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the one about trumps diversity hires (ep. 4)
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pam bondi stuff, geo group lobbying
mississipi bounty bill life prison sentence
track trump golfing
bennet questions rfk jr < 5 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nez0el_XXTw&ab_channel=TheBulwark
bernie sanders questions rfk jr < 7 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0dc9b4g4xU&ab_channel=PBSNewsHour
elizabeth warren questions rfk jr 8 min
cash patel
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/kash-patel-confirmation-hearing-fbi-director/
plane crash
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/trump-plane-crash-dei-press-conference-biden-faa-washington-dc-rcna190020
trump diversity program
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/30/faa-dei-trump-fact-checker/
trump blames dei
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/trump-plane-crash-dei-press-conference-biden-faa-washington-dc-rcna190020
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Transcript
Iconic Theme and Host Introductions
00:00:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I feel like we're going to have to keep this music even after we find better music, because it's becoming becoming a thing.
00:00:09
James
Forever.
00:00:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK, welcome to Oh Brother News. I'm Gabe.
00:00:20
James
I'm James.
00:00:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And we're brothers. And this is the news.
Current Events Rundown
00:00:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um What a fucking week it's been.
00:00:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Some of the stuff we're going to talk about today, ah we're going to talk a little bit about. Pam Bondi and her history with the GEO Group, the Mississippi Bounty Bill and the Missouri Bounty Bill,
00:00:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah bringing back slavery in the South, hooray. We're going to talk about trumpgolftrack.com, where you can see how much time he spends golfing. It's already more than I thought. We're going to talk a little bit about the confirmation hearings for ah RFK and Cash Patel Of course, we're going to talk about the plane crash and the ah set of firings that may have led to it that had nothing to do with DEI.
00:01:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, that may be some other stuff. um Yeah, let's get into it.
Helicopter Crash and Political Ramifications
00:01:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Where do you want to start?
00:01:25
James
Yeah. Um, well, probably how about the helicopter crash? Cause that's still what everybody's talking about right now. The helicopter crash and, you know, obviously it's DEI before he even knows what happened.
00:01:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, OK.
00:01:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Of course.
00:01:41
James
Common sense.
00:01:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah You gotta, you gotta know while he came into it, knowing who he was going to blame, you know, obviously now that Trump is in charge, this is an Obama.
00:01:42
James
Common sense.
00:01:46
James
Meet Buddha judge.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is clearly Obama's fault. Uh, obviously.
00:01:57
James
for Biden's or people to judge. Yeah.
00:01:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. It was also like, it was also Biden's fault. Like they're shared, they're co-responsible.
00:02:03
James
I'm really surprised he didn't blame the trans community because I thought, you know, I thought it's common sense that the pilots, you know, must have been trans. You know, that must be.
00:02:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, he kind of did by calling it a DEI issue.
00:02:13
James
yes Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK, so here's what we're talking about. So there was right now, it's what? It's Thursday, January 30th. Last night, like 11 PM, there was a Black Hop helicopter in Washington, DC.
00:02:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It was doing a training mission, and they had turned off their ADS, which I think is transmitting ah GPS and um like a telemetry information. So like ah altitude, direction, speed, that sort of stuff. So that was off. um And ah they got into the flight path of a plane that was trying to land coming back from Oklahoma or Kansas.
00:03:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
somewhere, somewhere in the middle of the country, uh, and had a head-on collision and both planes, both vehicles, you know, were incapacitated, fell into the Potomac River, which is super freezing. Uh, we're pretty sure there's no survivors. So there were 60 passengers and four crew on the plane, three crew on the helicopter. Um, first of all, it's, this is a, this is a huge tragedy.
00:03:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Um, and, uh, I feel awful for all of the families and people involved. Um, so, you know, Trump didn't leave with that. Trump didn't come out and say, Oh, it was a tragedy. And we feel so sorry for the families. Trump immediately came out and said, um, we know, we know who, who's to blame, even though we haven't done an investigation and we don't have a, you know, a head of the FAA because Elon wanted him to resign.
00:04:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
because he was giving SpaceX fines for safety violations, I imagine. So he resigned a few days ago. um It's because of DEI and and Biden and and Obama, obviously. So Trump, president, but still, I don't know, just like a power cuck, just like, no, he's not actually in control of anything. It's still just all Obama, Obama power whenever anything goes bad.
Trump's Policy Actions and Federal Impact
00:04:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah
00:04:36
James
Yeah. Not to mention. ah You know, at a news conference, he went on to read a whole list of disabilities that he says are disqualifying for air controllers.
00:04:48
James
And his administration is the one who changed the rules to hire such people in 2019. So, again, not his fault, though, even though he's the one, his administration's the one who started hiring people with these, quote, disabilities, somebody else's fault, not his.
00:05:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So I mean, it's just, there's so many, there's so many ah things about this that are just such, such bullshit.
00:05:05
James
Yeah.
00:05:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like I'm trying to find the list of all the things. Like I, I saw the Instagram post earlier and I just, I can't find a nice concise list. I just had this massive article, but there was like, there were some people in like a, like a safety advisory committee.
00:05:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It was like, you know, they either gutted the committee or fired everybody associated with it. They put a pause on, um, hiring air traffic controllers. And there was one other thing. There was like somebody else, I think, got fired. Somebody else in an aviation safety related job. And then on top of the fact that they had this ah you know this like strong arming thing where they're like, um we're going to fire 17 inspectors general.
00:06:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah
00:06:05
James
Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know, without notice. So like he can fire them.
00:06:08
James
Which is illegal.
00:06:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
00:06:09
James
30 days notice.
00:06:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
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James
Yeah. With cause.
00:06:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. Which is, which is legal if he gives him 30 days notice. So that's the part of the law. He was like, Oh, we're going to, we're going to kind of, we're going to soft break the law and you have to have cause.
00:06:16
James
And with cause and you have to have cause.
00:06:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So he, the cause is like, you're not Trumpy enough, obviously, you know, like, and they're, they're sending out, um,
00:06:23
James
Yeah. Yeah. Your cause is that you want, you want to regulate the stuff. I want to profit off this.
00:06:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, they sent out this like fork in the road email, but like even before the fork in the road email, there was another email that was like, you know, respond to this email and tell us like, when you realize that like Trump was going to be a great president and like, you were so excited to like be on team Trump.
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James
The email.
