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the one about the kids not being all right (ep. 5)
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Klobuchar / kash patel hearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDhHefNKRuw&ab_channel=PBSNewsHour
Kushner on Gaza
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
voters who didnt vote for Harris bc of Gaza on maragaza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sIanzx6ba8
Maggie Hassan being an absolute triumph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYj8x8f1QY&ab_channel=C-SPAN
Ken Martin
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/ken-martin-dnc-chair-election/
Impoundment a love story
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/can-a-president-refuse-to-spend-funds-approved-by-congress
How the Nazi's were inspired by jim crow
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
The Bulwark warned you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF_HyVf3U3Y&ab_channel=TheBulwark
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview
00:00:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Welcome to O Brother News. I'm Gabe, and we are brothers, and this is the news.
00:00:10
James
I am James.
00:00:15
James
and And maybe some conspiracy theories.
00:00:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and maybe Maybe some conspiracy theories today.
Political Figures and Events
00:00:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, so we were just we were talking in the pre-show, and it sounded pretty episode-y, so we're just going to jump in. we have a a lot of topics.
00:00:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'll go over the the big bullet points and we'll just get into it somewhere. Okay, so we've got Klobuchar, her comments at during the Kash Patel hearing.
00:00:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I have some thoughts on that.
Elon Musk's Political Involvement
00:00:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We have this news. Trump's going to build a Trump Tower in Gaza.
00:00:50
James
Yeah.
00:00:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Tard talk from the river to the sea, Palestine will cease to be, etc. We have Expect the worst from the government or rant. That'll be a fun one. and we I don't know if we did the homework on this, but maybe we'll try to get into it on the fly, uh, USAID and what they really do that matters. The flooding and overwhelm strategy. Uh, where are the the angry Democrats, which will be another rant. Um, got a couple of people to call out there.
00:01:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We'll probably segue from that into the new DNC chair, Ken Martin. Talk about Elon and Doge and the Department of the Treasury's payment system with the kids who are definitely not all right.
00:01:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, and I don't know. That's just like some of the shit that happened this week. So this is, we'll start with this and see where it goes.
00:01:40
James
Well, there's a lot of things that Gabe here want to talk about beforehand.
00:01:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What do you want to jump into first, buddy?
00:01:47
James
there's a lot of things that gabe here want to talk about beforehand The only thing I want to talk about is Elon Musk and how you know they're doing the the coup against our country. And people aren't talking about that nearly enough, even if that is some of the bigger stories. So we should probably save that for last because otherwise it won't be time for anything else.
00:02:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Nah, do it first, do it first, whatever.
00:02:06
James
yeah i
00:02:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's always next there's always next week, this is the one so when you want.
00:02:11
James
Oh, man. So, yeah, Elon Musk, man. Now, first of all, everybody should know that Elon Musk is obviously not doing this on his own. Right? he' He is Trump's bitch right now, and he's doing the dirty work for Donald Trump. So while Donald Trump is screaming crazy shit everywhere, talk about taking over Palestine and Gaza, whatever, and and tariffs on again, off again, on again, off again, you know, all those other news stories, it still is not being talked about enough about what Elon Musk and his
00:02:47
James
former employees, his interns, his people from his various you know companies, you know what he's having them do, and why I think that is such a bigger deal than anything else that's going on.
00:03:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do you think that like he's using Elon Musk in the same way that like J.D. Vance would come out and be like, oh, we're not going to release the violent ones. And then, you know, when Republicans are pissed about it, then he's like, OK, I know what the people want.
00:03:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, they didn't like that one. So now I'll let them all out and let the guy let the Silk Road guy out to fuck it. You know, I think it's like that sort of thing. It's like somebody comes out and like takes a position just so they can get beat up to like tell him which way the people want him to decide.
00:03:27
James
I think.
00:03:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then he like does, you know, the popular thing.
00:03:36
James
Oh, no, I think it's more like I think it's more it's I think it's more like, all right, Elon, you're basically, you know, you're you're going to be you are the attack dog. You're going to be the guy. You're going to be the you're going to be the enforcer. You're my enforcer. I'm the hit. I'm the my boss. You're my top. You're my top ah know enforcer, or whatever.
00:03:56
James
and Elon Musk is going to go do it. And since Elon Musk is Elon Musk, he makes news. So when any of the stuff comes out about it, he's also the fall guy, right? He's also, oh, Elon Musk and his team doge when in this, by the way, doge is bullshit.
00:04:11
James
Doge is not a real thing anyway.
00:04:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's the Department of Government Efficiency,
Security and Privacy Concerns
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James
Yes. Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and it is a meme coin based on the the lovely Shiba Inu dog.
00:04:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's very real.
00:04:20
James
yeah Okay.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's very real.
00:04:21
James
Anyway, but yeah, he sent when Elon Musk gets all the bad attention when, oops, we accidentally shut down a bunch of stuff that people care about. Okay, oh, oops, Elon Musk, it was just a snafu, he gets the hit.
00:04:34
James
For some reason, it's still not hitting Donald Trump. If shit ever got really bad, and Donald Trump's numbers plummeted, because people are blaming Donald Trump for the shit that Elon is doing, he can just cut Elon loose, right?
00:04:46
James
Oh, you know, whatever, he was doing this.
00:04:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He can't cut Elon loose man.
00:04:48
James
I mean, he did the same shit,
00:04:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Elon Musk bought his fake immigrant presidency and paid for it.
00:04:53
James
publicly Elon Musk is taking I mean here Elon Musk if anybody doesn't know if you've been living under a rock right or you're just not paying attention right self no no anyway I don't know I didn't get the joke but whatever
00:05:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sells flamethrowers.
00:05:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Is that the interview? Elon Musk sells flamethrowers.
00:05:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Started the boring company. Named his names his cars so that their model numbers would spell out the word sexy with an E, a three instead of an E for gamer speak.
00:05:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But xylophone.
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James
Okay, we'll say his, say his kid's name.
00:05:33
James
That's okay. wait Anyway, no, so so Elon Musk, he's sitting as t Trump is letting him go in there.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that So I say it. you know so
00:05:42
James
Trump says, but you know, how Trump will, you know, quote, declassify something by thinking about it. Well, he's kind of, I guess, letting them that Elon Musk and his 18 to 24 year old kids,
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that's That's how Neuralink works.
00:05:55
James
go go into places where they have no security clearances, they have no security at all to get to these things and just think, oh, I imagined that you have security clearance. So i just go in there.
00:06:06
James
And if people get in your way, know, I'll make sure they're fired. Right?
00:06:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do you need a security clearance?
00:06:12
James
Yes, absolutely. And
00:06:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what According to what?
00:06:15
James
According to the General Services Administration, according to a bunch of things. I mean, yes. And you definitely, they definitely don't have the security credentials. but First of all, they didn't have the security credentials to get access to it.
00:06:27
James
You know, they're being held up there. And they definitely don't have the security credentials to be doing what they're doing, which is installing AI software on their computers to spy on them.
00:06:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What are they doing?
00:06:40
James
Huh?
00:06:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what are they How do we know what they're doing? Have they told us?
00:06:43
James
Well, Well, they told Wired, does it got leaked to Wired, like Wired magazine to know, that they were deploying suites of AI software on their computers in the General Services Administration, right?
00:06:54
James
That's the agency that manages all federal offices and technology, right? And they were installing AI software on there to spy on people, to look through their emails, comb through their systems, look for their chat histories, look for anything on them that said anything bad about Donald Trump or the administration or anything they deemed to be disloyal.
Trump Administration Critiques
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James
right?
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, but counterpoint, like a lot of jobs put on like, you know, software to make sure that you're, isn't this the employees, the employees computers?
00:07:18
James
Yes, but these aren't employees.
00:07:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No.
00:07:25
James
Yes, they're installing it. Yes, it would be it would be like.
00:07:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So they're, so they're, digital so they're putting digital monitoring software. I'm just playing, I'm just going to play devil's advocate. You got to like sell me on this.
00:07:32
James
Okay. Yes, devil's advocate, it'd be like you walking into Apple, demanding your way in the door. And then pushing people out of the way and installing it on their computers. Yes, it's like that. Yes, you walked into Apple and you started putting stuff on everybody's computers at Apple.
00:07:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Man, these government computers, I don't feel like the government's like letting people bring their own computers to work.
00:07:54
James
Yeah. Anyway, so they're putting spyware and stuff on the people's computers to do that. They're going in there and just shutting down payments to to agencies, turning stuff off, you know, when oaks.
00:08:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what What agencies did they shut payments off to?
00:08:09
James
Hmm.
00:08:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What agencies did they shut payments off to?
00:08:11
James
oh god Man, why don't you ever talk to me about this shit before we start recording so I can actually have it ready to go exactly?
00:08:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i gave you I gave you the list and I told you to look at it on Tuesday.
00:08:19
James
but with people i don't
00:08:24
James
federal fund Because like Jamie Pritzker had a really good thing about it too when he was calling him out for them lying to us Blocked before they're turned back on Here we go.
00:08:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They did the funding freeze for all the different government agencies and then a
00:08:35
James
Well, they okay. They they did block it. Luckily the courts did. Let's see if it does it All right. Let's see here. What were the first things?
00:08:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah like they did that they did the funding freeze for like all the different government agencies and then The court blocked it before even most of it went even, even went into effect.
00:08:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like most of that stuff didn't even happen.
00:08:50
James
A lot of it did happen and then they blamed it on website outages.
00:08:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i didn't hear but I didn't hear about that. So I don't, I don't know about that.
00:09:00
James
Yeah, uh, JB Pritzker did a really good thing where he had a whole big press conference about the administration is lying to you. They are trying to blame my own website outages. They blocked this. They blocked this. They blocked this. He actually laid out a bunch of things.
00:09:12
James
They blocked, Meals on Wheels funding got blocked. Some other funding has got blocked. Uh, there's other state things. things. Um, uh, where was it? Where was it? God damn it.
00:09:22
James
We're already recording. Uh, yeah, no.
00:09:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
take Take your time, bro. It's all right. You can find it.
00:09:28
James
Yeah, but you don't want dead air while I just sit there and start googling shit.
00:09:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Here, you look you look for a minute.
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James
you you know
00:09:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'll rant. I'll go over some of the stuff that I wrote up about, Elon.
00:09:35
James
Yeah.
00:09:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK, so I heard I heard the initial stuff, right? It was like, oh, Elon's getting into the payment systems at the treasury. And who knows what he's going to do? It's probably going to be something bad because, you know, cartoon villain Elon. And then it was like, oh, and he has he's working with these kids, these who knows, like, are they stupid? We all we know is that they're young. So like, let's just talk shit about them like, oh, these incompetent children and their lack of experience and security. And oh, it all sounds really bad, but it's like super fucking nebulous.
00:10:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I watched this video of Asman Gold, so like, you know, asterisk, but like he apparently looked up one of the guys and one of these kids was at least very intelligent.
00:10:10
James
go There go.
00:10:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He was like going to school in some, I don't know, middle of the country, like Oklahoma or Kansas, something like that. And he caught wind of this like tablets project from, I don't know, I don't know exactly what it was from.
00:10:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It was from like some like old volcano.
00:10:37
James
There you go.
00:10:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like the volcanoes made a big fire and destroyed a bunch of old civilization a long time ago. And they had these tablets that like, you know, probably had some writing, but they couldn't decipher anything because they were all burned beyond recognition.
00:10:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This kid hears about this and he like gets really fascinated and like wants to try to find words and like spins up this like, you know, AI image examination software.
00:10:51
James
yeah
00:11:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And he starts spending all of his free time. searching for words and he eventually finds a word and it's like the word for purple which is significant because like purple was like the last color that cultures would discover because it was you know it was hard to get purple so it kind of tells you like if you're gonna find one word it tells you a lot so the point of this was like at least one of these kids is really smart and then he was also making the point like oh they're this this founding father and this other founding father like i don't remember the exact names of the people he was like this dude was 23 when he did this thing this dude was and i was talking to james about the other day and and
00:11:15
James
far. Yeah.
00:11:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And he was like, I was like, I thought it was like James Madison or I can't remember which dude I said.
00:11:35
James
So what? Yeah. right
00:11:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And he's, we looked it up and it was like, you know, he was, he wasn't 23. He was 36.
00:11:42
James
Yes.
00:11:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But the point was just like the fact that they're young doesn't disqualify them. The fact that we don't know what they're doing doesn't mean that they're doing something bad. Now, if they are doing something bad, I want to know about it.
00:11:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I want to be upset about it, but I don't want to be pre upset about the thing that I don't know that they're doing. I don't want to prejudge them as incompetent when I don't know what they're doing.
00:12:01
James
All right.
00:12:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You ready?
00:12:03
James
Yeah.
00:12:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Is that enough rambling? okay Go for it.
00:12:05
James
Yes, because I think Pritzker said even best here, right?
00:12:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
00:12:08
James
Like he said, Donald Trump and his administration have not earned the benefit of the doubt. He said, they're either lying to us or they're critically incompetent. And here are some of the things they shut off. And it went across all 50 states, right? Low income, the low income home energy assistance program, unemployment support, Meals on Wheels, right? All of these things were cut off. The White House, when they put out that memo at 742 that he's freezing in it, which by the way is unconstitutional, Congress appropriates money.
00:12:37
James
not the president, not the executive branch.
00:12:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But the president spends it.
00:12:40
James
No. Congress spends it. They distribute it. They just make sure.
00:12:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Congress says you have this much money for this thing and then the executive branch spends the money.
00:12:45
James
Yes. Yes. And the executive has no authority whatsoever. And this has been decided over and over and over by the Supreme Court.
00:12:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
How's it though?
00:12:56
James
The executive branch, it yes, it has. Way back even with Nixon, went before that Nixon, Reagan, I mean, got it, it says come up so many times, it's not even funny.
00:13:06
James
Yes, the executive branch cannot overrule the legislative branch as far as spending. That is the core in the Constitution, not an amendment.
00:13:17
James
The core thing about the legislative branch is they have the power of the purse. you know The executive branch cannot say, well, Congress said we have to spend this money, but we're not going to.
00:13:28
James
No, that's different branches. you know Congress
00:13:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what about What about impoundment? The process in which the president withholds or delays spending on programs authorized by Congress is called impoundment. This practice dates back to the third president, Thomas Jefferson.
00:13:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it has at times been controversial because the impoundment of funds can put the executive and legislative branches in conflicts. The Constitution's Article I, Section 9, grants Congress the power of the purse to approve spending in the federal budget in the appropriations clause, which reads in part, no money he shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. The Constitution then delegates to the president the task of spending approved funds in the take care clause, which requires the chief executive, quote, shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, end quote.
00:14:14
James
And then the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 was passed, right? Because Nixon was abusing his authority, right? And and they said, yes, the president cannot do that.
00:14:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mmhmm.
00:14:25
James
Presidents don't like it. And Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump all disagree with that. They all want to be able to do it, right? They even made a line item veto.
