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Zach Sheets: Hello and welcome to another Everything Action Commentary. It's a commentary for June 2026. I'm your host, Zach.
Chris Prime: I'm your co-host, Chris.
Zach Sheets: And this month we are celebrating the 40th anniversary of Raw Deal, the Arnold Classic. It came out June 6, 1986.
Zach Sheets: And definitely one of the ah underrated, deeper cuts of Arnold's filmography.
Chris Prime: it's It's like mush between heavy hitters that everyone's known for in the 80s. And this kind of sneaks in as a Arnold is actually not like an American.
Chris Prime: person? like He's just sort of like... ah like He's a soldier or like some sort of enforcement person, but they really lean into him not being an American fully.
Zach Sheets: well and Well, he's supposed to be... He's a small-town sheriff in this movie.
Chris Prime: But like, it's a bizarre like, hey, you know Arnold from other things. We're not going to get into like why he doesn't sound like an average 80s American right now.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: You know, like, they lean into it, but, like, just enough where it's like, you get it, right?
Zach Sheets: Yeah, sandwiched between Commando and Predator, like, the two two of the heaviest-hitting arm movies. It's like, oh, by the way, here's this other one.
Chris Prime: Yeah, and but Commando was interesting because because, like, it's, like, a coalition of, like, Commando guys that were all, like, not American, even though they were. like
Zach Sheets: Or
Chris Prime: But, like, and then Predator was just the best of the U.S. s Rangers or Marines?
Zach Sheets: something, yeah. They were like...
Chris Prime: some black ops unit. But here just like, he's just a humble cop.
Zach Sheets: Who used to be an FBI agent?
Chris Prime: Which, again, like, it's that pre-kindergarten cop ah attitude. So as someone who grew up watching kinder carter Kindergarten Cop first and then kind of going back into his other like cop movies, it's bizarre. It's like leading up to that where he did the kid version of this.
Chris Prime: Where like going undercover and then...
Zach Sheets: Yeah, this this is like the the opening thing on Cop. Like, this is like the entire like ro is like the entire movie of that.
Chris Prime: Yeah. So that's why I'm like, oh, if you watch this out of order, it's weird. Actually, no matter what order you watch it in, at some point where this could have been a whole series of movies where every other movie is like a different type of like genre action where he is a sheriff in this one.
Chris Prime: And then later he gets recruited by the FBI and is doing this. And then the other one, it's it's like now he's a kindergarten cop. Like it could have worked. It could have been this.
Zach Sheets: mark The Mark Kaminsky movies.
Chris Prime: Yeah, yeah, it could have worked, but no one had that foresight.
Zach Sheets: But yeah, we are we're watching it on ah Prime Video. um So if you if it's on there, it hopefully it's on there. We're we're recording this a little earlier than we normally would. um But hopefully it's still on there.
Zach Sheets: If it's not, just you'll find it somewhere else. grab a ah Yeah, if I had to be, you'll grab like a physical copy of it.
Chris Prime: Probably on Tubi.
Zach Sheets: But we are plus a zero right before ah the Studio Canal logo comes up. So me second and pause your copy.
Chris Prime: If you've got a DVD, just ah watch that DVD intro, probably.
Zach Sheets: All right. So we're going to get started. Five, four, three, two, one, play.
Chris Prime: Okay, in our version, our Studio Canal logo is... so much.
Zach Sheets: yeah I don't remember Studio Canal having so much like background noise.
Chris Prime: like a Spy Kids movie about to start there.
Chris Prime: See, now this is a proper eighty s logo.
Zach Sheets: Yeah, do you know DiLaurento's?
Chris Prime: Like 2006?
Chris Prime: Amtrak, the movie.
Zach Sheets: Arnold is a train conductor.
Chris Prime: The train was run on time.
Zach Sheets: It's a taking of Palomone 2-3 with Arnold.
Chris Prime: This is the raw deal.
Zach Sheets: this this is exactly what you want from an action movie score.
Zach Sheets: Guitars, since... Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Speedboats. Speedboats were really big in the 80s. But by today's economy, we cannot afford the gas of a speedboat.
Chris Prime: Also, this is like showing you all sorts of transportation, how how to get to New York. They
Zach Sheets: We have all the vehicles.
Chris Prime: have cars, helicopters, jet boats, Amtrak. it's like all we need is an MTA bus, and we completed the, like, come to New York. do Do you remember in the ninety s early 2000s, like, come to New York to, like, see the sights and all that? Like, the big push for tourism?
Zach Sheets: like Time Zero was cleaned up and it was all it was like Disney Times Square now.
Chris Prime: Yep, yep. It was the, like, hey, we got rid of, like, a lot of corruption and, like, graffiti. But then it's, like, go to the Anirondacks, and then just... be one of those Lake George, like, hogs.
Zach Sheets: so So this Hitman he took all that transportation to get to where he was going. Like, he took the helicopter the speedboat and everything.
Chris Prime: Yeah. He took the Amtrak to the helicopter to the car.
Zach Sheets: To really hide his tracks, I guess.
Chris Prime: this doesn't look like a hit squad. This looks like like an insurance salesman-like meeting.
Chris Prime: I also like how um the costume designer was just like, I want everything out of a Sears catalog.
Zach Sheets: you know
Chris Prime: we're We're not going for bulletproof food vests or any kind of tactical gear. We can't afford that.
Chris Prime: We want like 1985 Falls Men Collection.
Zach Sheets: Good morning.
Chris Prime: Joe Bob Baker.
Chris Prime: Yeah, this is the best Kindergarten Cop prequel I've seen.
Zach Sheets: ye
Zach Sheets: Yes.
Chris Prime: That's pretty awesome and cruel 80s one-liner. Even the bad guys get one-liners? Awesome.
Zach Sheets: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Again, super underrated.
Chris Prime: First Christmas was terrible, and now...
Zach Sheets: yeah
Chris Prime: Now this agent's dead.
