Introduction and Excitement for 'Fifty Shades Darker'
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Welcome back to Based on a Book. In the last episode of Next Chapter November, I'm Carrie and my inner goddess is Fifty Shades of Dun.
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I'm Lindsay and I did not expect this book to turn into Lord of the Rings fanfic. I'm Crystal. I cannot wait to talk about Snow Queen Ice Dragon's dramatic sequel.
Recap of Previous Season and Cliffhanger
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We've reached our final title of the month, and what a steamy finale it is. Last season, we started eo James' Fifty Shades trilogy with Fifty Shades of Grey, and today we're diving into Fifty Shades Darker in its 2017 adaptation starring Dakota Johnson and damie Jamie Dornan. If you haven't already...
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Check out our first episode where we dive into the first book of the series. We'll be sharing our full thoughts and feelings in this episode, which will include some spoilers of the first book throughout the episode, including the mini recap that I'm about to read.
Ratings and Impact of Subplots
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Last season... We left off on a pretty big cliffhanger where after Anna agrees to some of Christian's terms and their new relationships, our new relationship, things take a turn and punishments go too far, leading Anna to skedaddle.
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Literally, the last scene is going down an elevator and leaving Christian, and that's where we left off. Fifty Shades Darker is picking up right where we left off, Right where we left off. Literally right where we left Where the sequel explores the complicated relationship between these two characters exploring themes of trust trauma, and emotional vulnerability as Anna and Christian attempt to rebuild their relationship while facing new challenges, secrets, and unexpected dangers.
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Before we get into breaking those down and whether the movie got it right changed anything, let's talk book ratings. And both of you, this is the first time you've read this, right? First time you've read the sequel.
Criticism of Sequel's Tone and Sex Scenes
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Okay, so this is fresh ratings. This is a reread for me. so And we have not talked about our feelings on this sequel whatsoever. we know how we felt about the first one.
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See that in the first episode of this series. But curious how you both think. I want to start with Lindsay. I knew you were going to start with me because I'm second guessing my rating now.
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I'm so excited. I'm so excited. So I rated this book but three wantons.
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Okay. Okay. And I know I keep saying this, but there was literally so much going on in the story. Like, we had five subplots in this one book.
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So maybe if I was able to, like, focus on one storyline a little bit more, I probably would have rated it a little higher. But yeah, I gave it a three. Okay. Crystal?
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No, thank you. no You better go! i I okay so the first book was so bad it was good like it because it was so bad it was enjoyable and you knew it was going to be cheesy and you knew it was kind of you know off the wall and I enjoyed it I didn't rate it highly but I did enjoy the read this one just didn't hit for me at all like it was so bad it was still bad and I gave it one and a half neckties because I'm honestly just sick of neckties at this point okay yeah yeah I just didn't find this as fun as the first one was and really fun was like to me it's big redeeming quality and it kind of isn't there in this one
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ah Okay. Okay. So when I read this the first time, I've said this before, first episode, read this entire series. I was obsessed, loved it.
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And, you know, because this was like the first, honestly, my very first introduction to erotica, spicy romance at the time. This is my very first time rereading it.
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Read a decent amount of spicy romance since then.
Revising Content for Modern Sensibilities
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I gave this, upon reread, two and a half scoops of vanilla ice cream.
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Okay. This, I'm not going to lie, this was a pretty big disappointment. I'm not going to lie. i did not like this book.
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No, okay. We've been talking all month long about how excited we were to read our books. All of these books. But like really, this one was the one that we were the most excited about because we knew it was the most fun. Because, you know, you know Catching Fire is very heavy. Subtle Knife was really heavy. So we were like, okay, this is going to be like... pretty chill, you know, like, it's just gonna be something like a guilty pleasure type. yeah And it didn't hit that for me. And I'm so mad because I really want that, which is so I'm like binge reading some really random other stuff trying to get that fun read without the heavy without the, you know, dystopian anything happening. I got enough of that in reality. And I was so looking forward to this one taking me out of reality. and
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It didn't. It just didn't. I feel like right in the middle of both of you, like there was like, I like all the extra stuff that was kind of going on in this one because the stuff between them was so freaking boring.
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Like the stuff between them wasn't good. So I kind of needed the million subplots that were happening. Their relationship development, like I noticed was like,
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That great. And, you know, we're going get into the spoilery bits later and get more into it. But i just was hoping for a lot more. And I'm very disappointed. And hot take, you know, i mean, maybe not a hot take because I'm pretty sure this is a very common opinion. It's not written very well. It's actually now written extremely poorly.
