
00:11:25
matt
And a lot of punk was influenced by that stuff.
00:11:34
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:11:34
matt
Holy shit.
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Conor Fowler
Rumble.
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matt
I was literally thinking the exact same thing.
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Conor Fowler
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Nate
That's rad. But yeah, like it wasn't until I was a little bit older,
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Conor Fowler
so yeah
00:11:46
Nate
you know, like middle school going into high school where I had like really genuinely was like wanting to know what all the clothes were, you know, I just up and, you know what I mean?
00:12:00
Nate
It was just like, I just have a pair of jeans and and my sneakers and a t-shirt that my parents gave me.
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Conor Fowler
yeah yeah
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matt
Right.
00:12:05
Nate
and And then it was like, yeah.
00:12:05
Conor Fowler
Yeah, I think it's bullshit when um people are like, I've been into this shit since I was five years old. you know, like, you only have so much agency as a five-year-old.
00:12:13
Nate
Yeah.
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Conor Fowler
I work with them professionally.
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Nate
Yeah, I mean, like I was into skateboarding, i was into surfing and I was into music and like those are the things that informed pretty much my entire life, the way I dress, the way I think, the way I view the world, everything.
00:12:22
Conor Fowler
Right.
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Nate
And yeah, i I guess really what what um what changed, or not changed, but like what kind of hooked me in was
00:12:41
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:12:47
Nate
I couldn't have i can afford to buy clothes, you know, like, I, especially like when I was a teenager, you know, in the in the late 80s, early 90s, it was like the style and skateboarding and and hardcore and punk, everyone was wearing like, you know, plan B, like just big jeans and stuff and like,
00:12:50
Conor Fowler
yeah
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Nate
cross colors and like I couldn't afford that.
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matt
Right.
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Nate
And so, yeah,
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Conor Fowler
Because it was like the beginning of skateboards commodification.
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Nate
well, the I would say the second
Love for Fashion and Thrift Store Discoveries
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Nate
beginning of that, you know, cause it died and and then it was starting to change again and kind of have a rebirth.
00:13:26
Conor Fowler
Sure. Sure.
00:13:31
Nate
But, um, I, or maybe actually the third, yeah, the seventies, the eighties and then the nineties. But, um, it was like,
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Nate
going to thrift stores, you know? And that was also kind of the, just the, the aesthetic and and punk and hardcore back then as well was like just wearing shit you found in a thrift store. And i couldn't afford to go buy new pair of jeans or whatever. So like I would go the thrift store up the road and buy a pair of old Levi's. And that was kind of, I think that was what started my interest in in clothing and and kind of knowing about that stuff because I remember when I finally got a job and I had enough money i was like I'm going to buy a new pair of jeans I'm so stoked
00:14:28
Conor Fowler
what were you What were you doing, if I might ask?
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Nate
first job was like it was i worked for a lawn service like you know cutting cutting grass and then
00:14:39
Conor Fowler
Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hard shit.
00:14:42
Nate
Uh, like, yeah. And like fast food.
00:14:44
Conor Fowler
Hard shit in the outdoors. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:14:45
Nate
Yeah. Just all the shit jobs that teenagers have, you know?
00:14:50
Conor Fowler
Mm-hmm.
00:14:50
Nate
Um, but I was like, all right, I'm going to finally buy a brand new pair of Levi's, you know? Cause I, I had all the ones, I had my favorite ones from the thrift store and they were all falling apart. And so I was like, cool, I'm going to go get a new pair of Levi's. And I was like, I bought them.
00:15:06
Nate
And I was just because I knew i I thought I knew my size and everything got a pair.
00:15:10
matt
Right, right.
00:15:11
Nate
And I was like, the hell are these? These aren't the same. Like, these suck.
00:15:15
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:15:16
Nate
And I didn't know what anything was called or anything. And I remember like, you know, I found out later, like, oh, I was buying like old salvage Levi's.
00:15:28
matt
right.
00:15:28
matt
right
00:15:28
Nate
you know, and, and like, why didn't they fit the same as these new ones?
00:15:33
Nate
And I'm opening them up. I'm like, why does, why is this, this different? Like it's the materials different, the stitching's different, you know, like it, it, that was kind of what, what led me down that path.
00:15:46
matt
Can you imagine if we had known anything back then? Like the internet wasn't a thing, you know, like, like nobody was, you know, like there was nothing written maybe in Japan about this stuff, but like we could be.
00:15:46
Nate
Um,
00:15:51
Nate
dude,
00:16:01
Nate
I had things that were worth so much money.
00:16:04
matt
Yeah.
00:16:05
Nate
like and like And I just didn't even know. I was like, oh, cool. Friend would come over. That's cool. You can have it, man. It was a quarter. you know or like Or I would just destroy it, wear it into the ground, or I'd cut it up.
00:16:13
matt
Right. Right. Yeah.
00:16:17
Nate
or you know All kinds of stuff.
00:16:20
matt
Dude, I got rid of all my t-shirts in 2013 because they weren't worth anything.
00:16:21
Nate
Whatever.
00:16:24
matt
I just like gave them away, you know, and like I had, I had so many Nirvana 90s shirts that I'd thrifted or gotten for like less than $10, you know, like not just for junior shit, helmet stuff.
00:16:27
Nate
Oh, yeah.
00:16:38
Nate
Oh, dude.
00:16:38
matt
And I'm just like, i you know, I worked at a second hand store when we, when you and I met and I was just like, I got this stuff for nothing.
00:16:43
Nate
Yeah.
00:16:46
matt
And now, you know, Now some of those shirts are worth like $1,000. Just like...
00:16:53
Nate
I mean, I feel like that whole thing is so inflated and then blown out of proportion.
00:16:58
matt
Oh, it's fucking ridiculous.
00:17:01
matt
Totally.
00:17:01
Nate
Like,
00:17:01
Conor Fowler
Isn't it like kind of over also? I mean,
00:17:03
matt
ah Yeah, it seems like the the bubble has kind of burst on that kind of shit.
00:17:07
Conor Fowler
how that like Walmart is doing Guns N' Roses t-shirts and stuff, I mean, it just is like, yeah, but it's about saturation.
00:17:11
matt
I mean, they they Walmart and Target been doing that shit. But, you know, like, it's just... It's just a bummer that, like, also i gave that shit away when I should have just kept it and, like, you know, worn it later on.
00:17:25
matt
i don't know. I was just...
00:17:26
Nate
Yeah, I mean, i think about I think about stuff like that all the time, and I'm just like, actually, who cares?
00:17:27
matt
You're getting those moves.
00:17:29
Conor Fowler
Yeah, dude, you can't.
00:17:34
matt
Yeah, I don't...
00:17:35
Nate
That's just stuff, you know?
00:17:35
Conor Fowler
i was alive one not If I was alive on 9-11 and I knew about it, I could have stopped it. No, probably not.
00:17:42
matt
My favorite Nirvana shirt I gave to a homie, it was an in-utero, like, parking lot boot that I got for, I think, $9. And, like, he's going to keep that forever.
00:17:54
matt
And he loves, you know, he's got a ah fuck fucking Nirvana lyrics.
00:17:56
Nate
Yeah, that's,
00:17:58
matt
And I'm like, okay, this this makes sense.
00:18:00
matt
I don't... know
00:18:00
Nate
yeah, that's cool.
00:18:02
Nate
I mean, that was one of the ones though, that I was like, Nirvana shirts, people selling them for like three, $400. And I'm like, that was a shirt that you can get literally anywhere.
00:18:12
Nate
There are thousands and thousands of those shirts.
00:18:13
matt
Yeah. Probably...
00:18:15
Nate
It's not, yeah.
00:18:16
matt
Probably millions, honestly.
00:18:18
matt
i felt that That heart-shaped box shirt, which I think is is hideous, like I could have gotten that at Media Play or Hot Topic or wherever the fuck in 1996.
00:18:18
Nate
It's like, that's, yeah.
00:18:28
Nate
Yeah, and I'm like, come on, man. That's not even a cool shirt, you know?
00:18:31
matt
Right, right. Yeah, yeah.
00:18:34
Nate
And I love Nirvana.
00:18:34
matt
Totally. Yeah, same, same. like The Incesticide shirt is sick.
00:18:37
Nate
But... Yeah.
00:18:39
matt
With the the cover on the front.
00:18:40
Conor Fowler
The circles circles of hell shirt that like you can't find anymore.
00:18:43
matt
The Circles of Hell shirt, yeah.
00:18:45
Conor Fowler
That's a great one.
00:18:46
matt
Yeah, there's so many good ones, and that's the hyped one? Like, get the fuck out of here.
00:18:51
Nate
Yeah.
00:18:52
Conor Fowler
They had great, great merch.
00:18:52
Nate
It's like... The stuff that I think is cool is the stuff that they were hardly in any of them made, you know?
00:19:01
matt
Totally. Totally.
00:19:03
matt
what it what What is the coolest band shirt that you have? I remember selling you that COC shirt you know that you, I think, traded eventually. Like, I know you've got some cool shit.
00:19:03
Nate
But, you know, that's just me being a...
00:19:12
Nate
Oh, yeah. The coolest band shirt I have?
00:19:18
matt
What do you think is the coolest band shirt you've had?
00:19:20
Nate
I don't even know, man. Like, um... Like, I've got... like original Misfits shirts. Um, I've got like original, it's like tons of Danzig shirts, um, government issue tour shirt, uh, a soul side shirt.
00:19:42
Nate
Like I've, yeah, it's, I've, it's pretty rare.
00:19:44
matt
That's gotta be like one of a hundred or something.
00:19:48
Nate
Like I have a lot of stuff like that. Like, um, lot of old hardcore shirts, uh,
00:19:53
matt
Right.
00:19:55
Nate
like, you know, blast tour shirts. I don't know, man. I've got lots of stuff that just,
00:20:02
Conor Fowler
You're curating.
00:20:04
Nate
it no, I think it's more just hoarding.
00:20:06
Conor Fowler
whatever. Yeah.
00:20:07
Nate
Like a lot of it is just stuff that I've had for, you know, for years and years and years and I don't wear it anymore because it's either going to fall apart.
00:20:16
Conor Fowler
Well, you would just get rid of it if you didn't care about it, right?
00:20:19
Nate
Yeah.
00:20:20
Conor Fowler
If it was but worthless.
00:20:23
Nate
Yeah. you know, it's the effort. Like that's, that's, that's the thing is like, I have so much stuff that is valuable that I can sell, but I'm like, then you have to do it.
00:20:28
Conor Fowler
Kind of.
00:20:28
matt
always Totally, totally.
00:20:37
Nate
You have to sell it and ship it and do all this stuff.
00:20:38
Conor Fowler
Take pictures of it.
00:20:39
matt
Right.
00:20:39
Conor Fowler
Yeah. yeah
00:20:40
matt
it's
00:20:41
Nate
I'm like, if you want to come over here and just be like, Hey, I'll, I'll, I'll buy all of this. I'd be like, all right, here, cool. Bye.
