Transcript
Conor Fowler: Hello and welcome to yet another agonizing episode of Apocalypse Studs.
Billy: I'm sorry.
Conor Fowler: I am your co-host Connor Fowler.
matt: And I'm your other co-host, Matt Smith.
Conor Fowler: So blah blah blah we always say that the shows are long in the making and to an extent this is true of every show. Like we have to harass people to get on the show and to schedule them and all sorts of stuff and they have to you know, fit on our super busy calendars.
Conor Fowler: So this one is truly a special episode. Um, we welcome the one, the only Bilbo Baggins, the Jarbalith, big bill, the Jarbanator. Here's a man who once threw a little Debbie's oatmeal cream pie through a door, a man who went toe to toe with the most profitable company in history and won A man who is coolly quoted in the paper of record.
Conor Fowler: He's a yogi. He's a guitarist. He runs record label. He plays in bands. He mentors youths. What can he do? Eat meat. This is William Brooke Jarvo the third welcome
Billy: Hello. Of
matt: Thanks for coming on, man. I knew Connor would and new connor would work up a special intro because of your guys' friendship and long-term history with each other.
Billy: course.
Billy: Yeah, it's crazy.
Conor Fowler: We've known each other since the first grade.
Billy: One of my longest, yeah, first grade. It's crazy.
matt: First grade. Goddamn.
Conor Fowler: Which actually Billy was, ah Billy was five foot 10 in the first grade.
matt: ah
Conor Fowler: So, and I've actually always been the same height that I am right now, which is three foot five.
Billy: Nah, I was taller than everybody.
matt: Yeah, yeah you um i have I've met Billy when I went to Baltimore a couple of years ago. How tall are you? You're like 6'8"? God damn,
Conor Fowler: Whoa, we're asking the real question.
Billy: yeah six eight six eight
matt: Yeah. six eight god damn dude
Billy: e
matt: yeah
Conor Fowler: I wouldn't even know, to be honest with you, I wouldn't have known that. I feel like I've always been saying that you're 6'4", and the truth, the horrible truth is so much worse.
Billy: yeah
Conor Fowler: ah Yeah, so we wanted to, I guess, um I think we should talk about the music first, since that's like what is consuming you at the moment.
Billy: sure
Conor Fowler: ah We want to talk about your creative practice, your daily creative practice.
matt: Thank you.
Conor Fowler: You're probably the first person I ever heard heard use that phrase. So
Billy: What daily creative practice?
Conor Fowler: yeah we want to get into your brain and figure out how it is that you were able to do all this shit and like still have a job and like a partner and like all this other shit that you have.
Conor Fowler: So,
Billy: Yeah. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: ah
Billy: Well, it's it's a long, it's definitely a long thing. Okay, real quick, I'm not seeing any wavelengths on my, like, little thing on the bottom. Does that mean, I just want to make sure that, like, the, oh, you're seeing that.
Conor Fowler: I am, though.
matt: No.
Conor Fowler: I see them on yours. Yeah.
matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Billy: Oh, okay.
matt: You're fine. You're fine.
Billy: Okay, okay, okay.
Conor Fowler: You're good. Yeah, you're good.
Billy: I'm not seeing, I don't want to go through this whole long-ass story.
Conor Fowler: See, Billy? No, no, no. I don't want to talk this shit with these morons and then have to do it again.
Billy: Yeah, well, I just need, yeah, making sure it's really recording.
Conor Fowler: no No, dude, it's all good.
Billy: That's cool.
Conor Fowler: So after you.
Billy: Well, the music, okay, I was thinking about just how to, like, what is the actual starting point for a lot of, like, what is all connected and everything. And i mean, I think just for me personally, as a person and as a friend, like I, and that this is how we became friends. I,
Billy: So when I get into something, this is the preface. When I get into something, I get into it all the way. Like many neurodivergent people, you dive all the way in.
Conor Fowler: Well, that's why said it. This is what is consuming you.
Billy: Yeah, yeah. And there's always been that thing. Even if it wasn't chosen by me, we have the baseball example when I was growing up and all that stuff. like I liked baseball and all that, but that was all I did until out of high school.
Conor Fowler: Right. Well, you were supernaturally talented at baseball also. I mean,
Billy: Yeah. And so it was easy for society to be like, keep doing that as long as you can get paid for it and all this stuff. and you know, I ended up getting hurt and not able to follow that out. Like how, structures and my parents and society was like, you should do it. you know but ah And then at that point, that's when I switched to the music. But that idea, though, of just like diving in and becoming really, really into my interests has always been there. And the the very first one in my life as a person is the music stuff. right like it's I inherited it from my dad, that love of of rock and heavy metal music.
Billy: And ah me and my dad also went through a journey of
Conor Fowler: Shout out Mr. Darbo.
Billy: Yeah, yeah, of course, of discovering like new territories of that kind of music together. And that's where we became friends you know originally in high school back in the day was just fucking listening to music.
Billy: Early days of torrenting and just diving in and all the various crevices of the new stuff that was happening.
matt: Holy shit.
Billy: We had the old stuff that we were digging into. we were you know down I remember one night we had a sleepover at your house, in your parents' house. Tony and Nick, our old friends, might have been there too. But I remember that the big thing was downloading 80 gigs of Frank Zaffa recording.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. I remember that shit, actually.
matt: be said
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Billy: God damn, dude
Conor Fowler: Well, because I had, i had, like, conned my mom into getting a fiber optic internet connection in, like, 2005.
Billy: Yes.
Conor Fowler: So, like, I was getting...
matt: Yeah. Right.
Billy: And it was before I had access at my house. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I was getting whatever I wanted whenever I wanted it. And I'm not saying like pornography even. I was only downloading music and sometimes rarely video games.
Billy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Conor Fowler: But I just had a meticulous shit, you know, and we were all obsessed with this in the same way with like metadata.
Billy: yeah
Billy: and also this was early iPod, right? And there was also a portion of time where Tony was the first one in our little group that got an iPod.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: And so everyone brought all their CDs over to Tony's house and was burning CDs for like weekends on end.
matt: Yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah.
Billy: So there's like that version.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: And then there's like the torrent and the, you know, the the piracy version. And obviously where where we're at nowadays, but...
matt: Yeah.