00:14:37
James
Remember the line item veto? They talked about that in 96. It gives the president a
Presidential Power and Budget Control
00:14:40
James
line item veto. So if you had a whole bill, but there's some clause in it that says, but we want to spend X amount on whatever, the president would be able to do a line item.
00:14:49
James
So you know what? I'm going to scratch this one line out and send it back to you. This one item is all I'm going to take out of it. You know, and I
00:14:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
bro. I remember everything that happened in politics when I was 11. Come at me, bro.
00:15:00
James
was older. So anyway, that got struck and that got struck down by the Supreme court. As a prim court said, no, you can't do that. President can't, you can't even do a line item because Congress disposes the money.
00:15:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Can't do line item.
00:15:12
James
You don't, you can't, you can't stop the money they spend.
00:15:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. But the, this so I'm reading from constitution center.org, which is a link. I'm going to put it Hold on, put it in a notion in case you just want to follow along because it's giving me the same history hilariously.
00:15:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, it's going to be at the bottom of the document and it's there now.
00:15:29
James
And how about control act? They can't do it.
00:15:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yes. So the Empowerment Control Act. So what does it say here? And it requires Title title title X in the Act, commonly referred to as the imp Empowerment Control Act or ICA.
00:15:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it requires the president to report to Congress when he impounds funds as a deferment or a temporary delay or a risk rescission a permanent cancellation of spending. Under the ICA, spending deferrals must not extend beyond the current fiscal year, and Congress can override deferrals using an expedited profit process. For rescissions, the president must propose such actions to Congress for approval, and he can delay spending related to rescission for 45 days. Unless Congress approves a rescission request, the funds must be released for spending. So he can pause it for up to 45 days. He just has to tell Congress that he's doing it.
00:16:21
James
And yeah here's the thing though, so here's the thing.
00:16:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and then and then try to get them to approve it.
00:16:24
James
So when you lock, and here's the other thing that Elon and the team are doing, they are locking everybody out and telling them they're fired and they can't come into work and they're blocking their computer access.
00:16:36
James
So here's the thing, until they are stopped, let's say 45 days goes by and the entire department that would do job X, right, dispense this money to whatever.
Democrats' Political Strategy
00:16:49
James
That entire department is gone. There is nobody to do the work. On paper, you can say, well, yep, we've delayed it for 45 days. and All right, I guess we can't block it anymore.
00:17:00
James
But there's no people to do the job. How does it get dispensed?
00:17:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, bro, this is the same this is the same government that like that like votes on whether or not to take out a giant loan, always decides to take out the huge loan, then votes on whether or not to pay it back, and then has like a hissy fit back and forth.
00:17:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, we're going to shut the the government down.
00:17:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Will they, won't they? and then And then we vote just enough money to keep it running for like three or four months, and then we rerun the same episode of the same shitty TV show again.
00:17:25
James
they only do that when democrats They only do that when Democrats are in charge.
00:17:38
James
That only happens when Democrats have the White House. It's true. It only happens when Democrats have the White House. When do you remember a the fear of a a government shut down during the first Trump administration when they actually exploded the debt on an just outrageous unprecedented scale more than anybody else had ever been able to do?
00:17:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He referring to the 8 trillion, the 30% of the national debt that was that Trump was responsible for in his first term.
00:17:58
James
They never did.
00:18:00
James
Yeah.
00:18:03
James
Yes. Yes. And when did the Republicans threaten to shut the government down and then that's how spending was cut?
00:18:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But I thought they're the party of fiscal responsibility.
00:18:09
James
Never.
00:18:12
James
No.
00:18:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do they mean like they're fiscally responsible to like the banks?
00:18:14
James
No. the
00:18:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like They're like, we're definitely going to take out a loan so these banks can get paid. We wouldn't want the bankers to not get paid. that's How or else would we be responsible?
00:18:21
James
No, they have no such thing as physical ability.
00:18:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like That kind of our fiscal responsibility.
00:18:25
James
Yeah. Yeah, but.
00:18:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but But they do, though. like They take money from the poor. They're like, oh, you want Medicaid? I've been paying your whole life into Social Security. Guess what? Fuck you. like Rich people got to buy another boat.
00:18:38
James
Yeah, you're still acting like but i'm like, but you're still acting like voting matters now in the, in the, in the house, because right now, and that's another thing that everybody's talking about.
00:18:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
that's very That's very responsible.
00:18:48
James
I mean, a lot of people have been talking. There is no, what's her name? What's her name? Jesus Christ, Sarah Longwell, right? Sarah Longwell, Republican, folks group, she does a lot of stuff with that, right?
00:19:00
James
Political strategies.
00:19:03
James
She put it best. The entire founding of our country works, you know, on the premise of three three legs, right? You got the executive branch, you got the co-equal branches, you got the legislative branch, you got the courts, right?
00:19:15
James
And it only works
00:19:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Got the fourth branch.
00:19:19
James
Yeah, we don't have that first of all, right?
00:19:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The media.
00:19:21
James
Yeah, so Forgive that fret that right now.
00:19:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The media.
00:19:24
James
Let's go basics. Okay, let's let's pretend there is no media right the real three branches and it's built on ambition counteracts ambition, right?
00:19:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
All right. Three branches.
00:19:33
James
And the executive will never be able to get total authority because the people who run the house who control the purse aren't going to let them because they have ambition. They want to have, they want to rule their house, right? They control the spending. They control this. The president just does that. Courts, you know, you have their say, right? The legislative brands, man, Mike Johnson and John Thune, their tongues are so far up Trump's ass, they don't give a shit what he does. They all, I mean, they're laying down. You had the people in the house, Republicans in the house literally saying,
00:20:03
James
If Donald Trump tells us to jump, it's our job to say how high, right? They will, they don't care. They're just abdicating everything to Donald Trump. Whatever he wants, he gets. So now you only got, you have one leg and then they got the court which of course it's the same courts that said that Donald Trump can commit any crime he wants to as president as long as it's part of an official act can't even question it can't investigate not even admissible as evidence he can do anything he can literally order the military to assassinate anybody who gets in his way but it was an official act because he was talking to his generals so you can't even question it
00:20:48
James
That's the power they've given him. And as a result of that power they've given him, everybody else is backing down and letting him do whatever.
00:20:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Biden had that power and I'm really, oh you know, uh, just the point of like Democrats or bitches, like, I guess where we could get a little preview of the where the angry Democrats, but like, you know, if you're, if you're president Biden and you're out there talking about how Trump is the next Hitler.
00:21:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and like democracy's on the line in this election. And the Supreme Court says, presidents can't be prosecuted for official acts.
00:21:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like, you can just do official acts. Like, and they're like and they literally specified, like, what if I wanted to say, I don't know, kill my political opponent, but like have the three letter agency do it or the military, whatever.
00:21:34
James
Exactly.
00:21:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And and they were like, youre like this, like Kentucky Jackson Brown literally asked that exact question.
00:21:36
James
Why didn't you do it? Because.
00:21:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And their defense lawyer was like, yeah, that's, that would be cool if that's what they wanted to do.
00:21:41
James
Yeah.
00:21:44
James
yeah
00:21:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, like, why didn't Biden just fucking, I don't know, blow his ass up? Why? The Supreme Court said you get a free pass, do whatever the fuck you want while you're president. Do you, boo boo.
00:21:54
James
my night my night that My nine-year-old keeps asking me this question.
00:21:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And where's the bomb? where Where's the gun? Where's the bullet? A nine year old, the fucking little tiny little teenage kid.
00:22:03
James
Why didn't Joe Biden just kill him? Why didn't Joe Biden kill him, right? And honestly, it's a hard question to answer. The only thing I can ever tell him is because most people, like here, Luigi, man, Luigi Mangione is one of your heroes right now, right?
00:22:20
James
but But most people, of but most people, I love this word.
00:22:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is a hero, but he's dreamy. And I love is love his work with the pistols.
00:22:28
James
Most people, most people recognize that murder is wrong and a good person doesn't want to murder somebody, right? And granted, it's like, and I told him the baby Hitler analogous.
00:22:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm more of a, if you're not cheating, you're not trying, sort of a sort of a person.
00:22:43
James
Yeah, there's that too. But like, it's like, I asked Julian, I asked, I asked my son, right sorry, sorry. I asked my son, i said I said, all right, Julian, this is this is a thing that people have debated for decades.
00:22:55
James
I said, if you saw baby Hitler, would you kill him as a baby?
00:23:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yes, yes.
00:23:03
James
And he says, and you know what his answer was? I was very happy with his answer. I was relieved with his answer, because you know sometimes he scares me with all of his rantings. He said, no. He said, no, I wouldn't kill him. He was a baby.
00:23:13
James
I would just make sure that he didn't grow up to be a bad guy, right?
00:23:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I wouldn't I would put it I would put his ass in a fucking oven and turn it on.
00:23:19
James
I'm like, I know. And nowadays, I mean, whatever. But I was kind of happy.
00:23:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
right into the oven with little baby Hitler.
00:23:25
James
I was kind of, I was happy that he did the good route. My child wants to be a good person, right?
00:23:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm disappointed. I thought your shell was going to be much more ruthless than this.
00:23:30
James
I thought he would be too. But he said no, he wouldn't, right? And I was like, oh, you wouldn't? He goes, no, I would just make sure he didn't become a bad guy.
00:23:41
James
And that's the problem with Democrats. They don't want to do the horrible murder thing. They don't want to go out there and do that. They know murder is wrong, right? They think that, well, we have the courts and we can delay stuff in the Senate and we can block these things and we can resist this and we can demonstrate and we can convince voters that this is bad and it's all on the ah ah premise that they can just they can work within the rules and system and stop stuff, right?
00:24:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, seems like that's just getting them fucked.
00:24:12
James
And the problem is That is getting them fucked.
00:24:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This has been my this been my issue with Democrats since Obama's first term.
00:24:15
James
Exactly. And actually, there and I really do want to make sure you link to that the bulwark podcast from today with Michael Steele, you know?
00:24:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Put it in the put notion.
00:24:23
James
Yeah, yeah, I did.
00:24:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i'll I'll link it.
00:24:25
James
And he's like, we the name of it's called we warned America and now it's fighting for survival.
00:24:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
All right, cool.
00:24:29
James
And it starts off honestly, Michael Steele starts off talking about He's like and disagrees with one of the points you were going to bring up and later about Chuck Schumer He's like Chuck Schumer. He's like, what the fuck is he doing? running You know bring this he gets he's gotten played He says he has gotten he's been he's been made looked like a bitch every single time by Donald Trump and these Republicans He all these Democrats thought they could they can make a deal and talk about hooking Jeffries He likes to he came Jeffries, but at the very beginning.
00:24:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
every every time.
00:24:55
James
He's like, all right. We'll be stewards of the Americans and we'll do this and we'll work with them where we can. And he's like, there's no fucking deal. These Republican, they don't want to make a deal. They're just going to fuck you and fuck you and do what they want unless you stop them. And they want to destroy all of this stuff. Same thing with cash Patel and everything. They're going to do what they want. They want to destroy the FBI. They want to destroy all the intelligence services and all the cops and everybody who's looking the illegal things that they were doing, stopping corruption. They want to get rid of the inspector generals.
00:25:24
James
They're doing whatever the hell they want and running it I mean is a mob boss that got into the White House and now he knows He can't even be prosecuted He's running it like it's the mob and he's sending his enforcers out to do whatever until they're stopped and if they're not stopped Good luck with elections. That's all I gotta say good luck with ever having a free and fair election because by the time Let's say the courts say you can't do this. You can't do this. I When the damage is already gone done and the people are all fired and the computers are shut down and these payment systems are shuttered, okay, on paper, the court says you couldn't have done that, but okay, well, it's already done. It's already gone. It's destroyed. What do you want me to do?
00:26:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm sorry, Your Honor, we already did control-alt-delete.
00:26:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You can't, what are we, you can't, there's no control-alt-undo-delete, Your Honor.
00:26:12
James
Yes, exactly.
00:26:14
James
i
00:26:17
James
i
00:26:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's just how, do you know how computers work?
00:26:17
James
i Yeah, I already went to the root directory and I did an RM space minus R star, you know, oops, I'm sorry. Yep, you're right. Oops, my bad.
00:26:27
James
We are not allowed to do that. Know what? Next time we won't do that. And then they're going to walk away.
00:26:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then he's gonna, and then he's gonna, they're gonna be like, you broke the law, and he's gonna be like, prosecute me, and he's gonna be like,
00:26:33
James
Doesn't matter.
00:26:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It wasn't official act, bitches. What you going to do?
00:26:40
James
Yeah, exactly.
00:26:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Nothing.
00:26:42
James
Exactly. So yeah, I
00:26:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sounds like we got played, bro. I don't know. It just sounds like like somebody was playing four dimensional chess and someone was like, please abide by the gentleman's rules.
00:26:51
James
It was never a four-dimensional chess.
00:26:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they were like, but no.
00:26:55
James
Yeah, honestly, it's not that complicated. it's not I don't even think it's that complicated. They're just going to go through there and try and take control of everything they can do, shut everything, centralize all the power, and
Immigration Policies and Contributions
00:27:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, I think this is a great, this is a, this is a learning opportunity. This is a learning opportunity for Democrats. Okay. And the lesson here, I think is very clear and here's the lesson. Okay. When you, when you are the one holding the gun, shoot that motherfucker, shoot him.
00:27:16
James
loud, get out loud.
00:27:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Don't, if you are the one wielding power, you need to use it to the full extent of the power, because when the other guy gets it, he will use it.
00:27:26
James
Be careful.
00:27:29
James
Be careful with your analogy.
00:27:33
James
Be careful with your analogy here because, you know, we're going to be a targeted group here soon. We're not talking positively about the country and then you're there about the about the government. Sorry. We're not talking positively about the party in charge right now.
00:27:46
James
And if you start talking about guns, you know, we might end up in and El Salvador at the fucking worst prison in the entire world where he wants to
00:27:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know
00:27:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Why would we be in El Salvador?
00:27:57
James
You didn't read that new story?
00:27:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You mean, is like is that where Guantanamo Bay is?
00:28:01
James
No, that's Cuba. You didn't read about CCUT?
00:28:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's cute. No, I didn't read that.
00:28:05
James
Oh my God.
00:28:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What if you put shit in the notion, bro? I'm just saying.
00:28:10
James
I didn't put that in the notes. You should look at C-E-C-O-T. right C-E-T-C-E-C-O-T.
00:28:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
CECO2. Give me the cliff notes. I'll look it up later.
00:28:19
James
Cliff notes. El Salvador had a horrible problem with gang violence and terrorism and all these large scale gangs. I mean, a lot of people were coming from El Salvador because gangs were rampaging across the place.
00:28:33
James
They're, you know, controlling large swabs of the countryside and raping people and killing people. Horrible gangs, right? MS-13. MS-13. You already talked about MS-13. It's from El Salvador, right?
00:28:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bad hombres.
00:28:44
James
Yeah. Well, it's, it was from El Salvador and uh, president of El Salvador and their police force and everything else, their government, they made a very good effort to go as far as Gabe would go on fighting things to get control.
