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the one we recorded late (ep. 15)
6 Plays1 year ago
last night Trump admin tried to quickly send hundreds more to El Salvadoran gulag without due process - stopped for now
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Transcript
Introduction and Technical Issues
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James
I'm James. um bum um boom boom boomm boom
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James
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so Technical difficulties continue. Music is still way too quiet because I didn't fix it. Welcome to Oh Brother News where the music is quiet but the fucks are loud.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm Gabe and we are brothers.
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James
i'm james
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i am suffering from sleeping pill that I took too soon. I'm recording on a different day.
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James
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Deportation Emails and Citizenship Issues
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James
And I have had four cups of coffee.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Struggle is
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And we're all, you know, as American citizens, we're all in danger of getting deported. there now
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James
Disappeared.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They're now sending, it's time for you to leave the country emails to American citizens.
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James
Everybody.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they're picking up 16-year-old boys who are brown and then taking them to court where they're,
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James
Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
showing that they have a US birth certificate and they're holding them for an additional 48 hours just just to make sure that they're ah citizen before releasing them.
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James
um
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um There are also, there's like, there's several women, a doctor and ah hilariously a deportation, like an immigration lawyer, have got emails from the government saying it's time for you to go else you're gonna be deported.
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James
Lawyers.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's like, well, where the fuck are you going to deport them? Because you have to deport someone to their country of origin and their country of origin is America. So
Defunding Courts Discussion
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James
Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
they're trying to take a shot at birthright citizenship via executive order and kind of um they're getting beat up in the courts.
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James
Entrance. Yeah.
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James
Okay.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so Mike Johnson is talking about well, Congress has the power of funding, so we could just defund a district court. we We don't have to have these pesky courts getting our way. We can just give them no money and eliminate entire courts because we don't like them. Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
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James
But I don't think any of that's really going to happen because while Congress does have the power of the purse and while spending bills, you know, ah appropriations of money have to start in the House, it also has to go through the Senate.
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James
You know, so that's not going to happen. It's all bunch of threats and taunts and whatever. And besides, they've already proven that they can't do They don't even want to manage the power of the purse. They want to give leave that up to Trump and let him fight it out in court.
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James
you know so I'm not really worried about them cutting off funding to the courts. um I don't think that's going to be able to happen.
ACLU's Legal Actions and Supreme Court Intervention
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James
um Now, what can happen and what is happening is, man, this Trump administration is trying hard to go around the courts and do whatever they can to Defy the courts while trying at this point, right now at this point, to maintain some sense of adherence to the courts. We're listening to the courts. You know, kind like how the Supreme Court said, yeah, you got to facilitate his return, man. You got to treat him as if he were never sent there.
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James
Okay. Well, the only way to do that is to bring him back, you know, and everybody else for the due process.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
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James
So last night, and we're doing this on a Saturday morning. It's the 19th. Last night on the 18th, late, Trump administration really tried hard to do an end around around the court and everybody else and all the lawyers by taking hundreds of more people on buses and shipping them to Texas. And then there's a temporary restraining order and the in the one district of Texas. They can't just fly them out of there.
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James
So what they did about nine o'clock at night is they very hurriedly tried to put them all on buses and ship them off to another detention center in a different jurisdiction in Texas to put them on planes and send them to El Salvador, who, by the way, has just doubled their detention facility for U.S. people.
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James
um That also came out last night. um Luckily, ACLU filed cases in all the jurisdictions, like simultaneously.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Thank you.
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James
Everybody needs to support the ACLU. ah One of the cases went back for Judge Boesburg, who was the first one that ordered that the planes had to be turned around if they were in the air and they couldn't do it, where they did it anyway.
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James
That got us where we are. And he admitted that, yeah, this is completely wrong, but based on what the Supreme Court said about you have to file in the district where they're being detained, I don't have the jurisdiction because of the jurisdiction what they said.
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James
Luckily, the ACLU also filed emergency petitions to the other districts in Texas and to the U.S. Supreme Court. And last night, the us s or this morning, early hours, whatever, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Trump administration can no longer send the Venezuelans to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act until they can hear the case.
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James
And I believe they, even though they're normally off for the summer, I believe they said they're going to be holding that case here in a month. um So that's where we are right now.
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James
But it wasn't for a lack of trying on their part to quickly send a few more hundred people who have never been to court or arrested or charged with any crimes whatsoever to a gulag.
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James
You know, because that's what America does now.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I heard they got... there Wasn't there a piece where they were they were getting in trouble because they were supposed to give...
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Excuse me. They were supposed to give um like weekly updates on what the administration was doing.
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James
Daily.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Daily updates.
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James
Daily.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so
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James
Yeah, that's to Judge Zinnis.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
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James
X-I-N-N-I-S.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then the the lawyers were just like... ah as as part ah they like instead of giving a real update they were just sending them like well these are like tweets donald trump is making about this and so they were like you're going to be held in criminal contempt so haven't i haven't heard like an update i heard like that like it was going that way but not that it actually
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James
Yep. Mm-hmm.
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James
Yeah, should that that one, it's they have ah they had a couple weeks where they had to daily updates of what they're doing to facilitate his return. You know? And, yeah,
Court Criticism and Legal Consequences
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James
they were providing nonsense and saying nothing. and
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And now they said that they want the names of like who is who exactly is doing what and what are they not doing?
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James
You know?
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James
Exactly. Yep. So...
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because they're going to take that list and basically give those people, hold those people in contempt up to and including probably Homan.
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James
Exactly. and So when they ruled that, you know, hey, this is probable a cause of contempt and everything else, you know, because they're not doing all this stuff, you know, ah the Trump administration appealed it, right?
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
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James
They appealed that. for Actually, that was Judge Boesberg who gave the contempt ruling that got appealed. And um on Tuesday, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, with a conservative, you know, majority, you know, that ah Reagan appointees, somebody else, you know, they unanimously ruled that absolutely the the the government is in the wrong.
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James
And everybody's talking there like a blistering opinion, right? Like they said that the Trump administration is trying to reduce the rule of law to lawlessness, you know?
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James
And he has a seven-page ruling. They said that that the Trump administration's assertions, quote, should be shocking not only to the judges, but to the and to it shocking. It said the assertions in the case should be shocking not only to the judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
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James
And, uh, yeah, they, they went off, you know, huh they really just went off on them, you know? ah
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So how does that play out? You know, like say they hold, I don't know, say they hold some, some fairly high up people, you know, they say, okay, well, Homan is the, is the top, is the top guy he's held in contempt, put him in jail.
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James
I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that.
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James
Well, I can tell you. I can tell you how that's going to happen.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like what's, what's going to happen?
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James
Well, yeah, i mean, here's here's what's going to happen. Here's what could happen in, let's say, best case scenario, okay? Best case scenario. The Trump administration is complete contempt of court, right? They are contempt of this, you know?
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James
We are ordering U.S. Marshals to go arrest Stephen Miller, Pam Bondi, Tom Homan, and Donald Trump, okay? And put him in jail. you know what happens?
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
OK.
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James
Donald Trump then issues a pardon everybody.
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James
That's what's going to happen.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Ah.
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James
Best case scenario.
Contempt Charges and Pardons
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James
They get ordered to jail for contempt of court. It's a federal judge. It's a federal. it's federal The president just issued pardons everybody.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm.
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James
I mean, really, the only thing. It's like Nixon, man. Here. And people were talking about this before in other podcasts.
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James
the whole The whole system only works if the federal government observes and enforces the law. If you have a president who is whose whole mission is antithetical to the law and they have no respect for the law and they don't care about what the court says, they're going to do what they want to do, it only works if they do it.
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James
Nixon, you know, had all those tapes. You know, he knew what his tape said. right He knew that if those tapes got released, you know the Supreme Court ruled it. If they ruled that he had some release the tapes, he knew he was done.
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James
you know They ruled he had to release the tapes. Nixon could have just done it Trump. ah Yeah, no. Burn them. Burn the tapes. Sorry, ah Supreme Court. There are no tapes.
00:10:42
James
They went up in smoke. There was an accident. We can't produce anything. Sorry. you know Nixon, as as corrupt as him and Agnew and everybody were, he followed the court.
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James
He said, yeah, fuck. You know?
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I think that he did, though, because he didn't have the entire Republican Party willing to say...
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James
He did for a long time. There's big Republican majorities when Nixon was in power.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, because like he didn't want to get... like he had a majority, but he was going to be impeached, and he knew that he was going to be convicted.
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James
um Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's the difference.
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James
and he really And he released the tapes anyway when the Supreme Court ruled it.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But I mean, no, but I think i think he...
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James
mean,
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he released the tapes because he knew like, if he didn't, he would be an impeached and convicted for not doing it because right.
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James
He knew he would be if he did release them, though. hey
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So as I'm saying, like he knew either way he was fucked. So he was like, I'll break fewer laws and do it this way.
00:11:42
James
i don't know. Either way, I mean, but the the tide didn't really turn on on the Republicans until the tapes came out. Up until then, there were still plenty of people being like, oh, no, I fucked this. but This is a witch hunt, you know? ah So either way.
00:11:58
James
this This administration would not do what Nixon did. This administration, I don't believe, for a second, will, I think they're going to try as hard as they can to try to claim that they're following the law, even when it's so obvious and apparent on its face that they are not.
00:12:14
James
but Until it becomes so clear, like that the U.S. Supreme Court just drops all their legalese and just says, fuck you, you're breaking the law, you have to do this, stop. Very plain English. i mean, Trump, the And if they do that, then that'll be when the Trump administration's really backed into a corner. You know what mean?
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James
And then we're going to see what really happens.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So we're not, we're not very far away from that because, because the Supreme court has already said you have to facilitate his return.
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James
No, we're not at all.
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James
Mm-hmm.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then, you know, what's the wiggle room?
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James
But then they left that little wiggle room in there. They took exception to the word. The wiggle room was Zinnes ruled that they have to facilitate and effectuate his return.
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James
Supreme Court, they largely upheld it, 9-0. They said, we agree the Trump administration has to facilitate his return and treat him as if you know he was never sent there in the first place and give him due process and all that.
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James
They said, we will take some exception with the word effectuate. It is not clear what that means because the administration still has ah their Article II powers. you know and It's unclear if she has the authority to direct them to effectuate them because there's like a definition of what does effectuate mean.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
What does it mean?
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James
To make it happen.
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James
So that's why the Trump administration has then been playing games saying they're a sovereign nation. What do you want me to do? you want me to go to war? Is the district of court trying to make us declare war on El Salvador if they don't want to return him?
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James
District court can't.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i imagine I would like for you to say, hey, we're going to we're going to put sanctions on you. we're go we're going to put what but what the direction is is you have to do everything in your power so you have to do enough that you would feel confident making the argument in court that you've done everything you can do to
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James
They can't make us go
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James
But you can't direct the federal government put sanctions. you you see what I'm saying? That's what they're saying.