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Like it's not very good. I haven't looked up any other reviews because legitimately I don't care what other people think about a book or whatever. you know, it's either well-written or it's not. But this might actually be a hot take.
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I think there's too many spicy scenes in this book. There's literally... Every other page. Every other page. For pages and pages and pages. Yeah. And not... Because, like, I love me some erotica. I love me some spice.
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But I feel like... This was spice for no reason. It didn't add anything to their relationship. It didn't uncover anything new. It wasn't there wasn't even like yearning and build up. It was just spicy scene after spicy scene after spicy scene, long drawn out spicy like to the point where I kind of was bored with it.
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And that is not, I don't want to feel bored reading some of this spicy stuff. I want it to be fun and exciting. And it was, I was fast forwarding through of parts of the audio book and skipping pages in my physical copy because was like, yep. Okay. They're still doing it. Yep. Okay. They're still doing it. Like whatever. can we get to the plot, please? yeah Any plot at all at this point.
'Fifty Shades Darker' Movie Adaptation Discussion
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Yeah. I have like some theories about why that is but I want to wait till we get to like our little spoilery section. Because, I mean, that is the main purpose, our main part of this entire book is their sexual relationship.
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But I'm curious, what did you think, Lindsay? Did you think there were too many spicy scenes in it? There were, yeah, there were too many. And then, not that the scene itself was inappropriate, but I felt like the timing was inappropriate. And I don't want to say too much because it it'll spoil one of the subplots. But there's something traumatic that happens. And then immediately, there's a spicy scene right after. Oh, yeah.
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I mean, i think that happens with every single traumatic situation that happens in this entire book. That that is their coping skills. Yep. That is their their emotional coping skill yeah is sex. Yeah. And something I did notice, um because I, you know, when I, especially when I'm hosting one of these or picking a title, I like to kind of jump around formats. I've jumped like the Kindle, ebook.
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the audio, physical copy, just to see which one I'm like grasping onto. Cause sometimes i have like a better experience, reading experience with one versus the other. Something I noticed in this one, which I kind of talked to you guys about this before that E.L. James, the me has made like edits and stuff to the ebook version where I was listening to the audio and there's like this one quote that says, I think it's during like the masquerade part where it's like, now gentlemen pray gather around and take a good look at these lovely ladies who have generously volunteered to be yours for the first dance or something.
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And when I'm listening to it and I see the physical copy, it says something about wenches. It's like 12 wenches are here too, or 12 compliant wenches or something. And if you look at the Kindle, the ebook version, it's removed.
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And that's been like something that's like very common that's been happening lately where authors are, know, or whoever books, the estate of those books have been, you know, reviewing and revising books where things that, you know, we maybe had said like maybe in like the early 2000s. I mean, this was published, I think, in 2012. But you know, at a different time where like language is changing and we don't really feel comfortable saying it now. But I was like, because I don't know if you guys noticed this, but like, I feel like the word wenches was in here like a hundred times in this book. It was. It was in here so much. And like where Christian was like c saying, like just making a joke, like saying like, make me food wench or something like that. And, but this specific line was removed. And another one that's like coming to my head is like Roald Dahl's revision like controversy where like sensitivity readers were hired to remove a lot of stuff from his books um Lisa Kleypas has done this removing a lot of things from her historical romances that may seem problematic now that were written before and I'm curious what you both think of that about removing content that you wrote you wrote before but now you might just want to remove it now i mean I feel like
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there's i think it's a good thing to review and acknowledge where like times have changed I have grown as a person i see now that this is not what I meant for it to mean or this was not the intent I had or whatever it is I think it's important to do that um you know And now we we live in a publishing world where we have alpha readers, beta readers, arcs go out. And so you have multiple opportunities to edit and change and see how your material is going to be viewed. and make those changes before stuff goes to print, you know, long before it goes to print. Where, you know, 50 years ago, that wasn't really a thing like, yeah, you had your publishers and your editors read it, but you didn't necessarily have teams of beta readers, you know.
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And so I can kind of see it. But there's also another part of me that's like, you know, stand by what you said. You know, maybe maybe send out a statement saying that, like, if I wrote this now, it wouldn't be quite like that. But don't change it.
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But also, I respect the shade. I don't know. It's a very it's a very gray area. There's 50 shades of them in this one, actually.
Character Development: Book vs. Movie
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Yeah. But I so I kind of I get it. But also, you know, and especially like if you're changing the storyline, if we're just changing a line here because it was said in jest, but it didn't have the impact you wanted, I guess, fine, whatever. But if we're like changing, you know, a character's personality, you know, or something that's a little bit different.