Zach Sheets: They killed my boy, Ralphie.
Chris Prime: Yeah, you gotta be pulled off the case if you get, like, that emotional, and then...
Zach Sheets: You're too close to it.
Chris Prime: That's like... Yeah, you're too close.
Chris Prime: Anyway, forget that part of the movie.
Zach Sheets: you did Meanwhile, Dukes of Hazzard...
Zach Sheets: This is my favorite song. i am such a country fan.
Chris Prime: That was the sheriff getting cut off by traffic.
Chris Prime: Okay, so... Is this movie connected to Last Stand?
Zach Sheets: like the continuation of you staying town.
Chris Prime: Because I'm, like, realizing, I'm like, wait a minute. it This actually could work.
Zach Sheets: You know what's what's funny too is like I think the movie Rad came out the same year, in 1986, and it also had like an opening where it either goes through a logging like like storage yard.
Chris Prime: Going in a construction site, a logging company, maybe even a quarry, is like a very big 80s and early 90s trope. Like, it's just to show you how, like, the town just sort of gets terrorized by these locals.
Zach Sheets: else to do, might as well just drive through the quarry. like the Or the logging camp.
Chris Prime: I mean, who are they gonna call it? The police? The police is there!
Chris Prime: Like, I get that in whatever so like county they're in the the rules are super loose. But, like, you gotta to have, like, a town meeting later. It's like, hey, I got a question for, like, what's going on in our town.
Chris Prime: Or, like, they're just driving through, like, family-owned land. So it's like, oh, no, we're all related.
Chris Prime: You know, I've never seen Arnold do this much driving.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: That's a big thing about this movie, too. It's like one of his like most ah like him in a car, like doing more car stunts.
Zach Sheets: i mean, he was driving a Terminator, but it was just that like at that one seed.
Chris Prime: One scene and he rides a bike. And then even then, it's like him just going straight. This one, he was driving through like stuff, you know?
Zach Sheets: and For all those upre crimes, he i'm gonna i was almost blew him up.
Chris Prime: Is this also- Yeah, almost destroyed, like, everything.
Zach Sheets: Well, didn't he have like a he like a like a police bike, didn't he? was it just like... It was like he had police logos on it or something. So he stole a cop uniform and a bike.
Chris Prime: I don't know that was like the same like whatever design. I think he made it look like a police bike because it's just too thin of a frame, I think.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: What did I say about Wagner in the morning?
Chris Prime: As like the brawny man, like,
Zach Sheets: she like She made like the frosting too? that pan is like...
Zach Sheets: She buy store-bought frosting?
Chris Prime: I guess.
Zach Sheets: Some effort.
Chris Prime: You don't really need to bake frosting. but You don't cook frosting. You combine it all as like dry ingredients and then add cream or dairy or You know, like
Zach Sheets: there's There's the big line in the movie.
Chris Prime: yeah yeah But like, it's such a toned down line compared to like the murder opening that we saw in the beginning that like it was like a PG line.
Zach Sheets: Witness this. Well,
Chris Prime: I mean, not really p PG, PG-13 ish, because it's the 80s where PG-13, no one really knew what that meant.
Zach Sheets: well he says I'll be back at some point, too, I believe. so but That's like is like every movie catchphrase.
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Chris Prime: I hate my nice life. You know, it's like, it's not like he lives in a shack.
Zach Sheets: Yeah, they're not like like ah like ah ah a farmhouse or something.
Chris Prime: yeah
Chris Prime: And he's not disgraced. Like, all he did was get, like, probably some problem like bad charges on his record, and they were like, okay, well, we need a clean house. Like, you just need to go, like, hide.
Zach Sheets: I'm outside your house.
Chris Prime: I'm also thinking taking the job for the FBI isn't going to fix his like wife's drinking problem.
Zach Sheets: No.
Chris Prime: like If anything, it's going to make it worse. You bring her to a big city where it's like, now you have all the access to everything.
Zach Sheets: Or you say, oh, i guess I have to leave for like how many months? Like you're by yourself now in this town you hate.
Chris Prime: I mean, just like they don't say what area this is. It's just sort of like a hometown. It's a nice town.
Zach Sheets: in the 70s the 80s.
Chris Prime: Yeah. It's like... They're trying to clean up. Like, if anything, think it should be the opposite now. Mm-hmm.
Zach Sheets: it was like the Dirty Harry era. It's like... Yeah.
Chris Prime: They said, like, five years ago, it like, 81?
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: don't understand how this court has, like... TV show quality zoom ins and all this like how are they filming this
Zach Sheets: yeah
Zach Sheets: it's like ah It's like a hearing. it's like like a Is it like a trial? Because it's like a tribunal or something.
Chris Prime: yeah I think it's a tribunal he's not standing in front of like a yeah yeah
Zach Sheets: A judge. It's more like a congressional hearing or something.
Chris Prime: Reganomics.
Chris Prime: I'm doing trickle-down Reganomics, where basically I'm spending a lot of money buying property. Mm-hmm.
Zach Sheets: This Baxter guy is just jealous of all their houses.
Chris Prime: Ooh, that was ADRN. Like, you could hear some lines just sort of sound quality dip.
Zach Sheets: and seen.
Chris Prime: Yeah, that that what? And it's like it's still in the same scene.
Zach Sheets: let's Let's move to another room. i don't like this room anymore.
Chris Prime: Like, that should have transitioned into a whole new location, not just, like, the other side of the room. Yeah, that was, like, a stage play.
Zach Sheets: Let's walk over here.
Zach Sheets: this is a completely illegal rogue operation.
Chris Prime: That's 70 grand by today's standards.
Chris Prime: like how this in this universe, Dirty Harry is such a like big pop culture thing.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Because I think like the Deadpool came out two years before this?
Chris Prime: Yeah, more than pass. Like, what are in your off time?
Zach Sheets: Lifting logs.