00:29:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't think they did. I don't think they went as far as I would go.
00:29:08
James
I think they pretty much did. They made this huge, they made this massive, massive prison.
00:29:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, what did they do?
00:29:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
See, that's where we diverge. I would have dug a giant hole in the ground and put them all in it.
00:29:19
James
They might be underground by now and dead. This might be where where it's coming to why we have the offer we have from El Salvador. Anyway, they put everything Jesus put in.
00:29:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like you know You know how like in every movie, we're like, there's a there's gun. And then like the good the good character gets it, and they're like pointing it at the bad guy. But they don't want to shoot the bad guy. So they're just pointing the gun at him. And the bad guy is like exploiting their obvious stupidity and weakness.
00:29:37
James
All right.
00:29:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And he takes the gun, and then he like kills them.
00:29:42
James
No, I don't know what that, no it's not, okay.
00:29:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's the same thing.
00:29:44
James
Point is the world's most ruthless, horrible prison right was built. 410 acres. right It's massive. right whole place surrounded by lots of guards with firearms and riot gear, 15,000 volt fences surrounding the entire place. They got everybody. They killed a lot of people. They put a lot of people in there. They have little cells, 70 to a cell.
00:30:10
James
right They're not they have to eat they have to shave their head every couple days right the the guards come in there and do that gunpoint they Do not get any kind of sheets or beds or pillows or anything. They have four or five story tall Metal shelves right that they all have to sit and lay on right all day long. They're never allowed outside They're never allowed any visitors. They're never allowed any lawyers. They're never allowed anything at all to check on their well-being and They are disappeared to this place, right?
00:30:41
James
And it held it held about 40,000 people and the other crime rate plummeted because Anybody who did anything wrong would be put in there for life never to see anything again.
00:30:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thank you.
00:30:52
James
Why don't they kill them? Because they could just kill them because it is so much more rule.
00:30:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Life is scarier.
00:30:58
James
It's so much more cruel more more cruel to leave them locked in there like sardines 24 7 they never turn the lights off. They're not allowed they lights are always on 24 seven bright lights sitting. You should look some of the pictures they had there, you know, I mean, it's, it's horrible. Right. And at one point it held up to 40,000 people. Now we'd have no idea how many people are currently in there, if any, anymore, because nobody knows what happens to people. They just get disappeared there and nobody ever sees them again. Right. Um, but El Salvador's president made a deal with Donald Trump. He offered them. They were very happy. And Rubio, he's talking to me. He's like, Hey, he offered for a fee, you know,
00:31:36
James
for anybody that Donald Trump wants to send out of the country, right? Rather than build detention camps and concentration camps here in America, we can just pay El Salvador and we can put them in that prison.
00:31:48
James
U.S. citizens, anybody. Put the criminals here, bring them here. We'll pay you, or you can pay us.
00:31:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
we're gonna Are we really going to like export our deportations?
00:31:57
James
yeah offered they offered that for They offered that because, you know, A, Some countries don't want to take people from us. When we want to deport somebody, right? They're like, Hey, well, if Mexico or Columbia or somebody is not going to take the people, we'll just take them pay us.
00:32:11
James
And we'll just put them in this horrible prison. You'll nobody will ever see them again. And that was Matt deals on the table now.
00:32:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
sounds pretty awful.
00:32:17
James
So we'll see if Trump wants to take them up on it. I don't know if we'll ever know about it because I think people might just get, if they do agree to it, people will just get disappeared to El Salvador and nobody would ever know. But the offer is public.
00:32:30
James
The offer was on the table publicly.
00:32:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You don't think anybody will ever know.
00:32:35
James
Who would know? How would you know? We don't know what happened to the people that we stole the kids from the last, the first time Trump was here. They deported people. Oops.
00:32:46
James
Their kids were here. Okay. Where are their parents? We don't know. Who were their parents? We don't know. Oops. We don't have records. Sorry.
00:32:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But but we we do know that that happened.
00:32:56
James
Yeah, we know that it happened. We know that people got deported, but we don't know where they got deported. We don't know what happened. Oops.
00:33:04
James
Maybe they got deported. Maybe they didn't. Maybe they got deported. Maybe they escaped. Who knows, man? Maybe they went to El Salvador. Who knows? We lost the records. you Hey, if you mess up the computer system, they have the records, then what's where are the records?
00:33:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well.
00:33:15
James
Where's the proof? You won't have any proof. You have no inspector generals, and they have no lawyers. Remember, that's one of the executive orders by Trump. No more immigration judges. That's one of their executive orders.
00:33:26
James
They do not have to wait to see a judge or see anybody. the They can just be deported immediately upon requesting asylum. They never see a judge. They never get a lawyer. They never talk to anybody who is going to know where they went.
00:33:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK, but like for that for that problem, Like that actually is like a real problem though. So like you come into the country and you say, Oh, I want asylum.
00:33:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, okay, well a judge has to process your claim and put that in the constitution.
00:33:50
James
Not anymore, but not anymore though.
00:33:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. But like I'm explaining the problem. So this was the problem. Okay. Then they're like, all right, well, we're going to see you at court in 18 months.
00:34:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Make sure you come back for your court date, get out of here, you little rascal. And they just cut them loose and they just go wherever they're going to go and do whatever they're going to do. And they're just like, they're in this undocumented state, but they're allowed to be in the country.
00:34:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And a lot of times they just don't show up to their court date. I wouldn't even say a lot of times. I don't know how many times maybe they all, maybe they all show up to their court dates.
00:34:21
James
It's about 1%. It's about 1%. They really ah ah overwhelmingly do. It's like 1%.
00:34:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They really over. Okay.
00:34:27
James
Yeah, it's like 1% doesn't maybe.
00:34:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But they, like, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be that you have like this long time where you're waiting in the country.
00:34:34
James
It shouldn't be. They should just have more immigration judges.
00:34:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
good Yes. Absolutely.
00:34:41
James
Yeah.
00:34:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They should be able to like, they should be able to like, or they should be able to like grant someone asylum. You know, they should be like, Hey, you know what?
00:34:48
James
But that's a crime now.
00:34:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You've got asylum for six months. Cause that's how long it's going to be until, you know what I mean? Like you shouldn't just keep put people out with like, without a status. You should put them out with a status.
00:35:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like that whole system could be way better.
00:35:01
James
It could have been. Yeah, but they don't. But like Trump doesn't want that.
00:35:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They wanted to not work so they can say it's broken.
00:35:11
James
but the Right now, I mean, you can't even request this asylum anymore in America. You can't. You are automatically.
00:35:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
at all?
00:35:17
James
No. You come over to the border.
00:35:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What if you're like a white person from like a nice white country?
00:35:22
James
You can't do it at the border.
00:35:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What if you're a rich South African who owns, say, an emerald mind?
00:35:28
James
You can't do it at the border. I mean, I don't know how you go about it that way.
00:35:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Emerald mind, not mind.
00:35:31
James
You might have to, I mean, I don't know how they would go about it. But if you're coming to the board, if you're coming to a port of entry at the border and you come to the port of entry, you are immediately turned away.
00:35:43
James
No judge, no hearing, no anything. And they send you back. They put you in a car, they handcuff you, and they send you somewhere. That is the new policy of the US.
00:35:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, so what is, what is that? What does that incentivize?
00:35:59
James
It incentivizes people coming illegally and trying to sneak across without going through a port of entry.
00:36:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. What happens when they do that?
00:36:07
James
If they make it or if they get caught.
00:36:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Let's say they get caught.
00:36:10
James
If they get caught, then they're just putting in a detention facility indefinitely.
00:36:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. It doesn't sound great.
00:36:21
James
yeah if Yeah.
00:36:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They put them in a detention facility, they don't send them back.
00:36:23
James
If they have a kid? If they have a kid? Huh?
00:36:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They put them in a detention facility, they don't just send them back.
00:36:29
James
Well, they will send them, well, they say they'll send them back, but you know, they'll put them in a detention facility first. They don't let them walk free. They're just going to immediately grab them, arrest them, put them in a detention facility until they can throw them back, assuming they're going to get but sent back somewhere.
00:36:44
James
And apparently if if the question is the country won't take them back, right? Like they don't want to say like, no. And I guess El Salvador is on the table or they will stay in a detention facility. And definitely with no hearing that's new, the executive order, to know new executive order, no hearings, no judges, no lawyers.
00:37:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So I think now is a good time to ramble a little bit about the merits of, uh, undocumented immigrants, like, and and having them be a part of your system.
00:37:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like when you have undocumented em immigrants, you're basically, you're getting like, uh, a sort of second-class citizen, right?
00:37:24
James
free tech money.
00:37:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like they come, they come in, right? When they get paid or. you know say they get paid under the table like in cash okay so that's the thing that happened sure but like you know some of them get paid because they're in some kind of status that's just not green card or you know citizenship it's not like an an official permanent status it's some sort of impermanent status okay they're working they have a job they're paying taxes or you know they're working construction for cash and they're still buying stuff and they're buying stuff and so they're still paying taxes okay now the
00:38:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like when you have this status, you know that like you can't go to the police. You can't take advantage of social services because you don't have that status and you don't want to jeopardize your ability to be here and do this work because you know, even if you're getting paid less than what an American worker is would get paid to do the same job. It's still good money for you because the situation you're leaving behind is worse than the situation that you're in now. Like, you know, when the, op when the alternative is like, you know, getting,
00:38:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
your head machete off of your shoulders by an MS 13 guy because they want your block. And so you leave your country and, you know, walk for three months through who knows what sort of hell. And then you finally get here and like, Oh, if you're just staying in an apartment with like 12 other people, like that's a much better situation than you were in before. And now you're earning way more money, even though you're earning less than what a normal American would get. You're still earning way more money than you would have earned there enough to even send money back and take care of your family or your,
00:38:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
or your parents or your whatever, or save up for when you eventually just go back to your own country. And then you don't have to live in the block that MS-13 on a live is you for living on. So they have this incentive to try to stay here, right? So like they have to kind of keep their head down. They don't take advantage of social services. And in a lot of cases, they're not eligible for social services. So you have this workforce that's going to work for less money. We're going to keep more money in the hands of Americans. They're paying taxes. And like, if you look at the, the,
00:39:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Immigrants taxes, I think if it's a 2023 or 2024, 2023 or 2022, I think is the the number I'm thinking of, but like they contributed more than they cost $96 billion. dollars Like, so like all the immigrants being here contributed $96 billion dollars more than what the government spent on all of the like judges and the, and the ice and like all the different social services that they might've used the, you know, all the different things. Uh,
00:39:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like it's in our, it's to our benefit to have access to this workforce that's willing to do jobs we don't want to do for less money than we would pay people and live in worse conditions than we want to live in. You know, like that's, that's actually a very advantageous thing. And at the same time, they're incentivized to behave very well, to file the law, to, uh, to build businesses and to work hard because this whole thing is like, uh,
00:40:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
is for them, it's this rare opportunity to leave something worse behind and build something better. And so it's imperative. Like it costs this like long, arduous, dangerous journey, and you know, where you can die or get taken advantage of or whatever, you know?
00:40:41
James
no
00:40:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like, is this chance at like a better life?
00:40:49
James
no
00:40:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so, and so like, you know, yes, there are, there are always going to be like people in a population, especially a vulnerable population where like, crimes happen, but if you look at the statistics, immigrants, ah ah illegal or legal, commit fewer crimes than citizens.
00:41:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because of this incentive structure, they're leaving behind something worse for something better. It's a very difficult thing to get here to try to leave that behind.
00:41:09
James
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is their chance at something ah ah something better. This is their chance to take care of their families and build something and try to become Americans and like, they are incentivized to do things the right way. And so we as Americans are incentivized, like in two ways, right? On the one hand, you know, there's the incentivization of like, keep taking advantage of them, make, so the systems don't work, lock them into this shitty status where they're kind of in limbo forever and they're allowed to be here. Okay.
00:41:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
then there's the other way that you can incentivize is like, well, these are people who like want to be here, who want to work. Like, you know, my my wife is an immigrant and a lot of her friends are. And all these people have like gotten advanced degrees, started businesses, own property. Like they bust their asses in a way that Americans don't. Like this is like to like ah ah Elon and Vivek from his point that like people were you know, upset about for five minutes, a couple of weeks ago, like immigrants have a different mindset, you know?
00:42:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like they're like, yeah, I've seen what it's like when you're in like a fully fascist country. I've seen what it's like when the gangs take over and there is no like rule of law. I've seen what it's like when like the value of your currency collapses and like suddenly you a dollar is worth 20 cents.
00:42:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so like everyone's broke at the same time. Like I've seen it and I've, I've, you know,
00:42:34
James
hmm don't wanna go back not going back and all in that I mean Jesus if nothing else another misconception people need to remember is they work in here
00:42:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
took my chance. Yeah. So now I'm here and I'm trying to like make sure I don't have to go back to living in that, way that kind of a way. Yeah.
00:42:53
James
if you're undocumented. News flash, undocumented people work normal jobs all the time. Usually what happens is they get some, somebody lets them borrow their social security number, security card, right?
00:43:06
James
They made me get a little fake ID, right? They say, oh yes, hi, I'm i'm Gabe or I'm,
00:43:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm Smith.
00:43:15
James
John Smith, whatever like that. Even if your name is Hector, you know, whatever, via you know whatever, something else, right? You get working somewhere, right?
00:43:26
James
You're paying your Social Security taxes. You're paying Social Security taxes. You're paying these other taxes. You're taking these payroll taxes. You are paying taxes because you're working at a real job. You can't collect any benefits later.
00:43:37
James
You're never going to be able to collect these benefits because you're undocumented. You're not going to be able to get Social Security.
00:43:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, they pay and they pay into social security and Medicare and Medicaid and and federal tax and state tax and they get nothing back.
00:43:43
James
they pay into all these things and they don't get a dollar of it correct so all those people who say oh they're freeloaders no they're not man they're busting their ass paying taxes and they cannot ever get anything back from that tax money they're paying they are just putting in supporting you yes yeah yeah so and they're
00:44:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like they want like they want to they want to become citizens so that they can get the social security that they paid into. But even social security, you have to pay into it for a certain number of of years at a certain amount of work in order to be able to get benefits.
00:44:15
James
Yeah. You take all the people that fast food industry who are illegal and all that money going into the social security administration, all the people in the farm industry paying into the social security, take them out of it.
00:44:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
All the people in the construction industry.
00:44:25
James
Take all the construction, take all that money that's going into the social security pot out of the social security pot now. Cause you're going to get rid of all these workers.
00:44:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But it's not just that though. Like those people are, like when they leave, they're not going to pay rent. They're not going to buy gasoline. They're not going to buy dinner.
00:44:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They're not going to buy, buy bedding and clothing and like all the other, you know, internet and cell phones, all the other stuff that it that it takes to live.
00:44:42
James
Yeah, exactly.
00:44:46
James
Yeah.
00:44:49
James
The news flash.