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Yeah. Lindsay, what about you? What do you think? Yeah, I'm a little torn on it because clearly you're not going to be able to change all of it everywhere. There's going to be remnants of it somewhere.
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But I think at least acknowledging that things have changed, we're growing as a society, and then going forward, you know, progressing and getting better with what you're saying. You know, I don't think you necessarily have to go back and change what you've written before.
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just change what you're writing now. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, I think, you know, there's probably times where like, you look back on like things that you wrote as an author before, and that you may have thought was okay then. And then you look back now, because you know, you've grown up, you've encountered different things, and you know, language changes, things that were okay to say back then are definitely not okay to say now. And then you're like, oh, I'm cringing.
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I'm cringing bad reading that line. And I'm just going to remove that in in the easier way that I can do that, the easiest way I can do that. And I totally get that. I mean, I think I don't see anything wrong with doing that.
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But yeah, I think what you said, Crystal, is, you know, that's definitely pretty accurate where we have like, I believe it's like there's much bigger teams now whenever you're like getting, you know, i mean, we've got like sensitivity readers, we've got arc readers, we've got, you know, ah much bigger teams that when publishing a book. And I think that's pretty cool.
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but yeah So now we're going to get into the spoiler section of our episode. So from here on out, this is the spoiler zone for Fifty Shades Darker and its film adaptation where we will be discussing key plot points, character relationships, and major events in detail. Additionally, please note that this series includes mature themes.
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Very mature. Very Very mature. Probably the most mature that we cover on this podcast, including sexual content, BDSM, emotional manipulation, and trauma.
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Listener discretion is advised, especially for those who may find these topics triggering. First, I want to move kind of a little bit into the movie background. After the first movie was released in 2015,
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There was a lot of anticipation for this release. Even though like people like kind of like made fun of it a little bit. People wanted the sequel. like They were like, we need a sequel. you know Hence why the sequel was in development quick.
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literally hiring directors later that year for both sequels, Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed, to be shot back-to-back in 2016. I believe Fifty Shades Freed got delayed, but that was like the ultimate goal and everyone was on board with it.
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But the sequels did take a new direction as they changed directors, where this one was directed by James Foley. The original films director film's director, Sam Taylor Johnson, so the first director, chose not to return to the franchise, allegedly having not-so-great relationship with the author, E.L. James.
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Not the best. i read a lot of interviews and kind of like she seems to avoid the topic a lot. So I find that interesting.
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A lot of clashing in the first movie. Even the new director, James Foley, took that into account when working on the new movies, knowing there was, you know, friction making the first movie, ensuring that he had a good connection with the author as she was like on set all the time.
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And I was wondering if either of you kind of noticed the change. Like sometimes I feel like
Anna's Emotional Journey Post-Breakup
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you can notice in the movie Where the when you when the chemistry is different from the actors, I feel like that's reflecting the relationship outside of the movie. And I feel like there's a difference in the second movie.
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What do you both think? Huge difference. In the way they they react to each other. in like the Like you said, the chemistry. The chemistry between Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan is...
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warmer there's a little bit more spark I think yeah there's a little bit more focus on one of the subplots mm-hmm yeah Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think there seems to be a better relationship between the two. And not just because of how the plot is going. It just feels that way between the actors. Like, I can't really describe it. Right.
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i I remember saying this in the first episode where I was like, this one feels like awkward. Like Jamie kind of feels goofy. Remember I kept saying that in the first one? He feels goofy in this first movie. But I know I remember in the second movie he had a change of like attitude. it thought There's almost more confidence. Yes. Yeah.
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I also read that he had more time to prepare for the role for the second one. Like even physically, he was able to get better, get in better shape. And I feel like he had more preparation time.
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And he was showing that body. Okay. Boy, wasn't he? Showing that he was in shape. Okay. And they, you know, they made sure to show that. And it was great.
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Not mad about it. Yeah. The film made some great revenue, but the reviews were terrible. You know, the second movie, the reviews were terrible, even though it made a lot, which, you know, doesn't really surprise me. It kind of like has the same result as the first one, but they're like, we're still going to keep pushing. We don't care. You know, we're still going. And regarding their performances, receiving worst picture, worst actor, worst actress, and more at the Golden Raspberry Awards.
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But we did get a lot of nominations for the soundtrack, including Best Original Song with I Don't Want to Live Forever by Taylor Swift and Zane. We got an iconic song out of that, that's really great.
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But getting into the story, so with the book and the movie, we left off in the first one with a breakup, like I said. And this is Anna's first relationship, and she's sick over it. Like, she's sick.
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And she can't, eat like, honestly, this was, like, super relatable. Like, where you're so sick over a breakup that you can't even hear music and can't even listen to music. When she said that, I was like, I felt that.