00:20:50
matt
Right, right.
00:20:51
Conor Fowler
know
00:20:51
matt
Yeah. I mean, it is kind of sick that you've kept on or kept a lot of the shit for so long at this point. Like, I think it was the first ever podcast that you were talking about, like the first skate shirt you bought or something and you've still got it.
00:21:04
Nate
Oh, yeah, I still have that. I mean, there there's stuff that has sentimental value that I'll never get rid of, you know.
00:21:05
matt
Yeah.
00:21:08
matt
Totally. Totally.
00:21:10
Nate
But ultimately, I still, it's just stuff. They're just things, you know.
00:21:17
matt
Right. Right.
00:21:19
Nate
Who cares? yeah
00:21:20
matt
Yeah. Well, what what was the first pair of Japanese denim that you got? Do you remember?
00:21:28
Nate
think they were, yeah, they were Ironheart.
00:21:30
matt
Nice.
00:21:31
Nate
Yeah, that was like when I kind of started learning about all that stuff. That was the the brand that I immediately was like, whoa, like this stuff's really cool.
00:21:45
Nate
It didn't seem like it was fashion-y as compared to some of the other ones.
00:21:48
matt
Right, right.
00:21:49
Nate
You know, was a little more, seemed a little more utilitarian
Exploring Japanese Denim and Ironheart Community
00:21:53
Nate
or it was purpose-made, I guess, purpose-built.
00:21:53
matt
I mean,
00:21:56
matt
Right.
00:21:57
Nate
Um, and, uh, I think that's kind of what drew me to it. And then like, i loved the idea of heavyweight denim, you know, cause I, I was just so used to like destroying my jeans that I was like, I am, I, I've really, really destroy pants.
00:22:07
matt
Same, same.
00:22:11
matt
Yeah, I was going to say, you're you're probably pretty hard on your shit.
00:22:18
Nate
Um, and so, uh, Yeah, I was like, this is it. These are the ones. And then I saved money for a long time. And it took me, I'm sure the same with you and pretty much everyone else who's ever gotten into that stuff.
00:22:33
Nate
Like, it took me a very long time to just be able to give myself permission to pull the trigger on it because it's not cheap, you know.
00:22:37
matt
Yeah.
00:22:43
matt
Totally.
00:22:43
matt
Totally. i I bought my first pair in 2010 with my tax return and also bought some boots that I still have and wear.
00:22:43
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:22:52
matt
So that was like, yeah, yeah. that That pair sadly got cut off of me when I got stabbed.
00:22:52
Nate
Yeah, that's right.
00:22:59
Nate
i remember seeing the pictures of that.
00:23:00
matt
Yeah, yeah. did Dude, that was that was such a wild time. I've got an autographed shirt from Haraki... <unk>i
00:23:07
Nate
Haraki-san?
00:23:08
matt
yeah, yeah, that he sent to Kia that said, I hope the hurt guy feels better.
00:23:14
Nate
Ah, that's awesome.
00:23:15
matt
Yeah, I will, like, that's that's one of my prized possessions.
00:23:15
Conor Fowler
Wow.
00:23:18
matt
Like, I don't know, that whole community was such a cool, like, ah time capsule in, like, social media era.
00:23:26
Nate
Yeah, it was a lot smaller back then for sure.
00:23:28
matt
It was, it was. And it was a lot more, like, condensed, too.
00:23:31
matt
Like, South Forum or Super Future, like the message board scene. I mean, I've still got friends that I made for Nat. Fuck year you.
00:23:31
Nate
Yeah.
00:23:38
matt
You know, like there's there's a lot of people that I met.
00:23:38
Nate
Yeah.
00:23:42
matt
i don't know. Yeah, like.
00:23:43
Nate
Me too, man.
00:23:44
Nate
It's wild. Like, it was like a really small community of that the people that were into that stuff back then.
00:23:48
matt
Totally.
00:23:50
Nate
They were they were like... 50 people, you know, like in the country that we're into it.
00:23:53
matt
Mm hmm.
00:23:56
Nate
And so it's definitely blown up and changed quite a bit.
00:24:00
matt
It has. It has. I will say like, it's still, you know, my friend champ owns guilty party in Atlanta. If you're ever in Atlanta, you should definitely shop there. It's not a pay promotion, but like, yeah, yeah.
00:24:11
Nate
I will. I know, I know champ. I'm i'm a fan.
00:24:14
matt
You know, like it, well, anyone ah listening should also shop there, but like it's, it's one of the more pure, i think like for lack of a better word, clothing communities, like everyone's just super into shit and like super supportive.
00:24:28
matt
And it was,
00:24:29
Nate
Totally.
00:24:30
matt
it's It's a stark contrast to a lot of other, like, you know, hashtag menswear kind of shit.
00:24:35
Nate
Yeah. Not into that.
00:24:38
matt
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, Connor and i both came out of that and ah in a way. Like, but...
00:24:45
Nate
Well, I think like just by virtue of liking the things that we like, you're gonna at least have a toe in that a little bit, you know, and
00:24:55
matt
Totally, totally.
00:24:58
Nate
Yeah, I kind of, after a little while, I was like, all right, this is not for me anymore. I like i still like what I like, but i kind of was like, yeah, I'm not going to.
00:25:09
Nate
This is blowing up too much, and it's not as it's just not my thing, you know?
00:25:13
matt
Totally, totally. And yeah, like I'm not, I'm not a message for a person anymore and I don't understand how discord works. So,
00:25:21
Conor Fowler
Yeah, yeah, it's gone in a weird way.
00:25:21
Nate
Oh, dude, I...
00:25:25
Conor Fowler
i mean, there was like a time where Instagram was kind of good. um Like, i guess before it was acquired by Meta, and then maybe even a little bit after that there was like some community there.
00:25:37
Conor Fowler
But now it's really like spread out. It's like very spread out.
00:25:42
matt
Right.
00:25:42
Nate
Yeah.
00:25:44
Nate
Yeah. And like, one of the things that I initially really liked about Ironheart and a lot of the Japanese stuff was like, I don't really care about like showing off or showing off brands or any of that stuff.
00:25:58
matt
Totally.
00:26:00
Nate
And it was like low key kind of, you just wear the clothes and, you know, they fit and they worked well and they, you know, And if you knew what it was, you were like, oh, that's cool. Oh, you got one of those. Cool.
00:26:14
Nate
But like, at some point, it really got about like showing off what you've got and like, you know, like showing the label or or like where people wanted logos.
00:26:20
matt
Totally. Yeah.
00:26:26
Nate
And like, I don't want to wear a logo. Like, why would I do that?
00:26:29
matt
Right.
00:26:31
Nate
You know, like, I don't know. It's just not, it's it's not what I am into. So at some point,
00:26:38
matt
Yeah.
00:26:41
Nate
It really, we we've actually talked about this before. Like there's this thing with a lot of like the online menswear people where it's like, you don't look like you you're wearing your clothes. You look like your clothes are wearing you, you know?
00:26:57
matt
100%.
00:26:58
Nate
And I'm not into that.
00:27:00
matt
No, no. It's, a yeah, it's, like, there's there's a point where you have to, like, realize that, like, if you don't look comfortable in something, you're not, you don't look cool.
00:27:12
matt
I don't care how expensive it is, how how rare it is. Like, you know, you and I were talking on Sunday about the kind of, like, you know, min vintage dorks that are just like, oh, I'm wearing fucking fifties work wearing a Stetson. And it's like, brah, you look like you have a costume on.
00:27:30
Nate
Yeah, you look like you have a costume on and you're about to go make a lot.
00:27:34
matt
Right, right.
00:27:34
Nate
Like you have no reason to be wearing other than look at me. and And again, i understand being into that stuff, but it's more like when you're wearing like this hyper curated look that looks like a costume as opposed to it just looks like that's those are your clothes.
00:27:39
matt
Exactly.
00:27:53
matt
Yeah.
00:27:54
Nate
You know what i mean? It's a fine line, but you can tell the difference.
00:27:58
matt
It really is.
00:27:59
matt
And some of the coolest people that exist on this planet have don't give a fuck like what they're wearing.
00:27:59
Nate
Yeah.
00:28:04
Nate
No.
00:28:05
matt
they just look you know They've had that same pair of overalls for 50 years. And they're like, yeah, this is sick.
00:28:10
Nate
Yeah.
00:28:11
Conor Fowler
Thank you.
00:28:12
Nate
Yeah. And I don't know, like you get these people that like they're head to toe, you know, like they're wearing they're everything they're wearing, you know, they're wearing $10,000 worth of clothes, you know, and you're just like, it's all pristine.
00:28:29
matt
Right.
00:28:33
Nate
and perfect looking and I'm like but you're wearing like it's supposed to be work wear like at least that's what it's styled as and like you're wearing like you know take off of a buco leather jacket like it's supposed to get beat up beat it up like it wear it yeah like it so you just look again you just look like you're in a costume it's like come on man looks silly
00:28:40
matt
Yeah.
00:28:50
matt
Yeah, yeah, right, right. Don't baby, your don't baby stuff.
00:29:01
matt
Right. Yeah. I've long said like clothes are meant to be worn and anything, you know, ah like my wardrobe is pretty small.
00:29:05
Nate
Yeah.
00:29:08
matt
I wear the same stuff all the time, but like I wear stuff that I know can handle whatever the fuck I'm going to do that day.
00:29:16
Nate
Yeah. And I mean, I, people are weird about like mixing brands or whatever.
00:29:17
matt
And,
00:29:22
Nate
I'm like, I don't fucking care, man. I'm like, right now I'm wearing a pair of Dickies duck carpenter pants that I've had for like, I don't even know how long, like,
00:29:27
Conor Fowler
Thank you.
00:29:34
matt
Dude, the best.
00:29:34
Nate
A decade.
00:29:35
matt
The best.
00:29:35
Nate
Yeah.
00:29:36
matt
and Except now they suck because they changed to that, like, Flex Canvas shit.
00:29:40
Nate
Oh, yeah. That stuff's gross. No thanks. But, I mean, like, that's the thing. It's it's just like, who cares, man? Like, just wear what works. If you look comfortable in your clothes and you're not sweating it, then you're going to look good.
00:29:58
Conor Fowler
Sage advice.
00:30:00
Nate
Yeah. Sage in advice. Yeah.
00:30:03
Conor Fowler
Yeah. um So how did you come to the message board? Like, did see your friend tell you about it? Did you like?
00:30:14
Nate
Ironheart?
00:30:15
matt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:18
Nate
I mean, it the the old Ironheart website was like very, very,
00:30:25
Nate
it's like there wasn't much to it. And so you would go there and like there wasn't a lot of info and it was hard to to kind of figure anything out about the stuff.
00:30:28
Conor Fowler
hmm.
00:30:36
Nate
And so it had a link to the message board right there. And it was kind of the only way to really, really learn about. about
00:30:45
Conor Fowler
interact yeah
00:30:46
Nate
Yeah, about their stuff. and And like Giles was like he would get back to you immediately, you know. And so that was kind of that that was kind of why.