00:06:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, when did you have your come to Jesus moment for, for Trump? Uh, you know, so it's like, it's just, it's this really soft escalation of pressure because like everyone knows that like the project 2025 plan that Trump knows nothing about, but it's somehow just like,
00:07:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
enacting exactly to a T, um a ah has this this thing where they're going to end schedule F, which is like you know the most of the people who work in the federal government are um are not presidential appointees, they're career public servants.
00:07:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um I think we talked about this last episode. So the part of this is like they're going to try to fire everyone um and put in um a bunch of Trump loyalists.
00:07:26
James
schedule. And less in i if you resign, we'll give you eight months of severance pay.
00:07:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So air traffic controllers are among these people, you know, and they sent them this fork in the road letter. That's like clearly an Elon idea because Elon did like the same thing. They took over Twitter. So it's this letter that says like, uh, yeah,
00:07:47
James
All you have to do is reply to the email and say that you resign.
00:07:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
with the word, with the word resign.
00:07:52
James
fine And then
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:07:55
James
and apparently that's also causing other huge waves because you know all the people in charge of making our submarines and nuclear weapons and they're all federal contract they're all they all got this email and so if every single one of them decided oh hell yeah eight months cool now we have nobody making any of our weapons yeah
00:08:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
it's It's like, it was a 2 million people, 2 or 3 million people.
00:08:19
James
yeah
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's at least 2 million. I think I can't remember if it was 2 or 3, but it's like, it's, it's multiple millions of, of federal employees.
00:08:24
James
see yes
00:08:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And among those are people in there the air traffic controllers, also federal employees.
00:08:32
James
Yeah, that's flabbergasted by it.
00:08:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, so all of this, all of this, like, you know, pressure on these people. And like, to be clear, like there's no guarantee that, that like he's going to pay it.
00:08:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
because Trump is known for nothing, if not, not paying people what he says he will pay them.
00:08:49
James
Yeah, exactly.
00:08:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And when Elon when elon did it, people got at most one month of severance and there was a $500 billion dollars lawsuit against Twitter.
00:08:52
James
He doesn't pay people. Yep.
00:08:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah So all of this combined sure seems to to make it look like it's Trump's fault and not DEI's fault.
00:09:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But you know we got to blame somebody else.
00:09:13
James
Yeah.
00:09:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We can never, ever say that it was like, yeah, that was that was my fault, and I'm going to do better. And you know this is unacceptable, and I'm going to fix it. Can't say that.
00:09:27
James
oh And you're right, two million, by the way.
00:09:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Cool.
00:09:32
James
And they don't know how they're going to do it. They don't know how they would pay it. They don't even know how because they had people call their offices and say, how does this work? Because the way the resignation email work reads, they're like, do I continue to work for the next month? Or do I not? Do I work remotely until this happens? What do I do? And nobody knows because Nobody even knew the email was coming.
00:09:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because I think the point, the whole point of this is to, yes, is to like scare people into quitting.
00:09:59
James
To scare people into quitting.
00:10:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like, you know, if, if you're going to have a fight over, if you're going to have a fight over, like, okay, we want to overturn schedule F and we want to just fire 2 million people and replace all of them with Trump loyalists, which that is verbatim project, 20, 25.
00:10:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's a part of the plan. Like a big key part of the plan is. to not only take over like during the course of his presidency, but ever after by capturing these agencies with MAGA loyalists. So the if you're going to like come in and try to fire everyone, that's going to be a big legal fight all at once. But if you can get you know you can fire a couple a little bit early without notice or cause, and then you can kind of like intimidate a bunch of other people into resigning,
00:10:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And oh, well, you may they did it wrong. So you're not actually going to pay them. But you may maybe you end up paying some, but probably not all. And that's like its whole thing. And then these agencies are in like a state of disarray because some people take the resignation. Some people don't. Nobody everybody knows what the fuck is going on. So it's chaos, right? Chaos that you've created on purpose by design. And then you exploit that cancer like, hey, well, we can't have schedule left because like, look at the state of these agencies. Everyone's resigning.
00:11:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, like we got to, we got to put some people in there. So we got to get rid of schedule F and then we got to put it in so the federal government can continue to function.
00:11:29
James
yeah yeah But they don't want things to function. they want to they They want to make it not function well so that they can talk about the evils of the federal government.
00:11:45
James
Federal government can't do anything right. Just look at it. Look at what a mess it is. That's why the federal government can't do anything right. Hey, you know rich buddy of mine, you want to buy it? You want to do this contract? How about we just give you a whole bunch of money? And then you can be in charge of it. Classic Republican move. You break it so the American taxpayers can buy it from a corporation.
00:12:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, exactly.
00:12:13
James
Yep.
00:12:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So that's a great segue on the topic of buying things from a corporation.
Pam Bondi and Political Lobbying
00:12:19
James
Yeah.
00:12:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um So last week we we talked about ah Pam Bondi's ah Senate a confirmation hearing to be the attorney's general. um And so like in reading up a little bit more on Pam Bondi because of some some new initiatives,
00:12:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
learned some interesting things. So one of the things that Pam Bondi was doing ah previously was she was lobbying ah for the GEO, I think it's GEO, maybe it's GEO, but the GEO GEO group, um which runs prisons. um So it's kind of like the the plan is kind of revealing itself here. So, you know, it's really difficult to ah you know as as the as the Nazi party realized in the 1930s, it's really difficult to to follow through on your promise to you know carry out mass deportations. what's a little So what you do, yes, is you you capture the people, and then you start building camps.
00:13:26
James
Which they're doing in Guantanamo Bay. They're going to build a huge massive immigration thing in Guantanamo too.
00:13:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, they signed off to have have that used for 30,000 people, I think.
00:13:32
James
But camps everywhere.
00:13:36
James
Yeah. They're going to be everywhere.
00:13:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, but they're also building other, other camps everywhere, which is why the geo group among other, um, prisons, you know, private prison companies are like their stocks are just like jumping up because yeah, private prisons.
00:13:51
James
They're going up. Private prisons. Yeah, private prisons.
00:13:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So then, so that segues us into these laws. So Missouri passed a ah bounty bill and Mrs.
00:14:04
James
They didn't pass it. They did not pass it.
00:14:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm sorry. Yeah, they didn't pass it. They, what do they do?
00:14:07
James
yeah ah you think A member of their house their state house proposed it.
