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Transcend Winners Erika Lori and Piotr Babis!
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Welcome to a special episode of the Peak Pursuits podcast where you will get to hear host Jess Jason interview the two winners of the recent Transcend Ultra in Perth.
Hear how the 65km race panned out, from shoe and gear choices to race strategy and nutrition. Erika and Piotr are both full of experience and knowledge in trail running so enjoy learning from the best.
Thanks for joining us on Peak Pursuits! Connect with us on Instagram @peakpursuits.pod and share your thoughts, questions, or your own trail stories. Until next time, keep hitting the trails and chasing those peak pursuits!
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Transcript
00:00:19
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Hello and welcome to this special episode of the Peak Pursuits Podcast. So today we've got Piotr Babes and Erika Lorrie, who are the two winners of the Transcend Ultra that was on last weekend. And today we're going to learn a little bit more about them. so Erica Laurie is an incredible Trio Ultra Athlete. She's sponsored by ASICS, and she's also a star on the basketball court, I've heard.
00:00:51
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i try wouldn't say a stall i would say and very polling star ah She's based over in the Perth Hills and has an amazing ah family that are super talented. um I used to do track running with her brother Mike, so I know him a little bit but haven't met you yet in person, Erica. so um but definitely have heard of some of your amazing results. So I think most well-known is your FKT on the Bibbulman Track, um which for those that aren't familiar with it, it's a 1,000 kilometer long trail that runs from the Perth Hills down to Albany. um And her time of 10 days, 17 hours and 57 minutes um is pretty amazing. There's been other people, including men,
00:01:44
Speaker
trying to attempt to beat this and have failed. So she's just incredible and doing amazing things for women's sport. Some other awesome results that Erica has achieved is second place at Ultra Child Australia, 100K in 2022, and 44th in the CCC, so the 100K at UTMB last year, um and now a win at Transcend. So welcome Erica. Thank you for having me. And we also have Piotr Babus. So Piotr is a terror-sponsored athlete. um He is currently based in Tasmania but originally from Poland and he's got some incredible results um while he's been based in Australia. So in 2022 he came third at Ultra Trail Australia in the 50k. He came second in the Tarawara 50k last year.
00:02:40
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and third at Ultra Trail Australia 100k last year. um He also won the Brisbane Trail Ultra 100 miler last year um was first at the Kunani Mountain Run Ultra in March this year, and now and another um awesome win for the year at Transcend. Piotta has also achieved some awesome results on some of the iconic Australian trails. So ah down in Tasmania, so in his home town, he's got the fastest known time on the 470k
00:03:15
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ah Tasmanian Trail which he did in just under four days. um He's also got the fastest known time on the Larapinta Trail up in the Northern Territory so that's 235 kilometers and he did that solo and unsupported in a time of 53 hours. um And Piotr is also the only person to ever do the Overland track out and back during winter, which is a 160 kilometer long trail. And I also believe you work as a guide on the Overland track, is that true Piotr? And that's correct, I'm actually currently guiding on the Laura Pinter, so the last two months I spent in Alice Springs.
00:03:55
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Yeah, that's awesome. Alright, cool. So, i through to you guys the first question. So, thinking back to your race last weekend, what was your race plan going in? Piotr, you can answer first. I just wanted to see how the race is going to unfold. and and kind of based my strategy on on the field. I wasn't quite sure who I'll be racing. Obviously, I know there's a lot of strong local runners, but I wasn't sure what I can payable off and and what is their strategy. So mainly I wanted to take the first maybe two legs to see ah how the race unfolds and go from there.
00:04:41
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Yeah, because um you were definitely the clear favourite when I was going through, because I commented like commentated the livestream last weekend. and Shane the event organizer was sort of going through the elite athletes and ah you were definitely a clear favourite based off your current form and results from the year. um So was it a surprise um to see that Dale went out so hard um and did you have to sort of dig a little deeper to try and catch him?