00:30:53
matt
Right, right.
00:30:59
Nate
And then, you know, you start going through all the all of the posts and you're like, oh, man, there's a lot of cool stuff on here. And yeah, that was it. Just kind of became friends with a lot of people because of that website.
00:31:14
Nate
And yeah.
00:31:16
matt
Have you ever met Charles?
00:31:17
Nate
And here I am with Matt.
00:31:18
matt
ah right Right.
00:31:18
Nate
ah Yeah, I have.
00:31:19
matt
Oh, that's sick. I met his son at a guilty party a couple years ago.
00:31:23
Nate
Alex?
00:31:24
matt
Yeah.
00:31:25
Nate
Yeah, awesome. they're all They're all great people. Yeah, Giles and Paula have come out to multiple Converge shows in the UK.
00:31:33
matt
Oh, that's fucking sick.
00:31:34
Nate
Yeah, they're great. They're they're super cool. um Yeah, and still in contact. Like, you know, whenever we're coming through, I'll be like, hey, man, we're going to going to be there if you guys want to come out. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
00:31:47
matt
Right, right. Yeah.
00:31:48
Nate
Yeah.
00:31:48
matt
i I've said often to like other people I know, the the clothing world and the hardcore punk world are very synonymous in a lot of ways.
00:31:56
Nate
Yeah.
00:31:56
matt
like Both good and bad. But like overall, I think it's it's like very positive.
00:32:02
Nate
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's been positive for me, you know, I've had very, very few negative interactions in, in that realm, you know,
00:32:05
matt
Yeah.
00:32:11
matt
Yeah, same. It's like we're all... like Whatever niche interest you're into, we're all nerds. about it. And, like, finding other nerds to talk to about this, this like, random thing is is always fun.
00:32:18
Nate
Absolutely.
00:32:21
Nate
Yeah.
00:32:25
Nate
It's, I mean, it's the same compulsion as like record collecting or like, you know, old skateboards or cast iron cookware, you know, like,
00:32:29
matt
Totally.
00:32:35
matt
Right. Ha ha!
00:32:37
Conor Fowler
it's it's the hunter-gatherer thing it's like deep you know you like to have your little rocks you're polishing your rocks you know
00:32:39
Nate
yeah, you just like,
00:32:44
Nate
Yeah. And half the time you don't even care about having this stuff. It's just, I found this.
00:32:50
Conor Fowler
right yeah and that's that's a big thing about the thrift store is the like the surprise of it i guess like the shock of like oh my god i found a ton of shit today
00:32:50
Nate
right, cool. Bye. Get rid of it now.
00:32:51
matt
Right, right.
00:32:52
Nate
Don't need it.
00:32:52
matt
Like...
00:33:03
Nate
Yeah. but Yeah.
00:33:04
matt
Oh, 100%.
00:33:04
Nate
That's always the best. It's funny, like how much it's changed though. You know, like,
00:33:10
Conor Fowler
Oh my God. Yeah.
00:33:11
matt
hundred percent i I bought one Harley shirt yesterday and like my town has no people in it. And there were like five others that were like mediocre. They were all seven bucks a piece too, which not my.
00:33:22
Nate
Yeah, that's wild.
00:33:23
matt
Yeah. Yeah. There was another one that I know.
00:33:25
Conor Fowler
Then bunch your fucking t-shirt at a thrift store.
00:33:27
Nate
Yeah.
00:33:28
matt
There was another one that, that I would have bought. ah They were all nineties and it had an engine on the front, but the back had that old Georgia flag with the the rebel flag as half of it.
00:33:39
Nate
Oh, yeah.
00:33:40
matt
It's like, I can't buy that and sell it.
00:33:41
Conor Fowler
Is Harley Davidson from Georgia?
00:33:43
matt
No, they're from fucking Michigan.
00:33:46
Nate
Yeah.
00:33:46
matt
But, you know, the different...
00:33:47
Conor Fowler
they just have They just have dedicated shit?
00:33:48
matt
t Well, the Harley the harley shirts would would have the dealer name on the back and then a design.
00:33:49
Conor Fowler
see.
00:33:53
Nate
yeah the Yeah, they were dealer specific.
00:33:53
Conor Fowler
i is
00:33:55
matt
And so, yeah, I went back today, all gone. And I was like, i you know, maybe a motorcycle dude bought them. That's very, true you know, very probably what happened.
00:34:07
matt
But just like,
00:34:09
Nate
Yeah. It was probably a Pinterest witch.
00:34:11
matt
Yeah, it could have been. Could have been too. But like I saw him first, so you take it.
00:34:15
Nate
Yeah.
00:34:15
matt
But yeah, thrifting is, I mean, even in the past eight years, nine years, like has changed dramatically.
00:34:20
Nate
It's crazy. you're just digging through and it's like, this is just nothing but fast fashion from the past 10 years, you know?
00:34:25
matt
Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I went to a Walmart or sorry, a Goodwill in South Georgia over the weekend that was literally in the same shopping center as a Walmart. And I was like, does does Walmart just cart over the shit that they take off the floor and don't want to sell?
00:34:39
Conor Fowler
Yes, they do.
00:34:40
Nate
think they do.
00:34:41
Conor Fowler
They do. They do.
00:34:42
Nate
Yeah.
00:34:42
Conor Fowler
For sure they do. They sell it for pennies on the dollar and they have them in Goodwill. Like I was talking to someone at a Goodwill about it. Not like they know the corporate policy, but even so.
00:34:57
matt
Yeah.
00:34:57
Nate
Well, and and now Goodwill has their auction site.
00:35:01
matt
Right, right.
00:35:01
Conor Fowler
Right. Right.
00:35:01
Nate
So it's like finding good stuff at at Goodwill is hard because they just, they know what to take out now and put on their website.
00:35:08
matt
Yeah. Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, Goodwill is pretty much unusable, or unhittable at this point.
00:35:13
Nate
Yeah.
00:35:14
matt
Like, it's it's easily the worst Thrift Chain I can think of.
00:35:14
Nate
Yeah.
00:35:18
Nate
Yeah. and And it's, you know, especially here, man, like going to thrift stores here, it's like,
00:35:22
matt
Right.
00:35:26
Nate
I walk in and like, I don't even really sell stuff like vintage anymore. I just, if I'm going, I'm just looking for stuff that I would want. And like you walk in and you're, and you're just immediately like, Oh, okay.
00:35:42
Nate
There's, there's that person with looking for a single stitch t-shirts. There's that person over there, you know, like looking for nineties jeans and, um but everything's picked through now.
00:35:47
matt
Right, right.
00:35:54
Nate
And and like, it's It's pretty wild. I don't know.
00:35:57
matt
Yeah, yeah, it's a bummer.
00:35:58
Nate
but
00:35:59
Conor Fowler
It's rough.
00:35:59
matt
Right.
00:36:00
Nate
But, you know what?
00:36:00
Conor Fowler
People have good luck still.
00:36:01
Nate
It's still fun.
00:36:01
Conor Fowler
Some people do. But.
00:36:03
Nate
I mean, i I still find stuff every now and then, but it's not like it used to be where it was like, you could, because all the, yeah.
00:36:07
Conor Fowler
Oh, no.
00:36:08
matt
Right.
00:36:09
Conor Fowler
You should be able to get like a trash bag full of stuff.
00:36:13
Nate
Well, and it the stuff that I'm most interested in it's been cycled through again. You know, it's it's like, it's, we're we're, we're decades past it now.
00:36:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:36:24
Nate
We're like,
00:36:25
Conor Fowler
Oh, yeah.
00:36:26
Nate
You know, we're into stuff from 10 years ago now, which i don't want that.
00:36:30
matt
Right, yeah. I am not into stuff from 10 years ago.
00:36:31
Nate
i No.
00:36:33
matt
That's for goddamn sure.
00:36:35
matt
ah but I'll buy Y2K stuff if I think it's personally cool.
00:36:35
Nate
Yeah.
00:36:39
matt
But, that you know, I'm not like... I don't know. I don't want to champion that kind of bullshit.
00:36:40
Nate
Yeah.
00:36:45
Conor Fowler
Yeah, because it does like because it's the snake eating its tail.
00:36:45
Nate
No, me neither.
00:36:49
Conor Fowler
It's like.
00:36:49
matt
Yeah, pretty much. like I feel like we could do a series on the fact that like fashion is kind of lapping itself.
00:36:58
Nate
Yeah. It's...
00:37:00
Conor Fowler
which is inevitable, I think.
00:37:03
Nate
When I go to a thrift store now, I'm mostly looking for stuff I can use in my kitchen.
00:37:08
matt
Right, right.
00:37:08
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:37:08
matt
Yeah, I mean, you...
00:37:09
Conor Fowler
Well, there there's still good stuff to be had in that realm, but, I mean, the clothing part is fucked.
00:37:09
Nate
You know?
00:37:12
matt
Totally, totally.
00:37:12
Nate
Oh, yeah.
00:37:14
matt
You know, you've been going hard with Cast Iron in the past couple of years.
00:37:15
Nate
Yeah.
00:37:17
Nate
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. That's like mine
00:37:19
Conor Fowler
What have you got? What is your favorite piece? Because I have, like, ah what I call the cast iron armada of, like, 20 pieces of cast iron.
00:37:27
matt
you guys You guys both need to come down south and just do, like, hit some yard sales one day, because...
00:37:31
Nate
I would love to do that.
00:37:32
Conor Fowler
Yeah, dude, that would be a blast.
00:37:33
matt
Yo, let me know. We'll figure it the fuck out.
Cast Iron Cookware Appreciation
00:37:37
Nate
Probably my favorite most used piece is a ah Wagner where a square skillet that I got like a 10 inch square skillet.
00:37:42
Conor Fowler
Nice.
00:37:44
Nate
I use that one all the time.
00:37:44
Conor Fowler
Mm-hmm.
00:37:46
Nate
But last week I found a brand new look, cause enameled skillet. And I was like, Oh my God. You know?
00:37:53
Conor Fowler
Yeah, dude, that's a fucking,
00:37:53
Nate
And like,
00:37:55
Conor Fowler
yeah
00:37:56
Nate
the The only other people in the in the store that cared were like old ladies. They were like, where did you find that?
00:38:01
matt
Ha ha ha ha ha!
00:38:02
Conor Fowler
What color? What color?
00:38:03
matt
it.
00:38:04
Nate
It's um almond, like the light like cream color, I guess.
00:38:09
Conor Fowler
Yeah, that's beautiful. That's awesome.
00:38:10
Nate
Yeah, I was like, but yeah, like I'm like, sorry lady, this is mine.
00:38:15
Conor Fowler
Do you know about Staub?
00:38:17
Nate
Oh yeah, it's good stuff.
00:38:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah, it really is. i sort somewhat recently discovered it, but they do amazing work with the forming of the cast iron. I mean, like, this is a Brussels sprout.
00:38:25
Nate
Yeah.