00:14:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They,
00:14:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I was just, I thought the house passed it, but the Senate didn't.
00:14:14
James
Honestly, it's probably not going to go anywhere. well I don't believe so, no. I believe it's just they proposed it.
00:14:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, okay. i
00:14:22
James
It's not going to go anywhere, but it sends the same message of what they but people think is a great idea on that side.
00:14:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So that's basically like putting a bounty on immigrants. So like, you know, if you're a bounty hunter, you're law enforcement, you're just Joe Blow on the street. You can go up to someone who seems like they might be you know, an illegal immigrant because they're brown or know how to speak Spanish.
00:14:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Um, and you can turn them in for, for $1,000 or $2,000, some kind of bounty.
00:14:50
James
Yeah, $1,000 bucks. $1,000 bucks.
00:14:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. Thousand bucks, which can be real helpful in this. Uh, you know, once the tariffs kick in and the price of everything goes up, you're going to need that thousand bucks.
00:15:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then Mississippi was like, hold my beer, uh, and proposed a bill. uh, that would change the penalty for being an immigrant in Mississippi, uh, to life in prison.
00:15:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And, you know, I think we talked about this previously too, like they have, uh, they, yeah, they use the prisons for labor and they pay them dirt.
00:15:25
James
Labor.
00:15:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so it's basically like, well, rather than paying the, the immigrants low wages and just now letting them benefit from the, like the,
00:15:31
James
so
00:15:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know they're paying into the They're paying taxes, but they're not actually able to like take advantage of all the benefits of being a citizen. ah We'll just pay them nothing, make it illegal to exist in this country as them, put them in jail for life, and then make them work for free. Just bring them back slave labor.
00:15:59
James
Yeah, and Mississippi is, they they go crazy. um It's not like just like ah picking up trash on the side of the road. Mississippi, they have 150 different private businesses that quote, employ inmates, right?
00:16:18
James
um It's everything. The meat packing industry uses as ah prisoners. um they use they use prisoners for cheap labor all over the place in Mississippi. Which is no wonder why Mississippians are always on, you know, are one of the biggest welfare recipient states, you know? They're not competing against illegals, they're competing against prisoners.
00:16:44
James
Yeah.
00:16:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Ridiculous.
00:16:47
James
Yeah, so.
00:16:51
James
Now they do, the one only good thing about it if you have to find a silver lining is that there are nonprofits on there they do help find work for people and you know they do have a they get more skill sets of some of the jobs they use but yeah mississippi is really big on prison labor some states it's the some states don't do it some states do i don't know about all of them to do it but i think it's pretty safe bet to say probably all the the south you know bible belt states they probably uh
00:17:26
James
They probably love it.
00:17:30
James
But yeah, private prisons, lobbying. She's a lobbyist for them. She lobbies on for them. She lobbies for Qatar. She lobbies for everybody else. ah Amazon. Private prisons. She's only got a couple of her little firms who've done stuff for private prisons. so But don't worry, she didn't list any conflicts of interest when she was going to be confirmed.
00:17:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, well, it's fine then.
Trump University Controversy
00:17:55
James
yep She had no conflicts of interest.
00:18:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. No conflicts of interest.
00:18:06
James
Yeah.
00:18:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just like, just like there was no conflict of interest when Donald Trump's fake charity donated $25,000 to her reelection campaign.
00:18:07
James
Anyway, I mean ah to Pam body. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
When, uh, Florida was thinking of What was the thing that they were thinking about going after him for? Was it Trump university, the Trump university scam?
00:18:27
James
Yeah.
00:18:32
James
Yeah, it was Trump University. She decided not to go after him after he gave her a big donation, we'll say.
00:18:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:18:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. So as the Florida attorney general, she decided to not pursue Trump university, uh, for, for damages on behalf of the people of Florida.
00:18:53
James
Yeah.
00:18:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
uh, who were taken advantage of by Trump universe.
00:18:56
James
Not a bribe. It's a gratuity. It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity.
00:18:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. And she decided not to write after his charity. That was not really a charity gave her, uh, $25,000.
00:19:09
James
Yeah, but she's gonna be the next Attorney General. I mean, and that's pretty much a show-in.
00:19:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, I mean, at this point, at this point, like, I think everybody's going to get through. I think he's going to sweep. I think everybody he wants. I mean, I think you don't think Tulsi.
00:19:24
James
Yeah, Kelsey will knock it in.
00:19:28
James
And I think Tulsi will not get in. And I will also say for the one or two people who listened to the podcast last week, thank you. I was right. It's 5150.
00:19:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh yes.
00:19:39
James
I'm Pete Hegseth. Just had to say that.
00:19:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Good call. Good call.
00:19:42
James
5150.
00:19:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, they could, they could lose three. So they were probably strategic.
00:19:47
James
Yeah, they'll they'll lose more than three on Tulsi. Tulsi's not getting through. I don't think.
00:19:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, You know, like in 2016, I'm going to I'm going to guard against my disappointment by assuming that they're all going to get in.
Political Appointments and Criticism
00:20:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, what do you think about um about was it is it Sean Ducey, the ah the transportation secretary?
00:20:07
James
Oh.
00:20:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like right after Trump comes up there and blames D.I. for the you know, for the helicopter hitting the plane.
00:20:16
James
Sean Ducey?
00:20:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like I just read his name and maybe I'm just getting it wrong.
00:20:21
James
Not the dude from Fox, not Steve Ducey, right?
00:20:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. Yeah. It was a guy from Fox.
00:20:25
James
Oh my god, Steven Ducey, such a tool.
00:20:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So this guy was like, this guy, I swear it was Sean, but okay.
00:20:28
James
Oh my god.
00:20:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But this this guy was on, he got to start and on the real world Boston on MTV reality television. And then he became a Fox news host. And now he's going to be, he's who that's who Trump has picked for a transportation secretary.
00:20:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So right after he was like, It's definitely DEI and not all the people I have fired from the aviation safety or all the pressure I put on the air traffic controllers. It's definitely the Browns.
00:20:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um And here's some dipshit from the real world to to speak next.
00:21:01
James
Steve, Jesse.
00:21:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just fucking ridiculous, man.
00:21:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
do do they Do they confirm the transportation? Do they confirm everyone in the cabinet or just some of them?