00:05:12
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I wasn't surprised that I wasn't leading from the beginning because as I said I just wanted to ease in and see how the race unfolds but it I was definitely surprised how long it took me to catch him um because after after those first two legs I was kind of gently trying to increase the pace and And it seemed like I'm gaining a little bit off on time, but I think at the end of leg three, I was actually lost a bit of time. So I was five minutes behind and at the end of leg four, it was two. So I'm now I'm close, but I also haven't been feeling great during leg four. So I wasn't sure how daily is feeling. So yeah I wasn't sure if I'm going to catch him on that last leg or not. I didn't lose the hope, but um yeah, it was definitely an interesting race.
00:05:59
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Yeah, were you like familiar with the course going in or did you did you run any of the course before or were you going in a bit blind? Absolutely didn know nothing. it's my It was my first time in Western Australia, so I didn't have a chance to to see the course, only just talking briefly with with Shane. I talked with Claire O'Brien. She was very kind and gave me a few tips. Obviously, I look at the the map and elevation profile, but it's pretty hard to have a good understanding of the course, just looking at the map.
00:06:31
Speaker
and So I was definitely surprised and it would be great to to know the course before coming in but you know it is what it is. I only came in on on Thursday so I didn't have any chance to to run on it. Yeah and we'll go into the course a little bit more a bit later but yeah I feel like the WA Trail is definitely sort of catch you out with how difficult they can be. Um, but Erica, you would be someone that's super familiar, um, with the trails over in the Perth Hills. I think your base, you're living in Kalamunda at the moment. So they're literally on your back door stuff. Is that right? Yeah. Monday is about 200 metres from my door. So there's some steep hills like the transcend ones just outside. And, um, I think you've said that you've, you've run the transcend course before with Shane. Is that right?
00:07:21
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Yeah, I did. I did it as a recce actually, when we um just before I did the Bibbulmun. So yeah, I knew the course and I knew shane what Shane had in store. So I think it actually made me quite scared to do that course. It's one of the courses that I've, yeah, because you know so much about it, you're actually kind of more intimidated by it. I usually like the surprise, but yeah, that course. Yeah, it definitely scares me. um yeah and ah What was your race plan going in? because i know like like Claire would have been sort of your main competitor. Did you sort of plan to stick with her or did you plan to go out pretty hard from the start?
00:08:05
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Um, yeah, my plan was to get to the end because my lead up hadn't been that great and I knew how tough the course was. Um, and I know that when I got to run, I'm not very good at running to time. I usually run to feel. And so I usually run pretty hot, like towards my upper level for most of the time. So, um, yeah, I think the aim was to just go out there and then see how I felt on the day, um, and ended up feeling better than I expected, so I guess it turned out to be a but a good run. um Yeah, it was incredible. It was incredible like watching you sort of pick off the men as well. like Your overall placing was fifth overall, which is just incredible. um So like towards the latter stages of the races, were there are any um men that you're sort of sticking with um that made it easier for you to keep pushing?
00:08:59
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In the first three legs, actually, I was running with Allie Wilcox and Ollie Morrell, who I regularly go out trail running with. So it was actually quite nice to keep things a little bit more subdued in the first three legs, especially because they're quite tough. um We got to kind of have a little bit of chat here and there, and so it took a bit of the pressure off and kind of allowed, I think, the back half to be a bit better than it would if I was just running on my own. um Yeah, so we made it enjoyable. Yeah, nice. It's definitely easier to get through an outro when you've got like company and you're not doing it solo the whole time. Definitely.
