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Leadership Coaching
15 Plays1 year ago
The coach approach goes beyond the one-on-one conversation. So many of the skills and mindset used in coaching can apply to different contexts and situations we all experience, including supporting us to be better leaders. In this conversation with Ann Fogolin, MCC, Elias explores the opportunities for leaders to develop these skills to support their professional roles and teams.
Connect with Ann at becuzimatter.com
#coaching #leadership #skills #primecoachingacademy #team #coachingskills
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Introduction to Prime Space Podcast
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Welcome to Prime Space, a Prime Coaching Academy podcast with your host, Elias Scultori.
Guest Introduction: Anne Fogelen
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And hello, my friend.
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I have the pleasure today to have a guest, a dear guest, Anne Fogelen.
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And some of you are, I know that you are very familiar with Anne.
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Hello, Anne.
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How are you?
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Good morning, I'm very well, Elias, how are you?
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I am great.
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You know, Anne is a master certified coach.
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She is an assessor for the ICF, a long time assessor, but she's not only the assessor for the ICF.
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Anne has been working for the past quite a few years now, very closely with the ICF.
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She was a member of the team that developed the PCC markers and
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She's been in the task force for the ACC Bars, the MCC Bars.
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She was in the team that supported Create the Resources Guide for the Assessors.
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Em is a longtime mentor, supervisor.
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The qualifications in coaching are endless here.
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She is really a skillful master facilitator.
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I have had the pleasure to
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to work with Anne closely in facilitating training programs.
Coaching in Leadership: John Wooden's Influence
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We also had a little podcast that we created some years ago.
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So we've done this together for some time.
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And I really wanted to bring Anne to be a part of Prime Space.
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And Anne, thank you so much for being here.
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It's always a pleasure, Elias.
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You know, as I listen to that, I think, man, I've been around a long time.
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A long time.
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But not only you've been around, you have influenced and made an impact in the community.
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So thank you for all the work that you have done.
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Well, I appreciate that.
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It is truly my pleasure.
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So, Anne...
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What are we going to talk about here today?
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I think that we said something about the connection between coaching and leadership.
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So where should we start?
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Well...
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For you and anyone who knows me, you know that sports has always been a big deal in my life and our family.
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And one of the greatest examples, I think, in leadership was Coach John Wooden, who coached the UCLA men's basketball, college basketball team to countless people.
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championship titles.
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And the reason he comes to mind for me is because he was the quintessential crossover for me of what a sport coach and what a coach could really accomplish.
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So the distinction for me is the sport coach, often we get the, you know, yell and tell.
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And when I think about that yell and tell, I think about a Bobby Knight and throwing chairs and what have you.
Role of a Leader: Being a Role Model
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But John Wooden was just such an incredible human being who implemented coaching skills within his role as a basketball coach.
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And so when I talk about coaching skills, I'm talking about the things that we as educators do
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bring to our classes, you know, the core competencies.
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And so he really did embody
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so many of those competencies in his work as a college basketball coach.
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And what I think is so important is that he demonstrated leadership, not by telling others what to do, but by being that role model.
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And I think that that is what we can translate into the work that we do when we're coaching leaders.
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And allowing them to really step into their own and be that influence that others are looking for, that organizations are so desperately needing, because we know that
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More than 70% of the employees that leave an organization leave because of poor leadership.
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I mean, the ball just keeps rolling on, Elias.
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So that's kind of where the crossover was for me.
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And I'm happy to share some of those thoughts if you think that that might be a good place to go.
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Absolutely.
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I love this.
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And I'm always fascinated by this aspect of coach training, coaching skills, and how they are applicable in so many different areas.
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And here comes leadership, a leader.
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And how often I am talking with my clients who are leaders of organizations and all of a sudden there is that particular skill that is like, oh, this is just what we were talking about in coach training.
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It's exactly that particular skill.
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So, yeah.
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So what are the specific coaching skills that a leader would benefit from?
Empowerment and Trust in Leadership
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One of the things that really stands out for me is that this is an individual who models
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models the way, if we will.
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And, you know, there's a great piece of what I'm sharing here today that comes out of his book, John Wooden's book, They Call Me Coach, because he had this pyramid of success.
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And it's so important that you are not asking of others what you are not willing to demonstrate yourself.
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So modeling the way is very much for me embodying the coaching mindset competency.
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in that we are always striving to be our best, to do our best, to continue to learn.
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And so as a leader, if I'm demonstrating that I am working hard like everyone else, that I'm willing to, quote unquote, get my hands dirty, do what needs to be done, that I am
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engaged, that I take responsibility for myself, that I am constantly willing to learn, meaning I'm asking questions, that I am listening to those in my team, in my organization.
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I'm modeling the way.
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And the bottom line to this is that I don't really care who gets credit for whatever.
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I don't need to have
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I don't need to have the accolades.
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What my goal is, is to support my team, my organization in being as successful as possible.
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And so when I model that way, it is very, it's easier to influence those to follow along.
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One of the things that was fascinating to me when we were preparing for this podcast, the story that you told me that he does not sit on the bench during the game, that he is in the audience and showing the level of trust
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And and giving giving power to the players.
