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the one after the tariff pump and dump scheme (ep. 14)
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inside a childrens migrant facility
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFy6HYiJbE-/
scotus trump must return kilmar to US
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/10/politics/supreme-court-abrego-garcia/index.html
scott galloway and gary stevenson chop every tariff myth
chat gpt? but shitty prompts
https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-ai-chatgpt-gemini-claude-grok
market manipulation + tweets = soo much scheme
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/trump-charles-schwab-stock-market-tariffs-nascar-b2731096.html
singapore
https://www.instagram.com/p/DILLLdgoPHv/
china is legalizing counterfitting us products, bc why not?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DIKy-RJRI3p/
trump wants to send us citizens to foreign prisons - soooo unconstitutional
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/10/trump-deportation-us-citizens-legal/
the save act - aka hand maids tale part 1
https://www.instagram.com/p/DH4Qt8dBHlO/
hhs firings
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/08/hhs-mass-firings
new head of doj
laura loomer picks nsc?
ukraine - russia signals no interest in a deal, so lets crash the markets instead!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeugL6jV3W4
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Transcript
Technical Issues and Podcast Introduction
00:00:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I've got to fix the volume leveling on this. Welcome to Oh Brother News, where the intro music is too quiet.
00:00:11
James
And always changing.
00:00:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and always no it's just been the same for a couple of weeks. But anyways, I'm Gabe.
00:00:17
James
I'm James.
Key Political Insights and Weekly Topics
00:00:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And we're brothers. We've been talking before we started recording, just burning good insights. um So let's just get into it. Here's the laundry list of things.
00:00:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
we can talk about this week.
Tariffs and Trump's Cabinet Dynamics
00:00:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um
00:00:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So the big story is tariffs under tariffs. You have stuff like Trump at this cabinet meeting where he can't even look at the camera because he knows he's so full of shit.
00:00:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um We have the Scott Galloway and Gary Steven Stevenson um kind of go over some of their insights from the latest Prop G Market Watch.
00:00:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah The chat GPT, but bad prompts seems to have possibly been a source of the tariff strategy.
00:01:06
James
Yep.
00:01:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah There's the market manipulation and the tweets. So much scheme.
Market Manipulation and Economic Theories
00:01:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We have my personal theory that like is all of this chaos like making the market sick. so that you can sell them the cure just in time for midterms. Congress can be like, oh, we found our conscience. Let's stop Trump. Look how much better everything
International Trade Tensions and Legal Developments
00:01:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
is. All of a sudden, vote for us now.
00:01:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um We fixed it. There's the back and forth distillation of the tariffs into a trade war with China. There's the way we're shitting on our allies, in particular Singapore. Related and related to China, there's the way that they're you know talking about legalizing counterfeiting US products and selling them for $5, 5 cents on the dollar and just undercutting iPhones.
00:01:59
James
I thought they already did that.
00:02:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um There's this SCOTUS decision where they're going against Trump saying that the government must facilitate the return of Kilmar to the US.
00:02:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We've got to look inside a children's migrant facility. Spoiler alert, it's fucking terrible.
00:02:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um there's update on the Ukraine war. We're halfway through the list. Just the list, by the way. There's an update on the Ukraine
IEEPA Powers and SAVE Act Concerns
00:02:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
war. Russia signals no interest in a deal, so let's crash the markets instead.
00:02:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Seems like a great plan. There's the IE EPA, which is the what?
00:02:36
James
and wasn't a plan. I was lucky.
00:02:41
James
I said that wasn't a plan. That was just dumb luck.
00:02:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I guess. Yeah, but there's the IE EPA and whole bunch of other powers that it gives um trump i'm gonna read through that brief but terrifying list of extra horrible things he can do there is the save act or you know handmaid's tale part one where the short version is i just passed the house and it's gonna disenfranchise i don't know some percentage of 70 million women
00:03:04
James
Hmm.
00:03:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah so that they're not going be able to vote unless they get a passport, um which can take up to six months when the government isn't being doged. So, you know, we'll see how that goes.
00:03:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um There are mass firings at HHS. So we're just throwing away CDC and FDA people like you thought the
00:03:42
James
Shocker.
Healthcare and Workforce Impacts
00:03:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
the flu vaccine not coming was going to be bad maybe like I did and thought well my grandma who on cancer medication and so she's her immune system is perpetually compromised so she relies on things like a flu shot and there isn't going to be one so you know suddenly these small things become scary so let's just like tip the iceberg but we're just we're firing all sorts of people we could I don't even know if we're going to get to that.
00:04:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's a new head of of the of the Department of Justice.
00:04:24
James
Yeah.
00:04:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah James has a little more information on that one. And we've got Laura Loomer picking national security chiefs. So
Insider Trading and Tariff Decisions
00:04:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that's cool.
00:04:33
James
Come to me.
00:04:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
where You were just telling me about about tariffs. And in particular, um like the one insight want to make sure that you talk about is what you were saying about this piece that's been very underreported because I actually hadn't heard it until you told me about it. So can you get into that again?
00:04:52
James
Oh, are you talking about the insider trading stuff? thought that on the scheme stuff. You know, you're right on there.
00:04:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
the um the It was the piece about the increase in the interest rate when they started dumping the bonds.
00:04:59
James
Oh, yeah.
00:05:05
James
oh yeah All right. So here's the thing. All right. So Trump.
00:05:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i just like take it from the top.
00:05:09
James
Yeah. So Trump, obviously, on again, off again, stupid tariffs, you know, whatever. We've been talking about that for a little bit.
00:05:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:05:15
James
Everybody's been talking about that. um But they weren't. Well. What enough people weren't talking about is why he called it off less than 24 hours after Caroline Levitt very publicly said it and and the at the White House you know press room.
00:05:33
James
I just spoke to Donald Trump. He has absolutely no intention of calling off these tariffs. No, there's going some pain, blah, blah, blah, but no way. He's going forward with it. We are not doing no pause. They asked him literally less than a day earlier.
00:05:45
James
Is he considering a pause or anything to negotiate? What about these countries that he says, you know, it's kissing his ass, as he's put it, you know? is are we gonna Is there any chance of a pause while we negotiate with these people?
00:05:56
James
Nope. President Trump said, absolutely not. Not going to pause. Right? And the thing is, all right, when people
Market Shifts and Economic Implications
00:06:06
James
dump stocks, usually they put their money in bonds.
00:06:11
James
Right? Stocks are volatile. Bonds are not. And like they're, can't remember who i was watching earlier. They're saying, it just makes perfect sense. If you've already become a billionaire, you're already rich. You got all your money.
00:06:22
James
You don't need to play the stock market anymore. You're already rich. You can take your money out of the stock market, put it into bonds where you get like 4%, 5%, 4.5% interest, right? you're already a billionaire, there you go. gonna get like $50 million dollars a year on interest and you know payments you know from the government, all right?
00:06:39
James
So when stock markets has a big sell-off, usually what happens is stock markets sell-off, money goes into treasury bonds. When people buy up all these bonds, long-term, you know, then you know the the price of the dollar increases, interest rates drop, right?
00:06:55
James
If the interest rates drop, it becomes like your like your national debt, right? If you want to refinance your debt, right? Same thing with the government. They can do the same thing too. They refinance their debt, right? $36 trillion dollars in debt, people.
00:07:10
James
So when the interest rate is going to go down and you want...
00:07:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So who owns the, who owns the
00:07:17
James
Oh, Japan owns the most.
00:07:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
then China owns bunch.
00:07:19
James
but Japan owns almost a third of it. Okay.
00:07:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then the EU owns a bunch.
00:07:22
James
And China, China owns. Yeah. e you Those are the, yeah. Japan, China, UK are the biggest ones. Right. um Anyway, um there's a lot more.
00:07:34
James
I have one here from billions of dollars. And when you have, $1,079 billion. You're talking, you I mean, that's just like, that's like, that was Japan. That was as of, shoot, when was this one?
00:07:47
James
ah this Actually, it's up to date. I got that from the treasury, tickdata.treasury.gov. So whatever. um Anyway, so yeah, they own a lot of our debt, right?
Trump's Market Influence and Allegations
00:07:59
James
They own that much of our debt. ah They own treasury bonds. So what you don't want to have happen is if if you have the stock market crashing, right, you would expect people to go into your treasury bonds, which makes your interest rates lower.
00:08:15
James
And if the interest rates are lower, then you can come out and say, hey, the stock market's not the economy. Hey, look, our interest rates are going down. This is great. you know We're saving money. Look at that. It's less money on your debt because if you have lower interest rates, then you can refinance that debt and you save money.
00:08:31
James
But when Trump was just going stupid on his king powers, right, Japan called his bluff. And there's another, ah ah think James Carville or somebody else, so they they said, you know, Trump picked a fight with our creditors and our creditors, you know, just won, you know, because he picked a fight with everybody.
00:08:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
00:08:50
James
And Japan, the rumor is it's Japan. I'm sure within days we'll know exactly which foreign country dumped. a shitload of bonds, right?
00:09:02
James
So much that the bond rates started increasing, our interest rates started increasing because treasury bonds were going down. So the stock market is tanking, crashing, then the bond markets crashing, and tanking.
00:09:14
James
There's a couple other articles that said they're treating, like investors are treating the United States like a developing country. You know what mean? that's This is really weird.
00:09:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm hmm.
00:09:21
James
This doesn't happen with the United States because we're the current, you know, the reserve currency of the world because we're so stable.
00:09:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, you know, we're also we're also on God, I can't remember the acronym, but there's like the ah like democracy something like, like, are you a democracy?
00:09:35
James
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And we're like, we're like falling on that.
00:09:38
James
You were following on that too. Yeah.
00:09:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We're like, even with Iran on are we a ah democracy?
00:09:44
James
Yeah. So long story short though, and Trump admitted as such, you know, the tarmac up there, but everything he was talking and they're like, why did you do it? Why did you do it Because, well, i was up at midnight. I saw what the bond market was happening. People were getting yippy.
00:09:59
James
People were getting queasy. That's what he said. So in other words, he just said,
00:10:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thank you.
00:10:03
James
Oh, yeah, I saw that they were dunk near they were dumping on our there but treasury bonds, making the United States' interest rates start going way up. And when that happened, he blinged. He's like, oh, shit.
00:10:14
James
Okay, the everything's going to crash. There's no way around him being completely blamed and just, you know, looking like a pariah if he's blamed for that, you know.
00:10:25
James
So that's when he decided, okay, we're gonna we're gonna I'm going to call this off. I'm going to, you know, announce a 90-day pause. everything else but of course not before he told all his buddies so of what he's going to do which is why the call options
Republican Strategies and Spending Critiques
00:10:42
James
oh my fucking god man one hour yeah right is it they started getting played be minutes before his tweet went out that says this is a great time to buy dash djt right and
00:10:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
a
00:10:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, I mean, so that by itself is ah like, you know, you have you have Marjorie Taylor Greene buying, ah you know, like one point one million dollars worth the call options in a day.
00:11:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You have you have him tweeting five minutes before he makes an announcement that like clearly manipulates the market.
00:11:14
James
product Oh, he he tweeted he tweeted a couple hours before.
00:11:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that i thought it was five minutes.
00:11:21
James
No, no, the call options started coming in minutes before.
00:11:26
James
Like the like they like the like one person made call options
00:11:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, I can see.
00:11:31
James
expiring same day five minutes like or the hour, the the lead the hour leading up to his tweet, right?
00:11:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:11:39
James
ah That was one hour. And the one hour before he posted his buy post on True Social, call options were up 2100% in that one hour. Right before he made that tweet, you know?
00:11:53
James
and And then little bit later, then this very shortly after, he made the announcement after all those, you know, all those the stock market bets were placed.
00:11:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:12:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
God.
00:12:04
James
And then they all got rich. And then he had his people in the in the office there. He's in the oval office with these other like you know business guys whatever. He's all like high-fiving and yucking it up with these guys. He's like, you made $6.5 billion today.
00:12:17
James
You made $500 million today. Oh, man, you how much did you make? And he's like, they're laughing in plain view, open view, laughing about how they did that.
00:12:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You have a link for a video of that?
00:12:27
James
Yeah. Here, let me look up real fast.
00:12:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah put it put it in the Notion.
00:12:30
James
Okay. Okay.
00:12:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i' want I'll include it.
00:12:33
James
okay
00:12:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:12:35
James
right, so you can go on the next thing. I'll look that up, then get it.
00:12:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, cool. um Okay, so let's see. So, yeah, I was listening to to Scott Galloway, and I really need to learn his co-host's name on MarketWatch.
00:12:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then they also had in Gary Stevenson, and they were talking about the tariffs. And one of the things that they said was that, like they were talking about ChatGPT, chad gp as like the source of the tariff strategy.
00:13:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And you can go and put in a prompt, you know, that's like, uh, make a tariff strategy based on trade deficits as the administration, something along those lines.
00:13:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And you can get this strategy. Like you get like the numbers back that are that perfectly match the, uh, the numbers that they did. And then if you go a step further and you say like, you know, like what should we do if the, uh,
00:13:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah if the economy starts to decline by by this much by like what if the economy goes down by 35 what should we do and it was like um it was like talk about like the pain in the short term but like focus on the long term talk about like you know proposals for things you're going to do to like you know take away some of the pain and like supplement but certain business sectors income and like
00:13:37
James
Thank you.
