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Ep. 273 – The Book of Mormon: Less Wrothy, More Frothy Moroni
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This week we’re chatting about how cheap Sam is, the Graham Platner smear campaign, whether or not it’s sinful to be a furry, and then we’re doubling back on the Book of Alma! According to Reddit Mormons, we skipped over one of the most exciting stories Joseph Smith committed to paper when we got bored and skipped the second half of the book. It’s the story of Moroni’s suppression of a rebellion, his vanquishing of the eternally naughty Lamenites, and the introduction of a very funny character that I just couldn’t wait to tell Sam about. Enjoy the show!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Setting
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And it came to pass that I didst Google best stories the Book of Mormon. And it came to pass that I stumbled upon a Reddit post of a person asking the same thing.
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o And it came to pass... that one of the posters brought up a specific story to which another poster said, i wanted to name, to make my son's middle name after this particular character.
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And you will never in a million years guess what the person's name is. The hero from the book of... No, that is a good guess.
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no that is a good guess though
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everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian.
Casey's School and Financial Challenges
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I'm Sam. And I'm Casey. And Casey. I'm, I think I'm on the record at this point talking about my, um just the fact that I'm a cheap bastard.
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um ah It's come up a couple of times, right? In the past by five years? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so end of the year, um working at a school, you have to do this really goofy pageant. I mean, actually end of the year at any business anywhere is just a lot of pageantry. Um, cause you guys, do you guys do yearly evaluations and you get like with your team do like a yearly evaluation for everybody and do a meeting about it?
00:01:50
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Yes. I hate it. It's terrible. Do you, it's really annoying. Does your team have to do self evaluations? Uh, No, I just have to do a yearly review with everyone. I'm supposed to do 60-day review, six-month review, and then a yearly review with everyone. Wow. And it's like I'm so involved in their day-to-day stuff. you know like I'm out doing things with them. We talk about it constantly in sales meetings and things like that. like There's...
00:02:21
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If there's something to say, I've said it already. yeah So it's like it's just a formality that's very annoying. And so I do a lot of copy and past I have a folder of all the ones that I've done, and I copy and paste a lot.
00:02:33
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ah Well, if you work in a school, at least in Massachusetts, you have um you have your your you have two goals, um like a teaching goal, a professional practice goal. I don't know. there's like and then like yeah're And then there's like you have to goals for like five different standards or...
00:02:56
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whatever. um It's really more important. This is like, as a school adjustment counselor, a lot of what it does is just, I have to just kind of make it work. Like the rubric isn't really for me. And my evaluator is my assistant principal. And she kind of knows that like they, everyone just knows that it's not, but it's like, do the best you can. Here's the idea behind it.
00:03:20
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Let's work with that. So you have to like, tell us how many kids you gave up on. Yeah. But one of them is like, you know, 80% of your students will make growth and then you have to upload all the data you've taken over the year and the various benchmark testing that you've done to see that they're making growth, whether it's like, ah you know, like you have to weigh them.
00:03:39
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pri Yeah. Yeah. Like pre mid post tests, just like different forms of evaluation, you know, depending on what they're, it could be like a different forms of like standardized.
00:03:51
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ah the There's like ones for anxiety. If a kid's dealing with anxiety, there's a new scales and you can see if they've made progress, whatever. a lot of this is like, There are kids who don't really make much progress outside of your typical developmental progress because they're maybe in kindergarten or first grade. You expect them to grow up a little by the time the year's over. Anyway, I'll have to say, you got to get a bunch of shit together. It's really annoying. Everybody hates it. i didn't With my paternity leave slapped in the middle of the year, um there was just a lot of... I struggled to get a lot of my shit together in time for this. So I was busy over the weekend putting in...
00:04:30
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trying to do a bunch of this. And of course the website, we do it on socks. So like I take too long and I don't save it in time. i get kicked out. Everything I put in disappears. i have re upload it and re type my dumb ass paragraph. Like it's the sites of pain in the ass. It's just kind of what you expect for being in the education world where everything is just kind of broken and held together by duct tape and strings. But right.
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We, we, So I'm like, Sunday, I'm just going to so get we're go sit and get all this stuff done. um and then um But my wife was like, oh, what if we went to this ramen restaurant um in Worcester?
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And I'm like... I don't know. Like, I feel like we just, weve this is coming back to the cheap thing. I'm like, I feel like we've just kind of spent a lot of money in the past few years. We had to do a big shopping trip. Like I looked at my bank account. That's always a bad idea for me. I should never look at our bank account. I should just ask.
00:05:28
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my wife if we have enough money and then she'll lie to me and say we do and then I'll be happy. Like there's so many problems that get avoided if I just don't look at my bank account. But I looked at it, I go, I don't know.
00:05:39
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And she's like, oh okay, whatever. And then later on she asks again and I'm like, yeah, baby, I got a lot to do. I don't even know if I have time to do this. And then I end up just being like, all right, I'll do it.
00:05:53
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um It's fine. I'll go. Um, and the kids are pumped cause we just watch a lot of Naruto. They love ramen because they eat ramen and Naruto. So now they want to be big ramen people.
00:06:05
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Um, And it's good. They actually genuinely like it. it's good. Yeah, it's it's good. so And this place in Worcester is really good. Shashu Ramen, I think is what it's called.
00:06:16
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ah My first time there. Everyone else has been there. um and so And then um my wife's sister-in-law had stopped by and she was like, oh, I'll go. And then asked um her fiance, my wife's brother, if she want they want to. So it ended up being a thing. And I was like, all right.
00:06:34
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We're mostly there and like I hit the brakes. We take the van. I'm like, the brakes from we leave the brakes are fucked up in this thing. like I knew they were it was getting time to to like redo them because when we went to North Carolina for our vacation, um i was like on the way back. I'm like, these brakes need to get done. But I forgot about it because I don't drive it. Now I'm driving it. I'm like, I feel like we're just about to, I feel like the rotors are about to disintegrate in this thing. Like the, it was so bad.
00:07:03
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And then by the time we get to Worcester and I'm driving slow, there's vent going on, probably some sort of graduation. Can't find parking, driving in circles and circles and circles. And as I'm driving slow and turning the wheel, it could be a wheel bearing thing. I don't know. It could be.
00:07:16
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few things, but I know the brakes need to be done. So I scheduled an appointment to have the brakes done with my guy who does it and was like, and keep an eye out for other stuff that might be making fucked up sounds. And, um, but like when you're, we're just driving slow, I'm like, everyone's turning their heads, looking at us. I'm like, this is so embarrassing. I don't want to drive this fucking thing. It's like, they're just making noise. It's just a grinding of like metal on metal. Um, and I just feel like such an idiot. like Everyone thinks I don't know to take care of a vehicle. And, ah Anyway, so really stressed about that, the sound, the lack of parking. And then we finally park, whatever.
00:07:55
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Have a good time. Eat. First time eating there. It's great. When my wife was there with her friends for one of her friend's birthday, they got a bottle of sake. And she was like, this is it was really good. We should get it for the table. I go i don't really like ordering like.
00:08:09
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I don't, it's Sunday night. Why we, we don't need to order a fucking bottle cider. I thought, i thought we were just going to go. He's going to make sure that you take the fun out of every piece of this outing for your wife.
00:08:20
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I thought we were just going to get ramen. Like she made it sound like this. Like we're just going to do this quick thing real quick. I'm just tripling down on being a wet blanket. No, but I wasn't. No, no, no. I kept it all inside. i wasn't making a big deal about it at all, but I was just like,
00:08:37
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I thought we were you know, you go, you order some ramen, we come home. i didn't know we were like, the way it was presented was like like this quick thing, you know? Like, i didn't I didn't know what this place was. I didn't know it was like a nice sit-down restaurant. I didn't know anything about it I'm like, suddenly we're not we're not, this isn't just, we're just not doing the thing I thought we were going to do, which was like, get a quick bowl of ramen and come home. And now we're sitting down like for a real dinner, ordering drinks and shit. I'm like, I got shit to do. I didn't think we were going But anyway, it was fine. I got my shit done. It it doesn it didn't matter.
00:09:10
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But we're ordering. but So she orders this bottle of sake and I change my tune because I take a sip of it. I go, oh, fuck, that's really good. Like, I couldn't stop drinking it. That stuff was really good. And and.
00:09:25
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ah Then we get the bill and she tries to grab it quick. And I, I, I look at it and she grabs it and she, I see her eyes get big and I go, that's, ah that's crazy. Like that never happens. um This Just a typical bottle. ah so I mean, it's like a 750 milliliter bottle. Just think of regular wine bottle. It was like $65. I was like, what the fuck? She's like, I did not know. I swear to Last time that they got it, they got it for the table and they were for a friend's birthday and everybody just split the bill. So they wouldn't, didn't really think that much of it. Um,
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And, uh, but i was like, that's crazy. Uh, 65. I've never, i cause I was looking at their menu and I saw like a lot of them were like $32, 40. Like that's fine. That's kind of normal for, you know, a bottle. But I was like, of course, of course that happened. I mean, we went for, we went for a quick couple of bowls of ramen and we're out like 170 Fucking Yeah.
00:10:32
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and fucking suckcks But I stayed calm and I was had a good time and I didn't I wasn't a dick. I'm trying to suppress that. And at a different time, that wouldn't have bothered me. It just happened to have coincided with me looking at our bank account and seeing a lot less money than I like to see it.
00:10:49
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Hmm. Yeah, it's a bad feeling. The unexpected bill sucks. Yeah, I got I got that at tax season this year. Yeah. I waited too long to do it.
00:10:59
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And then we went in and do it. we went in, went through the whole process and like needed a couple other pieces of paper. And this lady really fixated on like this one thing. And I was like, it's there's nothing really here that you need to worry about. Like it's all in my W2.
00:11:16
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You know, like it's all included. And I already paid a bunch of taxes on it. You know, like I already paid excess taxes in to account for like this portion of my like compensation or whatever. But she just kept bringing it up and she's like, i need this and I need that. and I'm like, OK, so we get all done.
00:11:36
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And she's like, all right, so, ah you know, ah this is where you guys are at. And it looks like, you know, your total is going to be like, it was like $3,200. thirty two hundred dollars and I'm like,
00:11:48
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Oh, God, that sucks. Really? Yeah, that's that's what it looks like. You owe the state this. You know, fine, whatever. That's OK. So go home. I gather these other papers that she wanted. Right.
00:12:03
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Send them to her. Just email them to her so she can finish out the file and everything. She's like, all right, it's completed. You just have to OK it and then I can submit it. And now it's like two days before the deadline, you know, because I should have done this ah two months beforehand. yeah And I get to the end of the statement to to pay my balance or whatever. And it's like $6,800.
00:12:25
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sixty eight hundred dollars And I'm like, whoa, what is this? And I like sent her an and an email on. it I'm like, I thought we were, that's where we were like half of this. Like, I know that I sent you some extra things to like some extra paperwork, but like, how did we double like what are we're supposed to pay? And she's like, well, that's just what it is. And I'm like,
00:12:46
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You don't sound good at your job. I don't think she did it right. And I think this is the second time that she's made me pay way more than I was supposed to in. And now I'm like, okay, well, that's it. I'm not going back to this lady again.