00:44:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They're not going to, all the businesses are going to lose all of that business.
00:44:55
James
And news flash, undocumented people, right? When they they have a family and they're working real jobs and they're making money, right? Because they're working real jobs paying taxes and not collecting benefits. They also buy houses and they rent houses, right? And sometimes, because they don't have very high paying jobs, sometimes if you're ill, you know, if you're undocumented and you got two or three family members who are all working, not the greatest paying jobs, but you're working hard, right? They might live together, right? They might have like a one or two bedroom house with three, four people in it, right?
00:45:24
James
But they're paying rent, they're buying a house, they're paying more they're paying property taxes, they're paying all these other taxes into the place, right?
00:45:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm hmm.
00:45:32
James
you know I mean, it's it's a lot of tax revenue going in, benefiting the community, overwhelmingly not committing crimes, because you don't want to land yourself on the radar of law enforcement and get busted being here illegally.
00:45:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You ever see this picture? It's a it's a there's iterations of this, right? But it's like a political cartoon. I've seen it. I've seen a few times recently. It basically it goes like this. There's an old guy wearing a suit.
00:46:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he's sitting at one part of a table and he's got a pile of cookies by him. He's got like a thousand cookies. Okay. And there's another guy, there's like a white guy in like car hearts and like a MAGA hat. Okay. And he's sitting there and he's got one cookie. And across from the guy in the MAGA hat is like, uh, like a Brown guy, you know, he's just he's some kind of Brown, but he's also wearing car hearts the same way. He's not wearing a MAGA hat. He's just wearing,
00:46:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's wearing a hat. okay And the guy with like ninety like a thousand cookies looks to the to the guy with one cookie, and he and he points at the brown guy, and he goes, he's going to steal your cookie.
00:46:42
James
yeah yeah
00:46:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the and the guy in the MAGA hat just like gets real upset. And like and this is this is the game. This is the thing. This is like all of the all of the issues about DEI and trans and immigrants.
00:46:51
James
oh
00:46:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It is all a ah big distraction from like the guy who actually stole all your fucking cookies.
00:47:02
James
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's it is the rich people.
00:47:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's it's Donald. It's Elon. It's Peter Thiel. It's this collection of this, let's call them, say, a basket of deplorables, if you will, you know a bundle of fucks.
00:47:04
James
that
00:47:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, like that's the whole thing. like And so people they get people riled up about immigrants. just as a, as a distraction.
00:47:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
00:47:32
James
and Yeah, that's what I was saying.
00:47:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Air is dying. We've gone.
00:47:35
James
Yeah, I was thinking that's why the segue into the other stuff. I mean, I figured that's the segue into, that's a perfect segue into, uh, we're taking over the Gaza Strip.
00:47:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. That's what I was going to do, which thing.
00:47:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, I knew you were going to, I was hoping you'd go for Gaza. Yes.
00:47:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh God.
00:47:48
James
Big, big, big smoke screen distraction.
00:47:52
James
I mean, does anybody think, no, this serves, this is a wonderful distraction because it serves two purposes.
Middle East Politics and Gaza
00:47:58
James
one it tells everybody on your racist base that yeah fuck these brown people right that's what they're saying basically because you know they're like
00:48:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
<unk>s still okay but There's no way to win with the neo-Nazis on this one, though, because like you can either fuck the Palestinians and help the Jews, or you can fuck the Jews and help the Palestinians.
00:48:15
James
yeah so they're go to help do two How are you helping the Jews? You're fucking the Palestinians. And then the United States will own it. We'll have the Riviera of the Middle East.
00:48:27
James
It wouldn't be a Jewish state. It'd be a US territory, allegedly.
00:48:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's no way he's going to call it the Riviera.
00:48:32
James
It's never going to happen.
00:48:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's going to be it's going to be Trump-Gaza.
00:48:36
James
That's what they called it. That's what he said. He said the Riviera of the Middle East. That's what they called it.
00:48:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, we usually think he's going to miss that brown that that branding opportunity.
00:48:41
James
and
00:48:43
James
He's not going to do it.
00:48:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's no way.
00:48:44
James
We're not going to do it. It's a smokescreen. That's why Netanyahu is holding in his laughter at the stupidity of it when he's sitting right next to him. He's like laughing. He's like, he just ate a bunch of shit.
00:48:56
James
He's smiling. Oh my God, I can't believe he's playing this shit.
00:48:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I didn't watch the video, but.
00:49:00
James
And you saw Susie Wilde's face. Oh my God. You look at Susie Wilde's face and his chief of staff.
00:49:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Who's Susie Wilds?
00:49:06
James
She was standing right behind him.
00:49:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh.
00:49:08
James
Google the Susie Wiles picture. Susie Wiles Gaza pic. Let's see if that comes up. Oh yeah, there you go. Susie space W I L E S space Gaza pic. Just type it in and you can look at her eyes blowing up the size of fucking sand dollars right like what the fuck is he saying oh my god at that look as he's talking about taking over Gaza it's never going to happen so you see the picture I
00:49:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you think, seeing it I'm seeing like like a whole browser window full of just this, like I've seen like 40 versions of this picture.
00:49:51
James
because it's insane and stupid and she's like, what the fuck? And Netanyahu just starts cracking up laughing.
00:49:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do you think he just like, you think he was just like freestyling?
00:49:59
James
he's He was just freestyling in.
00:50:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do you think he just like made it up on the spot?
00:50:03
James
Of course he did, but when he said some stupid outlandish shit like that, yes, it's racist. It's so funny to talk about ethnic cleansing. I mean, what could be funnier to a Republican than talking about the forcible removal of millions of people off their homeland and, you know, oh man, it's such a hoot to those Republicans.
00:50:22
James
You know, they love it, right? So it does, it stirs the pot.
00:50:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Let me, let me, let me take this opportunity to.
00:50:26
James
It stirs the pot every which way, but it's a smokescreen to the real shit they're doing.
00:50:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. But it, but it also, okay. It gives me a great opportunity to talk shit to the children of tard talk, you know, because, you know, on the totally not a Chinese PSYOP propaganda machine, uh, where they just went on and on and on and on and on about
00:50:39
James
Yes.
00:50:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
genocide joe all over tarred talk. They're just genocide joe this and genocide joe that and he's genocide joe's always been a genocide joe from the very beginning. So much genocide for joe. Uh, so they thought like, yeah, we'll just say nothing about Trump as Jared Kushner is talking about how Uh, you know, the, the property would be really good beach fun. It'd be great for condos. Like in 2024, actually I'm going to link this article, but it's February 15th. He was at Harvard university doing an interview. The video came out a couple of days later. Uh, but actually video interview was February 14th video came out March 19th, but he was like, yeah, you know, should be waterfront property. And just to get a little conspiratorial, you know, when
00:51:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
in Trump's first term, Kushner was in charge of Middle East peace. And what he came back with was like a billion dollar deal for, you know, his dad's investment company that he went to after the administration. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if like, you know, the plan Jared's plan for Middle East peace was one state solution.
00:52:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
where Israel lets their guard down so that Hamas can do some sort of horrible attack kind of like what happened on October the 7th, giving Israel an excuse to just go and just like ground pound Gaza into a giant pile of rubble full of unalive children. And then, you know, to just like sweep it all away and build condos.
00:52:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and you know get like those people to go live in Syria or Jordan or something. That sounds like a pretty Kushner ah ah plan for peace in the Middle East.
00:52:51
James
I don't think they ever had a plan.
00:52:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
too Too conspiratorial, too too much credit.
00:52:55
James
I think too much credit. I think Jared Kushner and their plan for peace in the Middle East is hate Saudi Arabia and other countries out here that hate Israel and hate the United States.
00:53:11
James
You don't really hate us, right? You just hate the fact that we don't like the fact that you're brutal, horrible dictatorship regimes that kill women on the street, you know, for showing their ankles and stuff, right? You hate the fact that we tell you that's wrong. Right? Yes. Satan. Okay, got it. How about this? We stop giving a shit what you do to your people, and we'll give you a whole bunch more weapons.
00:53:40
James
That sound good to you? You do whatever the fuck you want. We'll give you a ton of weapons and make sure that your people will never be able to rise up against you no matter what you do to them.
00:53:51
James
In exchange, just give me some money when we're out of the White House and maybe a few billion dollars. Sound good? Cool. Peace. ah ah That's more, I think that's their peace plan.
00:54:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I see.
00:54:02
James
They got rich, Kushner, that they got tons of money.
00:54:06
James
you know The whole thing with Qatar and everything else. like They don't really care. they're Their peace deal is here. Drop the shit about Israel. We'll give you whatever the fuck you want. And we won't condemn you for your human rights abuses. And we'll give you a whole bunch of money. Cool. Happy. We're all happy now, right? You get rich. I get rich. Cool. Let's drop it. That's their peace deal. It's transactional.
00:54:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That makes sense. That is his MO.
00:54:31
James
I don't think it's I don't think it's I don't think it's it because here I mean first of all Egypt and Palestine Egypt and Jordan and all them they're not taking in the Palestinians They don't want them Jordan's had a problem with Palestinians anyway because they're always right there and tons of Palestinians when they're on their on their land because All the problems always back and forth, you know between Israel and them and other terrorist groups and Hamas a lot of Palestinians live in Jordan and I mean I
00:54:54
James
And Jordan was not too happy about, they don't want to become Palestine, you know what I mean? They want to have their own country and, you know, they're always walking a tightrope, but they don't want to take in an influx of millions of Palestinians, you know?
00:55:07
James
I mean, what could destabilize your country more than millions and millions of impoverished people who've been living with terrorists? And a lot of them might be. Who knows? You don't know who's a terrorist and who's not. You just know there's just millions of people, have no homes, no money, no careers now because their entire world has been destroyed. And now you have as millions and millions of people coming into your country and you have to do something about it. Otherwise, you're going to have millions of more unhappy people living in your country.
00:55:37
James
Nobody wants it. They're not gonna do anything for the Palestinians. So they're not gonna take them in. So then it's either, okay, you either do real ethnic cleansing and eradicate everybody, or it never happens. This whole plan never happens.
00:55:49
James
And, you know, they have giant piles of money that all those Middle Eastern countries do.
00:55:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You don't think they can just be like, but Jordan, what if you had like a giant pile of money?
00:56:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, but they always want more giant piles of money.
00:56:09
James
No, that they they rather just have, they have all the money they need, right? The kingdom, you know it's a kingdom, right? They got a king.
00:56:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Saudi Arabia, yeah, but they're not talking about to sending them to Saudi Arabia. They're talking about sending them to Egypt and Jordan, which doesn't have nearly the money of like Saudi Arabia.
00:56:24
James
Yeah,
00:56:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And mostly the funding for Hamas comes from Iran anyway, not Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and us are kind of bros.
00:56:34
James
yeah but either way, they're not gonna, they're not all cool with, they're not gonna do anything for the Palestinians, man.
00:56:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know. i think that I think that somebody would take a deal to take some Palestinians for some cash. doesn't seem completely implausible to me.
00:56:46
James
All of them? All of them?
00:56:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know, man, maybe like half of them fall off the truck on the way.
00:56:50
James
know
00:56:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know. But I bet you they're going to get them out of Gaza and build those condos. like That's my prediction. My prediction is that they're going to build the condos.
00:57:00
James
Yeah.
00:57:03
James
yeah
00:57:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because it's so frustrating to like, because I remember when it was happening, like when all the genocide Joe shit hit, it was like right after like the TikTok, they were like, hey, let's ban Let's actually do what Trump suggested and ban TikTok.
00:57:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
cause he was the original, the originator of that, that plan.
00:57:22
James
yeah
00:57:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh, Oh, but also, uh, just to like totally correct us from last week. So Trump did have in 2019 that push for diverse hirings for air traffic controllers, but that was a continuation and just like a marketing blitz for an Obama era policy.
00:57:33
James
Yeah. yeah
00:57:42
James
yeah
00:57:46
James
Sorry, I had to hit mute and yelled at my son that his bat's ready.
00:57:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh yes, very important. But yeah, the kids aren't all right. The kids are fucking retarded.
00:57:55
James
Kids are retarded and even the really smart ones who can decode ancient languages are retarded for working with Elon Musk or supporting him Now I will say this I do want to say this real fast because usually every time we record these we only record once a week and
00:57:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is this is what happens when you let China serve 170 million Americans, whatever propaganda benefits them the most.
00:58:16
James
nine times out of 10 within hours or 24 hours of doing a recording. I'm calling Gabe and saying, Oh, see, look at that. This already happened. The P Higgs thing happened the day after. And before that week, before there's something else, i'll like the the fall of, uh, you know, the Syrian government, I was like, man, I'd be surprised if that, that government stands, you know, by next week and literally the next day it was gone. So, anyway, the Elon Musk, there's a injunction right now. Uh,
00:58:43
James
passed today, a few hours ago, right? And they're blocked. They're all blocked, blocked from accessing any more data and getting accessing these computers anymore, you know.
Elon Musk's Legal Battles
00:58:54
James
Anybody who's not Tom Kraus, which is just one employee in the Department of Treasury, Marco Eliz, whatever, you know, the Department of Treasury, a person who is an employee of the Department of Treasury, right?
00:59:06
James
No, so quote, special government employees, which is what they were trying to categorize Doge and Elon Musk and all those people as, they're trying to say they were special government employees because they were not employed by the government.
00:59:18
James
They were just like, uh, free help, the buddies, the contractors, whatever.
00:59:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
In order to to to classify Elon as a government employee, because he has so many contracts, it's literally, it's literally breaking the law.
00:59:26
James
Is a conflict of interest? I know.
00:59:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like I saw the thing that had the law, but I don't remember it off the top of my head, but it it literally is breaking the law.
00:59:31
James
Yes, that is awful.
00:59:34
James
yeah so yeah Any person who is entitled to access under the record under five USC, they have a whole statue of these people and a person who's access relevant record under the IR Internal Revenue Code.
00:59:46
James
So in other words, all of Elon Musk and his buddies and the Doge and all them, they are all now have been blocked from accessing anything until they can go to court. It's like a, you know, injunction until they can go to court.
00:59:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But they're going to go to court and they're going to, he's, they're going to put in the secretary of the treasure. Has it has Trump got his secretary of the treasury in yet? Or is he, is it still not done?
01:00:05
James
It's still not done. They still have a...
01:00:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. Well, they're going to get them in there, whoever it is. They're going to get the, whatever, whatever dipshit it is, they're going to get them in.
01:00:09
James
Well, yeah, but he doesn't know how to do any of this shit on the computers.
01:00:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Right, but then then that guy is going to like fire the guy who who is on the allowed list. All those people are always going to fire all of them and they're going to hire their own cadre.
01:00:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uncle Dipshit is going to come in and Mr. Robot, the fucking computers like it's just like they're they're just going to put someone into the official title slot and then let them do it anyway.
01:00:33
James
Either way...