00:14:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
exactly all the things that they did basically. So, you know, maybe they didn't go to chat GPT and say, you know, give us the strategy to manipulate the market and then give us the spin to use after it goes poorly, but the prompts match.
00:14:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the kicker is like, they're not even good prompts. It's not even taking into account like a whole bunch of other things that you need to go listen to Scott Galloway ah talk about because they, um like I want to share the details, but I don't want to scoop it. So we'll have the the notes for that, but like they go into even more detail um on the chat GPT part.
00:14:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um And then like I have this this pet theory, um because as you know, guess we talked about with the Congress voting to have the rest of the session, the rest of the year long session count as one single day.
00:15:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so that the, um
00:15:04
James
Only as it relates to the emergency act, so they can't overturn the emergency.
00:15:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
right, so they can't overturn IEEPA. Yeah,
00:15:14
James
For the tariffs.
00:15:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah so like he's using he's using this, by invoking a national economic emergency under IEEPA, he can ah manipulate these tariffs, um but the Congress can call a vote
00:15:19
James
Emergency powers.
00:15:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and say, you know, we're not going to, like, no we're going to take away this power. There's not actually an emergency.
00:15:39
James
Yeah.
00:15:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And have to vote up or down on that, right?
00:15:39
James
Yeah. yeah
00:15:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And you have to have the vote within 15 days. They didn't want to have the vote, they said it would be one day. um But my theory is, like, this could be, like, a you know, light the house on fire so you can sell someone a bucket of water, where you let him screw around with the tariffs until a few months before the midterms.
00:16:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then you let Congress sweep in and say, oh, we're voting to stop the tariffs. Like the madness has to stop. We've got this under control. And then, you know, even things out and let everything get better and then let Congress, the Republicans take credit for it to try to help them in the midterms.
00:16:20
James
and yeah i i don't like I don't agree with that theory for a couple of reasons.
00:16:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
00:16:26
James
One reason is because and a party with an unpopular president, here's the thing. like Trump was an unpopular president, right? They stuck with him, right?
00:16:37
James
He was unpopular, they stuck with him, it helped them. Every time a party runs away from its it's it's a leader, its president, its nominee, right?
00:16:48
James
Every time the party runs away from their unpopular president, they do worse. It's tried and true for hundreds of years, right? If a if a president's unpopular, the own party, the the thing, did it's God, it's like so psychological, but people can never get this through their thick skulls, right?
00:16:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm.
00:17:08
James
like Like Biden. I swear, i still think Biden had a better shot at winning, right? He did. His party, he was unpopular, right?
00:17:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Ah, man.
00:17:18
James
But when did his poll numbers really start dropping? When all the people in his party saw, oh shit, oh shit, they panic and they start dunking on him. When they start dunking and they start turning away from their president, that's when his numbers really turn south.
00:17:31
James
The reason Trump doesn't have to worry about that, because his people, his his party, always sticks by him, right? And why do they always stick by him? Because it doesn't matter, and they've realized this finally, I mean,
00:17:45
James
Not saying finally like it's a good thing, but i mean they realize it doesn't matter what the country thinks of him. As long as their primary voters like him, and the primary voters are the ones who get to pick the nominee, they're not going to cross him.
00:17:59
James
It doesn't matter if he like he has. He's gone down like 40 points, man. For young people, people under 29 is polling. These morning consult polls came out. A couple weeks after the election, he was plus 11 for people like I said 29 to 35 or 18 to 29.
00:18:15
James
the 18 to 29 demographic, he was pop plus 11% on positive you know favorability over unfavorability.
00:18:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:18:22
James
He's now negative 30. He's lost 41% of that demo, right? Across the board, everybody, way, way down. Doesn't matter at all because he's still got 85% popular in the Republican Party.
00:18:35
James
And among the really fervent people who will vote in primaries, he's even just as high or higher. So they know if they turn on Donald Trump, doesn't matter if the whole country has gone down like 40 points underwater on them.
00:18:45
James
They will get primaried by some right-wing Trump-loving zealot. you know And they don't want to get they don't want to lose their primaries. Yeah.
00:18:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, I think the only reason, the only way that they would get like the pushback to that are two things. So first thing is ah on, on Biden and the Democrats turning on Biden.
00:19:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Part of the reason that they turned on Biden was because they were seeing poll numbers that were indicating that we were going to have a big loss in the house and the Senate.
00:19:17
James
They didn't start having that.
00:19:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, and we still, we still had a loss, but I,
00:19:20
James
They didn't have that until they kept dunking on him for like a month and a half.
00:19:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, they they started they started dunking on him.
00:19:24
James
That's when his phone number dropped. You can see it.
00:19:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like they Everyone was still saying, he's the nominee, he's the nominee, 100%. It's totally, he's the guy, whatever. And then they saw that their numbers were going down.
00:19:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the way that I heard it was that that was the the argument when it was, you know, whoever was in the room saying, hey, you gotta pass the baton, dude. That was the argument, was that.
00:19:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The down-ballot effects of him running again Like, yeah, okay, maybe you're going to win, but like, you're going to, it's going to do you no good because they're going to have this huge majority and they're going to just, you know, run us over.
00:20:01
James
Yes, but they kept doing those polls over and over and over again. They kept talking about it. They kept going, the story, what should he resign? Should he resign? Should he resign? And then people just kept talking about it. Democrats and some Democrats were talking bad about And then other ones weren't. then other people started say, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:20:17
James
they, they, if Yeah, I mean, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy, man. That's what it was.
00:20:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So the other the other thing is that there's a difference between, um i don't know, like the sort of like showmanship, you know, the the dramatization of of action by the Congress and like meaningful action.
00:20:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And, you know, allowing Congress to say, oh we're taking the reins and turning off the tariffs instead of...
00:20:47
James
Oh, like the Senate.
00:20:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
true
00:20:48
James
You're talking about the Senate then. The Senate vote.
00:20:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, like like if Trump was ready to to, if Trump is ready, like that could be the plan, you know, like I'm going to make the economy a shithole and then I'm going to let you guys sweep in to save the day so we can still win in the midterms and that, you know.
00:20:51
James
It meant nothing. It meant nothing.
00:21:01
James
even Yeah, The thing is, i man, he's already done so much damage. America is going to be paying for this for the next 20 years, at least.
00:21:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So that's the other thing is that even after he, excuse me, even after he announced like, oh, we're just going to do 10%
00:21:10
James
Because...
00:21:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
most of the countries for 90 days while it gives them a chance to do a deal. And then I'm going to like, just like go fucking crazy with China and do like a hundred percent, you know, just nonsense tariffs.
00:21:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um Like it didn't, it like it bounced up a little bit, but then like it went up like 7%, but then it closed um like down 3.6%.
00:21:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like the market is is reacting to the volatility more so than like, you know, whatever the current tariff amount is, you know, they're like, Oh, we don't trust you.
00:21:55
James
Yeah, exactly.
00:21:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And, and an investment requires trust deals.
00:21:56
James
Trust. And that's the number one thing. but Yeah.
00:22:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
are It's like the same thing as like trying to make a deal with Russia.
00:22:00
James
And.
00:22:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like there's no point making a deal with Russia because they're not going to fucking honor it. So like, what's the point of making, and Oh, he can come out and make the best deals, the art of the deal, yeah all, you know, he can, whatever, but like, no one's going to try to invest in America when they don't,
00:22:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
think he's going to honor it because he can just flip and change his mind the next day.
00:22:22
James
Yeah. And I actually want to put a link to this video here. I was watching another one podcast, like a guy I really like watching, Jake Bro on here. You know, got almost 600,000 subscribers. He's raised more money for Ukraine.
00:22:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, I want to watch that one.
00:22:34
James
oh my God. He is. He's been amazing for Ukraine, too. Right. He used to be a he used to be a like a stocks trader guy. You know, that's what he he used to talk about before the Ukrainian war. And man, he's been He's been so clutch for Ukraine too, by the way. you know Millions and millions and millions of dollars are in equipment stuff he's been raising.
00:22:53
James
awesome guy.
00:22:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's awesome.
00:22:55
James
awesome guy anyway This last video, say about 21, about the 21 minute mark. He talks about a lot of these people. There's this young 20 something year old girl who started her own business. She has like a little two minute. He shows her video, talk about how she's doing her own clothing line and things like that. She started trying to do the American dream, right?
00:23:12
James
She had, she, she bought $30,000 worth of fabrics and things like that from China, right? She already paid for it. $30,000. She paid for it. Her stuff has been on, you know, in, in transit for a couple of weeks now because it takes weeks to get here, you know?
00:23:26
James
And then he announces those big tariffs, now 145% tariff on China. right she doesn't have She doesn't have another $50,000, $60,000 that she will have to pay to Donald Trump on his tax to actually pick up her shipment that she already paid for because it hasn't arrived at a U.S.
00:23:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hang on.
00:23:46
James
port of entry yet. So now she has to just, and she doesn't money. She's like what am i supposed to do? i did everything here. I get this. I've been, you know, $30,000. I have all this fabric and everything coming here. is but so You know, and And she's like, what do I even do?
00:23:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
File bankruptcy.
00:23:58
James
but i cant And she's like, I can't even return it. She's like, how do we even return it? It would cost thousands and thousands of dollars in shipping to return it. see So she's like freaking out about what is she supposed to do? And there's other people. There's another guy who ah who an announced after the tariffs, right?
00:24:14
James
After he they he talked about all these big tariffs, the guy had a plant in like Vietnam something like that. And he announced he's going to open a plant. And then boom, he's like, all right, cool. They started or they they started making a ah ah factory in America he's talking about these tariffs what going to do.
00:24:27
James
And then he says, okay, no, pausing, not going to do this anymore. he's like, wow, thanks a lot, Donald Trump. That really sucked. I just now inked the deal and put a whole bunch of money into a factory in America. And now you're just telling me I just lost a whole shitload of money because now you're just calling off the tariffs. So mean, he's making people mad on both sides because there's no, there is no plan.
00:24:48
James
When we talked about, you said, like you said, you said you put the pause on it to work out a deal with these countries.
00:24:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, that's what but that that is the spin.
00:24:56
James
no but exactly but
00:24:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, that's not.
00:24:58
James
Exactly. But what would the deal be for? What kind of deal would get Madagascar? right Or the people of Cambodia?
00:25:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What about Singapore?
00:25:08
James
know or Or anybody? Singapore? okay
00:25:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Singapore, which had a zero, which had free trade with the United States and whose economy is too small to like they, they, they export more than like their, their economy is not large enough.
00:25:14
James
um and no um
00:25:17
James
Think about population. Exactly.
00:25:24
James
Exactly.
00:25:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
for them to buy more from us than the amount they're exporting to us
00:25:29
James
Yeah. And think about the think about Madagascar. okay They got, what is it, 28 million people? right 28 million people. We have 350 million people. okay
00:25:41
James
90% of their population is in poverty.
00:25:45
James
what could What kind of trade deal could we do with Madagascar that would not result in but that What kind of trade deal we could do, you know, where they would buy an equal amount of stuff from us that we would buy from them.
00:26:02
James
How are those 28 million people? I don't care what object it is. You know, there's only 28 million of them. There's 350 million of us. I mean, this is the kind of things that people have been saying that it's like, he's doing all this on a based on trade imbalances, which mean nothing.
00:26:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:16
James
They mean nothing. Trade imbalance doesn't matter. We can't grow bananas in coffee.
00:26:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The thing is too, is like the idea that like
00:26:25
James
They don't have Texas coffee. They don't have Texas coffee. for Florida.
00:26:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
the idea that like that Americans are going to do these jobs where they like get into a hazmat suit and like, you know, glue chips together or, or we're going to like, you know, we're going to manually screw in all the screws for an iPhone, or we're going to sew Nikes together.
00:26:30
James
yeah
00:26:38
James
Yeah. or Or work for a dollar an hour.
00:26:45
James
Yeah. You're talking about
00:26:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like,
00:26:48
James
were Children of Cambodia, right? Children of Cambodia who work, you know, 15 hours a day for a dollar an hour. Now, granted, hey, if the argument was we are going to tear up the fuck out of you because we are mad at those conditions, Cambodia, you can't do that to your people.
00:27:07
James
There's an argument to be made, right? But just say we're doing it because it's not fair.
00:27:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sure.
00:27:13
James
It's not fair that you don't buy our expensive stuff.
00:27:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You're taking advantage of us.
00:27:17
James
You guys are taking advantage of all you poor people who are slaving away 15 hours a day. and Your children are working 15 hours a day. You're living a hut. yeah You are being very unfair to us by not buying our, what, our Teslas?
00:27:33
James
I mean, what what's that kid, what's the family supposed to buy? You know i mean what mean?
00:27:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I read a story about the about the iPhone, about like Apple, who was talking about how for them to move.
00:27:38
James
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00:27:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like they have hundreds of factories making making products all over China. They have some in India. But for them to move 10% of their factories that are doing stuff, like because it's not just like the places that are physically manufacturing it.
00:27:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's also like the place where you're sourcing the materials from. Right. And so like, so then you have to switch to getting them at the whole product chain. Cause like it doesn't do you any good to like, to pay more, you know to import all of the materials for the iPhone and still pay a huge cost on it, a huge tariff, and then pay American workers to build it, which costs more. And then you're having to, you know, move the stuff back and forth a bunch.