00:13:02
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You missed that, it was either like 50, 75, or 100% tip button right below where you signed. Yeah, right. It's like every time you go out and order a snack from anywhere with a POS system, they just ask for a tip.
00:13:20
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is that what ah Is that what people are doing at H&R Block now? how Maybe so. That might be what the deal was. but Is that where you went, H&R Block? Yeah, it's just like it's not a good option, but I've been doing it for so long now that it's just like automatic at this point, you know? Yeah.
00:13:38
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So but this year I got to find somebody to actually like is somebody qualified to actually do it. If you skip um if you skip one year at H&R Block, you'll probably get 17 emails asking if they can do it for you for free for the next five years.
00:13:54
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That's probably true.
Spiritual Warfare and Witchcraft
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That's kind of how everybody does. That's
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um it. Real quick, I thought this was... I thought this was so good that ah I figured it would be ah it be worth bringing up here. But did you happen to catch this clip that Christian Nightmares posted?
00:14:14
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It's like a and person doing a podcast about and they're talking about witchcraft. I don't know if I did. I don't think so. I'm going to play this. Shout out to user Big Bad Drums.
00:14:30
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She rules. She's been following us for a long time and ah she usually has like a a good comment on ah any of the Christian nightmares posts or whatever. So, okay.
00:14:41
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So this is ah a guy and a girl sitting down for a podcast talking about spiritual warfare. One time at church, but I always heard pastors stuff be like, don't pray against principalities. Like, don't know, don't ever do it. Like it's, you'll get whipped and stuff. Like it's, they're too big for people to pray against. And so I always had that back of my mind. And then one time at church, God was like, I want you to pray against the spirit of witchcraft, the principality of a Scotia. I was like,
00:15:03
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God, I was like, but people always say not to. He's like, no, but I'm going to show you what to pray again so you can. So he's always been taught, don't pray against principalities.
00:15:13
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it's I was never taught that. Because you'll get whooped. Apparently that was a core doctrine at wherever he went to church. But now God is asking him to, God spoke to him directly and told him it's time to pray against the witchcraft in Scottsdale.
00:15:29
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and so i can do it through you Wow.
00:15:45
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What is he talking about? Ask me to forgive all the sins of witchcraft and every spell or witchcraft performed here in Scottsdale. So I did that. Then he showed me this altar in Old Town Scottsdale that was to witchcraft. And he had me pray and be like destroy it. he kept telling me all these different things, break it, break it. And he says, now ask me to rebuke itself. And I watched the invisible hand of God. like I don't see anything. But it's like she got grabbed and hurled. And God said he hurled it to the Pacific Ocean.
00:16:12
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Don't know why. One time at church, but i That is so stupid. oh it's It's the dumbest thing. It's throwing fireballs. And then they were teleporting here to this altar. Like, bro, you made this up. When are these people going to come clean? They make all this shit up. I think, I don't know if they really, i don't know if they like have a thought and an idea in their head thinking about what it could be. And then they go, that's what it's like. That's what God was showing me. I had an idea that I came up with on purpose, trying to use my imagination, but what it could be like.
00:16:43
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And then because I had an idea, that means God was showing me idea. And now I'm going to walk around and tell everybody is real. And I'm going to believe it's real. What level of doopery? Like how dumb, how, what, how, what, what do you I don't know, dude, you just gotta, you're just going to walk through life saying stuff like,
00:17:03
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These people on like podcasts and shit like with whatever us to I get we're on pod. We do pocket. But like these people go around and do this like the podcast circuit of like just saying outlandish bullshit. This is what like the Republican like podcast like far right circuit is like you were they Tucker Carlson getting scratched by demons. Yeah, they all just say the same things everywhere. and like whoa, no way, bro. like You're walking into a group thing, echo chamber, collective effervari effervescence. like
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like you're just It's all there to make you just believe that it's true, like to make you believe more that it's true. You you could say it, and then you're like... People, people like, like, wow. Yeah.
00:17:48
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Wow. That's crazy. That really happened. Like, no, in the real world, people go, that's bullshit. And you're like, oh no, no, I may, I didn't make it up. And then you stop telling that story because you're afraid of the reaction you're going to get, but you go to these places and they give you the reaction you want and you just go and you go and you go. And then before you know what you're giving a sermon at some dumb ass mega church, telling some stupid story about a person you met in a parking lot. That's clearly not true.
00:18:18
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It feels a little like the Renaissance fair where it's like you feel really dumb doing an old English accent or whatever, but they're like, look, it's just more fun if everybody plays along.
00:18:29
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Right. It's more immersive and all just kind of join in. You ain't that's a perfect example because you have to you have to play along. You just roll with it. That's what people like.
00:18:40
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That's the most annoying thing about podcasts in general or any interview medium YouTube podcast, whatever it is. It's just like it's just people who don't have a backbone just slurping each other constantly.
00:18:54
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Yeah, or people like, ah this is the toll that I pay for getting to make up my version of a spiritual encounter. I have to i have to humor yours. you know Right.
Podcast Dynamics and Influencers
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It's like we we we are in a an unspoken mutual contract where we humor each other's lies. Right. I think as ah as a general rule, no, not as a general, as an absolute rule, you should never take any sort of advice from a broccoli cut athleisure bro.
00:19:25
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i was Nothing that they say is worthwhile. Don't even take fitness advice from them. Yeah, no, because they just hit the genetic lottery. They did five push-ups and their pecs got massive. Yeah.
00:19:37
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ah Dude, I saw a clip. I don't think I actually had to think about whether or not we had him on the podcast or not. um I think his name is Brandon Roberts. Brandon Robertson.
00:19:50
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think it's Brandon Roberts. He might have written a book called. i think his book was called God and the Gay Christian. Give me one second. Like, I'm trying sound familiar.
00:20:01
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I don't. We probably I remember talking to you about him. um Because I know I know what it was. Yeah, I know that's Matthew Vines. Matthew Vines was God and the gay Christian.
00:20:15
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um Let me. Look up Brandon Roberts. Rob Robertson. Nope. Yes. Brandon Robertson. What a journey this is so far. Shut up, dude.
00:20:29
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Hey, you know what? Him and I share a birthday. So this was worth it to find out that he was also born on June 24th. just Just roll with it. Come on Okay. All right. I'm rolling.
00:20:43
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I got an email from his publisher or something a while back asking like if we wanted to have them on, uh, the podcast and I, I sent it to you. I never followed up cause I didn't know if it would be like an awesome fit for us. Um,
00:20:59
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Until I just saw a clip from Jesse Lee Peterson's podcast ah with Brandon Robertson on it. And it was fucking funny because Brandon's just like, yeah, I'm ah like unapologetically. um What's the word he used? i'm I'm like an unapologetically radical gay man, gay Christian. And Jesse Lee Peterson's just like, what now? like he can It's just things he can't understand. Just one little drip of drool came out of his mouth when he said that. Pretty much. And then the, um, at the end of the clip, it's just, it's, uh, Peterson going amazing.
00:21:39
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yeah you just The comments were just unhinged on it. Listen, it's crazy to think of like people just thinking Jesse Lee Peterson is a smart one in the room at any point in time, but, um,
00:21:51
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Anyway, that I only brought that up because he's still around. I know. ah But I bring it up because it's like, that's probably the one area left. where it's just like the opposite of what he sucks. Like he's a, he's not a good person. He's just, he's really just a Clayton Bigsby of a character. um But it's, it's probably the one space left on the internet where like, he just has people on that say things he doesn't agree with. And he has no real response. He's not trying. He's not a lot, even a lot of dog whistles. He's just like, wow.
00:22:27
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amazing. That's it. He's so like, he's such a dumb guy. Yeah. doesn't He doesn't have any good takes on anything. You're never like amazed by his response or like, well, okay. I mean, he has an argument here, even if it's stupid, like it's just his brashness. That's, that's the only thing that gets like, he's not going to have a retort for that. He's just going he, he's going to be like, I'm an unapologetically gay Christian man.
00:22:55
Speaker
And he's going to be like, You try to tell me you you like men's bottoms? Yeah. You like men's bottoms? You ever get poop on your penis? like so It's going to be something like that. That's the only kind of retort he ever has. It is. And he also so for anyone who doesn't know who he is, which is probably almost nobody at this point, because we have talked about him plenty. But um he is he's a black man that but is like a white supremacist. Like and there's no way around. That's not just like a flippant accusation. There's no way around. Like in an interview, he'd be like, well, don't you think that white people are superior to black people?
00:23:33
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And and like white people being interviewed are like, hold on, what is happening right now? Like they don't. he's like such a shameless hack that like he he catches everyone off guard by what a he is. This will like he'll just say things that are blatantly like like derogatory of his self.
00:23:53
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in an attempt to like shock the audience with like you know how how bizarre his his opinions are. yeah Yeah, it's nuts. It's truly unhinged. But listening to clips from Brandon Robertson, on and now i was like, oh, maybe I should reach out to Brandon, only so I can ask him, what was it like being on Jesse Lee Peterson's show? That's my only curiosity.
00:24:17
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Jesse Lee Peterson has like a reverse cleft palate. Yeah. He has a hole in the bottom of his mouth. He can probably lick his own Adam's apple through it. An internal cleft palate. he's like he's like a He's like a burn victim that didn't actually get burnt. like There's just something about him where you're like, this is a human slug. like What happened when this guy was in the womb? Yeah. His mother, his mother, like, like sat in a hot tub full of pickle juice for like, you know, two trimesters.
00:25:01
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I definitely I it's very possible that she microwaved a lot of food during his pregnancy with him. 200 years ago, they would have put him in a jar. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.
00:25:17
Speaker
It have been a circus exhibit. he He would just say three words. Wow. Amazing. it's ah It's a really bad time right now for Republican pundits.
Challenges in Political Debates
00:25:30
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like Oh, my God. Did you see Dave Rubin? Yeah, I was watching that one today.
00:25:36
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I didn't get to. I didn't see enough of it, though. I need that. That's going to be that's going to be on my ride to work tomorrow. Yeah, I heard he got slapped like a bitch, though.
00:25:47
Speaker
Oh, it's terrible. And it's like it's it's like it's like 19 year olds that are destroying him, too. Yeah, I watched the first, I watched like one of like the first, so it's like, um what do they call those things where you're interviewed by like, where you're like debated by like 20 something people and they all stand around you.
00:26:05
Speaker
It's like a, yeah is it Jubilee that does it? Yeah, I think that's it. Which is a, I, I've seen stuff on there that was, that was all right or at least interesting, but I kind of hate that channel. I don't know.
00:26:19
Speaker
It's, ah it's annoying. It's a little annoying. i like, You just have to be you have to be really fucking smart to do it. Because what the people asking you questions aren't, but they're prepared.
00:26:33
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And if you're not really smart, then you... like like I think of ah like our ah previous guest, ah Dan McClellan, right? Right. Dan McClellan is a very, very smart man.
00:26:47
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He has most of what he's ever learned stored in his brain and ready to access. And so a guy like that could do something like one of these Jubilee events because whatever people come prepared with, one, he's probably going to be pretty...