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James
Whatever you can. Mm-hmm.
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James
Yes. Yeah.
Deportation Process Chaos and Community Mobilization
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
accomplish this thing because that's what we're telling you you have to do so if that means you gotta like you know invade el salvador
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James
Exactly.
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James
and that's why, like, the Fourth Circuit.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and that's how you think you think that's what's necessary to prove that you did everything you could then you better fucking invade el salvador if that means you you know go on to camera with bukele and you say to him like hey the courts said you know ah kilmar needs to come come back to the u.s and go through a court process and i'm going to comply with them so what is it going to take
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James
Mm-hmm.
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James
yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
for for us to get him home. Like, can you send him home? Do we need to send you something? do we need to send you a plane? What's it going to take to get this done? Because I have to do this. you You're in the meeting with the cameras rolling. You could just say that and then see what Bukele says.
00:15:02
James
yeah and so like here like and that's what the fourth circuit was saying too because like zenith and everybody's and get to facilitate it
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like,
00:15:08
James
And so like the Trump official, like I said, they've been saying that we'll facilitate. What does that mean? And then that's when you had them like Tom Holman said, we will facilitate his return. If he presents himself, Fabregio Garcia presents himself at a U.S. port of entry, we will facilitate him coming into the country by letting him do so.
00:15:27
James
That's what they said. So the Fourth Circuit, the court of appeals actually had to tell him. ah they They actually said in the in the ah part of the ruling was when they actually said that the word facilitate is an active verb.
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James
it It means you have to do something, you know?
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
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James
oh So, yeah, that's what they're talking about. They said that they yeah ah have, ah where was I at now? Yeah, so the the argument that it must, all it must do is remove any domestic barriers to his return,
00:15:58
James
is not well taken in light of the Supreme Court's command that the government facilitate his return from El Salvador. You know, they said, that's when they said that they would reduce the rule of law, they reduce the rule of law to lawlessness and tarnish the very values for which Americans of diverse views and persuasions have always stood.
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James
And ah they actually had to tell him that it was an active verb, which means you have to do something. And.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So this whole thing is a test of two things.
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James
Mm hmm.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's one, can we get away with um ah suspending due process, number one.
00:16:32
James
Yep, and that's what they want to do. um If they can get away with it one time, all they need is a precedent where they can get away with it. If they are allowed to get away with this, they will do that same playbook every time.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah so we're gonna come back to that because it' like this is not a smart way to to do this, even if that's what you're trying to do.
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James
Yeah.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But we're going to come back to that. And the second thing they're trying to do is they're trying to see what happens if they just defy the Supreme Court and see how it lands with the public and see how how much people care.
00:16:58
James
Mm-hmm. Yep.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And if the, um you know, carnival of executive orders chaos um is enough is enough cover for it to not be a big deal.
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James
And that's why they do it. Exactly.
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James
And that's why they're trying so hard to smear this dude, you know, and he may not be a good guy, you know, you like they were this week, they're going out there pumping out the stories about, Oh, Hey, his wife years ago started to file a claim for, you know, domestic abuse.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but
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James
You know, she recanted it or whatever, but Hey, it's out there. And then they started putting out another story yesterday. It's like, look, he was pulled over for speeding and the officer suspected he might be ah he might be doing trafficking or something.
00:17:44
James
But they let him off with a warning. But they suspected it, you know, three years ago, four years ago, you know, because he had eight people in the car.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
or Or there was a there was an officer.
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James
What did that hold?
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so like it started, his thing started like a, like a year ago.
00:17:57
James
That's a lot more than that.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, so there was like a, there was an ah officer who said that he had a confidential informant that said that he was a part of a MS 13.
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James
He can just...
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James
Yeah.
00:18:10
James
Yeah. This is a long time ago, by the way.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah This was like a, like a year ago, way more than a year ago.
00:18:12
James
Yeah. Way more than a year ago. Yeah. Yeah. Way more than a year ago.
00:18:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. So I thought it was just, thought,
00:18:18
James
He came here when he 16. I think it was 2019 when that happened. He came here when he was 16 years old, a long time ago. And a couple years later at a hearing, that's when they had him in there, in the in the when they were booking him in there, the the corrupt former cop.
00:18:33
James
The drunk who was also fired.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah yeah that's yeah and like that cop got fired um for for drunkenly driving his cop car into a house like of just some people he just drove he just drove into a house yeah
00:18:35
James
Yeah, that guy.
00:18:47
James
Among other things. Mm-hmm.
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GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Among other things. And so he was fired. So on that guy's word, there was a CI who's never been questioned by anyone but this cop or even identified from, you know, several years ago.
00:18:54
James
um
00:19:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
this is the This is the basis. And then in in that case, even, the judge was like, yeah, well, he's here on asylum from el Salvador because they're threatening to rape his sister and kill his family his mother and that's why his brother came and then when he got a little older the gang said that they were going to rape his mother and kill his sister and murder his father what do you know i mean they said they were going to kill his family if if he didn't join the gang and so he left and came here at 16 yeah because you know the gang was like you're old enough to be a soldier you're old enough to be responsible for us raping your sister if you don't
00:19:32
James
They're extorting the family out for the money. Mm-hmm.
00:19:38
James
As a minor. As a minor, yeah. 16. Yeah.
00:19:47
James
Yeah.
00:19:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Get out there and soldier for us. And he was like, yeah, I'd rather leave the country than do that.
00:19:52
James
Yeah, so this is 2019 when he got picked up and they thought he might be MS-13. 2019. twenty nineteen
00:19:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. So like he had a thing saying you can't deport him to El Salvador since then.
00:20:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
and the So like if you're goingnna if you're going to pick somebody, I'm sure that there is somebody from somewhere that they...
00:20:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
could make a case that that has a criminal record at all, you know, that has, that has been at least accused of a crime in a court, you know, like there's somebody.
00:20:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like, I don't feel like Kilmar is their choice for the poster child. And I think that it would have been much smarter for them to pick somebody else who is a criminal or who is a gang member, you know, and be like, Oh,
00:20:46
James
well that's Here's the thing, though. They did. They picked hundreds of people. the thing is The thing is, they had no control over which story got out. They were just rounding up everybody. That's what they're doing.
00:20:57
James
They're rounding up hundreds at a time. 77% of the people that we sent to El Salvador have absolutely no criminal record whatsoever.
00:21:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
okay. But that means the 23% have some kind of criminal record.
00:21:05
James
77%. 60 minutes. Yes, they were very low levels.
00:21:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean,
00:21:09
James
They were like traffic stuff. like court like like so like like traffic stuff You know, they were nothing. They were not even violent.
00:21:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i mean like The point that I'm getting at is like there's probably at least one MS-13 gang member who did some murdering, some drug selling, some raping, some violent something.
00:21:19
James
60 Minutes did a big hour-long show about this.
00:21:27
James
um
00:21:30
James
i Yeah, 60 Minutes did an hour-long thing on this. I think they said it was four. Four people. Four of the 200 and whatever people. Four people.
00:21:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, Force. Jesus Christ, that's really low. But they should be trotting the 0.02%
00:21:41
James
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
trotting out the like you know point zero two percent And like, you know, talking about those guys and, and they should have just like not fought it on Kilmar.
00:21:57
James
Yeah.
00:21:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They should have been, I mean, they, they, the first thing that they said was this was a clerical error.
00:22:00
James
They didn't want it. They they didn't. They had no choice in this. They didn't have. No. Here's the thing, though. They had no choice in this. Nobody even knew that these people were in El Salvador until they saw them on TV.
00:22:12
James
They didn't tell anybody. They didn't tell any lawyers. They didn't tell any family members. they would They still have not officially released the names of it. All the people we know who are there are there because of open source stuff and people looking at photos and looking at the video and identifying tattoos and identifying the people.
00:22:28
James
The government still won't even release the names of it. Everybody had to do, all the journalists had to do this investigative work on their own. They're still claiming state secrets. They can't even say who they sent.
00:22:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
State secrets.
00:22:40
James
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And yeah and now they're sending they're sending it's time for you to go emails to to like Iraqi Christians.
00:22:45
James
everybody.
00:22:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm. like iraqi christian families living in like you know kansas or oklahoma or whatever i saw like a rachel maddow thing on it and and the the um like her thing was talking about how like there when people have community around them like the communities are standing up to this and there was like there was somebody i think it was um somebody from the middle east who was here as a permanent resident and they were like they had planned for him to get targeted because he was part of protesting for Palestine.
Tariffs, Trade Wars, and Economic Impact
00:23:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so they were like, they figured he would. So they had like a group chat where they were watching him. Like they had, they had the neighbors like ready, like watching, watching out for ice and like ready to take video.
00:23:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they already had ah lawyers with um injunctions, just like ready to go to stop him from being bounced around to,
00:23:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um you know, some other jurisdiction and to say like, oh no, he can't be deported.
00:23:53
James
I
00:23:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so like that guy was okay because they, they picked him up at his house and his neighbors caught the video recorded the whole thing. And then they immediately called the lawyer and the lawyer was, went to the judge and the judge put an immediate injunction.
00:24:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like they were ready for the one guy.
00:24:09
James
was 12.
00:24:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Right.
00:24:12
James
Yeah.
00:24:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like, so that guy was okay. But then she goes on and is talking about how like, She's like, oh yeah, like there's this group of Iraqi Christians in some bumblefuck state and, um, and they're talking to the the people in the community. They're talking to the people in the church and they're like, they're like, oh yeah, our community. I can't, we can't believe that our community members that we love is like being targeted by our government that, that we love. Like they're not here legally. They're just, if they came into the country legally, so they,
00:24:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like you know like a mother of like and her three kids who like came into the country legally seeking asylum because you know she's a woman and doesn't want to go to Iraq where she's going to be fucking stoned for like not wearing her fucking hijab or whatever.
00:25:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like the thing that the thing that killed me in that story is that these exact people in this church are
00:25:06
James
Yeah.
00:25:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
are most likely people who fucking voted for Trump. And the thing that they're saying, like, oh, we're so surprised that they're going after our community member, you know, our government.
00:25:22
James
Yeah. In Utah. Yep. Yep.
00:25:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's like, dude, no this was the most obvious shit ever. Like, like we and we told you, we screamed from the rooftops for months over and over and over again that this is what was happening.
00:25:27
James
yeah you
00:25:33
James
um
00:25:37
James
ye
00:25:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so, like, to continue with a, like, a rant about this is what is happening. You look at this chaos. You look at this ah the stuff with the tariffs and how it's just like you know a monkey throwing shit at the wall.
00:25:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah Like levels of intelligence. And like we're totally just going to get decimated in this trade war by China because they can just they can just dump some of the bonds that they have.
00:26:03
James
Oh, yeah. yeah they ben Everybody's been doing it.
00:26:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
only $7 trillion
00:26:09
James
Friends and foes alike.