Billy: Yeah, I mean, that kind of idea of me getting really into that stuff ah is the basis of, you know, you talk about the union stuff, the yoga stuff, bringing it back to the music stuff, all the label stuff, everything that I'm involved in now is coming from that place of like, I'm so into this and this music makes me feel a certain way that I want to share it with every single person I encounter in the hopes that it can spark something within them that's similar to what I feel and we can share in that like, dude, isn't that sick kind of idea together.
matt: wow
Conor Fowler: And that's the perfect clip.
Billy: and that's like the basis of it all.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, fuck yeah. And that is exactly what this is.
Billy: Because that's what that's what led me down the path of like, you know, meeting my buddy Damien, who I was priorly a fan of his music and just like doing the things we're doing with all of our projects, you know?
matt: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Which, like, I am not an expert on your shit, but, like, you are touring constantly and, like, not just in America.
Billy: ah Well, okay. it's I can't really say like too much. but it's It's only in America right now. I guess there's one thing announced that's overseas, so that's good.
Billy: It's the Tra Fortress Fest UK thing.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: so Well, some of this stuff is like not announced.
matt: Yeah,
Conor Fowler: So that sounds to me not domestic.
Billy: No, I know. But I'm just saying as far as like me, when this comes out, you know people being like, oh, shit, they're going overseas and it's not announced yet. That's a big no-no. And in what my role is now as manager, you know Mr.
matt: yeah. Right.
Billy: Manager Guy, like we have contracts signed in different places that like they have to control how that rolls out.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: yeah
matt: okay
Billy: And I can't be the one to disclose that in a thing.
matt: Yeah, we we don't want you to give away any any industry secrets, you know.
Billy: So... i
matt: Like, that's that's totally fine.
Billy: For sure. But there is the the announced overseas thing. Yes. try ah the black metal project, Damien's black metal project. He's got like crazy... like underground cult following.
Billy: got invited to do this crazy fest in the UK.
matt: Hell yeah.
Billy: And so that's going to happen. It's like next, end of next May. So kind of a ways away.
matt: Nice. Nice.
Billy: But the next thing we got coming up is ah that band Tra, my band Barblith and our our friends in this band Sidon are going on tour from the 23rd of July through the 8th of August to like a weird track around like the Midwest and loops back down through the South, like through Texas and Florida and back up.
matt: Oh, shit. You're not playing Atlanta, are you?
Billy: um not this run but there is some Atlanta thing actually and we played Atlanta like a few months ago I guess I forgot to hit you up yeah you're an Atlanta buddy ah we played iDrum the first time and then Bogg supplied social second time and then oh there what were you gonna
matt: Okay.
matt: Oh, fuck. Yeah, I wish you'd told me. where Yeah, where did you guys play?
matt: Sick. Nice. Yeah, yeah. I i was going to say, i will go on record to say, please don't play 529. ah If you guys get the opportunity, the two dudes that own it now are our metal guys, but they're pieces of shit.
matt: So, just FYI.
Billy: I see. Roger. Yeah, that one hasn't come up yet in our routing or whatever.
Conor Fowler: or to the wise.
Billy: um The next thing that is Atlanta that I know for sure is ah in November, Tra is playing that Mass Destruction Fest at the Garden Club.
matt: Okay. Yeah, I haven't been there yet.
Billy: um ah yeah, I haven't either.
matt: That's cool.
Billy: Atlanta's huge.
matt: Awesome. Yeah, it's fucking massive. And, like, the music scene the music scene is fantastic.
Billy: It's crazy.
Billy: Yeah, there's a lot of cool screamo bands from down there too. and
matt: Yep.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: So...
Billy: because we came down in May with the Screamo Band Life.
matt: Okay.
Billy: And then in a the in June with the Sadness Project. That's where we played Boggs.
matt: Gotcha. Okay, cool. Yeah, Boggs is awesome, too. Good good people.
Billy: Yep, that was a really great show.
matt: Man, I need to honestly get get like a list of all of the projects that you play in. so i can i think Because i i'll you know if I don't know the name, I'm like, oh, I don't know that's Billy's band.
matt: So...
Billy: Yeah, no, I know. Well, it's because my two friends, Meredith and Damien, they have, well, Meredith only has the one project, but Damien has like one, two, three, four, at least four that are like, you know, big enough that we're getting all these offers.
Billy: And I'm basically like, that's part of my role is like helping him, you know, do the live thing and manage all that stuff.
matt: Gotcha.
matt: Fuck yeah. And how how many projects do you play?
Billy: So I ended up playing in it too.
matt: Connor and i were talking about this, I think, yesterday.
Billy: Yeah, yeah. So the full list. So my project, Samskara, Barbalith, Limit Break, those are the ones that I'm like the riff writer.
matt: Okay, cool.
Billy: um And then we have the Damien Project.
Conor Fowler: That's such a funny title, dude. The Riff Writer.
Billy: What's that? Yeah, the Riff Master.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I just think that's great.
Billy: And then we have the Damien Projects. ah Sadness, Life, Tra, Letters to You. And then we have the Meredith Project, Abrikshin. So that's eight, I think, right now.
matt: Okay.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: Sick, sick.
Billy: They don't all play as often as you know each other, but between all of them, there's a lot going on.
matt: Right.
matt: Oh yeah, totally, totally. um So how long have you been in kind of like the the playing show touring world? Like estimated amount of time.
Billy: Super new. Super new. like ah
matt: Really? Okay.
Billy: Yeah. like The first big real one was January this year, and we've done two. like That one in January, then we did this other bigger one in May, and then we got...
Billy: three others, basically. Four, if you count this one thing.
matt: Gotcha.
Billy: So the whole year, like I knew from January that this whole year was jam-packed and that like in regards to the Apple stuff and the union stuff, like this would be the year that I have to change in some some way.
Billy: i have to go part-time or something because i i just Apple is just continuing to be more tyrannical as the years go on.
matt: Right.
Billy: And with our administration and everything, it's just there's just no hope that... they're going to be cool and flexible like they always used to in the over decade that I've been there. you know
matt: Right, right. ah How do you...
Conor Fowler: yeah
Billy: i literally thought I was going to be there for like the rest of my life in like some kind of capacity because it's like that place isn't going anywhere. you know Whatever. That's a whole other thing.
Conor Fowler: it was yeah that's yeah and that i feel is it was hard to figure out even what order to do things in because everything is so connected so like
matt: Yeah, we'll we'll get to it. We'll get to it.