00:28:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like the, like for Apple to move it, like they could move 10% of their supply chain over the course of like four years at a cost of like $34 trillion. dollars It's literally not worth it because then the iPhone was still just going to cost more.
00:28:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like the the amount they would save by avoiding the tariff and moving here is it, like the amount that it would, like the cost difference, right? It's cheaper to just move it to another different country that isn't China, like India,
00:29:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that, you know, somewhere that's going to you wait for the tariff dust to settle. And then you move, you know, your facilities, your supply chain over there to somewhere else. That's also in Asia, but just, it's a country that has a better tariff deal than China has.
00:29:13
James
Just go ahead.
00:29:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's the same thing with like, with like Nike, because it's like, even if you want to, to build those things here, the supply chain, you know, it's not just like dudes in the factory and and the stuff, the, the,
00:29:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
the parts of the iPhone, the materials magically appear, you know, you still have to get the stuff out of the ground and out of the trees and out of the whatever, and then refine it and then put it in the factory.
00:29:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like the whole supply chain is over there. So it's not even going to do us any good to like, to build factories when we still have to import all of the raw materials.
00:29:52
James
And even if you did build all the factories and they're not going to have people doing all that jobs, you're going to build a brand new factory to build an iPhone. You're going to have a factory with about four people in it.
00:30:05
James
Somebody making sure the machines are turned on. Somebody making sure machines are running well.
00:30:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
00:30:09
James
Somebody to make sure the computers are all maintained well. You're not hiring a team of 100 people who are going to work for dollars day.
00:30:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do we, do we talk about the, the, the Tesla factory and the GM factory last week?
00:30:24
James
I don't remember. I don't think so. but
00:30:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I had this whole, can't remember if talking to my wife or I talked about on the podcast, but basically I saw this video where I think it was like a perfect union video and they were talking about how, and they're showing footage.
00:30:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
of like a GM car factory in 1970. nineteen seventy s And they're showing the auto workers, they're making $19 an hour, which 2025 money is is equivalent to $77 an hour.
00:30:46
James
30 bucks an hour,
00:30:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. So they're making $19 an hour, 1970, 50 years ago.
00:30:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Fast forward to, and it's a whole bunch of guys. It's like, it's people in the factory. They're showing a video of them on the on the line.
00:31:02
James
right?
00:31:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Then they switch and they say, like okay, well, we still do some manufacturing in America. This is what it's like today.
00:31:09
James
Something.
00:31:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So what do people actually make, right? so So the wages are between $12 and $31 hour.
00:31:14
James
but
00:31:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and thirty one dollars an hour and the And the average than $77.
00:31:17
James
There you
00:31:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
twenty three dollars and sixty cents
00:31:24
James
go.
00:31:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
which case you're keeping up
00:31:26
James
Yeah. A third of what they used to
00:31:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
is a lot is is lot less than seventy seven Like in 50 years, the average wage has gone up by $4.60.
00:31:31
James
do.
00:31:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like obscene.
00:31:35
James
Yeah. And inflation's coming through the roof. yeah
00:31:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And if you look at like like a Tesla factory, it's all machines.
00:31:38
James
oh
00:31:42
James
What was the gas back
00:31:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like it is 100% machines building the car, right?
00:31:48
James
Thank you.
00:31:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So the idea that like the skilled jobs are going to come back and people are going to work in factories is just nonsense. And the other thing is like Americans don't want to do those jobs because Americans – are exporting things that have a really high margin. We're exporting financial services. We're exporting software.
00:32:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We're exporting social media. We're exporting, you know, consultation services. We're exporting iPhones and cars and different technologies.
00:32:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. And we're importing fucking bananas, you know,
00:32:27
James
that don't grow here. They don't grow here.
00:32:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that That don't grow here. and And avocados that don't grow here. It's just like like we're importing and we're importing like you know paper goods and t-shirts and like stuff that has like really thin margins.
00:32:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And that it only makes sense to like to make it at all when you can make it really cheaply.
00:32:53
James
Yeah.
00:32:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like there's no point in making a, making a t-shirt if it costs you $150 to make a single t-shirt. It's not worth, no one's going to, no one's paying $200 for a target t-shirt.
00:33:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They're barely paying, you know, 15 to $30 for a target t-shirt now.
00:33:14
James
By the way, when they were making $20 an hour, right?
00:33:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
00:33:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:33:19
James
and and Back in the 70s, just to give an idea, gas was 36 cents a gallon.
00:33:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Wow. Wow. 36 cents a gallon.
00:33:27
James
Yep. Yep. By the way, the price of gas was actually pretty freaking awesome right up until George W. Bush going back all the way from 1970. 1970 until 1999. 1999, was up to $1.18 gallon. until nineteen ninety nine from you know ninety ninety nine it was up to a dollar eighteen a gallon you know, last year of Clinton.
00:33:45
James
But all the way from, mean, from 89 99. Gas went from $1 a gallon in 89 to $1.18 in 99. Yeah, know. Yeah. Yeah. a dollar eighteen and ninety nine
00:33:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but I think the price of gas going up is actually a good thing to get us away from oil.
00:33:56
James
yeah
00:34:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and book Okay, before we get too sidetracked, I want to just go back a little bit to the IEPA because by invoking a national economic emergency under that, Trump can now deploy the military domestically, suspend labor laws, freeze finances, and
00:34:02
James
yeah
00:34:11
James
say yeah
00:34:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
expand warrantless searches, control domestic radio, social media, and broadcast networks.
00:34:25
James
Huh?
00:34:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. Like it's not just about the tariffs, calling it an um an economic emergency into the IEPA gives him a whole bunch of like expanded powers.
00:34:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And when you talk about social media, you know, you got to think about um Mark Zuckerberg. And I think, yesterday meow like i forgot to even put this on the list because i haven't really looked into the story like i heard it was going to happen but didn't i haven't looked into it yet but the god she was like the the chief for like global strategy she was an executive at meta um and she put out a book really recently it's like all my stuff to read list um but she was testifying before the house judiciary committee about meta
00:35:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um ah basically selling out the u.s to china so like that happened yesterday i haven't i still haven't it's been too much other stuff in the news for me to get to that uh but yeah like you know despite cozying up to trump he's still getting hauled into congress you know they're still going after social media
00:35:44
James
Yeah, and they're going after anybody. like You saw the thing with Christopher Cribbs and ah Miles Taylor, right? He did an executive order.
00:35:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah
00:35:53
James
An executive order. Two parts of this executive order. One is, you know, directing the Justice Department to open investigations and go after them, right?
00:36:05
James
And he went on to say it's like treason and everything else because, you know, Miles Taylor wrote a book and Christopher Cribbs said that that election was most secure in us history
00:36:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Remind me who who are they? What do they what do they do
00:36:19
James
miles taylor was a deputy chief of staff or something hold on second i'll tell you miles taylor trump admin he was anonymous remember anonymous the op-ed anonymous name of the book ah you know talk about we are the resistance you know uh miles taylor yeah uh
00:36:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, I didn't know. and did i heard his name and like that Trump was going after him, but i didn't look into that story. So I didn't see the details.
00:36:42
James
Yeah. So he was the chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security. So when they had insider people trying to stop the kids in cages stuff and other horrible things they were doing, you know, he was one of the people who was, you know, a whistleblower, you know.
00:36:56
James
Hey, guys, we're trying to stop some of this stuff. You know what I mean? And looking anyway, yeah, so we made a ah couple executive orders. One going after him and one going after Chris Krebs. I mean, this is actually kind of funny, too, because I'll get that in a second.
00:37:10
James
But yeah, he's basically saying he's ordering the Justice Department to go after these people, right? ah To investigate any malign acts he participated in, right? Like this is for Christopher Krebs, who is in charge of the, ah they call it size ah Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency.
00:37:27
James
which by the way is the same agency that he already directed to this stop anything about Russia. Stop doing any defensive actions against Russia.
00:37:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:37:36
James
Stop doing anything like that.
00:37:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Stop planning any counterattacks.
00:37:37
James
pardon Yeah, stop playing counteract, stop playing defense.
00:37:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I think they actually just like like disbanded the group, right?
00:37:41
James
Russia's off the table. Yeah.
00:37:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Didn't Hex have just like completely
00:37:46
James
Well, ah no, I don't think they disbanded the whole thing, but I don't know. I know they stopped anything about Russia. but But also part of the executive order also says to go into everything that the cybersecurity infrastructure so security agency did within the last six years.
00:38:03
James
Right. Not just when Krebs is there. Right. By the way, Krebs is a Trump appointee, you know, but he's really mad that, you know, he said it was so secure. But he also part of those orders says they need to investigate all of the actions taken by that, you know, by the agency of the last six years.
00:38:18
James
The conspiracy theorist in me. is they want to know what they were doing to stop interference in the elections so they know what to make Russia aware of to help them the next time.
00:38:29
James
That's what I think. That's just conspiracy theory talk. But I think it tracks. But it also tells everybody in the current administration, don't you dare think about, you know, speaking out or being a whistleblower or anything like that. Otherwise, we are going to sick our Justice Department on you.
00:38:45
James
Look, we're making a big public show about it. And you are going to to pony up a shitload of money for your own lawyer to defend yourself. You know?
00:38:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, then on the topic of lawyers, they're also leaning on on lawyers and law firms that help people.
00:38:56
James
Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Nicole.
00:38:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So they're making it harder for people to have a defense by making it harder for them to get a reputable lawyer.
00:39:02
James
Mm-hmm.
00:39:05
James
Yes.
00:39:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And this is the free speech president. And this is at the same time that they're also taking away student visas from people for protesting.
00:39:12
James
Yeah.
00:39:15
James
Yeah. And the other thing, here's the other... funny and horrible things about it too um part of the other thing with christopher krebs is he also in in miles daily they revoked all their security clearances right and also the companies they work at and anything affects them christopher krebs now runs uh sentinel one it's a really really huge like internet security company you know um I think it's public information. I don't think it's any kind of a secret, you know.
00:39:46
James
I mean, just to give you an idea of some of their clients, McDonald's, you know. Everybody, there's a McDonald's, you know, and at, and you know, government places, you know what
00:39:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
00:39:59
James
Oh, they can't operate there anymore. no that They can't have the software. with It affects so much stuff downstream because it also removes all these other clients. It comes down. it goes way bigger than one person, right?
00:40:10
James
It's to threaten companies, to threaten the firms. Like you said, the lawyers, the lawyers, the firms that have these people. And you saw how they were going after the big law firm. Jerry talked about that. Like the other ones, remember those, ah some of those wall law firms, Weiss, right?
00:40:25
James
that Law firm Weiss, you know, they were famous because, you know, one of their lawyers was, ah was it Weiserberg?
00:40:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
00:40:34
James
Can't remember who it was. One of the lawyers who were, you know, going after Trump, you know, in the Justice Department now works there. And so Trump decided to try to do a shakedown, threaten a stupid, frivolous lawsuit.
00:40:49
James
But this law firm wants to get on the good graces of him. So they don't come after us. Hey, we'll do some pro bono work. wellll Hey, sorry, man. Hey, it's all good. We love you, Trump. Right. And he got them to agree to $40 million dollars in pro bono services from this from this thing the the deal is instead of you know trumping mean to them they'll do free work on his behalf to promote the interests of the trump administration and so now this big huge law firm weiss rifkin wharton and garrison they are now going to be doing their pro bono work is to help the coal industry you know and go against yes yeah it's it's going to help them it's it they're going to help um
00:41:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Wow.
00:41:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's right. That's right.
00:41:33
James
coal industry you know to go up against EPA rules and try to you know do pro bono work.
00:41:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What EPA rules? They got rid of like 2,500 fucking regulations. They were just like, lead in the water, child labor, get out of here, you crazy clowns.
00:41:44
James
Yeah. you
00:41:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, we're gonna let the
00:41:46
James
Exactly.
00:41:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Put the kids into work. Put the lead in the water. Give it to the kids as they go into the mines.
00:41:51
James
Yeah. Yeah, they want to they want to use them to so try to get leased deals and everything else and...
00:41:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
God.
00:42:00
James
For a dying near-dead industry that should just be gone, you know? Anyway, that's just one example. But yeah, turn people who would say anything about you or, you know, represent anybody who says anything bad about you and squash dissent, you know?
00:42:18
James
Anyway, we can move on.
00:42:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So this, this kind of dovetails us into, um, well, we could dovetail into a bunch of things, but let's dovetail into this, uh, SCOTUS decision.
00:42:20
James
But yeah.
00:42:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So on the tangentially related to taking away people's rights, you know, we took this, uh, guy who lives in Maryland on a protected status and, um, deported him to CSAT in El Salvador.
00:42:37
James
yeah Yeah.
00:42:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just to recap his thing a little bit more, he was um he has he's married to he's been here for 15 years. He came to the US seeking asylum because in Venezuela, where he was from, the gangs were trying to extort his parents by threatening to kill him.
00:43:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So he came here to get away from the gang violence. um He's married to a United States citizen and they have a child who has autism and he had a protected status, like a current legal status where he couldn't be deported.
00:43:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He was going to all of his court dates and like 75% of the Venezuelans that we've sent to CSAT, he has no criminal record. So 75% the supposed MS-13 gang members have no criminal record.
00:43:37
James
criminal record.