00:26:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
so only seven trillion of the 37 trillion in bonds are held by foreign countries, but they only have to dump like, you know, half a trillion for them to like spike the interest rate and like drop the value of the bonds, like kick the ass of the dollar.
00:26:26
James
What you
00:26:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like and the U S isn't China's biggest trading partner.
00:26:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The China trades with, um, it's like a block of, of Southeast Asian,
00:26:36
James
No, very little.
00:26:37
James
No.
00:26:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
countries that's their biggest trading partner and their second biggest trading partner is the eu and then it's the united states so like you know we're not even like their first the first priority you know for as a trading partner they're gonna beat our ass take this stuff you take the tariff stuff you take the like the the fact that like he's not even trying like despite having the house and the senate he's not even trying to do anything as law
00:26:44
James
i mean
00:26:47
James
no
00:27:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
He's doing everything as executive order and he's constantly breaking the law. Like, it's like he's going out of his way to piss off his base. You know, like he could be doing, he hasn't done anything to bring down the price of eggs. In fact, the but the nation's largest egg producer, Cal Maine, announced quarterly profits of 509 million, which is more than three times what it made a year ago.
00:27:38
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the reason is because like, yeah, you have a little bit of a shortage, you kill some birds, but then you triple the price. And the only, because it's a, it's basically a monopoly on eggs.
00:27:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the only reason that you don't is because it's the reason that the price of eggs came down under Biden, which is because they say, oh, we're going to investigate you for monopoly.
00:27:56
James
No.
00:28:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Just threatening to, to investigate them was enough for them to be like, oh, oh, so ah you know what? We'll just lower the prices of eggs. and then they were like, that's that'll do. we don't I guess we won't investigate you. then now the Now the egg prices are are lower. So everything's fine.
00:28:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But trump's Trump's not going to do that. You know? So like, he's doing, he's doing, he's not doing the things for people that he said he was going to do. And this leads to my theory. Okay? which is Which is really just the believe, like, take him at face value theory.
00:28:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because he was saying, was saying in like a at a Christian event. And this was before the election. This was in like a few months before the election. He was saying like, um we really need you to get out and vote this just this one time.
00:28:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like after this, like we'll fix we'll fix it. Like we'll have it all fixed and you won't need to vote anymore.
00:28:51
James
You won't need to do it. yeah It'll be so good. You won't need to worry about voting anymore.
00:28:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:28:57
James
Yeah.
00:28:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like these are his literal words and I'll link the clip. I'll find that one. But he's like, he literally said like, we'll fix it. You won't have to vote anymore just this one time you know like and they're and then they're disenfranchising women also the stuff with the the save act we're gonna make it so 70 million women can't vote unless they go get a passport so they can prove that they're citizens and let that go even further and be like oh you can't run you can't do it you can't do this you can't do that if you're not a citizen center and then start making everyone prove individually in court that they're a citizen or like face deportation or whatever make that everyone's individual problem like
00:29:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you're you're tanking the economy. You're not fixing the things that you said you would fix. You're defying the courts. like You're not producing anything of value except for like you know to the hot stock market tips as you're manipulating things. and like I don't know. I guess it's like good for lawyers because they can have lots more lawyer work to do, but that which is never in short supply. So
00:30:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I think that the ship has already sailed and the game is already over and that whatever, and that that the thing that is emboldening them to be so lawless to like, to go be like, yeah, we're going to go after Medicare and, and have, you know, the people who are the congressmen and the senators who would have to stand up and say, ah, you know what? I am not cool voting for the destruction of social security and,
00:30:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
in Medicare and Medicaid because, you know, my district relies on it and going to get crucified in my next election if I, you know, get rid of something that 40% of my constituents take advantage of.
00:30:41
James
Well, that's already... doesn't
00:30:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah And it's because they've got it rigged. They've got it planned out. So like there's, there's not going to be the Democrats coming back in the midterms and taking control and impeaching Trump.
00:31:00
James
work. That
00:31:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's not going to be them like coming in and passing a real budget or doing any investigations because they're not going to win any elections because they're not going to be any real elections ever again.
00:31:06
James
doesn't work.
00:31:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is my this is my theory is that like when he said like it's rigged and it's not. don't worry about it. We got it. You never have to vote again. He meant it. And that is now the case.
00:31:20
James
Well, I, I, my, my negative doomsday self, you know, part of my brain, know, it says that's true, but I find that there's a lot of evidence.
00:31:36
James
There is still a lot of evidence if you're looking for it, but that's not true. Okay. Okay. You have to look for it and not get lost in all the deluge of horrible note news, right? Because, like, as you said that about the Republicans, ah first of all, you have approval. You have polling, right?
00:31:51
James
And he's tanking. He's going underwater, right? On everything. Handling on deportation. Handling on the economy. Everything else. You now have, like, there are, like, 12 or 16 Republicans, House Republicans, that already sent word to Johnson that, hey, that budget you want us to vote on here shortly, it's dead on arrival.
00:32:07
James
We are not okaying you know, gutting, gutting Medicare and Medicaid. Right. So there is some talk of that. You had Lisa Murkowski out there yesterday in Alaska when she was talking about, oh yeah, I know I'm, we're all afraid. We're all afraid. The retribution is real and blah, blah, blah. I'm going to continue doing what I can using my voice. We're, you know, doing this and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, it's real. You know, this is, these are the crazy times we're living in right now. You know, yeah there are signs of people like, and here's the thing.
00:32:34
James
It's not that they're courageous politicians. They're not. They're not courageous politicians. What they are doing is reading the tea leaves. And like Nicole Wallace had a big thing on there talking about like, you know, you can't make people eat sand.
00:32:45
James
Right. Trump can go out there and say, oh, the grocery prices are down and everything's going great. And we're making America great again. And we're getting rich off these tariffs. Right. And but everybody sees this shit's not true. He can say prices are down, but people, even his base, are realizing, oh, shit, things are not going down. What he keeps saying that things are getting cheaper.
00:33:06
James
But the store, when I go to pay for it's not cheaper. He says it's cheaper.
00:33:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because nothing ever gets cheaper.
00:33:14
James
you know. i know but like So like even numbers among his supporters are dropping. He is... I mean, like I said, like you I think last week we talked about his and polling. He's only beaten himself for the ah fastest drop in polling ever as a new president.
00:33:30
James
And it's continuing. Another week later, he's gone down another set like like six or seven points on something. I mean, he's dropping fast, right? um The biggest loss ever of independence, independence and Democrats, obviously, Democrats always hate him.
00:33:45
James
Independents now are way upside down on him, you know. Only Republicans are going against him, you know what mean? um And so so you see little signs of, all right, we just need to make, we need to make it to a midterm, you know.
Media Distractions and Economic Failures
00:34:01
James
and Yes, while they're trying some things, they're trying to rig it. Like that executive order on for for elections, for federal elections. Remember, they're trying to do that. that ah
00:34:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:34:11
James
They're trying to do though the other executive orders everything else. And you know these other SAVE Act and everything. SAVE Act is not going anywhere. But they're still trying things, right? And they want to rig it. They want to do that.
00:34:23
James
Hasn't happened yet, I don't think. you know And if he keeps going the way he's going... Like they, like a Bulwark podcast, Sarah Longwell's talk about that, her and this other guy.
00:34:34
James
They were talking and like, Hey, there's actually signs of life. You know, you had Chris Van Hollen go down to El Salvador, you know, and before el Salvador's president was like, I can't do anything. What am i supposed to do? Take a terrorist out of here. but but And what do they do?
00:34:47
James
They took them out for a photo op and put them in a little restaurant to meet with Van Hollen, you know, because Van Hollen wasn't going anywhere, you know? And,
00:34:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Dude, I was shocked that he that that he is alive. i
00:34:59
James
I was shocked that he didn't look.
00:35:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i was under the like My assumption was that they were being like, he's a terrorist, he's a terrorist, in preparation for when it comes out that he's dead, because they knew that he was dead.
00:35:01
James
Yeah.
00:35:08
James
It was too quick. It's too quick. They weren't going to kill him right off. You have to wait until the interest dies down a little bit. they Besides, Salvador, that prison is meant to torture these people for long, long times. People that go there...
00:35:23
James
And they get beat over and over. They get tortured for years and years and years and years. And eventually they get killed. And that's why in El Salvador, you people aren't allowed to talk about the people who they round up and put in there.
00:35:35
James
and the people When they put somebody in Seacott, nobody is allowed to talk about them. You know, people can't talk about them. You know? And they knew in America, hey, they just sent them here. They're not going to go fucking kill them right off the bat.
00:35:45
James
You know what I mean? Because...
00:35:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know. i thought I thought he would have just...
00:35:48
James
Well... I think if he's there for another year, he'll be dead. If he's there for another six months, he'll probably be dead. I think a lot of those people, the gay kid, I'm worried worried about the gay kid who got sent there, man. Fucking makeup artist. You what I mean?
00:35:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:36:00
James
I mean, there's a lot of people. And actually i was wrong. I remember I said like four, it was actually 12, 12 out of the 238 people we put there had a criminal record.
00:36:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, i thought that the the reason I thought that he was dead is because, to me, it would have made more sense to be like,
00:36:15
James
Just to bring him back. Oh, mistake. Everybody else is criminals.
00:36:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Ah, our bad. Yeah, here, take him back. But all everybody else is a fucking asshole. you know like like And then it's then it's like not in the news cycle anymore.
00:36:21
James
Exactly. Exactly.
00:36:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's not a thing.
00:36:26
James
Yeah.
00:36:26
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know You prevent all of the like Supreme Court challenges and you're having to fire your lawyers because they're not arguing enough you know of your crazy bullshit or they're trying to like you know still have a law degree in the future.
00:36:34
James
Yeah, know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like still be able to practice law.
00:36:43
James
you They fired the guy. They fired ah fired the person for coming up with the only rationale, the only possible defense in a court of law that they could make.
00:36:55
James
What else could that lawyer have said other than it was an administrative error? What else could they say?
00:37:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
00:37:01
James
They can't say anything else. You got a guy with no criminal record, hasn't been arrested for anything, never got Miranda rights, didn't have a day in court, didn't have anything. has a deep an order barring his deportation because he's already proven you know it'd be beyond the to the court's satisfaction that he has legitimate here and he can't be sent back to El Salvador for a credible fear of life. and you know you have a So there's an order against sending back.
00:37:25
James
What else are you going to say if you're the Justice Department lawyer that... that doesn't just say, yeah, fuck you. We did it because we want to do it, bitch. I mean, other than saying that in court, what else could he have said other than his name?
00:37:37
James
And so they fired the guy.
00:37:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
he
00:37:38
James
now they're like, and now in the court of public opinion, they're trying to that lawyer was a leftist saboteur. He was purposely trying to tank this case.
00:37:49
James
That guy has MS-13 after he was trained to Ragua, you know, whatever.
