Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
S2:E15 - Nightbitch (2024 Film)
23 Plays4 days ago
This week, things get a little wild... literally. Join us as we dive into Nightbitch by Rachel Yoder and its 2024 movie adaptation starring Amy Adams.
We’re breaking down the book’s surreal exploration of motherhood, rage, isolation, and reclaiming identity—then comparing it to how the movie transforms those same themes for the screen. Whether you're a parent, a creative spirit, or just someone who feels like howling at the moon some days, this one's for you.
Hosted by Keri with co-hosts Lindsey and Crystal.
Books & Adaptations Mentioned:
Question of the Episode:
- What breed of dog would each of us turn into if we suddenly transformed into dogs?
Share your opinions with us on Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube or email us at basedonabookpodcast@gmail.com.
Don't miss an episode! Subscribe to "Based on a Book" on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podfriend, and Castbox!
Send us a Book Adaptation Request!
Intro/Outro Music - Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!)
Thanks for listening to Based on a Book - see you in the next chapter!
Chapters:
(00:00) Introductions
(1:24) Let’s Talk Ratings
(14:24) Book vs. Movie Breakdown (SPOILERS)
(1:03:26) Final Verdicts
(1:04:24) Question of the Episode
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction and Host Insights
00:00:07
Speaker
Welcome to Based on a Book, the podcast that dives into stories with teeth. And in this episode, things are about to get a little feral. I'm Keri, and I think growling should be socially acceptable way to express feelings.
Exploring Themes in Night Bitch
00:00:22
Speaker
I'm Lindsay. I'm not a night bitch. I'm an all day bitch. And I'm Crystal. We record our episodes around my son's bedtime schedule. In this episode, we are discussing Rachel Yoder's debut novel, Night Bitch, and its 2024 film adaptation.
00:00:42
Speaker
Night Bitch is a dark, surreal story that sinks its teeth into motherhood, identity, and the wild animal that lives beneath the surface. A stay-at-home mother soon suspects that she's turning into a dog.
00:00:55
Speaker
It's strange, but also weirdly liberating. We're talking maternal rage, feminine power, and kind of mythical. May is turning out to be chaotic in more ways than just our book picks.
00:01:10
Speaker
I'm hosting an episode on motherhood. While Crystal's diving into horror later in this month. That's the real mayhem of May.
00:01:22
Speaker
And it just goes to show how we sometimes love going into these stories a little blind.
00:01:29
Speaker
A little. Just little. Just a little. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. So before we start our book versus movie breakdown, I want to immediately get into ratings.
00:01:42
Speaker
I think the best way to start here is with Crystal, the only mom of our group. Okay. So this book is a about a woman who thinks she's turning into a dog on the surface.
00:01:59
Speaker
But this book is absolutely 100% about motherhood.
Diverse Host Perspectives on Motherhood
00:02:04
Speaker
There are lots of types of moms. Yeah. but this one definitely focuses more on moms who birth their own children.
00:02:15
Speaker
So I want to make sure that like when I talk about it, I don't want to negate anybody else's motherhood because all forms of motherhood are really valid. But to me, this book is a five.
00:02:28
Speaker
I firmly believe that anybody considering being a mom needs to read this book. And anybody who already is a mom needs to read this book to know they're not alone.
00:02:41
Speaker
It's, it was, I felt seen in a way I haven't felt seen in a very long time. This was a, this was shockingly because like legit, I was like a book about a woman who turns into a dog.
00:02:59
Speaker
This is going to be weird. But I sobbed through the majority of this book. And I am so glad we read it. this This is good.
00:03:10
Speaker
Yay. I'm happy you really liked it.
00:03:14
Speaker
Lindsay?
00:03:17
Speaker
so While I am a cat mom,
00:03:23
Speaker
this book was not written for me. This story was not written for me. i am not the target audience.
00:03:34
Speaker
So with that being said, I gave it two
Book vs. Movie: Adaptation Differences
00:03:38
Speaker
and a half raw stakes. That's valid. I legit, I don't understand how anybody who is not a parent in some way could i don't I don't see how they could in any way enjoy this book, to be very, very honest. If you are not already a parent, and mother or father,
00:03:59
Speaker
like i don't think you would ever firmly grasp the weight of this book. You know what i mean? so yeah like I'm sitting here like it was a five for me, and it was, but I think it's 100%.
00:04:15
Speaker
Not just acceptable, but expected that you wouldn't have really loved this. You know what I mean? It makes sense. Yeah, I agree with Lindsay. I gave it with Lindsay's favorite thing in books. I gave it three growls.
00:04:31
Speaker
Lindsay's favorite thing to see in books.
00:04:36
Speaker
I enjoyed it. ah For the most part, to be honest, my favorite subgenre in horror is feminine rage.
00:04:47
Speaker
And honestly, like, motherhood books. Like, if you look at my TBR in horror, the subgenre that I love to read about are those two things.
00:04:59
Speaker
The one thing I didn't love about this book, but like Lindsay said, I mean... I'm not the target audience for this book. i don't I don't have kids. I'm not a mom. Nor
Societal Pressures and Identity in Motherhood
00:05:10
Speaker
am I a cat mom or pet mom.
00:05:14
Speaker
But
00:05:18
Speaker
I also kind of wished it like got a little weirder. i was expecting it to get more weird. Like with the whole dog thing. But I get why it didn't.
00:05:33
Speaker
two that's why i kind of gave it a three i was like very much in the middle of the road with it i just i didn't go into this thinking it was going to be a book about motherhood i thought it was going to be a book that got weird ah her yeah like and so i kind of went in with that mindset and then was just shook i was just yeah because it's not it's not at all what i expected yeah grasping you a completely different way and like legit You know, this is a book not just about parenthood, but womanhood.
00:06:03
Speaker
And I'm on my period. So I feel like this book really hit me extra hard. So maybe maybe in a couple of weeks, I wouldn't feel the same. it But this book shook me.
00:06:15
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, maybe it's like you read it when you need it, though. Like it happened in this moment for a reason. And I'm probably going to send this book to moms that I know.
00:06:28
Speaker
Like, yeah i I feel like, and I did talk to one other mom who found, like, I mentioned that I was going to read it and she said that she had and that it, was an experience. And she was like, when you're done, tell me what you think. You know, because yeah it was, she wasn't going to ruin it for me. She wasn't, but she was like, this, this is going to mean something to you. Let me know when you're done. You know? Yeah.
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah. I was, I was so curious about your feelings on it because I had read so many reviews after I was done and they are very much either. They love it.
00:07:03
Speaker
Or they hate it. And it's a lot of like moms, people saying like, I'm a mom and this is how I felt about it. And i was very curious if you felt, and it's either, a lot of the reviews either say that it exactly represents how they feel as a mom and they feel like they're seen in this book or in the movie.
00:07:23
Speaker
And a lot of them say that They either don't like the content and how it's represented. I've heard some seen some that's saying it's over-exaggerated and things like that.