00:21:15
James
this acting no he's a they're all acting right now they're all acting oh yeah and it's Steve Ducey is the same it's the same idiot from Fox oh my god wow yeah by the way if anybody doesn't know anything else about Stephen do there is Peter Ducey right Peter Ducey right or the Steve Ducey
00:21:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK.
00:21:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm going to look it up. and I'm going to look it up.
00:21:34
James
you see if it's Peter du because Peter Ducey Steve Ducey is Peter Ducey's dad
00:21:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sean Duffy. I knew it was Sean.
00:21:45
James
Okay.
00:21:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sean Duffy.
00:21:45
James
So neither of the Ducey's. I was about to say, I didn't hear about Steve Ducey.
00:21:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, it's none of the deuces. It's it' the duff- but, the you know, their dunce names are all very similar.
00:21:49
James
Thank you. Okay. Good.
00:21:56
James
Okay. Yes. Peter Ducey was referred on a, it was the one that, um, uh, Joe Biden on a hot mic said he was a stupid son of a bitch.
00:22:10
James
Anyway, sorry. There we go.
00:22:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah Oh, and uh...
00:22:13
James
Man.
00:22:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just jumping around here. ah um So Hegseth was confirmed.
00:22:19
James
but yeah
00:22:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And his first act was to take away General Milley's security detail while he has he also has threats from Iran against his life, you know joining the list of other enemies of Trump who don't get.
00:22:22
James
said.
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James
and
00:22:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So here's my thing, OK? the the democrats do this thing where they're like hand wringing and they're like oh you guys are so mischievous you're just oh man and when we get back in power we'll be the adults in the room and we're not going to do this we're not going to be like no no aid for you texas or alabama you know unless you do some education reform and make it easier for the black people to vote. We're all, we're not going to give you any aid or like, Oh, Trump, we're not going to give you any secret service details. We, you're, you're our enemy. Fuck you. No, no security for you. Okay. They're not going to do that, but they absolutely should. They absolutely fucking lutely should. I'm so sick of the Democrats showing up to a gunfight with a fucking Twizzler. It's just, it is the most frustrating thing. Like I want them to do.
00:23:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
to to be like they need to be like a like a brilliantly smart, incredibly beautiful, like heart full of hatred, deeply vindictive ex-wife in a ah ah very contentious divorce.
00:23:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like they need to just bury the knife deep and twist it at every possible opportunity.
00:23:57
James
put
00:24:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They need to to use power to the full extent fullest extent ah that it can be used in every instance. Because that's what they're up against.
00:24:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This, like, you know, we're going to take the high road and get our asses kicked is not working.
00:24:18
James
Hmm. Hmm. well I agree but right now they don't have any power so when you are the minority you have almost no power you have a few tricks up your sleeve you can't exactly get away with all the time you know and basically that's the Senate and filibuster that's really what they got
00:24:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
True.
00:24:51
James
If you're on the house side, if you're the minority in the house, you got no power. You got nothing, you know?
00:24:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Can they, can they call hearings in the, in the house if they're not like, you know, if they're in the minority party, they can't say.
00:25:01
James
If they're not the majority party, no.
00:25:05
James
The majority, the speaker of the house calls hearings.
00:25:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So mean they can't do anything official, but they can still, they can still call press conferences.
00:25:14
James
They can talk about something at another hearing. yeah They can have press conferences and stuff like that. and You know, we know how many people watch those, you know.
00:25:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's true.
00:25:25
James
Yeah. And.
00:25:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Although I've been seeing somebody i like talking on Instagram like it's like i it Chris Murphy or something like that. Is that a guy?
00:25:34
James
Yeah. Senator Chris Murphy, Connecticut, Sandy Hook, you know, parents.
00:25:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:25:37
James
sort of Yeah.
00:25:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, that's that's the guy I've been seeing him on social media a lot like him, you know, on Instagram or TikTok doing like two or three minutes of whatever on whatever the thing was.
00:25:43
James
Yeah. Him and AOC are out there loud.
00:25:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I feel like he's gearing up for like a presidential run.
00:25:48
James
Mm-hmm.
00:25:55
James
Let's hope that we still have those you know elections.
00:26:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Let's hope that we make it to midterms.
00:26:03
James
And here's the problem with what you're proposing, basically, like twisting the knife at every chance, every hearing, every chance you get, do this. Like here, I'm looking at a Daily Mail article. It's just about Tulsi Gabbard confirmation hearing.
00:26:19
James
right ah Headline is ah astonishing moment Tulsi Gabbard is screamed at by Democrat senator as confirmation ugly confirmation hearing turns ugly Right, it's cuz he talked about basically.
00:26:33
James
Hey um You said all these nice wonderful things about Putin and Assad and everything else and you were you know, you were in this call She was she was on the call everybody.
00:26:43
James
Let's not forget that she was on the call.
00:26:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what What cult was she in?
00:26:46
James
Oh, what's a the guru? What was her guru name? ah Tulsi Guru. Let's just Google that. Tulsi Guru. Why, yeah. Tulsi gave her picture that altered, they gave it to her wacky, anti-gay guru, Chris Butler. Yeah. Yeah. ah The founder of the Hawaii-based Science of Identity Foundation, you know,
00:27:16
James
he's He's God's representative on Earth, according to Tulsi Gabbard and other people. you know Yeah.
00:27:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
there's so many of those like you know you can like you can like uh you know if you can just find like a really pretty like a like a very attractive like like 11 year old boy and just swing him around like a stick you could probably hit you know a good half dozen
00:27:25
James
Yeah.
00:27:31
James
Yeah, Hare Krishna.
00:27:39
James
Yeah, it's an offshoot of, they're an offshoot of Hare Krishna's, you know? And yeah the foundation was formed in the 70s by Chris Butler. And since then, you know he's God's representative on Earth. you know So anyway, it doesn't really matter. ah Either way, the questioning was about, hey, there's a sod and this and that. You have all these questionable things here. And and you even you know sponsored a bill you know to um you know about Edward Snowden. So Edward Snowden's
00:28:14
James
wrong blah blah blah blah blah whatever right like Edward Snowden took all of our secrets and gave it to Russia man and now he's in Russia you know I mean and you're okay with that if you went to job as DEI you're supposed to be in charge of our national security but apparently you're okay with our national security secrets going to Russia you know you can't have it both ways and um yeah he was hammering around that a little bit but the whole article is all about astonishing all these Democrats through so mad and you know and then I know that you know you never looked at the comments, but you look at the comments, right? Everybody's all like, oh, these Democrat senators have been deliberately rude and disrespectful and blah, blah, oh, they're so mean. Look at, of course they follow Trump. I mean, God, but you don't want to, it's kind of like what you told me last week. when We were talking last week, right? It's, uh, you're not going to win over any voters by saying that they're dumb and they're the reason, right?