00:37:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what they should What they should have done is had is had Donald Trump issue an executive order that says being an immigrant is a crime.
00:37:56
James
Just bring him back. but Oh my God, we are
00:38:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then...
00:38:07
James
They already say
00:38:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then they could have referred to that order and said, currently, there's an executive order that says being an emig immigrant is a crime.
00:38:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And this executive order supersedes all other forms of authority. and And, you know, these or something something to that effect, you know.
00:38:27
James
Well, they've already done that. I mean, by executive order requesting asylum. They've already done the executive order. There's already an executive order that says requesting asylum. If you come here to request asylum... right If you come to a U.S.
00:38:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
hmm.
00:38:38
James
port of entry and you're requesting asylum, that is illegal. You are now subject to deportation because you came to here, you came to the country to request asylum. They've already designated everybody who's requesting asylum as criminals.
00:38:50
James
They already did that.
00:38:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So why wouldn't they just make that argument? Like, oh yeah, being an immigrant itself is criminal.
00:38:59
James
Because it doesn't matter.
00:38:59
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like
00:39:00
James
but Because it doesn't matter what the what they say is. It doesn't matter. They can say anything. Yes, it's crime. being Having brown skin is punishable by death.
00:39:11
James
They can say that. Whatever. Cool. The executive voter, hey, look, look, he was born outside the country. That means he is subject to the death penalty. Cool story, bro. Go to court. That's the whole crux of it.
00:39:23
James
It doesn't matter what this guy Garcia did. It doesn't matter if he is an MS-13 guy who really did beat his wife and he was trafficking people to that construction job. Whatever. Doesn't matter. Okay.
00:39:36
James
He is, say he is all of those things. Supreme court says, yeah, cool story, bro. Oh, good job. Yeah. He's an MS-13 person. Okay, cool. um Why aren't you in court to get your deportation in order to put him there?
00:39:49
James
Because they can't take these people to court because they don't have evidence for this. They just want to round everybody up and get them out of here. They want to hit their quota. I mean, it's like a it's like a software company that sets a deadline of something unrealistic. And then you rush to go do it. And you have to you have to you know skirt every kind of ah roadblock that would get in the way of that.
00:40:09
James
And the courts are a big roadblock because it takes time. You can't be deporting tens of millions of people in a year or two. if you have to take every person to court to prove that they're a criminal, why should they have to prove that somebody is a criminal?
00:40:26
James
You know, they,
00:40:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Can't release software that doesn't have bugs. if we If QA keeps pointing out that we have bugs, so let's just do no QA.
00:40:29
James
yeah yeah, exactly. Same thing.
00:40:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
see. I see.
00:40:36
James
It's the exact same thing. You know, if you don't have testing, they have no cases. If you don't have a court case, you know,
00:40:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm.
00:40:45
James
You know, you can't say somebody is not a criminal if you have a court case, you know.
00:40:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
i mean, I get that strategy. I just feel like there would have been like a quieter way to execute it. Like, like if your goal is to like, is to like.
00:40:56
James
Well, the only they would have been completely quiet had here's the thing. Here's the thing. You know what? If it wasn't for them. try Here's what it is. It's a self-inflicted wound. Had they not been so gung ho about PR and trying to make it look like they're being tough on the border?
00:41:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
hmm.
00:41:13
James
but first of all, that's what they need because they want to be the perception.
00:41:15
James
They want the perception that they're doing all this stuff to make America great and getting in rid of all these illegals. Right. So they set up all the fucking camera crews there to watch them as they're getting on the plane and they're watching them as they're getting off the plane and everything else. Right.
00:41:29
James
If they wouldn't have done that. There wouldn't have been a way to identify these people. Most of them. There wouldn't have been a face.
00:41:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:41:39
James
You wouldn't have 60 minutes wouldn't have been able to identify all these people. Right. To say who they are. Oh my God. It's a gay makeup artist who's never done anything. What the fuck? There's this guy, the soccer player.
00:41:50
James
What? The soccer player?
00:41:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Wow.
00:41:51
James
His, his crime is having a tattoo of a soccer ball with the real Madrid tattoo. And it said dad underneath of it. Cause his dad died. What?
00:42:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
wow
00:42:00
James
That's the roof. What? There's, there's all these other things here. They wouldn't have had any that if it wasn't for the trying to show off. Salvador's trying to do it to show off, show how tough they are, look at this, and, you know, Trump's trying to do it to show off how tough he is on these illegals and their promises made, promises kept. Had they not done that, 99.9% of those people, they would have just been disappeared.
00:42:21
James
Nobody would have known.
00:42:25
James
was dumb luck that they got caught because they were trying to make a show of it. You know?
00:42:35
James
I mean... There's something other things they're doing that aren't making the news. It was two months ago, right? Two months ago, like Rolling Stone did a good article here. says ISIS's next deportation target is unaccompanied children, right?
00:42:48
James
And there's a memo here, right? ah It says, a um here we go. It's an internal government memo titled Unaccompanied Alien Children Joint Initiative Field Implementation, okay?
00:43:03
James
And here's what they're making a change in here. It says that a state said children will be deported if they have existing deportation orders or served with a notice to appear in immigration court.
00:43:15
James
And they are labeling the children now. Here's their change. They're labeling children as flight risks, right? They said that the minors, you know, you know, says the remaining minors are predators of public safety or border security.
00:43:26
James
So it's ah it's a severe departure from their usual prioritization targeting adults with criminal records. You know, they're saying that children are flight risks, man. Hey, look, there's a child who's supposed to be here, you know.
00:43:37
James
So they said children who arrive in the U.S. without a parent legal guardian, they're put into the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement until they can be placed with a sponsor. Right. Most of these children have histories of abuse or, you know, seeking safety from threats of violence. Right. They've been trafficked or smuggled in. Right.
00:43:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:43:53
James
They've been exploited as child laborers, you know, things like that. So what they're going to do now is when they get them in there, they're going to issue the deportation order. Right. Here we go. Hey, they have to be deported. That's a kid here.
00:44:05
James
Oh, it's a flight risk. they're not a price They're not, you know, and then they're just going to ship them out there. and And who is going to be getting their names? Who's going to be putting them on TV? Who's going to be saying, oh my God, that's, you know, whatever, you know, they're doing a lot of things off camera. They only got in trouble because they tried to do this on camera.
00:44:24
James
And when they try to make a show of it to help his poll numbers, because that's all that matters to him is they're polling. That's how they landed it even more hot water, you know?
00:44:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
This is so weird because he could do something common sense to like fix his poll numbers.
00:44:35
James
And they're probably only doing that. They probably only,
00:44:39
James
Well, the thing is, the polling numbers, and this is probably why it's a two-edged sword. A, they prefer to talk about this than the economy because he's still more, he's less underwater on immigration because there's a lot more racist people or people who just don't realize who all is being wrapped up in this, you know?
00:44:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because the stock market is still falling. like The economy is still fucked.
00:45:00
James
Oh, yeah, and the bond market's crazy.
00:45:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like he he He fucking broke the whole ah whole economic world order. And it is it is still broken. Everyone is still making deals to not include us. and like we're We're still fucked.
00:45:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like Just because he paused the tariffs to only 10%, we're still fucked.
00:45:14
James
hu
00:45:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
worst we' still fucked
00:45:19
James
Yeah, we're heading towards collapse way worse than 2008, way worse Black Friday whatever. what they call black friday you know in the eighty s or whatever
00:45:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
00:45:29
James
we're going to have a fucking huge crash, but that's why, and that's another reason I think they're so apt to have this fight because he's still stronger on polling with immigration than he is with focusing on the economy, right?
00:45:40
James
Got no good news to come with the economy, you know?
00:45:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, if you cared about polling, you wouldn't go after Medicaid.
00:45:43
James
And then but theyre all the Republican Congress, they're I don't know if they are, you know, they want to, but,
00:45:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, like, if you cared if you cared about polling, you wouldn't be talking about how you're going to go to Greenland. If you cared about Poland, you wouldn't send anyone to...
00:45:59
James
No, that's the way, no, because that's the way Trump...
00:46:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You wouldn't deport anyone to ah to a fucking torture prison in another country.
00:46:04
James
No, that's the way, that's, no, you're missing the the the point of Trump, man, because that's how he avoids the worst, that's not the worst. In a normal presidency, something really bad happens.
00:46:17
James
Let's look at Biden, okay, the Biden administration, okay?
00:46:22
James
Biden was kind of hamstrung in the agreement with Trump. You know, Trump, you know, negotiate with the Taliban to have a surrender the country back to the Taliban. Biden was like, fuck.
00:46:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then...
00:46:33
James
All right. What do I do? Do agree to what the previous administration has already, you know, made this deal? They've already made this thing, you know, this deal. and do i Or do I keep everybody in Afghanistan?
00:46:46
James
Which, everybody's over. We're all done with Afghanistan. We shouldn't be there, but shit. It's kind of boxed in, right? He made some move that, okay, we're going to pull out. We're going to get out. They had this timeline. Whatever.
00:46:58
James
And it sucked. And it was a little bit messy and a little bit chaotic, right? Okay.
00:47:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It was pretty fucking bad.
00:47:02
James
Now, yeah, maybe.
00:47:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I feel like they could have done a better job of
00:47:05
James
But either way, long story short, that was the news story for, fuck, a year? And then they kept talking about it after that. But that was the thing.
00:47:18
James
Now, in the Trump administration, if that was going to happen, if they were going to, if they had something horrible happen, like let's say we... Tariffs. Okay, tariffs. Oh, shit. The economy collapsed. The economy's collapsing. Okay.
00:47:32
James
What's the best way that Trump has always used to take the take the bite off of a story? Shit, man. Spread that shit around all over the walls, man. Give them a whole bunch of shit to talk about. They can't focus on everything.
00:47:46
James
And when you spread the shit around so much and there's so much chaos, yeah, there's a lot less of people talking about this because instead of everybody talking about this, just like when you saw that you're protesting, when you went to that protest and the Tesla protest,
00:48:01
James
There are people talking, there we're mad at Elon.
Manufacturing Jobs Myth and Economic Shift
00:48:03
James
We're mad about Medicare. We're mad about this. We're mad about the federal workers being fired. We're mad about this. You break everybody up. You have little segments. Everybody can't talk about everything.
00:48:11
James
Everybody can't be this podcast. We can't even do this every day. you know There are so many stories that we don't get to talk about.
00:48:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Uh-huh.
00:48:17
James
We only do this once a week. you know It's the news the same way.
00:48:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
of no
00:48:20
James
so they hey let's hey know what let's Hey, let's just fucking talk about Greenland. let's Let's throw the Greenland bone out there. Yeah, we're going to take over Greenland. Hey, Canada's story is quieted down a little bit. Hey, let's talk about them being the 51st state again. Yeah, let's get people riled up about that.