Chris Prime: Well, mean, like, during this era, there's a bodybuilder named Ronnie Coleman who, like, is also like a... He was a cop. And then during his off time, he would train like a madman. And then he was a professional bodybuilder. So it's like... Can you imagine this is just like, oh, no, this is also the story of this guy who, like... It's like a crazy... heat Oh, like, years later, we find out that Ronnie Coleman also...
Chris Prime: Infiltrated like an Italian mob and like did all this.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: It's like, wait, this is based on a true story.
Chris Prime: Is Arnold about to commit like a biohazard over here? Like he's gonna burn... waste?
Zach Sheets: I think it's like yeah this like is like fake my death thing. He's doing like almost over the top like...
Chris Prime: He could have just pushed his car into like a lake or something.
Zach Sheets: I'm gonna blow up
Chris Prime: Or exploded his jeep, where he almost blew up that biker.
Zach Sheets: up... Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Prime: Be like, that biker got revenge.
Chris Prime: and Instead, he's just like destroying this factory.
Zach Sheets: um'm I'm gonna blow the Talon's main source of income.
Chris Prime: Yeah, it's like lumber and oil.
Chris Prime: So did did he hate yeah did he hate the town?
Zach Sheets: They'll be fine. Yep. Yep.
Chris Prime: Because, like, that's like an economic problem that he just set off.
Chris Prime: Also, did he even tell his wife what was happening?
Zach Sheets: not. He's just its like, I'm out here.
Chris Prime: He just left her like more cake ingredients and bourbon.
Chris Prime: He looks the same. Like, he it didn't transform.
Zach Sheets: yeah yeah Alright, let me practice my Italian accent. Spaghetti. Ravioli.
Zach Sheets: Gabagool.
Chris Prime: so, like, I play a lot of craps. This is chaos that controls, like, every bet.
Zach Sheets: Yep.
Chris Prime: Because I have no idea, like, no one has any idea...
Zach Sheets: Who's shooting or what's better?
Chris Prime: Well, no, there's no marker, but there's also like no one, no one knows that that was their stack of money. So it's like.
Zach Sheets: Yeah, it's ah it's just it's it's like dollars across like five different spaces. like
Chris Prime: hu
Chris Prime: And like other kind of street craps is different. It's it's just like you hold in in front of you and you hit against a wall. This is weird.
Zach Sheets: Magnets, how do they work?
Chris Prime: I'll say, who knew this illegal gambling den would be fixed?
Zach Sheets: This is Arnold literally like five minutes into being undercover, just like destroying an entire bar.
Chris Prime: like Aren't you Kaminsky? No.
Chris Prime: Oh, Chicago. So fun.
Chris Prime: Okay, bye bye.
Chris Prime: he gonna blow this place up too?
Zach Sheets: place he just blows it up and it faces his own death too like well that that identity is dead now i'm gonna make a new one
Chris Prime: Why were those people, like, gathering, like, right by the exit? They're just like, let's be inconvenient.
Zach Sheets: Where are going next, gang, after the illegal gambling den?
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Chris Prime: Oh, poor Polish restaurant. Because it's the old Warsaw restaurant, so...
Zach Sheets: Yep. hu
Chris Prime: It's funny that, like... I guess like he's also playing like a Polish guy. His name's Kaminsky. Right,
Zach Sheets: Well, his real name's Kaminsky.
Chris Prime: right. But like that's his last name. So he's a Polish cop, apparently.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: like it's Someone who's Polish of descent. And then he goes to another Polish dive in Chicago to destroy this business.
Chris Prime: See, this he's doing that. It's doing that trope where he's wearing the same outfits from the headshot. In that black and white photo.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: Pulling a Godfather.
Zach Sheets: The Oxide Boys Club!
Chris Prime: Yeah, they're the most hardcore boys club.
Zach Sheets: Stay away from the YMCA!
Zach Sheets: Preferably someone Austrian and giant.
Chris Prime: Also, like, did- Was the plan just one drive-by and that's it? Like, no...
Zach Sheets: Yep. don't don't Don't sit there. like don like
Chris Prime: Don't confirm the kill? Like, they outgunned them and and everything. They had those elements surprise, and they're just like, we're good.
Zach Sheets: They could just yeah park the bus there just like unload on them. like Drive by and hope you get them.
Chris Prime: and It is so weird to see Arnold in like what looks like a car salesman suit.
Zach Sheets: Suits? Yup. Yup.
Chris Prime: Do think that fashion would ever come back? That like muted brown tones?
Zach Sheets: The browns, yeah.
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Zach Sheets: like the parade graveyard. Like what is this place?
Chris Prime: Ah, Chicago. Just the city of casinos.
Chris Prime: Also, is this the same set from, uh...
Chris Prime: What's the Kurt Russell and Special Salone one?
Zach Sheets: Oh, Tango and Cash?
Chris Prime: Yeah, I feel like this is the, like, same building as Tanko and Cash, the final, like, showdown.
Zach Sheets: m
Chris Prime: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Zach Sheets: Like Jack Palance's house?
Zach Sheets: it our time Is this like his Bond moment? Of like...
Chris Prime: feels like it, right? Like, you could sell the element.
Zach Sheets: I've got to be Chase Bond.
Chris Prime: Like, you could see later that James Cameron saw this and was like, oh man, I gotta make a a movie called True Lies, where he's basically this guy.
Chris Prime: This is Max, Max Fratelli.
Zach Sheets: um
Chris Prime: Wait, how did they find him again? Because besides showing up to their this like establishment, it's not like he wrote his name in that place and was like, call me. my And they figured it was the same guy because they have footage from the incident?
Zach Sheets: No, he figured out there where they are, then he went there.
Chris Prime: Like the rival gang told them about this?
Zach Sheets: Oh, how they knew about like that it was him that was doing everything?
Chris Prime: Yeah, because he robbed the girl, Lomancy's girl, and then...