01:00:39
James
Well, they would have to do that. They would have to say, okay, the 18-year-old kid who is really good at this stuff, he is now the, you know, whatever, this employee. They'd have to hire the person, get the the security clearances, and get everything else that you have to get to be an employee.
01:00:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, you know how Trump treats security clearances. He just goes, give it to him. And then they give it to him.
01:01:01
James
That's true, too. Yeah. God, Pete has said this.
01:01:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But also, they're 19. Come on, man. Respect ah ah respect the youth.
01:01:06
James
this
01:01:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he's not a He's not one of those little tiny little tick tock tired babies.
01:01:10
James
Yeah.
01:01:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he's He's a big grown 19-year-old full of tablet tablet deciphering smarts.
01:01:15
James
yeah
01:01:19
James
Yeah. Anyway, but either way, right now it's on hold. But again, it's kind of like telling the bank robber after he's walked out of the vault with, you know, all of the money is like, Hey, you can't do that any anymore. He's already got the data. They've already been installing shit on the people's computers are already doing stuff.
01:01:37
James
in the FBI, oh my God. I'm glad that the FBI is going to court. It's really sad that the only things are happening in court, but I'm glad that the FBI agents have taken this stuff to court because they're already, you ah Trump already requested that the Department of Justice turn over the all names of all 6,000 FBI people who are in any way and involved in investigating anybody on January 6th, right? Because he wants all of their names and information.
01:02:06
James
Why do you want the names of all 6,000 people? Why do you and Elon want all that?
01:02:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bro, come on, nothing bad has ever happened because of a bunch of people being on a list.
01:02:13
James
Yeah.
01:02:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, that's just never gone wrong ever.
01:02:15
James
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So they got a list.
01:02:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What are you what are you afraid of?
01:02:20
James
So they already got a list with everybody. It's kind of like, some companies, they'll have like employee ID numbers or whatever. Um, there's a lot of companies in this McDonald's does this, right?
01:02:31
James
They might have an employee ID. that'll tie to your records, but all the normal systems you use, you don't show the sensitive information, you just show this other i identifying information, right?
01:02:44
James
It's ah ah it's an ID, right? that way you're not using your social security number. You're not using a real name, right? And they got that list of all 6,000 people. And they did the FBI agents did get a court to put another injunction saying, hey, you can't turn over the other piece, which is to tie those IDs with the names and addresses and social security numbers of all the people.
01:03:07
James
But again, that's just a stopgap. They're going to end up getting the names of everybody. But but yeah, I mean, think about it.
01:03:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
course.
Government Chaos and Economic Impact
01:03:16
James
there can They're trying to control the money. They're trying to get the names of anybody who did anything negative against them. Lists.
01:03:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They're elected. They're doing all the things that they can do. Of course.
01:03:29
James
so
01:03:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I would be much more worried if they weren't trying to flood. Like if Donald Trump was like not trying to just like jam a bunch of bullshit in and make it chaos and like hide you know, hide by way of like a, there's like a million things happening.
01:03:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So you can't pay attention to all of them. I would be more worried if he was just like heads down government as usual, we're going to make the economy hum along.
01:03:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Everything's going to be great. Like he's shooting at his own breakfast.
01:03:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like he's, he's, he's making a big mess that is like going to have the potential to bite him in the ass come the midterms instead of just like, you know,
01:03:58
James
that
01:03:59
James
He's doing what he does and They asked about that even Fox News was asking about that today at a press conference too and they didn't have any good answers for that i they They cited look at what he did during his first term as evidence of that he is going to do everything he can do and
01:04:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Why isn't he just like actually making the price of eggs go down?
01:04:28
James
Yeah, it was kind of stupid. They're like, Hey, you talk about God, they talk about this and there's a Fox news, uh, reporter who was asking and she's like, I come from Fox news.
01:04:38
James
I know you as it was, you know, this is important to us. Blah, blah, blah. Look at this.
01:04:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. So when Trump on January 16th was $6 and 12 cents price today or no, sorry.
01:04:49
James
Jesus.
01:04:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Price as of January 30th, $7 and nine cents price of gasoline, December 16th, $3 and two cents price of gasoline today or February 3rd, $3 and eight cents, 17 days in office for four days spent golfing or 23.53%.
01:04:56
James
Yeah.
01:05:13
James
That's down from his first term, but it's winner.
01:05:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's winter.
01:05:17
James
It is winner.
01:05:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's winter.
01:05:18
James
he said He spent much more time his first term golfing than this term, but this is the middle of winter folks.
01:05:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's, he's just getting started.
01:05:23
James
This is the middle of winter. Just
Amy Klobuchar and Political Hearings
01:05:24
James
think about that.
01:05:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bro, well you can't, you can't golf when you got to sign a hundred executive orders a day. It's like, you gotta, you gotta be out there photo hopping.
01:05:36
James
No, but
01:05:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. I want to like, I want to switch. I want to switch to the Klobuchar talking about the cash Patel hearing.
01:05:42
James
Oh yeah, Cat Patel.
01:05:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Right. So I'm going to link. I'll get the link for the video for this clash this ah ah Amy Klobuchar clip from the Cash Patel director of the FBI hearing. So there's this thing that everyone does in hearings where they ask the person a question that they know they will lie about. And what they need to do is give it a preference, right? Like Amy Klobuchar should have come out and been like,
01:06:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
at You know, my staff and me at work to compile a video showing the ah public statements that Cash Patel has made that I'm about to talk about. And you, good viewer, can go find them at YouTube dot.com slash at Cash Patel said. OK, just repeat that. put it on it hold it up on ah Hold it up on a poster board for the cameras, for the C-SPAN cameras, OK?
01:06:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and say you can find this video of Cash saying literally everything I'm about to ask him about with links to the podcasts where he said it so you can get the full context. And then you don't ask them if they said XYZ. You ask them why they said XYZ. You follow up with what did they hope to accomplish by saying it. Ask them if they talked to Donald Trump about it beforehand. Ask if it landed the way they hoped it would. Leading question.
01:07:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
state specifically that they said the thing out because what they actually do is like, I'm breaking up.
01:07:07
James
You're breaking up. You're breaking up a little bit.
01:07:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Dang it. This is not a good time for that.
01:07:12
James
I know.
01:07:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hopefully the technological issue will write itself.
01:07:15
James
Okay.
01:07:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We'll have to find out. But so like what they actually do is she goes to him and she's like, did you say that on day one, you would close down the FBI headquarters and on day two, you would open it up as a museum of the deep state?
01:07:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Did you say that? And he's like, these lies and slanders are just bad for the FBI and blah, blah, blah. bla You're impugning my integrity and you're a bad person for, for making up all these lies and slander. And it's like, you know, that's what he's going to do. Cause every time you ask one of these like slimy little squirrel fucks, like, you know, did you say the thing that we have you on video saying, they're just like, how dare you impugn my honor, sir. I am a scholar and a gentleman. Like this is just deny, deny, deny, deny. And what happens is.
01:08:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Then Asmongold or, you know, Lex Friedman or whatever dipshit on the right, uh, goes and makes a video about it and they're showing the video. And like, they just see, they see Amy Klobuchar getting really upset that he, she's like, but this is the stuff that he said. There's video of him saying these exact words, word for word. How can he like get away with this? Cause they're operating in this, like this world where,
01:08:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
we're like being caught in a lie or saying something bad or like having shame are things that matter. But there but that's not where we're we're at anymore. Like this thing where you ask them a question, knowing they'll lie and say, gotcha, you're lying. It only works if we all abide by this gentleman's code where we care if we get caught. Like there's no consequence or fallout from the lie and in a flooding, overwhelmed political coup, which is what we're in. It's a complete waste of your time.
01:08:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But if instead she had been like, I'll only put you on blast, you know, and direct to everyone. So then like Aspen gold plays the clip and it like links to the other YouTube video. And then Aspen gold is obliged to go and and look at it. And then he plays the clip, the video of him saying it. Look, if you go to like these right wing people, you see this completely bias take on this thing. You see them just being like, Oh, blah, blah, blah. He seems like a great guy. She's so flustered. Lol.
01:09:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But if she was saying the thing and then you went to the video, like it's like, if you could, you would be more like, if you go to Brian Tyler Cohen, where you go to Brian Tyler Cohen, talking about it, Brian Tyler Cohen plays all the videos and links to the podcasts and the dates.
01:09:28
James
Yeah, but yes, but here, timeout one thing. Who runs Brian Tyler Cohen's show?
01:09:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Brian Tyler Cohen.
01:09:39
James
Yes. Not, not the Senate Republicans. You think that, uh, Chuck Grassley would have allowed that play video in the Senate chamber.
01:09:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
for her to, to, no, she doesn't need, no, she doesn't need to, she doesn't need to play video.
01:09:51
James
good yes
01:09:54
James
Okay.
01:09:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
She needs to say, this is where the video is so that when people watch it, they watch this clip on like Lex Friedman or Aspen gold or whatever other Leo van, you know, pick your right wing influencer of choice.
01:10:07
James
I mean, I get what you're saying, but at at the same time, it doesn't really matter. She's like, you did not say this. No, I did not say that. Let me shut the right. She reads something. They all did. I didn't see her.
01:10:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yes, I'm saying like don't don't ask them if they so don't ask them if they said it because you know, they're going to lie and lying doesn't matter.
01:10:21
James
Yes. Yes, I hear. Well, but technically.
01:10:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No one cares. There's no consequence for it.
01:10:26
James
No, but technically there could be, even though it's never charged, at least the fact that he perjured himself.
01:10:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, bro, this is the same dumb dipshit fucking bringing a bringing a note from from your mom to a fucking fistfight bullshit that Democrats are losing because of.
01:10:35
James
Did happen. I know, but
01:10:44
James
Here's the thing. No, but here's the thing though. It doesn't, in this case, at least what she did do by the phrasing it the way she did it is he actually did commit perjury, right?
01:10:55
James
Cause he actually lied.
01:10:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, he didn it he didn't he didn't say that he didn't say it.
01:10:57
James
its He said they, what do you say? What was his answer exactly?
01:11:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
his answer His answer was like, I'm endorsed by 300,000 members of law enforcement. Ask them about my about my credentials.
01:11:14
James
Well, i saw I saw other ones. I think, shit, was it Elizabeth Warren? I can't remember. I think it was Elizabeth Warren. I remember one of the other people were asking questions and they were kind of doing the same thing.
01:11:25
James
You know, that you said blah, blah, blah.
01:11:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They all did the same thing.
01:11:28
James
And he says, I didn't say that. can you you know I don't think that's the context right. And then she would read off again what he said. He's like, oh, you're just making things up now. I didn't say that. And it's like, no, you did say this.
01:11:39
James
This is unquoted. And he just denied saying it. i mean He literally denied saying the thing that they they did a couple points read off exactly what he said and he just denied it He goes, you know, it's all the Democrats are just making stuff up now.
01:11:53
James
They're just making things up. It's like the same thing Yeah
01:11:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, but but saying, but saying they're just making stuff up is not saying, I never said that. It's like, it's a, it's an artful Dodge. And like, there's a thing, you know, they're going to artfully Dodge.
01:12:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know that there's that even if they, even if they eat shit on the artful Dodge and just like straight lie, like directly lie, the people who would have to hold them to account have no desire to do so.
01:12:19
James
yeah But the thing that sucks is, do you think it would have made one bit of difference?
01:12:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So they're not gonna.
01:12:26
James
Do you think if she asked her questions in a different way, or if any of the Democrats had asked their questions in a different way, do you think it would have caused any of the Republicans to say, well, yeah, no, I know this guy, Cash Patel, I know he already made the book, yo he already said,
01:12:43
James
All these people he wants to lock up and get in the, who's getting in the way of Donald Trump. And he already said that he's going to be as.
01:12:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, no, but that's, but that's, that's not the fight though.
01:12:50
James
fourth No, they're not going to stop in his way.
01:12:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's not the, that's not the battle we're waging the battle that like that fight is already, we already lost that fight. Okay.
01:12:59
James
Yeah.
01:12:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We're fighting the next fight. And the next fight is do the people who are going to vote maybe in two years, if we're lucky, or who are going to protest in a month or six months from now, if we're lucky, do those people know how full of shit this guy is?
01:13:15
James
and here's the thing
01:13:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and That's the that's the battle like she's not gonna get any Republicans to change their mind She's not gonna get him to embarrass himself and drop out.
01:13:17
James
but
01:13:20
James
but
01:13:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's there's gonna be no consequence We all know that there's no consequence So you need to you need to fight the information war on social media because that's how you can win tomorrow like they're They're not even fighting over tomorrow They're just eating shit today coming in knowing they already lost and they're just eating shit They could at least be like taking a swing at tomorrow
01:13:26
James
but
01:13:45
James
And here's the thing. But the other thing is though, right? in way It still doesn't matter. Honestly, I don't think this is a big that big of a deal, right? I mean, I wish but the Democrats could do more. I mean, they they did delay it another week.
01:13:56
James
Yay. They got to hold back another week of him. They got it pushed through today. So hello they're gonna let Robert be through.
01:14:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I can't I can't believe they're gonna let this guy because this is the most like like dumbass failing up like just I told you they're gonna they're gonna let everybody through.
01:14:08
James
they're go let <unk>re They're gonna let Tulsi through. I remember last week, I was like, I don't see Tulsi getting through. They're going to let Tulsi through it. They're going to let RFK through even the doctor that yeah they're going to let everybody through and they are going to let Donald Trump do any thing he wants.
01:14:24
James
We no longer have three branches of government. We got.
01:14:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We haven't had three branches of government for a while.
01:14:31
James
we ab We absolutely had three branches of government when Biden was president. He had an executive branch, he had a legislative branch owned by Republicans who wouldn't let him do shit, and he had a Republican Supreme Court that sometimes would let you know Biden get away with what he wants to, and sometimes it'd say, yeah, Republicans can fuck you over.
01:14:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, but we didn't, we didn't have, we didn't have three branches of government. We had an obstructionist party and a democratic president.
01:14:52
James
Yeah, and then you had courts, and you had courts.
01:14:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's two. That's what we had.
01:14:58
James
Biden won some in courts, they lost some in courts. you know But either way, we no longer have three branches of government currently with the Republicans in the House and Senate. there is They are not in the co-equal branch. They are a sub-turbian branch. They are a wing of the White House.
01:15:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like this is not the time. Well, I mean, I guess it's, I guess.
01:15:18
James
And so whatever Amy Klobuchar how she phrased her questions wouldn't make a difference and right now people are still not tuning in Hearings about who's gonna be a director?
Media Influence and Public Opinion
01:15:29
James
Doesn't make the sexy news, especially when you have a president screaming about taking over Gaza and tariff wars and taking over Greenland and Panama and all this other shit. It's all that is what's drowning everything else out. No one's paying attention to the people and the confirmation hearings. No one's watching C-SPAN and watching these questions. Social media isn't going to be a buzz about how Amy Klobuchar beat up Cash Patel in the hearing when you have a president saying that we're going to take over the Gaza Strip.