Billy: Yeah, that's and that's a big part of my like inspiration. And what I think is cool is like everything having like an interwoven meaningfulness in some way, even if that's just really a tiny thing. But all it's just it all matters. And it's all cool. Like that's that's really cool for me.
matt: Hell yeah. ah Just out of curiosity, how have you taken Datori? Do you enjoy it
Billy: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like one of those things that's like when you finally get around to doing that version of this thing that you love forever. I mean, it's hard in all the ways that you would expect. And like some of those things you do have to like experience for the first time, like, you know, in all these different runs, especially as like being tour manager as well and filling all these different hats and roles.
matt: sure.
matt: ah Right, right.
Billy: like you know There's definitely some learns and stuff like that, and shit that you couldn't see. And especially for me, I usually feel like I have to experience the the shitty faceplant version first to learn for real, ever.
matt: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Billy: i can
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Billy: like i can I can get the lecture ah you know all fucking day and then it just I really have to just let it play out and fuck up or something. and
matt: Totally, totally.
Billy: that's And so we've had that and I'm really stoked for this thing that we got coming up because I feel like it's...
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: Dude.
Billy: Yeah, a lot of those things have been learned from and I think that are going to be applied really coolly in this next room.
matt: Yeah, totally, totally.
Conor Fowler: Well, and like, so one of the hard things about We'll see if the dog barking changes. Yes. Hang on a second.
Billy: Is that your house?
Conor Fowler: And after a dog, I'm trying to think of a word that starts with D that means interruption, but I can't think of one. Dog something, we're back.
Billy: Dog disruption, dude.
matt: Dog disruption, yeah.
Conor Fowler: God damn it!
matt: that That would honestly be kind of...
Conor Fowler: Right, I'm on air, I can't come up with this, you and you humiliate me like this? So listen, Billy, you said it was hard to be on tour. We're wondering why it was hard to be on tour. Here's what I'm thinking.
Conor Fowler: Veganism is probably hard in the Midwest. 2010.
Billy: ah Maybe. i mean, i think that nowadays it's way less hard than if we were talking about even like pre-2016, you know, went vegan and I mean, 14, it's over 10 years.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
matt: Agreed, agreed.
Conor Fowler: yeah
Billy: even then it wasn't crazy
Conor Fowler: I thought it was, with I thought you had been at it for a long time.
Billy: what's up
matt: I mean, that's 12, yeah.
Billy: i mean fourteen it's over twenty ten years
Conor Fowler: That is a long, that is a long time, but like, I mean, like longer than that.
matt: Yeah, yeah. yeah yeah
Conor Fowler: It seems to me longer than
Billy: No, because it it came around, that came from the yoga stuff. And I got into yoga like 2012, but mostly like 2013 is when I really understood what was going on with that.
Billy: And then 14 was when I started anting up my commitment to it in these ways.
Conor Fowler: that. You went to India, right?
Billy: and in two thousand And in 2016, correct.
Conor Fowler: But you did go to India to pursue yoga.
Billy: Yeah. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, that's so wild, dude.
Billy: For the yoga shit. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Conor Fowler: I mean, yeah. I mean, because I think probably of all of your stuff, even as someone who knows you very well, the yoga thing is like way left field not to talk about baseball. um But it makes sense in the context of your life now in a mega way.
Billy: Yeah, and I mean, it made sense for back then. It all happened, has it I guess, had to happen in order to get to where I'm at right now. um But yeah, I mean, i think nowadays it's way easier.
Billy: i mean, you got Burger King and Taco Bell that are reliable fast food options.
matt: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Right. Yeah.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: If you can hit a grocery store, you know you can get pita bread and hummus and shit. And yeah, you're you're fine. Like, honestly, like if you make that shift inside yourself that that matters, is that that becomes less.
Conor Fowler: yeah
Billy: It more happens like it's like, Okay, since I'm Mr. Manager and I'm controlling the money and making sure everybody gets fed and and gets we got a hotel room and all that kind of shit and you know that that we're making enough off merch that nobody has to pay their own money type shit. like I'm controlling that. We're finding a vegan spot. and if you want something different, you know...
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: That's fine. I'll give you a $20 bill or some shit. But if we're going to a place as a group, ah I'm picking a vegan place.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: There's no way we're going to a damn steakhouse or and none of that bullshit. Yeah,
matt: Yeah. It pains me because I'm always in the rural South that Subway doesn't have like a good protein option and for vegan.
Billy: I don't know why they don't have Tofurky at this point. It's like, what the fuck, dude?
matt: a Dude, same!
Conor Fowler: I feel like it's because I feel like it's because they hate.
Billy: Just call it a fucking day.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. They hate it's like purely a hatred based, uh, omission.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: Well, they had...
Billy: Well, it's that's when you get into capitalism shit.
matt: Yeah, well, they had the veggie...
Billy: It's those capitalism big money things.
matt: The veggie patty for a long time wasn't...
Conor Fowler: Well, is profitable. and I mean, I'm surely there if they did, if they did offer that, like people will buy it.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: Yeah, but it's not... Okay, as we've seen with Apple, right? because's let's we can Let's go into the Apple thing real quick because Apple closed that store, our store, are you only are one of two unionized stores out of their whole fleet.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: They closed three stores and one of them had to be the union store. That store was making tons of money. It ain't profits over people. It's agenda-based actions. And in their case, they wanted to squish out labor rights.
matt: Right.
Billy: And in the example we're talking about, it's like you got big animal industry... controlling the pockets of all the different fast food things. And to break that up is a big deal. i mean I wish it was more normalized in the States, but like over in fucking UK and other places, it's way less of a big deal.
Billy: So that's the only thing I can think of as like, yeah, because there's money in there. Of course, there's fucking money in there. And of course, you don't even have to upcharge it. They just upcharge it because everything's so fucked up.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: like That shit's not that expensive to make. And you you're telling me that raising a fucking little... sentient being and slaughtering it is more profitable and you can sell it cheaper than fucking pea bullshit fermented pea shit or whatever that you're see like what the fuck are we talking about here so it's a systemic thing
matt: totally Yeah, Yeah, it's it's fucking absurd. And yeah, it really is. And, you know, like ah i've I've, you know, Taco Bell has been, at least for the people I know that was vegetarian, that have been vegetarian or vegan, you know, like if they're on tour or if, you know, if I'm in the middle of Kentucky, I know that they're, I can go to Taco Bell. I can get like some bean shit.
matt: I'm going to be full
Billy: Mm-hmm.
matt: And it's always been like that.