00:09:38
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um Cool, so next question I had was on the conditions. um So on the start line it was absolutely bucketing down, um which is sort of not what you would expect um when you're heading over to WA thinking you're going to get sunny sort of hot conditions, which is usually our sort of climate. um But Piotr, did this bother you? Did you expect it? What did you do? Did this change your race tactics at all? Yes, I spent the last five years in Tasmania so I feel like no trail on the mainland is technical. So if anything I feel like that would be in my advantage but what I didn't like is is that heavy rain and and obviously the start was before sunrise so the visibility was very
00:10:27
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very limited and that was the beginning of the race and it was pretty crowded. um So that was then the main thing that that bothered me, not to like wet trails per se, but just the lack of visibility. um So I basically tried to stick with a few people and, you know, hoping we're all going to follow the right track. Yeah. What sort of head torch do you use? Like, do you have quite a good one or is it just a cheapy? um That was a pretty good one. It's 400 lumen, but the problem is that the actually the stronger you're going to set it, the less visibility you get because of of the heavy rain. So yeah the the strength of the head torch actually doesn't help in that in that case at all. So so that was it that was the main issue. But I mean, I didn't have any issues and there was quite a few people at the front. We kind of stuck together and and then the eat the rain is down. So from from there on, it was it was pretty smooth.
00:11:23
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Was there much of a river crossing um the course? I think there were a couple of sections where you could ah pretty much jump across on the rocks, so you could get away without getting your shoes wet, which no, they were wet anyway from yeah from the rain, but the river levels were not that high. um Did you change your shoes at all? No, I didn't have time. I was chasing the whole day. I didn't even i didn't even stop at the aid station. i was I was very fortunate to have a support crew. My my friend Brandon, who I met in Alice, moved back to Perth yeah and he crew for me. So it we were just on the go the whole day and I didn't even stop at the aid station. He just passed me the nutrition. So yeah, I definitely wouldn't waste time to
00:12:15
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um to change the shoes, I feel like it's it's a fairly short race. so yeah And what um shoes were you wearing? Do Arcterix do footwear? Yes, they they have much she new model coming up in in August. I use the one that I'm most used to, assert so it's a Nor13. So it's a fairly light shoe with vibram grip, so I feel like it was perfect for for the conditions. Yeah, nice. So Erika, I saw you were wearing the Azix Trebucro Max. How did they go in the wet weather?
00:12:52
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Yeah, they were pretty good. they In the way the weather, they're good. The mud, they fill up. Well, I think everyone's shoes filled up quite quickly. um The lugs just, yeah. Those stages where the river crossings were actually quite good just to rinse them off so you actually got some traction back. um But I guess with some of the steeper downhills and things like that, I found that they were a little less forgiving than like the Fuji lights. which I usually kind of wear, so my toes paid for it a little bit. um Yeah. Would you choose the Fuji lights next time if you could change? Potentially, but I had a bit of sore plantar fascii leading into it, so I went for the so more supportive, of like, rigid shoe. Yeah. the quiet one
00:13:37
Speaker
yeah yeah Was there anything else you did leading up to the race to sort of, um, prepare for the wet weather that was forecasted or? No, I like running in the rain. yeah It makes it more interesting, especially on trails and like, I don't like running hot. Um, so yeah, I appreciate some good rain and it was kind of a cool morning with the mist and, um, everything hanging around. because Yeah, the visibility was hard because of the darkness. But once that, um once it got light, it feels actually pretty good. And yeah, in the afternoon, it kind of got a bit more sunny, so it made it a little bit warmer. But yeah, it enjoyed the more other rain at the start. Yeah, nice. You just got to embrace it sometimes and just not let it get too, too much and you get through it. It's just a bit of water. Yeah, definitely. Especially in trails. Yeah.