00:27:05
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accurate about what people are going to try to use as gotcha stuff. Like, so that's one of the parts of it. Like if you're going to be one of the people who's being debated and you're going debate all these people, you have to have a good idea of what most people are going to use to bring to you. And then you have to just know how to access your responses, like the information for a response.
00:27:26
Speaker
And that's not a a lot of people. So you get a guy like Dave Rubin, who's like his only experience is just being a talking head in a safe environment his entire career. Like no, no real. Anytime there's pushback, they just lose connection to the audio feed. You know what I mean? they They don't have real arguments or debates. like So for him, it's just like, what what was it just shows you how egotistical he's gotten being like fluffed as this guy who knew how to do a job that he actually didn't know how to do.
00:28:01
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It's desperation. Like, I think from Dave Rubin and from ah Jordan Peterson, who was recently humiliated on that same show. Rubin was a Fox News guy, right?
00:28:13
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I honestly, I don't even know. i know he's like a conservative gay dude. He and his husband are adopting a child or they're having ah a child through a surrogate. And ah everyone who supposedly is, ah you know, his ally hates that.
00:28:30
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But, you know, it's like it's going to be an act of desperation from like him and from Peterson, because like there's what is the upside to going on there other than just like hoping to get a few viral clips out of it? And to like, why would you put yourself in that situation when you have this like blaringly obvious millstone hanging around your neck going into that debate? Like,
00:28:56
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it's It's kind of like we you know if J.D. Vance runs for president in 2028, it would be really stupid of him to do that because he's going to have to defend to the death all of Trump's policies.
00:29:10
Speaker
He can't speak out against daddy in the same way that Kamala Harris couldn't speak out against Biden and his unpopular policies. So like you put yourself in these situations where there is no way to win.
00:29:21
Speaker
You are going to look like an idiot because you have to be like dishonest in your response. Right. You can't be a real person. You don't have real ideas or real opinions. You're just a fucking like you're just a prop.
00:29:36
Speaker
The big thing that like the big one that stood out from the Dave Rubin one was the ah One of these one of these young guys asked him, like, can you ah can you name any metric, you know, economic and GDP, this, that and the other that is better now than it was under at the end of Joe Biden's term?
00:29:58
Speaker
And the answer is no, you can't because there is none. And like Rubin can't contradict Trump. He can't speak out against him in any sort of negative way. You know, like he is rubber butts are way up.
00:30:17
Speaker
And I have one, but I also think that they're wrong because I'm a Christian, sort of. The same thing with Jordan Peterson, though. like Jordan Peterson is not a Christian in any sort of way that like would make sense to the average evangelical. like He's like a pseudo-intellectual academia guy that is strung out on benzos.
00:30:41
Speaker
yeah You know, he's eaten nothing but like cancerous meat for like six years. He's near death. And like he's on there as you know, so he shows up on the show as a as a Christian baating debating 20 atheists.
00:30:56
Speaker
But like his version of Christianity does not compute with like the audience that he has. some sort of holdover. So like he has to defend this like strand of evangelicalism that he doesn't even believe in.
00:31:09
Speaker
And so when he gets questioned about it, it's like, they're like, well, do you actually believe that this, that, and the other? And his, his only defense is to go, what is believe? Yeah.
00:31:20
Speaker
What does believe mean? I cannot. how How am I supposed to debate these terms if we don't define the terms first? And it's like, this is just the dumbest like semantics nonsense that I've i've ever heard.
00:31:33
Speaker
It's how is like a dumb person pretending to be a smart person wastes time so they don't have to actually answer a question. it's Well, we have to spend we need to spend 45 minutes defining every word in the question in order for me to be able to accurately answer the question. like He doesn't believe in like the social contract of common language at all. He's just like...
00:31:56
Speaker
Sorry, none none of us took a time portal from fucking eighteen hundreds United, like, from from England, from the 1800s to here, and now we're like, we really need to define our terms. You can't just say the F word like that when you want to go out for a cigarette. Like...
00:32:18
Speaker
Yeah, it was funny. It's just like watching these people disintegrate is hilarious. don't know we've even talked about the Ben Shapiro fallout, but don't think we did. Ben Shapiro's network is like completely disintegrating under its own weight and just the backlash of like the post Charlie Kirk, like pro Israel. It's complete disintegration. And watching him try to like defend it. So one of the things that's crazy to me is that the Daily Wire tried to – I didn't know they really – like when they were at the top, right? They're raking it in not for a long time. They're not like balancing their books super well, right?
00:33:02
Speaker
ah I didn't know they were trying to be like – conservative Disney. I didn't know they were trying to like make TV show. Like I heard about a show that maybe they were trying to make, but they tried to make like a Christian version of like, ah like of, uh, the rings of power or something. Yeah. Rings of power. Uh, pen dragon, something or other, the pen dragon order or something.
00:33:24
Speaker
They sunk all this money into some massive flops. um And then, I mean, Ben Shapiro is too stupid to know or realize that like no one like wants to listen to him just go to bat for Israel's right to rape constantly. Like they just don't. No one likes that. It's not appealing.
00:33:45
Speaker
It's not, well, you think that you shouldn't be able to do, right? But have you ever, do you know what it's like to be the occupying force in a land where people throw rocks at you? Do you have any idea what that's like? I bet you've never had a rock thrown at you. I've had plenty of rocks thrown at me because I'm a nerd and everybody hates me. It's like,
00:34:04
Speaker
Just three weeks ago, an IDF soldier was struck with a stone from a Hezbollah stronghold in the in the suburbs outside of Beirut. And that is why it is imperative that Israel flatten the suburbs of Beirut, all of them, and kill everyone there.
00:34:18
Speaker
Perfect. could Way better than what I just did. I mean, that is – I felt like I was listening to Ben Chabot. I closed my eyes and got hard. but His little nasally voice just like lulls you into a stupor. He's such a nerd. How did he get fit? Dude, how did these people get on top for a minute? like it's it's It's hard to put together at this point. And I i think it's really just like the you know him, Crowder, all of those guys, the way that they would just go out and pick fights with like...
00:34:50
Speaker
Specifically with groups of people that were like probably not going to be well, like good at defending themselves or they were going to get emotional during like the the debate or whatever. Like that's that's how they built that entire network was on stuff like that. Yeah. Like dumb PR stunts, you know, and it's just funny to watch how like now that they have to actually like.
00:35:12
Speaker
cope with the realistic fallout of the policies that they all want. It's just all falling. Like nobody, nobody cares about your anti-woke initiative or something. Now that like, ah you know, eggs are $12 a dozen and, and gas is five bucks a gallon. Right.
00:35:30
Speaker
And it's also a like, I don't, I don't know, man. I like, I know one of the things you just said was about like, oh, now that some of what like these policies that you champion for are in place, like I don't even... like They all have bad ideas for policies, right? But Trump has been... i saw this graph from a I don't remember the source. Source I i would trust, though. it And it was basically, had Trump like not gotten involved in the Middle East... like Trump has done a lot of things that I have...
00:36:08
Speaker
huge problem with like i think it's all fucked i think you know cut taking people's health care away i think doing raising taxes on the lower and middle class like all these things he does constantly i hate but as far as inflation and the cost of groceries it was like it it wouldn't have shifted that much outside of his um outside of him getting involved like with Iran.
Conservative Media and Political Dynamics
00:36:36
Speaker
That's pretty much the crux of it. More economic stressors on the situation. It was it was slowly balanced. so since Since Biden, it had been slowly been kind of balancing back and going up. in
00:36:48
Speaker
Despite ICE, despite every horrible thing he's done, all the predictors showed that that that incline would stay steady for the economy. um And he could – all he had to do was nothing, and he could have taken the credit for things getting better. All he had to do was literally nothing.
00:37:08
Speaker
And then – so it's not even like – I mean you could say the Iran war is a policy, but it's like – when you think of domestic policy, right, there's no – there's nothing that he's – done entirely like what i mean he's done things that are bad for us like market deregulations ah you know put all the stuff with like forever plastics not giving a shit about that anymore basically like guaranteeing contracts to Monsanto and Roundup and like like chemically poisoning us over the next 20, 30 years. Like we're all hurting our stuff.
00:37:40
Speaker
Yeah. We're all going to be hurt by these policies, but our groceries would have been more affordable is like, if it wasn't for the water. And so like the, that's, what's interesting about like these Ben Shapiro's and like all these right wing fucking assholes who built these networks is like, it's not even like a lot of things they wanted that they got have nothing to do with the economy being as shit as it is. It has to do with life being worse. Your overall like enjoyment and satisfaction with life or your ability to pay your healthcare bills. But as far as grocery prices and housing costs and economy, it,
00:38:20
Speaker
Like, like these people are dying by their own hands in their own ADC at this point. Like you're going to bat for a guy that everyone knows is stupid and no one can understand why that you won't give up the grip. Like you could have saved face by,
00:38:37
Speaker
splitting with him when it was like, Oh, we got the things we wanted here, but Oh no, no, no. Call attention to that thing over there. That wasn't good that you can say you don't like. So it can look like you have values and standards, but instead you literally just simp for everything.
00:38:54
Speaker
You can't get off your knees and close your jaw like you can't do ones that did like are doing better than ever. like Right. noting and So, and Zia Carroll, like all of those ones are doing great. And all they've really parted with him on is Epstein and yeah in Israel.
00:39:12
Speaker
which are the two most blaringly obvious things that people are going to hate. Right. so like it says It doesn't take rocket science to go with the flow. Even the dumber, slower moving of them, like like Megyn Kelly is like finally trying to like catch the last little backdraft out of that place. You know, after her slight misstep on. um on uh damn i do this with this guy all the time forget his name the the guy is trying to sell his books on how to rape children russell brand oh oh oh yeah
00:39:51
Speaker
yeah How did it become a Christian in seven years? For some reason, they they've circled the wagons around him. i don't understand why. really doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It doesn't. But it's ah probably because they're hack grifters and that's what they're going to do.
00:40:07
Speaker
ah We've been hitting this a little long, but before we move on, I also want to shout out someone that is in the thick of it right now. Yeah. Graham Plattner that the oh my God, dude, I am losing my mind over how much the smear campaign is ramping up against him as he just wipes the fucking floor with Susan Collins.
00:40:34
Speaker
yeah because this guy just stands on principle through and through. So his latest camp, smear the latest smear campaign against him, I'd like to know how many millions of dollars were sent into this camp smear campaign by pack.
00:40:47
Speaker
But essentially he is, ah butff i dude I can't go on Facebook or Instagram without being like, ah controversy riddled Grant Plattner faced with another accusation of this or that. it's It's killing me. The way it's all worded, even from like the New York Times and like magazines that should actually like, we know the New York Times is bullshit most of the time, but like, come on. Like if you're an actual, if you have any journalistic integrity, you'll, you'll frame the wording right. Not just as clickbait, but no one can avoid just being clickbait now. Nope. And,
00:41:25
Speaker
What it was is before Graham Plattner ran for Senate, he, his wife with one of the people on their campaign at advisory, it, he, she had, when they, after they had gotten married, ah they, she had, it had become apparent that he was, had sexted with some women through the, uh, kick, I believe. Um,
00:41:52
Speaker
She became aware of it. They've been in counseling. He's been in counseling on his own since he basically got out of war and was had a hard time with that. She's been counseling herself. They have a marriage counselor that they were working with. They've moved past it. She's moved past it. She thinks they're doing great. He thinks they're doing great.