Billy: Mm-hmm.
matt: And then fucking Del Taco beat them to the punch with Beyond. And I'm like, I'm like, guys, dude.
Billy: Oh, okay. i didn't even realize that. That's cool.
matt: Well, they they discontinued it, sadly. And to be fair, it wasn't great.
Billy: Oh,
matt: It was fine. um But like, Taco Bell, what the fuck are y'all doing? Like, there's tons of people.
Conor Fowler: What's like, isn't it because they're conservative organization?
matt: I mean, they're owned by Pepsi. i don't I don't know what the politics are. I mean, the politics are money. But still, you know, like, it just doesn't, it doesn't make sense.
Conor Fowler: and that guy's last name was bell. I mean, what a disgrace.
matt: Right. Anyway, yeah, i'll I'll get off my, my talk about high horse, but yeah, it's, it is nice to like, you know, I think more people are exploring like meatless options and there are way more than there were 20 years ago.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: ah
Billy: For sure.
matt: And it's,
Billy: And I'm also a fan of just rice and beans, personally. Like, chipotle, guac, no cheese.
matt: Yeah, saying same, same. Yep.
Billy: And, like, the other thing that's more common is, you know, you got Burger King Impossible with no mayo. Easy.
matt: Right, right, yeah.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: When I was on tour back in the day, i would get cans of black beans and tortilla chips and just eat those out of the can. Because just, I mean, it's sustenance like that and a p a PBGA, I'm good to go.
Billy: Yep.
Billy: Yep, exactly. But yeah, going going back to like what's difficult about touring, I mean, it depends on the amount of DIYness around it. like And we've done all the versions because you know the Sadness Project has an agent, so that January and the the thing I was talking about at the end of May and June, that was booked by him.
Billy: The the um lineups were coordinated by him. We helped with the lineup on the West Coast because two of our projects played. We had Sadness and Life. It was a double-duty headliner. So when you talk about... We're doing tour in like ways that are dummy hard mode for like like, why the fuck are you doing this? You're doing double sets all night? like Same line of people did that both sets every night for like 11 nights straight.
matt: Oh God. Yeah.
Billy: um Double amount of merch, right Because you got two bands worth of bullshit. You got to get over there somehow. And so that was hard because of all that, right? Like just coordinating, getting to the West Coast, running all this shit.
Billy: you know The shows were booked and stuff, so that was cool. But then we have another double duty thing that happened in February with the Tra Barbalith collaboration. So I booked those shows with everything I learned from our agent.
Billy: And i got we got some pretty sick shows. There was like five altogether. They were all great shows. It was double duty. But that was a little... Easier and harder. It was almost a wash because it's like I took on more work with the booking part of it and like the certain things like that, and but it was only five days.
Billy: and It was like three and then two, so it was like spread out.
matt: Right.
Billy: so It wasn't even really a tour. It was just like these shows that we did in this intention like because it was this collaborative split bullshit. um But then you have this other tour that we just got done. And that was like, we're direct support. We're not the headliner. It was booked by our agent.
Billy: um We're getting guarantees most of the time. So you don't have to even think about like, is this promoter giving me the right amount of money type shit? It's just like, okay, we're getting our X amount of money that we're supposed to get tonight. We already knew about like easy. Yeah.
Billy: um But we took fucking eight people with us. We were damn Slipknot Jr. up there with three guitars, two vocalists, and you have all these personalities and you know me, captain of the ship, and getting everybody from Point A and getting like just that group.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Billy: like aid and Because basically it was eight people. We had a friend that was helping with merch, which was another lesson learned from the West Coast. like I need a friend to come and help with merch because it's too much to run that table.
Billy: like you're running in a fucking Apple store retail situation. Like the lines are, these products these projects have such like cult fandom that you have a line before, you got a line during, you got a line after, you know, it's, and I learned my lesson with that in January.
Billy: So we got my buddy to come with us and then we had seven people in the band and then we had a keyboardist join for the last four dates. So we had nine people in our traveling party and fuck, man.
matt: that I mean, that sounds that sounds so fucking fun, though.
Conor Fowler: Flipknot Jr. Yeah.
matt: Like, yeah, yeah.
Conor Fowler: yeah
Billy: Oh, it was fun. Oh, yeah, yeah. and it's But it's you know like that can be difficult at times, like getting everybody be on the same page, move as a unit. get like We relate to the first five shows of that run because we just...
matt: Right.
Billy: you know I'd be like, come on, guys, let's go. And everybody's just not going. like You got to get in the car now.
matt: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.
Billy: It supposed to be a quick stop you know um typeit
matt: yeah Well, okay, so out of curiosity, what is the worst thing that's happened so far on the tours?
Billy: The worst thing that's happened.
matt: Yeah, or maybe maybe like a funny worse, not necessarily like a, oh, shit.
Conor Fowler: The most challenging.
matt: but I don't even mean that.
Billy: Well, okay. I got it. no, no. I know what you mean. And I would have to say it was really at the kickoff of our West Coast January tour, right? The first big tour. We're doing double duty. Six people doing both projects.
Billy: Okay. It was such a mad dash to get all the merch over there. ah like i I UPS part of it, I had some of it printed over there, i had some of it made over here that we had to travel over there with.
matt: right
Billy: And it was basically this whole thing, Perfect Storm, it lasted several days into the thing because we had like a fest thing and then this course kicked off and we had like one off day before the fest when we got into town and stuff like that.
Billy: And it was all about, like are we going to have all the merch for both bands at the first show, which is the fest show, probably the most important one to have everything that you're going to be able to sell that first day at a fest.
Billy: And it was fun. I won't go into the whole timeline, but like some of these images, like I'm literally... Okay, we got this big-ass container. have no idea about it. I tried looking into, like okay, what's the biggest thing that we can check on as a plane? And we thought we had the biggest thing, but it was apparently too big or too heavy or whatever.
Billy: and it was this big thing. It had all the shirts. They were shrink. like We had those like vacuum seal pack bags. We were pushing, like trying to maximize space.
Conor Fowler: Yes.