00:43:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so seventy five percent of the supposed ms thirteen gang members
00:43:42
James
Gabe.
00:43:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
have no criminal records Not only do they have no criminal record, but like the idea, the whole idea of due process is that, is that, is that if you, if you want to say this guy is an MS 13 gang member, he's here on this status, but you know, he's, he's doing bad stuff to America.
00:43:55
James
It's an inconvenience. It is an inconvenience.
00:44:03
James
He gets defend himself.
00:44:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So we need to get him out of here. You take him to court and you prove that to a judge or a jury or both, right? Like, That is the purpose of due process. That's the thing that's in the Constitution, not once but twice.
00:44:18
James
It's an inconvenience.
00:44:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So anyways, lower court gave the government and seven days to return him.
00:44:20
James
It's inconvenience.
00:44:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The case went to the Supreme Court. And um well, notably in between that, Pam Bondi said, look, he's a criminal, he'll be in jail there or he'll be in jail when he he'll be in and a detention center in the US.
00:44:37
James
you. ah yeah
00:44:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So it doesn't really matter where he goes, but we're not bringing him back. And then it went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court a few days ago issued a temporary stay that said, well, the lower court judge doesn't have jurisdiction over El Salvador.
00:44:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So he can't reasonably compel the government
00:44:58
James
That's not what they said. That's not what did they said. That's not what they said. They said...
00:45:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that so that that's the that's That was the argument that the Trump people were saying.
00:45:03
James
oh That was the argument that Trump people were making. Supreme Court, it sounded really shitty at first, and Fox News was spitting as a win. what ah What they said is they gave a they gave a stay against having to bring the guy back within the week, you know without having to bring him back immediately.
00:45:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:45:22
James
They said that the judge... right ah they said that They said what they said is it was it shouldn't have been filed under an administrative, federal administrative procedure a case.
00:45:34
James
It should have been brought under a habeas corpus petition, right, for due process.
00:45:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
00:45:40
James
That's what they said. And they said, hey, it's under it's ah it should have been a habeas petition, right? And that's what they went five four Now, five people said it for the stay, four people said, no, they shouldn't even have stay, they should it back.
00:45:55
James
But like they said, and this is the good news about this, the thing, a they said they immediately made it. So like they knew the case would come right back to them again within a couple of days. Right.
00:46:05
James
The other thing is all nine justices said, you have to give somebody due process. You have to, you know, there is no just whisking them away and taking people to another country.
00:46:18
James
All nine agreed on that. They said, They had to have due process rights. They had to have a hearing. They had to have a judge and everything before you could send them over there. So that's the good part. The other good part about it is, well, there's good and bad, but the other good part is, they said, for these people who are already, they said one thing is this. They said, if you make a habeas petition, you have to do it.
00:46:40
James
You have to file your your petition in the state where you were detained, which is kind of murky because they took people from different places And then they detained them in Texas, right? Because Texas is known for their left-w wing left-wing activist judges, right?
00:46:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this is
00:46:59
James
Right. So kind of like a shitty thing.
00:47:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Right.
00:47:01
James
They would have to make a petition in Texas, right? A lot of them would.
00:47:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:47:05
James
um But for all the people who are currently in SECOT who didn't get their due process, there is no... They're being detained in El Salvador, which is not under the jurisdiction of the U.S., right? Right.
00:47:20
James
So where do they make that petition?
00:47:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:47:23
James
They have to make the petition in in D.C. court, D.C. federal court. That's where it all goes. If something happens and you're not in a place, it at you know, that's where they have to do it, which means when those people make their new cases, it'll be right back for Judge Boesberg, who is the one who originally ordered them to return him immediately.
00:47:40
James
So they're going to end up having a second round at the same judge who already said they had to come back to the first time. You'll definitely tell them they have to come back the second time on some habeas petitions. So there is some good news.
00:47:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but But I also, I thought that they today said, ruled today
00:47:57
James
Today on the one guy.
00:47:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and said
00:47:58
James
Today on the one guy.
00:47:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, on the one hand, they said that they have that they have to return him.
00:48:01
James
Yes.
00:48:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So the state was a few days ago, but today they they came back to it and said that the that the government must facilitate the return.
00:48:03
James
a Yes.
00:48:09
James
Yes. And there's a lot of petitions being made in D.C. court now for everybody else. For a lot of the other people. Not everybody because a lot of people don't even know their loved ones were scooped up and just disappeared.
00:48:20
James
Which really, really is should be more terrifying. I cannot believe. i get why it's not a bigger story. Because there's so many little nuclear bombs going off everywhere. you know But this really needs to be the bigger case.
00:48:33
James
I'm so mad that this isn't bigger.
00:48:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, I've seen so many stories like related to this like deportation stuff about like kids, like third graders being put in handcuffs and detained with adults.
00:48:34
James
Mm-hmm.
00:48:41
James
Mm-hmm.
00:48:44
James
Yeah.
00:48:48
James
Yeah.
00:48:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Not their parents, but just like other adults who they're also detaining.
00:48:52
James
one
00:48:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Or like ICE trying to like break into someone's house. like They're just going door to door, just like trying to break into houses to
00:48:57
James
or school
00:49:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
see if there's anybody in there who they can scoop up.
00:49:05
James
And what's even worse about these ICE raids, what they're doing, a they're plain clothes, right? They're not wearing, not always, but lots of times, so these people are in plain clothes with masks.
00:49:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Not always. Not always. Lots of times. with her With masks. Like hiding their face.
00:49:20
James
They're not...
00:49:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:49:21
James
They're not identifying themselves or showing any kind of ID. And there's another thing, too. If they do this on a standard ground case, people have already won these cases when the police have come in there and and they like blown away federal agents for not identifying themselves like the door trying break in the door.
00:49:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:49:38
James
That's justified. They are allowed to shoot them and kill them. It's a stand-your-ground place. They did not identify themselves. How are you supposed to know if it's a federal agent or somebody burlar you know trying to ah break into your house?
00:49:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
00:49:49
James
There's no way for you to know. And therefore, it is legal in a lot of states to blow these motherfuckers away. so if they're going to act like you know Russian secret search like you know ah secret police rounding people up just wearing masks and throwing you in a van, people have the right in some states to kill them.
00:50:04
James
I'm not advocating it, just saying it's fact.
00:50:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
fuck around and find out.
00:50:10
James
Yeah. Yeah. ah but yeah But yeah, no, you're going write plan second amendment, man.
00:50:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Know your, know your, know your gun rights in your state.
00:50:17
James
um but I was never a second amendment guy until this administration, but you know.
00:50:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, that's when that's when it that's when it matters.
00:50:23
James
good
00:50:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's what it's there for.
00:50:26
James
Oh, man. Can you just imagine that? I mean, everybody who needs a really sit here and just really think, just close your eyes and think about that. You're coming out of church or you're about to go into court.
00:50:37
James
Or you're you're going you're taking your kid to school, right?
00:50:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
going to the DMV.
00:50:41
James
or v And a van pulls up and some fucking people out there with jeans and some fucking shirt and a mask on their face try and grab you and zip tie your hands and throw you in a van. What do you think is happening?
00:50:53
James
You know? They don't say anything.
00:50:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:50:55
James
They don't tell you where you're going. They don't answer any questions. They don't show any ID. And that's legal? No. That's what they're doing.
00:51:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
00:51:03
James
You know?
00:51:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
00:51:05
James
Yeah.
00:51:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then like, uh,
00:51:07
James
And people get mad when we compare them to Nazis. I mean.
00:51:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then like, it's not just that they're doing that, but then like the next day, like you're in a, you're in holding cell, but the next day you're on a plane to fucking Texas, you know?
00:51:12
James
The Nazis were obvious about it.
00:51:20
James
And then the day after that. You're fucking going to. Like a torture gulag. A gulag. You're going to a fucking gulag in another country. And then the government says. yeah Well. Can't do anything about it.
00:51:32
James
They're not here anymore. They're in another country.
00:51:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then, and then, so like on the, on the topic of like people coming here legally. So there's this, CBP app that hold on.
00:51:44
James
Which, by the way, so we don't have dead air, too. Oh, my God. People need remember, think it just needs to be said, seeking asylum is not a crime. It is not illegal.
00:51:55
James
Somebody coming to our country to request asylum is allowed. They've just made it illegal. They just said, no. You come here to request asylum?
00:52:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:52:04
James
Nope, we're rounding you up. We're putting you in zip ties, and who the fuck knows where you're going to end up.
00:52:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:52:11
James
Okay.
00:52:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But like the, so the, the CBP app was like ah a Biden era, uh, program put in that allowed, I think 900,000 people to come in, um since January of 2023.
00:52:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like from a, from a whole bunch of different countries, um, South American countries, like people from Ukraine, whole bunch places. Um,
00:52:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the idea was that like this app was going to facilitate this program where you would like set up your meetings for things. You would have a ah work status. and It was all going to be like your community. You would be facilitated through the government via this app, this program.
00:52:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they revoked all of those people. Like they sent out emails saying like, yeah, OK, time's up. You got to go like you should self-deport.
00:53:03
James
Yeah. Anyway.
00:53:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. So I'll attach this, but there's just a nice video also of like what it's like inside of a children's, you know, jail, migrant detention facility.
00:53:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But it's just, it's a bunch of kids. It's like a massive room full of kids all wearing
00:53:32
James
Yeah, with a little Mylar. It's kids in cages. It's kids in cages again.
00:53:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, just, I mean, it's it's it's horrible.
00:53:41
James
It's actually, it's actually, is actually way worse than the conditions of the people, the players on Squid Game. It is ten times worse than than what they had. They
00:53:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they actually had they had beds.
00:53:54
James
actually had beds. These kids do not. These kids have a floor.
00:53:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:53:58
James
They had a place to sit and rest. You know, these kids have the floor.
00:54:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I have a floor.
00:54:04
James
They have a floor and they have a plexiglass walls that serve.
00:54:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then they have these, like... those
00:54:08
James
So like, it's kind of like they're like like a kid, like a pet at a pet shop. Only they're cramming in there.
00:54:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like super bright lights.
00:54:13
James
Yeah. All the time. Yeah.
00:54:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. And a lot of them are in there, you know, maybe their English isn't so good. Maybe they're young. Maybe they have, you know, mental health issues or disabilities.
00:54:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's just, it's, it's horrendous.
00:54:34
James
Yeah. And, um, yeah, i mean, and, uh, yeah. And just think about, and if you want to think about anything else too, remember this also was rampant the first time around, right?
00:54:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:54:48
James
Back in like 2019, 2018, you know, just remember how many of those kids were sexually abused by those people, you know what mean? Where they were being detained happened thousands of them, thousands and thousands of children,
00:55:04
James
abused because, you know, when you give somebody the authority to act like a, you know, these people have no rights. You treat them like animals. You do whatever they want.
00:55:14
James
People can do whatever they want. They abuse them. They do whatever, you know, what they act that. And you're inviting people who like that kind of behavior to be able to have that power over somebody else, you know, and they're bringing these kids in there and these kids, they're kids, man.
00:55:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:55:29
James
What are they going to
00:55:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this At the same time in the video that I'm going to, I'm going link, there's a, there's an agent who's like, he's like, dude, this is horrible.
00:55:30
James
You know,
00:55:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm a dad. Like, he's the guy who works there. He's like, I'm a dad.
00:55:39
James
Yeah.
00:55:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I have kids. Like, I don't want to see all these kids in here. This is, this is awful. Like, he's like, talk like, like the guard is like, this is fucked up, you know?
00:55:44
James
Yeah.
00:55:49
James
Yeah.
00:55:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then, um, so this actually dovetails perfectly. so
00:55:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's not enough to like make seeking asylum or coming here through a previously legal means.
00:55:58
James
yeah
00:56:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But like now we took that away. So like now you're illegal if you stay or like, you know, you have to or we're going to try to deport you. It's not enough to do that. Because Trump also wants to send U.S. citizens to foreign prisons.
00:56:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He wants to deport people who are American, who are just only from america like Americans from America
00:56:17
James
Yeah.
00:56:24
James
Yeah.
00:56:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
with so not visas or green cards, but just like full, I was born here.
00:56:27
James
Yeah. first and It starts as all us.
00:56:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm a citizen. He wants to deport them, which is super unconstitutional because where the fuck do you deport them to?
00:56:32
James
and starts the same way it starts the same with politics Exactly. And he starts with it the same way he started everything else. Like you talk about like, Oh, maybe it'd be great if I could have a third term. Hey, maybe I should have a third term. Yuck, yuck.
00:56:44
James
Really pretty funny. Hey, I was cheated the last time. I should have another term. They should give me another term. If it's, I know it's not really possible. I know it's not really custom. A lot of people want me to do it. And then the, the little comment becomes a little joke, become something else they come back to becomes people's trying to actually propose a stupid law or something.
00:57:02
James
And you know, he's going do
00:57:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But honestly, like I hate to fucking dance because like we all know that like as soon as he says some some dumb little ha-ha thing, that's what he's trying to do.
00:57:05
James
Yes. what he's going to do.
00:57:10
James
Later on, it's going to be what going to do. Exactly.
00:57:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:57:13
James
He tests the waters, sees what people say, see if people are really outraged by it or just kind of laugh it off. If he doesn't get shut down on something immediately, going to go a little further. go a little further.
00:57:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, you know, this is the this is the the...