00:38:27
Conor Fowler
Like, just kind of crazy stuff.
00:38:30
Nate
Yeah, it's pretty awesome. I've got i've got a good ah a good collection of cast iron stuff going now. like Probably the coolest thing I have, the coolest piece I've found in a thrift store was a, I found an eerie griddle.
00:38:45
Nate
It was like from like 1895 or something.
00:38:46
Conor Fowler
Nice.
00:38:49
matt
Oh, holy shit.
00:38:50
Nate
And then I've got a um ah Griswold waffle iron.
00:38:50
Conor Fowler
Wow.
00:38:57
Nate
That's really cool.
00:38:58
Conor Fowler
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:59
Nate
But yeah.
00:39:00
Conor Fowler
It just is so much. it Weirdly, like people don't get it. It just is so much better than cooking on other stuff. Yeah.
00:39:08
Nate
I mean, i don't know if it is or if it isn't. I just enjoy it. like And it's the same.
00:39:13
Conor Fowler
I think in certain applications, you can't argue that it's better. Like if you need to sear a steak, it's better.
00:39:16
Nate
Well, yeah.
00:39:19
Conor Fowler
If you're doing breakfast, it's probably better.
00:39:22
Nate
Yeah. Probably. I think for me, it's it's the same thing as thrifting clothes where it's just like, I love the idea of finding this thing that someone discarded that
00:39:37
Nate
that I'll have forever, you know, and I'll keep using and it's not going to go in a landfill.
00:39:39
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:39:43
Nate
It's not going to, I'm not going contribute to buying, you know, more fucking nonstick chemical plastic garbage, you know, and it's, yeah.
00:39:50
Conor Fowler
Classic. Right.
00:39:52
matt
Right.
00:39:54
Conor Fowler
Like that will ruin your sperm count.
00:39:55
matt
I really wish...
00:39:57
Conor Fowler
like
00:39:58
matt
I wish I was a food person and that I could appreciate this stuff and learn about it. Because I know basically nothing about like kitchen shit.
00:40:06
Conor Fowler
Matt, you could understand it because it retains heat better.
00:40:10
matt
I mean, I get that. But like like this you know the seasoning and the...
00:40:12
Conor Fowler
Right? So it just stays hot longer than other shit. and
00:40:17
matt
cross yeah
00:40:17
Conor Fowler
It's overblown.
00:40:18
Conor Fowler
It's overblown.
00:40:18
Nate
It's easy.
00:40:19
Conor Fowler
you don't have to do that kind of shit.
00:40:19
Nate
It's easy. i can show you how to do that.
00:40:21
matt
okay yeah
00:40:22
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:40:22
Nate
Honestly, it's just cool. ah Just finding it is cool. it looks The old stuff just looks cool.
00:40:28
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:40:28
Nate
You're like, this is a cool pan.
00:40:28
Conor Fowler
When you figure they use that shit the Oregon Trail, they didn't baby it.
00:40:29
matt
Oh yeah, totally. of it I agree with that.
00:40:30
Nate
I'm just going to buy this because...
00:40:34
Conor Fowler
As we were talking about earlier, they didn't baby their cast iron.
00:40:35
matt
Right, right.
00:40:36
Conor Fowler
Like they put lard on it.
00:40:36
matt
I mean, i'm like, there's a company in Tennessee, I'm blanking on the name, that like makes a ton of cast iron stuff and, you know, that's their their big claim to fame. And it's not too far from me.
00:40:49
matt
I've driven by it a fucking thousand times. But like...
00:40:52
Nate
Is it like Smithy or something?
00:40:53
matt
Ah, fuck. Hold on. I'm gonna have to... I'm gonna have to Google this. But they have like a big shop right off...
00:41:03
Conor Fowler
You're right. You're right. I think it is Smithy anyway. That's the result.
00:41:06
Nate
Smithy Ironworks?
00:41:08
Conor Fowler
Yeah, that's the result for Tennessee cast iron.
00:41:10
Nate
They make good stuff.
00:41:11
matt
Oh, uh... Lodge also is the one I'm thinking of.
00:41:13
Nate
Oh yeah, Lodge is like the, you know, yeah, that's like the Harley Davidson of cast iron cookware.
00:41:14
Conor Fowler
Oh, yeah. That's the big dog.
00:41:21
matt
Right. Right. Yeah. And I know this and I just like, I've never, I've never used one. I've never really known how it works. Like I'm just not a, I'm not a food person.
00:41:31
Nate
then it doesn't matter.
00:41:31
matt
So yeah.
00:41:32
Nate
You know?
00:41:32
Conor Fowler
Yeah, right?
00:41:34
matt
I mean, I could grill, I could grill my weirdo peanut butter sandwich combinations in it.
00:41:34
Nate
it Again, man it's...
00:41:34
Conor Fowler
you know about You know about tons of shit.
00:41:39
matt
That would be enough for me.
00:41:40
Conor Fowler
Yo, and that would be brilliant on a skillet. I mean...
00:41:43
matt
bet it would.
00:41:43
Nate
You should...
00:41:44
Conor Fowler
Right?
00:41:44
matt
I bet it would.
00:41:44
Nate
There you go.
00:41:45
matt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:46
matt
That's a,
00:41:46
Nate
Again, man, it's just like record collecting.
00:41:49
Nate
It's like, who I found 1945 Three Nots Lodge today.
00:41:53
matt
Right, right, yeah.
00:41:54
Nate
And people are just like, what does that mean? They're like, nothing. Nothing.
00:41:58
Conor Fowler
right ah
00:42:00
matt
I mean, like, of our...
00:42:01
Conor Fowler
That's and that is the that is the quote of the episode. Like that's because because what does it fucking matter that you're like sleeves are showing a little bit out of your jacket?
00:42:05
Nate
Yeah.
00:42:12
Conor Fowler
What does it matter? The button positions? It doesn't matter.
00:42:15
Nate
It doesn't matter.
00:42:17
Conor Fowler
But we care about that kind of shit.
00:42:17
Nate
Do you like it?
00:42:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:42:19
Nate
Yeah. Do you like it? Yes. Cool.
00:42:22
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:42:22
Nate
Then there you go.
00:42:23
matt
Yeah, totally.
00:42:23
Conor Fowler
Then it's good here.
00:42:24
matt
thats That's how everything should be. like that's That is how I approach vintage.
00:42:26
Nate
Yeah.
00:42:28
matt
you know if i If I think it's cool, and I think...
00:42:29
Nate
Yeah.
00:42:32
matt
you know I don't even necessarily think, like is someone going to buy this? I think, this is fucking rad. And I'm buying it for a couple of bucks at a yard sale from someone that is trying to make a few dollars. like Cool. All right.
00:42:50
Nate
There you go, man. I mean, I think what you're doing with vintage is really cool too. Like I, am you know, I, I see, you know, I see what you're selling online.
00:42:55
matt
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
00:43:00
Nate
I'm always like, Oh man, I wish I was down there. I would go into that flea market where he is, you know, like, but, yeah and then you, I mean, you get messages from me all the time.
00:43:04
matt
Right, right.
00:43:09
Nate
Like what, how much you asking for that? Give me, what is that?
00:43:11
matt
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've we've done some good solid fucking trades over the years.
00:43:12
Nate
Yeah.
00:43:15
matt
i'm like ah i'm so like
00:43:15
Nate
Yeah.
00:43:16
matt
The way I approach my my business and Probably to my detriment at a point, but like, I just want to get cool shit into the hands of people that appreciate it And that's, you know, like, that's how vintage should be.
00:43:26
Nate
Totally.
00:43:29
matt
And that's how clothing in general should be.
00:43:30
Nate
Yeah. Like, yeah, when I was really doing a lot of thrifting and selling stuff, like I was less interested in getting top dollar for it and more interested in making sure it went to, to the right steward, you know?
00:43:43
matt
hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah, I'm also, like, ah you and I are both also cheap as fuck. Like, I'm not going to pay, a you know, I'm not going to pay $300 for something I can make $100 on.
00:43:50
Nate
Oh,
00:43:54
matt
Like, that's ridiculous.
00:43:54
Nate
no way. No, that's silly.
00:43:56
matt
Like, I want to go, like, dig in, you know, some old lady's house or, like, you know, some person at a yard sale. Like, that's, or a thrift store.
00:44:07
matt
Like, gross, dinchy thrift stores.
00:44:07
Nate
Yeah.
00:44:09
matt
That's the fun part.
00:44:09
Nate
Yeah. Yeah. Like I've found brown, a few Browns beach jackets that way.
00:44:11
matt
Right.
00:44:14
matt
Right.
00:44:15
Nate
And then like, I've had other people be like, Hey, my neighbor has a Browns beach jacket. He said he'd sell it. And I'm like, cool. What does he want? And, and, you know, then you know that the guy Googled it.
00:44:29
matt
Right.
00:44:29
Nate
And then he's like, he's he's asking $200.
00:44:31
Nate
I'm like, nope.
00:44:33
matt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:34
Nate
Like, I don't want that.
00:44:34
matt
Which, which like if I had 200 bucks to spend on something, you know, that's a decent profit margin, but that's not, that's not fun.
00:44:44
Nate
No. it's the The whole point is digging and finding it, you know?
00:44:47
matt
Yeah, totally. Totally. Like I, over the weekend, I saw a bunch of woodland camo, which I love and you know, I'm i always hyped when people buy camo stuff, but it's like a basic thing.
00:45:00
matt
And I'm not going to pay 10 bucks a pair for it. You know, like just not, that's not how things work.
00:45:03
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:07
matt
You know, I regularly.
00:45:07
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:08
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:45:08
Nate
Yeah. We were just talking about this, actually. We were talking, I was talking about like, like my, one of my favorite pieces of clothing ever, like the old army wool field shirts, you know, with like the big pockets and everything like those that's, I've owned so many of those.
00:45:11
matt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:21
matt
Right. Right.
00:45:27
Nate
And those were like, $5 pieces at any surplus store and like now you see you see like 20 something vintage sellers that have them online for $100 I'm like what are you doing like i don't know but
00:45:33
Conor Fowler
right
00:45:41
matt
yeah Yeah. Yeah. it's I never want to be that old man that yells at Cloud Simpsons character, but like sometimes you you just gotta be like, yo, come on.
00:45:54
matt
Like, what the fuck?
00:45:54
Nate
yeah well not all it's like you can find those anywhere but more importantly I'm like
00:46:01
Nate
when you know they're going to a surplus store and buying them all out, you're like, you're that you're killing the entire purpose of why a surplus store exists. You know, that's so that people who can't afford the stuff can go there and and actually get things that are going to be useful.
00:46:11
matt
Right, right.
00:46:19
Nate
And like, it's the same with thrift stores raising their prices.
00:46:19
matt
Totally.
00:46:23
Nate
I'm like, and it the thrift stores raise their prices because they go online and they, they see how how much people are paying for stuff online.
00:46:32
matt
Yep.
00:46:32
Nate
Yeah.