Billy: And it wouldn't fit. They said, we can't take it. And we have like we're but we're trying to catch this fucking flight. And now we have all this merch in this big tub that we're supposed to sell all this shit. We bought this tub just to get into this thing. And just got declined. What are we going to do? Fucking scrambling around.
Billy: So we buy four Southwest duffel bags. And we stuff them all the shit in the Southwest Duffel bags. We stuff some of it in our personal bags. We spread it all out. Somehow we get everything tucked in wet in a place.
Billy: And it ends with me sprinting with these bags, with two of them. We check two of them and we are at our max check and we had to just run to the gate.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
matt: Oh, God.
Billy: And I'm like, and I was like, you guys go. And I'll fucking, and I'm running. Literally running to get there. And that was just like the end of chapter one with like the whole scenario to get all the murphs.
matt: Right.
Billy: That whole scenario, I swear to God, dude, it was just insane. I could not believe that we got to the end and we had everything.
Conor Fowler: Well, they make flying so much worse than it should be. Like, there's no reason that it needs to be such a high-pressure situation. Like, bastards.
Billy: Well, yeah. and And some of that stuff that's been changing with the flying stuff has fucked us on that run, too, because we bought these we bought this big Coffin Gator 2 guitar case with the rolly wheels and everything that was supposed to be the thing that big touring bands get to check the shit on the plane.
matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: And we get to check it in there. And they're like, oh, this is actually oversized. So it's $200 a piece.
matt: Jesus.
Billy: So it was $400 to check the two big cases. And we were just, we had to eat it in the beginning.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
matt: Yeah. Right.
Billy: And luckily at the end, the other band that we were with, Don of Ouroboros, the guy Tony, he took it back to ah and those two cases and some other stuff. And I created UPS labels for him and he dropped it off for me.
Billy: which was so much cheaper than ah going on a plane. But that was low low stakes because it was on the way back. um And it was all about just getting everything there.
matt: Right. 100%.
Billy: And yeah, that was probably the most stressful thing.
matt: Oh, whoa.
Billy: um The other kind of cool things, though, that I'll mention on this last run that was cool, we ran out of merch three times.
matt: oh wow
Billy: um Three different times, and I had no plan on how to get more. So when we ran out the first time, it was so early, we were like, God damn it, we got to do something. So basically, we did it three different times where we put out this bad signal. Everybody went on their their shit. and we put We need a emergency doc. Anybody in these cities? Blah, blah, blah.
Billy: And we got three of them. We got three. One was a promoter in Chicago.
matt: Fuck yeah.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Billy: one was some guy somebody from ah Raleigh, North Carolina. um and then somebody, like an old head from Louisville, like an old legend I later learned from the guy at the venue. Like, oh, that guy's in a bunch of legendary hardcore bands. No wonder he helped you out.
Billy: ah But yeah, Louisville, Chicago, and Raleigh, they came through with like... They literally... ra ah Chicago and Raleigh, the dudes delivered it to the merch table before we were even there.
Billy: So it was waiting for us which was insane.
matt: Oh, that's awesome.
Billy: And then the Louisville guy just like they were in a chill neighborhood right near the venue, and he just like left it in his side door, picked it up real quick, easy peasy, like It was crazy. And did that from the car.
Billy: like I'm driving and I'm like, no, we got to... Okay, talk to that guy. And we're actually switching these so I get on my computer. <unk> And we actually created a shirt design in the car that we used for the Raleigh show, which was at the end of the run.
matt: Right, right.
matt: Oh, that's so good.
Billy: um But that was so cool in this way that was kind of addicting. to Like, damn, we did it.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Billy: Let's keep...
matt: it ah It also shows that, like the like, subcultural, you know, music communities come together when when when it needs to happen.
Billy: <unk>
Billy: Yeah, of course.
matt: Like, we you know, everyone that's ever played in a band has been in that scenario.
Billy: I know. Yeah.
matt: Like, maybe not the exact same one, but it's like, oh, shit, we need this. Like, we need, you know, ah a cover for these seven inches. Fuck, our our person didn't come through. Okay, I got you.
matt: Like, it's so sick.
Billy: Yes. It is cool. And that is also the kind of essence about how I've helped organize our a lot of my friends, but some of them are you know fans of Damien's that are traveling from like Pittsburgh and Philly.
matt: Right.
Billy: But basically like collaborating with this crew of people that's rotating all these different lineups and everything.
matt: Hell yeah.
Billy: it's It's that whole like extension of like DIY, like all of our friends helping each other do our thing in ways that we can't alone, you know?
matt: Yeah, totally. Totally. And ah so let's get into to the label. um
Billy: Yeah.
matt: Yeah. what's What's the name? First off and third house.
Billy: third house Third House is the name of the label. It's Third House.
matt: Okay, cool.
Billy: Yeah, Third House label on Instagram.
matt: Awesome. And how how did that come about?
Billy: Uh, same DIY type shit. Uh, I mean, all right. So the extended, I'll give you guys the extended lore because like, we're talking about all of it. So might as well like, um, but basically i got introduced to Damien's music around COVID time when Apple was shut down for a while and just everything was in a weird stasis, like cracks in society and in my own life were beginning to show like in terms of what's real, what's not, a lot of that kind of stuff. And i discovered his music and i heard in it the same sounds that i create in my riffs. And i like I heard myself in his music. It was like crazy fucking shit.
matt: Hell yeah.
Billy: And it just let me down another obsessive rabbit hole with getting into all of his different projects and all the different expressions of those sounds because that continuity is in all of his stuff. And I found that continuity in a lot of other artists as well. But it but It was so profound with that, with his shit, that it just kicked into gear for me. Like, I got to pick up where I left off. I have all this stuff that is unfinished.
Billy: Like, basically, I stopped doing stuff around 2015 when I got so into yoga that yoga became the most important thing. And going to shows and doing late night stuff that was counter to my waking up early doing yoga shit.
Billy: I was uninterested in that part of the music life. And ultimately, I mean, I didn't stop playing. And Sam Skara, my project, like actually was birthed from that, that kind of dead time of like, I was doing stuff.
Billy: I just wasn't recording and releasing it essentially.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: um And I had a lot of stuff that I was sitting on since 2014 that, you know, I looked into his shit and he basically started in 2014 when I was stopping. And he has this insane discography and all these different projects. And I just was like, shit.