00:14:29
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Um, cool. So on the course I've found, um, like, cause I sort of started trail running over in Melbourne and when I was moving back to WA last year, a lot of people sort of said to me, Oh, like you're going to struggle to get your training in. There's no mountains over there. um So I was a little bit worried moving over, but I found the trails over here actually super technical, like a lot more technical than some of the trails you could get over in the Dandenongs in Melbourne. um And you can get like some pretty long climbs in like
00:15:05
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It's definitely a different style of trails over here. like There's a lot of short, sharp hills. um So Piotr, did you, I think you sort of mentioned before that you did find the course a little bit more tough than you expected, but how like how does it compare to the sort of the longer climbs that you'd experience over in Tasmania with ah proper mountains? Yeah, it's just a different type of of racing, especially compared to Konyani when you have those those big climbs. Coincidentally, I actually spent the last two months in Alice, so there's no big mountains over there. So although I haven't been preparing specifically for this race um because I have some other races coming up. But as I said, coincidentally, it was actually perfect preparation because lack of big mountains. um So if you look at the profile, the run I've been doing, it's it's about 200 meters at the time.
00:16:01
Speaker
and then you have to come down and repeat the same hill. So it's it's very similar to the Transcend course. So I think that will work out pretty well and and prepare me for those frequent c climbs on in WA. Yeah. And did you have a favourite part of the course? um Well, I think the Lake 5 and the King of the Hill climb because that's where I finally saw Dale for the first time pretty much yeah after leaving the start line. so And I also started feeling stronger and I was able to actually run the whole section. So that was kind of got a second win and and that's where I took the lead. So I think that pretty felt pretty good.
00:16:43
Speaker
Yeah, and you were both able to get that um King and Queen of the Mountain title through the race, is that right? Yes, yes. yeah That's awesome, because it's usually one of the team runners, so yeah, it just shows how strong you are over the climbs. Would you say you're more of a, um like, your strengths are more on the uphill or on the downhill? I do prefer downhill, I think I'm stronger. I'm not saying I prefer it, but I feel like That's why I usually gain the time. um yeah but you When I run with someone, that's where I see those differences.
00:17:21
Speaker
yeah okay So what did you think was the most difficult part of the course then? I didn't really enjoy like four um just because it kind of comes to that end of the race and you're getting tired but you also cannot give it all because there's another you know 15 10k coming up and that was part of the day I was just getting a bit warmer ah the course is very kind of deceiving because it's very angulating it looks like it's flat but it's actually not it's it's hard to get any like flow
00:17:53
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I also had a bit of an navigation issues. I got to this campsite and I kind of looked the wrong way and I probably had to pull out my phone and and look. ah So and then I was still chasing. I know I'm five minutes behind and another I lost like a minute or two. Although the course was marked perfectly. It's just I was pretty tired. I didn't look at my watch, I think, and took me, of course, and then I had to clog my phone. So, yeah, that didn't feel good because I knew I'm already five minutes behind on the last aid station and then I'm losing more time. So, yeah, I didn't enjoy, like, four. Yeah, it's so stressful when you realise you're, like, off course and you're already so tired and you've got to, like, make up the ground again. um Do you usually download the maps onto your watch for most races?
00:18:43
Speaker
Yes, I do. And it helped in a few places. I'm not ready to just to insure myself. The problem with those maps is that once you go off course, the the water goes kind of all over the place. So it's not it's it's okay to maybe double check. and And if you add the junction, once you get off course, it's not very helpful. So likely, we part of the mandatory gear, you have to have a phone and you have to have app. And it's pretty easy because you know exactly where you are and you just need to kind of regroup and and find the right track. um But yeah, just because I had that option on the watch, I would always have the course as a backup. Yeah. um And Erica, did you get a little bit lost on the course? I thought I heard during the post-race interview, so you did get lost a little bit. Oh yeah, I took a wrong turn after around a few hundred meters extra after the aid station won. Oh no.