00:07:35
Speaker
So I was curious how what you were going to say about it. I feel like there were definitely parts that were very, very similar to experiences I've had with my motherhood journey.
00:07:47
Speaker
There were definitely parts of it that weren't quite what I experienced. But I also feel like for anybody to say that like it's over-exaggerated, first of all, it's a book about a woman who turns into a dog.
00:08:01
Speaker
So... yeah What did you expect? But also, don't you dare to find someone else's experience of motherhood. Period. Full stop.
00:08:12
Speaker
Yeah. Because I know moms that have experienced
Empowerment Through Primal Instincts
00:08:16
Speaker
horrific, you know, postpartum depression, horrific experiences around trauma that, you know, having a child ended up exacerbating. Don't don't sit there and say it's overdramatic. It's...
00:08:31
Speaker
you You can't possibly understand what every single woman has gone through. Mm-hmm. Yeah. i just I just have really big feelings on mom's, like, gatekeeping experiences or trying to negate or diminish other mothers' experiences. Like, don't. Just don't. Yeah.
00:08:51
Speaker
Totally. i agree. And I am curious, well, Lindsay and I, being, you know, We don't have kids. And I'm curious, Lindsay, how it resonates with you as someone who doesn't have kids.
00:09:06
Speaker
ah Like, how did you connect with it, the book, in other ways? I could recognize that it was well-written story. I could recognize that it was a good representation.
00:09:21
Speaker
Although I don't relate.
00:09:25
Speaker
I honestly, through most of the book, I was sitting at a three. Until I got to a certain point. We won't talk about that. But when she brings up the topic of being an artist before motherhood, I i kind of related to that more than anything because I also used to be really into art.
00:09:48
Speaker
And as I've gotten older, I've kind of...
00:09:53
Speaker
I don't know, it it hasn't been as much of a priority, but I can think back on those times fondly and I'm like, oh, I really, I do miss doing art. I do love art. um And maybe it's something that I can get in into later.
00:10:07
Speaker
So that was the the biggest point that I could relate to in this. Yeah. Yeah, I think something that really... emotionally affected me.
00:10:19
Speaker
I mean, and as again, speaking as someone, the only thing I can speak to in this is just being a woman in society. And i think that that's a big theme also that you can grasp from this book, being a woman in a relationship in society.
00:10:36
Speaker
And, you know, losing passion or drive in something and wanting support from your partner, in general, is something I really took from this. And how that can really put a lot of strain on your relationship. I mean, additional to, you know, being a mother on top of that as well.
00:10:56
Speaker
But I do understand that strain that it can put on a relationship. And also, taming ourselves... for society okay versus completely letting go that that entire theme and the story really affected me. Like putting ourselves into a box because of society pressures.
00:11:20
Speaker
And I can only speak on society pressures as a woman or like as a woman in a relationship where we have like specific rules made by society for us.
00:11:33
Speaker
And like, In the story, she's specifically talking about rules as like a mother and things like that. and you know, I think you can relate to this as like, also there's rule, like a rule, like who made this rule book for women in society where we, that we have to follow.
00:11:52
Speaker
And like, what would it feel like to just go feral and not do what society requires of women? like There was a point that she talked about, like her top things that she wanted to do in her life. Like what I'm how about I'm just not going to shower and I'm not going to do this and I'm not going to do what society requires of me and just like do whatever I want.
00:12:14
Speaker
I think one of my favorite parts yeah in the book and in the movie is in the very beginning when she's talking about how she's a stay-at-home mom and how she's supposed to be grateful for that. Like she's not allowed to complain about it.
00:12:30
Speaker
And I feel like that's just another one of those, ah you know, again, in society, if you are in a position where your spouse can support you or in a relationship where your partner can support you,
00:12:41
Speaker
And you get air quotes to stay home. You know, you almost aren't allowed to complain, even if the reason you're home is to help support your partner because your partner's, you know, and don't know, has a really hectic job, a stressful job, whatever. Or it was, you know, because of, you know, a child care situation, whatever the reason is.
00:13:03
Speaker
And, it you know, how women are are oftentimes put in this position to be grateful for things and feel like they're not allowed to not want those things. Like you're not allowed to say, I don't want to be a stay at home mom. You're not allowed to say, i want to have a career. i want to follow my own passions.
00:13:22
Speaker
You're supposed to just be grateful for what you have. yeah And i that that really resonated with me, um you know, watching My mom, you know, my stepmom
Reflections on Transformation and Personal Connection
00:13:32
Speaker
go through that, like being at home and and everybody saying, oh, you you must love it. but Well, no, it's freaking hard and I'm stressed, but you're not allowed to say that, you know.
00:13:41
Speaker
Yeah. And that really, you know, watching other women go through that, that. It's almost like you – and you want to say to them, like, you can tell me the truth.
00:13:52
Speaker
but You know, you don't you don't have to put on the fake face. And I don't know. I just – I feel like this book really helped to start that conversation, you know, with with a lot of people. you know, open up that door to, like, let's go ahead and be vulnerable and speak our truth instead of building these resentments, building – You know, that that, you know, the anxiety and the depression and the shame that's associated with not being able to speak that truth.
00:14:22
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. So I want to go ahead and get into our book versus movie breakdown now. so Spoiler warning before we dive in this episode from this point on will contain major spoilers for the book and movie.
00:14:39
Speaker
If you haven't read the book or watched the movie, consider hitting pause and coming back after you've finished. Otherwise, we're getting into it, starting with some content warnings.
00:14:52
Speaker
Both the book and movie, I feel like ah Lindsay right now.
00:14:57
Speaker
Now I know how you feel when you listen to me. With all those content warnings. Both the book and movie contain ah mental health struggles, body horror, graphic descriptions of bodily functions and changes, violence, and animal death, including a pet.
00:15:16
Speaker
can think of anything else. Let me know. always say this, but Storygraph is an excellent ah space to find content warnings on there as well.
00:15:28
Speaker
ah But in Night Bitch... We follow unnamed characters, mother, husband, and son. Notice how I did not say father. I said husband, which is very intentional in this story.
00:15:44
Speaker
Well, and even in the beginning, it's not son. It's the boy. yes Yes. It's the boy through the first like first two parts of the book. It's the boy. In the movie, when you look up the cast, it's...
00:15:59
Speaker
I believe it says sun but I don't know. She calls him baby a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I think the purpose of this in general is to generalize this scenario, like making it obvious to the reader and those watching this movie that this...
00:16:22
Speaker
whole thing, they this story that you're about to read, to me, this is how this is how I interpreted it, is that this is common. This whole thing is almost like a tale as old as time, but in a way where it's like slapping you in the back of the head, be like, duh, this could be you, this could be your friend and her husband, it could be your own mother, it could be someone you work with.
00:16:46
Speaker
and That's how I took it with these you know unnamed characters of mother. and husband, boy. And mother is played by Amy Adams.