Zach Sheets: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: That's why Lemanski is like, oh, this guy is terrorizing me, but I guess everyone knows from that.
Zach Sheets: I mean, he's a very distinctive person, so...
Chris Prime: True, true.
Chris Prime: You just cash out. Just just leave.
Zach Sheets: Yep.
Chris Prime: You don't need to gamble with that, lady. You don't seem like you're a good gambler.
Zach Sheets: What value those chips? No one else has black chips. like what
Zach Sheets: These are Oreos.
Chris Prime: He's
Chris Prime: he like did he blow 25 grand from
Zach Sheets: That's that's funny.
Chris Prime: but director like
Zach Sheets: Harry, i need more money. you spent $25,000 already?
Chris Prime: I gave it to some woman who was losing gambling.
Zach Sheets: she part of the is is she part of the crew? It's like, I don't know.
Chris Prime: Ah, Crime Alley.
Zach Sheets: like with ankle deep water.
Chris Prime: So I've been through a few alleys in Chicago, like because they still have like their structure is still like this tight.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: There's a few bars and speakeasies now that like they kind of lean into the aesthetic where it's like crime used to happen here. Like you want a drink?
Chris Prime: Like nowadays, this would have been like a hipster bar with like this much cardboard out there is like an aesthetic. And a dirty mattress. Man, this alley's got everything.
Chris Prime: What's with this quality angle? Why did it look like CG?
Chris Prime: He is just blowing past this 25 grand.
Zach Sheets: Just living life, just living large.
Chris Prime: Chicago wasn't cheap to stay in, like, so for him to rent, like, a furnished apartment.
Zach Sheets: like carrie It's like, you're killing me, Kaminsky. You can't just stay in a dive, like a shitty hotel.
Chris Prime: So we were gonna find out what happened to Arnold's wife.
Chris Prime: Is this her? This movie has too many blonde women.
Chris Prime: I mean, this is her. She, uh, she needs to go back to baking. I feel like... She's not baking, she's mugging people.
Zach Sheets: I think she's just like a random FBI agent or something or
Chris Prime: Well, you see, the problem is that, like, no one in this movie has uniforms.
Zach Sheets: know
Chris Prime: So I can't tell who's the bad guy or good guy or, like, who's on whose team.
Zach Sheets: FBI in the 80s.
Chris Prime: Also, that's not US dollars. Like, what money was that?
Zach Sheets: I couldn't tell who it was on ah that money, but it was like not a president.
Chris Prime: And it had, like, too much, like, border art around the the bills that I'm like, that's, they're what they gonna get charged for? Like, Monopoly money? Like, they're printing fake money.
Zach Sheets: Was that like the, like a paper equivalent of like, what was it? Cougarans?
Zach Sheets: Like this money's worth, this money's worth two, two American dollars each.
Chris Prime: Ah, rich guy meals.
Zach Sheets: m
Chris Prime: It's just, it doesn't look filling. It's just like, it always looks like something off a charcuterie board. It doesn't, you know, like, is that a glass of milk too?
Zach Sheets: yeahp
Chris Prime: yeah always appreciate an evil, rich businessman that takes care of his health. Like, you know, it's...
Zach Sheets: do
Chris Prime: You don't really see that too often. It's like the rich... The evil guy also loves, like, hard drugs.
Zach Sheets: but like his vi his vitamin regimen
Chris Prime: Yeah, and he's eating, like, a balanced diet for a rich guy. Like, who's to look fit for who?
Chris Prime: See? These guys? Alcohol? It's probably, like, 11 a.m. You know, like...
Chris Prime: This feels like a studio, right? this Like, I could see the ceiling in it. I think I could see, like...
Zach Sheets: ah well The walls aren't high enough.
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Zach Sheets: It's like the lights in the background there.
Chris Prime: it it It gives such a big open gap that I'm like, this is like a TV show set.
Chris Prime: Who is this actress?
Zach Sheets: Catherine Herald.
Chris Prime: I feel like I've seen her in one other, um like, one more other big thing.
Zach Sheets: She's on a Larry Sanders show.
Chris Prime: Okay.
Chris Prime: Well, it's the 90s. I get it.
Chris Prime: She became a marriage license, like like a family and marriage counselor.
Zach Sheets: Therapist, yeah.
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Which is funny, because this is like a movie where Arnold definitely needed that with his wife.
Zach Sheets: yup
Chris Prime: Is this part of his mission or he just wanted to get drunk with like a bad gambler?
Zach Sheets: this This is vital to my mission.
Chris Prime: I like your smile, 80s woman.
Zach Sheets: are such a lightweight.
Chris Prime: Wow, she gained money and then lost, like, and then owes money.
Zach Sheets: still she's still yeah She still owes money.
Chris Prime: like how the boss of this operation has to make, like, phishing scam calls himself.
Zach Sheets: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: He's, like, a very wealthy businessman already, like, in a mogul, and he's just, like, going around trying to get, like, key information. Shouldn't this guy be doing it
Zach Sheets: is Is King still in Chicago, Chris?
Chris Prime: I don't know. I don't know where this is exactly.
Zach Sheets: So you Burger King.
Zach Sheets: You would make a drinking game if like every time Arnold has a c cigar in this movie.
Chris Prime: Anytime anyone smokes.
Zach Sheets: Well, this this is like the third third or fourth time Arnold smoked a cigar in this movie.
Chris Prime: mean
Zach Sheets: That was in his contract. is like, I need to smoke like a dozen cigars in this movie.
Chris Prime: Also, does anyone say raw deal? Because
Zach Sheets: Yeah, what is the raw deal?
Chris Prime: it seems like Arnold has like a really good deal for him to get back in the bureau.
Chris Prime: Like, the mobsters have the raw deal, because they thought they would get, like, a good hitman, and then turns out they hired undercover FBI agent, like a freelance FBI agent.