00:46:32
Conor Fowler
One, it's more money to the church, which is another thing that I was going to mention about the thrift stores being fucked up is there used to be tons of them, at least here.
00:46:43
Conor Fowler
And now there are none of them. So you used to be able to go to like six or eight in a day.
00:46:45
Nate
Yeah.
00:46:50
Conor Fowler
And now it's like you can't do that at all.
00:46:53
Nate
Yeah.
00:46:53
Conor Fowler
So it's.
00:46:53
Nate
you You might have a Sabres or a Salvation Army, you know.
00:46:56
matt
Yeah, and Savers has closed almost all of the value villages around Atlanta, which is such a bummer.
00:46:56
Conor Fowler
Yeah, if you're lucky.
00:46:58
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:46:58
Nate
Yeah.
00:47:05
Nate
Yeah. Yeah. Like the, the mom and pop thrift stores are, they're closing up everywhere and it's too bad because those are the ones where you go in and you find legitimately weird stuff and you're, you know, those are my favorite ones.
00:47:18
matt
Right, right.
00:47:19
Conor Fowler
And that's the other thing is just the random weirdo shit.
00:47:22
Nate
Yeah.
00:47:23
Conor Fowler
Where can you go to find that type of stuff? You can't go anywhere.
00:47:25
Nate
Yeah. Yeah, that's like my favorite part of going to thrift stores, you know, it's like, I just found a ceramic pickle.
00:47:29
Conor Fowler
Oh yeah, my God.
00:47:34
Conor Fowler
Right, exactly.
00:47:34
Nate
It's so cool.
00:47:34
Conor Fowler
Matt that gave me this Matryoshka doll that is nesting, so like Russian nesting dolls with all of the Soviet premieres on it.
00:47:35
Nate
Yeah, there you go.
00:47:35
matt
Right, right.
00:47:45
Conor Fowler
Where are you going to fucking find that?
00:47:45
Nate
Totally. Yeah, here, as a matter of fact, here.
00:47:47
matt
Yeah. Let's
00:47:53
Nate
Like a mannequin hand? What?
00:47:55
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:47:57
Nate
Where can you get them? you know like
00:47:58
Conor Fowler
Seriously.
00:48:00
Nate
or Or like, a or or here, I'll turn this around.
00:48:00
matt
let's
00:48:00
Conor Fowler
it just is It just is a shame.
00:48:03
Nate
Or or like ah just a big ceramic hand.
00:48:06
Conor Fowler
Wow.
00:48:06
matt
say
00:48:06
Nate
You know, like that's that's the best part of going to thrift stores is just finding weird stuff, you know?
00:48:11
matt
Right.
00:48:14
matt
Totally.
00:48:14
Conor Fowler
I found a life size horse's head candle.
00:48:20
Nate
Life size?
00:48:22
Conor Fowler
It was like, yes, it was like this big and it was a horse's head.
00:48:27
Nate
Did you buy it?
00:48:28
Conor Fowler
Yeah, I had it in my house and I i guess it was lost when I got evicted, but what a fucking find. I mean, I have a, I have a picture of it.
00:48:35
Nate
Did you light it?
00:48:37
Conor Fowler
No, of course not.
00:48:38
Nate
Oh, man, it would have looked so cool melted down.
00:48:39
Conor Fowler
Of course not.
00:48:40
matt
Yeah, seriously, i would love a pitch for this.
00:48:41
Conor Fowler
Well, cause see that's, that's the divide, right? Like, cause I, Matt is like side-eyeing me when, uh, you guys are saying don't baby your shit. Cause I kind of baby my shit, but like the candle, I'm not going to burn the big candle.
00:48:51
Nate
Whatever. if it's It's yours, though.
00:48:56
Conor Fowler
Like that's like a don't touch this button.
00:48:59
Nate
Yeah, I mean, I understand, like, that that whole, like, I will never be able to find this again vibe, but, yeah, so you should have just done it.
00:49:06
Conor Fowler
Right. And now it's gone anyway. but Right. I should have lit it. Yay.
00:49:13
Nate
Yeah, I mean, like, you can see back there, like, you know, like, roller derby skateboards and just all kinds of weird stuff back there.
00:49:21
Conor Fowler
I'm sure you've got a ton of stuff, man. I mean, well, cause you've just been touring the world, right?
00:49:24
Nate
i have...
00:49:28
Nate
Yeah, i'm we're borderlineed borderline hoarders over here.
00:49:31
Conor Fowler
just, just been touring the world. Right, yeah. So you could probably be living a worse life than you are.
00:49:39
Nate
I mean, i'm I'm not complaining, but um yeah, but I just, that's the best is just going out and finding weird stuff, you know, clothes, everything, you know?
00:49:41
Conor Fowler
Yeah, hell yeah.
00:49:48
matt
Totally.
00:49:52
matt
but Where has been like the best shopping or thrifting like for cool, rad shit on tour for you?
00:50:01
Nate
on tour. Oh man.
00:50:03
matt
Yeah, like do you thrift on tour?
00:50:05
Nate
Yeah,
Tour Finds: Vintage Rock T-Shirts and Records
00:50:06
Nate
sometimes like ay when I'm on the road, like I kind of, I live by the, my my motto is live heavy, travel light.
00:50:07
matt
Yeah.
00:50:19
Nate
So like, I like what, like when I go on the road, I bring two pairs of Dickies and like three t-shirts and
00:50:19
matt
Okay, get it. I get it.
00:50:21
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:50:29
Nate
ah like no matter how long I'm gone, you know, like I pack super light and, uh, and just figure it out as I'm going. And so I, I smell bad, but, um, but you know, every now and then we'll have a day off or, or like we'll be in an area where it's like, I can walk around and there's some stuff around here.
00:50:41
Conor Fowler
i'
00:50:50
Nate
And I, you know, you can find stuff every now and then, uh, one of the coolest things, finds I ever had we were in Cleveland and I went to this thrift store and somebody had just dumped a collection of like vintage rock t-shirts and and I was like I started going through the aisle and I was you know going through the rack and I'm like Molly Hatchet tour shirt wow that's cool
00:51:10
matt
Oh, shit.
00:51:19
matt
Oh, damn, yeah.
00:51:21
Nate
ah Throw that on my shoulder, like, and I just kept going and kept, and I was like, oh my God. Like, I, I think I bought like 30 shirts and like, they were all like a dollar, $2.
00:51:36
Nate
But the sickest one, there was a, um, a parliament. shirt, like ah an action from the record label, like a ah parliament three quarter sleeve shirt.
00:51:47
Nate
And I was like, I have never even seen one of these before. Like, this is insane.
00:51:52
Conor Fowler
Wow.
00:51:52
Nate
And so like, that was one of the coolest things I ever, I have ever found on tour. Yeah.
00:51:58
Conor Fowler
In Cleveland, of all places.
00:52:00
Nate
yeah Well, Cleveland rocks, you know,
00:52:02
Conor Fowler
Right?
00:52:02
matt
Right, right, right.
00:52:03
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:52:03
matt
what ah What era of Parkland was that?
00:52:03
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:52:07
Nate
the parliament, it was seventies.
00:52:07
matt
Yeah. Shit.
00:52:10
Nate
Yeah.
00:52:12
Conor Fowler
That's hardcore.
00:52:13
Nate
Yeah. It was like, it was insane. Um, what else? yeah Yeah. There was so much good stuff and I could not believe it. Like, I think it was probably like a radio DJ or something.
00:52:25
matt
It's got to, it had to be. had to be.
00:52:25
Nate
It's just, yeah.
00:52:27
Nate
Um, and, but I've found all kinds of stuff, man. Like I, uh, at the Goodwill up in like a Goodwill up in New Hampshire one time, I just was, I randomly stopped in there and someone had dumped an entire record collection and it was insane.
00:52:46
Nate
Like, like punk records, like government issue records.
00:52:51
Conor Fowler
Oh, yeah. Right.
00:52:52
Nate
And like, yeah, like I was, oh my God.
00:52:52
matt
holy right
00:52:52
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:52:55
Nate
Like, you know, I found stuff that was worth hundreds of dollars, you know, like per record. And, I couldn't believe it. And I, it's, I'm sure you've had those moments where you're like in the thrift store and you'd like, Oh god And you're like looking around, like, does anyone see this?
00:53:10
matt
yeah oh 100 yeah
00:53:10
Conor Fowler
right
00:53:11
Nate
You know?
00:53:12
Conor Fowler
yep
00:53:13
Nate
And I just walked out with a stack of records that, you know, was worth a couple of thousand dollars for, you know, 30 bucks or whatever. Um, yeah.
00:53:23
matt
Man, that, yeah, that that's a dream.
00:53:27
Nate
Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's never going to happen again. Yeah.
00:53:30
matt
Right, right, yeah.
00:53:31
Nate
But, um, But it was it was pretty cool. so and And actually, at that same one, I found someone, I'm
00:53:45
Nate
b blanking right now, but somebody dumped a whole bunch of, like, 70s reggae records, too, that were all in, like, perfect condition.
00:53:53
matt
Oh, that's probably equally as rare as a lot of the punk records.
00:53:53
Conor Fowler
Oh, wow.
00:53:59
Nate
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
00:53:59
Conor Fowler
For sure.
00:54:00
Nate
I was like, whoa, dude. And so I grabbed all those. But yeah.
00:54:05
matt
That's fucking awesome.
00:54:05
Nate
And then then they're just then they're just all sitting in sitting over there and doing nothing.
00:54:12
matt
Yeah, that's part of the reason I sold my collection. Like, years ago, my buddy was opening a shop, and I was just like, dude, I haven't had a working record player in a decade. Like,
00:54:22
Nate
I did that.
00:54:22
matt
Why?
00:54:23
Nate
i I did the same thing. like Now it would be 16 ago. um
00:54:29
matt
Oh, God, yeah.
00:54:31
Nate
I sold my entire record collection to Ben from Drop Dead for Armageddon Shop. And he he just came over to my house with his van, took everything and gave me a check.
00:54:45
Nate
And I was like, thank you. Cause I don't, we were, we were going to move.
00:54:48
matt
Yeah.
00:54:49
Nate
And I didn't want to move all that all that stuff again. and And I just didn't like,
00:54:54
matt
Right.
00:54:56
Nate
I go through these periods of just not caring about anything I own. I'm like, just get rid of it. I don't care. Get it out of here.
00:55:01
matt
Yeah, same, same.
00:55:02
Nate
And
00:55:03
matt
lot of times i I'll just be like, I have too much stuff.
00:55:06
matt
And it's like something doesn't need to sit on the shelf when someone else can appreciate it.
00:55:06
Nate
yeah.
00:55:06
Nate
And
00:55:11
Nate
yeah, I basically, have um I like look at things and I'm like, have I touched this in the past two years?
00:55:12
Conor Fowler
I'm there. Yeah.
00:55:18
Nate
No, it's out of here. And so I did that and
00:55:21
matt
Right, right.
00:55:21
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:55:25
Nate
put the money towards the down payment on our house. And so, yeah, so it was worth it.