00:19:39
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Yeah, so I don't know, there was a sign that was flat on the ground and so I didn't quite see it and there was a little group off to the like left that I missed. So I ran up the road with one of the cameramen. Was it like coming up the aid station? It's like maybe 100 meters? Yeah, so once you get off that little track and then there's like it was there was a kind of a a fire bright trail and I tried to take that one but there was actually a little track off to the left. Yeah, right that's where I slid and I smashed my knee. was also I was also running
00:20:17
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thinking that I'm going to go straight. And then I suddenly saw that sign to the left. And then obviously I reacted before I thought, and I took Taryn. And then, yeah, my knee was pretty beat up and and bleeding for the next few hours, but... Jesus, that's not what you wanted. I haven't made any extra, extra kilometers on that section. so yeah yeah It's a tricky, that yeah that's a few tricky little turns in there. But yeah, it was my fault for not following the signs. Do you usually download the maps to your watch? um Not to my watch. i I'd usually do it to my phone. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of raining and then it's hard to access. So I mean, if you get it out, there's a few guys that came running behind me. So they caught up and I saw them and I was like, okay, we'll just keep going. That's the way. yeah It was Ali and Ali. So it was fun. We just caught up again.
00:21:14
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get it done. What would you say is your favourite part of the course? Favourite part of the course? It's hard because they're all really beautiful but they're all like the beautiful parts are also really hilly and then the easier to run parts are less scenic so I don't know I think but in that run I think the stage like four was probably like the best for me just because I was actually feeling surprisingly good. And it was like, as I said, it was very undulating, but um I managed to keep a good rhythm and just feel good through there. So yeah, that was probably the best for me that day. Yeah, that's awesome. um Would you say this sort of distance is like short for you or is it sort of an ideal distance?
00:22:08
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Actually, it's not yeah it's not too bad. It's probably one of one of the shorter ones that I've done. But with the elevation, it kind of makes up for it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually quite enjoyed it. Yeah, nice. um So just going into nutrition now, Piotr, what um was your nutrition plan? what did What do you use in an ultra? I'm sorry, I use Hammer Nutrition. um I was actually able to to do a whole rays pretty much on that on the liquid calories, which you kind of put in a flask, which makes up calories and electrolytes and maybe
00:22:46
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maybe around eight gels and and also coke. So I'll get probably two, three flasks for each leg and a couple of gels and that will get me through. Yep. So you wouldn't go um any solid food for a race this short? um Usually not. I'm kind of trying my stomach to to just go on on those liquid caries and And yeah, they work pretty well. They just digest quickly and pretty simple to use as well. Yeah, nice. um What about you, Erica? What nutrition did you use? I use the Sys beta fuel um ones pretty much the whole way. And then some of the precision.
00:23:34
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Um, little bites. Oh yeah, the chews. Yeah. But otherwise, yeah, it was just a cis one on the regular and then some tail, and then tail wind. Oh yeah, at the ice stations. Yeah, tail wind in the bottles and water. do you Do you do caffeine during the race? No, I'm not good with caffeine. I don't usually drink coffee or anything like that, so it really helps.
00:24:01
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Yeah, it's not very, it makes me go fast, but then it also makes me crash. Yeah. What about you, Piotr, did you use caffeine? Yeah, I usually have a coffee before the race and I, some of the gels I use will have a coffee in it. So yeah, I do believe in coffee and I enjoy it. So yeah, it's that's handy on the race day as well. As long as you not overdo it. Yeah. As long as you're used to the amount that you're having as well. um
00:24:32
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Yeah, so now going into polls, I did see some of the runners out there using polls. Nick Bamford, he used them in his final little sprint finish. So, Piotr, did you consider using polls? Do you usually use them in a racist distance? um It all depends the the elevation and how easy it is. So, for example, the KMR, I only use it for the first half and then I dropped it with my with my crew. For this race, I initially thought of using it for a leg, then I had a chat with Claire and Shane that kind of like, discouraged me from using them. So I put them just in case with my, with my friend, chromie for this race. And at the beginning, I wasn't really thinking of using them. But then I decided to use them for one of the legs, I think it was like three, which was the most heavy one. And I actually
00:25:26
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I think it was a good decision. I wouldn't use them if I have to carry them for the whole um the race or if I wouldn't have a crew because that would make it easy just dropping it. I wouldn't take it out of my drawback. But because I had a crew, I think they were pretty handy for that one leg. Yeah, nice. Yeah, it's um it's always interesting because I've never used poles myself. and I'm yet to do an Ultra, so it's yeah, it's just super interesting learning from people that have had so much more experience with the Ultra distances. um And what about you Erica, did you consider using poles at Transcend? I did, I had them with my friend who was at aid station three and there was a question of maybe picking them up um around three or four, but I also know the course and the hills aren't quite long enough to for me to
00:26:19
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use the poles. um And sometimes I find the poles, yeah, they kind of interrupt with my running. Sometimes they make me hike a little bit more and without them I'll i'll probably end up jogging a little bit more. and So for the shorter distances and the shorter hills, I yeah went without them. Did you use them at CCC last year? ah Yeah, we needed them at CCC. CCC was a heck of a run for me. i was yeah It wasn't my Well, it was a beautiful run, but it was definitely not my best. um It's a whole different base, that one. Piotr, have you been to UTMB before? No, I haven't yet. I thought of going this year, but got some other plans. I've been to Chamonix before I actually started trail running.