00:16:59
Speaker
Husband is played by Scoot McNary. ah Amy Adams was very passionate about this project. you know She read the book and she really pushed this movie forward.
00:17:12
Speaker
um She's also married and has a daughter in real life. Super passionate about this project. um Was extremely involved in the entire production of this movie.
00:17:26
Speaker
ah But in the book, ah Mother is a former artist who has pressed paused on her career to stay at home with her son. And motherhood has now kind of just what she feels like is taking over her identity routine in a bit of her creative out outlet.
00:17:48
Speaker
And this is kind of shown in the film where we get a montage of her everyday routine. And I think Amy Adams does such a good job.
00:17:59
Speaker
i love Amy Adams. in this way of She was so perfect in this movie. It was... Okay, so Amy Adams, of course, is a Disney princess.
00:18:12
Speaker
yeah From Enchanted. Yes. And I kind of in my head... took this as like, cause I have seen the second enchanted movie, but I kind of took this as the like continuation of the story
Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode
00:18:28
Speaker
in my mind. And I was like, Holy crap. It is like, she just, it, it just, this is what happens in the happily ever after.
00:18:41
Speaker
like they don't tell you that like, okay, now fast forward to the hard part. Yeah. yeah I mean, that's very valid and true.
00:18:54
Speaker
And i like i but like I had such an emotional feeling. Like I said, the book was, you know, i liked it and I kind of struggled sometimes to connect.
00:19:07
Speaker
The movie, I think seeing it with my eyes, I love this movie so, so much. Mm-hmm. I cried a lot during this movie.
00:19:20
Speaker
I got really emotional during this movie. I think Amy Adams, seeing her
00:19:28
Speaker
in person, seeing this main character, mother, in person, had just a completely different effect on me. i I enjoyed the movie very much.
00:19:41
Speaker
ah The book definitely hit me more emotionally than the movie did. Yeah. However, listened to the audio book. And I think hearing a woman speak this story to me who was like a woman telling me her story. It was, yeah you know, it felt more intimate to me.
00:20:04
Speaker
it real i think, make you know, listening to the audio book versus reading a physical copy probably is a different experience. Yeah. I've been considering that because I told you i want to I want to get this for some of my friends who are moms. And like I've considered, is you know do I want to send them an audiobook credit instead? you know Because it was that experience. I think it was a little bit different for me.
00:20:30
Speaker
Amy Adams was amazing. And I think the movie did you know also hit me a couple of times. I teared up, but not the way I sobbed through the book. Yeah.
00:20:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. the The book definitely had like a different, it had a different vibe to it for sure. Yeah. Especially in this first part where we're doing like the montage of her day and yeah in the book she's talking about the monotony of her life.
00:21:02
Speaker
It's almost like a rant. Yeah. like Because Amy Adams has that first little rant in the grocery store, which it doesn't really happen. It's like in her head, I guess. Yeah, she does have a lot. love how they did that. Yeah, she's like talking to the audience a lot of what she really wants to say, but isn't... thats I think they did that really, really well.
00:21:23
Speaker
yeah um But that first rant in the grocery store is similar to some of the rants in the book. like There's twenty like 20... Again, I listened to the audio. There's like 20 minutes of... of a rant about how, like, how impersonal, how clinical, how disconnected a mom can feel when, like,
00:21:46
Speaker
breast pumps and and and like trying to make breast milk and the environment for like it's supposed to be this beautiful thing that you can do for your child but it's just this clinical dry stress inducing thing there's like a 20 minute rant in the book it's probably 40 pages yeah but to me that what like i was sobbing through the whole thing because like been there done that and felt that you know yeah and and for Amy Adams to like have that rant in the grocery store for a minute about like will I ever get my life back will i ever get my body back am I ever gonna feel any you know like myself again like that was so well done in a way that was understandable and was just really well done yeah Amy Adams clearly put a lot of effort into it like it's it's obvious yeah I definitely agree
00:22:43
Speaker
Mother also doesn't feel very connected with other mothers, especially during group settings. She doesn't want to connect with another woman just because they're both mothers. Like it's an obligation for them.
00:22:58
Speaker
She wants to connect on other levels, but just happen to both be mothers. Well, because they're supposed to be your friends. Yeah. Not my coworkers in motherhood.
00:23:10
Speaker
exactly. Exactly. You know, it's supposed to be your friends. Mm-hmm. That really does suck. Because there's a lot of crap. Like, people i don't want to be friends with are moms. Not that they're bad moms. They're just people I don't want to be friends with.
00:23:23
Speaker
We have one thing in common, and it's our shitty kids. You know? like no thank you.
00:23:30
Speaker
Yeah. And it's like, I mean, like Is there like a pressure or something to feel like you have to be friends because you're mom? Like that's kind of like what the story talks about. No, absolutely.
00:23:43
Speaker
Yeah. i You know, and then, of course, if you're at the park. With a bunch of other parents out there. And you're not talking to the other parents. Then like. You kind of get the look. that like Does she think she's better than us?
00:23:56
Speaker
Like. No. I don't think I'm better than you. I just don't want to hang out with you. Like. That's not a bad thing. Leave me alone. You know? Yeah. Trust me. I'm not that cool. You don't want to know me. You know?
00:24:09
Speaker
You're cool. I think you're cool. Oh. Thanks. But. There's so much pressure. Especially for like. This was the big one when she was like the the tight hikes, the book babies, the, you know, mommy yoga, like the pressure to.
00:24:25
Speaker
Do all of those things and then not just show up with your kids so your kid can enjoy it, but you're expected to be social too. like yeah Yeah, there's a point like you can see in the movie and she also talks about it in the book where she's just like sitting there, like witnessing all the moms like singing along As they're all like sitting around in this thing. And i think they're like in a library or something. Right.
00:24:51
Speaker
For this meeting. And she's just like, I'm ready to go. And she sees someone else leaving. And she just is like, please like talk to me. And like, please let's like connect. Like, are you just like me? Are you feeling the same way I'm feeling? Yeah, because like somebody who kind of was like, I don't really want to sing along. I'm only here for my kid. Yeah.
00:25:11
Speaker
And so she's like, maybe we can at least bond over that. Yeah. and Yeah. But then she leaves. Once again, though, what's up with that duck?
00:25:25
Speaker
Yeah, what is up with that duck? what That was stuck in my head for a solid, like, 20 minutes after I watched it.
00:25:33
Speaker
And then the kid's like, what's your name? Fuck.
00:25:39
Speaker
This is such a real feeling too. I don't know how many, and every mom's had that moment and yet every mom will stare at you when you have that moment when your kid cusses loudly in public.
00:25:51
Speaker
Like, yes, I cuss at home. So do you too. Don't lie to me about it. Like, yeah, yeah perfect. Go away. right So a husband works and he's continuously going on work trips and And she, oh gosh, this husband.