Zach Sheets: I guess, like, was the Raw deal, like, Arnold's, like, what caused him to to quit the FBI? Yeah.
Chris Prime: I mean, would be cool if they said that, but we didn't really get that.
Zach Sheets: like if Like if Darren McGavin said like, hey kid, you got a raw deal when you left the FBI, but I got a
Chris Prime: Yeah, that would have been cool.
Chris Prime: Why are they extorting a drag club? Like, it of all the places?
Chris Prime: Like, Leminski seems like, alright, well, are you a bar? Well, every bar pays, like, a protection fee.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: And this place is, like, it's popular.
Chris Prime: Ah, Leminski's day off.
Chris Prime: The main man couldn't, like, get dropped off at the front? He had walk, like, blocks away?
Zach Sheets: here's
Chris Prime: is weird for, like, a party.
Zach Sheets: like um Like, yeah, your girl having like a photo shoot.
Chris Prime: It'd funny if he's just also doing another like prank call.
Zach Sheets: It's the cable company. You weren't there. or we were there today. and You weren't there.
Chris Prime: We're gonna need your credit card number.
Chris Prime: She just owes $1,000. Like, it's not some crazy, crazy debt.
Zach Sheets: Or was it, i think it was i think it was just $1,000 paid off for like this job, but then he still owes like a ton of money to
Zach Sheets: This is like, Game of Thrones Arnold was like $1,000 for massive tab.
Chris Prime: Oh, okay. I thought this was only because of $1,000. I'm just like, take out a business loan or something. Like, t like don't work for the mob.
Chris Prime: Also, what's her day job? Like spying? i don't
Zach Sheets: She's a professional gambler. She's awful at it.
Chris Prime: yeah
Chris Prime: what they couldn't splurge on color.
Zach Sheets: Do they make it to my size?
Chris Prime: Wait, this was a random shop in the mall? Like, uh...
Zach Sheets: Yeah, it seems like it's like a high-end boutique or something.
Chris Prime: Yeah, this wouldn't be mall. Unless the 80s had mall shopping experiences like this, but... Man, we lost something in the ah decade.
Zach Sheets: The height of the balls, yeah. The sword has own fountain in it.
Chris Prime: Yeah, online shopping killed this.
Chris Prime: These guys come in with no weapons? They just like, we're gonna wrestle him?
Zach Sheets: They just just happen to be out like at this mall.
Chris Prime: like how there's a whole bunch of people in the in the like mall just walking by this.
Zach Sheets: Another fight in the clothing boutique. another fight in like the clothing botique
Chris Prime: Mm-hmm. They're just like, oh, that's nice.
Chris Prime: The 80s was different. Like, no one's taking their phones. No one's, like, gawking. They're just like, all right, well, we got stuff to do. Mm-hmm.
Zach Sheets: whats What's the meme? A bunch of people just living their lives. No phones.
Chris Prime: So, I don't know what's weird. People not taking photos or people just sort of ignoring it.
Zach Sheets: Just a typical Saturday afternoon in Chicago.
Chris Prime: This is what happens. You just get fights in clothing stores.
Zach Sheets: um it's like I have experience taking out the police station.
Chris Prime: See, this movie could have really skirted the line between an actual violent, darker movie, and then, like, a comedy action, right?
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Because it starts violent, and then there's, like, pranks that they like this evil group is doing. Like, they they want to make, like, a fake bomb threat and not, like, a real bomb threat or something.
Chris Prime: Like, they're doing, like, a reverse heist.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Zach Sheets: Also, I love that our own solution everything is just blowing up, too.
Chris Prime: Yeah, yeah.
Chris Prime: Have you thought about pouring gasoline and then blowing that up?
Chris Prime: Because he did that with that motorcycle cop. He did that with his own thing.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: That should have been one of his other ones. It was like, just pour gasoline from the roof.
Chris Prime: That actually wasn't the plan. This is a rival snack company.
Zach Sheets: so pepsi
Chris Prime: No more coke in this police station.
Zach Sheets: Chicago's a Pepsi town.
Chris Prime: Why is the DA here? Also, why is um the DA from the federal level in Chicago when like they want to go back from New York?
Chris Prime: like Wouldn't this make sense if you went back to Chicago? Or to New York first?
Zach Sheets: I don't know. Is is he a DA or is he just like a, like another like FBI agent?
Chris Prime: Well, he's the federal prosecutor.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: prosecutor
Zach Sheets: Hmm.
Chris Prime: So it's like a federal prosecutor. It's like high up. So it's it's another type of DA, but like at a higher level. Federal DA, I guess.
Chris Prime: Or FA? Federal attorney?
Chris Prime: Burn.
Zach Sheets: Thank you.
Chris Prime: Dad jokes. It have funnier.
Zach Sheets: Arnold should be like, it's like, hi, hungry, I'm dead, or
Chris Prime: Yeah. I impress, I'm hungry. Like, that that's would have been the full dad joke. But, like, for someone who's in constant debt, I don't understand why she wants to live, like, this high life all the time.
Zach Sheets: She's like playing, like she's like this, like like, super successful, like glamorous, like gambler, but she's a horrible at it.
Chris Prime: Or like a ah socialite, but no one knows her.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: Only Max knows her.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: So why does she keep going there?
Chris Prime: He's friendzoning her.
Zach Sheets: ye It's not you, it's me.
Zach Sheets: Wait, how your baking skills?
Chris Prime: Her dress robe was weird. Like, she's wearing lingerie, I guess?
Zach Sheets: and Yeah, under it, yeah.
Chris Prime: But it wasn't, like, a bold statement. She just took off, like, the shawl.
Chris Prime: Is this Arnold's other apartment? Like, he has the fake nice one, and then he has...
Zach Sheets: No, I think i think i this is like Darren McGavin's like like safe he stays there, or it's just like, it's the FBI safe house, yes.
Chris Prime: So
Chris Prime: Darren stays in this one?