00:27:08
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yeah Yeah, maybe maybe next year. say Did you start trail running once you moved to Australia or were you doing it over in Europe? I lived in Canada before coming to Australia. so I think I started trail running in 2017. yeah Yeah, I could probably race this year, but I just prioritize different things. And, um, I know it's sort of like a pinnacle for all the trail runners, but I think it's nice to maybe, um, you know, uh, take time and maybe do it when, when I feel it's a, it's a right time. Yeah. two Yeah. It sounds like a beast of a race, like a lot of people, um, that are amazing runners.
00:27:51
Speaker
sort of fail to finish it. So yeah, it's, it's incredible just to like get over that finish line. So I'd love to be there one day. but think It's also pretty hard from Australia if you, um, cause you don't have those long climbs very specific to, yeah um, so you're putting yourself on a big disadvantage. So maybe idea would like to do it when, when I have a couple months ah to train in Europe. Yeah. because training on the 200 metre heel, that's probably not ideal. I mean, that's why I do have a race not just with massive climbs, but it's just a bit shorter race. Yeah. A lot of other aspects as well I found that were a bit different, just altitude and climbing and stuff. That's how the guts and things like that go. It's a whole different thing.
00:28:43
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Yeah, I heard a lot of people got quite nauseous from the altitude. Did you experience that? Yep. Yeah, that was why my run turned into a hike. um Yeah, for about a 50K in. Yeah. Destroying. And is that just um sort of needing to get acclimatized for a longer period before jumping into a race with that amount of altitude? Yeah, maybe. I was actually feeling quite good in the lead up. So I don't know, just on the day it was wasn't a great day. Yeah, fair enough. Lots of people that were over there also found the same thing, but I guess even you look at some of the best and they take a couple years um to get used to those type of courses. Yeah, yeah. um So moving back to Transcend, Piotr, do you think you'll do this race again?
00:29:34
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ah Definitely, if if it fits my my racing schedule for next year, I'd love to be back. It's a lot of good things. I can like can say about the race and the organisers, so i if I do have a chance, I'd love to be back. yeah Now I know the course a little bit better, so hopefully I can do a bit better time as well. Did you get to explore much of WA while you were over here? A little bit down south, I so spent a little bit of time in Paris. and hang out on the coast. It's only a few days, so as much as I can, but as I could. But yeah, probably not enough. Maybe I need to come back and maybe do the Bivoulin track. Yeah. Yeah, you should definitely um check out the Bivoulin track and even the Sterling Rangers. I feel like you would love them. Yeah, I'll help Cree. Okay, deal. Calm necks here. Sounds good.
00:30:30
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um What about you Erica, would you do Transcend again? Yeah, definitely yeah, You can get your time down even more. um Yeah, I guess we could see about that. yeah My legs are pretty destroyed after that one. but That could have been the lack of training, let's be honest.