00:26:11
Speaker
this Okay, I did not hate husband in book. I didn't love him. no I didn't hate him. yeah Movie husband, I was like, yeah what's going on here? Yeah, husband in book is very different than husband in movie.
00:26:26
Speaker
But husband, she kind of resents him a little bit for like his full hours of sleep and the fact that when he is home, he needs help doing everything.
00:26:37
Speaker
Like he there's like one point where he can't do bath time on his own. And he's like he offers like he volunteered. He's like, I'll do bath time so you can like sit down and relax.
00:26:50
Speaker
And he like goes to do bath time. And like every other second he's asking for something. Yeah. Where do you keep this? Can you go get one of these for me? yeah You know, you need to. I do this by myself all the time.
00:27:03
Speaker
Like, what are you doing? I was a stay at home mom when my daughter was little. And I remember like, and I'm not going to tell you that my husband at the time was not a horrible husband by any means.
00:27:18
Speaker
But there were definitely times when he would come home and I would just be like, I don't want to, I want my break now. You do this. And he was just like, Okay, well, what are we having? was like, you make dinner. And he would be like, well, okay, well, what am I supposed to make?
00:27:34
Speaker
Okay, well, where are the ingredients? Okay, well, where do you keep the pots and pans? Like, use your eyeballs. You know? Like, I i know that. feet Like, yeah.
00:27:45
Speaker
And then she, like, snaps at him, and I was like, get him. Yeah. It was like a... ah Go ahead, Lindsay. He was sitting on the toilet playing on his phone. Seriously. He wasn't even doing bath time.
00:27:57
Speaker
Yeah. and And then at this point, you're just like, at this point, it's just easier for me to just do it my freaking self. Pretty much. Yeah. And again, she's not allowed to complain. She's supposed to be grateful.
00:28:08
Speaker
And being a stay-at-home mom is a 24-hour job. There's no breaks. Yeah, there's no breaks. It's a 24-hour job. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:19
Speaker
And at one point in the book in the movie, when he, the husband goes, I'd kill to stay home with our son every day. And in the movie, Amy Adams doing the death stare, like literally, like, she's like, I'm about to cut your head off right now. e You're done.
00:28:40
Speaker
You are done. yup And there is one point like she gets angry with him at night at one point, eventually calling herself night bitch.
00:28:51
Speaker
And it's actually, um i kind of looked into this a little bit of like a interview with the author. And the author said that this started as an inside joke with her partner, where she actually called herself that when she turned feral in the middle of the night, whenever their kid, like she wasn't getting enough sleep at night.
00:29:12
Speaker
And that's how The nicknames are kind of similar to what she in ah the main character is calling herself. but it It's so like when you've done a million bedtimes, night nights by yourself and every kid goes through this I'm not going to go to sleep phase.
00:29:33
Speaker
And sometimes it's a phase and sometimes it's a lifestyle, you know, and every mom and she like lays there and like blames herself. It's my fault. I did this. It's my fault. I didn't sleep train him. It's my fault. Like I snuggled with him when he was a baby and now he wants to snuggle all the time.
00:29:50
Speaker
And laying there for hours. And everybody tells you, oh, when you put the kid to bed, you'll have your own time to yourself. And you can get your life back. and you like But it doesn't always work like that. And so she's panicking because at this point she hasn't been sleeping.
00:30:04
Speaker
hu And he's just over there playing video games while she's doing night nights. I know. Like, I would have cut a bitch. Like... but you think You think she's night bitch? i believe If I don't get my set at least seven hours night. I'm about to become the devil. All right. yeah And it might make me the worst mom in the world, but melatonin is our friend in this household. If my kid does not sleep, that means I'm not sleeping. And if I'm not sleeping, everyone is miserable.
00:30:34
Speaker
So we just don't go there, you know? And I, like, I was raging on her behalf through this section of the book, through this section of the movie. Like I killed husband so many times. It's not even funny.
00:30:46
Speaker
Yeah. but Mother also desperately tries to get some kind of like creative release. Like she's just, she's trying to find something like some type of like,
00:30:59
Speaker
Because she's lost her identity. She's just mother at this point. yeah She's just mother. Yeah. She even is trying to like incorporate her son because she has she has her son like all the time. And they like, you know, have this little like finger painting fiasco type of situation. And, you know. That's another really like common yeah mom experience is that like trying to do an arts and crafts with your kid and then ending up ending up with like.
00:31:28
Speaker
painted couch. Yeah. You know? yeah So as all these events are happening, like we are getting to know mother and getting to know her life.
00:31:39
Speaker
We're seeing and experiencing her daily frustrations and her continuous internal dialogue in the book and in the movie, like we said, like she has these internal dialogues with the audience almost.
00:31:51
Speaker
And I really like that they do that. And about, you know, being a mother and desperately wanting someone to help. She's also experiencing some unusual changes.
00:32:04
Speaker
She is beginning to notice her canines are getting very sharp. She is growing hair in strange places. I love this part in the movie when she's like, what fresh hell awaits you today when she's looking in the mirror?
00:32:20
Speaker
I mean, I've even I've been there. I'm like, what is going on now on my face? Oh, man. And let me tell you, as a woman, your body changes. Like they tell you all about puberty, but nobody warns you about like the your body changes through your 20s and your 30s and your 40s. Like it doesn't stop changing.
00:32:38
Speaker
Nope. And they don't warn you about that. No, they do not. So legit as she's in the mirror looking at like, you know, chin hairs and pimples and acne. And like, it's just like.
00:32:50
Speaker
Yup. Yup. Well, they don't warn you because people still don't understand it yet. They really don't. Doctors don't understand. That's whole other argument. Yeah, that's a whole other argument.
00:33:02
Speaker
late yeah Yeah, that's a whole other argument. Well, her sense of smell also insane. and then one day she is ah notices she's growing something similar to almost, it's like a cyst, but it almost has a tail. Yeah.
00:33:19
Speaker
growing out of her back and she expresses her concern to her husband and her husband's like you need to see a doctor and like kind of laughs at her she's like must be some like hormonal thing don't make me slap you do not make me slap you for real like that actually irritated me bad and I will say like it was around this part in the book where I'm like okay are we actually is this actually a transformation like shifter book yeah Or is this, like, just symbolism? Is this about her and her body changing and not being hers anymore?
00:33:59
Speaker
yeah You know, because... ah Because I went into this thinking this was a shifter. This was this is going to be a little bit of horror, a little bit of like, you know, suspense. And and and but it's it's really not.
00:34:14
Speaker
Yeah. And I still don't know. yeah I was gonna say, you really don't know. you really do have no idea. but I still love it. i Yeah. That's kind of part of why I love Yeah.
00:34:26
Speaker
Yeah. You really don't know if you almost think maybe it's in her head in the sense of like she's, like you said, like going through a transformation internally. Like maybe she's fantasizing this. Not necessarily hallucinating. Not in a crazy way, but in a like like daydream Walter Mitty way.