00:42:13
Speaker
He starts running for Senate, and she brings it up as a possible problem that someone might try to use against them. And that person goes, no, no, I don't think that'll be a problem. In fact, everything should be fine. And then that person went on to leak that information. um That's a good dude.
00:42:32
Speaker
The person who who leaked that information might have been a woman, actually. was it word lady was working for somebody else's campaign um because it was a former person it person formerly worked on the Platiner campaign. They moved on to work to someone else's campaign. And after that information got leaked, they were immediately fired from the person's campaign that they're working on now because they go, you're a low trust individual and we want nothing to do with you on our campaign. Like if you're being trusted with this kind of information and you're going leak it,
00:43:04
Speaker
then you're burnt. No one wants you. You're done for. Nobody wants you in this industry, in this world. Like you, your only credibility is your ability to keep a secret from a campaign that you worked on, knowing that campaigns don't last forever.
00:43:20
Speaker
If your job is to listen to all the potential problems with somebody's campaign and then go, we'll talk about this. We'll deal with this like that. We'll do this one that way. And then you leak that shit. As soon as you're out, no wait you're going to be fucking blacklisted so fast. Um,
00:43:39
Speaker
uh, Plattner's wife put out, uh, something on Instagram about it. Uh, just being like, this is bullshit. Like I put, I put this out there in order to help. Uh, this happened before he was running. I put this out there to help protect ourselves from this type of shit.
00:43:55
Speaker
When he decided to run, And it's just, dude, the fucking machine is trying to eat this guy. And Susan Collins is still getting her fucking titties slapped across the ring. It doesn't matter. Every poll, every poll, she is getting the shit kicked out of her by Graham Platt. Isn't it like if she if she was to win, she would be like the oldest freshman senator yes history in US history?
00:44:22
Speaker
Yep. That sounds like the perfect person to like oversee AI legislation. Yeah. It's just like, why would anybody want that at this? I don't. Yeah. And it's because they're sinking millions in a campaign against platinum because he's anti this fucking AI machine. He's pro Medicare for all. He's anti-war. He's like, he's all the things you want. And what's crazy is like, like I've said this before and then we'll move on because why stay on this much longer, it's like my dad still thinks he's a Republican.
00:44:56
Speaker
And I'm like, i I reiterate Graham Plattner's talking points. and He's like, that sounds great. I'm like, welcome aboard. Welcome aboard. Pete, this is what people want. This is why he swayed almost all of Maine because everyone who's identified as a Republican is like, how do we get to a point where the Republicans are just pro-rape and pro-Epstein class and like pro-AI and all the things that we thought that they were like,
00:45:23
Speaker
they They haven't been for a very long time. But when you talk, when you think of Republicans, you think that they, you really, they just want to go to work and not pay all government taxes. Fiscal responsibility. Right. And that's where the Republican party is so far past that. And anyone who still thinks that they're not like that, they're not that it's like, I just feel, I mean, you're mostly old. You're mostly ancient at this point because,
00:45:50
Speaker
that The recent polling on like people who identify as you know orre Republican, what they're like it's getting bad. Every poll is looking worse and worse for Republicans, but I don't want to get my hopes up too high.
Exploration of Fandoms and Morality
00:46:05
Speaker
um But let's shift. Let's shift. Let's shift because I have something. i have pressing matters, and this is a ah quick one, but I did find someone looking for advice. on the internet as we like to do. And it's not your typical dating advice. It's not even technically dating advice. It's definitely sort of within the realm of Christianity um in particular proclivities that you may have that you're trying to sort through with a well-meaning, loving community like those on Reddit. But yeah,
00:46:41
Speaker
This person is wondering, is it a sin to be a furry? right. Well, this this is one where I'm going to probably actually side with the ah puritanical theology bros.
00:46:54
Speaker
You believe it is a sin? I think so. I think it's a sin against nature. if But not the father. Baby. it's It's a sin to be a baby fur.
00:47:07
Speaker
But the only sin, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Do you believe it's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Hmm. I don't know. Well, i'm I'm open to insight, I guess. Okay. I'm ready to hear some compelling doctrine.
00:47:25
Speaker
Well, Anxious Puppet wants to know, whatever furries really do, i don't want to exactly be a furry. The type of furries I'm talking about is one engage in furry related streams or events online to not dress like animals or wish slash act like one already getting away from furries.
00:47:48
Speaker
Yeah. Three always address myself like a human being, not an animal for show interest in their art. So she likes the big dripping hogs on the wolves. That's what she likes.
00:48:03
Speaker
I think this is a woman. So she does want to show interest in the art or she does not. She wants to show interest in the art. okay Okay. Probably depending on the art, because if it's a big pointy cat penis going into another animal, she might not like that.
00:48:23
Speaker
But if it's just like a buff wolf, both a buff humanoid wolf. Which it always is. It always is. They do like cow ladies, though.
00:48:35
Speaker
They like a sexualized cow woman. Yeah. ah Five, not turn it into a full personality. And six, no sexual stuff like showing skin.
00:48:51
Speaker
Okay, you mean fur. Let's go. I mean, this person's a series. Yeah. Like showing skin or exposing private body parts. have you These people are pathetic. Have you ever seen a wolf in the wild? Have you ever seen an animal? They don't wear clothes, okay?
00:49:10
Speaker
They don't wear clothes. It's not private if you're an animal. Nope. just just Just big, dripping rockets. They're not, although I guess she doesn't want to fully identify or act like an animal. So I see, I see the problem. um A little bit of clarification. um I want to also add a note. Being a furry is different from being under the LGBTQ plus umbrella, which I find typically wrong as it interferes with gender, which God warned us about multiple times.
00:49:43
Speaker
Did he? While being a furry is only showing interest in furry animals. This person's an idiot. I just don't know. Like, what are we even talking about at this point? Like, what?
00:49:54
Speaker
This person is not. You want to watch furry streams? Is that what you're saying? Like, what is a furry stream? This she wants to do. She just wants to wear cat ears and play overwatch. That's all she wants to do.
00:50:07
Speaker
Yeah. And as far as I know, that's not immoral. It's just distasteful.
00:50:14
Speaker
but being a furry is different from being under the L it's not LGBTQ F plus. It's just like, what is she? What is this?
00:50:25
Speaker
I don't know, dude. I just, which I typically find is wrong. She typically finds lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transsexuals, and queers as typically wrong as it interferes with gender.
00:50:42
Speaker
I think only only two of those interfere with gender. We're really like really out in the woods in terms of like ah you know like evangelical rules for for governing parts of your life.
00:51:00
Speaker
I feel like this person world is there in the Bible about gender and whatnot. Like, but is there isn't there like some sort of a ah thing about like cutting your hair if you're a man? don't know. Telling all the dudes who wore dresses in the Bible. when you When you say, parentheses, which God warned us of, which God warned us from multiple times, it's like, I don't take you seriously. You don't know. You don't even know what you're saying. You're literally just saying a thing that you think is true based on something somebody told you once. That's what the purpose is.
00:51:36
Speaker
That's just like a – you're just trying to like – let people know that you're in the club is what you're doing with that. When God says the thing about that somewhere, you don't know you're talking about.
00:51:50
Speaker
You just want to sound like you just want to make the people that you're speaking to believe that you're one of them. It's not about truth. um Plus I already put six rules for myself and,
00:52:04
Speaker
So I'd like the person who replies to already be aware of these six rules. Thanks for your time. I really have doubts if this is a sin or not. ah Carnita7211, who's a Christian, says, ah Though how you are stating to choose to engage is not sinful, the furry community is full of various types of sinful behaviors.
00:52:29
Speaker
So my question to you is, It causing you to feel convicted even when these rules you have applied? is it Is there a possibility that it can lead you to sin, whether intentionally or unintentionally?
00:52:41
Speaker
If you are not feeling convicted, then continue to pray on it. If you are feeling convicted, then that's the Holy Spirit letting you know to stay away from it completely.
00:52:53
Speaker
So basically, if you have any sort of reservation about it whatsoever, because it's been drilled into you that like this, this, this and this are are bad for yeah for whatever reason. Yep. You're following the Holy Spirit telling you that it's wrong.
00:53:08
Speaker
Right, but if you're not convicted, then you need to keep praying about it. Because if you're not convicted, it's not the Holy Spirit telling you it's okay. Like, why follow that train of life? Like, why follow a logical pattern in any way? Like, just assume that if you're fine with it, to keep praying and never come to a conclusion or get to an actual answer. And always consider the possibility that you might have fucked up your future soul.
00:53:33
Speaker
But if you feel a slight level of uncomfort... The irony of this guy also being like, ah so if it's causing you to feel convicted, even with these rules, is there a possibility can lead is there a possibility can lead you to sin? i get a i got bad news for you, Carnita7211.
00:53:52
Speaker
You're not allowed to spend time with the opposite sex any anymore.
00:53:58
Speaker
Because it might lead you to sin, intentionally or unintentionally. And that would be a huge problem. I really want to, I need to make a burner account for Reddit and just go on there and ask things like, genuinely curious, is it a shame to wear diapers?
00:54:16
Speaker
yeah I know that if it was sexualized, that would be wrong. But what if you just find it comforting? i ah Libby Draws says, this is a very great answer.
00:54:29
Speaker
And then Anxious Puppet says, this comment helped a lot. That's OP, by the way. OP says, this comment helped a lot. And Carnitas7211 says, I'm glad you found it helpful.
00:54:40
Speaker
The Holy Spirit will always steer you in the right direction. God bless you. Oh, dude, all of these people say the same sorts of things about stuff like that, where they're like, like, give it up to God and let him lead you truly surrender to him. And it's like, OK, what does that mean?
00:54:58
Speaker
Like, it's just it's just all like gobbledygook. It's just whatever you feel like today. That's what the Holy Spirit wants out of you. Yeah, and that's led bad people in some really bad directions in the past.
00:55:11
Speaker
Well, Super Isaiah Super Isaiah says ah fandom in general. Well, humanity in general with normal interest like sports, there's all sorts of idolatry and alcoholism in the culture associated alcoholism. There is no interest or community that doesn't have a dark side.
00:55:34
Speaker
And Carnita, who is very active here, says exactly, which is why I asked whether exactly, exactly. I'm on the right side of everything all the time. Exactly. Which is why i asked whether they were feeling convicted in participating regardless of the rules they implemented for themselves.
00:55:53
Speaker
Super Isaiah says, should note, I wasn't disagreeing. I was just expanding on it. You didn't expand anything. You did. These people just like to blow each other up publicly online. It's crazy.
00:56:05
Speaker
thisty Coffee donut says, if you place your identity in anything other than Jesus Christ, it's a sin. These fucking idiots, dude. That's her. That's the person's entire thing is like, I don't want to do that.