00:55:28
matt
Right. Yeah. Oh, I remember this period, I think. So.
00:55:33
Nate
But then, like, I don't know, I didn't have a record player for years. And then actually Jake from Converge one day was just like, hey, I've got you know, I've got a Techniques 1200 just sitting here because I got a new turntable. You want it? And I was like, yeah, sure.
00:55:54
matt
Right.
00:55:54
Nate
And I set it set it up and was like, oh, I, like, I still had a couple of records and I was listening to them and I was like, man, forgot how much I enjoy this. And then it's like, oh, I'm buying records again.
00:56:08
Nate
And now, now I'm surrounded by them and i listen to like a quarter of them, you know.
00:56:09
matt
yeah
00:56:16
matt
But also, you're one of those dudes that, like, you're not jaded on music at this point. And, like, you know, I feel like a record player suits you. You listen to shit.
00:56:27
Nate
Yeah, I do. I do.
00:56:29
matt
Yeah. And, ah the the like, I've been buying CDs again, which is great. And, like, I bought... ah The, fuck, what was the name of it?
00:56:40
matt
the The, like, No Alternative, I think. No, not No Alternative. It was, like, the the record that had Pearl Jam, Last Kiss, and Ranch Against Machine that goes to Tom Joad on it.
00:56:52
Conor Fowler
Mm-hmm.
00:56:52
matt
It was, like, for ko for Kosovo refugees back in the 90s.
00:56:52
Nate
Oh yeah.
00:56:55
Nate
Yeah, I remember that.
00:56:55
matt
Like, I bought that on Saturday, and I was like, fuck, man, I had this as a kid. I need this again. You know.
00:57:02
Nate
That's the best Rage Against the Machine song.
00:57:05
matt
ah Dude, it that video blew my fucking mind the first time I heard it.
00:57:09
Nate
I love, like, that riff is so good.
00:57:12
matt
Oh, it's so good. And like, I had no idea who Tom Joad was. I was not a Spring...
00:57:15
Nate
Yeah.
00:57:16
matt
I wasn't a Springsteen fan at that point. Like, now I'm a Springsteen superfan.
00:57:21
matt
But I was like, I need i need to own this again.
00:57:21
Nate
Yeah.
00:57:25
Nate
Yeah, it's cool, man. Sometimes just revisiting that stuff is it's awesome.
00:57:29
matt
Yeah, yeah. And like, it's different than streaming.
00:57:30
Nate
You know
00:57:32
matt
Like, you put a put a CD in, put a tape in. you know, like, it's it's more enjoyable.
00:57:36
Nate
Yeah.
00:57:38
Conor Fowler
They're not going to play you dog shit at the end of it.
00:57:38
Nate
The ritual.
00:57:40
matt
Well, also, like, I love listening to the radio because, outside of the commercials, just having, like, hearing a Stones song on the radio is different than me going to Apple Music and, like, putting on sticky sticky fingers and putting on a song I want to hear.
00:57:53
Nate
And picking it. Yeah.
00:57:57
Nate
Yeah, i mean, that was the thing about growing up with the radio. It was like, the song came on, you're like, oh, this is on, hold on.
00:57:57
Conor Fowler
Yeah, because it's – yeah.
00:58:00
matt
Totally! Totally! It's got some... Yeah, yeah!
00:58:04
Nate
Not changing the station, you know, like,
00:58:04
matt
Like, I'm not changing the station or I'm going to try to record it, you know, on a tape.
00:58:08
Nate
Yeah.
00:58:09
matt
Like it's.
00:58:10
Nate
Or like you'd be driving and you would get to where you're driving you're like not getting out of the car until this song's over.
00:58:15
matt
Yeah, totally.
00:58:15
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:58:15
Nate
You know?
00:58:16
matt
Totally. I love that feeling. Like the, the port on my phone doesn't work for, uh, for like, you know, playing through a tape.
00:58:25
Nate
Yeah.
00:58:26
matt
So I'm just like, okay, like I'm in radio mode. I'm cool with that.
00:58:30
Nate
That's fun. And I mean, like with with listening to records, it's like there's ah the ritual of like
00:58:31
matt
Yeah.
00:58:37
matt
Yes.
00:58:37
Nate
pick keep picking it up and like, higher I'm putting it on the record player. I'm going to listen. And like, it's not as passive as just streaming music. You know, it's like you have, you purposely physically done this thing that you're going to, now I'm going to sit and listen to it.
00:58:46
matt
Totally.
00:58:53
matt
Yeah.
00:58:53
Nate
And like, I,
00:58:53
matt
Yeah. And ah I'm not trying to fan void, but ah at like 1230, the day that Love is Not Enough was released, I did that.
00:59:01
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:59:03
matt
I put it on and I listened to it. I actively, i didn't scroll, i didn't look at anything for 30 minutes.
00:59:11
Nate
Oh, well, thank you for that.
00:59:12
matt
And I was just like, yeah. Like this, I was so excited to hear it and just kind yeah.
00:59:17
Nate
That's, that's what we were going for.
00:59:17
Conor Fowler
and
00:59:19
Nate
You know, like, um it's four minutes longer than Rain and Blood, you know, and like, we were, that's,
00:59:28
matt
Right, right. Rated Blood is another one that I can just put on and concentrate on.
00:59:33
Nate
That was our point, like with this record, where like, I just want to make a record that you put on and you don't want to turn it off. And as soon it ends, as soon as it ends, you want to press play again, you know?
00:59:40
matt
Dude.
00:59:43
matt
Yep. Yep. I have listened to it probably 30 times since it came out.
00:59:48
Nate
Well, thank you. That's awesome.
00:59:49
matt
Yeah. Yeah. It's, ah it, it, like, again, don't want a fanboy, but like it jumped, it's in my top five of Converge records. And, you know,
00:59:58
Nate
Wow. Well, that means a lot. um
01:00:01
matt
Cool.
01:00:02
Nate
I'm grateful for that. Thank you.
01:00:03
matt
I can't wait to see it live.
01:00:06
Nate
Me too.
01:00:07
matt
ah
01:00:07
Nate
but
01:00:09
matt
um Okay. So I guess couple of last questions. ah We, we have asked a few people this um and I want to know what your answer is, but your top five hardcore records.
Top Hardcore Records and Music Memories
01:00:26
Nate
Top five hardcore records.
01:00:30
matt
Oh, so we have one. i have i personally have one more small question and then one one last question. but
01:00:37
Nate
You can ask as many questions as you want.
01:00:39
matt
so to
01:00:39
Nate
It's all good.
01:00:39
Conor Fowler
Haha.
01:00:40
Nate
All right. Top five hardcore records. I'm going to go with the Embrace LP. um And then Brains, Rock for Light.
01:00:52
matt
Yeah! Wait, so so I'm not the only one that prefers Rock for Light to the self-title?
01:00:53
Nate
Maybe.
01:00:58
Nate
but i guess not. I think Rock for Light's better. And like the the reggae tracks are better.
01:01:01
matt
Yeah, same.
01:01:04
Nate
like I feel like it's way more feral. like the The performances are just like just ripping. you know
01:01:13
matt
Yeah, also the production is better.
01:01:14
Nate
and and i i love every I love every Bad Brains record, but Rock for Light is the one that's the one that was like hooked me.
01:01:18
matt
Yeah.
01:01:23
Nate
you know I was like, this is the greatest band I've ever heard in my life.
01:01:26
matt
Right.
01:01:26
Nate
um Then maybe
01:01:31
Nate
um might have to go with Integrity, those who fear tomorrow.
01:01:35
matt
Okay, alright.
01:01:37
Nate
um
01:01:42
Nate
Like, I don't want to go to DC heavy, but maybe Faith-Voyd split.
01:01:51
matt
Yeah!
01:01:54
Nate
And then, um
01:01:58
Nate
that's four. What's number five? Like, now it's like, oh, wait, I'm thinking of 300 other records that could easily...
01:02:05
matt
I mean, it's hard to narrow it down.
01:02:08
Nate
Yeah. um I mean...
01:02:16
Nate
Black Flag damaged? I don't know.
01:02:17
matt
Okay.
01:02:18
Nate
I mean, like, I'm definitely a first wave guy. You know, like, even even though I came up in the 90s and, like, there are a lot of...
01:02:22
matt
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:28
Nate
second and third wave hardcore bands that I that i love. Like I still, oh you know, no, I'm going to go negative approach tied down.
01:02:37
matt
Okay, all right, all right. do Wait, do do you know ah John?
01:02:43
Nate
I've met him. I wouldn't say I know him.
01:02:44
matt
Okay.
01:02:45
Nate
You know, we, we've like, we played um one of the neurosis 30th anniversary shows together. And we were sharing a, like a green room.
01:02:58
Nate
and he was just telling the coolest stories. i was I was like, I'm just like, I just want to sit here and listen to you talk all night long.
01:03:02
matt
Oh, I can only imagine.
01:03:07
matt
He seems super personable.
01:03:09
Nate
He's really, really cool. He's really funny. um
01:03:11
matt
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:13
Nate
You know, he was talking about, I remember, I don't know how we got on the subject, but Foo Fighters came up for some reason, and he was like, i just, I can't believe it's that guy.
01:03:25
Nate
Like, that's the guy.
01:03:27
Conor Fowler
Wow, that's hysterical.
01:03:27
Nate
And ah that's the guy that's like, ah you know, that's like, the he used to sleep on my floor. He slept on my floor. You know, and i'm I just thought that was really cool. he He wasn't like dissing him.
01:03:37
Nate
He was just like, it's crazy that this kid that slept on my floor is like the biggest rock star in the world now.
01:03:39
matt
Oh, yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, that that would have been like Scream era for Dave Grohl.
01:03:45
Nate
Yeah.
01:03:45
matt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:47
Nate
Yeah.
01:03:47
matt
Yeah.
01:03:47
Nate
And like, I think he described him as the new drummer of Scream.
01:03:51
matt
love that
01:03:52
Nate
right
01:03:52
Conor Fowler
wow that's hysterical
01:03:54
Nate
Which, yeah, I was like, that is awesome. um
01:03:57
matt
yeah i love the
01:03:57
Nate
yeah he
01:03:58
Conor Fowler
It's so weird to think of DC as a punk place
DC vs. New York Hardcore Scenes
01:04:01
Conor Fowler
too. I mean, I know of course it was, and to a certain extent it is, but it still is like bizarre.
01:04:09
Conor Fowler
I mean, i don't know how much time you've spent in DC, like, but yeah, I don't know.
01:04:12
Nate
I've spent a lot of time in D.C.
01:04:15
Conor Fowler
It's quite gray these days.
01:04:17
Nate
it's it's It's a weird town. It's always been a weird town. But
01:04:21
Conor Fowler
Yeah. Extremely. So maybe it does make sense that it's like the hardcore nucleus. Yeah.
01:04:27
Nate
Yeah, I mean, it's it's certainly one of them. um
01:04:30
Conor Fowler
Right.