00:34:53
Speaker
You know what i mean? In that like fantasy... kind of style yeah you know especially like at one point in the movie well in the book too she develops more nipples along her her torso along her bo her belly and she mentions it she we see it in the movie for a minute And then she mentions it to her husband in a kind of offhanded remark.
00:35:19
Speaker
But it's never brought up again. Her husband never mentions it again or never mentions it. It doesn't – you know what i mean? And so it's kind of like, was that a fantasy? Yeah. Or did that actually happen? Yeah.
00:35:30
Speaker
And I love that it leaves us thinking about that. Because in the book, the husband is like almost like going with the flow. Mm-hmm.
00:35:44
Speaker
Like, almost as just, like, this is just what's happening. That's why I feel like it's almost, like, I know in the book at one point she says, like, it's almost like he's bewitched or something whatever's happening with her.
00:36:01
Speaker
I feel like, and and this is why I kind of the one part of the movie that I really was kind of disgusted with is that in the movie he is... Not only not accepting of it, but she is pushing him away, away, away. Like, I don't even want to deal with him.
00:36:19
Speaker
Whereas in the book, she talks to him kind of about, like... You know, my body is changing and we're going to pretend to be dogs. And she kind of like introduced and she knows she has to go slow about it. She can't just drop this on him, but she slowly introduces him and he accepts all these changes, all these things that are happening to her almost in a way. i don't want to say he encourages it, but he's like definitely supportive of like, yeah okay, if this is the new you, I still love you. If this is what's happening, I'm going like then explore what's happening he's there you know and i hate that they put that division there in the movie because i think it is 100 realistic to expect that your partner would be supportive of the things that are happening to you yeah i feel like it was like a typical conflict that they threw really was very typical movie and i i i just i don't feel like it needed to be there
00:37:19
Speaker
yeah yeah i agree i like the relationship better in the book by a lot yeah i mean because there was still conflict they were still not having like the best time in their relationship but they were working through it like a couple should whereas in the movie they didn't even try to work through it they were just like no you're going through a change i don't like yeah stop but you know Something else that's kind of different than the, in the book versus the movie is that the movie has these like flashbacks to her mother who seemed to have dealt with something so very similar to what she is dealing with now.
00:38:02
Speaker
And she's kind of slowly remembering that happening. she, That her mother would like kind of escape into like the woods.
00:38:16
Speaker
And she was she's like dreaming of her mother that had died. Doing kind of something similar.
00:38:24
Speaker
So as we are like we still continue through mother and son's daily routine, especially the nights when she's like struggling to get him to sleep. and everything And Mother hears barking and sees a bunch of dogs that have come to her. And then the next morning, she sees like a bunch of dead animals on their porch.
00:38:43
Speaker
So at this point, she's like kind of like freaking out because she's like transitioning to something. And a lot of weird experiences are happening to her. And she does ah do additional research into this field guide to mystical women.
00:38:59
Speaker
And this field guide is like much more present in the book versus the movie. In the book, Mother is very obsessed with the author, which is Wanda White, and is trying to track this author down.
00:39:11
Speaker
and the movie, it's much more related to the librarian who originally gave her the book, Norma, who's played by Jessica Harper. I really did love that character. Yeah.
00:39:23
Speaker
There was a moment where she was was like very This a little bit later, but she has like a moment with Norma and she in the movie, and she's like looking at her...
00:39:39
Speaker
And she's like walking away and she's like, I didn't realize you were, it's like one of those things where she's like talking to us as the audience and narrating. And she's like, I didn't realize you were mother. Tell me all your secrets. Like, I didn't know like, this is how it was going to be. Tell me, um am I doing okay? Does it get better? And that made me really emotional.
00:39:59
Speaker
Oh yeah. In the, in the book, we have a somewhat similar moment with a different yeah character. in the, in the book I had to stop because I was sobbing. I i just, yeah, I might even cry now. It was, there's there's moments in your motherhood when you see someone else who may have been there before, you kind of recognize that that they've been through the thing in that moment that you're going through and that they're not judging you for it.
00:40:31
Speaker
And for for a second, you're just like, it's It's almost like you you throw yourself at the mercy of this other you know parent. Like, what do I do? How do I do it? But you you're not really supposed to do that. So you bottle it up and you you have that, like, I wish I would have asked them more questions. I wish I would have had a moment. I wish I would have been able to talk to them more. And like feeling that, you know, like like you're failing and here's somebody who knows how to potentially give you
00:41:06
Speaker
the key to not failing and yet just out of reach like yeah that was a moment in the movie i was like it was my son happened to walk into the room right about that time and so i was just distracted enough that i didn't sob yeah it hits you Yeah, for sure.
00:41:27
Speaker
Like, and she, in that specific moment, she's like giving into these like canine instincts and she's like trying to get like her son to eat and they're like in like a public restaurant or something.
00:41:43
Speaker
And she just like starts eating like with her hands and then starts eating just like with just her mouth. And then her son starts doing it too. And they're both eating, like that in this public place and there was like she has like this sense of freedom and less exhaustion for like a millisecond because her son is eating and it just like it's relief it's yeah yeah because you're not like pushing like it's not exhausting to be like come on eat like we gotta do this it's just like let's just like pretend play doggies and then just like goes in on it and it's just like easier
00:42:21
Speaker
ye It's like, what if we just do that? Because the reason why- You have the mommy win. You yeah have a mommy win for a millisecond because your kid is finally you finally found the key to getting your kid to do the thing that you've been trying to get them to do.
00:42:34
Speaker
Yeah. And then you look up and everyone is judging you. Mm-hmm. Like that, yeah. I have a kid with food issues. So like that that in particular was the moment that just broke me in this book.
00:42:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then at this point, like you said, she is like growing even more like dog features like she has like the nipples and then they're at that point the husband yeah this husband in the movie like really irritates me bad he's like trying to like have sex with her and she's like talking about she's on her period and she's like sitting on the couch and she's like he's like you want to go are like you want to he's like you wanna she's like god no she's like what the hell god no
00:43:27
Speaker
absolutely not i wouldn't either late like this guy sucks this guy literally sucks they did him dirty in this movie for sure really did because i mean like he was annoying like you said he was annoying in the book but he like he was trying in the book he was like in in the movie he's not even trying yeah she's like i think i'm just gonna give up on doing art and he's like if that's what you want like Yeah, it's like, you're not going to fight for me at You're not going to try to do what I love.
00:43:59
Speaker
Right. But at this point, in the middle of the night, she hears howling. And then we see her turn into a dog. And Amy Adams doing this was, like, kind of wild. Like, she went into full character for this.
00:44:16
Speaker
It was awesome. Which really cool. It was really cool. And honestly... This is kind of, for me personally, I was kind of hoping it would get like a little weirder.