Zach Sheets: that giant thing in the background is like the request its like the like answering machine that I'm supposed to like call and like give it updates to.
Chris Prime: oh okay.
Chris Prime: So that wife who was kind of mentally unstable is now like off the like rails, right?
Zach Sheets: ye her husband She thinks her husband blew up in a giant like oil finery explosion.
Chris Prime: A freak. Yeah. A freak oil refinery, which I don't know if they had a body plan or, you know,
Zach Sheets: There's no body. he just like, oh, he must got vaporized.
Chris Prime: Oh, it's weird. He is playing a guy named Joey.
Zach Sheets: Not Joseph, Joey. i like to have fun.
Chris Prime: I am from Brooklyn. Pizza.
Zach Sheets: i from Sicily.
Zach Sheets: that's That's a weird time frame, Bob. What was that? Not around number, like 20? Hey, it's Angel of Filthy Souls.
Chris Prime: He's one of the most Chicago guys. They don't make him like they used to.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: There's no like.
Chris Prime: Heavy. Older Chicago accent dude. In movies these days. If it is. It's like such a crazy parody. But like that guy legit just sounds like that.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Like he's not acting.
Zach Sheets: i don't do this like under on fake call I don't think they said where the bomb was. So it's just like... No one's suspicious of the SWAT teams. Oh, you guys know exactly where the bomb is?
Chris Prime: Yeah, just the report. Okay, cool. They just ran in.
Chris Prime: This is kind of different. Like, they're showing temple. It's not just a church, you know, crazy kind of, like, stereotypes or, like, went for something different.
Chris Prime: And it shows that like these villains also have like other hobbies. like Other things to do besides hang out offices.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: So I do like that there's a lot of, like, B-plots happening, like, all together. It's like, this is what Arnold's up to, this is what the heist is up to
Zach Sheets: what's yeah It's interesting that they're not part of the heist. They're like, you guys do it. do other stuff.
Chris Prime: If anything, they would have shown what the, uh, the, like, other lady was up to, the gambler.
Zach Sheets: but
Chris Prime: She's just, like, gambling still, like, losing money.
Zach Sheets: Bullet resisted.
Chris Prime: Plot resistant.
Chris Prime: Who's the driver for the bad guys? They're doing a... Is it Max? Max is doing a good job.
Chris Prime: Usually the tough guy in any kind of like the evil henchman guy, he's good at like the fighting, but not the driving part. Like he relies on someone else for that.
Chris Prime: I've been here. I've been a Navy Pier.
Zach Sheets: This is like Chase goes like every single like landmark in Chicago.
Chris Prime: every like Yeah, it's just going to do like the Blues Brother, kind of like all these like historical sites.
Zach Sheets: Mhm.
Chris Prime: Are they just pulling up right next to each other?
Zach Sheets: It's like an old, like, but like a naval battle. It's like, like when the ships just like pulling back to each other and shot cannons.
Chris Prime: Mm-hmm. Just trade volleys.
Zach Sheets: like how they're trying to hide who it is, but I'll clearly know who it is.
Chris Prime: Yeah. Subutory only has a certain amount of actors, it's not like, surprise... waiting for this cue?
Chris Prime: Bum, bum, bum.
Zach Sheets: Not even any commentary about, like, you end up in one of these coffins. Why are they even at the coffin, like, store?
Chris Prime: This is ah just a friend kiss.
Chris Prime: You Max should be like, oh, I dated that girl or something. There's no like gloating or even kind of tension.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Like it's weird for them to work together.
Zach Sheets: It's doing it in broad daylight in front like where a funeral is happening.
Chris Prime: with like 30 witnesses.
Zach Sheets: Yep.
Zach Sheets: Oh.
Zach Sheets: the priest fall into the grave?
Chris Prime: I think he ducked.
Chris Prime: Are they? i don't know. In Chicago, seems like response times is bad.
Zach Sheets: catch what's like All right, I'll see you later, buddy. Bye.
Chris Prime: Yeah, there's no cell phones yet.
Zach Sheets: now
Chris Prime: Like, you have to get to a phone, like a payphone.
Zach Sheets: it's just like this like wacky scarred chase music.
Chris Prime: Yeah, you're right.
Chris Prime: you follow them?
Zach Sheets: Did Rod you a vet scar?
Chris Prime: ah
Chris Prime: Is this Chicago music? Did Ska come from Chicago?
Zach Sheets: to To do what I should have like two months ago.
Chris Prime: Okay, so, not to spoil much, but I feel like this is the outfit he should have wore in the beginning of the movie.
Zach Sheets: Yeah, this is the poster.
Chris Prime: And it's like, he doesn't look like a hitman. Like, again, it's the era where every hitman looked like an insurance salesman or like a businessman. like it It's weird that like he should have showed up to this. He probably would have got in earlier into the inner circle if he just looked like this.
Zach Sheets: Or if he had this whole arsenal, just go in and just like murder everybody. why
Chris Prime: Well, it's off the books, and it's like revenge mission.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: But I get it. Commando came out, so it's like, okay, we're going to have our own Commando moment.
Zach Sheets: He could have saved all that time of like trying to like infiltrate the mob and just go in with this arsenal weapons. just like
Chris Prime: Guns blazing.
Zach Sheets: Yeah.
Chris Prime: But was it Harry that decided to do more, like, evidence gathering?
Zach Sheets: Well, he doesn't want evidence. He wants them all dead. doesn't care about evidence.
Chris Prime: so So why were they doing all the recordings and all?
Zach Sheets: All the subterfuge, yeah. He's
Zach Sheets: like, I'm going to tear them apart!
Chris Prime: I guess he, like,
Zach Sheets: I guess i guess we the they need to find out who the mole was because they didn't know who the mole was.
Chris Prime: they still don't.
Zach Sheets: yeah they they don't know that it's a Baxter whatever his name is.