00:48:36
James
Let's get them riled up about this. Let's do this. hey let's Hey, let's, we already have 145% tariffs. Let's just fucking say 245% tariffs because that's what it is now. You know, let's try that to take the story off of this.
00:48:48
James
If you just keep, it's like popcorn, man. They just keep having popcorn go off with another thing. People can't focus on everything. And if they can't focus on everything, then you can get away with more illegal shit.
00:49:00
James
Because people are scattered.
00:49:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
is the Steve Bannon flooding the zone.
00:49:03
James
Yeah, it's a flooding the zone. And it works. But the downside is, yes, that works. That's why Trump got reelected anyway. Because people forgot about how much shit was bad the first time.
00:49:18
James
And that's what they're doing. they're They're spreading around so much that people can't people can't even remember. when When he was running, you know, 2024 and he's running, you know, I'm like, how have people forgotten about all this shit?
00:49:30
James
It's very easy now because you flood the zone with so much bad shit, people tune out. People tune out. They can't keep up. Whatever. You know, they move on. And then a lot of shit goes on that people didn't even know about. Oh, i didn't even know they did that.
00:49:43
James
I didn't know remember that. You know, that's what it is.
00:49:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I mean, even as he's it even as he's doing this, like several of the things that he's doing are against like take the tariffs right like you're having you're gonna do this whole trade war on the on the idea that you'll have um uh manufacturing jobs come back to america like like like that under like that's the goal right like that's how you're selling it ah you're like oh we're gonna have manufacturing jobs come back to america which like that's a whole other conversation about why that's not a great idea but like you're doing that at the same time you're also
00:50:04
James
who
00:50:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
dismantling funding for the chips act which itself was meant to make it so that 115 000 manufacturing jobs would come to america it's like the you know doing the um i can't remember what the word was like institutional uh incentive right like the government is going like incent the companies to build stuff here instead of somewhere else they're going to give them the reason to
00:50:25
James
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:50:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So it's like, oh, you want to have a we don't want to have more manufacturing in the United States, except not this manufacturing. like
00:50:57
James
ah the Here's the thing, though. I posted a link this in the Notion. right um which you put there It's Jeffrey Sachs. It's a YouTube video. um Right here. Sachs.
00:51:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Which one is it?
00:51:09
James
This professor. The one I'm typing right here.
00:51:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Oh, that one.
00:51:11
James
right Even if his idea was, we're going to put these tariffs to bring manufacturing back. The funny thing is, that's not What even Trump, I mean, when Trump was saying about what these tariffs were and why they put the percentages they did on what countries they did and everything, it never had anything to do with bringing manufacturing back.
00:51:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:51:32
James
It had to do with how he thinks we are getting ripped off because of trade imbalances, right? And that video I linked, I want to put a link to it, you know, when we post this. It's one of the best videos, the best takedowns ever of why he's an idiot and he's a professor.
00:51:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah
00:51:46
James
And he's like, I teach this on literally day two of my whatever economics class. Because on the second day, if he was in my class for more than two days, he would have learned this, you know, because it's day two stuff, right?
00:52:00
James
And... He thinks that if you buy more from a country than they buy from you, that's unfair. They're ripping you off. And he gave this scenario. He's like, hey, if I go shopping and I go to here, I go to Trader Joe's and I go to Myers and I go to Home Depot.
00:52:18
James
You know, I spent all this money there. Right. And, you know, but hey, they're ripping me off. Look at and he has his bills and he spends more on his credit cards. He goes out there and buys everything everything with credit cards. He says, hey, I only fifteen hundred, ah you know, fifteen hundred this week. I got paid, but I spent two thousand dollars these stores.
00:52:36
James
Those stores are ripping me off. Right. Because we and that's exactly what it is. We pay more. we We spend more than we have coming in from taxes and everything, you know, which is why there's imbalances.
00:52:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
00:52:50
James
That's why we're going to debt. You know, simple as that. So putting the tariff on them to say, hey, we need to get more money, you know, it's just a tax. I mean, it's just, that's why the tax is there. It's to bring down the imbalance. You can raise more revenue because you're spending more money from foreign places, you know, more imports.
00:53:08
James
It's just stupid. He doesn't understand what it's. If it was, we're going to put 150% tariff on all steel coming into the United States and we want all manufacturers of steels to build plants here, we'll give you a credit to build up your plant and get it kickstarted in six months.
00:53:24
James
that would be That would be a plan. But that's not his plan. His plan wasn't even to bring manufacturing jobs back. He just thinks it will magically happen.
00:53:32
James
And, you know, he doesn't understand the tariffs, which is why it's stupid, you know?
00:53:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I heard this, um, Bill Burr thing where he was talking about the tariffs and the manufacturing jobs. And he's like, you know, if you think back to when, like when we were having manufacturing, it was like beginning of the nineteenth century.
00:53:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And we had, you know, like five-year-olds in coal mines and five-year-olds in factories working like 12 and 16 hour days doing dangerous shit and stuff with chemicals, et cetera.
00:53:59
James
Mm-hmm.
00:54:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And we were making everything. we were making clothes. We were making chemicals. We were making were making metal. We were making wood. We were making shoes. like We made all those things here. And like nobody made any money.
00:54:19
James
oh
00:54:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so people came out. ah Well, none none none of the workers made any money. okay like It all went to the to the robber barons. And people came out and they started protesting. It's like, no, we want fair wages. We want to unionize. And like the Robert Barron's hired people and like use police forces and security forces to go out and literally beat them to death.
00:54:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like they they literally went to war to say, give us more of the money. And and they didn't. Instead, they said, OK, we'll just send these jobs over to China where we they'll still do it for like pennies a day. OK.
00:54:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And when they talk about like bringing the factories back, they're like, oh, it will, in order you know, in order to bring this back, like we're paying them only $6 an hour over there or whatever, $5 a week.
00:55:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So to bring it back, we have to pay people American wages and you want us to pay them well. You don't want us to just pay them like the minimum American wage. You want us to pay them good American wages. So like now like a pair of Nikes is going to cost like $2,000 instead of
00:55:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the reason that the that the cost of the the shoe would go up in that way isn't because like they would be paying labor that much more. It's because they're unwilling to sacrifice the profit margin that they get when they're getting the labor for so cheap and they're buying the supplies for so cheap.
00:55:41
James
Yep. Yep.
00:55:45
James
ye
00:55:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like that's the That's the real reason.
00:55:50
James
Yep.
00:55:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's not that like paying people a decent amount
00:55:50
James
Yep.
00:55:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's that that you know the stock buybacks and the CEO pay and the like all the people at the top who are siphoning off the majority of the money are unwilling to stop siphoning off all the money.
00:56:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And that's why the cost of things would go up if you brought it back domestically.
00:56:05
James
Yep.
00:56:08
James
yeah
00:56:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so like so we got rid of all... And then if like you bring in some of like the stuff that you hear from Scott Galloway talking about the why the tariffs are are stupid, you know like we got rid of all these these low um these low skill low paying jobs like they're you're making things like you're making shoes you're making clothes you're making all this like you're making raw materials stuff that we don't want to do here like right because it's like it's tedious and it doesn't pay well and it doesn't have much skill
00:56:26
James
Yep.
00:56:43
James
you know
00:56:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And so instead, what we the jobs we want to have are things where we're doing like financial services. Like we don't want to build the iPhones. We want to design the iPhones. We want to write software for the iPhones. We want to invent the chips that somebody else, you know, screws together and another country.
00:57:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like we're out we're outsourcing all of these like high skill, high margin, you know, highly paid things. We're making technologies and building you know, vaccine software and whatever, all, all these sorts of things.
00:57:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's what we're exporting is like these high margin things. And we're importing all these things that are like low value, low margin.
00:57:22
James
Cheap. It's the
00:57:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And like, that is actually a good thing. Like, like Americans, like there's already, ah can't i can't, remember what the, what the numbers were, but there's already like, like a whole bunch of jobs that no one is doing that there's like employments are, unemployment's already so low.
00:57:32
James
vibe. It's the whole vibe.
00:57:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
There's 10,000 manufacturing jobs in America that that like cannot hire someone to do them now, today.
00:57:49
James
Yep.
00:57:49
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because no one will do them because they don't pay very well. it's not It's not desirable work.
00:57:52
James
Yep.
00:57:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
it's It has no prestige. doesn't give you any money. like
00:57:58
James
Yeah, and exactly. there's a I just put that this stuff in the lotion, too, because I was reading about this earlier in the week.
Economic Inequality and Wealth Redistribution
00:58:04
James
you know There's actually been polling out here, right? um There's polling out just this last week. It said, you know, plenty of people agree that Trump, the U.S., should bring back its industrial sector, right? Actually, it's in August. It was a few months ago.
00:58:16
James
80% of Americans in August said that the country will be better off if more Americans worked in manufacturing, right? But in the same poll, it was very smart.
00:58:28
James
They asked people, would you be better off if you were working in a factory? Right.
00:58:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
00:58:33
James
So only 25% of Americans said they would be better off.
00:58:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I'm
00:58:37
James
So 80% say, yeah, we need all these manufacturing plants to open here. Would you go there? No, fuck no. You know, I don't want to go there.
00:58:43
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah like like no i'm i'm not work there.
00:58:45
James
I'm not going to go there. And that's why they also have that little link to the Dave Chappelle skit from 2017, right? right Making the same point you're making.
00:58:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
hu
00:58:51
James
and He's like, I want to wear Nikes, bitch. I don't want to make them shits.
00:58:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah Exactly.
00:58:55
James
You know what mean?
00:58:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
00:58:56
James
Because want to wear Nikes. I don't want to make them. You know, it's about leave those jobs in China. What the hell you talking about? Why do we want to bring those jobs here, man? i don't want to do that shit, you know?
00:59:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yep
00:59:05
James
And it's everybody. It's the whole thing. It's all, it's that's why they're talking about they govern on the vibes. That's what Trump's doing. They're governing on the vibes. Hey, we need less illegals here. Let's get them all out.
00:59:17
James
Hey, we need manufacturing plants. Let's bring all these plants. Let's build these plants. But Americans don't want to do the job that they're doing. They don't want to work these factories. Those jobs already exist and they can't be filled.
00:59:27
James
You know?
00:59:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what Americans want to do honestly, what they want to do is, is work the same jobs that they're working now and just get paid an amount that allows them to take a vacation, to take six months off, to have a child and stay home with them for a while, to not go bankrupt.
00:59:28
James
Just have money.
00:59:37
James
For more money, for a lot more money and benefits.
00:59:41
James
Yeah. Shocker. Yeah.
00:59:49
James
Yep.
00:59:50
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
If there, if there's a medical emergency, you know, like,
00:59:54
James
Mm-hmm. But when you govern.
00:59:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
to not to not constantly be in a cycle of of debt and borrowing because like, y'all, I'm paying off my debt, but I'm still just making my minimum payment.
01:00:01
James
Yep.
01:00:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So it's never really going down.