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I trust that you can do that.
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That to me is such a core aspect of coaching and the coaching mindset that he is showing up in in his practice.
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So this was and so here's the crossover again, you know, the the.
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drills the practices, they would be introduced to drills on the floor.
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But what he also talks about is the fact that it wasn't always he who needed to course correct, he might stop a drill and then ask the man on the floor, what do you see happening?
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What needs to happen?
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So to your point, it was and that's the crossover because the sport coach will will do that.
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No, you need to move here, which is not what we would do in coaching.
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But he still had his a coach approach to his coaching, meaning stop the drill and go, what's not working here?
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What do you see happening?
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What needs to happen?
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What can you do to modify?
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So there was still a coach approach to that.
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So to your point, the trust in the individuals he had recruited.
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So his whole recruitment process was even different.
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It wasn't that he was looking only for the most skilled, but he was looking for men of character.
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And that was really interesting, too, because, you know, as all sports will have it, you have egos.
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And he did not think twice about sitting an ego on the bench, even if it were the best player, because it was in the best interest of the team as a whole long term.
Team Collaboration vs. Individual Stardom
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So that would be
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a leader in an organization not accepting poor behavior from a team member, that there are consequences to our behavior.
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And so being egotistical is not going to support the team moving forward.
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So in that trust process, he would have his assistant coaches on the bench and they didn't have much to say because, again, it was the trust of the men on the floor that they could analyze a situation in the moment, course correct as needed.
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And then move on.
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And he was up in the stands.
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And so then we did the game tape review, right?
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And we do that as coaches.
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I do that.
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If I've worked with a leader in whatever it is that they want to bring to a meeting, then we do a game tape review if that's what the leader is looking for.
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Let's do an analysis of what went really well in that meeting.
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What changed for you?
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How were you different in the meeting that created the change that you were looking for?
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Those types of things.
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It's so beautiful to hear this story and how you're describing this, you know, going back to describing specific coaching skills here, the trust, right?
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The belief that my client, the belief that my direct report is capable.
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I honor you.
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How often, you know, we destroy our teams because we are too hands-on or because we are too directive.
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And we are not giving our team members, our direct report, the opportunity to really speak up, the opportunity to really bring their gifts to the table because we are smothering and putting so much in the room that there is no room for the other to really come and show their best.
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So that story is so beautiful here.
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And the other point that came up for me as well is this idea that we are all here, even though we have different gifts, even though we have different experiences, we are all here playing together.
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We are a
Creating a Valued Work Environment
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team.
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There is no space for one to be the star.
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Exactly.
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So that's really interesting too, because then that goes into if you want to lead a high performing team, it is really about making sure that
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everyone gets credit for, everyone takes responsibility for.
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It's not finger pointing at anything because if anything's going to erode trust really quickly, it's the finger pointing.
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Well, it wasn't me.
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You know, Elias didn't do what he was supposed to do.
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That erodes trust really quickly.
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And once trust is eroded, it's very difficult to regain.
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You know, a leader is responsible for gaining results and
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And results are important.
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How you gain those results is what's even more important.
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So it's the expectation and the follow through, but it's the follow through of the support that's offered.
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So how do I support my client as a leader in continuing to make movement forward in the work that they're looking to create?
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Organizations will keep you as long as the results are there and results in a lot of organizations will be bottom line as the
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is the financials.
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But more importantly, I think that's happening now is that organizations are learning that when their employees are happy, it's much easier to create the results that you're looking for.
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So what is it that needs to happen in order to
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allow people to want to come to work, to want to be part of this team, to feel motivated, to feel like they are heard, to feel like they are valued, to feel like they are contributing, to feel like they matter in an organization.
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That's the leader's job.
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And when we can flip those numbers around, that 70% of our employees are engaged, that they want to be there, it will be amazing what will be created.
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The leader is the one who is going to have to take the initiative because they have the influence, they have the ability to influence.
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So what are the quality of those relationships that they want to create?
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How are you engaging?
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How are you acknowledging?
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How are you providing clear, concise, comprehensive feedback as necessary when necessary?
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How do you make sure that the rules apply to everybody, not just to some, including yourself?
Shared Passion for Leadership and Coaching
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Take responsibility when it's yours.
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You know, those types of things, it will be so much easier.
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when people know that there's a fairness and a level of respect that will be gained, even if they don't like it, they can respect you for being the leader in following through.
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What are you smiling at?
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I'm smiling because...
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It reminds me of when we used to create our podcast, like how much passion we have towards this work.
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And it shows how much passion you have towards this work of supporting leaders and supporting coaches and supporting leaders.
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And I appreciate it goes back to what you said at the beginning of this episode here.
Closing Remarks
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the modeling, right?
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And how much are we as coaches modeling this mindset, right?
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for our client leader so that they can also model to their, bring that to their team and to their employees.
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So thank you, Anne.
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I'm sure you're gonna be back and record more episodes with us because there is so much more for us to discuss here in this short period of time.
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Thank you so much for being here, everyone.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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And Anne, thank you so much for being here.
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Always a pleasure.
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All right, everybody.
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Take care.
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I'll speak with you next time.