00:44:27
Speaker
i was not expecting it to be like a pet dog. I was expecting it to be like a big wolf or something. Werewolf style, like creature, not so much dog. Like Jacob from Twilight. Yeah, there it There there it is I had to put a Twilight reference here. You were looking for the, like, running transformation. Exactly. That's what I wanted. That's what I needed.
00:44:55
Speaker
Where the hell you been, Loka?
00:44:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yep. I specifically tried to put in Twilight references just for Crystal. Thanks, guys. Thanks.
00:45:08
Speaker
They love you too. I mean like, okay, so in the book at this point, so she like has this moment where she like turns into a dog and we're all like, okay, is this like really happening right now? Is she actually a dog?
00:45:20
Speaker
Is she really running around the streets as a dog? Or is she like dreaming? It's like, what's happening? She comes back home. She's covered in dirt. Her husband like comes in and he's like, what, what happened? She's like, I went on a walk.
00:45:34
Speaker
in the night and she's like covered in dirt she's taking a shower her husband loves it loves it loves that she's covered in dirt in the book he doesn't necessarily love that she's covered in dirt but he absolutely loves that she's embracing her yeah yeah her woman or whatever is that's what i mean but in the movie it looks like he's just like oh you're a dirty girl yeah yeah I was grossed out. In the book, I was not grossed out. In the movie, I was grossed out. but
00:46:05
Speaker
In the movie, he was – or in the book, he was specifically, like, doing it to, like, clean her off. Yeah. He gets in the shower to, like, help wash her hair, the dirt and twigs and the leaves and stuff out of her hair and, you know. Mm-hmm.
00:46:20
Speaker
It was, like, this, like – I don't know to describe it. he He was very bewitched and it felt very like magic vibes. And it was like this like primal moment almost.
00:46:33
Speaker
Yeah. And honestly, i kind of thought it was really cool in the book. yeah I thought it was really beautiful. look Like him truly... being in awe of her embracing night bitch this other part of her you know yeah and this is where in the book she's no longer even referring to herself as mother she's referring to herself as night bitch even during the day yeah and at this point her husband is like continuously leaving for work trips and stuff like that and mother and sons
00:47:04
Speaker
go full in with taking on the mannerisms of dogs. They're like eating raw meat. She, I think this is very interesting. They did not use a dog kennel in the movie.
00:47:19
Speaker
They use a dog kennel in the book. But she, and like she's been having a lot of issues with getting her son to go to sleep. But she finally gets her son to go to sleep by playing as doggies and gets her son to go to sleep in the dog kennel or in the movie in the dog bed.
00:47:40
Speaker
And she's like, this is how. And she actually tells her husband that she's doing this. She tells him and she's like, hello, like, this is how I'm getting sleep. Like, he likes it. He's going. He's doing it.
00:47:53
Speaker
Like, she's not like locking him in the dog kennel, but like. she He like goes in there and like lays down and pretends to play doggies, and he's finally going to sleep. She's getting sleep.
00:48:04
Speaker
Her son's getting sleep. And in the movie, he goes to bed in his little dog bed every night because he's playing doggies. And life starts to feel like a little, like you can tell in the movie and you could tell in the book, like she feels like she can like breathe.
00:48:20
Speaker
Life starts to feel a little easier as she's giving herself into this transformation of being a dog. um You can see it in Amy Adams expressions. You can see it in the book. And there's almost like something great about being so primal and not caring about work, not caring about art and just being at your base instincts.
00:48:43
Speaker
And she starts to feel like she's becoming almost like, I mean, she doesn't say this exactly, but you can kind of sense this in the book, in the movie, where she's like starting to feel like she's becoming a better mother.
00:48:58
Speaker
She's just going into these in full instincts of being a dog, which is interesting. Like her, i mean, being a dog, I say that as in like being like her basic feral self.
00:49:13
Speaker
But then being night bitch is also pushing her kind of to like be a better artist or be have the opportunity two click in with a creative part of herself.
00:49:30
Speaker
Finally. It's almost she's seeing things from a new perspective and that new perspective is inspiring. Yeah. It's really like she's embracing this night bitch part of her.
00:49:42
Speaker
She's becoming a better mother because of it. And so now she's starting to see life. And this is right about the point in the book too, where it goes from the boy to her son. Yeah.
00:49:58
Speaker
She's starting to embrace motherhood, but she's starting to embrace the parts of it that are more feral, that are more basic inst animal instinct.
00:50:09
Speaker
And that inspires her. to start doing art again. it it was really beautiful. Yeah. And Amy Adams, like in an interview, she specifically said that like Night Bitch becomes a manifestation of the base of mother, of her anger, her feral self that helps her tap back into her true self, which I thought was a really great way of putting it.
00:50:39
Speaker
She's like redefining our her identity and having a new transformation. Yeah, yeah so I think that that's interesting. I do think it's interesting that you know you have to go feral to finally be liberated.
00:50:56
Speaker
think she had to break free of a lot of the societal expectations. Yeah. It's the system makes you have to be that way. It It really is. and And to allow herself to...
00:51:10
Speaker
not be happy does that make sense because there's a lot of shame involved in motherhood when you're not doing it right when you don't feel that instant connection when you don't love your child through all of it you know and like those nights when you're not sleeping you're supposed to still be grateful well i haven't slept but four hours in the last three weeks you know yeah and And so it like at some point when she kind of allows herself to just – motherhood is gross and hard and exhausting and dirty and I don't have to smile through it all.
00:51:47
Speaker
And the minute she kind of embraces that part too, that anger and that just exhaustion, like, there's night, bitch. Yeah. It's pretty cool. She says one quote that really stuck with me, that she was like, it's so wild that – We, this being, like, mothers should be, like, these entities and these, like, gods because it's so wild that we fall in love with this being that literally, like, comes out of us and tries to, like, kill us.
00:52:20
Speaker
We make this. Yeah, we make this. It tries to kill us. Yep. And then love it. We love it. I mean, that's insane. very powerful thing in the movie when she's talking to the other moms about the power, like, are we gods? Yeah.
00:52:34
Speaker
Because we create life, like, Because that's not quite in the book. It was so beautiful in the movie. i Even I was just like, am am I a god? I am a god.
00:52:47
Speaker
yeah you know Yeah. Taking our power back. Absolutely. Yeah, I definitely, i't remember that scene for a long time. And I just keep thinking of that whole quote that she did.
00:53:01
Speaker
And that definitely stuck with me. Yeah, she, like, meets up with the other mothers and the kids, and she's just, like, now she's just being, like, 100% honest. Like, she's just, like, she's saying how it is.
00:53:15
Speaker
But also, this never, like, comes to anything really later, but she kind of, there's always, like, these three dogs that she's, like, running with and seeing all the time, and she smells one of the other mothers, and it kind of smells like one of the other dogs.
00:53:31
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But it never really, like, comes... No, it's hinted at......like a confirmation that they also are, like, running the streets as dogs as well.