01:04:31
Nate
Like, i mean, growing up in Virginia, like, I kind of worshipped DC hardcore. You know, that was like, you know I feel like you have people that worship New York hardcore and people that worship DC hardcore.
01:04:38
matt
Right, right.
01:04:46
Nate
I was a DC hardcore guy. and I mean, not to say I don't love New York hardcore bands as well, but, like, I'm definitely, i mean, it depends on the era.
01:04:48
Conor Fowler
I'm in the D.C. camp too.
01:04:52
matt
Right.
01:04:52
Conor Fowler
New York is too macho, in my opinion.
01:04:57
Nate
for sure. But um i I understand that.
01:04:59
Conor Fowler
Mm-hmm.
01:05:04
Nate
I understand why why people feel that way. I mean, I think the the thing that's really interesting about that dichotomy is DC hardcore, like even though it, well, both of those scenes were like heavily influenced by bad brains, but in different ways.
01:05:23
matt
Right, right.
01:05:24
Nate
um But like, DC hardcore were, you know, it was primarily made up of kids who, you know, had money and had, it came from families, like people's parents were diplomats and you know what I mean?
01:05:41
Conor Fowler
Right. Right. Right.
01:05:42
Nate
And like, not, not all of them, of course, but like you were coming from more of a, of a mindset where, you know, creating art and music was,
01:05:58
Nate
an easier thing to do because you didn't have to worry about how you're going have food on the table. Whereas a lot of the New York hardcore people were legitimately like poor people. And some of them were homeless. Some of them were street people.
01:06:13
matt
Right.
01:06:13
Nate
And so their whole attitude about it was completely different, you know, and they, they lived in an environment where being aggressive was, you know, kind of,
01:06:13
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
01:06:28
Nate
part of it. You had to be to survive.
01:06:30
Conor Fowler
That is an enlightened perspective.
01:06:32
Nate
Yeah. So it it is interesting how those two environments took the same sort of influences, like, you know, a band like the Bad Brains and took them in completely different directions.
01:06:45
Conor Fowler
Yeah, it's amazing.
01:06:45
matt
Right.
01:06:46
Nate
So, yeah.
01:06:46
matt
Right. Yeah.
01:06:48
Nate
All right.
01:06:48
matt
the
01:06:49
Nate
So other questions, what are they?
01:06:51
matt
Okay. So, like I said, and i re-listened to your interview with Jeremy. um You wrote the fucking...
01:06:58
Nate
I don't even remember what I said.
01:06:59
matt
You wrote the heaven in her arms. Moshrif?
01:07:04
Nate
ah did.
01:07:05
matt
Sorry, that was Hard War, not Jeremy. But...
01:07:08
Nate
ah yeah, I did write down.
01:07:09
matt
man. That's my favorite Converge song. And like that that, like that's such a huge inspiration that me and the bases in my band connected with ah originally.
01:07:20
matt
Like, God damn it.
01:07:20
Nate
Oh, thank you.
01:07:22
matt
I had no idea.
01:07:24
Nate
Yeah, I did it. It was me. I did it. Just jamming.
01:07:27
matt
That's one of the, that's one of the fucking,
01:07:28
Nate
Jamming in my room.
01:07:29
matt
Dude, one of the hardest mosh parts of all time. And like it's it is not like Hatebreed, but like there's melody and like you know difference you know different kind of shit in it.
01:07:33
Nate
Oh, well.
01:07:43
matt
That's it.
01:07:44
Nate
Thank you.
01:07:45
Conor Fowler
There's different kinds of shit in it.
01:07:48
matt
Yeah, like like it's it's it's so hard, but it has like it has notes in it.
01:07:48
Nate
if
01:07:49
Conor Fowler
No, but that's really understood. Yeah, I mean...
01:07:56
matt
It's not just like a chunk of chunk of riff.
01:07:59
Nate
I put some notes in there.
01:08:00
matt
yeah ella Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:01
Nate
so
01:08:02
matt
I don't know. I had to get that out of my system. But, of course, but of course.
01:08:05
Nate
I appreciate it man. Thank you.
01:08:07
matt
ah And for the last question,
Apocalyptic Fashion Choices
01:08:10
Nate
Okay.
01:08:11
matt
what are you wearing in the apocalypse?
01:08:14
Nate
In the apocalypse.
01:08:15
matt
Yeah, like like shit goes to hell, even more so, and and we're in like a Mad Max situation. What are you grabbing?
01:08:24
Nate
Oh, so like the Pockyclips, as they say in Beyond Thunderdome.
01:08:27
matt
The apocalypse. Yes. yeah
01:08:30
Conor Fowler
Right. Yeah.
01:08:31
Nate
Not the religious version of the apocalypse, in which case I'd be like, yeah, I'm just taking it all off.
01:08:33
matt
No, no.
01:08:36
Nate
Who cares?
01:08:37
matt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:37
Conor Fowler
yeah
01:08:37
Nate
Burn me up.
01:08:38
matt
I mean, you can take it all off if that's your thing, but.
01:08:40
Nate
ah um yeah Like, I'd probably wear these same Dickies carpenter pants I've been wearing every day for the past few months and on and off for years.
01:08:56
Nate
Uh, probably a pair of Blundstones cause those are just my everyday shit kickers.
01:09:03
matt
Yeah, yeah.
01:09:03
Nate
Um, you know, uh, I don't know.
01:09:09
Nate
A t-shirt. yeah
01:09:12
matt
Right,
01:09:12
Nate
Yeah. Carhartt jacket or something that that I'm not too worried about getting ripped open.
01:09:19
matt
right.
01:09:19
Nate
And, uh,
01:09:19
matt
Right.
01:09:23
Nate
a hat, a baseball hat that fits on my head. i don't know.
01:09:27
Conor Fowler
very practical very practical i mean listen the the there have been other answers to this that are varying degrees of detail so if you think people have not gone off the deep end with this shit i mean they have
01:09:27
Nate
I got it.
01:09:37
matt
Right, right, yeah.
01:09:38
Nate
I believe it.
01:09:43
Nate
Oh, I believe that they have. I'm just like, what, what is practical? All right. These pants, they have pockets.
01:09:48
Conor Fowler
yeah well and you're kind of fucked it anyway
01:09:50
Nate
Yeah, they got pockets. These boots, that and that they'll you know they're going to work. they like They're just, yeah, they're workhorses. Yeah, it's really just what what is a workhorse. You know what I'd wear?
01:10:05
Nate
I would wear, um
01:10:10
Nate
I would not wear a car horn jacket. I would wear it my A2 deck jacket.
01:10:17
matt
jack dragon. All right. All right.
01:10:19
Nate
Yeah. I'll pick, I'm A2 over N1.
01:10:22
matt
Yeah, same, same. It's got the chest pocket.
01:10:25
Nate
Yeah, it's way more utilitarian.
01:10:27
matt
Yeah, same, same.
01:10:29
Nate
So A2 deck jacket, um and then like a baseball hat that fits my giant head because like one out of every 15 hats fits my stupid giant misshapen head.
01:10:44
matt
Dude, I feel it.
01:10:45
Conor Fowler
Mm-hmm.
01:10:45
Nate
And then...
01:10:45
matt
I feel it.
01:10:47
matt
Wait, what hat size are you?
01:10:47
Nate
and then
01:10:50
Nate
What hat size?
01:10:50
matt
You like how fitted.
01:10:52
Nate
Seven five eighths, seven and three quarters.
01:10:53
matt
Yeah, same. Same. They suck. It sucks.
01:10:56
Nate
Yeah.
01:10:56
matt
Trying to find vintage hats.
01:10:58
Nate
Yeah. And like, I don't even mess with fitted hats because even if I get one, it's like, it just doesn't fit right.
01:11:03
matt
Yeah.
01:11:05
Nate
Like I, I like like old K brand hats and stuff like that, you know?
01:11:08
matt
Yeah, Cabran, old polo hats are great for big heads.
01:11:12
Nate
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:14
matt
Yeah, my ah my buddy Will has a seven and three quarter head. And I found a Daisy Mae a few years ago. And I was like, dude, take it. the You're never going to find one.
01:11:26
Nate
I still have one that I got from you. The the same size.
01:11:28
matt
so shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:29
Nate
Yeah.
01:11:29
matt
I forgot about that.
01:11:31
Nate
Yeah.
01:11:31
matt
Yeah.
01:11:32
Nate
Yeah, that one's like a, that's a classic. I put that one on when I go to the beach and people are like looking at you.
01:11:35
matt
Yeah.
01:11:38
Nate
Like, what is that? ah like, if you only knew how cool this is.
01:11:40
matt
it looks It looks like... sweet Right, right. Also, it looks less weird than the, like, capital version with the strap and the the buckle and shit. Like, yeah, yeah.
01:11:50
Nate
too much. Oh, and then, ah you know what? And then I would also wear a, I've got like one of those 1950s, like Korean War ah field shirts, like the two pocket one, like the sateen ones.
01:12:04
matt
Okay, yeah.
01:12:07
matt
Right, right.
01:12:07
Nate
it was and Those are like indestructible.
01:12:12
Nate
to ah and rock
01:12:12
matt
Oh, totally, totally.
01:12:14
Nate
Yeah.
01:12:15
matt
Oh, man.
01:12:16
Nate
That's, I would just look like a homeless veteran. Yeah.
01:12:19
matt
Yeah, I mean, basically the same.
01:12:22
matt
Connor and I have both answered this question, and our our one thing that we had in common was an M51 fish shark. Because you could use that shit as a tent if need be.
01:12:22
Nate
Yeah.
01:12:33
Nate
Oh, yeah, classic.
01:12:36
Nate
That's a good one.
01:12:39
Conor Fowler
Uh, well, I think Matt is back.
01:12:43
matt
Yeah.
01:12:43
Nate
Did we lose him?
01:12:44
matt
Good. Yeah. I don't know what happened. My internet sucks.
01:12:44
Nate
Oh, there he is.
01:12:47
Nate
Yeah, it's all good.
01:12:47
matt
Sorry.
01:12:50
matt
Yeah.
01:12:50
Nate
Yeah, it's that's something like that.
01:12:53
Nate
You know, nothing too crazy. Basically, it's stuff I wear all the time anyways.
01:12:57
matt
Right. Right.
01:12:58
Nate
You know?
01:12:59
matt
Uh, out curiosity, have you had influence on your bandmates as far as like clothing goes?
01:13:06
Nate
definitely Jake.
01:13:07
matt
Yeah.
01:13:07
Nate
Like I, I fully turned Jake onto Ironheart and like he and I are always like, Hey man, you see those new flavors? You see, you know, I think I might get this.
01:13:17
matt
and That's awesome. Because Jake's wife also has a vintage business, right?
Vintage Clothing Market and Selling Insights
01:13:21
Nate
Yeah. She has a vintage store, which she, when I do sell a vintage stuff, I usually, I just bring it to her shop.
01:13:23
matt
Yeah.