00:29:12
James
Same thing, if you have people who may be persuaded to your side, right? Usually people don't like the person who's acting like the asshole, you know?
00:29:25
James
So they try to be disagree, you know, disagree without being disagreeable.
00:29:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, I mean.
00:29:32
James
You know, they try to do that and, you know, try and play the cards right to, you know, I think they're just gonna play the cards right there. hitting them when they can on some things, they're trying to just be political or whatever about it.
00:29:44
James
And knowing they don't really have any real power to do anything about it.
00:29:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Did you?
00:29:51
James
Try not to turn people off too much, you know, and let the the administration implode.
00:29:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Did you see um did you see real time with Bill Maher last week?
00:30:02
James
I did not.
00:30:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK, so he had on. I'm totally forgetting the guy's name. He had on a guy. I think it's like Steven Steven something he's like a he's like a sports guy.
00:30:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But he's also like from Brooklyn. ah He's black. I feel like he's been a sports journalist for forever. He's he's great. um And i didn't I'd never heard him talk about politics before. you know I don't really follow sports, so I just had kind of like you know seen him in like ads or something here and there.
Passion in Political Discourse
00:30:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um But seeing him on the show, he was so great to watch. And every time he would talk about ah politics, uh, he was so fired up. Like you could hear the fury in his voice. Uh, and I think that's what I think that is a thing that people absolutely resonate with. Like I think that when they hear AOC talking, they can tell she's passionate. They can tell she means what she says and she cares about it. And she's upset about the way that things are. Same thing for like for Warren or Bernie Sanders and absolutely same thing for Trump.
00:31:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like and I think the difference is like where Trump is a pretend populist. you know he He bills himself as a populist. But really, he's just like you know trying to to transfer as much wealth from anywhere that he can transfer it from towards towards him and the people who are you know kiss going to kiss the ring and help him get money.
00:31:32
James
He answered himself friend and I'm going to give him money.
00:31:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um You know, those guys mean it, right? And like that populism, that like rich-poor divide um and that like appeal to like common sense. And you know, that's, that's, that's at the heart of like the whole DEI thing, you know? So like the DEI made a lot of sense originally when all the jobs just went to Bob's white, white nephew, you know? It was like, oh, are you, are you white and, and male?
00:32:10
James
Stephen Smith at troubles.
00:32:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We've got a job for you Steve Smith. Yeah Yeah, he was he was excellent on there um Yeah, no, it was so like we needed dei right because like we needed to correct the like Refusing to hire people because they were not white men essentially, right? ah but I think the thing that like people are like really frustrated by is the the perception that instead of hiring the most qualified person or the best person, they're hiring the best, most qualified person who also is, uh, from some minority group to say that they do it. And like, it's never because you actually just want to, to, uh, you know, hire these people because you care about them. It's always this like kind of corrupted incentivization.
00:33:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh, and then it kind of morphs into this, like, you know, encouraging white guilt and this like victim hood mentality and like, you know, the victim Olympics, this whole, this whole set of things that are just really, really gross. And I feel like the capstone on that, like shit sandwich is, um, is the the stuff about like trans athletes.
00:33:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, that's that's just the the cherry on the top of the Sunday. um Because we all know that men are bigger and stronger than women, and that's why we separated the sports.
00:33:51
James
Well, all I gotta say is, ah okay, we've talked about this for weeks, months, probably, I think. I mean, you have, it's only been a few episodes and we've been, sorry, I didn't spend that much time on recordings of it, but I'm kind of sick and tired of people saying that shit, because here's the thing.
00:34:10
James
The Democrats, the Democrats, the Democratic Party is not out there speaking to the 1%, like Stephen Smith was talking about 1%, or so i've read I've read the thing on there, he's talking about why they vote for him, that he's convicted 34 times, 34 felonies and blah, blah, blah, and he's a felon and this and that, and they'll still pick him because he said he's gonna do this, and Democrats waste all their time talking about trans stuff or 1%, the issues that only affect 1% of the population. I disagree with that.
00:34:40
James
wholeheartedly because the Democrats they were going to party don't do that they just I mean here for for the most part they just do lip service to them you know I mean they're not exactly out there doing a whole lot or speaking about trans issues. Now, trans community, the LGBTQ, they are doing it. They have some loud proponents for their causes, right? They have, I mean, people do parades. They do all these things here. The Democratic Party is not the one doing it, you know? Other people are, and they're getting picked up on media. And then somebody says, oh, like, you know, ban this stuff, ban this stuff.
00:35:22
James
the Democratic Party's like, no, we're for equality. We're, you know, we're not going to discriminate against people. And all of a sudden that's, you're speaking to the 1%, man. Why don't you just roll over and let them fucking put them on a camp and kill them? God, you're spending all this time defending those people. No, we're not. They're not spending all the time defending. We're not out there selling trans stuff to people. It's it's like like in that thing with Kamala, man. It was like a one question from years ago and became this huge commercial and everything else. Kamala didn't say shit about trans stuff this last election. The Republicans just said she was talking about it.
00:36:02
James
She didn't say it. Nobody was doing out there going out there. they weren't They didn't say anything about all that identity politics. She didn't even address the fact they're talking about, what is it like to be the first woman president? She would dodge that question faster than like Keanu Reeves dodging a bullet in The Matrix. You know what I mean? Whoa, I ain't talking this fucking identity politics shit. Let me talk about something else. You know what I mean? Democrats weren't doing it. They just have the perception that they do it.
00:36:30
James
and like my boss always said, perceptions reality, you know, hey, they have the perception at work of this. You need to change people's perception. That's the problem. We need to change the perception.
00:36:40
James
The Democrats aren't spending all their time talking about trans stuff and lgbt, lgbt, q plus, I think that's it.
00:36:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I, whatever. yeah Okay. So here's, here's the, here's the counter to that. Okay.
00:36:55
James
Yeah.