00:57:23
James
This is the playbook. The authoritarian playbook.
00:57:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, I heard this is like the a Trump thing. so like I heard this a while ago.
00:57:30
James
It's the authoritarian playbook.
00:57:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i can't i can't attribute the credit for this.
00:57:31
James
He's learned it. Yeah.
00:57:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But it's like the grab-them-by-the-pussy leadership style, you know? Where it's like, you know, in the in the tape, he's like, oh, I moved on her like a bitch, blah, blah, blah. Took her furniture shopping.
00:57:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um this is the It's the same theory of governance, you know? Like, you see it everywhere in everything that he does. It's like the, ah I will...
00:57:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'll talk about like, oh, sure. would be funny if I slept with my daughter.
00:57:59
James
Greenland.
00:58:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, wouldn't it be nice if we own Greenland? Ha ha.
00:58:04
James
And then Greenland and Greenland, then J.D.
00:58:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, it's.
00:58:06
James
Vance there, and then it's like, you know, you're going move on Greenland like a bitch.
00:58:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Exactly. Now he's going to move on Greenland like a bitch.
00:58:11
James
What?
00:58:14
James
So.
00:58:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and Denmark is going to be like NATO. What the fuck?
00:58:18
James
Yeah. and move on American citizens like a bitch.
00:58:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:58:22
James
hello you're you're Miles Taylor, you wrote a book that was bad, and that was mean to me, I'm going to order my Justice Department to go go after you.
00:58:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
just
00:58:31
James
Oh, you were starting you and like like like protesters. All the people there know that the DHS is rounding up or trying to deport or not allowing it to the country. Well, he was part of an illegal protest.
00:58:42
James
It was a protest. It was illegal. He was supporting Hamas. He was a pro-Palestinian person. They they didn't do anything. It was an illegal protest.
00:58:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:58:51
James
We need to put them in a camp. you know We need to do the same thing.
00:58:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:58:54
James
It's and always a little... just keeps escalating, keep doesn't see what you can get away with. Oh, you can get away with this. That's why they took it as a big win. The first day when the Supreme court said, Hey, it should have been a habeas petition.
00:59:06
James
You know, like, Oh, Supreme court said they don't, we don't have to return them. mean, three days later they did, but whatever. Initially they're like, yep.
00:59:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean,
00:59:14
James
See, we, they totally exonerated. They know that Trump has the, you know, the authority to do this. And then they started rounding up more people to try to and send more people out of the country in the little window of time. They had to do it.
00:59:26
James
You know,
00:59:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, today it's a camp, tomorrow it's an oven.
00:59:30
James
um Yeah. Yeah, the Nazis, by the way, the Nazis did not start.
00:59:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. That's how it started
00:59:35
James
They started by just rounding people and putting them camps, and they weren't.
00:59:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
they started.
00:59:38
James
and sunwriing and somebody Yeah.
00:59:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
by deporting They started by deporting immigrants. They were deportation centers.
00:59:41
James
yeah Yeah, exactly.
00:59:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
00:59:44
James
Same thing. Started the exact same way.
00:59:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and then And then they went after
00:59:49
James
First you dehumanize them, call them names.
00:59:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah then they then they went after the homeless and the mentally handicapped.
00:59:56
James
Yeah.
00:59:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then they went after political opponents and dissidents and then they went after the Jews and then they started killing people but the I think you brought this up like we talked about this a while ago but like they they kept the they kept the political opposition alive until they like lost the war and then they killed them but they kept them alive in and the concentration camps for like years and they killed them right before they would have been free just
01:00:03
James
Yeah.
01:00:09
James
Yeah.
01:00:20
James
um
01:00:26
James
know
01:00:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
01:00:28
James
Either way, man, I don't get why everybody isn't acting. Millions, millions of people.
01:00:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so But on the topic of like people acting, we did see the hands-off protests, over 1,200 protests across all 50 states or even some internationally.
01:00:37
James
Yeah.
01:00:43
James
yeah
01:00:45
James
millions millions of people
01:00:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Millions of people. It's like we've been saying.
01:00:48
James
yeah
01:00:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like I do love to see the pieces of the playbook. like a few episodes ago, and we had like what the Democrats need to do.
01:00:56
James
The first or second one, yeah. The first or second. the second episode, I think. I said it. was like, hey, dudevisible Indivisible. Remember Indivisible? Y'all forgot about Indivisible? They were huge back in 2018, 2019. That's who organized most of this.
01:01:08
James
Indivisible groups.
01:01:11
James
Yeah.
01:01:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah and then the other thing is like Democrats are focusing on social media they're doing in-person events in like Republican areas yeah I just wish I liked Cory Booker more like I like what he's doing but like
01:01:18
James
Mm-hmm.
01:01:24
James
Cory Booker finally broke Strom Thurmond's record for the longest filibuster. Longest, I'm talking.
01:01:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
him, the politician, I don't and't really like.
01:01:39
James
Why not? I don't
01:01:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um
01:01:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, the only thing that I have against him is that he...
01:01:44
James
know. I still...
01:01:48
James
Sounds too prepared sometimes, like too, like he's trying to force it sometimes to make a, I really want to sound inspirational.
01:01:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
oh No, no, no, not that at all.
01:01:54
James
No?
01:01:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Actually, i think he's and think he's a really good speaker. like i and i like I like the tone he hits, but it's just like, it's the way he supports Big Bunny and Netanyahu.
01:01:57
James
Okay.
01:02:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's very corporatist.
01:02:07
James
no
01:02:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's got lots ah lots of corporate corporate money.
01:02:10
James
Well.
01:02:14
James
Well.
01:02:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:02:16
James
Alright. Well.
01:02:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's too Hillary for me.
01:02:23
James
Okay. yeah
01:02:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:02:27
James
Alright, I but wasn't expecting that, but okay.
01:02:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:02:31
James
Alright, well, either way. Yeah, he know he but he now long is the longest filibuster, the longest talking standing talking filibuster, so it's good. At least his final no longer Strom Thurmond.
01:02:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, no, that was...
01:02:40
James
It's fucking horrible.
01:02:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That was great, because they were he was like...
01:02:41
James
25 hours.
01:02:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he was like, you know, people are saying... you got to and We want you to see you do more. And it's like, well, politically, our hands are tied, but like this is a thing that we can do.
01:02:47
James
Mm-hmm.
01:02:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I think that's the sort of thing they need to do. like You need to be... Every opportunity to impede...
01:02:59
James
immediate. Yeah. yeah
01:03:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know ah every Every way that you can be a thorn in the and their side, ah gear in the ointment, you know, whatever... Every way that you can be in the way, even if it's like temporary and ineffective, it adds up.
01:03:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then the other thing is that he, because he had to talk for so long, he was, he solicited stories from, from people in his district and he was sharing a lot of the stories of constituents.
01:03:33
James
yeah
01:03:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So that is his state, but like, yeah, so.
01:03:37
James
Now, you know what I would have liked to have seen? Because, I mean, technically, they say technically it wasn't filibuster because he wasn't trying to stop a vote.
01:03:48
James
You know I mean He was trying to jam up the the whole, just jam him up for a day or two. what mean? But they weren't, like, scheduling a vote or something like that, right? But it did keep them from being able to vote on some stuff.
01:03:59
James
but Why don't they just fucking take turns, man? You got 40 something Democrats in there.
01:04:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, I don't understand that either.
01:04:05
James
What? Every one of them just keep doing it. Just keep. Okay. Can I actually point in order?
01:04:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Everybody just take a shift.
01:04:09
James
Can I, can I ask a question? And then boom. And the next one takes a shift every day. Once every 40 something days, a different person just speaks for the day and you could jam them up for the whole fucking term, man.
01:04:24
James
ah Why not, man? You would need a cloture vote, make it a real filibuster and completely just shut down the Senate, period.
01:04:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, well, you could use all... Mm-hmm.
01:04:34
James
For the remainder of Trump's term, they couldn't do anything. They would not get any judges in there because you can't do recess appointments to the federal judges. Right. Now you you can't do a recess appointment and get people cabinet position things. You can't do recess appointments on there because they're not in recess.
01:04:50
James
They're talking right now. you know what You could really jam them up. I don't see why they don't do a talking filibuster and just fucking keep it going for two years. You know, do it.
01:04:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know either. I don't know either, but I mean, yeah, 50 people, you know, six hour shifts.
01:05:03
James
I think great.
01:05:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's only four people a day.
01:05:05
James
Exactly. mean, can you imagine it and know what they, all they have to do? They can just be talking about how what Donald Trump is doing by executive order. not even You're not even doing anything. What are the Democrats doing? They're just spending the whole time talking about what Trump is doing by executive order, something they have no control over anyway.
01:05:23
James
Right? So there you go. You're not blocking being in opposition, just stopping his agenda. You're just going to spend the whole time talking about what Trump is doing. You know? you know Maybe in the process you do stop the SAVE Act, or you can stop other things from happening. You know what mean?
01:05:39
James
maybe
01:05:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, i don't I don't know why they don't, honestly.
01:05:41
James
oh
01:05:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I think they should.
01:05:43
James
By the way.
01:05:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And even like even if you got like you know like five or six people, you could you could still like go on for like for a long time just splitting ships between five or six people.
01:05:44
James
yeah
01:05:48
James
can go wrong. Yeah.
01:05:54
James
Yep. oh oh I know we didn't talk about this, but I wish they would have ah talked about the other stupid, the big, beautiful bill. Right. Right.
01:06:08
James
that the House passed another budget bill, right? That and that includes $5 trillion dollars in tax cuts to the rich, right?
01:06:19
James
It adds another... Well, no, no. Well, about $5 trillion, it would add $5.7 trillion dollars to the U.S.
01:06:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, that's what i'm hearing.
01:06:28
James
debt, you know, which is right now, like I said, over $36 trillion, you know what mean?
01:06:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm. thats your remember
01:06:34
James
um But there was more to it. um
01:06:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, there were some holdouts in the House who said, like, you're going to have to cut more. So there were actually eight people who initially voted against it. And then Johnson said, oh, we're going to come back tomorrow. ah We're going to stop the vote We're going to come back tomorrow. um
01:06:50
James
and
01:06:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then it was only, was it like two or three people voted against it? So they ended up passing it by two.
01:06:59
James
Yeah, yeah, 216 to 214.
01:06:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like there were, I think it was two people.
01:07:00
James
Yeah, 216 to 214. Yeah. But the funny thing is,
01:07:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, i think there was two people still voted against it. So it was like Indiana and somewhere else, somebody voted against it.
01:07:04
James
yeah
01:07:06
James
but the funny thing is The funny thing is, it's kind of like have how they did the the the remainder of the Congress is one calendar day as it pertains to the IEEA, whatever you know, right? so The same way, what they did as they said that $5 trillion dollars in tax cuts, it's it's almost like it's like Bush math on the Iraq war.
01:07:31
James
They just aren't going to count it. It doesn't count. It just doesn't count. So they're not going to put it on the ledger of our books that they did that.
01:07:43
James
They just said, no, that's already there. They just spent, yeah, they're just spending $5 trillion dollars and saying, we didn't spend $5 trillion.
01:07:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What?
01:07:50
James
are you talking about? What are
01:07:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And this is it like many more trillions of dollars, ah but it's like over 30 years or something like that, or it's over 10 years.
01:07:56
James
What
01:07:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like 30 trillion, it's like 30 trillion over 10 years or.
01:08:01
James
are you about?
01:08:05
James
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly how much that was. But me yeah, I mean, it's it's five trillion, you know, a year in tax cuts. I mean, if you went 10 years, I think it'd be 50 trillion. Now they said they're going to reduce the spending by 200 billion dollars a year. So I guess over 10 years, that would be two trillion dollars. So it comes down a little bit, I guess.
01:08:26
James
They didn't say it's a minimum, a minimum of 200 billion, a minimum. That's just a starting point or two billion. Was it two billion, 200 billion? What is it? Let me read. It's 4 billion.
01:08:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But then like the the thing is like they were saying like, oh, you're not, you're not 4
01:08:37
James
Sorry, I was wrong. It's 4 billion. 4 billion a year in spending cuts.
01:08:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
billion a year in spending cuts.
01:08:44
James
But a 5 trillion tax cut. But they don't count that because that's, you know, we we got used to it.
01:08:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, that's why you had a few Republicans, eight of them who were like, yeah, you're not cutting enough. You want to give away 5 trillion fine, but you're going to have to cut more shit. And they were like, and they were like, don't worry, we'll cut more stuff in the Senate.
01:09:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But then the Senate is like, dude, we're not cutting, we're not cutting Medicaid and Medicare and social security because we're not trying to get crucified. But there's like, there's nothing else to cut guys. Like,
01:09:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like the easiest salute, like you're like trying to squeeze water from a stone when like, you have like a giant water bottle right there that like of rich people, you could just like pour yourself a glass.
01:09:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like it's so ridiculous. Like, why don't we just tax the corporations and tax wealth?
01:09:45
James
Yeah.
01:09:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like you can pay down the debt and fund all the social services.
01:09:46
James
I'll just remember
01:09:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like, yeah, you should be, you should make sure that things are more efficient and we can do things better and blah, blah, blah. Absolutely. But like, if that's your thing, if you're like, let's like be more efficient and spend less money on the government, then why is it that they're rolling back the um ability for Medicare to negotiate the price of drugs?