00:56:19
Speaker
ah Yeah. Yeah. Like they these people, this is like talking. This is like talking to a parent who doesn't listen to you. I had one that I came across this week that I thought was kind of funny because it just made a whole bunch of them blow up and get on their soapbox.
00:56:33
Speaker
It says how to deal with new abstinence with partner. New abstinence. So they're just cutting it. They were having sex and now they're trying to cut it off. Pretty much.
00:56:44
Speaker
So I have 24 male known this woman, 25 female for years. And we finally started dating about seven to eight months ago. She has two children from another relationship and we have one on the way.
00:56:56
Speaker
I know it's silly to be like knowing that sex before marriage is wrong, but still do it. But we didn't really understand it at the beginning because we'd been married previously and didn't know the difference.
Relationship Dynamics and Religious Expectations
00:57:08
Speaker
So it was like, oh boy, there's a lot of things in there. They're going to freak out about it. We didn't understand it in the beginning seven months ago. So we dove into scripture and figured out that it's still wrong. So we decided to stop doing it. Only thing is that it's hard.
00:57:26
Speaker
I mean, it is this this sentence it's like has it has not been for a while. See, you have to you have to tell me if this is a ah valid ah thought process here, because this one i this would caught my attention. He says, I mean, firstly, she's pregnant with my child, and to most men, that makes a woman entirely irresistible.
00:57:47
Speaker
is that um Is being pregnant make... Does it get your dander up? I feel like this guy... yeah How up is When your wife's pregnant.
00:57:59
Speaker
How much what? I said, how up is your dander when you're when your wife's pregnant? Not often when she goes to bed at 7.30 p.m. I mean... Your fancy is untickled?
00:58:11
Speaker
it's It's not... I would say... Okay, you're you're putting me in a weird spot here. But I'm going to be honest. I would say it's not more or less fancied. It's um or more or less tickled.
00:58:24
Speaker
It's just like you just have to do things a little differently. It's about what angles you don't want to poke your baby. It's just, yeah, that's part of it. It's different angles. Uh, but that's more like based on how pregnant you are, how far along there. Like you're not really laying on your back.
00:58:45
Speaker
Like when you're eight months pregnant, uh, that's just not physically a comfortable thing for anyone. Uh, but you're just also, it yeah, yeah.
00:58:58
Speaker
what are we doing here? I don't know. Why am i engaging with you? I don't know. I'm actually mad at you you. You put me in a weird spot and you didn't say anything. So I kept talking and, uh, I'm not going to make you edit anything out, but I, you are making me feel weird and I'm trying to find a way to like round this out.
00:59:15
Speaker
Uh, I would say ah equally horny throughout the whole thing, uh, for this guy to be getting like, more into it for, I would say either it's one, he's not actually more in into it and he just stopped having sex.
00:59:30
Speaker
Um, but let's be clear. If they're pregnant with your kid, what are you even doing with this absence? Bullshit. Like, I don't know. i don't know. It's like, what do I even ask? Crazy. Yeah.
00:59:42
Speaker
I got her pregnant and now we're doing abstinence. No, you did the thing that was potentially like, that's all anyone's ever worried about. You think we went to Liberty, dude. You know, Christian guy was like ever felt as bad about sex as they did about the fact that everyone would know about it if their girlfriend got pregnant. That was what we were worried about getting caught that that that we were just convinced. if We didn't know enough about sex education. We were just convinced if we had sex, they would get pregnant and then we would have to be like, oh yeah, I did that.
01:00:18
Speaker
And then feel weird. That was it. I guess, I guess part of what they didn't understand also like seven months ago was birth control. Cause that would have probably solved a lot of this issue if they would, uh, maybe just use the condom or something.
01:00:32
Speaker
Yeah. So ah to most men, that makes a woman entirely irresistible. And she pretty much finds me drop dead handsome or whatever the male alternative to gorgeous is. So it's hard for both of us. You can say gorgeous. That's how much I know I hate this person. He thinks it's gay to say gorgeous.
01:00:51
Speaker
And he thinks he's more of a man because he likes pregnant ladies. Ever so often, we almost do it because the mental togetherness is already there, and we aren't married yet because of stuff with her ex.
01:01:02
Speaker
ah Not that we would simply get married to have sex. Did you did you take a paternity test? So it's not like getting married at the moment is an option. Also sleeping in like separate rooms isn't an option either because we have four bedrooms and two are occupied by the kids. We have our room and then we have an office that's got no room for a bed in it.
01:01:22
Speaker
Oh my God. This is so dumb. The most we do is kiss, and even that nearly sets off a chain reaction in me at least. Any tips from you guys? Because I want to do this right, and I know she does too. I pray for strength, but I also know that God sent me this woman because of these circumstances.
01:01:40
Speaker
This is why people are – I pray for strength, but I also know that God sent me this woman. If God sent you this woman, then it's written that it's already formed from the foundations of the world that you guys are going to be together. It's fine like – oh, my God. Dude, this is – what's killing me about this one is we've talked about this plenty where the biggest the biggest issue like for us, right? We, we, we were good Christian boys who, who abstained from yeah the temptation of illicit sexual practices prior to marriage.
01:02:18
Speaker
um And so like, You get married, you start having sex, and you go, why the fuck didn't I do this sooner?
01:02:29
Speaker
Like, nothing... This is fun. Like, nothing bad is... that This is just a thing you do. Yeah. You feel more connected. Like... i It was just it's goofy to not have done it. And you realize how not but how it's like it's a big deal in that you're doing it now. And it's a big deal in that it does. It's ah a fact that like you can it can intensify a connection with a human being. But there's also just that part of you that just knows that it's a biological impulse. And you're like, it makes no sense that we weren't doing this before.
01:03:04
Speaker
Like no, no veil was lifted. no magic, deep magic reveals. Right. right Right. So that being said, even if even in my evangelical days, if I was talking to this person for my most evangelical days, if I was married and then a few years into that marriage, my wife died, I would absolutely not abstain from sex going forward for the rest of my life. Like there'd just be no point in doing that. Don't you think that God wouldn't probably bless your next marriage? He might kill your next wife too. yeah like That's a good point. Uh, and the superstition might ring, like might just like overtake you. Uh,
01:03:48
Speaker
So, you know, bags, she leaves me. She could have just been like, you know, I thought I wanted to do this. Turns out we were too young and I'm done. And then I go, okay, fuck a huge problem for me.
01:04:01
Speaker
And maybe the sin is like, I, I don't, I, I didn't have pre-marital sex. We cannot blame the sin of pre-marital sex and my wife leaving me. We can't blame it on a lot.
01:04:12
Speaker
So, Uh, then i would just be like, I'm doing this again. Like, there's no reason to not do this because it's fine. You do it and it's fine. The thing that makes you not do it is like that scary. I haven't done it yet thing. And I'm afraid that something awful is going to happen if I do it. It's like a superstitious idea around it. So yeah, anyway, That's this guy's problem. But he's been married before, and so is she. And they're like doing this weird song and dance where they live together because of the kids, but they just Brady-bunch it in separate beds? Are they Brady-bunching it?
01:04:46
Speaker
There's no chance that they abstain at all. Because, I mean, even like this guy's like, that's just excuses. You can get an air mattress or throw something small on the floor if you really wanted to. Same with sleeping in the office.
01:04:58
Speaker
Or get some premarital counseling and then get married. The guy responds, we just bought beds. I mean, yeah, it's an excuse for some people, but I'm not spending money on something temporary when I don't really have to. I said it's hard it's hard not that I can't do it, but we're getting counseling for sure. I've just...
01:05:16
Speaker
It's just my human nature working against my convictions. Nothing we have currently will fit into the office, and I mean that literally. It's like, why why even post? It's like like this is rage baited almost, you know? yeah But then at some point, somebody somebody goes, ah he says something about um like the divorce finalizing, basically.
01:05:37
Speaker
And a guy goes, wait, what? So you've committed adultery by sleeping with this other woman and living while living with her while she's still married to someone else.
01:05:47
Speaker
Is this an actual biblical divorce like your other wife cheated or something? And he says, people are idiots. My other wife. He goes, you just said you were still married to someone because you're waiting till the divorce finalizes to propose. That means you're currently in an adulterous relationship.
01:06:05
Speaker
He says, I'm not married, but she's the married one. And it's not adulterous because there is a divorce going on. It's not infidelity, nor was it beforehand. The divorce just wasn't finalized when we got together.
01:06:18
Speaker
Then the guy says, yes, it is both adulterous and infidelity. If you don't take my word for it, make a post over at r slash true Christian and they will tell you the same thing. And then it just goes back and forth and back and forth. it's like You know what I hate about these people? What I hate, the guy who responds, it is infillate. What I hate, I hate vitriols just dripping from my lips for people like this, is the divorce. You're talking about the government-sanctioned marriage? Yeah, is it the paperwork that God cares about? Because last I knew, people who talk like you don't... you don't need a piece of paper to tell you that you're married in God's eyes. Like these people are the most inconsistent two face fucking pieces of shit you can find on the internet.
01:07:02
Speaker
I bet if you click on that guy's like profile, you're just going to find a bunch of inconsistent and stupid comments across all the R slash Christian pages. Yeah. Nobody, nobody is staying in a marriage that they absolutely despise and want to get out of because they're like, well, I don't have a biblical reason to divorce her.
01:07:21
Speaker
And you've both agreed we're getting divorced. We filed for divorce. We're going through the legal process of divorce and we don't love each other and we're not together and we're going to move on with our lives. When the legal paperwork catches up, that'll be really helpful.
01:07:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's God can't bless your new relationship until you sort out the alimony yeah you know from the last one. And she better be getting some child support because she got the kids and this guy can't sleep in an office for much longer.
01:07:53
Speaker
Okay,
Critique of the Book of Mormon
01:07:54
Speaker
so we're jumping into a new segment here, and i want to I want to give you an idea of how we arrived at this point. um And it came to pass that I didst Google best stories the Book of Mormon.
01:08:09
Speaker
And it came to pass that I stumbled upon a Reddit post of a person asking the same thing. m And it came to pass... that one of the posters brought up a specific story to which another poster said, i wanted to name, to make my son's middle name after this particular character.
01:08:32
Speaker
And you will never in a million years guess what the person's name is. The hero from the book of... LAUGHTER yeah
01:08:43
Speaker
No, that is a good guess. though
01:08:49
Speaker
The hero from the Book of Mormon, one of several that we can we will discuss in this package or passage, his name is ah Teen Come.
01:09:05
Speaker
you but but
01:09:17
Speaker
who ah it's
01:09:26
Speaker
it's probably they probably pronounce it t-an-cum or something stupid but holy shit it's t t-e-a-n c-u-m
01:09:45
Speaker
Why? this ah This takes place in the Book of Alma, which we read some stuff from and then we skipped the rest because it was really boring.
01:09:59
Speaker
Little did I know that this wonderful tale was in here. and this is a lot of a This is a story of conquest and war and a lot of like ah battlefront stratagem you know by the ah the heroes of the Nephites.
01:10:17
Speaker
um So as I was reading some of this, I was i looked up a map of ah you know like a proposed map of the Book of Mormon's geographic areas.