00:36:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If you looked at Kamala's website when she was running for president, okay. She had this, this list, like who we're fighting for. And she lists all these different groups of people and these groups amount to 70% of the people in the country.
00:37:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the people who are excluded are white men.
00:37:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like if you're for everyone but white men, you're not for everyone but white men. You're just you're just excluding white men. And when we talk about like all these like DEI hires and DEI initiatives, like there is the video of the LA, not the fire chief, but like one down, the second, the other, Christina,
00:37:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah talking about how, you know, when, when, when someone comes, you know, when the fire department comes to your house to put the fire out and then someone comes into your house to like, to rescue you, you know, it's important that there's someone who looks like you, like, no, it fucking, no, no, it fucking isn't. It isn't important that someone looks like you. It's important that like, they're able to carry you out and get you to safety. That's, that's what's important. It's important that they know how to put the fires out. It's important that there are enough people hired to put the fires out.
00:38:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, it's the same thing, like this same thing, like it was the same thing with like the secret service. Like, Oh, we were in order to get more recruitment, we're going to make it so that we're going to set the goal of having 30% of the people in the secret service are going to be women by blah, blah, blah time. And so they start hiring more women. Like, like there are real, there are real like impacts of these, of these policies. And like, that's the thing that people are, are really upset about and rightly so.
00:38:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because like, because again, like the divide isn't between this group and that group because it's better to it is better to be ah a gay black trans woman than it is to be a poor white man.
00:38:49
James
It's actually not. That's not why. Time out.
00:38:57
James
No. I plan on it. See, here's where I think, you know what?
00:39:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like if if the if the black trans woman is rich.
00:39:05
James
Again, you know what that is? That is the white person's perception of it. I think I wish this podcast, I wish we should get some people on here. We should get some black people and some gay people and some other people on here who have jobs, you know, and say, isn't it so much easier?
00:39:22
James
Isn't it so much easier for you trying to transition? Isn't it so much easier for you at work and doing this? Hey, you're a black guy, you know, and in a, in a, in an industry that's like 90%.
00:39:32
James
Why isn't it easier for you? Isn't that, that must be why you got hired, right? Here, please.
00:39:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The thing that the thing that I'm saying easier is to be is to be any collection of minorities and rich than it is to be none of the minorities and poor because rich because the divide is rich poor.
00:39:36
James
ah It's not, it's white people have a perception.
00:39:45
James
that's not rich yeah but the thing is this all these all these places that like started like you know being boy sound and they start opening up like okay we we're we're gonna hire women okay we gotta start hiring women okay we got hired
00:40:01
James
they always end up, the the ah perception that Trump is selling, and some people sell those, oh, well, they used to be better, but now they're just hiring these people because they're women or because they're minority or whatever, right? No.
00:40:16
James
It's not the case at all, right? And in fact, all these places have actually benefited from it. The military has benefited greatly by having women in the military, right? The Secret Service has definitely benefited greatly when they started ink getting women in the Secret Service. Women can do things that men can't do. Men can do some things that women can't do, you know, like, I mean, physical struggle, not all men either. That's another thing too.
00:40:42
James
you mean china the wrestler joni laura whatever you know at her prime when she was freaking huge and writing like crazy and she was massive and built like a tank you know i think she could do everything a man could do in the military you know like weights and physical you know physical stuff right she would have dusted most of those guys right i mean like i mean like guys can't have babies sure you know but also women can do things they can go undercover places they can do they can do operations that men can't do you know these it's they they get into these places here and it opens people's eyes oh shit well okay she could do this hey we could do that women can do this you know i mean and you know yeah you you may not and and there are some that we said about standards right yeah
00:41:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's true. It's true.
00:41:31
James
if you can't lift a person if you can't, you know, lift dead weight of like 130 140 pounds or something, right? You know, you can't be a lifeguard.
00:41:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If you're not tall enough, if you're not tall enough to body block the six foot tall president because you're a five foot tall woman, maybe you shouldn't be the one body blocking him in the secret service detail.
00:41:40
James
Yeah.
00:41:46
James
There should we know it though, but we know it though, the Secret Service detail that protects people like that. It's a very, very, very small number. That's, that's the Like the elite of the elite of the Secret Service. Secret Service generally isn't just the people protecting the president. And there's Secret Service agents who protect their families, who protect other things. They go out with their daughters. They follow them to schools. If they have kids, they do other things. And you need young people and other people. You need people who look different. You can't have a whole bunch of 40 year old white guys being Secret Service agents because they stick out like a sore thumb if they're going around a high school following, you know, the president's kid. You know what I mean?
00:42:26
James
you know and There's something to be said for having diversity. The people who say, we want somebody who looks like you, yeah that's kind of stupid. right Again, yes, you're true. In the fire, if you're burning, that's that's probably the case.
00:42:39
James
But at the same time, let's say you're a fire department in 1960s, 1950s Alabama.
00:42:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh
00:42:48
James
okay
00:42:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
-huh.
00:42:51
James
And you're ah you're you're a a black family. you know living, you know, I don't know, somewhere, outskirts of Montgomery, Alabama or something, right?
00:42:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
00:42:59
James
1950s.
00:43:02
James
Do you think they would have felt better about a, you know, a fire department that had some black people in it if it was an all white 1950s firefighting force?
00:43:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, yeah, because Alabama in the 50s, it's like the people setting the fire were probably the fucking white firefighters.
00:43:14
James
Well, yes, I'm saying there's a, there's a reason, there's a reason for diversity. yeah There's a reason for these kind of things, you know? Back then, before we had any such thing as diversity, a lot of bad shit happened in the government and in the police and with the fire department and a lot of these places here because they didn't look like everybody. They looked like, they looked like Donald Trump, you know? And there's a reason for diversity. It kind of helps keep people safer in other ways.
00:43:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know, I think the thing, I feel like what you're really advocating for is like, is for good people.
00:44:01
James
Diversity, all diversity means is diversity, right? You can't just hire a bunch of white people. You can't just hire a bunch of guys. That's what diversity is.
00:44:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah
00:44:12
James
And in in in and promoting diversity doesn't mean, I'm gonna promote that we don't hire these really good candidates because there's a black guy over there. That's not what diversity is.
00:44:23
James
And no one's ever said that. And that's not what affirmative action was, you know? It just got a bad rep. It got a bad perception. It's people's perception. It's like you said, it's about selling stuff to people. Selling it.