01:10:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Why is it that they're rolling back the caps on the price of insulin? If they're trying to be more efficient, why are you making it so the government has to spend more money on drugs when we already made it so we could spend less?
01:10:25
James
and yeah And also about efficiency. right i This was not on the agenda, but you know they are moving forward with it. Trump really, really wants it for his birthday.
01:10:36
James
His birthday is coming up soon. Let find out what's going be Trump's birthday.
01:10:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
his birthday?
01:10:42
James
is His first 79th birthday, June 14th. 10 weeks away. okay Somebody needs to tell Elon Musk about his plans.
01:10:55
James
now I was reading about it in The Hill, right? um But unfortunately, Doge was not notified of this, I'm sure, because of waste, fraud, and abuse.
01:11:06
James
I don't know how this is going to go through, but
01:11:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, the $90 million dollars parade.
01:11:10
James
Yeah, $100 million dollar military parade, man. He has to have his tanks and his military you know officers everything on U.S. soil marching with his tanks and his Bradleys and his missiles and everything else going down the street just like the Soviets had and North Korea does. you know he He's always said he wanted it, and he tried to get it the first time, and they wouldn't do But his birthday.
01:11:34
James
but you know it's just birth and The dear leader needs to have his Soviet-style military parade. And that's going to $100 million, dollars which is actually nothing.
01:11:45
James
That's also nothing compared to the grift, the unprecedented amount of money he has been jacking up over his first term to what he is charging us taxpayers for him to golf.
01:11:59
James
God. God.
01:12:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh my God. Yes. Golf. Jesus. Let's pull up. Let's pull it up. Trump golf track. Let's see where are we at? Trump golf track.com days in office 80 days spent golfing 21 times spent golfing the time.
01:12:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
recently april the sixth
01:12:23
James
Yeah, he did.
01:12:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
youtube video but
01:12:25
James
He did 547 times in first term. Right. But, uh, right but Yeah, he's, uh, but he's charging way more, right?
01:12:36
James
Way more. Um, he's already charged $26 million dollars to us taxpayers so far in just, you know, two and a half months, two and a half months, already 26 million.
01:12:47
James
So let's just do our math here. Right.
01:12:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm pay me using your money so I can golf at my golf course.
01:12:54
James
Yeah. So you got, uh,
01:12:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
course.
01:12:57
James
52 weeks in a year times four years. That's 208 months. He's cost us 26 million in three months, right?
01:13:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh huh.
01:13:09
James
So if you go another calculator here, 26 million divided by three months, that's almost 9 million a year. So times nine. Let's see, 1,872...
01:13:26
James
million dollars.
01:13:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's going to charge us a billion dollars to go.
01:13:30
James
That'd billion. It's going to cost us taxpayers $1.8 billion. dollars He's on track to spend $1.8 billion dollars of taxpayer money at his golf course.
01:13:46
James
But hey, He's not taking a salary, he says. The first term, he said he wasn't taking a salary, and they found out that was bullshit. He was taking a salary. But you can take solace if he is, in fact, changing his ways and living up to you know promises kept, promises made, and all that. you know Maybe he won't take his salary you know as president to make up to the almost $2 billion doesn't take for us.
01:14:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh my God. On the topic of Trump griffs, like, well, okay, wait, I got, I got two good
Legal Oversight and Civil Rights Concerns
01:14:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ones actually. So like one is about golf.
01:14:14
James
ah
01:14:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like, as the world was burning from the tariffs, he was golfing with the Saudis at a golf tournament at his, that he was hosting in his own golf course.
01:14:23
James
Oh, yeah.
01:14:27
James
Do you know what also happened that day? you remember what?
01:14:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And wait wait, hold on. hold and
01:14:31
James
Yeah.
01:14:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he's such a good golfer. And definitely didn't just like grift this also that he like won every round that he played in in advance to the finals.
01:14:35
James
Yep.
01:14:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like it's not enough for him to like steal 1.8 billion dollars so he can pay himself to golf.
01:14:51
James
ye
01:14:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He also has to like bump up his scores so he wins.
01:14:58
James
yep And don't forget, he loves our troops so much that he skipped what they call the dignified transfer of the four American soldiers who died in Lithuania.
01:15:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh,
01:15:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:15:09
James
right
01:15:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:15:10
James
And by the way, if anybody hasn't seen it, Lithuania, man, oh my God, they they really did try and go all out for these American They all had American flags, blocks and blocks everywhere up there, and people were all waving American flags, and you know people are some people were crying, and they're like, oh, you know, and Trump
01:15:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, they had like a whole, they had all the dignitaries and like people lining the streets and
01:15:28
James
went to go golf.
01:15:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like yeah like like Lithuania cared more about their sacrifice and their service than Trump did.
01:15:35
James
Yep. Everybody got mad. And remember, remember Donald Trump, by the way, he was the one who was blasting Biden because Biden made it a point to always.
01:15:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
checked his watch
01:15:43
James
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Biden always went there when they were doing those dignified transfers. Biden always wanted to make sure he goes there, you know, as kid in the military anything else. And he always thought it was his duty. You know, to be there.
01:15:54
James
Every time somebody's going to die, if they're going to die and, you know, they're in the military and he's commander in chief, he always said it's his duty. You know mean? To be there and get a dignified transfer and everything else, you know? And one time, while he was there, glanced at his watch one time to see what time it is.
01:16:09
James
That is worse than skipping it to go golfing on the taxpayer's dime, that you're ripping off the country to the tune of almost $2 billion on pay sale.
01:16:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
With the Saudis while you're cheating.
01:16:18
James
With the Saudis, yes.
01:16:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then, okay so on the topic, ah on while we're on the topic of Trump griffs, this was actually the first thing I put on the notion and then something happened and it like got eaten and I forgot to go find the link and put it back.
01:16:21
James
Yes. Oh, there we
01:16:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But they're also, they' they're making it so that they're not going to prosecute people for cryptocurrency crimes.
01:16:32
James
go.
01:16:42
James
Oh, yeah, of course. They probably don't do it.
01:16:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then they're also making it so that so that like so like Trump is like disallowed from being able to sell his currency, his his Trump coin.
01:16:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But they're making it so that he can.
01:16:59
James
Yeah. yeah
01:17:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So...
01:17:00
James
Well, that wasn't, that i remember about that one. I remember that I didn't think it was ever a problem with him selling his Trump coin. i remember it was a thing with his truth social or truth media or whatever they call it. the ah You know, the truth social.
01:17:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, thought there was something with the Trump coin. Okay, maybe I'm wrong about the...
01:17:14
James
The Trump coin, no, the Trump coin is just a straight up total grift. I mean, it's just in the Melania coin that, you know, Melania did.
01:17:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:17:21
James
Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You just want to give him a couple... You just want to give him $100 million. It's super easy and no one will ever know that it was you.
01:17:29
James
Yeah, i mean exactly. and That's why they were getting rid of all the laws around crypto and, you know, remember he gave the the the pardon to the one guy.
01:17:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:17:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The Silk Road guy?
01:17:39
James
i'm not even talking about I'm not even talking about Pam Bondi's brother who he gave a pardon to. He sold a pardon to. I'm not talking about him. um The other guy, the guy from, oh God, was it Silk Road?
01:17:51
James
Silk Road Pardon? called silk road web
01:17:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, yeah, the Silk...
01:17:54
James
The Silk Road Pardon, yeah, Ross Ulbrich.
01:17:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's not... Was it the Silk Road guy?
01:17:57
James
Yeah, he got
01:17:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There was another guy. There was like another crypto guy, though, who had like a big...
01:17:59
James
Yeah, Russell Brick. Yeah, Russell Brick, the the Silk Road founder. Yeah, the guy who had life in prison. We talked about that one before.
01:18:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That was actually... That was in the same round as the... The whatchamacallit people. The January 6th people.
01:18:15
James
Yeah.
01:18:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But there was... what you're talking about. There was another guy. There was a specifically a crypto guy who was being... investigated for like some huge amount of fraud and he like grifted him $10 million dollars or something.
01:18:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then they were like, Oh, we're no longer prosecuting you. We're dropping all the charges.
01:18:33
James
Yeah. yeah They're dropping every...
01:18:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:18:40
James
little on order, man. They're dropping every... yeah ah every Everything that...
01:18:48
James
Any way that they can think...
01:18:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Protesting is supporting terrorism, but like actually assaulting the U.S.
01:18:50
James
Anything that can support terrorism and money laundering...
01:18:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
government is totally fine.
01:18:53
James
yeah if you if If there's a way to do money laundering and illegal stuff... you know They already told the Justice Department not to go after any white-collar crime. There's no more white-collar crime division at the Justice Department anymore.
01:19:07
James
They already said that. Crypto stuff. Got rid of that. We're not going after anything crypto-related. Do all the money laundering. The cybersecurity people. but Don't go after anything crypto. Don't go after anything in Russia. Hey, money laundering. Hey, we're not doing that. America first, baby.
01:19:21
James
We don't care about any of this stuff.
01:19:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
it the It's a great time to crime.
01:19:25
James
Exactly.
01:19:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:19:27
James
So, I mean, yeah. Is it any wonder with the Trump coin, the Melania coin, everything else? I mean, if you're going to sell somebody Bibles and golden shoes and shit, you know, and to have your own crypto coin and you're just looking to make a buck, you know, you're going to do anything you can to make a buck and, you know.
01:19:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, my God.
01:19:45
James
Yeah.
01:19:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
leather embossed Bible with the Constitution in it. signed by Donald J. Chavez. It's a collector's item.
01:19:55
James
Yeah.
01:19:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then you, you know, you got to sell like the the AI picture of you holding the Bible and with muscles.
01:19:58
James
Yeah, they disbanded yeah the U.S. Justice Department.
01:20:03
James
Yeah, this was just two days ago. Yeah, the U.S. Justice Department disbands crypto enforcement team citing a Trump executive order. It's disbanding its national cryptocurrency enforcement team and ordering prosecutors to narrow cryppo and crypto investigations to focus on only drug cartels or terrorist groups, it says.
01:20:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
01:20:22
James
Yeah, that's what they said. It was launched in 2022. Yeah.
01:20:27
James
Yeah.
01:20:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
great day to get away with some shit okay so we have we have on our list i'm sure we could find other things that we have on our list four four more things which one you want to do we got the save act the hhs firings the new head of the doj which actually i don't know anything about i just i saw you posted it so like i mean that one's going to be news to me and then
01:20:30
James
Yeah. Um,
01:20:51
James
ah I'm not worried about the save act, actually, just because it's the Democrats can can filibuster that they're going to filibuster that and they can't get around that unless they break the filibuster. And don't know if they're going to do that, but I don't think they say that. And we can talk about it briefly, but it's not going to go anywhere.
01:21:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The save act is basically going to require, pass the house and the save act requires additional forms of identification. So if your birth certificate doesn't match your driver's license because you're a woman and you got married, you took your husband's last name.
01:21:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Now you have to get your passport. And id see the 50 or 70% of Americans don't have their passport.
01:21:31
James
thought more than that don't have a passport.
01:21:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So to get your passport, you have to,
01:21:36
James
Pay hundreds of dollars.
01:21:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah
01:21:37
James
Yeah.
01:21:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You have to pay $160 and you have to wait six months.
01:21:42
James
Yeah.
01:21:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the six months is like standard for when the government is pre-Gouge.
01:21:47
James
It's not.
01:21:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
01:21:49
James
Well, pre-Doge, it's not even that. Pre-Doge, I got my passport, man. I got it and like two weeks or less. You know what mean? but But this administration... If you have to get it to vote.
01:22:02
James
Yeah, I don't. I imagine they tried to slow down the mail, man. They're they're definitely going to slow this down. ah I mean, shit.
01:22:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, of course. Of course. So basically what it means is like up to 70 million women are going to be disenfranchised.
01:22:10
James
Yeah.
01:22:16
James
Yeah.
01:22:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's that sounds like a part of his. We got a plan to fix it. You're never going to have to vote ever again.
01:22:24
James
Yeah. But yeah, that's Democrats aren't going to let that one go through. Yeah, they said the the the fate is uncertain because Republicans don't have a large enough majority to avoid the filibuster.
01:22:35
James
And the Democrats already said they're going filibuster it. So that's kind of DOA.
01:22:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I see.
01:22:40
James
um What were the other things you to talk about?
01:22:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The HHS firings. Actually, i want you to talk about the new head of the DOJ because I don't know anything about this one.
01:22:52
James
that it has a DOJ. i mean, that's Pam Bondi. the the head of the Department of Justice, the the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, all right?
01:23:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Ah, okay.
01:23:03
James
It's the Civil Rights Division, you know? um ah You know, the people, you know, the Justice Department, lots of times, like... a the Justice Department Civil Rights Division helped go after places where police brutality, where they're killing people like because they were black or whatever, right?
01:23:21
James
And the Department of Justice would hey, let's let's go in here. look We're going to launch an investigation against ah your your city, right, your police force. And they would do those you know agreements. like They'd have to, what's it called? God, trying to remember the name of the ah of the agreement. Like in St. Louis, they had it too, you know?
01:23:38
James
Yeah. Or for like 10 years, they have to okay everything through the DOJ to make sure they're not infringing on people's civil rights, right? They're not targeting people. They're not doing anything like that.
01:23:50
James
Anyway, DOJ, their civil rights vision, you know, that's what they do, man.