Billy: I gotta get back to it. What the fuck? I gotta finish my stuff.
matt: Hell yeah.
Conor Fowler: That's what.
Billy: You know?
matt: Dude, yeah.
Billy: And it so it basically kicked into gear that like, all right, I'm doing my Nostalgique project again, my solo project. I have all this stuff that I've been sitting on that like, let's fucking see what I can make out of this, what I was, you know, had thrown to the side before I was like reevaluating essentially.
Billy: And so in that space of you're finishing this music, I'm creating visuals to go along with the music. Like, how can I take that a step further? Cassettes are something that you can reasonably attain all the equipment to do yourself and then just start getting at it, you know?
Billy: And so I basically just, you know, I went to school for design.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
Billy: So the design elements, that was natural. And then like, It was more about like learning how to duplicate cassettes and learning how to like lay out the stuff to be printed. like How do I lay it out digitally to be made physical?
Billy: And so that whole learning process through Nostalgique and putting out like cassettes for all those, starting from like ah that 2021 thing, First Painful Steps, that's when i started making tapes. And I made them for most of the releases for like at least a couple of years after that. I kind of have stopped because I'm...
Billy: redoing that project. Now I'm like, want to do a leveled up version of, you know, I've finished all that stuff and now I need to, but you know, there's going to be a time for that. It just hasn't happened yet.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: But, but that's where the label really started from. It was, it started from cassettes. And then eventually I was like, wait, I can do CDs too. Like if I could just figure out how to print on the CDs, which they have, the Epson makes a really affordable, like $150 printer that has a disc tray that you do one at a time.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Billy: But, It can still print on the full face of the disc and ah it looks pretty good. And so that so now I can do CDs. And that's how it started, cassettes and CDs, um doing it for my own stuff first.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: And then eventually, like because I made an Instagram at a certain point. And I remember like when I was making everything, i was like, well, I should do another... kind of thing to present it? Like the, what is the entity to present all this stuff? Like that has to be something. And then that's when me and Catherine, and my partner who she's an astrologer, she's also a yogi, but mainly an astrolog astrologer.
Billy: We just conceived of together this idea of third house um as it relates to your astrology.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: Cause third house is like your community and interconnectedness and all that kind of shit.
matt: Ah! Yeah, yeah.
Billy: ah Your third house. And So it was just like a cool idea that tied into, it felt like it tied into her astrology stuff. It tied into my yoga stuff. It tied into present, like what is the thing to present this new music stuff?
Billy: And then yeah, just made ah ah an Instagram and started posting stuff and didn't want to do band camp because I didn't want to have to pay anything. So I ended up And then also I didn't want to do band camp because I didn't want to like take away viewability to the artists. If that makes sense. Like I wanted that traffic to be driven to them and for people to just come to me for the physical incarnation of it. So that's why I have the limited run site and then ah use the Instagram as the promo and,
Billy: Basically, another part of it is like trying to you know including the band camp codes in the orders of the all the different artists I work with so that it can be spread around. And little thing about that is i did, since doing all this sadness stuff, um meeting these people that now know Third House, I've met ah you know ah quite a few people that are like, dude, I found out about this shit because you threw a band camp code in there or some shit like
matt: Nice, nice.
Billy: and Which is ultimately, we get back to like that original part of the conversation, that sharing that music in that way of that's what it's all about. And so and that's where, especially when I started collaborating with Damien.
Billy: So when the label really started to like not be my own stuff... like i I'm helping out other artists and stuff,
Billy: call him g But G, he has the projects Lux and In Tears, who I'm a huge fan of.
Conor Fowler: Mm-hmm.
Billy: And I've been working with him since, like I guess, 2024 or three or something like that. um So it's him. It's Damien, who has Sadness Trial Life.
Billy: And then Meredith, who has a Brixton. um And then there's there's other ones too, of course. But those are like the main ones that... ah Because I'm like a super a personal super fan of their music. So it's like...
Billy: It's like literally a dream come true type shit to be like making this really cool handmade object that holds the music that I fucking dig so much. And where that shows up too is like when I... they don't teach my yoga class anymore because the Apple stuff.
Billy: But I've taught that for you know over a decade. And those three are just like staples in my yoga playlist. like So I don't know. That's just like another...
Conor Fowler: Well, it's because, like, I don't know that it's understood the intensity that you pursued yoga. Like, it really was your whole thing.
Billy: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Like, and not in an obnoxious way. It was just like, ah
Conor Fowler: I don't know. It was like you were trying to figure out. You were trying to figure shit out, you know?
Billy: Yeah, I mean, i think for me, the yoga stuff made experiential the spiritual stuff and put into a toolkit like ah how I can have a daily spiritual practice um in a way that's true to me and in a way that is also reclaiming any of ah the understanding worth keeping from, you know, i have a Christian experience
matt: Thank you.
Billy: not a crazy Christian upbringing, but like everything that my family is all about is based in like Christian bullshit. And I rejected that like kind of my whole life, but not all of it, just a lot of it.
Billy: And in yoga helped me pick through, wait, what is actually real about all this stuff?
matt: Right, right.
Billy: and and gives you, yeah just a way of evaluating the truth on your own experience. And that has been so valuable to kind of honestly uncover all this sort of interconnectedness and all this other kind of stuff that's happening.
Billy: i I credit to that being so kind of embedded in my daily living because, uh, It is a daily practice, even if I'm not practicing postures every day, because that is just ah a very small facet of that the whole of being a yogi in this world, in my opinion.
Billy: The veganism is ah is a huge, crucial part of that. But also it's it's kind of influenced a little bit in like, I guess an anarchism kind of way where I'm just doing my thing because I know it to be true.
Billy: And, and I, I didn't, didn't start this way, but it's, I turned into, i want to do it so truly that I'm not having to like, i don't want to preach to anybody. i don't want to change anybody. i don't want to tell them what to do.
Billy: i just want to do what I know of to be true and let that resonate, whatever it may, you know?
matt: Right.
matt: Yeah. It's like it's it's leading by example rather than dogma, in my opinion.
Billy: Sure. That's a good way of putting it.
matt: Yeah. Yeah. i also grew up Christian and have been an atheist now for a very long time. But like I. some of the lessons that I learned, like the good shit about American Christian, or I guess modern Christianity, I know it's different everywhere, but like some of those things, you know, treat people like people like, you know, love love one another.