00:44:35
James
We need people to sell equality because people don't understand diversity is equality.
00:44:43
James
That's all it is.
00:44:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't think you want I think what you want is equity.
00:44:46
James
Diversity.
00:44:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Equity is like everyone has the the same chance to get something. Equality is everyone gets the same thing.
00:44:59
James
Okay. There you go. Equity.
00:45:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Equity.
00:45:01
James
Sure.
00:45:05
James
But if you don't have equity, you can't have equality. You know what I mean?
00:45:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this is This is true. Yeah, but I mean, I don't think i don't think you want equality. I'm thinking back to these.
00:45:14
James
Rights for people's rights. Rights. That's equality, right? Should everybody have, I know you agree with this. Do you think everybody, there should be equality in people's ability to get healthcare?
00:45:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No.
00:45:28
James
No. You don't think.
00:45:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So I think that, I think that they're saying, I was, I was thinking about this because I was watching the RFK hearing and somebody, and somebody asked ah Bernie Sanders, actually, it was in the Bernie Sanders
Healthcare Debate: Right or Privilege?
00:45:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
video.
00:45:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sanders is is is saying to him, um, do you think healthcare is a human right? And he's like, ah he gave what I thought was a kind of like a pretty decent, thoughtful answer that like,
00:45:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this, the format of the hearing didn't have time for. So like basically every Senator was getting like seven minutes and that's it, which is not enough time to like have a substantive conversation with someone about anything. All you can kind of do is like be like answer yes or no to my set of questions. So I can paint you however you're going to be painted by your answers to these questions basically. Um, but like Sanders asked him like, you know, is healthcare a human right? And he said something that was like, it was like, uh,
00:46:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, no, I don't think it's a human right because I think if somebody smokes for 20 years and gets lung cancer that like they shouldn't have access, like them, you know, having their cancer treatment because of their decision that they made is going to take away from, you know, money out of the pool that someone who didn't make that decision could have used blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's going to decrease the quality of care for everyone else who didn't make bad decisions. And,
00:46:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
it like I also struggle with this idea of like of like having a right to things. you know like I don't think that everything is just your right, that you just like naturally deserve everything. I think you deserve the things that you earn. A person who is in good shape and is and is healthy and like eats right and exercises and makes sure they sleep and drink water and does all the things, like they deserve to have the body and the health that comes from that.
00:47:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And somebody who does none of those things and a bunch of behaviors that are that are bad for them, they're sedentary and they eat garbage food, ah they deserve to have that outcome.
00:47:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I think like the difference comes when like those things are are differently differently available to people.
00:47:37
James
but about some what hey yeah But what if somebody has bad thyroid glands, and they eat perfectly right, and they eat healthy, and they work out, and they gain weight crazily without any explanation.
00:47:52
James
they use hurt swellll And they get huge they get fat effortlessly and everything else.
00:47:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. Yeah. Or, or you have somebody, or you have somebody who like lives in a food desert and they don't have access to like, to healthy food, right?
00:47:56
James
and but
00:48:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The healthy food that is in their area is super expensive. It requires them to like go way out of their way. You know, like their local grocery store just has kind of junk food for prices they can afford and they'd have to go to like a further away place and spend a lot more money than they have for food.
00:48:14
James
I'm just saying though, just...
00:48:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like that is, that's the, that's the equity difference, right? Like that's where like they should both have, have the option of doing the good thing, but they should also still have an incentive to do the good thing.
00:48:27
James
Well, the person with a thyroid problem is doing the right thing and they can't help it. They have a thyroid condition and what about the woman who gets pregnant?
00:48:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, yeah, that's you know, that's that's totally true.
00:48:41
James
Does she no longer get maternity care? I mean, it's her decision, man. She got knocked up. She had a she got pregnant.
00:48:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, actually, i when it comes to when it comes, OK, well, for one,
00:48:47
James
That's her decision.
00:48:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that is that is very, that is like, that is alarmingly, frequently not the case.
00:49:00
James
I'm just saying, you if you say the smoker, well, I don't agree with the smoker. He made a bad decision. Well, the person this person drinks soda. That's a bad decision. they're drinking You're eating sugary foods.
00:49:11
James
They live too close to the city. They work in a cold ah in a coal mine. That's bad for your lungs, man. He made the decision to work in that coal mine.
00:49:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so now and now you're getting into yeah So now you're getting into a whole bunch of very valid like systemic pressures.
00:49:23
James
Exactly.
00:49:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's what I'm talking about. is like is like
00:49:26
James
That's why I think everybody should.
00:49:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah
00:49:27
James
I thought you, but I thought you were going to answer the other way. It was like the lawyer question. I guess, you know, I should have answered the question. I didn't know the answer to. I thought for sure. You were going to say yes. Cause I do think everybody, I think, I think it is a, I mean, I think it should be a right.
00:49:40
James
I mean, it's not a right everywhere. Cause some places they just don't have doctors. They don't have technology.
00:49:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but like
00:49:45
James
You know, in this country I think it already is.
00:49:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, no, like I don't think that it should be a right. I think that it should be a privilege. I think that it should be a privilege. I think that it should be like, if you, if you live in America and you contribute to the society in a way that, that you are able to, then you should be able to get healthcare. I think that like, if you benefit from, from living in America and having your business in America and you make
00:50:11
James
Pay taxes in America
00:50:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
dramatically more money than what you need to like live extravagantly and own a whole bunch of businesses. Like, you know, your, your second billion dollars, for example, your second billion.
00:50:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. Like you don't need your second billion, you know, your second billion should go back into all of the people who made you your first billion.
00:50:32
James
Yeah.
00:50:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, like, like the it's not, it's not like, I don't think it needs to be a right for it to be the right thing to do. You know, I guess like maybe it's just like a semantic difference, but like.
00:50:42
James
so I think in our country, everybody should have a right to it. Like they were like, like, yeah, I mean, honestly, it's the Hillary Clinton. It's a Hillary Clinton answer. Basically what you're saying. I think everybody should have a right to, you know, or like the Republicans say to do this, one it wass like the right to access.
00:51:00
James
Everybody should have the right to the same level of access. It's not really much different than Medicare for All. It doesn't mean that's the only healthcare we would have would be Medicare for All. It just means everybody is entitled to the same baseline set.