01:23:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:23:55
James
They go after to make sure that places are protecting people's civil rights, right? And so the this woman, her name is Harmeet Dillon, right?
01:24:07
James
And um she's famous for, well, she's not famous, but she's very popular in the Republicans' yeah eyes because she's one of those people who, she co-chaired a group, Lawyers for Trump, right?
01:24:21
James
And her group is, you know...
01:24:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Wow.
01:24:24
James
been really at the forefront about trying to stop Americans voting rights and saying that Trump was cheated in 2020. And ah she was one of the people who tried to take out Ronna McDaniel.
01:24:38
James
Remember Ronna McDaniel Romney who dropped her last name because Trump didn't like it. Yeah. Ronna McDaniel Romney.
01:24:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
wow
01:24:46
James
as the chair of the RNC when she, when, when Ronald McDaniel was there, uh, she didn't beat Ronald McDaniel cause Ronald McDaniel still had a lot of friends at the time. Right.
01:24:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:24:56
James
Uh, it was supported by Charlie Kirk and a bunch of other people. um She's always railed against the Civil Rights Act. She says the Civil Rights Act, remember, she's the one in charge of the Civil Rights Division, right?
01:25:09
James
She said the Civil Rights Act is a travesty. All it does is, ah you know, it's it's reverse discrimination. ah ah it's ah it's just a woke, it's all a bunch of woke propaganda, you know, right?
01:25:25
James
come She's an enemy, like I said, she is an enemy of civil rights.
01:25:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Jesus.
01:25:30
James
She does not believe civil rights are or should be a thing. She thinks it's just a perversion of justice, you know?
01:25:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So this is just another we're going to put the fox in charge of the hen house.
01:25:42
James
yeah. Yep. But worry.
01:25:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
God it's just like the oil lot there's like his new oil lobbyist in the EPA.
01:25:44
James
Don't worry. But don't worry. Hey, at least the Department of Justice, at least Civil Rights Division is not responsible for making sure that you can protect Americans' ah right to vote.
01:25:57
James
Oh, wait. that is' That is part of her job, to make sure that Americans' right to vote is protected. That's also her job.
01:26:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know the topic of civil rights and like the stuff that happens with police, I saw this, I saw this horrible video. So what happened is the, there's a family, it's like five members of the family.
01:26:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like, I think it's like grandparents, parents, and like a, like a brother sister or sister something like that are outside in their yard. And they're talking to this young man who's, you know,
01:26:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
depend on which member of the family you are. He's like the son, the grandson, the brother. And he has autism and he's having a confrontation with his family and he's holding a knife.
01:26:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's not going after anyone. He's like in the yard away from everyone and they're trying to talk him down. And i guess there was like some yelling. So the neighbor across the street called the police.
01:27:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the neighbor across the street is filming when the police arrive.
01:27:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The police get there. And within 14 seconds, they're there. there You watch the guy like the car pulls up.
01:27:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The cop gets out of the car. He starts running over towards like there's a fence around the yard, like a metal, um like a like a chicken wire fence. OK, like a four foot high ah chicken wire fence.
01:27:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they they run over there. He's immediately unholstering his gun. Okay. This kid is on the other side of the fence holding a knife and he gets up and he like takes a step towards them.
01:27:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's 14 seconds from the time they arrive to the time they start shooting. And they unload nine bullets into this kid. Shoot him nine times. that Each of them unloads all their clips.
01:27:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They shoot him nine times. He doesn't die. he still He was still alive, at least at the time the video. But it's just, you know, it's horrific.
01:28:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just
Public Protest and Economic Analysis
01:28:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
existing as a brown person and having the cops called against you.
01:28:18
James
Well, Harmeet Dillon's on the case. i'm sure I'm sure she will care.
01:28:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh man. Like it's so bad.
01:28:30
James
Hmm. Yeah. That happens. I mean, yeah, that happens all the time. It's sad. It'd be nice if we had a Department of Justice that would, you know, what do they call those agreements?
01:28:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hold these officers to account. Like he's on the other side of the fence with a knife. know I mean? Like, like he's not, he's not throwing the knife at them. He's not jumping over the fence.
01:28:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He doesn't have a gun. You know, and like, he's probably standing up and brandishing the knife to get them to back away because they're running at him with guns and screaming at him.
01:29:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's just like, it's just heartbreaking.
01:29:09
James
Consumpting Creator.
01:29:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, ah I remember, i remember i it was like sometime in this past week where I spent like a couple hours just like scrolling through the news, just like waiting until I had like you know, like I'm like, at some point I've gone through and seen everything.
01:29:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'll see, I've seen all the new stuff and and for two hours, you know, it was just new horrible thing after a new horrible thing. And it's like, it's so emotionally heavy to like, to have that experience where like everything is something that endangers a loved one, you know,
01:29:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
might mean that like my wife's immigration status is going to be, you know, switch a flip is a switch is flipped and, you know, she's gonna have to leave the country.
01:30:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Maybe I'm gonna have to leave the country. You know, it's just so many, it's just so many like heartbreaking and terrifying things to take in.
01:30:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's this difficult situation because the more you look, the more you will find because it's a this like flood. you know, like I was gonna say, it's a shotgun blast, but it's not even, it's like it is a flood.
01:30:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's just a torrential downpour of of just awful news there every day.
01:30:46
James
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:30:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and if you have any empathy at all, it's really hard to like, to take that in and not have it boil over into rage or make you sad or or become this like feast of apathy.
01:31:05
James
i
01:31:11
James
I don't, I'm not apathetic about it. i don't, um don't see how people can be apathetic about it. I don't, I don't, I can't get that. I just get mad and I get sad and you get worried and you get angry.
01:31:21
James
you i mean, but, uh,
01:31:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i mean, he you start to feel powerless. You to feel like, you know, if it was one thing, you know, if it was, if it's George Floyd, okay, we can march.
01:31:28
James
yeah.
01:31:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I can talk about George Floyd. We can, we can try to, to talk about police reform. We have this one problem. We can get everyone behind this issue. You know, we can talk about the reforms that we need.
01:31:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
we and we We can see the problem clearly and we can talk about what we want to do to it. With this, it's so many things that affect so many different people in so many different ways. And it's like, like I was thinking about it and I was like,
01:31:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
okay, let's just say that I wanted to fact check these things. It took me, like, I literally just went through for two hours and was like, oh, this is newsworthy. This is worth talking about. This is worth being upset about. This is worth caring about.
01:32:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If i went back and like tried to fact check all those things, like there's not enough time in the day, even to just, you know, parse reality without trusting certain sources and trusting the algorithms.
01:32:20
James
Yeah.
01:32:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
let alone, you know, trying to pick which one of these things is important enough to try to rally behind and organize behind and like drill down into a concise message with actionable steps and like plan and then try to get people behind that, you know, like it's
01:32:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this overwhelming task, which which I know is the point, you know.
01:32:49
James
Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But that's where the apathy comes in where it's just like, there are, like, you look at it and you're like, even if I put all my time into this, there's not enough hours in the day to do what I think would need to happen to make a dent.
01:33:05
James
yeah
01:33:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, of course you do what you can, you know, you protest where you can, you donate where you can, you you know, have the conversations with your family that you can have. You share things with your, you know, your friends and your coworkers and, you know, that person who you haven't talked to in a while because they were getting a little Trumpy on social media.
01:33:23
James
Thank you.
01:33:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, you do the things that you can because, you know, it's the same thing is true in reverse, you know, where if it's a of ah flood of of things that are bad, you can respond with like, you know, your own trickle of things that are good.
01:33:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And if enough people are doing the same thing, then it it becomes a flood in the other direction. There are, there are more, what's the, what's the Hakeem Jeffries quote where it's like the power of the people is more, is greater than the power of the people in power something like that.
01:34:13
James
i I don't know that one, but sounds right. Yeah.
01:34:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
it was It was in one of his, it was in him talking about having done the filibuster. I saw him say this. I think i think if it's like part of like a ah set of lines because I think I saw a couple different speeches from him on social media, different different places. but
01:34:38
James
yeah
01:34:41
James
Hmm.
01:34:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:34:43
James
Anyway.
01:34:46
James
That's all you can do, though, man. And actually actually, this is actually, there's a Sarah Longwell, as ah the Bulwark. They were talking about this. And she was actually making a good point today. She was talking about how, because Republicans, they were talking about protests and like, these guys in the Bulwark, right?
01:34:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thank you.
01:35:01
James
They were were all Republicans, right? And they were all talking about the but Republicans' DNA, man, they're like they're not wired to do protests like lefties are. They generally generally aren't. Usually they were brought up they didn't do protests and things like that, right? like Yeah, like old school conservatives, i man, they never really protested.
01:35:18
James
you know they'd be They'd grumble or whatever, but they didn't go out and protest stuff, you know? And that was something like you know the lefties did. Right. And she's talking about how people being snatched up and how, you know, and they were they keep making the jokes like, hey, unless you're a foreigner or a foreign born person or a a lawyer for a foreign born person, you know, so far doesn't seem that they're rounding up podcasters yet. You know, i mean, they were making jokes about that, you know, but it's not really funny.
01:35:47
James
But it is funny. And she was saying, she's like you know what, though? Honestly, the average Joe, the average just middle of the, you know, just random person on the street, the average person, right, has more power than one of these CEO people, right?
01:36:02
James
More power than these immigrants, for sure, right? Because like, like, they talk but like, some rich CEO person, right? Some really big millionaire, billionaire, something happens to him, right? The government goes after him.
01:36:14
James
Nobody really cares. Fucking CEO prick. You know what I mean?
01:36:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is the.
01:36:18
James
Right? people don't get all People aren't going to get all up in an uproar to save you know the president of Goldman Sachs or something. Right?
01:36:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and so
01:36:28
James
Right. But if it's just an average, normal, run-of-the-mill you know person who's just working as a family, right, and something happens, like an American citizen, just a normal, I'm working nine-to-five job, whatever, and I'm just doing this, and and the government starts doing something depriving them of their rights or something like i have liberty, you know, right? and just there head protein And something happens, that becomes a bigger story.
01:36:52
James
You know I mean?
01:36:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:36:53
James
And more people will care about an average Joe person, you know, and just an average nobody who is, you know, getting strong-armed by the government than if it was to happen to some foreigner, an other person, right? Right.
01:37:06
James
Somebody you can't say, oh they're an illegal immigrant or whatever, right?
01:37:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:37:09
James
Or some really rich person or a celebrity. There's all that schadenfreude. People like when something bad happens to those people. I mean, just think about Luigi, right? off that Nobody gives a shit about the guy who ran but you know ah a health insurance company, right?
01:37:24
James
No one cared about him. More people or care about Luigi. And he's a guy who killed a guy, you know?
01:37:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
01:37:29
James
So she's like, you have way more power as just an average person. Go out and demonstrate. And honestly, and you're about like the first time, like they want to try to silence people. These law firms are going to try to get everybody to quash dissent as much as possible to get people to not speak out.
01:37:44
James
Because if people are doing things and speaking out, that makes them look bad. That gets news. yeah And you can't just send in police and round up a bunch of citizen, normal people.
01:37:55
James
Right? It looks bad, everything else.
01:37:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
01:37:57
James
So he's like, you have more power as and as an average person than if you were like a rich CEO. I'm like, that's a good take.
01:38:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, like that.
01:38:06
James
we oh
01:38:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
All right, let's bring it home. What could go right and or ah what do you predict will happen next?
01:38:22
James
What could go right? Well... hu
01:38:30
James
I actually, and and I think where I put it in the comments there, that Jake Bro podcast I was watching.
01:38:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
01:38:35
James
And so credit to him. And this is like a an idea he's floating that could happen. And I was like, holy shit, that's actually a really good, what good could happen.
01:38:47
James
Because Trump with all these tariffs everything else and crashing the world economy, right? And all the bonds, right? Remember... you know Japan and South korea looking into doing deals with China, Canada and the EU looking to go around and cut out the US. A lot of countries are looking to...
01:39:05
James
you know, S out the U S right. and And a lot of people are looking towards China.
01:39:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:39:09
James
Now everybody in the world pretty much agrees that China is a fucking bad actor when it comes to trade, right? They really do manipulate the currency. They undervalue it. They do all kinds of little things. They really do steal companies is intellectual property.
01:39:24
James
you know, they really are awful. You know what mean? They are terrible at this. They, They really do steal everybody else's shit and then just try to make their fucking Uyghur slaves, you know, make it for free, you know, and make a lot of money on it You know what mean?
01:39:40
James
They do this shit, right? So one of the one of the things about the ah the tariffs, and now it's up to 145%, that's essentially like a fucking trade embargo, right?
01:39:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
01:39:52
James
Now...
01:39:55
James
With that happening, right, and when you look at what's in Ukraine, right, they had more Chinese nationals, right, were getting caught by Ukraine, right?
01:40:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
01:40:04
James
um yeah
01:40:06
James
China's not in the best position for things, right? I mean, they're kind of, they want to deal a deal with Europe, right? China wants to get out of the U.S. U.S., mean, you can't do trade with the U.S. right now with 145% tariffs back forth, you know what I mean?
01:40:20
James
So they want to do a deal with the right?
01:40:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:40:23
James
EU wants to stop Russia, right? China pretended to want to try to be a neutral party in ukraine the war, right? Russia's economy is fucking cratering because one of the unintended consequences is the oil prices crashing and Russia's losing a lot of money.