01:00:07
James
Mm-hmm.
01:00:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So now I'm borrowing more money because like, ah, the the the tire broke this time.
01:00:09
James
Yeah.
01:00:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And now, at you know, like what they want is to not be so fucking squeezed.
01:00:13
James
That's where am.
01:00:18
James
Mm-hmm.
01:00:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And the way to do that has nothing to do with like, moving industries around it has everything to do with transferring wealth from the top which has the vast majority of the like the like america has become dramatically more productive over the last hundred years but the the wages for most people have not like gone up in a commensurate way at all like because all the money is like captured at the top
01:00:39
James
ah heaven No, it started going up under Biden.
01:00:48
James
Until Biden. Man, it was it was working with Biden. Problem is, it's not fast enough.
01:00:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, it's not fast enough.
01:00:54
James
It was going up. I know, but the wages were going up. Inflation was going down. Wages were outpacing inflation. But People want something fast. and When prices go up, if there's a big crash or something like that now all the prices go up immediately, people want a fast fix.
01:01:08
James
They want prices to go the other way and make it cheaper and just doesn't work that way and people don't understand.
01:01:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
people but people want want something People want something fast ongoing.
01:01:13
James
Mm-hmm.
01:01:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The need to solve this problem like 70 years
01:01:16
James
Mm-hmm. 30, 40 years? Not 70. even It's like 40 years old.
01:01:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ongoing like the need to solve this problem is like seventy years old
01:01:22
James
30 to 40 years It's Reagan. Reagan. it's like forty years old thirty to forty years old it's reagan reagan
01:01:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Do you think it's it's Reagan?.................................
01:01:30
James
It's from Reagan on, you know, and here's what happened. There's a big collapse. You know, you had the oil collapse. You had the OPEC stuff in the late 70s, the Iran hostage crisis. You couldn't do a fast fix.
01:01:42
James
Jimmy Carter had the appropriate fix, but it's not a fast fix. And what did that happen? Americans said, fuck that. I want a fast fix. He's promising a fast fix. I'm to go with Reagan. And then they started doing all these and all these policies, you know, that were really going to screw everybody.
01:01:58
James
But, like Trump is doing, you have scapegoats, man. You start, you know, going to war in Panama, which they did in the eighties. You know, we go into Nicaragua.
01:02:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
very...
01:02:11
James
We're going to do this stuff here. we're You know, they had Beirut. You have all these other, other distractions. You had the cold warrior, the evil empire, the Soviets, right? Another good distraction, man. Go back to the whole, let's fighting the commie reds.
01:02:23
James
Let's do a, you know, an arms race. There was lot of other distractions, right? And, um, And people take their eye off the ball. That's what happens. People take their off the ball for a little bit.
01:02:34
James
And they they always want to blame the other. Just like right now we're doing it to immigrants. Before it was the commies, man. was the reds, you know. So they always have somebody else. They just they deflect. They deflect people's attention from their economic things. That's going to screw them.
01:02:48
James
Give them a boogeyman to hate, you know. Keep up the propaganda on that. And then you just keep on going. You know, that's that's that's what the right wing does, man. And now it's been like 30, 40 years after 30, 40 years, you know, hey, the felt the fall of the Soviet Union, right? Soviet Union collapsed.
01:03:05
James
Oh, shit. Soviet Union collapsed. What happened here? You're right. There was no boogeyman, right? For a while when there no boogeyman, then people were like, yeah, the economy sucks in 91, right?
01:03:16
James
volcom And then what happened? There's no boogeyman. The economy sucks. They go it back to change. They got Clinton, right? Then we had the huge rise in the 90s, man, the best economics everywhere. That's why got reelected twice, you know?
01:03:29
James
You had a real 50-50 election, 2000. What happened? Boogeyman. Cool. Osama bin Laden. Thank God they did this. Now, boom. Bush's popularity sword. They kept screwing the working person.
01:03:41
James
yeah Happened for another you know eight years, right?
01:03:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Citizens United.
01:03:46
James
Citizens United. Everything keeps screwing the workers. Keep screwing the workers. Throw them a boogeyman. Throw this. with War on terror. you know Patriot Act.
01:03:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
ah the gays.
01:03:53
James
you know
01:03:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
The gays didn't really work because gays weren't a good boogeyman.
01:03:54
James
yeah The gays. The gay stuff. They weren't a good boogeyman. People got tired of the war. Boogeyman got old. But
01:04:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And they were like, the trans, the trans are the real boogeyman.
01:04:04
James
brand but ah but then what happened? but what happened We had another big, massive crash. right And then you got Obama. right Hey, you got Obama now. yay The economy started getting better again. Economy got better. It wasn't fast, but it was in the right direction. People started getting health insurance.
01:04:22
James
People don't have patience. If people ride it out, man, You know, inflation goes down, wages going up, things are going good.
01:04:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
People, dude, patience is a luxury you have to be able to afford.
01:04:33
James
Yeah, but the thing is, it was rising. People were getting better. was going better in the 2000s, but people just, it wasn't quite fast enough. They kind of went and changed. Hey, know what?
01:04:43
James
Yeah, there's nothing, there's no big boogeyman to focus on.
01:04:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
even Even in the Obama years, the the wealth transfer is still accelerating that the rich are taking from the poor.
01:04:46
James
And
01:04:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's like the wealth is still moving upwards and not coming back down.
01:04:59
James
true and in some
01:05:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And and and not it wasn't just doing doing that, like continuing to move that way. It was accelerating in how much was moving that way. And like the the the financial crisis and the bailing out the banks and like no one went to jail and no regulations came in to say like, yeah, you can't make bets on bets on bets and like call call it a trillion bajillion dollars and then get bailed out when you're fucked because obviously that's a stupid plan.
01:05:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like you can't do this shit. Like we did we did nothing to punish him. all that happens under All that happens under Obama.
01:05:27
James
not
01:05:30
James
They're going to get punished because people want the retribution. They want the instant gratification of seeing somebody go to jail. But they did make a lot of good changes. They just got undone again by Trump.
01:05:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
okay but but somebody's but but a lot of people should have gone to jail like this is the thing it's it's the same thing that they said about trump they were like if nobody goes to jail when you try to have a coup when you have an insurrection there's no there's no disincentive to not do it again it's like it's like and like think of like every movie okay we're like in the beginning there's like a fight between like the heroes group and the villains group and like you know, some, some people on the heroes group get like shot in the shoulder and like, Oh, you know, a bunch of the like nameless henchmen get killed.
01:06:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then the villain leaves. And then he he, just keeps like fucking with them for the rest of the movie. And he comes back at the end. And when does the movie end? And like, the problem is no longer the problem when they killed the motherfucker. Like if you, if you just let them keep coming back to like, to fuck you over, like, Oh, Nope.
01:06:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Didn't work this time. Try again. Like, then they're going to just keep doing it. Like this story is everywhere. Like, look at, look at like any comic book, like, Oh yeah, we don't kill the villains.
01:06:37
James
Well, here's the thing.
01:06:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So then they just try again. Should have just deleted the villains.
01:06:46
James
Well, what the Supreme Court did in their ruling on the president having immunity and what this election, the last presidential election, 2024 election, to keep with your whole scenario of villains and heroes, we what we saw was the end of Infinity War, part one.
01:07:06
James
go He got his immunity.
01:07:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
can you Can you check the look at the chat real quick? Can you you rant for a few minutes?
01:07:12
James
Okay, yeah. yeah So like what I say is it's like the end of Infinity War. you know you know the trump the The Supreme Court says, yeah, the president gets the unlimited immunity.
01:07:24
James
You can't even investigate anything he does if it's an official act. Setting the stage for it's like just like just like Thanos collecting his stones, man. It was set up. You know that you can't let him get it.
01:07:37
James
But somehow they let him get that stone anyway. They know that he becomes president. And right about now is when he's snapping his fingers, you know, and killing half of all life, you know. And cool. That's, you know, that's about where we are right now in the first scene, you know.
01:07:52
James
and we're just not quite there yet to get to the next one, you know. Now, I don't think all hope is lost. I don't think that ah we're quite there.
01:08:04
James
could
Hope Amidst Chaos and Market Crash Speculation
01:08:05
James
be, you know? it could It could be really awful, and it could go down that horrible slope in the Nazism, and we are dangerously close, you know?
01:08:15
James
I'm still waiting for somebody to play the role of Thor, you know? And come and chop his head off, whatever, but, ah you know, <unk>re we're still not quite there, and... um
01:08:27
James
there's still events that could cause it not to go totally off the deep end. You know, maybe we need a market crash. If we have a big market crash, which I think is going to come, ah think people have always proven, voters have always proven that when they have that big, huge crash, that's when people, you know, kind of come to their senses a little bit and go the other way.
01:08:49
James
And that might be, uh, the market crash might be, you know, the, the analogies is equivalent to fat Thor chopping his head off. And then we might,
01:08:56
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, so let's game this out. I like this ah this Thanos... um I like this analogy a lot, actually.
01:09:01
James
and analogy.
01:09:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but So let's game it out outside of the analogy.
01:09:05
James
Yeah.
01:09:06
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like
01:09:07
James
Yeah.
01:09:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you know What is... um
01:09:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So like the first thing... It's good analogy. The first thing that happens in the solution was um was killing Thanos, right?
01:09:24
James
Yeah.
01:09:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But what you see very clearly, like what they did a good job in that movie you're showing is that killing Thanos does not fix the problem.
01:09:32
James
It didn't solve everything. It doesn't. It doesn't solve everything.
01:09:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Then,
01:09:34
James
And then
Presidential Accountability and Long-term Impact
01:09:35
James
all those people come back. Oh my God, what happened? Oh my God, you moved on. You got married. You have another family. Oh, ah I was...
01:09:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah.
01:09:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
No, no, but like killing, killing Thanos didn't solve that. Cause they still had to, they had to do a whole bunch of other, they had to go back and undo it.
01:09:43
James
Correct. Deal with...
01:09:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know they had to go back in time to like prevent it from happening to get everyone back.
01:09:49
James
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Which you can't do.
01:09:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But,
01:09:53
James
Which that we can't do. But I think it's like otherwise it's a good analogy because that's what what we would be.
01:09:55
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah.
01:09:56
James
We can stop him.
01:09:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So, so stopping Trump would be like, like a part, a part one.
01:10:00
James
Cutting his head off in a moment.
01:10:02
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
01:10:03
James
yep
01:10:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
stuff Whatever kind of way that that takes, but like, what is the, what does it look like?
01:10:05
James
There is no undoing it. There is no undoing it. we have to
01:10:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, what are the real things that would happen that could happen that would be us winning?
01:10:17
James
Well, here.
01:10:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, Like, is is kilmar is Kilmar coming home and the Supreme Court holding in, like, some chump admission?
01:10:18
James
here's
01:10:22
James
I think he's
01:10:25
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, is, like, the contempt somebody goes to jail? Like, is that the system holding?