Billy: Yes! i mean, who can't get behind that shit?
matt: Right, right. And like, you know, as as I've gotten more political and i would now identify as an anarchist, um you know, like Jesus was, if if he existed, which which I think he did, he was a good he was a good dude.
Billy: Love good.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: Yeah, I do too. For sure.
matt: I don't think he's the son of God. i don't believe in a God. But like, there's some fucking lessons in there that like my Southern Baptist ass little kid, did not understand until I was an adult.
Billy: Mm-hmm.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: Yeah, that's real.
matt: Yeah, totally. Totally. And
Conor Fowler: Well, it's just like a lot of stuff. It's like the worst parts of it have become like the most important parts of it and the loudest parts of it. um Yeah, and it seems almost like a natural progression.
matt: yeah, like ah in to me, all of the major you know, Abrahamic religions and others that I'm not as familiar with, like Hinduism or Buddhism or whatever, ah all it boils down to is like, be a decent human being.
matt: It's not that fucking difficult.
Billy: Yeah.
Billy: yeah And that's what I, that's what really spoke to me about the eight limbs of the yoga shit. Cause you got the first two, the yamas and the niyamas, which are essentially like your, your guidebook to, you know, being a good human, in my opinion.
matt: Right.
Billy: And that's like where the veganism stuff and the nonviolence and truthfulness and all that, those kinds of elements.
matt: Right.
matt: is it
Billy: Yeah. and where they're all used in connection to one another. like For instance, with truth, right truth can hurt. Truth is a sword sometimes. right like You can stab people with the truth and it can be painful.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: So how do you use truth nonviolently?
matt: Yeah, totally.
Billy: right You have all these different ways of it working together. and i don't know From the moment I became familiar with those components of the yoga stuff that resonated with me so deeply that I just had to change my life immediately.
Billy: I don't know how else to put it.
matt: Yeah, totally.
Billy: like And that's why it was such a driver for so long of like, I want this to set the tone for my life. And obviously, like my material mind and my American upbringing and all this stuff,
Billy: I thought it would look different back then than what it does now. But now looking back, like, couldn't have been any other way, of course. But, you know, because i and i when I say that, I'm kind of referring to like my exit from the music scene and all this kind of things.
Billy: And there's certain falling out with friendships that i just thought that maybe they were holding me back from a spiritual, ah as a spiritual aspirant or some shit like that.
Billy: And I have since come, you know, made up with anybody from those eras and stuff like that. But,
matt: Yeah, for sure.
Billy: Yeah, that was like definitely a thing.
matt: For sure.
matt: I mean, also, you know, if you're I'm assuming you've been you know, you were in the music scene since you were like a teenager and then you became an adult. And like we all change. Like I'm still even though I'm not straight edge anymore. anymore Like I'm still very good friends with a bunch of people that I was in bands with. And like, you know, there's no hard feelings like everyone has their impact.
matt: Yeah. i I don't know. but Being an adult is weird, man. like grow it and Actually growing up and like realizing, like oh shit, this is a lot different than I once thought it was going to be.
Billy: Yeah, it is.
Conor Fowler: Well, speaking of this is a perfect end for this question. Billy, what would you say to your young self? What would you now say to your young Billy?
Billy: I don't know, man. I wouldn't really change anything. i would just, if anything, it would be like, i don't even know if I could even say a concise sentence or statement, but it's that it's that idea of like, if I got to converse with my younger self, it would only want to try to be like reassuring that like, just keep doing your thing, bro. Like keep following your heart and following like what you think is like what you're passionate about and stuff and everything will be cool.
Billy: Like that, you don't need to, like no second guessing or anything like that. And I guess there hasn't been like a ton second guessing and shit like that. Cause there's been all these different moments where I had to like face music in the kinds of ways of, ah i when I say face the music, I mean like,
Billy: kind of own up to some kind of big scenario that is probably more than I should be dealing with at whatever point. you know One of the things I think of in those harder moments in high school, at least, was when i had to walk into the Coach Dunn's office senior year, and it was halfway through the season, and I fucking quit.
Conor Fowler: I
Billy: I quit that fucking team because I was injured, and they were continuing to try to use me And all that shit. And that, which is probably one of the reasons why I wasn't able to go as long in my baseball career as probably everyone wanted me to because I got injured and I wasn't able to heal right because i wanted to get back to it.
Conor Fowler: i think that's common, right?
Billy: it is common.
Conor Fowler: I feel like that's super common because it's like you're in pain.
Billy: And so...
Conor Fowler: You should keep playing. You have to keep playing.
Billy: Well, and it was because I was so good for that team and they went to States and all this bullshit. And it was like, but I knew in my heart that I hated being on that team. I hated that high school. I hated everyone on that team for the most part.
Billy: And I hated them because they were all fake friends at the end of the day.
matt: Right, right.
Billy: Friendship is really important to me, real friendship. And I experienced so much fake friendship and a lot of falling outs in the high school years. And the baseball saga was like kind of me closing that and being like, I'm moving.
Billy: i'm I'm out of here. i'm already signed away to a college. I don't need you motherfuckers. I didn't need you to get there. i did it on my own. and now I have and ah permission to say peace.
Billy: And what I did with that remaining time, like from like April-ish to whenever we graduated and I ended up moving, was go to shows, man. That's what I fucking did. We went to shows.
Billy: we We were going to all these... i mean, at that time it was like Cobra Clutch and shit like that. But I think that was also the time where I you know got to see Trapped Under Ice during their era before the first their first full-length came out, which is my preferred era of Trapped Under Ice.
matt: Oh, yeah, same, same.
Billy: think it was like 2007 at Sonar. 2008. Yeah. or maybe it was two thousand eight um But i remember I was moshing so hard on the concrete floor that my heels were, both heels were bruised and I had to wake up the next morning for 5 a.m.
Billy: workouts.
Conor Fowler: ah
matt: ah This is...
Billy: remember running and being like, God damn, I should not have fucking slammed my heels so much because I was so excited.
matt: ah This reminds me of like ah like a punk rock hardcore version of Dazed and Confused. I don't know why, but like it's kind of the same scenario in that movie, which is one of my favorite movies.
matt: And yeah, dude.