01:15:59
James
and they know it. That's what the noise is. That's why when you said, I'm not worried as much with him making all these ranting and raving lunatic things, I'd be more worried about if he was just having his head down. No, if he had his head down, then you might actually hear this shit about Cash Patel and more stuff about what they're doing behind the scenes with what, you know, Elon Musk and Doge and what they're doing here. Donald Trump's making a whole bunch of noise because it's distracting from all this other shit that goes under the radar.
01:16:29
James
Yay, rain, rain on the parade. I mean, do you really think that, do you really think that anything the Democrats would have asked Cash Patel would drown out the fact that Donald Trump said we're going to take over Greenland and Gaza and Panama?
01:16:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, but i do think but I do think that if they are consistently doing the most damage, being the most strategic to put the, the to penetrate the the information bubble of the right, everywhere that it exists, everywhere that they can, if they attack that information bubble ah ah with you know the best possible attack at every possible opportunity,
01:17:11
James
couldn'
01:17:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
they will get in enough truth to peel some people off. And that's the, that's the thing that they need to do.
01:17:15
James
And see, here's what I think. Here's what I think they need to do. The only way to really pierce that information bubble, it's not to make good sound bites for social media by asking questions differently.
01:17:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But like asking this, if she had just said, Hey, if she'd done the thing that I said, then it would have penetrated at least the Asman gold media bubble.
01:17:30
James
It's not even that.
01:17:33
James
It doesn't matter. How does it matter? It would make a difference. Okay, well, I don't even know who Asman Gold is. anyway But here's what I do know. What made bigger news with Democrats did when they actually went out there to the Treasury and a couple senators and they came down there and they went outside the federal buildings that they're getting locked out of by Doge, right?
01:17:54
James
And they actually had big press conferences right there at the buildings. Hey, they're locking you out of this. They're stopping Head Start. They stopped payments for Head Start funding. They stopped this. They stopped this. Look at what they're doing, everybody, and then made a big noise about it to get on big normal media and make a bigger story of it.
01:18:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thank
01:18:10
James
right like it's still is where the fight is still where the majority of the fight is it is no social media is the margins it didn't matter margins matter they okay you
01:18:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
normal legacy media. That's not the place. That's not where the fight is, bro.
01:18:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, it's not it's on social media. 170 million Americans get their news from TikTok, bro. That's 170 million Americans. More people watch Joe Rogan.
01:18:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If you, if you could do an episode of MSNBC, it has a, as a viewership of like 30 to 50,000 people.
01:18:32
James
watch Joe Grogan by yourself
01:18:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If you are a popular, if you're like Rachel Maddow at prime time, you get 30 to 50,000. An episode of Joe Rogan gets you three hours at like 50 million fucking people.
01:18:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's not even close. This idea that like legacy media is going to be like a way to get out any sort of information to anyone who, who fucking matters is nonsense.
01:18:50
James
you know
01:18:56
James
Yeah, here's the thing though, legacy media still drives the story that other people talk about. Maybe people don't watch legacy media, but it hits legacy media first. The people on TikTok and Joe Rogan, what do they talk about? They talk about what's being talked about on legacy media, right? I mean, it makes the big things first. Washington Post gets a story first, and then everybody starts talking about it on the podcasts and everybody else who starts talking about it, right? It still starts there. It still starts with legacy media. And what makes the news, it's not a hearing
01:19:32
James
in a senate chamber or a committee in a senate chamber about somebody that makes a couple little stories but that doesn't dominate the news doing things being out in public in force and showing things that's what still matters and that it's been proven over and over and over again that's like but i was watching this sort a couple other podcasts and they were talking about that they're like it's really sad that right now The courts are the only place, the resistance, if you want to call it that this time around, the only place there there's a resistance is by people filing court things to stop Trump before, like when they had the family separation stuff.
01:20:08
James
right If people weren't out in force, massive rallies, massive protests and marches and things like that, that made the news.
01:20:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thank you.
01:20:18
James
That made them stop stuff. That's what you need. You need big public things, demonstrations out there, not just asking a question a different way and some little back.
01:20:28
James
you But Democrats root should really do. not show up. Don't even show up. Don't even go there. Don't even entertain it because the Republicans are going to vote how they're going to vote. Let them do them.
01:20:39
James
Let the Republicans do everything on their own.
01:20:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh this I agree with.
Democrats' Strategic Actions
01:20:44
James
They will have no votes to get anything done. They will have to agree on everything.
01:20:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Let the dog catch the car.
01:20:48
James
And meanwhile, what do the Democrats do? Don't sit in a fucking Senate chamber for 10 hours where you might get a soundbite on a social media clip out there. Instead, have every single Democrat outside the Senate chamber having a big press conference with bull horns and big screen TVs and just talk about what the Republicans are doing and how they're trying to kill the country and who who these awful people are.
01:21:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
have all of them go on like every single podcast and every single
01:21:16
James
Yeah, go on everywhere go all the legacy media channels can be there watching it and getting streamed. Whoa, this is never happened before Every single senate democrat is outside the chamber as republicans are having a hearing on Fucking brainworm roadkill eer eater to be the head of the health and human services and they're all out here
01:21:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, but then the Hill is going to be like, oh, the Democrats are just abdicating their duties and they're not doing they're not even trying to do their job and they're they're late they're absent.
01:21:43
James
What duties? They can walk in there and all vote no. That's all they have to do is go in there and vote no and say, hey, yeah, they have the majority. We'll walk in there when it's time to vote and we'll all say no. Everybody knows we're gonna vote no, because this person isn't qualified. What the fuck do you want us to do? That guy's a fucking joke.
01:21:58
James
Why entertain it? And instead, you can get all the media attention, everybody out there talking to everybody the entire day. What would be more beneficial? Sitting in a Senate chamber for 10 hours or talking to everybody the entire day when you have old man Chek Graslie out there and somebody else talk about, well, Cash Patel, i think you're I think you've gotten a bad rap. I know that you love these insurrectionists, but you're not really going to get revenge on everybody you said you would, right? No, works for me. All right, well, that's all I needed here. You know what I mean? I mean, you know what I mean? They could do so much more. Don't even show up. And then when the when they do get their people confirmed, right, because they're going to confirm them anyway, apparently, no matter how unqualified they are, after they get them confirmed, and they would need to do a deal, they need to have a budget deal, don't show up. Maybe if Republicans own it. Let them do it.
01:22:57
James
When shit falls apart, they own it. Why bail them out? Don't bail them out. Let them do it. And then meanwhile, you can spend all of your time just going to the media, going everywhere. Yes, you can do podcasts, you can do legacy media, just spend all day long talking about how horrible they are.
01:23:12
James
And then you can say, we're not obstructing shit. We're not obstructing anything. They are going to self-immolate.
01:23:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, it did, it did seem ridiculous at first when Trump was like, I'm just going to always be on tour, bitches.
01:23:19
James
They are self-immolating. We're not going to take part in this destruction of our democracy.
01:23:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like I'm just, I just won the presidency tomorrow night.
01:23:32
James
Yeah.
01:23:34
James
Let's do it.
01:23:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We rally at dawn, like, like every day a rally, you know?
01:23:38
James
Democrats should do that. Let's go out there and talk to you all day.
01:23:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But like Democrats should do that. Democrats should just be in your town, in your living room, on your TV, on your phone, on your magazine, newspaper, at fucking Walmart shaking hands, just like, yeah, no, that's, that would be great.
01:23:44
James
All day, every day.
01:23:51
James
Yeah.
01:23:56
James
Yeah, I think they're not gonna do the oversight. Republicans already said they're not, they're already shown they're not gonna stand up to anything. They're gonna look the other way on anything. They're gonna rely on, they're gonna cross their fingers and hope that civil servants don't all get fired and hope that the courts don't let the worst abuses happen. And meanwhile, they're pretty powerless to do anything about it anyway for real. You know what I mean? They're a minority party, so just fucking do that.
01:24:25
James
Go out there and call the the trump crime crime Trump crime family 24-7 and go on tour about how horrible they are and how they're destroying the the country and just whip people up into fear about it and hope that elections matter in the future.
01:24:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So perfect segue into the new DNC chair, Ken Martin. Do you think this is what he's going to do? What do you think his deal is?
01:24:50
James
No.
01:24:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What do you think about this guy?
01:24:51
James
I sadly don't. I mean, I do think that, I mean, Ken Martin has said, you know, they want to build a bigger party, go out into rural places, talk, you know, talk to people, you know.
01:25:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He wished that I should be campaigning year-round.
01:25:04
James
Yeah, campaigning year round.
01:25:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He was saying that they should be speaking to and voting to the interests of people in labor and not big party donors.
01:25:12
James
Yeah, that's true, too. You know, I like him. I like the guy. and
01:25:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, I heard that he called 200 of the voters and gave it, it did two hour conversations with each of them.
01:25:25
James
Mm hmm.
01:25:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like that's 10, that's 10 full time weeks or five 80 hour weeks of like, you know, just like,
01:25:31
James
know Yeah.
01:25:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
press in the flash
01:25:36
James
Yeah. And so that is what they need and they need people.
01:25:42
James
It's true, like you just talked about how people are all feel so disconnected from politics and it's totally true. And like I was saying this earlier today, we're talking about, you know, ah like like all the people who like, you know,
01:25:55
James
My child again was asking, he's like he's like, why did so many people not vote? why did people Why did so many people not vote or why don't they care, right? I'm like, a lot of people, they just know that their lives have sucked for a long time. Man, my life has sucked for 15, 20 years. You know, I've never really gotten ahead. I've always struggled. I've been struggling for 15 years. I'm going to struggle the next five years. and they've I struggled when a Democrat was president. I struggled, struggled when a Republican was president. I'm working all damn day and my life,
01:26:23
James
hasn't gotten any better. So I don't give a shit and I don't vote. Boom. That's what they think. You know, and a lot of people think that way, right? And so they're disconnected from politics. As a result, they don't watch the news at all. And it's in some ways, it's kind of true in some ways, depending on where you live. If you turned off all social media, and you turned off all the televisions, and you didn't look at a newspaper, you just went to work and nobody talked about the events of the day, right?
01:26:53
James
Would you notice a difference from eight years ago and yesterday?
01:26:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If you worked in construction, you probably would. If you owned a produce farm, you would.
01:27:02
James
You think so? You think so? On the normal day to day of just doing the job?
01:27:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah ah Yeah, I mean, I mentioned those places specifically because like immigrants are getting deported and they're getting, they're mostly picking the, you know, these deadbeats who, who are just criminals. They're picking them up at work.
01:27:20
James
Yeah, in some places, not everywhere. I mean, obviously, like if if you live in India, there are a lot of people, for a lot of people, but yeah, yeah, most people would never know a difference.
01:27:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So but to your point. To the, to the, I'm just being contrary to like, to the vast majority of your point. Yes. Most people wouldn't know lots of people wouldn't know.
01:27:31
James
They wouldn't pay.
01:27:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yes.
01:27:31
James
Yeah, might like ah ah you know exactly. They're just gonna, they don't think it cares. They don't think anything matters. They disconnect. They disengage. They don't pay attention to what's going on. They don't know what's going on. They don't know how politics affects them, you know?
01:27:45
James
So that is why the Democratic Party needs to go out there and do organizing, actually, talk to people who have checked out of politics and let them know, what does the government actually do for you? Did you know it was this? So pissed off that Biden didn't shove it down everybody's throats 24 seven. Every time we got fiber, we got a bridge or we got something like that. It's like, hey, I live out in a place with population 2000. You know what I mean? Fiber internet was never going to come to this community.
01:28:17
James
It wasn't because a couple hundred people were really hoping we'd get good internet. You know what I mean? It wasn't like that. We didn't get all the stuff here because of that. We got it because of Biden.
01:28:28
James
You know what I mean? Nobody knows that shit. This area is so Republican, they have no clue that the reason the bridge, you know, a couple miles away got fixed is because of, you know, because of Biden.
01:28:40
James
They have no clue.
01:28:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So they I saw a bunch of things around here where it'd be like, it's like a bridge, like this bridge is being rebuilt.
01:28:45
James
and
01:28:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it would be like, this is because of Biden and the infrastructure act of blah, blah, blah.
01:28:50
James
know
01:28:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And there would be like, I saw a whole bunch of those things where like it says on the sign, like this is happening because of Biden. So like they weren't, they weren't doing something similar in your area.
01:29:02
James
Proclaiming it loud No, I live no No, i live I live in a red area.
01:29:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like they didn't put up a sign that said like brought to you by Biden.
01:29:13
James
They probably wouldn't have allowed that but there maybe be
01:29:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They would have burned the bridge. so
01:29:19
James
uh but yeah i mean but either way i mean democrats should have been out there they should they shouldn't have been a sign it shouldn't be a sign that nobody pays attention to it should have been the local democratic party out there with bull horns and a local paper and talking to people and going to the school hey guys tell your parents blah blah blah you know i mean it should have been anything it should have been it
01:29:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It should be, it should be AOC and Chris Murphy on tour with Rage Against the Machine and Chance the Rapper, just like doing a pre-show 15 minutes of blah, blah, blah, out there with Taylor Swift.
01:29:53
James
Yeah.
01:29:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, let me tell you about why your vote matters. This would, this is what Biden did for you.
01:29:59
James
Yeah.
01:30:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
01:30:02
James
yeah
01:30:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Totally agree. That should be the strategy. Full core press. Just go talk, just talk to people every day for two years and see what happens at the end of the time.
01:30:06
James
Yeah, full core press every time we did it. And like, that's why JB Pritzker was talking about is so pissed that press conference I was talking about, you know, there's a lot of little things that people never realized.
01:30:21
James
Elon Musk and them didn't realize when they shut the shit off for a day. You know what I mean? There's so much stuff that they're like, oh yeah, just cut that shit, cut that shit, oh that's, they just cut that shit off, turn that shit off. And all of a sudden, people realize, holy shit, meals, what, this happened?
01:30:35
James
What, the school, did this happen? This funding, this funding? What? And then people realize, oh shit, that's the federal government pays for that? Wow, they don't know. People don't know what they don't know, you know?
01:30:46
James
And so,
01:30:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
01:30:48
James
People don't know what they don't know, man.
01:30:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The studying Kruger effect.
01:30:50
James
Yeah, they don't know what they don't know.
01:30:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They don't know what they don't know.
01:30:51
James
And if they knew, like the thing, people think, oh, I pay my taxes, I'm going to get shit for it. You know, and yes, I mean, like, like, oh, Jesus, you know, like when they were talking about, uh, who was it?
01:31:04
James
Um, Oh God, was it, was it common? No, who was it that, uh, Oh God, years ago when the election, like, like, or was it Obama and then when they're talking about like, when they're talking about like, you didn't build that
01:31:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Help me help you, bro. Give me something to go off. What are you, what are you reaching for?
01:31:17
James
Like if you own a business and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you didn't, you didn't do that by yourself. I think it was Obama actually you talked about it. You didn't just do that yourself. You had the roads, you had this, you had this, you didn't just make the business out of thin air taxes paid for the roads that paid for the things that get people to your business.