01:10:29
Speaker
If you Googled map of teen cum, you might need to... Not open your door for whoever comes knocking next. Yeah, that would ah that would probably trigger some sort of FBI thing.
01:10:42
Speaker
But it might be Cash Patel asking you for some.
01:10:48
Speaker
Dude, the map is so funny. like It's so funny to see these names like pop up in the story and then realize like what they're talking about. because like they'll keep They'll keep mentioning like ah the the the land of that of Bountiful.
01:11:05
Speaker
And that's basically like Ohio. you know That's usually how people think of Ohio. Michigan is labeled land of desolation for some reason.
01:11:19
Speaker
I don't know why, but yeah. And then, ah you know, there's talk about like the East Sea to the West Sea. And apparently the West Sea is the missisip Mississippi River.
01:11:29
Speaker
I don't know. The Mississippi and Ohio River. They obviously were making it up. ah Yeah. Oh, let's just call it a sea, and then people will think that like that they just didn't know. it's like People knew difference between seas and rivers back then.
01:11:42
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if what they're if they're suggesting that for some reason like that area was flooded or something like that. It looks like they're trying to make that argument on the map. ah You probably can't see this from here, but like the lower portion of the Mississippi River they show is being like really wide, as if it was like all flooded out.
01:12:02
Speaker
so I don't know how they... ah They justify some of this stuff. It is funny. They have New Jerusalem is a city on this map, and it's like St. Joseph, Missouri. were Nice. If that's the promised land, you can have it.
01:12:17
Speaker
yeah But yeah, so we're jumping into Alma and ah we're starting out in Chapter 50. And some of this I'm going to kind of skim through a little bit because it is somewhat redundant.
01:12:30
Speaker
ah But We're talking about the the guy named Moroni, you know, who is supposedly the angel that appeared to Joseph Smith, right? But he's just a guy in this story.
01:12:43
Speaker
And now it came to pass that Moroni did not stop making preparations for war or to defend his people against the Lamanites, for he caused that his armies should commence in the in the commencement of the 20th year of the reign of the judges, that they should commence in digging up heaps of earth round about all the cities throughout all the land which was possessed by the Nephites.
01:13:05
Speaker
Commence in the commencement? he Yeah. Of which they will commence? is that like it said it three times? Yeah, I think so. It's it's pretty much, ah that's sort of the roadmap for the rest of this. Hey, chat GPT, I need 30 more words before I hit the word count for my capstone project.
01:13:28
Speaker
And upon the top of these ridges of earth, he caused that there should be timbers. On the top of these ridges of earth. No one talks like that. Nowhere in the Bible, nowhere anywhere has anyone ever spoken like that. The wording is just so dumb.
01:13:44
Speaker
And upon the top of these ridges of earth, he caused that there should be timbers. Yay. Works of timbers built up to the height of a man round about the cities.
01:13:57
Speaker
And so basically he's just putting up fortifications and like wooden barriers around these cities and stuff, which you would think there would be an archeological record of all of this. That's another thing that struck me as I was reading yeah through some of this stuff is like how many people it would take to populate all the little twists and turns of this story and how there's just nothing as far as evidence goes to show that any of these people existed.
01:14:25
Speaker
Right, and this is a time where people weren't thinking about archaeological evidence for past societies the same way they do now, so maybe he just thought he'd get away with it by lying.
01:14:37
Speaker
Right. So, ah basically, he's making preparations to defend these cities and building out their military and all that stuff. When you read this, you read it and you go, this is...
01:14:51
Speaker
wild that someone would go through these extreme lengths to tell a lie. But when you think about how much he didn't think he'd be checked on any of this shit, it actually makes you shocked that more people didn't do this.
01:15:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's we don't we don't have more wild religions popping up throughout history is kind of fascinating that there's that level of reverence for the fact that like the original version of it probably is true and you might get killed if you fuck with it.
01:15:24
Speaker
ah Yeah, theres there's a few, you know, he who hath to begun a good work in Joseph Smith did finish it in L. Ron Hubbard. yeah One prolific man to another.
01:15:38
Speaker
um So, and it came to pass that Moroni caused that his armies should go forth into the East wilderness, which, mind you, is like Tennessee. The East wilderness is Tennessee?
01:15:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, it's basically Tennessee and the Carolinas, Georgia, all that stuff, Virginia, all that is like the Eastern wilderness. Hmm.
01:16:02
Speaker
Okay. And they drove the Lamanites who were in the east wilderness into their own lands, which were south of the land of Zarahemla. And Zarahemla, let's just see. you Where's Zarahemla?
01:16:14
Speaker
So I don't, the East wilderness is like all this stuff South and it's like the Southeast of the United States. But for some reason, the area South of Zarahemla where they drove the Lamanites is like a Kansas, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana.
01:16:31
Speaker
None of it makes any sense. Still doesn't have to. They probably didn't have a great grasp on you. I mean, You're reading this, and I would just go, hmm, okay. So maybe, because I don't have a good grasp on geography, maybe he expected that everybody was as illiterate and stupid, geographically speaking, as as myself.
01:16:52
Speaker
it says that, and the land of Nephi did run in a straight course from the East Sea to the West, which, mind you, is the Atlantic Ocean to the Missouri River. Big territory.
01:17:04
Speaker
Think about how many people it would take to conquer like that much territory. And what were they conquering? I mean, what what were they conquering? It wasn't like established like cities. He thinks there was. I mean, yeah.
01:17:18
Speaker
and what like But why did it turn into something different? Did they all get leveled at some point? like this doesn't doesn't It's weird to go to bat for there being these established cities and then have... like that it does It doesn't make sense. Yeah. well and then they But it's just like the absurdity of the whole thing is like...
01:17:37
Speaker
He talks about how they drove out the Lamanites and they set up fortifications and stuff like that. And basically, like through strategic fortifications, they got rid of all of the Lamanite strongholds and occupied the territory. As they do, as they always do. Taking territory and actually occupying and governing it are two different things as well. But anyways, so blah, blah, blah, conquest and whatnot. Anyone who played King of the Hill knows that.
01:18:11
Speaker
i played King of the Hill and and ah in Perfect Dark for n sixty four Oh yeah, that was fun. And you know that just because you took land doesn't mean you own it or manage it.
01:18:25
Speaker
So basically, they keep taking land and stuff like that, and he kind of pushes people outward to occupy that land and whatnot. um And then people get mad, and they want to take it, and this and that and the other. um So... Kill us all this time.
01:18:40
Speaker
Now behold, the people who were in the land bountiful, or rather Moroni, feared that they would hearken to the words of the Moroni. Morianton of Morianton and unite with his people, and thus he would obtain possession of those parts of the land, which would lay a foundation for serious consequences among the people of Nephi, yea, which consequences would lead to the overthrow of their liberty.
01:19:03
Speaker
Liberty is another word that pops up a lot in these sections that is funny given the context of like ah the conquest and stuff that they're talking about. Therefore, Moroni sent an army with their camp to head the people of Morianton to stop their flight into the land northward. And it came to pass that they did not heed the heed them until they had come to the borders of the land Desolation, which is Michigan, mind you.
01:19:29
Speaker
And there they did head them. And by the narrow pass, which led by the sea into the land northward, yay, by the sea on the west and on the east. Again, none of it makes any sense geographically.
01:19:43
Speaker
And it came to pass that the army, which was sent by Moroni, which was led by a man whose name was, drumroll, Teen Come. Teen Come! did meet the people of Morianton.
01:19:56
Speaker
And so stubborn were the people of Morianton, being inspired by his wickedness and his flattering words, that a battle commenced between them, in which Tinkum did slay Morianton and defeat his army and took them prisoners and returned to the camp of Moroni.
01:20:13
Speaker
And thus ended he did the twenty and fourth year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi. And thus were the people of Morianton brought back and upon their covenanting to keep the peace where they restored to the land of Morianton. And a union took place between them and the people of Lehi, and they were also restored to their lands. So he just forgave everybody and gave them back their land after they rebelled.
01:20:40
Speaker
That's not something that ever happens in conquest. No, not typically. So blah, blah, blah, people, peace and freedom and this and that and the other. So let's skip to chapter 51 here because this is where there's some interesting themes.
01:20:55
Speaker
And now it came to pass in the commencement of the 20 and 5th year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi, they having established peace between the people of Lehi and the people of Morianton concerning their lands and having commenced the 20 and 5th year. God, it's so redundant.
01:21:11
Speaker
Nevertheless, they did not long maintain an entire peace in the land, for there began to be a contention among the people concerning the chief judge para port Pahoran. pahoran For behold, there were a part of the people who desired that a few particular points of the law should be altered.
01:21:29
Speaker
But behold, Pahoran would not alter nor suffer the law to be altered. Therefore, he did not hearken to those who had sent in their voices with their petitions concerning the altering of the law.
01:21:43
Speaker
So few people who were kind of loyal to the old regime want some pieces of the law changed, and Pahoran doesn't want to do it. Therefore, those who were desirous that the law should be altered were angry with him and desired that he should no longer be chief judge over the land. Therefore, there arose a warm dispute concerning the matter and not unto bloodshed. So I guess maybe they just hit each other with sticks or something.
01:22:08
Speaker
said Apparently they kill each other, but they like ah gave each other pink bellies or what, whatever. just, it's like the ah two kids in diapers from um F is for Family that just shit in the woods and hit each other with stuff.
01:22:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:22:27
Speaker
ah And it came to pass that those who were desirous that Pahoran should be dethroned from the judgment seat were called kingsmen, for they were desirous that the law should be altered in a manner to overthrow the free government and to establish a king over the land.
01:22:43
Speaker
And those free government, dude, that's all. That's such like a USA dog whistle bullshit. Like this clearly is written by an American citizen. Dude, it gets so much thicker.
01:22:54
Speaker
yeah We love freedom here. And those who were desirous that Pahoran should remain chief judge over the land took upon them the name of free men.
01:23:06
Speaker
And thus was the division among them. For the free men had sworn or covenanted to maintain their rights and the privileges of their religion by a free government. I had no idea that ah Morgan's lineage was that of Mormonism.
01:23:26
Speaker
That just makes me want to read the rest in his voice. And it came to pass that this matter of their contention was settled by the voice of the people. Andy Dufresne.
01:23:37
Speaker
Poor Andy. Poor Pahoran. ah And it came to pass that the voice of the people came in favor of the freemen, and Pahoran set or retained the judgment seat, which caused much rejoicing among the brethren of Pahoran and also many of the people of liberty, who also... Pahoran.
01:23:57
Speaker
I be whoring. There's so many like goofy ah double entendre names in this thing. Who also put the Kingsmen to silence, that they were dirtt that they durst not oppose, but be but were obliged to maintain the cause of freedom.
01:24:14
Speaker
Now those who were... that Dude, this just turned into a like a fucking Aaron Lewis song.
01:24:22
Speaker
It's like one side wants the rule of this one guy over all the people. The other side wants the rule of another guy over all the people. But one side is for the cause of liberty and freedom, and the other side is bad.
01:24:37
Speaker
Yeah, one song is Aaron Lewis wanting to take his country back. The other side is the Dixie Chicks criticizing George Bush going into a war with Iraq. Yeah, throw him out.