Conor Fowler: Well, I have said this before, like, I love you. I have known you a long time, extremely long time. And like, it is unlikely, you know, it is unlikely for the person to be you to have all this shit and to have done all this shit.
Conor Fowler: And yet it's you still, you know, and like you haven't, you haven't compromised.
Billy: Yeah. Yeah.
Conor Fowler: You haven't like whatever, ah I was thinking you're decisive, which is like not a trait that I would like, that I would think, yeah, Billy Jarbo, fucking decisive motherfucker. But like in your adult life, you've been extraordinarily decisive, like way, way, way outside of normal parameters.
Billy: Yeah. I mean, and I would, again, i would accredit that to playing music in person with people and yoga
matt: Yeah.
Billy: because it's it's really about, like when you talk about improvising, you're attuned to the present moment and you're letting all that stuff flow through. You're not overthinking with your mind. It's feeling more than thinking.
Billy: And the thinking is after the feeling kind of thing. And i i just think that it's helped me practice like listening to my inner voice, listening to my intuition, reading where my heart is at.
Billy: And it doesn't work in every category of life. Let me just say that.
matt: Of course, of course.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Billy: I, you know, like reading that, like where my heart's at and not second guessing the shit, but in certain places in my life, yeah, like with work, with anything music related, with anything like, even like psychedelics helped me gain a vision of like that kind of sense, sense um which I'm not a regular psychedelic user. I just, I use it a few key points in my life that gave me ah a a big,
Billy: like, I don't know, inspiration on this, on that interconnectedness of all my different life bullshit happening. And like, I don't know. I just kind of like use that and like my intuition to like when my, when it feels right, that's it. We need to, and like, don't wait.
Billy: The practice of yoga is now, you know, the moment that you realize it is the moment that it's real type shit.
matt: Yeah, totally.
matt: Right.
matt: Hell yeah.
Conor Fowler: Damn. Type shit.
matt: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Type shit indeed.
matt: Type shit indeed.
Conor Fowler: yeah
matt: Man, I feel like we could go forever and we're probably going to have to have you back on to talk about the the union organizing like in depth.
Billy: Yeah, that that should get its own thing. Yeah, I agree.
matt: Yeah, totally. But, dude, this is... this is a great interview. And like, I don't know. i It's not about clothes, but it's connected to clothes because you wear clothes. You're wearing a fucking cannibal corp shirt right now.
Billy: Yeah, and I'm wearing one of the ah bootlegs that look like vintage.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: yeah Yeah. Wait, is it on the, is it on comfort colors?
Billy: a
matt: Cause that's,
Billy: Yeah, Cumber Colors, like ah like salt and pepper kind of one.
matt: Dude, I had a – my buddy Tyler made in My Body Valentine loveless shirt um on that same exact blank.
Billy: Yeah.
Billy: Nice.
matt: And it was in a bag. I had it as like a backup t-shirt for a market and the bag got stolen. And I was like, motherfucker.
Billy: No.
matt: Yeah, comfort colors really are the best.
Conor Fowler: Thank you.
matt: It sucks.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: But –
Billy: Yeah, i try to print all of our most of our merch. At least over half of it is Cumber Colors.
matt: Yeah. Like I remember $10 t-shirts, but those were mostly garbage blanks, you know, except for, except like guilt and ultra cotton, I think, or ultra something was, was the premium, but it was still like a $10 t-shirt, you know?
Billy: Mm-hmm.
Billy: Mm-hmm.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: Uh, but, uh, yeah, man, thank you for coming on. This has been hell of a fun, um, to close it out, tell everyone where they can find, uh,
matt: whatever you want them to find your record label, your bands, et cetera.
Billy: Yeah, I would just ah follow the third house label on Instagram. And that's really the way to to know of all the cool things that are happening for the most part.
matt: So
matt: fuck it. Fuck yeah. And I will attest his, his musical senses fucking choice. So, um, yeah.
Billy: Thank you, man.
Conor Fowler: The photos are good. the photos are good also.
matt: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: I mean, it's like, ah
Conor Fowler: yeah, it's lot.
Billy: Yeah, we didn't even get to that.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. it Well, there are questions. they are There are questions written about photography. We just have not had time.
matt: Right, right.
Conor Fowler: So we will have you on again.
matt: Yeah, yeah.
Billy: Yeah.
matt: but We'll have to do a part two.
Billy: Well, I'm definitely down to do it again.
matt: Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. And um also, I want to say kudos. Thank you for doing CDs and tapes. Because I have both in my van and it's fantastic.
Billy: hell yeah.
matt: Yeah, I saw Agriculture back in April, which, yeah, The Spursal Town was my favorite record last year, and I literally bought, like, I think they had one one tape with their two EPs and two CDs, and they've been on rotation.
Billy: Nice.
Billy: Hell yeah.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: That's sick.
matt: Physical media.
Billy: Yeah, they're great band.
matt: Yeah.
Billy: They will never die. They will never die.
matt: No, it will never die. i think it's i think it's poised for a comeback, too. Like, on on the whole, not just finals.
Billy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, honestly, like, it was tapes for a while, but now tapes are kind of getting more expensive to to make just in general, um where it's CDs are actually cheaper.
matt: Right. Right.
Billy: And people seem to like CDs more, like all the younger kids, at least all the screamo kids want CDs, they don't want they don't give a fuck about tapes, all the black metal heads want tapes.
matt: Right. Well, I... Yeah, of course. Of course. And I can only speak from my personal experience, but I feel like a CD is the best quality of anything.
matt: So...
Billy: Oh, yeah. It has... oh yeah. 100%.
Billy: It's going to retain the most sound quality out of all of especially if you're listening on a car stereo.
matt: Yeah, oh, the the car test, whenever I've recorded, is the best. it's It's the make or break point. If it doesn't sound good in a car, it doesn't sound good.
Billy: Correct.
matt: Ugh.
Billy: this
matt: All right, y'all. Well, everyone, thank you for listening. Billy, one more time, thanks for coming on. um We are at Apocalypse Studs on Instagram, apocalypsestuds at gmail.com.
matt: We're next month celebrating our four-year anniversary of being a show, and we've got Some stuff coming up that's going to celebrate that. I'm not sure what yet.
matt: um But I am mas Smith at Rebels Rogues.
Conor Fowler: And I am Connor Fowler at RealConnorFlower.
matt: And we will see you next week.
Conor Fowler: Bye-bye.