01:13:28
matt
Yeah, it's Diamonds and Rust, right?
01:13:31
Nate
Yeah.
01:13:31
matt
Yeah.
01:13:31
Nate
It's usually
01:13:32
matt
I've followed her forever.
01:13:34
Nate
Oh, she's it's a great shop, man. And she's she's got a really good eye. So, like, I usually sell stuff through her or my friend Luke, who owns a vintage store. Used to be in Brooklyn, but now it's in – he moved it up into upstate New York, and it's called Luddite Antiques.
01:13:53
matt
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you've told about that before.
01:13:55
Nate
Yeah. So he's he's, like, the stuff the stuff that I – when I find something that I'm, like, right? This is worth money. He, he, it goes to him. But if I'm like, this is cool. And I know someone would be into this. It goes to Janelle.
01:14:08
matt
Yeah, totally.
01:14:10
Nate
Like, um, a couple years ago, uh, went to, a yard sale and, ah ah there was a trunk and I opened it up and there was a, uh, I couldn't believe this man. There was a, um,
01:14:28
Nate
a Langlitz green label, um, cascade jacket. Like, I don't know if you're familiar with Langlitz leathers out in Portland, Oregon.
01:14:36
matt
Yeah, yeah.
01:14:38
Nate
So a green label. So it was from like 1948.
01:14:41
matt
Right.
01:14:42
Nate
And, I was like, Oh my God, I couldn't believe it was too small for me. i was so bummed, but I mean, the thing was gorgeous. And, uh, I, you know, I asked about it and, uh, the, the guy selling, it was like, oh, that was my brother's, you know, he, he got it after he came back from world war II or whatever, came back from the war.
01:15:04
Nate
Maybe that was the Korean. I don't know what year was, but, um, it was a green label. So it was in the forties. And, uh, he was like, i don't know, how's a hundred bucks. And I was like, yeah, yes.
01:15:16
matt
Yeah, totally.
01:15:17
Nate
And, uh, And then that i sold i took to to Luddite eventually, and he sold it to a vintage dealer that comes over from Japan. And and it made a lot of money on that jacket.
01:15:33
matt
yeah yeah.
01:15:34
matt
Obviously.
01:15:34
Nate
But I honestly, if it had been my size, I never would have gotten rid of that thing.
01:15:39
Nate
i Like I wanted it to fit me so bad, but it yeah, it was too small.
01:15:42
matt
Was it too small? Yeah, yeah. Like, something i don't think a lot of people realize is, like, soldiers from, you know, the, like, early 1900s to Vietnam were basically children.
01:15:59
Nate
Yeah.
01:15:59
matt
So, yeah.
01:16:00
Conor Fowler
They've always been children. what do you mean?
01:16:01
matt
Yeah, yeah, they were, like, 18, 19, 20, know. you know
01:16:04
Nate
Yeah. it's It's funny because like, you know, I've had that conversation. it it took me a while to put to put two and two together in that where where it was like, why is all this good vintage stuff like, why are all the jackets like size 38?
01:16:22
Nate
Why can't I wear any of them?
01:16:22
matt
Right. Right.
01:16:24
Nate
And we're like, oh, he was this person was 19 years old. You know, like, yeah.
01:16:28
matt
Yeah. 100%.
01:16:31
Nate
So.
01:16:33
Conor Fowler
RIP. Reprisal.
01:16:34
Nate
R.I.P.
01:16:35
matt
RIP. Uh, well, Nate, dude, this has been fucking awesome. Um, yeah, it's great having you on the show and just being able to to nerd out about shit.
01:16:46
matt
But, uh,
01:16:46
Nate
I will nerd out with you anytime. You know that.
01:16:48
matt
Yeah, fuck yeah. We'll have you back on. Just just do a Nate Newton like report every now and again.
01:16:54
Nate
Yeah, sure.
01:16:54
Conor Fowler
reprisal
01:16:56
Nate
Whatever. I had a blast on.
01:16:56
matt
When you're not on the road.
01:16:58
Nate
Thank you for having me. Seriously.
01:16:59
matt
course Of course. um Tell everyone where they can find you, your band, e etc.
01:17:06
Nate
Uh, you can find me in a, at the, at the skate park or, well, we didn't, or honestly, let less so at the skate park and more likely behind the shopping center with a, just skating a curb with, with a, with a bunch of other old dudes.
01:17:13
Conor Fowler
ah
01:17:13
matt
We didn't even get into skating! God damn.
01:17:24
matt
Yeah, doing slappies.
01:17:27
Nate
Um, Or you can find me on tour with Converge um throughout April and May.
Upcoming Tours and Listener Engagement
01:17:37
Nate
ah Converge and Poison the Well will be on tour in the States.
01:17:39
matt
Yeah.
01:17:40
Nate
Old Man Gloom is going to be doing a bunch of shows this year as well.
01:17:44
matt
Shit, yeah! yeah
01:17:45
Nate
um Yeah, just the cave-in will, like Adam had shoulder surgery, so he's just now getting to the point where he can play guitar again. So cave-in will start playing shows again soon.
01:17:56
matt
Fuck yeah.
01:17:56
Nate
And yeah.
01:17:59
Nate
And yeah, just, you can, you just see me out there, man.
01:18:03
matt
Just see, yeah.
01:18:04
Conor Fowler
ah
01:18:04
matt
See him out there. Nate is one of the coolest dudes you will, you will talk to and yeah. Conversion rules. Oh my God rules. Cave in fucking rules.
01:18:15
matt
Yeah.
01:18:15
Nate
Thank you very much.
01:18:16
matt
Of course. Of course. um Everyone, you can find us at a pocket of studs on Instagram. podcaststuds at gmail.com. Send us a record recommendation.
01:18:28
matt
like Me and Connor listen to shit. you know bit we
01:18:32
Nate
You want a record recommendation from me?
01:18:33
matt
yeah let's Let's hear it. Yes.
01:18:36
Nate
so no, i was that ah just addressed to your to your audience, or was that or were you asking me?
01:18:40
matt
that was That was addressed to everyone, you' included. so Give us a rec.
01:18:45
Nate
New record?
01:18:46
matt
ah
01:18:47
Nate
New record or old record?
01:18:49
matt
Let's do one of each.
01:18:51
Nate
Okay. a New record. First thing that pops into my head, new hardcore record is Well, now it's from last year, but Stress Positions, Human Zoo.
01:19:03
matt
Oh, yeah. I've been meeting and listening to them since they played Sound Stay Fest.
01:19:08
Nate
They are hands down my favorite current hardcore band, like without question. Just absolutely feral.
01:19:15
matt
Hell yes.
01:19:19
Nate
Like,
01:19:19
matt
Yeah, I've heard a song or two, and they seem fucking sick.
01:19:23
Nate
savage weirdos is how I describe them.
01:19:25
matt
Savage Weirdos.
01:19:26
Conor Fowler
Mm-hmm.
01:19:26
matt
All right.
01:19:27
Nate
Yeah.
01:19:27
matt
All right. Down.
01:19:28
Nate
um And then old record. um Well, this week I've been listening to a lot of Robin Trower, like Bridge of Sighs, great record, Twice Removed from Yesterday, and great record.
01:19:38
matt
Okay.
01:19:43
Nate
But if you like free jazz, I've been really digging on it. There's this Japanese record from the 70s, um
01:19:54
Nate
the Yosuke Yamashita Trio, and the record's called Chiyazuma. And it it'll rip your head off. It's insane.
01:20:02
matt
okay All right.
01:20:03
Nate
Like, it's what, I put that record on once in the van and just everyone was like, what the hell is this? Like, this is insane.
01:20:14
Nate
you't You'll love it. Yeah.
01:20:16
Conor Fowler
Wow.
01:20:16
matt
Sick. Sick. i'm I'm admittedly not a jazz person. like I can't wrap my head around it, but I'll give it a listen.
01:20:25
Nate
I became a jazz person later in life because like,
01:20:27
matt
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:30
Nate
you know, you, you know, like take six, doda du du don or to take five, don't know, whatever.
01:20:35
matt
Okay.
01:20:38
Nate
That's what you think of, or you think of some dude scatting like scooby-dee-bee, you know, like that's dumb, man. But it it wasn't until I started hearing like really wild avant-garde free jazz that I was like, Oh, where it has that same kind of chaotic energy as like hardcore or,
01:20:45
matt
Right, right.
01:20:54
matt
Okay.
01:20:59
matt
Right.
01:21:00
Nate
you know, where I was like, oh yeah, there, that's what I was looking for. Like my, my real, my first real, um, like intro to it was last exit.
01:21:13
Nate
Um, so listen to the last exit album and, uh, go from there.
01:21:18
matt
sounds Sounds good. Sounds good. ah therere oh ah
01:21:21
Nate
Right on.
01:21:23
matt
Also, I forgot to tell you this like a month ago, but there's like a show on the local Georgia Tech station. i think it's every Sunday from 3 to 4.
01:21:35
matt
And they do like the history of us like a genre. And it it wasn't it was Metalcore a few weeks ago.
01:21:41
Nate
Oh, that's cool.
01:21:43
Nate
Oh,
01:21:44
matt
And the last song they played was Heaven in Her Arms by Converge. And I was just like, what the fuck?
01:21:44
Conor Fowler
No, that's funny.
01:21:50
Nate
whoa.
01:21:52
matt
Like, they played some, some like, uh, I'm pretty sure Neurosis, some other like, you know, early nineties to mid nineties stuff.
01:22:00
Nate
All right.
01:22:01
matt
And I was just like, I've never heard Converge on the radio.
01:22:02
Nate
Okay.
01:22:03
matt
This is one of the coolest things after, and then then the the, then the,
01:22:06
Nate
That's bizarre, but cool. Thanks to them.
01:22:09
matt
Then the one this past Sunday was about Japanese noise and Merge Battle was one of the bands they played.
01:22:16
Nate
Oh, yeah.
01:22:18
matt
I was just like, this show rules.
01:22:18
Nate
That's.
01:22:21
Nate
So somebody there's into some cool stuff then. That's that's rad.
01:22:23
matt
Oh, totally, totally. Yeah, like if, if you know, early 20s people were talking about this shit, cool.
01:22:30
Nate
Awesome. That's one cool thing about the Internet is it's turned people on to some cool shit.
01:22:31
matt
Hell yeah.
01:22:34
matt
It really is. It really is. And yeah.
01:22:36
Nate
You know, a little that's the this little bit right here is the cool thing about the Internet and then the rest of it. Throw it the trash.
01:22:43
Conor Fowler
As long as it's dog shit ruining the world.
01:22:43
matt
Totally. Yeah. We're we're all.
01:22:45
Conor Fowler
But before we get into that shit, we gotta go.
01:22:49
matt
Yeah.
01:22:50
Nate
Yes. All right.
01:22:51
matt
Anyway. Yeah. Nate, thank you one more time. And everyone, we will see you next Wednesday.
01:22:57
Nate
Thanks for having me.
01:22:59
Conor Fowler
Ta-ta.