01:31:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The socialism. Yeah. Like the schools that educated your workers for free.
01:31:33
James
You had other infrastructure.
01:31:34
James
honey mean Yeah. But there's so much stuff that the federal government provides that nobody realizes the federal government. And it's easy. Oh, the government doesn't do shit. Right. But if they knew all the shit that the government does do, right.
01:31:48
James
You know, and they knew how it affects them.
01:31:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
As soon as they do it wrong, they know.
01:31:52
James
Yeah, they only pay attention when shit goes wrong, you know, they only know when stuff goes wrong and Yeah, let them do it all man and let them bomb out now the problem with that strategy is Yes, they will destroy a whole bunch of shit
01:31:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's your point, man. Just let the Republicans fuck it all up.
01:32:12
James
And a lot of people make the argument, hey, if you want to be a good opposition party, you have to try to salvage what you can and save things from being totally destroyed. Because are you really doing the people's work? If you're not trying every little parliamentary tactic and slowing things down and acting like you're negotiating something when you're really going to be Joe Manchin and just tying it up for a year and a half.
01:32:30
James
You know what I mean? I mean, that also has its place.
01:32:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, I mean, you could do, you could do both. You could do both.
01:32:34
James
Yeah, you can. But the Democrats need to. they Yeah, they need to do both. But uh it's gonna be rough man i don't know you yeah its
01:32:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I love this strategy. I think that's, I think that's the perfect way to get around to like information bubbles is just like, be like, Hey, I'm going to be. in your town on Thursday, like roll up, say hi.
01:32:59
James
yeah And you think about it when but they're talking about the press now, and you know, like they're talking about Joe Scarborough and Mika. And actually like after Trump won, they like went down to Mar-a-Lago and they started being a little nicer to him, right? Because they were going to get access and talk about access journalism. That's what all the media companies, all the legacy media companies, what they're all doing is they're trying to suck up to Trump a little bit to get access so they can still be in the press room and they can still do these things.
01:33:24
James
And so the bear know media is a sucker for access. Give them access 24 seven, you know, Hey, you can be right here on the front lawn of, you know, the white house where all the Democrats are going to have their press conference right outside the rows of the white house, you know,
01:33:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. like get get yeah a AOC is going on tour with Taylor Swift and and she's got the Washington Post has got a ride along you know embedded reporters just with her every day 24 seven constantly blogging about it.
01:33:44
James
something.
01:33:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, absolutely.
01:33:52
James
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I just thought that just popped in my head, but that's actually not a bad place to have a presser. Have all of a sudden the Democrats walk out and go to the White House right outside the grounds there, you know, and invite all the media for the show.
01:34:09
James
You know what I mean? Why not?
01:34:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:34:10
James
Shit. That's as good a venue as any, right? Right on his doorstep.
01:34:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:34:14
James
Right on his doorstep.
01:34:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just do the, do a democracy tour, upstage, upstage his rallies, you know, put a fucking, have a rally with like whoever, whatever music star you can get to come, you know, get killer Mike to, to do a, to play.
01:34:18
James
Yeah.
01:34:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then Chris Murphy and Jamie Raskin to talk, you know, like the same day as the Donald Trump rally, just steal his audience.
01:34:32
James
Yeah.
01:34:37
James
And honestly, here, if you had, say you had, I don't know, let's say 40 senators and 150 House members call every news outlet in America, right, and invite all of their constituents to come to a march, then maybe they marched to the White House,
01:35:01
James
that might make news and then maybe just maybe maybe you uh i don't know have a sit-in at the white house outside and right outside surround the entire place outside you know and just sit there and have all the news cameras and everybody else out there and all your people i mean shit if you're on an enemies list anyway if you're on an enemies list anyway
01:35:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, probably would make some news.
01:35:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Better bring your gas masks for that one. You know what you know what Trump does?
01:35:23
James
Yeah, but you're on an enemies list. Anyway, hey flex a little bit, man. Let's see if they're willing to do it on national TV with every news outlet watching with all of you there and a bunch of people watching and all the cameras rolling, man.
01:35:35
James
Is it going to become a dictatorship or you know, why not get some news, do something, do something big, you know, make people see that you're out there, not just hearing.
01:35:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bro, why didn't you run for a DNC chair shit?
01:35:50
James
I don't know.
01:35:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i like I like all of it. I like but i like the whole the whole thing.
01:35:57
James
But that is one thing that actually ah ah that guy Ken Martin said, you know, or yeah Ken Martin, he's like, people need to see it. It's got to be more concrete. You know, we we we're we're past the point of being able to earn people's votes based on the status quo or just hope.
01:36:10
James
He says people need to see that you're doing things, be out there publicly and demonstrating that you're doing things. You know, and they wanted to be doing that. Be out there in the face, man. I mean, civil rights didn't happen because people had hearings and convinced people in the courts that equality was a good thing.
Public Protests and Civil Rights
01:36:31
James
They did it because they went to the streets and protested and got on TV and talked all the time and had marches. And that's what you got to do, man. You know, that's what you got to do.
01:36:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Got the press out to the bridge in Selma to see the violence.
01:36:44
James
Yeah.
01:36:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I think that like, I think that like, you know, in 2016, Trump, Trump didn't just kill the Republican party. You know, like he didn't just like take them, ah ah you know, everyone who was Republican classic is like been ousted from the party.
01:37:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Everyone who's not willing to kiss the ring is out one way or another. Right. Uh, and the entire way that they do politics is just like, who can be the bigger sycophant?
01:37:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, that's the whole game now. But I don't think he just killed the Republican party. He killed the Democratic party also. Like there's, there can be no more of this business as usual. It's reinvent or remain dead. Like, cause they're already dead. This election like showed us anything. It's that they're dead. Like a party that's like, ah, we're going to stick with the zombie and then like, Oh yeah. Okay, fine. I, you're right. He is a zombie though. So how about like,
01:37:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know, his protege who no one wanted a few years ago, get excited. Like this is not like good strategy from like a successful, powerful party, you know? Like this is not the strategically we need.
01:37:58
James
Yeah, no I don't know. I don't know.
01:37:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like, but a democratic party that's like in the streets and like knows your mom's name and what, why she's in the hospital, like that,
01:38:07
James
Yeah?
01:38:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's a whole different animal, you know, your representative on tour, you know, your representative hanging out at the library, you know, inviting you to come down and like, you know, ask questions and check out a few books.
01:38:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like that shit is powerful.
01:38:26
James
Yeah.
01:38:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:38:28
James
But, yeah. Yeah, they would say all politics is local.
01:38:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, that's the way you cut through. Like, you know, I mean, like, yeah, no algorithm is like, is there in person?
01:38:40
James
Yeah.
01:38:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, like that's the thing was like, with like in person, like even like, I don't know if you saw this, but like, you know, Bill Maher has like a, a podcast called club random.
01:38:41
James
and
01:38:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And he recently had Matt Gaetz on and you know, he's talked so much shit about Matt Gaetz and he gets him in the room and Matt Gaetz is talking to him about this and that and stuff. And he's just like,
01:39:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's being really candid and he sounds really sane and he's like, you're not at all what I thought you were. Like, I thought you were this like, smarmy little asshole. And he's like, well, no, like I didn't take money from these people. I was self-funded and I pissed a lot of people off because I didn't agree with this and that. And I was for these things and this blah, blah, blah. And like, there's a difference between sex for money and sex and money and just on and on and on and on. And, you know, like,
01:39:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
even somebody who you like have this like shit opinion of, or like when people meet Trump even, you know, they say that he's actually really charming, that he does the work of like making you feel seen and making you feel important and making you feel like he's interested in you. Like it's one thing to be like, horrible Chuck Schumer. It's another thing to like shake his hand and like listen to him talk for 40 minutes and like have him listen to you, you know, like, and then you go and tell people about the experience that you had. And if he does it, like,
01:40:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know, 20 times a year, a lot of people are going to go and have that experience and then run tell about it.
01:40:10
James
yeah
01:40:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's, that could be the kind of reinvention that we need.
01:40:15
James
look
01:40:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That sounds, it sounds amazing, honestly.
01:40:20
James
pretty interesting though I have a just sit out there when you're talking about social media and everything anything else, you know.
01:40:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm.
01:40:26
James
And I was just wondering about this when we're talking about politics being local and social media and who's following stuff in younger and older. It's actually
Media Consumption Trends
01:40:32
James
pretty good. pre Pew Research actually did a big study here, right?
01:40:37
James
And look at age brackets, 18 to 29, 30 to 49, 50 to 64, and 65 and above, right? They segmented in those four different age brackets. And they're looking at every social media platform and what percentage of people use it.
01:40:54
James
in those different age brackets, right? And it's pretty good. I mean, I wish I could have sorted it. It's on the, you know, it's on their site here where they have it, like percentage of views that use it, right? Facebook. Oh, overwhelmingly majority use Facebook. 68% of people 18 to 29, 78% people 30 to 49, 70% of people 50 to 64, and 59% of people over 65, right?
01:41:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
sir I'm shocked. I would have thought the younger age groups would have used it much like they use it for Facebook marketplace and messenger or they mean.
01:41:28
James
this Facebook no they separate Instagram you know like Instagram is separate even though if it's you know same company they don't mention that they just put Facebook they had Facebook and Instagram so I'm guessing messengers Facebook and like they have Instagram 76 percent of 18 to 29 66 percent 30 to 49 36 huge drop-off 50 64 and 19 percent 65 older it's definitely the younger people right yeah YouTube obviously number one
01:41:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What about marketplace and messenger. OK, OK, OK.
01:41:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. That one makes more sense. That's more what I would have expected.
01:41:57
James
93 percent 18 to 29 94 percent 30 to 49 86 percent 50 to 64 65 percent of people 65 and older but again anything yeah because it's everything but and YouTube has an algorithm man it it doesn't usually just show you rando stuff it shows you stuff like based on what you watch you know I mean we all do but all acts
01:42:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Dude, YouTube gets more viewership than like but the rest of the video. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. They all do that for sure.
01:42:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I think YouTube is more what you're interested in than stuff that's going to make you angry and be contentious.
01:42:23
James
yeah
01:42:27
James
Yeah, maybe like X, Twitter.
01:42:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
X's algorithm is like, would you like to see what Elon wants you to know today?
01:42:33
James
Oh, you looked up, yeah.
01:42:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We have a website for that.
01:42:36
James
Oh, you looked up ah ah SpongeBob SquarePants? Here's Charlie Kirk.
01:42:42
James
yeah Oh, you wanted to see what Nelson Mandela said? Donald Trump is like Nelson Mandela, you know.
01:42:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this was
01:42:51
James
Yeah, so anyway.
01:42:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
here's here's Here's Donald Trump talking about Nelson Mandela's cock.
01:42:52
James
the
01:42:55
James
if Yeah, I mean, whatever. And then that one's in the ground, man. 38% of people 18 to 29, 25% of people 30 to 49, 15% of people 50 to 64, 8%, 65 and over, right?
01:43:09
James
It's down there like with Snapchat, Reddit, Be Real, almost numbers, you know what I mean? So, I mean, social media, but...
01:43:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
be I mean, that's a success story for Be Real, but Snapchat's
01:43:20
James
No, Be Real is even smaller. Snapchat's huge for the young.
01:43:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Snapchat's huge.
01:43:23
James
Yeah, but only if you're young.
01:43:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Snapchat's huge. Reddit's also huge. Reddit just had a big IPO.
01:43:27
James
only if you're young man like snapchat 65% 18 to 29 down to 32% for 30 to 49 or it's just young people and read it read it's the same thing 46% of people 1829 down to 35 for 30 to 49 year olds and then it's like down to nothing 11% for people who are 50 4% over 65 you know I mean well
01:43:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, no, it's just kids. like i My son uses uses Snapchat constantly.
01:43:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Reddit is probably the best though like redit is probably the best social media that we have.
01:43:55
James
I don't know either way
01:43:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because because it's the user, it's like it's engagement surfaced, not algorithmically surfaced.
01:43:57
James
All I'm saying is that social media stuff. So, yeah but either way, the point is though, right? The highest numbers, I mean, you have say like Facebook, Instagram and Instagram really isn't political stuff, man.
01:44:12
James
I don't, I mean, some people talk on Instagram, but not usually it's not.
01:44:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Chris Murphy's out there on Instagram, senator Senator Warren, Bernie Sanders, AOC.
01:44:17
James
Yeah, people do stuff.
01:44:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I see him all the time.
01:44:21
James
Yeah. They do their clips and stuff like that and they post it out there. But what I'm saying is this, there's a few little niche things here, right?
01:44:29
James
But what they don't poll, what they don't look at in survey is how many of these people still watch legacy media, right? That's social media.
01:44:40
James
Yes.
01:44:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Nielsen does, Nielsen does that though.
01:44:42
James
Yeah, but just because like, you know, 65% of young people look at Snapchat and okay, 30% of people look at Facebook doesn't mean that they're actually consuming most of their news on those platforms.
01:44:55
James
And just because somebody watches Joe Rogan doesn't mean they don't watch the six o'clock news. You know what I mean?
01:45:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bro, no one watches the 6 o'clock news, because no one has the fucking news.
01:45:03
James
A lot of people do. There's there's everything. There's the local channel, the digital things. there's ah ah You can watch it on the streaming services. If you're watching the streaming services, you have live news and you have CBS. I don't even have satellite or cable anymore.
01:45:15
James
And I can still watch NBC and CBS and ABC news on there. It's just a streaming.
01:45:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
where do you want Where do you watch those?
01:45:20
James
You just hit the, no, just hit the home button and watch TV.
01:45:20
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
On the website?
01:45:24
James
And it just, they're on there. they're It's like one of the free things. You can just watch them.
01:45:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know. My TV doesn't do that. I don't have CBS.
01:45:29
James
It does. It's a smart TV. I guarantee you it does it. You just don't look at it. I guarantee it.
01:45:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't have, I don't have a thing telling me about CBS.
01:45:36
James
You don't have a live TV setting, a live TV streaming like app.
01:45:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, no.
01:45:42
James
What kind of TV do you have?
01:45:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I have a Sony.
01:45:45
James
Inquiring minds want to know, okay, Sony, what model?
01:45:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bro, I gotta go like turn this thing around and like, look at that. I don't know. It's a, it's decent.
01:45:52
James
I, is it a, is it a, is it a, is it a, is it a fire TV or like a Roku TV or what?
01:45:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's 4k.
01:45:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, it's a go it's a Google. Google does this stuff for Sony TVs.
01:46:01
James
Okay. It's a Google TV. All right. So Google TV, the Google TV, I guarantee you.
01:46:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It has like all the streaming ads, but I don't have any like lie. I don't have a live TV thing.
01:46:13
James
I'm sure.
01:46:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'll tell you what, on my on my remote, there's a button for TV. That button goes to a channel.
01:46:18
James
Yeah. That's.
01:46:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I just I just set that channel to like the HDMI for gaming.