01:10:28
James
Oh, no, that's not going to happen. Well, maybe if the Supreme Court and their rulings rules as part of of the things that, you know, flagrantly disobeying a court order by definition is not an official act.
01:10:44
James
And you would get no immunity for that.
01:10:47
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Hmm.
01:10:47
James
They could do that. I mean, the Supreme Court already in their official immunity, presidential unlimited immunity ruling did say they left in that ruling that they are basically the sole arbiters of what is and what is not an official act.
01:11:00
James
You know, maybe there is threat of jail time.
01:11:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:11:04
James
Maybe there is threat of these things. Hey, that's not ah that can't be an official act. If you're going against the Supreme Court rule, you're going against the courts. By definition, you're breaking the law. That is not an official act because you can't have an official act of breaking the law.
01:11:17
James
Maybe, you know, so they that could happen.
01:11:19
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:11:21
James
You know, I don't think these people are coming home for years, though. I mean, I don't think they're coming home for years. I think to all those people sent there, ah and ah some of them aren't going to make it. A lot of those people
Market Crash as a Wake-up Call
01:11:31
James
are going to watching news stories in four years or five years when these people, I think, will come back beaten, PTSD, disabilities, horrible things are going to happen to them over the next four years. Some of them will die in custody.
01:11:46
James
You know, there'll be lawsuits against the government.
01:11:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Mm-hmm.
01:11:48
James
The government's going to pay their families money, you know. We're going to have, I think, here's what's going to happen. I think it would be a huge market crash. More than anything, a huge market crash. Now, we're going to screw over. This is going to be such a dark place before it gets better.
01:12:04
James
But sometimes it has to get dark in order for it to get better because people will just blindly clap their hands like seals. Hey, America's so strong. We're number one. Yay. It takes a big, huge crash. It takes horrible events to shock people into reality and say, hey,
01:12:22
James
Things aren't good.
Challenges to Transformative Change
01:12:23
James
Maybe we need like 30% unemployment, 40% unemployment, recession, depression type levels. So people will be.
01:12:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You remember, this is what I said that I thought Trump was going to be the first time.
01:12:32
James
But here's the thing. yeah
01:12:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
was a shock to the system.
01:12:35
James
Yeah, but here's the thing. I don't think it'll swing in such a way that you think it will. I think it'll be more like at the Thanos analogy. All these people can come back.
01:12:46
James
They will get rid of the problem. We will start to rebuild stuff. We'll get some things back. And we're going to be in a state of, wow, we are way worse off than we were four years ago.
01:12:57
James
and We got to get better from here. But I don't think it'll be some transformative thing. A, you got people in the Supreme Court who aren't going to allow it to happen. you're still going have that conservative major majority. you know I don't think just based on the electoral math in the maps of this country, you're not going to get some huge 70, you're not going to get 67 Democratic senators in there.
01:13:16
James
You're not going to get those kind of things. You'll get a majority. I think they'll get a majority back in everywhere. I think they will be able to enact changes, undo damage, start fixing everything, get everything everything stable, and put us back on the nice path of rebuilding and moving ahead and good growth and everything like that.
International Consequences of Drastic Actions
01:13:35
James
And what's going to happen? You can't fix everything in four years. And that's what I worry about because people are so damn impatient, you know?
01:13:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You can't fix everything in four years. You can fix one thing.
01:13:50
James
Yes, but like Biden fixed a whole fuckload of things
01:13:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You can, it's it's like a classic, like you can do anything, not everything. You can do anything. You can do anything. If Trump wanted to end the the war in Ukraine in within 24 hours, he could.
01:14:04
James
He gives Ukraine a bunch nukes.
01:14:05
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Exactly.
01:14:07
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Exactly.
01:14:07
James
Hey, Ukraine, here you go Here is 25,000 nukes and here is the best things here. And hey, you know what? I think you guys need about a squadron of 150 F-35s, and I think you need this, and I think you need that. Oh, you need the best
Trade Wars and Global Relations
01:14:22
James
shit, man.
01:14:22
James
You know what? You don't have a military?
01:14:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yep.
01:14:24
James
Let's give you a couple of carrier task forces. you I mean, just fucking just go nuts, man. and You know, yeah, they could. They could end the war real quick.
01:14:31
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Exactly. They could have ended it real quick.
01:14:33
James
It ain't gonna happen. Yeah.
01:14:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay. But you can't you you can't do that without a cost and without provoking Russia.
01:14:39
James
and
01:14:40
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Right?
01:14:40
James
Yep, yep.
01:14:41
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You can't do it for free. You can't do it at the same time as your... You know, you can have a ah trade war with China, but you can't have a trade war with China while also having a trade war with
01:14:53
James
The rest of the world.
01:14:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Everywhere else, including the island of penguins, because you're a fucking moron.
01:14:57
James
Yeah.
01:14:58
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Right. Like, so.
01:15:00
James
Yeah, wed we'd have a better chance of beating a trade war against China if everybody else knew that we were their friends in the EU and Canada, didn't think that we're going to try and invade them and help Russia.
01:15:11
James
Yeah, you lose all credibility. You pick a fight with everybody.
01:15:14
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, you
Economic Policies and Wealth Redistribution
01:15:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
you so like you can't you can't have, ah you know, you can't solve all of income inequality.
01:15:15
James
It's kind of hard to win.
01:15:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
All at once, you can't, but you can raise the minimum wage to $50 an hour and you can you can raise the the lowest marginal tax rate to be like if you're in the bottom 30% of of of earners in a year you pay no tax.
01:15:28
James
Yeah.
01:15:31
James
Tax the ultra, ultra, ultra rich. And yes, you can pay for that.
01:15:43
James
Well, they basically don't anyway now, but yeah, I know they get it back, but and know what you're saying, but like basically, but here's the thing though. Biden did that.
01:15:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like you can make some really big meaningful swings that will get everyone excited and get people going, oh, that affected my life in a meaningful way.
01:15:52
James
Yeah.
01:16:00
James
And here's the thing, though. But here's the thing I get pissed about. Biden mostly did that shit in four years. Minimum wage didn't go up, although the companies kind of almost started doing it themselves. A lot states did it. You know, we got all this investment. We got all these things going.
01:16:14
James
we We made the the economy get better. Wages were rising up. Inflation going. We finished on, you know, they got past the COVID stuff. ah So many things. Almost everything was finally humming along nicely. You know what mean?
01:16:29
James
right at the time the election happens. Shit was actually fucking good.
01:16:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But he only he only did the digging us out of the hole part.
01:16:34
James
You know?
01:16:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, digging us out of the hole is not sexy.
01:16:40
James
No, it's not. But that's what the Democrats always have to do.
01:16:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, but but this is what I'm saying.
01:16:44
James
And then...
01:16:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
is This is not what they always have to do. The Republicans get away with, like, oh, we gave away a $5 trillion dollar tax cut.
01:16:51
James
It's what we've had to do for the last years, man.
01:16:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
what could you imagine Could you imagine if the Democrats gave $5 trillion dollars to the lowest 50% of wealth hold holders in the country, if they just gave $5 trillion dollars to the bottom.
01:17:08
James
Well, yes, I do.
01:17:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
yeah And what that would look like is like, it would look like 100 million people getting like
01:17:09
James
But here's the other thing. Inflation would skyrocket.
01:17:15
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
two hundred k
01:17:16
James
Yeah, but here's the thing. Then costs would skyrocket and inflation would overnight fucking go ballistic and we'd be paying, you know, you'd be paying $30 dozen eggs and instead of
01:17:28
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, but yeah, prices would go up, but wages would go up, and no one would have any debt. So the cost of borrowing money would go way down because no one would have any debt.
01:17:40
James
Hmm. Yeah. I mean, there maybe there would be unintended consequences if you went that fast. The thing about giving the rich people lot of money, it doesn't hurt inflation.
01:17:46
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Look, man, if you if you give five if you can give $5 trillion to the top, you can give $5 trillion to the bottom.
01:17:52
James
Here's a difference. so And here's the difference. You give $5 trillion to the top, what do they do with it? They hoard it. It doesn't go back into the economy.
01:18:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They buy the next, they buy, they, they make it so that, you know, Facebook buys Instagram is what happens when you give 5 trillion to the top is they consolidate, they monopolize.
01:18:00
James
It doesn't cause inflation.
01:18:11
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You go from having, you know, 85 different weapons manufacturers in the military industrial complex to having seven.
01:18:21
James
That's a little different. I mean, that's different's that's different. That's corporate monopolies. You know what I mean? and that's that's things That's different than just tax breaks to the rich. You what mean? That's business practice.
01:18:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
But this is this is what they do. They invested
Antitrust Laws and Economic Disparities
01:18:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
in, like, excuse me, the way that those things happen, like they invested in BlackRock or
01:18:33
James
We could just enforce the anti... I think here's the thing. They could just enforce the the antitrust laws. they they're You know, the the yeah Sherman antitrust... yeah we're Not Sherman antitrust... ah The monopoly. Isn't it Sherman Nature Trust? i believe that is it. Yeah, Sherman Nature Trust laws.
01:18:48
James
They could just enforce that and not let people do these big, massive mega mergers and shit. They could just enforce that and then that wouldn't happen.
01:18:56
James
i mean, they just don't. Because they collect money from these people and they get donations.
01:19:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They don't.
01:19:03
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Because, exactly, because now the money is tied into the elections, because money is speech.
01:19:03
James
and that's Excuse me, excuse me, gratuities. Gratuities. Gratuities. Yeah, exactly. But I mean...
01:19:12
James
Just giving the tax rates to the rich people, that's why it doesn't cause inflation, though. The thing you're talking about is a little different. It's tangently related, but it's not the same thing. you know If you gave $5 trillion, just boom, to the poor...
01:19:23
James
Yeah, you'd have inflation go rampant. Now, what you could do on your thing is very similar. I mean, they're similar ideas. You could simply say, hey, we're going to use we're going to tax an extra $5 trillion.
01:19:34
James
We're going to enforce these things here. We're ah we're not going to give these rich a $5 trillion tax cut. In fact, they're going to get into big tax increase or just you know take out some of the loopholes and make them pay without the loopholes, whatever.
01:19:45
James
You get $5 trillion more. dollars You could just use that to, yes, ah You don't to just give it to people. i wouldn't I
01:19:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I
Consumer Behavior and Inflation Concerns
01:19:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
mean,
01:19:54
James
would not be in favor of just giving it to people and direct payment payments like they did with COVID stuff, you know, because that does spike inflation.
01:20:01
James
But you could do it in other ways. You could make it so that schools are all, universities are free. You could pay to that. Tuition paid by the government. You could do things like that, right? Which, in effect, do the same thing. You know what mean? It's still, it's a cost that the person doesn't have to have, right? Right.