01:40:43
James
The only thing keeping Russia going is all of these drones and from from China, all of the ah all the military hardware they're getting from China, right? I'm talking about like Kevlar and guns. That's all China stuff, right?
01:40:58
James
Yeah.
01:40:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
get
01:41:00
James
All of the little motorcycles and fucking golf carts and everything that's not a mule that they're driving down, coming from China, right? And China needs to get around trade with the U.S. They need a big trading partner.
01:41:15
James
And Europe is really pissed at the U.S. And everybody wants to have another way out. So what could go right? EU could go in say, hey, fuck the US. China, you agree, eat fuck the US, right? All right. Hey, you want another big, huge trading partner who's just as big as the US? s We want cheaper shit.
01:41:36
James
We want Russia out of Ukraine. Cut them off, right? It could lead to a really, it could actually lead to a good peace deal between, not ah I mean, Russia is still your neighbor, but it could actually lead to an end of the war that might be a lasting one.
01:41:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, man.
01:41:49
James
If EU is really stepping up and supporting them, they make deals with China, China stops supporting Russia, could be an end to the war. inadvertently Trump could end the Ukrainian Russian war by being a fucking idiot and just crashing the price of oil.
01:41:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
man
01:42:04
James
Now in the process, it's not great for the United States, but it could be good for Ukraine. And that's still a win, you know, that's something good that could happen.
01:42:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, I know. i love that. That's great.
01:42:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that's the best book could go right i think we've heard yet.
01:42:14
James
that's
01:42:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I like that a lot.
01:42:18
James
Yeah.
01:42:20
James
So that's what I think. And it's actually very plausible, you know, it's It's plausible. and China needs to do deals with people. So. ah
01:42:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
okay i'm gonna I was had ah had one of each and as I was listening to you, I'm tired and they left my mind. So I'm going to do a prediction because I remember that part of it.
01:42:40
James
right.
01:42:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And my prediction is really simple. And it is just that the US is going to go into a recession.
01:42:52
James
Oh, yeah.
01:42:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, as I've heard that like like the impact like the impact of
01:42:53
James
Big time.
01:42:56
James
Hell yeah.
01:42:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
of this trade chaos and especially the stuff with China is like there are people as read an article who were talking about how as like a ah Chinese importer or like someone who imports from China they were dumping whole shipments like they're just they're just like giving it away so they don't have to pay the the tariff to the shipping company like I'll just send it anywhere else sell it to India we don't care like just don't don't bring it here And the number of shipping containers that like this one company was doing, like they were doing, um, it was, it was like 40 to 50 day or 40 to 50 a week that they were handling this one particular company and their orders are down to two or three or from 40 or 50 over, you know, whether it was day or week to two or three over the same time span.
01:43:50
James
Thank you.
01:43:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like, the imports have dropped off a cliff and they were like, look, the impact of this is to like, everyone's trying to like find somewhere else to like send their goods. And people are just like, not trying to do this at all because you don't know what the tariffs are going to be.
01:44:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then the importers are kind of in this fucked either way situation where like, well, if you import it now, there's a hundred percent tariffs, but it could be that like, you know,
01:44:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
in a week there's a 400% tariff. So you should import it today. because it's going to be way cheaper than doing it a month from now, you know, but like, it could also like, they could make a deal and then it could be, it could be 50%, you know?
01:44:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like, there's no, there's no good solution. So the best solution is just be like, well, just stop trading here and just give it to anyone else who will buy it, you know?
01:44:47
James
yeah
01:44:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like the effects of, of that, you know, and like the, like the knock on the rest of this stuff, is going to take more than a year to recover.
01:45:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, like we're just like the stock market is like the first sign that's kind of like the, uh, canary in the coal mine, you know, like the stock market isn't a good picture of the economy, but it's a good picture of where the economy is going.
01:45:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And
01:45:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like, like when this volatility hits us, you know, when, when couches start to cost more, when Nike's cost $400 instead of 150, you know, when couches cost $2,000 instead of 1200, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
01:45:30
James
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:45:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
When, when every paper good you buy, like somebody did like, uh, like, uh, items of Costco, ah you know, how the tariffs are impacting those particular items.
01:45:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it was like toilet paper costs, you know, for like a big, the big pack, the Kirkland brand costs you know, $26 with tariffs, it's going to be $38 and just like on and on item by item, you know, um when everybody starts getting squeezed and no one's, no one's all these pieces of business are shutting off and shutting down. And like when all of this hits at the same time, we're definitely going to go into a recession and it's going to take, it's not going to be an easy bounce out because
01:46:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
we're biting all of the hands that feed us simultaneously.
01:46:29
James
And just by the way, we're recording this on the 10th at 11 o'clock night. It's now 11 o'clock at night.
01:46:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
hmm.
01:46:36
James
And so just because it's going week away, you know, and we're not going to talk about this in a week, or you might still be talking about it, but apparently like today, ah stocks, bonds, everything else, it tumbled again today.
01:46:48
James
And we talked about the recession, to your point, about the chance recession. Everybody's up in the odds. Goldman Sachs says 65% chance of recession. JPMorgan Chase said 60% chance of recession.
01:47:00
James
you know, the the u U.S. Treasuries bonds that we talked about earlier, you know, dropped like a rock again today. The Swiss franc is at a 10-year high against the U.S. dollar. They're pulling money out of the U.S. s and putting it into the Switzerland.
01:47:14
James
And, yeah.
01:47:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
oh my god we didn't even get to the point in the beginning so like because of the we got sidetracked
01:47:16
James
who
01:47:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but as you were saying before we started recording the the effect the effect of the of the bonds being being dropped was that ah that the price went up so our yes our interest rate went up and when the interest rate on 36 trillion dollars of loans goes up by half a percent that costs you couple hundred billion somewhere somewhere in the like two to three hundred billion dollar uh range
01:47:24
James
Oh yeah. The, yeah, the effect of the bonds, it raises your interest rates. Yeah.
01:47:44
James
Yeah. Interest.
01:47:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, and additional an additional interest.
01:47:47
James
Outer debt. We're all correct.
01:47:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Not total, but additional interest.
01:47:51
James
yeah We're already paying, ah was it 500 billion? Is it 500 billion I think we pay?
01:47:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:47:56
James
Yeah, we already pay like $500 billion dollars a year on interest on our debt. Just interest.
01:48:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So his...
01:48:04
James
We're not paying down to that.
01:48:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so
01:48:05
James
We keep increasing the debt. Remember, the first time around, Trump increased the debt by $9 trillion. dollars Right now, they're already set to increase the debt by $6 trillion dollars a year. You know? 5.7 whatever is.
01:48:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and
01:48:15
James
5.7. Mm-hmm.
01:48:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and just from the one day of his fuckery now $200 billion dollars a year more in interest.
01:48:16
James
five
01:48:19
James
That was $200 billion dollars a year more in interest.
01:48:24
James
That's $700 billion dollars a year that we are paying the minimum on our credit card. Not even the minimum. It's just paying the interest.
01:48:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That is, that's, that's,
01:48:34
James
Not even a minimum. When you make a minimum payment on your credit card, you are paying down interest and a portion of the principal. We are not even getting the principal. We are just paying $700 billion dollars on only interest, and we are not touching the principal.
01:48:49
James
We just keep adding to the debt, the principal. $900 billion.
01:48:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And what do we spend on billion.
01:48:54
James
$900 billion. or nine hundred nine hundred billion dollars
01:48:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
dollars So we're we're almost getting US military's worth of interest.
01:49:06
James
just to give you an idea what is the economy of Russia?
01:49:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Brutal.
01:49:10
James
What is their entire GDP of Russia? Let's 2.1 trillion. so So other words, we are paying the interest on our debt is me less than half, more than a third of the entire GDP of Russia.
01:49:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Wow.
01:49:35
James
Just interest.
01:49:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
wow
01:49:38
James
So 5.7, near $5 trillion dollar tax cut to the rich. You know, we could just pay down our debt. We could just not do that. And we could be debt free in like, you know, seven years.
01:49:52
James
And then we have another $700 billion dollars a year that what we could, we could raise another army the size of our own army. You know, we could conquer Greenland and everybody else at the same time. But that second $700 billion dollars we're spending, you know, whatever.
01:50:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
while that we could just pay our debt off at seven years, but we're just like,
01:50:14
James
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we would. We could easily could. We easily could.
01:50:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
man.
01:50:21
James
I mean, maybe that's seven, maybe. Well, there yeah, it would be seven. Five trillion a year times seven years. That's 35 trillion. Okay. Be a little bit more year or so more. You know, mean, ah yeah Seven, eight years, we can be debt-free just by not giving that $5 trillion dollars a year tax cut to the rich.
01:50:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, that is under the assumption that there's no World War III or COVID 2.0 or cetera.
01:50:43
James
Yeah, I know.
01:50:47
James
Yeah, but here's the thing.
01:50:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
or
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01:50:48
James
we
01:50:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
etc
01:50:49
James
but That's why this whole Doze shit is also such a crock of shit. There's so much... Our economy... so It was why I told you that and like a couple of weeks ago, like, really, the debt doesn't really matter. It's just...
01:51:02
James
Your ability to pay off the debt, our ability to pay off the debt, our economy is so massive. If we actually made the decision that, yeah, we're going to pay the shit off, you're just not going to give a $5 trillion tax cut. We're just going to make a $5 trillion dollar a year payment on our debts.
01:51:17
James
We could be out of debt, no problem.
01:51:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
uh-huh
01:51:18
James
You know what mean? It's just, you have to have the will to do it, you know?
01:51:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
if
01:51:23
James
But that's a lot of money that we blow. And why would you even need Doge to, or and we all know it's a full ship, but Americans talk about waste, fraud, abuse, waste, and wasting money. What's more wasteful than spending $700 billion dollars a year to get absolutely nothing at all?
01:51:45
James
We're not even talking about a really overpaid state employee because he's the head coach of the best basketball team ever. Okay. At least you're getting something out of it. You're getting a good basketball team, right? I mean, you are getting literally nothing out of just paying interest on a debt that you could be clear of in a few years.
01:52:04
James
Yeah. Whatever.
01:52:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, that's wild.
01:52:06
James
Yeah.
01:52:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That is wild.
01:52:08
James
yeah
01:52:11
James
But that's it. You know, uh, know, Any other last things, anything we wanted to wrap up with? You were getting tired. Oh, Laura Loomer. Yeah, this crazy Laura Loomer. It doesn't really matter. It's just another psycho. i mean, shit, he listened to crazy people before.
01:52:32
James
Laura Loomer is kind of crazy, and she's probably banging him for whatever, you know. And she she just thought... She said the people in the National Security Council, right? she She made sure to make a point to go tell Trump, you know, her findings.
01:52:52
James
Her findings were that those these people in the National Security Council are not sufficiently loyal to Donald Trump. They may not break the law for you. Got get rid of them.
01:53:05
James
So he did.
01:53:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
says says the blogger.
01:53:07
James
Yep. and just in case anybody doesn't remember, just because I say the name, like everybody knows who the name, Laura Loomer is the, she's the proud Islamophobe 2017. twenty seventeen She said she's pro white nationalism, right?
01:53:20
James
She says nine 11 was an inside job, right?
01:53:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
course, of course.
01:53:24
James
She's so racist that Marjorie Taylor green said that she's fucking racist.
01:53:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's pretty.
01:53:35
James
Yeah.
01:53:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's pretty damning.
01:53:37
James
And, uh, all through the campaign anything else. and And she's been just glued to Trump's hip. I'll say, what I mean? ah Yeah, when they went to the 9-11 memorial service.
01:53:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, I mean, you know, you know, Melania is not fucking him.
01:53:51
James
he's She's the one he took to the 9-11 memorial service, right? On That made them just lose their fucking minds because she's when it said 9-11 was all fake, it was inside job, you know, all that shit about it. So when he took her there and she was like ah attached to him, like if she wasn't fucking him, then she's at least blowing him.
01:54:14
James
You know what mean? He was like grabbing on him and sticking her tits up on him and, you know, for pictures and like, I mean yeah. Wow.
01:54:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Wow.
01:54:26
James
So, but that's too the that's who's now calling the shots and saying who's, who's a you know, loyal or not loyal and who he needs to get rid of.
01:54:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
wonder if she's another one of these bloggers who's getting paid by Russia.
01:54:42
James
ah probably but mean she's been around for a long time but she's a psycho though anyway anything you want to talk about no
01:55:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No. um I'm tired. feel like we actually hit the full list. don't even remember the last time we hit the full list. It's been a while.
01:55:08
James
alright well good show maybe I don't know that's her uh 19 subscribers now? Something like that? twenty 20?
01:55:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, we're up to... i think we can safely say we have fans now.
01:55:17
James
Double digits. Pretty soon we'll be able to say we have dozens of fans.
01:55:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:55:23
James
Dozens.
01:55:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Soon.
01:55:24
James
Soon.
01:55:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Very soon.
01:55:25
James
Soon we'll be able say that. Alright.
01:55:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
very soon.
01:55:29
James
Alright. Well, goodnight everybody. Goodnight everybody listening.
01:55:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And good luck.
01:55:33
James
Good luck. And see you next week. Talk to you later.
01:55:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
See you next week.