00:30:51
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Oh no, you crushed it. um Cool, and next race is coming up. Piotr, you're over in Brisbane for BTU 30. How are you feeling for it? Yes, I feel like the legs are back. Probably won't know entirely until the race day and hopefully I can... I can get it to the finish line. The reason it would be a good time, it's not something I would usually do to race two, not really ultra, but two long races we just a week apart, but just sort of how it would work out for me with with my work and and also logistics. Funny enough, it's actually half price to fly across the continent than to fly back to Alice. So it worked out pretty well for me and it's my fourth time in Brisbane. so
00:31:40
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Yeah, great to be back. So that's that's yeah that's for the for this weekend. Yeah, and what about after that for the rest of the year? What are your plans? I'm going back to Larapinta for another month and end of July I'm flying to Europe and I'm going to be racing the Polish Skyrunning tramps um which is 70k with 5,000 meters of climbing so having said about those small c climbs i'm I'm hoping to head to those mountains and train on the course for for a couple of weeks just before the race or not just before but
00:32:18
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two or three weeks before, so hopefully I can condition my lakes for those longest sense and descents. And then I'll be biking in Australia and I might be my first biker ultra in November. Oh wow. ah So see how that goes and I haven't decided 100% on it but it's definitely the on the calendar. And maybe a Grampians, I'm not sure if it's going to be a miler, maybe a stage race. But that's what I have. pencillin But definitely the main race is is the August in Poland. Yeah, awesome. And now what are the trails like over in Poland? Are they um similar to Chamonix or are they different?
00:33:01
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um yeah a little bit similar probably not the mountains are not as big but there's also it's also a pine top mountain so uh two and a half thousand meters uh meter high so you can get uh pretty pretty good training there so i'm looking forward to <unk> running those trails yeah that sounds epic um what about you erica what races do you have coming up Um, uh, I guess I was thinking of maybe doing the hound's low going over to do the hound's low. Yeah. The 42 K yeah the how it goes or the 17. Um, depending on how training how much training I can get in. And, then um, the Grampians also sounds pretty awesome. Um, but I don't know whether I'd be game to do the full miler. It sounds pretty hardcore.
00:33:53
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So stage one might sound good. I think you would crush the Myla. Yeah. Yeah. I think you don't give yourself enough credit. Um, I also saw, um, I don't know if you've heard about it, but the Asia Pacific Trail Champs, um, were you thinking about and like applying for that? Cause you are in the top 30 ranked on Itra.
00:34:20
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No, I hadn't even heard of it or considered it until I think Mikey Dimientes mentioned it on the weekend um So yeah, no, but in South Korea sounds like it it's in South Korea. Yeah, it's in South Korea Yeah, a cool place to visit. Yeah, you should definitely consider it See how we go Alright, good luck for Yoda this weekend. I'm sure you'll crush it. um Hopefully the legs are feeling nice and fresh, but is it on Saturday or Sunday? Saturday afternoon. Yeah, Saturday afternoon. I'm excited to see how you go. um And Erika, I hope your legs continue to recover and I'll definitely be messaging you to go for a run in the Perth Hills soon.
00:35:08
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That sounds great. Okay. I hope you're doing well in your run, Piotr. I can't believe you're doing it again this weekend. So impressive. Yeah, as I said, that's how it I think it's it's worth the trip. So yeah, not expecting a massive result, but yeah, hope I can like get a good run in. As I said, it's not something I usually do, but it's just how it works out. And yeah, I'm glad to be in Brisbane. Awesome. And it will be good a good build up for the races in in Europe. so Yeah, definitely. Alright, thanks guys. I'm sure the listeners are going to take some real nuggets of gold from that one because there's a lot of newbies to the trail world that can really benefit from your experience. So thanks so much for sharing your knowledge of trail running. Thank you for for having me.
00:36:01
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Yeah, thank you. Great.