01:20:15
James
you can do There's a lot of things you can do with it with rather than just putting it directly, immediate stimulus into the economy. Because that will make people's lives much happier. make You'd get voters, but you would inflation would go skyrocketing.
01:20:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't think that it would. Honestly, I don't think that it would. I think people would pay off their debt and they would, and every time you you pay off your debt, you're just building wealth. Like that's the first thing everyone would do.
01:20:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Everyone gets 200, everyone gets $250,000. The first thing they do is they pay off their car and they pay off their house. They pay off their credit card debt.
01:20:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
That's the first thing.
01:20:56
James
No, it's not necessarily.
01:20:57
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Then, ah but then, ah then, then, like,
01:20:58
James
It should be. It should be probably, but it's not. There are so many people say, oh my God, paying off your debt is stupid. You can put $250,000 into the stock market right now.
01:21:08
James
And then you will make more money over the long run rather than paying off your debt. And there's a lot of truth to that, by the way. You know what mean? And then something else happens. And then they're like, oh, the stocks went down. I still haven't paid off everything off.
01:21:19
James
And they lose their job. And now that doesn't mean they're to pay their debt.
01:21:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay, but then, look, money going into the stock market also isn't going to cause inflation. That's the same shit that happens when you give it to the rich people.
01:21:29
James
Yeah, or crypto or some other bullshit. You never know, man. i mean, either way.
01:21:33
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like ah bunch of Like, a bunch of people would pay off their debt.
01:21:33
James
Yeah.
01:21:36
James
yeah
01:21:37
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
A bunch of people would invest in assets. And what it would be is it wouldn't be... it
Public Perception and Political Power Cycles
01:21:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
wouldn't There would be a ton of of of ah action on, like, the goods markets because everybody would buy...
01:21:51
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
a Mac and a car and, you know, and a new iPhone, et cetera.
01:21:56
James
and ver everybody And everybody has that big chunk of free money right off the bat and they start buying stuff, everybody's going to raise prices. That's how it works. I mean, that is how it works.
01:22:07
James
Everybody has money to buy stuff. Everybody starts buying stuff. Everybody's going prices. You know? But it doesn't really matter. I'm just saying. i can't remember how we got onto onto this subject because this is...
01:22:18
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We were talking about what, We went down a, you know, what is Avengers Endgame Part 2 look like?
01:22:22
James
Rabbit hole. Oh, yeah, that Thanos thing worked. Yeah, and and i think more realistically I think more realistically is we would snap our fingers.
01:22:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
01:22:31
James
Shit's going get really bad, and the Democrats are have to do what the Democrats always have to do. At least, I mean, they had to do it. Biden had to do it. Obama had to do it. Clinton had to do it.
01:22:42
James
To some degree, Carter had to do it. You know, not as much. It wasn't an economic collapse when he took over. It was just a – it was more of a – I mean, it was a trust thing. You know, they they had they had corrupt Republicans before him. you know mean I mean, Democrats always have to clean up messes.
01:23:00
James
You know what mean? They always have to clean up somebody else's fuck-ups and messes, and they have to kind of like, okay, guys, we have to start over. Let's start over, you know?
01:23:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I should make somebody else clean up their mess.
01:23:08
James
And that's what happened. What's that?
01:23:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We should make them clean up our mess.
01:23:13
James
Yeah. Well, kind of hard to do that if we keep cleaning up the mess.
01:23:16
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We're going to get, but they're going to like, they're going to yell about how we've made a mess no matter what we do.
01:23:18
James
Yeah.
01:23:21
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like, you know, and you come in with with Biden and you like work your mop, like a 70 year veteran of the janitorial scene and you like, you clean it up real good.
01:23:21
James
Yeah.
01:23:29
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
They're still going to say that you just like spent all the money on like booze and champagne and fuck hookers the entire time. Like, It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you do. They're still going to accuse you of doing the worst shit. So what you should do is whatever the fuck you want.
01:23:44
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Don't clean it.
01:23:45
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Don't clean it. Fuck it. Don't clean it. If they're not going to clean it, I'm not going to clean it either. I'm not cleaning up after you.
01:23:45
James
yeah
01:23:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You're going to talk about how I just did all this horrible shit. Like I'm going to go out there and I'm going to just dump money on people. So that when you come out and say like, oh, it was so horrible and Biden's ruining the economy and be like, I don't know. I bought a new truck.
01:24:08
James
Yeah.
01:24:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I don't know. Like, look, look, my me-maw don't like Biden and I, you know, I don't really love them gays, but like my new truck is brand new.
01:24:10
James
Maybe. I mean, maybe they didn't maybe they need to go that far.
01:24:17
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And then man, that baby's got a ah v eight and it sings, you know, like, like it's that simple.
01:24:19
James
i Yeah, maybe.
01:24:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like.
01:24:28
James
Yeah. But,
Economic Analogies and Climate Predictions
01:24:30
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
but So before before we get into like wrapping up, I do want to like, this is an analogy from the Bill Burr thing that that was really good. So wanted to like to share it here because like that was the only place that I heard it and I thought it was really good.
01:24:30
James
that's just...
01:24:42
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And he he just, he broke down the economy and the taxes into numbers that make sense to people. He was like, look, we're a family.
01:24:54
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
We make $50,000 a year. We spend a year on our credit card. We have $370,000 of debt. What Trump saying we should do give away $50,000, so year's
01:25:04
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
worth year's worth expenses. is saying we should increase expenses
01:25:09
James
text ourselves.
01:25:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
is give away fifty thousand dollars so a year's worth of income or a year's worth of expenses you know ah yeah he he's actuallyally saying we should increase our expenses to to to $120,000 a year on the credit card while we're still making only $50,000. You know, like when you put it in that context, it seems like like abject nonsense.
01:25:39
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
You know, like if you make $50,000 a year and you spend $70,000 a year on your credit card, like your credit card, you know what I mean? No one would give you any more money after that.
01:25:51
James
Yep. Mm-hmm.
01:25:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah. i so I, I just, I really like those numbers, but like, you know, when it's not, when it's not 5 trillion and 7 trillion and 37 trillion, those are like magic numbers. They don't, they're not real, you know, but 50,000, 70,000, 370,000.
01:26:08
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Those are the numbers that everyday people live in.
01:26:11
James
and
01:26:12
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Those numbers make, make such sense. Okay. So let's try to let's let's enter our, ah wrapping it up phase.
01:26:24
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um Give me a prediction or a what could go right.
01:26:31
James
Uh, what's going to go right is that and within two or three months, shit is going to be going so wrong that I don't think Republicans are going to be able to get away with doing of anything they want to do because the public sentiment will be so against what they're doing because shit is going be so bad that I think they're going real hard pressed to to get anything else they want to get done.
01:26:56
James
I think the backlash will be like, oh my god, these fuckers are suggesting this? No fucking way. you guys are You guys have had enough. And I think it'll just be... ah things we but I think to be bad. We're a few months away from things being really, really bad.
01:27:10
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
It's already really bad.
01:27:10
James
That's all I can say. and then that's And that's a good thing. That's the best.
01:27:13
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
feel like ah i feel like the only reason things aren't bad right now is because of like Democrats doing so much to like save Republicans from themselves.
01:27:21
James
Try to keep it.
01:27:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
And it's exactly the same thing that i said that they shouldn't do is that they but like like don't save them. like They voted for Republicans. Let us have Republican rule. like
01:27:33
James
um
01:27:34
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Let them whip their dick out and fuck our wives in front of us.
01:27:35
James
and Actually, actually, actually, time out for a second, because I know you're in the wrap it up phase, but i was reading this article actually about why Schumer and Shaheen and all of them are like, and there's a whole article how they're all breathing a sigh of relief that they did what they did on the budget thing.
01:27:36
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
like Let it be horrific.
01:27:53
James
Because for that reason, right now, the Trump administration is imploding on their own and nobody can blame the Democrats. And they're like, they they they're all saying like, they actually finally feel vindication now.
01:28:05
James
And like Fetterman and a lot of other people are even saying, yeah, it looks like they luckily did make the right call by not shutting the whole government down, you know, month and a half ago and making all this pain accelerated a little bit.
01:28:18
James
Because the Democrats didn't get blamed for anything. And now all of the focus is on the Republicans. And everything's falling apart. And the Democrats are not the ones being blamed for it. It's just thought.
01:28:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
I still want the radical change that only comes from people in the streets. I still want the radical change that only comes from everyone being aware of how fucked they are and yelling about it at the same time.
01:28:38
James
um
01:28:41
James
But it's going to happen... Yeah, but know what? This administration is trying to do it. And the Democrats, they have to stop. so They have to try to fight some of this stuff, man. We cannot allow the government to completely get away with just disappearing anybody doesn't want without going to court and just shipping them off to a gulag.
01:28:58
James
I mean, that's a hill we have to die on. Otherwise, we're all really going to die on that hill. Like, literally,
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01:29:04
James
we will all get sent there if they don't stop this shit, you know?
01:29:09
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
So I guess on the same on the same ah trend, my what could go right is is this very space the same as yours, is that the Republicans could continue ah cutting off their nose to spite their face.
01:29:23
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
um And my my prediction, however, is very grim. My prediction is that it will not matter because they have already captured enough of the levers of power that it is rigged and The reason they don't care about shooting themselves in the foot is because they don't have to run another race.
01:29:45
James
Maybe. All right. So we did a, what could be, go right. yeah What could go wrong? What could get worse? I have, I have a couple ideas on that. Cause I think we're about to roll over on Taiwan.
01:29:57
James
And I think we're about to let Taiwan get taken over by China. in an effort to let's stop this whole trade war nonsense. China wants to make a deal. We know what China wants. China wants to take over Taiwan.
01:30:08
James
I think the Trump administration, just like they signaled that they're going to just give up and move on from Ukraine because we're tired of it. I think he's going to say, hey you know what? This economic news is really fucking me over. Oh yeah, sure.
01:30:20
James
Go ahead and take Taiwan.
01:30:22
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Doesn't China give us 90% of our chips?
01:30:22
James
thats
01:30:26
James
No, Taiwan does the world.
01:30:27
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Like makes 90% of the world's chips?
01:30:30
James
Yep. Taiwan does. Yes.
01:30:32
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Yeah, so that's not gonna be great.
01:30:35
James
No, it won't be.
01:30:35
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
not It's not a great deal. Especially when we're cancelling the CHIPS Act. That's how you fight, Shaina.
01:30:40
James
know. But
01:30:43
James
it's not China has the chips. Taiwan has the chips. They do want to take over Taiwan.
01:30:48
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Alright. ah Is that it? are we
01:30:51
James
That's pretty much it, I think.
01:30:52
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
01:30:53
James
but Do watch the video.
01:30:53
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Good afternoon and good luck.
01:30:55
James
yeah Good luck. Good luck for us all. um right.
01:31:00
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Okay.
01:31:00
James
Bye. So, but yeah, like,
01:31:01
GABRIEL ZIEGLER
Bye.