00:53:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's hinted at that it's these other moms. Mm-hmm. But it's never fully revealed. Yeah. she She does ask the one mom at the party, the and MLM party.
00:53:57
Speaker
yeah ah She said, were you at the park the other day? and she's like, oh, no. ha it's Right. You don't really know if she's like, oh, no, you're silly. no I wasn't at the park. Or if she was like, no, moving on.
00:54:13
Speaker
yeah And I understand they had to cut it for time i'm in the movie and so they didn't put the MLM thing in there. But like I love that that was a part of the book because they do specifically target stay at home moms. They do like they um MLMs are predatory.
00:54:31
Speaker
They're awful. And I love that they kind of spell that out in the book in a way that is not like judgy of the moms who fall into that. You know, because these moms really are just looking for connection a lot of the time.
00:54:45
Speaker
In fact, it's it's almost like, hey, we see you. yeahre It's okay. You know? and I really liked that. Because, there again, that's another one of those that there's a lot of shame when you sign up for one of those and then you fail because you're going to fail. Like, I love that that was brought up in the book. I understand why they left it out of the movie, but I think it was another important piece. Yeah, definitely.
00:55:10
Speaker
Definitely. So then at this point in the movie, she does try to meet with her artist friends again, and it doesn't go well at all.
00:55:23
Speaker
Night Bitch makes an appearance at the dinner table. And when she's Night Bitch in public, well, like, I mean, she's Night Bitch because Night Bitch is Right. it' mother But um when she was going in, i was like, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, I'm so stressed out. What is she doing?
00:55:42
Speaker
When she was being full, like, as a dog mode, feral mode in the restaurant. And the author kind of talks about this in a couple interviews where she's just like, it just like came out when she's like writing. It's just like, this is just how, this is just who Night Bitch is. Like, she doesn't have control over who she's writing.
00:56:01
Speaker
a And um she's like, it was stressing me out too. And the part where she's like, I could crush a walnut with my vagina. And turns into a dog and runs into the street. Where did that come from? But okay. know.
00:56:17
Speaker
Like, good for Work. All right. it, girl.
00:56:23
Speaker
And so then her routine is now includes like running in the streets. Like we see like her routine as like her, as the mom, like that we saw like the montage in the beginning. Now that montage is now and it includes like her in her dog form, like running in the streets.
00:56:38
Speaker
And then, like, eventually at one point, we see her kill her pet cat. Sorry, Lindsay. Way worse in the book. Way worse way worse so bad in the book. So bad in the book. brutal in the book.
00:56:53
Speaker
So bad. Read it, and i was like, Lindsay, oh my gosh. Not again, Lindsay. But then she bonds with the other moms about this moment. Now, of course, she doesn't say, like, I...
00:57:06
Speaker
the way she killed the cat she just like mentions it like i killed the family cat and the other moms at first are like uh but then one of them's like killed the fish and another one's like I accidentally let the bird fly away yeah like another one of those like we're not supposed to talk about it we're not supposed to it admit it but again every mom has this experience of letting down the whole freaking family because we screwed up one time and the dog got loose and hit by a car or whatever it's awful it's horrible but they get to bond over this you know what i mean because she feels like she can say it
00:57:46
Speaker
now because she doesn't care what society thinks she's just gonna say whatever she's feeling and it yeah turns out that all these other moms have been holding this too you know and then one mom stepped on percy
00:57:59
Speaker
but gerbil yeah i'm not sure if it was gerbil we just have not had a good pet season i'm just saying literally this is the worst this has been the absolute worst when it comes to pets i've never read so many books season three no pets Well, we don't even know.
00:58:17
Speaker
They just come out of nowhere. They sure do. Horrible. So, like we said before, in the movie, there's a lot more conflict involved between mother and husband. She brings up how she wants to give, like we said, give up on her dream of being an artist and being...
00:58:35
Speaker
She wants to go full into like being a mom and her husband's just like, okay, I support you instead of like fighting for her to stick with her dreams. And she kind of resents that. And then they have like a really big blowout argument where he's like, what happened to my wife?
00:58:50
Speaker
And she's like, she died in childbirth. And that part really, that hit me big time. And they just have this really big blowout.
00:59:01
Speaker
And she's just like, I just need to have time on my own to, like, I want to figure myself off. She's just had this big transformation within herself. And they separate in the... This is all just in the movie. Because in the book, he's just... He's just along for the ride, honestly. He really is. And he, like, whenever she's out running the streets, he just, like...
00:59:25
Speaker
Helps her, washes her off. And it's like, he is along for the ride when it comes to, you know, their child playing doggy and acting like a dog. Yeah. And then she's like, you're going to do night nights from now on when you're home.
00:59:38
Speaker
Yeah. Like, i because I've got other stuff to do. And he's like, okay, sounds fair. but Yeah. He doesn't even argue. Yeah. But in... the movie so she like has she kind of eventually finds inspiration in creating an art show this is also in the book as well but in the movie the art show is just like a gallery of pieces it's just an installation it's a you know she fills a gallery with different pieces in the book it's performance art yeah
01:00:11
Speaker
Yeah, in the book, it's like psychedelic theater performance where she appears as a dog killing a rabbit on a mound of bones and presenting it to her son.
01:00:25
Speaker
And it's like the talk of like the town and my people are like, Not believing what they are seeing and things like that. And it's honestly- But it's like a sold out show type thing. Yeah.
01:00:40
Speaker
I had to read that whole part twice because I was like, what is going on? literally what is going on but in the movie it was just like paintings that she did like so sculpture work yeah some sculpture work and basically the husband like sees this and is like I can't believe I told you to give up on this let's get back together and she's like Okay.
01:01:05
Speaker
was like, boo. Like, this was dumb. Okay. So he gives a good, like, I was wrong. i failed you. i should have seen. i should i should have supported you more. i didn't realize how much was in you were missing out on. i didn't see it. And I'm sorry. That's on my bad.
01:01:25
Speaker
Now, i loved his apology. What I hated was that she was like, okay, we're back together now. like yeah Like, that's when you say thank you for seeing me.
01:01:37
Speaker
And then you move on. And then maybe, like, the next, you know, couple of weeks you start to regrow a relationship. But you don't just instantly start making out. Yeah. Because, like, it's going to happen again. Like, you're giving in too easily. You need to have some long, hard conversations. Yeah.
01:01:55
Speaker
That not just one apology. i don't know. Yeah. I agree. It was a good apology. Mm-hmm. Just – Yeah, they they reconcile and eventually have another child at the very end of the movie.
01:02:11
Speaker
And it's a daughter, which kind of like indicating like kind of starting a cycle again. Because we do get these flashbacks a lot through the movie of her mother you know, running off and kind of what we can see becoming a dog as well. And like, she has like this moment with her mother in her flashback saying like her mother's like, I'll always come back.