Chris Prime: But, like, it didn't matter. Also, like, Is this what got him fired the first time? Just walking with like an arsenal of weapons and then just going after that child murderer?
Zach Sheets: He just shows up on like an FBI at arrest with like 30 guns.
Chris Prime: A bag of guns? Yeah. Man, it's like the Spirit of Halloween Terminator outfit he's putting on.
Zach Sheets: Robot assassin.
Chris Prime: I think the thing is he doesn't put on glasses. It's like the one thing that he's not allowed to do in this outfit.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Just how like James Bond actors aren't allowed to wear like tux in other movies.
Chris Prime: It's like in their contract. It's like when you become Bond, you can't wear that.
Chris Prime: Or at least like in their like active years.
Zach Sheets: yeah what this is This is also very Tango and Cash. Like when they use like the the super tank to like drive into the quarry.
Chris Prime: Yep. That's what I'm saying. It's their response to a Tangon cache. Or like a pre-Tangon cache.
Zach Sheets: This came up way before Tango and Cash.
Chris Prime: It's also interesting that a Rolling Stones song that they're just playing here.
Zach Sheets: They blew like ah like half the budget on Rolling Stones.
Chris Prime: Mm-hmm. It's like, did anyone hear Satisfaction? is like Is that coming through like every speaker in this area?
Chris Prime: So... They're going to the quarry. i don't get... It's like... It's just the base of operation is this.
Zach Sheets: I guess. Because Petrovic has like his like skyscraper office.
Zach Sheets: this where his money is?
Chris Prime: Yeah, when that make sense?
Zach Sheets: Dummy gets thrown into chopper.
Zach Sheets: ah dumy get throw into a chopper
Chris Prime: What was he gonna do with that handgun from on top? Like, it's such a big difference.
Chris Prime: Also, I realized this movie has a lot of drive-by shooting.
Zach Sheets: Yes.
Chris Prime: Is that just a Chicago thing? They just love just, like, driving, like, shooting from their cars?
Chris Prime: My satisfaction!
Zach Sheets: but
Chris Prime: Also like that in this active quarry there are actual like mobster quarry workers like they are driving the equipment it's not just like a front.
Zach Sheets: a Yeah, i keep appearances.
Chris Prime: So they have to dig.
Chris Prime: Ooh, that gambler lady's gonna be pissed.
Zach Sheets: It's like, oh no, Monique is going to be so mad at me.
Zach Sheets: should be like should be like a dump truck related one-liner. I don't know what you do, but...
Chris Prime: Your cargo.
Zach Sheets: Dump this.
Chris Prime: Rock out.
Chris Prime: Your rocks cracked. I don't know. I feel like ah there's that fake money again.
Zach Sheets: This is how it gets my satisfaction.
Chris Prime: He's in the walls.
Zach Sheets: through the air ducts.
Chris Prime: huge air duct to fit Arnold.
Zach Sheets: The fit Arnold. Yeah.
Chris Prime: There's something glorious about like a late 80s, early 90s shootout where everyone just sort of stays in place. There's no tactical moves. Just pop from cover and just shoot.
Zach Sheets: Yep.
Zach Sheets: And then they jerk around and get swibs going off on him.
Chris Prime: hmm.
Chris Prime: Like, it's not even Arnold doing, like, tactical slides and, like, rolls anything. He's just literally moving around this club.
Zach Sheets: Yep.
Zach Sheets: just waiting Just waving the gun around.
Chris Prime: Is he even aiming? just sort like, spraying?
Chris Prime: Sven.
Zach Sheets: One
Chris Prime: Is he gonna tell to leave? Nope.
Zach Sheets: so the one guy You kid him.
Chris Prime: What a showdown.
Chris Prime: doesn't even the bad guy give a speech or anything.
Zach Sheets: no
Chris Prime: Just mows him down.
Chris Prime: Like, this is for Harry. Like, doesn't give him that.
Chris Prime: What?
Zach Sheets: You got sprinkled.
Chris Prime: You got Ike and Mike. um like They're just Ikes and Mike's, but I'm like, for Jelly Beans, I...
Zach Sheets: Was it... I thought there was, they're like sprinkles, like ice cream sprinkles.
Chris Prime: No, they're huge.
Zach Sheets: But yeah, it had to be some kind of candy.
Zach Sheets: It's weird they didn't show Baxter like their photo of like, hey, this is this is the guy that like we know is infiltrating us. And people are like, oh, that's Kaminsky. like
Chris Prime: Yeah, they're finding out now.
Zach Sheets: He's figured out now, yeah.
Chris Prime: There was a survivor?
Zach Sheets: yeah
Chris Prime: Chicago smarts.
Zach Sheets: yeah
Chris Prime: So we really don't see the wife again, right?
Zach Sheets: I don't think so. She just like has to live her entire life knowing that like Mark blew up in an oil refinery explosion.
Chris Prime: that marriage was rocky, but this is cruel.
Chris Prime: Hello, new wife.
Zach Sheets: i have a bag full of stolen money.
Chris Prime: Is Harry still alive?
Zach Sheets: Maybe.
Chris Prime: Oh, this is their Casablanca moment.
Chris Prime: She's also a bad gambler. Don't give her choices.
Chris Prime: She's like, I'm going to double down. you no
Zach Sheets: It's like, pilot, take me to Monte Carlo.
Zach Sheets: He is looking at you, kid.
Chris Prime: Of all the Chicago bars and all the Chicago places.
Chris Prime: This movie should have been called Chicago Deal.
Zach Sheets: You know, I read the... On ID Trivia, it says the original title was Let's Make a Deal.
Chris Prime: It sounded like a TV show. I think there is a TV show.
Zach Sheets: mean yeah it's it's a game show.............
Zach Sheets: Look at you. You're so skinny, Harry. You got to be pumping it up.
Chris Prime: Lies. Lies.
Zach Sheets: The token, like, people are going to be mad if he doesn't go back to his wife.
Chris Prime: For all that drinking and baking?