00:51:13
James
At least this. Everybody can go there and get this. If you want extra specialists, you want extra this, you want second, third opinions, cool.
00:51:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:51:20
James
You can go do that on your own. everybody's entitled to this standard level of care. You're not going to have somebody getting kicked out of hospital and kicked out another hospital. Oh, we don't take you guys.
00:51:30
James
Oh, you have to go to another hospital. You have to go to the projects. You know what I mean?
00:51:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:51:34
James
Yeah.
00:51:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. Should you you know, should you have should everyone have access to care? Yes.
00:51:40
James
Yeah.
00:51:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Should anyone um go bankrupt because they had
00:51:43
James
No.
00:51:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Some, they had some sort of thing that they needed for a medical reason. No.
00:51:49
James
Yeah, exactly. There you go.
00:51:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, should anyone be in like crippling medical debt? No. But should there be some consequence for like being a lifelong smoker or being sedentary? Uh, yes.
00:52:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And maybe that consequence is just like, you know, you're less healthy and you don't live as long and your life isn't as pleasant or as able.
00:52:11
James
Disclaimer, I am a smoker. I smoke
00:52:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, just a disclaimer. I'm a former smoker. like you know I quit but of six six years ago or something like that.
Personal Health Story and System Critique
00:52:26
James
yeah oh Anyway, that was a long tangent.
00:52:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That was a long tangent. But I was trying to steer us towards more something where it was more opinion, debate, discussion.
00:52:41
James
Yeah.
00:52:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because I feel like a lot of times we end up kind of just like you know banging on our talking points and, um, and not doing as much of like a podcast talk talk.
00:52:47
James
Mm hmm.
00:52:53
James
Don't talk talk.
00:52:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. We're kind of like reading the news rather than like talking to each other.
00:52:56
James
Yeah. ah so
00:52:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I want to like have the news be like the, the thing that provokes the rest of the conversation.
00:53:05
James
Jumping off point.
00:53:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:53:06
James
Yeah, jumping off point, which is good for this week, because honestly, it's been a really busy week for me, you know?
00:53:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:53:12
James
like got the do and actually I just came that's man i can't believe we were talking about healthcare care stuff and then I just raced back from a doctor. as I made bad choices in life.
00:53:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm, I, that I, that I wanted you to go do.
00:53:22
James
I made bad choices in life.
00:53:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So I'm, I'm very glad that you did.
00:53:24
James
yeah
00:53:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm glad you went.
00:53:26
James
I mean, bad choices in life. If your company does a step challenge to encourage wellness, do not get so obsessed with winning that you end up running two marathons a day every day for weeks on end.
00:53:41
James
It is not good for your health. Trust me on this.
00:53:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You walked 50 miles a day every day.
00:53:46
James
Yeah. Well, walked, ran, rode a bike, and it was only the last like two and a half weeks where I was going over 100,000 steps a day, like every day for the last like week or two straight, every single day.
00:54:00
James
It was long.
00:54:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bro, this is way too much.
00:54:02
James
It was like, it was sick, man. I mean, it was sick. It was like 18 hour days on the feet. It was horrible.
00:54:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so this did something this did something that causes pain in you in your knees and collapsed the arch of one of your feet.
00:54:08
James
18, 19 hours.
00:54:15
James
Yeah, and I think maybe the bone shifted or something like I have one foot now that is completely a flat foot. I thought I had a lump on the bottom of my foot where the arch was. It's not.
00:54:26
James
That's my bone. Apparently my left foot is now just completely flat with no arch and my right foot still has a little arch that used to have. But ah yeah, I messed myself up pretty good.
00:54:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, at least you know why.
00:54:39
James
Yeah, I won.
00:54:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah know health care Healthcare, healthcare, I would say not, not a right, but, uh, definitely something that America is able to to provide to everyone here at a, at a really reasonable cost because there's such an ah overabundance of wealth and it shouldn't be something that we're, it shouldn't be something where we're having like Brian Johnson's who are making shitloads of money by
00:54:42
James
but
00:54:50
James
Yeah.
00:55:02
James
christian
00:55:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
all these exploitative practices because it just incentivizes bad behavior, just incentivizes like, you know, bad health outcomes and like the non empathetic standards of care.
00:55:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's just, you know, it, it, it incentivizes them to understaff nurses, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
00:55:21
James
Yeah, so, anyway, more to come, I guess, maybe next week.
00:55:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, for sure.
00:55:28
James
Anyway, if anybody's still listening to the guy in South Carolina, to the person in New York, I don't know, did you check the stats, Gabe?
00:55:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i I did not check the stats yet this week.
00:55:39
James
Should check the stats.
00:55:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do you want me to pull it up?
00:55:42
James
I don't see how many people are listening. I kinda wanna see how many people have picked up on this.
00:55:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sure.
00:55:46
James
It's growing exponentially. When you start with one listener, It's always growing exponentially.
00:55:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Honestly, I feel like it slowed down. So OK, we're at
00:55:53
James
Oh, really?
00:56:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
now yeah we're at wherere i'm sorry we're at twenty four We were at 18 last week.
00:56:06
James
Wow.
00:56:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But I don't think any of them were me this time. So they're all they're all new.
00:56:11
James
I have, I've purposely not listened to my voice. Oh, there we go.
00:56:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So yeah, we have we have four in South Carolina. We have one in Virginia, which I think was my niece.
00:56:22
James
ah
00:56:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah We have three in Iowa, two in Indiana, 14 in Illinois.
00:56:26
James
i
00:56:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
These are just Zincaster stats.
00:56:30
James
ah boy
00:56:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't have the Spotify stats, so maybe Spotify is a little bit better.
00:56:32
James
illinois lee project we work with
00:56:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Maybe.
00:56:37
James
and wonder and no if you If you work with us, let me know if you've listened.
00:56:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Maybe.
00:56:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
00:56:44
James
You can message me at work.
00:56:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's a couple of work people.
00:56:46
James
but but
00:56:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i i gave the part I gave the link to one person that we work with. I'll tell you about offline.
00:56:53
James
Okay.
00:56:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
All right, actually, let's just cut the podcast here.
00:56:55
James
All right.
00:56:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thanks, guys. Thanks for tuning in.
00:56:57
James
Yep.
00:56:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um Stay alive. Drink water.
00:57:01
James
All right.
00:57:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Don't walk too much.
00:57:05
James
Have fun. See you next week.