01:46:23
James
Well, it's an ad.
01:46:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If I if I got like a if I got like an antenna and put it on there, I could probably. But no, I don't I don't I don't have I mean, maybe I'm not saying they can't do it, but I don't have I don't have it.
01:46:30
James
Oh, Lifting the Sports.
01:46:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's not like obvious for me.
01:46:37
James
Oh wow.
01:46:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And I don't, I just like just to go back slightly more towards the topic.
01:46:39
James
Anyway.
01:46:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't think that, uh, I think that like a lot of people, like millennials and younger are not looking at legacy TV.
01:46:44
James
Mm-hmm.
01:46:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like we all saw the cable bills rising up and like the price of Netflix and the offerings of Netflix being so much better and like YouTube being more interesting. And we were just like, yeah, I'm good.
01:47:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm good. Comcast go fuck yourself. I don't even pay you $300 a month so I can have. 47 channels of shit that I can't even choose what to watch when I want the key I got a you do and then there's commercials on top of it.
01:47:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just like lol. Fuck yourself Like those media companies are dying. They're switching to streaming or they're dying But like but like the reach of like a TV show like a primetime news TV show like a like a six o'clock news or like a Rachel Maddow on MSNBC like
01:47:20
James
That's the younger people. I don't want to look at that though.
01:47:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Again, it's like it's less than 100,000 people a night.
01:47:39
James
You're talking about 100,000 nights.
01:47:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The of ah of a big podcast is tens of millions of people.
01:47:45
James
No. That's not true. 100,000? No. i mean The media, like the, like the Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, it's like that. Their numbers dropped in the wake of like the Trump, you know, election big time, but it's been coming back and it's still in the millions.
01:47:58
James
I mean, we talked about how, no, it's still in the millions. Watch.
01:48:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
millions
01:48:01
James
Yeah. yeah
01:48:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know. I heard something different.
01:48:04
James
Yeah.
01:48:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm surprised. Where are you seeing millions?
01:48:07
James
Uh, it's here. I'll go here. Uh, as of January 4th, here we go. Uh, while Fox news MSNBC and CNN did see a rise in ratings, the latter two networks, all the biggest post-election drop-offs as politics, weary viewers have turned out.
01:48:26
James
here we go.
01:48:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I Google legacy media TV viewership numbers and I see like free falling media's grim prospects, pride and expectation, the death of legacy news.
01:48:27
James
let's do Yeah. Yeah.
01:48:32
James
There you go. MSNBC. Yeah. Fox MSNBC averages 1.22 million a night right now. This is, uh, you know, yeah.
01:48:44
James
In a total day, Fox News averages 1.46 million a day. Followed by MSNBC and the day 7091000. Yeah, it's in the millions.
01:48:54
James
I mean, it's still in the millions.
01:48:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay but Joe Rogan joe rogan has 19 million subscribers and 5.79 billion total views.
01:49:01
James
So that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean.
01:49:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What do you mean it doesn't mean anything?
01:49:06
James
Dude. All right. Disclaimer, everybody. I have subscribed to this YouTube channel on two different accounts. And you know what? I've only watched an episode and a half. But Julian has contributed to at least four or five views of it.
01:49:31
James
Bots subscribe all the time. Bot farms oftentime subscribe. subscribe. And then they take a clip or something and they'll spread stuff out there, especially with Joe Rogan.
01:49:42
James
Yeah. This bot farm spread Joe Rogan clips like fucking herpes. You know what I mean?
01:49:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Joe Rogan gets like 14, like I'm just, I'm just, I googled, I'm just looking at some random picture, but it shows, it shows on Spotify shares podcast follower count.
01:49:46
James
wish
01:49:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Joe Rogan experience 14.5 Ted talks daily 5 million caller daddy 3.7 million crime junkie 3.3 million. Oh, you know what? Just to go off topic for a little bit.
01:50:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
In an earlier episode, I can't remember if it was one of the ones we recorded or not, but we were complaining about how Kamala Harris didn't do Joe Rogan.
01:50:14
James
Yeah.
01:50:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Well, I heard that Kamala Harris had a deal to do Joe Rogan.
01:50:21
James
Oh, really?
01:50:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yes. And that Elon Musk got Joe Rogan to cancel it the day before.
01:50:27
James
Not do it. Oh, look at that. Wow.
01:50:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:50:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So she did try to go on Joe Rogan and it was, it was no questions off the table, three hours. And Elon Musk, Elon Musk squashed it.
01:50:32
James
Wow.
01:50:40
James
okay
01:50:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, so yeah.
01:50:45
James
Oh, by the way, Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan, at least, here, bot farmed about, there's Russian bot farms that apparently were also subscribing and tweeting out Joe Rogan clips.
01:50:55
James
And apparently I'm reading here.
01:50:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know it's It's disappointing. It's really disappointing about Kamala. I just like, you know, Kamala is like, Kamala is like the best candidate in the wrong time. Like if you wanted to have like,
01:50:59
James
but fun the for
01:51:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If you, if you were in like 2004 and you were like, what would be the most like rock star female candidate possible it's Kamala Harris. Like, you know, she's like, she's mixed race.
01:51:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
She's like tough on crime, but like still progressive. Like she's like such a package. She's, she's positive. She's fantastic.
01:51:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
She's like super smart, crushes a fucking debate, you know, appeals
01:51:38
James
She was And and and this is gonna sound very sexist liberals urns today and she was smoking hot She was I still think she was attractive anyway, which is older but younger when she was younger.
01:51:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I think, I think, I think she's attractive. I wouldn't say smoking hot, but she's, she's very attractive.
01:51:54
James
That's when remember like when Barack Obama got in trouble when she was younger
01:51:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, and she was dating Montel Williams.
01:51:58
James
Well, no and remember when Barack Obama was first president, he first like saw her or something like that. There was something about like, he said something about her being hot. Remember that was like almost a scandal.
01:52:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't remember that at all, but I believe you.
01:52:08
James
Yeah. Yeah.
01:52:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But anyways, like, but like, you know, she would have been like, she is, she is like the whole package for like what politics was. you know, before Donald Trump.
01:52:23
James
Yeah.
01:52:26
James
Yeah, well, I don't know.
01:52:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We got to live, we got to live in reality and not having a primary is just like a ah dumb fuck move.
01:52:30
James
I just wish we would have had Hillary.
01:52:43
James
Oh, yeah, there was Obama said that she was the best looking attorney general in the country ah through and when he was president.
01:52:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Sure, Michelle, love that.
01:52:54
James
11 years ago. 11 years ago. It was in the news. Nora O'Donnell was talking about how he said she was the best looking attorney general.
01:53:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
When you're right, you're right. OK, I'm going to bring us towards towards an end point with a rant.
01:53:06
James
All right.
01:53:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK, I'm going to explain why I think you should expect the worst from the government, a rant. okay
01:53:18
James
Yeah, I expect it.
01:53:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh god that wrote a great book called the happiness equation something like that. I don't know if that's the exact name I think it's it something like that the happiness equation And it he boils down happiness to the simple equation happiness is when expectation matches reality The more you know your expectations don't aren't met by reality the more unhappy you are So to balance yourself expect the worst expect it from every system that protects you from the government, from the Democrats, from the Republicans, definitely from the president, but also from your community, from your job. On that cheery note, I predict concentration camps. We'll call them detention centers. I predict family sundering mass deportation, crying children. I predict the grannies and good neighbors, the good hombres who are brown immigrants will be deported.
01:54:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I predict the deportations to be much more expensive and cruel than they could be. I think American citizens will end up in the detention centers, first criminals, then other vulnerable people like trans LGBTQ, then protesters, then dissidents, then political opponents. I think this is a two year timeline. Like this is coming soon, coming fast. I predict a lot of Palestinians to die as a result of being forced to move to a dozen or so towns spread across the Middle East and for Gaza to become the 51st state or another Puerto Rico with a big American military presence and massive dumps of taxpayer money into sketchy construction projects and other private equity.
01:54:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I predict the gas prices will go up. Inflation will go up. Egg prices will go up. Bird flu will spread to humans and get worse.
01:55:06
James
It already already has.
01:55:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Tulsi and RFK will get in. Hulsey will give Russia secrets. Our allies will stop giving us intel, and this will be used as a pretext to abandon NATO.
01:55:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I predict Trump will give Putin Ukraine overtly or simply by inaction or by using peace as a cover for something Trump Tower Gaza-esque. The beatings will continue until we go full Gilead. you know Project 2025, President Kevin Roberts said this is a coup that will remain bloodless as long as the left allows it and he meant it.
01:55:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's accurate. Act accordingly. Don't be disappointed when Tulsi gets in. Don't be disappointed when ah RFK gets in. Don't be disappointed when we have a vaccine for the the bird flu after it's fucking murdering people worse than COVID and taking the vaccine isn't mandated and mask mandates aren't allowed.
01:56:07
James
Or punished.
01:56:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Don't be surprised. Yeah. Or punished.
01:56:10
James
Punished for wearing a mask in Indiana.
01:56:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like don't be surprised. Expect this. So like, you know, and here's the benefit of this. If you expect all this horrible shit to happen, if it doesn't, that's a win.
01:56:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's like, Oh, wow. Okay. I want a little small lottery. I've just won. How nice, how nice. Like this is the way that you survive in this set of timeline. You got to set your, the bar is in hell, you know?
01:56:38
James
Yep.
01:56:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but the bar Put the bar on the floor and then dig a hole and shove it down. like This is the way, in my opinion. So that's that's my my advice to you, dear listener.
01:56:53
James
yeah And my closing thoughts are this.
01:56:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Any closing thoughts, James?
01:56:58
James
As a friend of ours, a former colleague and his wife, a widow, I guess you'd say, right? shared a little thing on on facebook and uh alluded to a story here that i actually read on history ah.com go to history dot.com story called how the nazis were inspired by jim crow it's actually a really good read because people always talk about comparing trump to nazi and the nazis and germans and it's such a horrible analogy in god that's why do you do the nazi analogy well the thing is
01:57:32
James
The Nazis didn't come up with
Historical Influences on Politics
01:57:33
James
this shit. They actually sent people to the US and they studied the US s laws. They studied American history to come up with their model.
01:57:43
James
They said they said American in the earliest 20th century was the leading racist jurisdiction in the world, right? So the Nazi lawyers were very interested in looking at American race law right to get inspired Said one of the most striking views Nazis had is good It was a suitable racist program in the United States because American blacks were already oppressed and poor But in Germany, the Jews were rich and powerful. They had to take more serious measures But so they looked at how the US s had come up with these things. And they looked at how the the the laws in America worked, and what got them there. And they just simply said, all right, these things work. And we just have to take a little farther here and here and here. Right?
01:58:24
James
so when people look at Trump and the Republicans they talk about they're like fascists they're like the Nazis it's not a radical jump because don't compare it to the Nazis compared to Jim Crow that's where the Nazis got this shit from right that's where they studied to learn on what works and what doesn't work you know they took all American things they looked at banning interracial marriages and banning these things and do all these little things to separate people, you know, migrants bad, you know, the quote Pocahontas exceptions, you know, I mean, they they about all these laws they did, right. And they started adopting very similar rules over there in Germany, right.
01:59:03
James
you know i see I think this party and centralizing their power, remember Trump said Hitler had some really good ideas you know and the it was and then the the Elon salute was not an accident.
01:59:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Great generals.
01:59:19
James
you know It's very telling how they went to centralize their power and they have playbooks, established playbooks from the US history, from other countries history, right?
01:59:31
James
and starts with centralizing power, check, you're doing it, trying to, you know, you know, make the opposition, you know, like weak feeble, not actually do anything, check, you know, there's no no no big party. I see a really dystopian future. I i i agree with most of what he with Gabe said. Only exception is actually Ukraine.
02:00:00
James
I am cautiously optimistic still because I think we might flex a little bit of muscle, right? To just say, hey, Russia, nope, you can only have 20% of Ukraine. You have to stop there because we're getting the precious metals now. You know, I think we're gonna extort a lot of precious metals from Ukraine, which in itself isn't a totally horrible thing they're talking about. It does, there's a new plan, another plan.
02:00:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The precious metals are in the occupied territory though.
02:00:32
James
Not all. and There's plenty in the Donbass that's not just in the occupied territories. But either way, I think Trump wants a piece of that in action. You gotta get a cut to the mob boss, man.
02:00:44
James
He wants a piece of that. yeah He needs his cut, right? He wants protection, you gotta give us the cut. I mean, Jesus, that's why he's threatening NATO countries, remember? Hey, you're willing to pay us.
02:00:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
02:00:52
James
They're willing to pay us, you know?
02:00:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, it is in the agreement that you spend 2.2% of GDP on defense and like none of them do it.
02:00:59
James
All of them, but two countries do it now.
02:00:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So.
02:01:02
James
Everybody but Canada and ah one other country, everybody's above that threshold. And the way above us, four countries or five countries are spending a bigger percentage of GDP than America now. So yeah, relook at those numbers.
02:01:15
James
but
02:01:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, well, I guess that was effective.
02:01:17
James
Well, no, it was Russia did it. When Russia invaded Ukraine, that's what did it. It wasn't Trump, it was Russia made them start spending the money.
Trump's Global Strategies
02:01:28
James
Anyway, but yeah, I could see him making a deal where we get a lot of stuff out of them and kind of hold that over their head forever.
02:01:35
James
Oh, you want that piece deal? Hey, keep that selenium coming. Keep this coming. Keep this coming, you know, and doing that. That sounds very mob boss-ish too, right? Oh, good country got there.
02:01:46
James
Shame if the Russians took it. You know what I mean?
02:01:50
James
That sounds, yeah, it sounds like him.
02:01:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I see.
02:01:53
James
So I still think, I think that sounds like, it made me shit the last time.
02:01:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That does sound like him.
02:01:58
James
The military package, hey. But I would like if you do me a favor. How did he word it to Zelensky the first time around? You know, whatever. I can see him extorting. A lot of extortion, you know. I don't think they'll totally fall. Plus, I don't think, I mean, I don't know. Set it for the money, man. it's its Follow the money. If money's going into Trump's pocket, if they're willing to put a lot of money in his pocket, I think they might be all right.
02:02:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Buy some of that meme coin.
02:02:32
James
wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
02:02:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's down again.
02:02:35
James
In fact, I would.
02:02:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
by Buy some so you can get paid with the president.
02:02:37
James
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if maybe, uh, some programs, you know, get funded to Ukraine to be to get funded to, you know, buy his mean coin.
02:02:50
James
You know, so anyway, I don't know.
02:02:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah?
02:02:55
James
We'll see. I'm not looking forward to the next four years, two years, whatever.
02:03:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Me either.
02:03:04
James
but anyway it is 8 11 p.m our time where we're recording and uh
02:03:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It is.
Conclusion and Reflections
02:03:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It is. All right, on that note, stay sane. Have a good one. Oh, brother.
02:03:14
James
and i've really got to answer this call and wrap this up oh okay yep good night everybody all right all right oh brother and for real okay