Zach Sheets: I like how this hand wait it's like not even an explanation of like how he got like undid his death and everything his fake death
Chris Prime: Yep, he just showed up one day and was like, I'm back. He unexploded that gasoline factory.
Zach Sheets: by the way I didn't die
Chris Prime: I feel like this is a scene from another movie, right? Like, they stole this something from, like, a play, which was like, alright, let's just include in this.
Zach Sheets: yeah like some sort like inspirational drama about a guy who like wants to walk again
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Chris Prime: Regains his, like, mobility.
Chris Prime: Also, for a guy that got shot, like, in the shoulder, he I don't understand how what happened to his legs.
Zach Sheets: i guess he i mean i guess he had to take his a shot to the spine or something
Chris Prime: I don't know.
Zach Sheets: by Maybe.
Zach Sheets: Raw deal.
Chris Prime: Best deal? I mean, Arnold got everything. like He got everything he wanted.
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: The raw deal would have been like he didn't get everything he wanted and it's like he got tricked but it was exactly what he signed up for. It was like he accomplished the goal.
Zach Sheets: He accomplished it. then he went home and his life is way better than was when he left.
Chris Prime: If anything the town he blew up got the raw deal. It's like they welcomed this guy became the sheriff and then blew up their like economy.
Zach Sheets: would great he went back to like ah the town and it's just like it's like a a desolate because all their income's gone. it just it turned into ghost town.
Chris Prime: Yeah, like, if you think about it, they might have, um, he might have just, like, really put off those workers who let, uh, like, these people drive through that lumber yard.
Chris Prime: So they're gonna get us speaking to. And then it's like, I'm pretty sure you can't just blow up gasoline on a public road and they're just, like, like, someone's gotta fix that, right?
Chris Prime: And then he blew up the refinery.
Zach Sheets: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I guess maybe they had the logging as well in that town, because they had that giant logging facility, but...
Zach Sheets: Mm-hmm.
Chris Prime: Yeah, but that runs on gasoline.
Chris Prime: I mean, it's still like a decent Arnold movie.
Zach Sheets: yeah it's it's it's Yeah, it's a great like deeper cut. like If you're Arnold Sicko like us, like it's like, oh yeah, Raw Deal. that's And Red Heat, those are the ones. If you tell someone to name it Arnold Movie, no one is ever going to name Raw Deal.
Chris Prime: Thank
Chris Prime: Again, that wife is not going to be super excited that her husband faked his death and got away with her for, like, what feels like weeks.
Zach Sheets: like
Zach Sheets: They have like musical theme- each each character- like the Arnold got a theme and the main Yagaga got a theme. There's a special section just for themes.
Zach Sheets: Oh man. Find this soundtrack on vinyl or something.
Chris Prime: Hmm.
Chris Prime: ah d Yeah, I feel like, um...
Zach Sheets: Oh, yeah.
Zach Sheets: Yeah, definitely definitely definitely a super fun ah like, ah you know, not top tier Arnold, but like if you're wanting to dig into like his ah deeper filmography, this is like a fun one.
Chris Prime: in In the spirit of what this movie represents, it's exactly what it is. You know what mean? Like, it's it's fun, action-y. It's supposed to be, like, cheesy to some degree.
Chris Prime: But...
Zach Sheets: Well, it's like a gangster movie, but like with the Arnold twist of like a gangster movie where Arnold comes at the end and blows everybody with machine guns.
Chris Prime: Yeah. And then kind of of it's like, oh, you want the big shootout? It's like, you get two. You get the one in the quarry and the one in the casino. And it holds back like all these like kind of like things Arnold would have been doing to prove that he was the big muscle.
Chris Prime: They really wait until the end. ah And he was pretty much like a one man army and that's it. Like he didn't get help from anyone. You know, like it's he had like his gambling friend who, again, not a good gambler.
Zach Sheets: And Darren McGavin gave him like some money.
Chris Prime: Vague amount of money that he just keeps blowing off.
Zach Sheets: My life savings, $45,000. Here, take half of it.
Chris Prime: You know, he should have saved money and gave it back to him at the end.
Zach Sheets: Oh, some of the money. He gave me all the money to like Monique the Gambler. Be like, oh, I gotta pay my friend back ah the money he gave me to start this whole thing.
Chris Prime: have been funny at the end. Just like, oh, like, do you you know, hospitals are mounting. He's just like, oh I need to call my friend and ask for some money back.
Zach Sheets: like He gives me all the money and then he gives like Harry like a block of heroin. it's like you can You could probably sell that for a lot of money.
Chris Prime: Yeah.
Zach Sheets: The street value is like a couple hundred thousand dollars right now.
Chris Prime: Yeah, but like, in in terms of that universe, like, all of the East Coast drugs have been blown up by him.
Zach Sheets: Yeah, like the Chicago gone now.
Chris Prime: Yeah, the two the two like factors are just gone.
Zach Sheets: Both organizations dead. Different cities. He's got undercover different criminal organization.
Chris Prime: So... It would have been a sequel of like someone from the like the rival family tries to go after him. And then that would have been an interesting sequel to see Harry like, hey, you know you pissed off the other mob and now they're after they're back for revenge.
Zach Sheets: or ah different city he's got go like yeah he's got undercover of a different like or criminal organization like you're the master You're the master going undercover now, Mark.
Chris Prime: but Any last thoughts?
Zach Sheets: ah No, this is just yet it's just a super fun Arnold movie. um And yeah, 40 years.
Chris Prime: Damn. Age me.
Zach Sheets: ah
Zach Sheets: But ah yes, so i think they'll do it for this month's commentary. We'll be back in with another one next month. Head of the main site and check out all of our other stuff. We got the regular kind of the podcast. We got news reviews, trailers, all that stuff is up there.
Zach Sheets: um And yes, for Chris, I'm Zach, and we will see you next time.
Chris Prime: Thank