01:02:39
Speaker
And I think in seeing her having a daughter is kind of like showing that this cycle possibly going to be happening again. Well, at one point in one of the flashbacks, she says that like when she's doing her art and having a flashback of her mom, she's kind of saying that like, I wish if I could talk to you now, I would tell you to go go after your joy, not just for you, but for me too.
01:03:02
Speaker
And so this is going to like kind of break the cycle of letting Her daughter, like showing her daughter that you can be a mom and follow your joy. Yeah.
01:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. So Crystal and I kind of said our final verdicts already. i said movie. Crystal said book. Lindsay, what's your final verdict?
01:03:26
Speaker
Neither. I'm just kidding. him What? and No, no, I'm kidding. I'm probably going to go movie on this one. ah just for the visual representation and how well amy adams does absolutely amy adams is like you can you can feel her as mother she is mother she is night bitch absolutely yeah yeah and whereas i gave the book a five i would give the movie like a 4.5 you know what i mean it's not that it's really the only thing that i didn't like about the movie was the ah's the husband yeah
01:04:01
Speaker
Yeah, i I totally agree with that. I wish the husband relationship was represented how the book was versus the movie. Yeah. one hundred percent 100%.
01:04:11
Speaker
All right. so let's get to our question of the episode, which I'm so excited about. I'm so, so excited. Okay. So staying on theme of the book, I want each of us to share what breed of dog we think each of us would turn into we suddenly transformed into dogs.
01:04:31
Speaker
right, I want Crystal to go first because she is dying over here. She's losing it. And we have to explain why. okay. Wait, I'm going to start with Carrie. i I'm actually scared. I'm sweating. I'm scared. Okay, Carrie, I think you would be Staffordshire Terrier because, like a I've had one. So i I've had two, actually. I i know them really well.
01:04:54
Speaker
um And they are... slightly intimidating to look at now and then they have this look that tells you you're you fucked up but also they're the biggest softies in the world like like my one of mine was terrified of the smoke detector like if the battery died and it started to beep you'd find him hiding under the bed if there was a thunderstorm he'd be hiding in the closet Someone broke into my house once while we were home. they didn't break in. They just walked in. They were at the wrong address, which is a whole different story and really freaking weird. But either way, they took one look at my dog and they were like, oh, I'm out.
01:05:30
Speaker
But also, if he heard a rapper, he would come running from the other room. You know, like, also, if he didn't want to do something, he wasn't going to do it. Like, would we' I'd put him on his leash to take him out for a walk. And he, if, like, we get three steps down the sidewalk and he'd be like, no, not today. And he'd just sit down.
01:05:47
Speaker
And he was nothing but muscle, so I couldn't get it. like And that's how you are. Also, if he wanted something, he was gonna freaking get it Like, he spent four days chewing a wooden gate to get through to the other room.
01:06:06
Speaker
He used to, he opened, i like I took him to the kennel when I would you know, be out of town or whatever. And I board him at the kennel and he would bust out of the kennel to go lay against the other kennels to be by the dogs that he loved.
01:06:21
Speaker
Like he, if he wanted something, he was going to get it. If he didn't want to do something, he wasn't going to do it. And that's Carrie.
01:06:30
Speaker
Oh my God. love
01:06:35
Speaker
You're going to be so mad, but I have really good reasons. I think it's wonderful. Oh no.
01:06:41
Speaker
I think you're a ah miniature poodle. Oh, man. A poodle. Oh, man. Because listen, poodle, first of all, miniature.
01:06:52
Speaker
You're just small, girl. Sorry. But poodles are some of the, they're this one of the smartest breeds. um In fact, they're the most, like, they're super intelligent. They learn words really, really fast. They can usually remember more commands than just about any other breed.
01:07:09
Speaker
But they're rarely used as police dogs because of their maintenance. They like quite literally have boundaries that they are unwilling to negotiate like.
01:07:23
Speaker
ah They need nap time. They need their hair maintained a certain way. i was just jumped up on the counter was like, are you talking about bringing dogs this house? Fuzz is like, I don't think so.
01:07:34
Speaker
Fuzz. Now, if Fuzz were to turn into a dog. No, I'm kidding. I just didn't go that far. like But I just... i And also, like, poodles are super, super smart in that they they will remember and maintain social obligations really, really well, or social relationships really well, but they're very particular about who they'll be social with.
01:08:01
Speaker
and And I think that's super freaking smart. Super freaking smart. But also, like, if I don't get my nap time, I'm not hanging out with you guys.
01:08:13
Speaker
Like, if I don't get my downtime, like... I'm afraid of what you guys are going to say about me now. Okay, Lindsay, you go. Okay, but so I'm super indecisive, so I did mixed breeds, and I did some pretty abnormal mixed breeds. At least one's pretty abnormal.
01:08:33
Speaker
So, Carrie. Oh, no. I said you are a mix of Golden Retriever and Pomeranian.
01:08:46
Speaker
What?
01:08:49
Speaker
What does that even look like? It's my draw it up. I'll draw it up. ah So picked Golden Retriever because you are warm and kind-hearted and enthusiastic.
01:09:03
Speaker
And then I went with Pomeranian because- they she'll bite you? You're full of sass. You're opinionated. And you will absolutely fight someone.
01:09:16
Speaker
True. And Crystal, I went with German Shepherd Greyhound mix. Oh. What do these look like? I've never even seen this.
01:09:30
Speaker
but So German Shepherd because you're loyal, protective, and analytical. And Greyhound because you're elegant and fast thinking. You think I'm elegant?
01:09:43
Speaker
I got sassy.
01:09:50
Speaker
Okay. all right. I'll start with Crystal. picked a Husky for Crystal. i said, Vocal never... had to look these up because I don't know dog breeds.
01:10:06
Speaker
So i had to really I had to do a lot of research on this one. Vocal never afraid to tell you ah her opinions. True. Smart and independent thinker. Because, you know, those hucks Huskies, they be telling you their opinions.
01:10:20
Speaker
All right. Smart and independent thinker. Because they, you know, they're very independent. But also, they're also very social. They're also very good in like a pack setting.
01:10:33
Speaker
do a pack. Yeah. So, that's what I said for Crystal. Lindsay, i said Sheltie. Because you're quick to adapt, super smart and empathetic, and they they form close bonds to those they care about but shy towards strangers.
01:10:53
Speaker
They are best around love, structure, and peace and quiet. And they like mental exercise over physical activity.
01:11:06
Speaker
That's the one that got read You know? oh i think you nailed it flip There you go. There you go. All right, that's a wrap on Night Bitch. Whether you saw it as a tale of transformation, liberation, or an intense fever dream, one thing's for sure, it leaves a mark.
01:11:26
Speaker
If this episode stirred something primal in you, share, rate, and review, or feel free to reach out to us on our social medias linked in the description. Until next time, stay wild, stay weird, and never ignore the animal within.
01:11:42
Speaker
We will see you in the next chapter of Based on a Book. Bye.