01:24:47
Speaker
Run him into the East Sea. Now, those who were in favor of kings were those of high birth and that sought to be kings, and they were supported by those who sought power and authority over the people. What does what does high birth mean?
01:25:03
Speaker
No clue. That's a great question. What does that even and mean in this context? They're like kings having so many kids that all want to be king. Did they have more beaver pelts than everybody else?
01:25:15
Speaker
like i don't like How are we even measuring high birth at this point? just It's just mom getting lit as fuck before she gives birth to kids. That's what they're talking about. Did they have powdered wigs yet at this point, or was that like later America? Must have been later.
01:25:34
Speaker
But behold, this was a critical time for such contentions to be among the people of Nephi. For behold, another cool name, I'm a lick ya. hate
01:25:46
Speaker
it. Spell it, spell it. A-M-A-L-I-C-K-I-A-H. I'm a lick ya. Now, some might dispute that that pronunciation, but they're stupid and they're going to hell.
01:26:02
Speaker
I'm a lick ya. I'm going to lick you. I'm going to do it. He had again stirred up the hearts of the people of the Lamanites against the people of the Nephites. And he was gathering together soldiers from all parts of his land and arming them and preparing for war with all diligence. For he had sworn to drink the blood of Moroni.
01:26:22
Speaker
Lick the blood of Moroni. I think we can only conclude at this point that, like, I don't know why didn't come come to this conclusion beforehand, but the Lamanites are Muslims. Didn't team come to this conclusion?
01:26:37
Speaker
I think that's the only way to read this, though, is like somehow somewhere along the line, the Lamanites became Muslims. And so it's OK to inflict all manner of violence against them.
01:26:50
Speaker
I'm a lick you, teen cum.
01:26:55
Speaker
But behold, we shall see that his promise which was made was rash. Nevertheless, he did prepare himself and his armies to come to battle against the Nephites. Now his armies were not so great that they had thitherto that they had hitherto been, because of the many thousands who had been slain by the hand of the Nephites. But notwithstanding their great loss, Amalekia had gathered together a wonderfully great army, insomuch that he feared not to come down to the land of Zarahemla.
01:27:25
Speaker
Ohio. Ohio. It's crazy. to you it's crazy to listen to this. And then here were here's like places you actually know. so And then behold, there was a great host assembled at Cleveland. Yeah.
01:27:46
Speaker
Yay, even Amalekia did himself come down at the head of the Lamanites, and it was in the 20th and 5th year of the reign of the judges, and it was the same time that they had begun to settle the affairs of their contentions concerning the chief judge, Pahoran.
01:28:01
Speaker
Interesting word...
01:28:04
Speaker
had heard that the lamanites were coming down to battle against them they were glad in their hearts and they refused to take up arms for they were so wroth with the chief judge and also with the people of liberty interesting word That they would not take up arms to defend their country.
01:28:21
Speaker
So basically, like their representative government turned out to not be very representative of their interests. So they were like, well, we're not going to fight and die for this country that, you know, imposed its will upon us.
01:28:34
Speaker
does dude Does this book intersect with the founding of the ah Major League Baseball Association or whatever? I feel like we're creeping up on that, you know?
01:28:44
Speaker
Something. so There's something something happening in the future, maybe like WrestleMania 1 or something. Yeah, what year are we what year are we looking at here? Oh, God. Oh, this is 67 to 66 BC is this chapter.
01:29:00
Speaker
BC, what the? And they're talking about freedom and liberty? Yep. Oh my God. These these are, ah you know, America's central ideas. They're they're in the soil, dude.
01:29:12
Speaker
It's in the soil. This is the worst propaganda. And it came to pass that when Moroni saw this and also saw that the Lamanites were coming into the borders of the land, he was exceedingly wroth because of their stubbornness of those people whom he had labored with so much diligence to preserve.
01:29:32
Speaker
Yea, was exceedingly wroth. His soul was filled with anger against them. So wroth. Do we get to hear how he felt about seeing Teen come? Oh, I think so. I think eventually, yes.
01:29:44
Speaker
Not so wroth. Maybe more froth. Yeah, dude. More frothy, less frothy.
01:29:53
Speaker
And it came to pass that he sent a petition with the voice of the people. Petition? What are we doing? This is 67 BC. There's no petitions. You're just clanging rocks together. Sending a petition is just asking yourself to be fucking executed by your tyrannical government.
01:30:12
Speaker
It's so dumb. Yeah. ah by the voice of the people unto the governor of the land, desiring that he should read it and give him Moroni. read our People weren't reading like that in 67 beats. Everyone's just fucking literate, dude.
01:30:27
Speaker
Yeah, and the you know, the SAT scores in 67 BC were much higher in America than they were Israel. because of American freedom and liberty brought to you by their very soil.
01:30:42
Speaker
ah Power to compel those dissenters to defend their country or put them to death. So basically, like... Oh, you didn't get your way. You don't get to govern yourselves in the way that you want to. So you don't want to fight. No, you're either going to sit on the front lines or we're going to put you to death. You're dying either way for freedom.
01:31:01
Speaker
they did This sounds this. I feel like we're like slowly creeping back into a similar mentality here. Yeah, it's coming. It's definitely heading in that direction.
01:31:12
Speaker
This is what my kids are going to hear about the Iran war. the You're going to die on the front line and you're going to like it. It's, It's going to drag on until they're 18, and then this is going to be their experience with it. They're going to stand in a line in front of an Iranian artillery barrage, and instead of a little drummer boy just kind of like tapping it out on ah on a snare, it's going to just have Toby Keith like playing the Angry American. You just watch like compilations of limbs blowing off.
01:31:44
Speaker
It'll all be worth it if they don't have enriched uranium, you know? That's first and foremost. They cannot have a nuclear weapon. They cannot. They cannot. They have not. They will not. But we keep talking about how we stopped it.
01:31:57
Speaker
Yeah. Over and over and over and over. David Rubin said some dumb shit about that. and the We don't have to hark back. We don't have to hark back. Just go watch it. It's goofy. It's so bad. It's so bad.
01:32:09
Speaker
Yeah. Who knew he sucked so bad? I mean, most people, lots of people knew.
Media Personalities and Satirical Commentary
01:32:15
Speaker
Look, if you're just gay and just trying to be a talking head or a person of relevance in the Republican Party, stop.
01:32:24
Speaker
They don't want you. it's not If you want a grift, say leftist shit and make your money on our side. like I don't need you to be authentic. I just need you to bring votes, baby. like Just...
01:32:37
Speaker
why pick your but Why pick that team? like How much do you hate yourself? There's not as much competition. It's that they hate themselves. They believe in nothing. It doesn't matter. they don't have they believes nothing believe and they believed in if they believed in nothing, they would ride the the right wing wave and then they would be like, I saw the light. And then they'd try to ride that grift into the sunset.
01:33:02
Speaker
But they don't. There's always time to do it. it's But they they they don't hit the stride right. All these people just go belly up. I mean, they like people like this. i mean, he's Milo had the perfect opportunity for plenty of time.
01:33:19
Speaker
He didn't do anything. Milo's doing good work these days. Yeah. He's burning everybody from the inside. from the we we like milo where he's at milo is just it yeah i mean it you get a lot of inside information when you're couch surfing other republican talking heads couches like our houses on uh just what is being homeless just sleeping on their couch asking them for drugs i mean what's milo doing really
01:33:51
Speaker
All I want from Milo is stories about how Benny Johnson was banging ah gay prostitutes while his wife cried in the lobby at CPAC. Yeah, but Candace is trying to bury him, though. Candace isn't going to allow him.
01:34:06
Speaker
Candace should pick her battles. Okay. Milo's like a cockroach. he he can't be ah He can't be poisoned or obliterated. He'll cry ah crawl out of the rubble after the nuclear holocaust that's probably call somebody gay.
01:34:22
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Yeah. They'll call him the F-slur immediately. ah Okay, so he's talking about putting these people to death if they don't defend the yeah country. For it was his first care to put an end to such contentions and dissensions among the people. For behold, this had been hitherto a cause of all their destruction.
01:34:42
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So for the common good, he's got to shut these guys down. And it came to pass that Moroni commanded that his army should go against those kingsmen to pull down their pride and their nobility and level them with the earth, or they should take up arms and support the cause of liberty.
01:34:58
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And it came to pass that the armies did march forth against them and they did pull down their pride and their nobility in so much as they did lift their weapons of war to fight against the men of Moroni. They were hewn down and leveled to the earth.
01:35:13
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Is the argument that the original language of this book is English? Yes. This is not translate. Well, I guess it is translated from like, ah I don't know.
01:35:25
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What is it? It told to him, though. It was told to him in English, and he wrote it down. No, he translated it from golden tablets that were in a hat. And he just happened to know that, like, liberty was this, like, this long-lasting concept that was wrapped up into a single word.
01:35:45
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As a matter of fact, he did. I, I, what, look, under, it's annoying when people believe dumb things, right? We live in a world where that happens all the time right now.
01:35:57
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But the people who believed this, it makes you, it makes you wonder what kind of, like, desperation and sadness was going on at the time because it's so dumb like this is so dumb that you like what do you what were you going through where this made sense to you i don't know but i don't know what it's on the other side you could be like ah what a what a a deist like uh ben franklin you know balding cenobite
01:36:31
Speaker
But like, he was what like, what I don't know what people got. for I don't know what people got from this. And then we're like, yeah, i sure. Fine. Okay. Yeah. We're this now. Like, why?
01:36:44
Speaker
It's all just it's community and exclusivity. That's what it always boils down to. It's just tribalism. want to be there from you can accept that this is real if your entire community is revolves around it, you know. But this guy should have Joseph Smith should have been stoned from the first time he brought these tablet, these quote unquote translations of tablets that no one could find back. He was murdered. I mean, you just think he should have been murdered sooner.
01:37:09
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Before he could have got away with it. Yeah, yeah. This is just like... ah The anniversary of the...
01:37:20
Speaker
Broadway event, the Book of Mormon, is a is in full force right now, and I would love to go see it. I wanted to go see it 20 years ago when it came out, and I never did.
01:37:32
Speaker
It probably would have been more fun then, because you could let you could laugh at them for how wrong they were and how right you were. Yeah. Wait. I don't get it, actually. I don't know what you're saying. Yeah.
01:37:45
Speaker
I guess it'd be the same thing now. It's just back then you had kind of like ah ah a ah divine mandate to do so. the ah you know You know what the Book of Mormon is, right?
01:37:58
Speaker
What, me? Yeah, the the South Park yeah great deal. Yeah, I know. watched the episodes. I was lost on whether or not you thought, because it came out when we were at Liberty, I would have been like, yeah, this is so stupid. But like they wrote it as though it's so stupid.
01:38:14
Speaker
Right. um But a lot of the original cast is back. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are in it. ah I want to get out there. I want i want to take a trip. My wife's gone to New York for several shows.
01:38:27
Speaker
Well, i don't do that. i i feel like I feel like I need to do this. I should do it. I bet tickets are so
Narrative Storytelling vs Religious Exposition
01:38:35
Speaker
expensive. she should go get She should agree to go with you but complain the whole time as if you guys were going out to dinner.
01:38:46
Speaker
yeah she should you should say should say what do you want to go to the book of mormon with me and she says it's fine i'll go it's fine she should buy the tickets she should buy the tickets and then talk about how much money she spent on them the whole time can you believe you believe we spent six hundred dollars on these tickets Oh, that's crazy. It better be worth it. it And you you probably will go there in in a vehicle with the same equivalent brakes as like a Mormon Conestoga wagon. yeah No, dude, they'll be repaired by ah they'll be repaired tomorrow.
01:39:24
Speaker
Nice. i dropped it off. But if ah if it was just her and I going, we wouldn't take we wouldn't take the Sienna. We would take the Accord, baby. Easier to park. Hmm.
01:39:37
Speaker
Makes sense, I guess. So, yeah, they they went out and they crushed the rebellion, basically, and they killed 4,000 people kingsmen. the of the the you know the kingsman They kill so many people in this book.
01:39:51
Speaker
and So many dead bodies. What do they do with them all? I guess ah I guess Kentucky is just for corpses. Maybe that's why the land of desolation is Michigan, because that's just where they're like, they just kind of throw the dead bodies into the swamp, you know, and like, I don't know, Toledo or whatever. It's a great band name, Casey.
01:40:11
Speaker
Kentucky is for corpses. Oh, that is good. Yeah, you can make a really terrible Metacore band out of that. Yes, dude. Crab Corps all the way. And the remainder of those dissenters, rather than be smitten down to the earth by the sword, yielded to the standard of liberty and were called to hoist. What is happening?
01:40:31
Speaker
Because this word didn't show up like this until now. what What changed in his life where this word shows up so much? He was just, I mean, maybe this was, maybe he translated this part out of the hat around the 4th of July and he was just feeling particularly patriotic.
01:40:48
Speaker
When? when He was humming Yankee Doodle Dandy the whole time. what what was When was Joseph Smith's life again? I don't know, 1800 something or other. Well, I'm going look it up.
01:41:00
Speaker
ah Rather than be smitten down to the earth by the sword, yielded to the standard of liberty, and were compelled to hoist the title of liberty to unto upon their towers and in their cities, and to take up arms in defense of their country, and thus Moroni put an end to those kingsmen that were not any known by the alet appellation of Kingman.
01:41:23
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And thus he put an end to the stubbornness and the pride of those people who profess the blood of nobility, but they were brought down to humble themselves like unto their brethren and to fight valiantly for their freedom from bondage.
01:41:39
Speaker
Dude, this idiot died when he was my age. Yeah, he wasn't old. No, 38. thirty eight Fuck you. So, yeah, that may be a good point to put a a a pin in this one, which sucks because we're not going to get to, ah you know, the the military genius of a Teen Come yeah and and their their triumph over Amalekia.
01:42:07
Speaker
I had a feeling something tells me that Teen Come is all about flanking the enemy.
01:42:14
Speaker
He is. There is some really funny language in some of this stuff about like, ah you know, taking them from the back and whatnot. Yeah. had so how He was he was patriotic in the first half of the book and then just kind of like outright. homerotic second second
01:42:36
Speaker
So, yeah, just more just more gold from the Book of Mormon it is just littered with good stuff. It's a gift that keeps on giving. Yeah, it is refreshing to finally like hit a passage that's an actual story and not just an endless ah exposition about like the wisdom of God and whatnot.
01:42:57
Speaker
Right, that gets old because anyone can make that shit up. I want you to make up logistics, battle logistics. Huge portions of the Book of Mormon are just people like blessing their food.
01:43:11
Speaker
it's like pages pages and pages pages of people like bless this food to our body lord and be with uh uncle frank because he has diarrhea whatever As he white knuckles the toilet seat. Speaking of diarrhea, we didn't even get to talk about the video video I sent you the other day. Which which one? the yeah The baby fur guy.
01:43:41
Speaker
did i maybe Did I watch it? I think you responded, I hate you. And then immediately blocked it out. I probably did. I feel like 80% of my response to what you sent me is, I wish you weren't alive anymore.
01:44:01
Speaker
I got a lot of people with that video. So... so i found as pate I was watching a video about ah like a YouTube predator who happens to be a baby fur, which is a furry who likes to wear wear diapers and has like a sexual thing around being a name Finn or whatever. and And there's probably a bunch of them that would be like, no, it's not sexual. We're just furries and we like to you know age regress and whatnot.
01:44:29
Speaker
Fine, whatever. You know, this guy has a sexual thing with diapers. And ah so, you know, it's a lot of him in like a dog mask and stuff. And he's in the woods in his pampers. And he's like, oh, oh, oh, like acting embarrassed or whatever.
01:44:45
Speaker
Then there was a video. That I just... It's on Twitter. the The most vile things are on Twitter. But it's like, you just see like his his backside, right? And he pulls his little shorts down over his diaper.
01:45:00
Speaker
And you just see it go... who And like flex outward. And it is... It's so disgusting.
01:45:11
Speaker
And I could not quit laughing. yeah course you I don't know if he sent that to me. and I don't want you to, but I don't know if I can find it. I'll find it I was just going through like our recent interaction. du Every time I scroll through our interactions online, I go, what is this friendship? Honestly,
01:45:34
Speaker
It's nuts.
Derek Savage's AI Movie Projects
01:45:36
Speaker
It's nuts. Cool Cat-topia. ah yeah, dude. I can't wait to watch Cool Cat-topia. Check out Internet Chili's video.
01:45:46
Speaker
A video of Dodge Ram trucks. Iran deals always come back to the money. ah It's just like this weird mix of everything.
01:45:57
Speaker
yeah if you get if you Dude, a fun a fun guy to follow on ah on YouTube is ah Your Movie Sucks.
01:46:07
Speaker
He does like movie reviews. He's actually he's a furry. But ah he's so funny. he He's hilarious. And he does like movie reviews. And then he also does like live streams where they talk about movies and stuff. But like one of his like topics that he's most famous for covering is Derek Savage, who we've talked about on the podcast before as being like the world's worst children's movie director.
01:46:37
Speaker
ah He has this original character called Cool Cat. And he's made several, like, he's basically made a bunch of, like, weird little short films that make no sense. And then he's edited the same footage together 50 times into a bunch of different weird projects.
01:46:54
Speaker
His brag on the one you sent me. It's, uh... Oh, there it is. It's a cool cat. Topia for listen to the taglines on. They're so good. because I just saw it and my, I, before I read the taglines, I go, this is some AI ass bullshit.
01:47:14
Speaker
And then, uh, So it's cool cat Topia, a film by Derek Savage above cool cat Topia. It says this, I need to, I need to use this image and do a post for the episode so people can see it. Um, it above the cool cat Topia. It says first AI book to movie adaptation. And then, and then at the bottom, it says second AI kids feature film in history.
01:47:47
Speaker
Dude, when he first started talking about it, he was talking about it as the first AI kids film in history or whatever. And then he must have found a different one. And he was I bet you he was so angry.
01:48:00
Speaker
So now he's having to print like it's the second ever in history. It's it's the first AI book. First ai was the book in AI book.
01:48:12
Speaker
that and That is total nonsense. There is no book. Whatever he's talking about is like totally contrived. No, na no, he made it. He he he made an A.I. Cool cat book about the movie.
01:48:27
Speaker
And so we could call it the first AI book to cool cat movie. Probably actually. yeah Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a hundred. That is the only, I'm just saying statistically in reading this, that's the only possible option.
01:48:39
Speaker
And then it was the second AI kids feature film, which is the dumbest thing to brag about that. Dude, you're,
01:48:49
Speaker
You're that's like, Brad, dude, what is that? Like the, this, and you're bragging about doing no work. You didn't make a movie. You just typed into Eric thinks he's working.
01:49:02
Speaker
You're bragging about getting skinny on GLP ones. I don't know. You did no work. dude eat So if you if you're not familiar with Derek Savage, Turkey Tom has a great video that like details Derek's like whole career up until like a year ago. But it's so funny because he's done so many weird things like this where he just like it finds like an ideological loophole to like market his movie around or whatever.
01:49:32
Speaker
Like he so his original project was called Cool Cat Saves the Kids. And it's nothing about the movie makes it. There's no linear story to be told in the movie. It's like loosely something about bullying or whatever. But originally he got Vivica Fox from Kill Bill and ah Eric Estrada from like chips and whatnot, you know, old ah TV actor.
01:50:00
Speaker
He got them to appear in like a, ah I think what he basically described it as like a a PSA about bullying, like a PSA short film about bullying sort of thing, right?
01:50:13
Speaker
But then he used the footage he shot with them, edited together with a bunch of other things to make like this feature length film. And everything um about Cool Cat Saves the Kids has Eric Estrada and Vivica A. Fox on the front of it.
01:50:28
Speaker
And it's like starring Eric Estrada, like definitely did not get their consent to use them in a movie of any sort, you know, but he's been doing it for years and he just does that kind of stuff like his last film, if you want to call it, that was called ah Cool Cat.
01:50:46
Speaker
Cool Cat versus Dirty Dog, The Virus Wars. And it's about how this Cool Cat's nemesis, Dirty Dog, which is Derek Savage in a Hollywood or a a Planet Hollywood or Halloween City dog mask ah creates a like a coronavirus of his own to infect the kids because he hates kids. Every bad guy in a Derek Savage production hates kids. And that's their whole motivation.
01:51:13
Speaker
So like it's just this is the most recent one is like cool cat Topia, which he literally named that because he liked Zootopia. Oh, my God.
01:51:24
Speaker
And ah he's such a derivative person. The most derivative, dude. It's crazy. And like he played some clips of it on like a live stream. He goes, i want to show you a cool music video that we shot for the new cool cat Topia movie. And it's just ai garbage.
01:51:41
Speaker
but it's it's like bad didn't shoot it! That's what's crazy. You didn't shoot anything. You did no work. And it's all AI music and stuff too. But like, it's Cool Cat in a cowboy hat and he's it's a song about being a cowboy, but the lyrics are I'm a cow, cow, cow, cowboy.
01:52:03
Speaker
yeah It's the most unbelievably low effort thing you've ever seen. And he's trying to like crowdfund his AI movie.
01:52:14
Speaker
Which is like, what are you crowdfunding? I don't know. His $20 a month It's so funny. Derek Savage is like one of the funniest rabbit holes to go down. so yeah. Oh, my God. Just quick addendum. I do want, like, if you take GLP ones, I'm not trying to make fun of you. He is, though.
01:52:35
Speaker
I'm not. Derek Savage does no work. GLP-1s have helped a lot of people. They may increase your risk of thyroid cancer and give you bone density issues, but if that's a risk you're willing to take, who am I judge?
01:52:49
Speaker
Because I believe in liberty, just like Joseph Smith and Teen Come. So live your life. Or going lick you. Or I'm going lick you with Teen Come.
01:53:02
Speaker
All right. Just that's all. I just wanted to just, I just need to put that out there. right. Thank you. We can, we can close out. Thanks for listening. Everyone. Sam hates fat people. Good night.