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I know exactly, like, what that means and what that is.
Subplots and Emotional Impact: Movie vs. Book
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Where, like, I don't even want to hear a song. Like, I can't even hear a song. Like it hurts me. For me, it was when she realized after like days that she hadn't gotten any phone calls or messages from anyone. And but she didn't realize it for days. That that hit for me. Bad breakup. And you just turn inward so much. You don't even realize you've cut yourself off from everyone. Mm-hmm.
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Like, she's not eating. She's not taking care of herself. Like, you know, we know, what like, what kind of state that she's in. And like I said, this is our first, like, relationship. And, like, what a freaking insane relationship to start off with. Like, damn.
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Jump right into the deep end. Yeah. So, she's going through it right now. But very quickly, right off the bat into this book... you know, Anna and Christian are meeting, you know, she okay she has, she has no, she doesn't stand up to it at all. She's like, yeah, okay.
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I'm, I, knowing that this was Twilight fanfic originally in my mind, I'm like, okay, second book, they're going to be a part a lot. She's going to go through it.
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They were apart for five days. Five days. she's like this She's like this. It's a possibility. like And let me tell you. Five days. And they were both like.
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My whole world fell apart. and i looked like It's less than a week folks. Calm down. And he's like sending her flowers and stuff. He was kind of like. Being like I'm still here. Yeah.
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And then his whole like. I'm just trying to, you know, if you need a ride, because I know you might need a ride. Like, come on You're trying to get her back. We all know it. Don't play that. I'm just being nice crap. Yeah.
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And they are meeting immediately. And he's like, I want you back and want to renegotiate terms. Because, you know, they had like their whole contract in the first one. And, you know, we all know that went to absolute crap.
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there's um At the art exhibit, is she wearing the same dress that she wore in the first movie when they first negotiated the contract? I thought that too. I don't know. Maybe.
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Possibly. i thought it was, but I wasn't certain on that. I like I like how they do it in the movie better or more than they do it in the book where she actually is at this exhibit on her own. So she she's like going to her friend's exhibit, like looking at everything. Really weird that she has all these pictures up, by the way, like of her. Not creepy at all. Yeah. And um she's like, oh, this is weird. This is very strange. All these pictures of me up that you're selling and didn't tell me about. Also, like, where's my cut, first of all? Right. Anyways.
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And he's like, oh, somebody bought all all these pictures of you to have in your house. I would be scared. I'd be like, what
Excessive Sex Scenes: Impact on Story
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are you talking about? A stranger bought all these pictures of me? And they're, like, just, like, regular portraits that you look like you got at, like, a C-Venny or something. Senior photos. Yeah. These are not...
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Like, they're nothing crazy. And then, you know, Christian is there. He bought all this stuff. But in the book, he, like, emails her and he's like, I know that you need to go to this event. And I know you don't have a way to get there. So we're going to go together, right? Yeah.
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my I think my favorite part of of the movie compared to the book is that we're not doing the email bullshit. It's text messages. Yeah. Yeah. I'm over the email. I'm over the email. And if you're listening to the audio book, they read every single thing. We're subject line from...
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two subject line blah blah blah i was gonna say that because when i started this i i started the ebook i was reading it and then i switched to audio and then she was let me let me just say i hate the audiobook it's horrible i hate the audiobook horrible yeah and she's reading the emails and every time it got to an email i got so upset was yeah I was so mad. i was like, stop reading it all. I don't care what time it is. i didn't even pay attention to the time when I read it. Yeah. No one cares about that.
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So bad. But after they meet, he's like, I want to renegotiate terms. There's hesitation. But now we're getting into this story where Anna and Christian are getting back together and navigating this relationship where it's conflicts within their relationship, but also conflicts with outside sources that affect their relationship overall.
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And that's like kind of where this story starts to go. But like I feel like the that even the internal conflicts within their relationship are them making mountains out of molehills every single time. Because Anna will be like, hey, I need to think about this. we Don't leave me.
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like Yeah. Calm down. calm down i did forget one of like the biggest icks right at the beginning is when she is at the art show and christian is there and it's in the book it's not in the movie but in the book she's going to tell jose goodbye and she wants to make christian jealous and she kind of like gets all flirty with jose like kisses him on the cheek stuff Yeah, that was, that was, and then he brings it up when they're eating dinner.
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And he was like, how could you do that to your friend when you know he has feelings for you? And she was like, oh yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah. Yeah, something that I think is a really huge difference overall in the book and the movie is just Christian and Anna as people.
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You know, Dakota Johnson makes, in the movie, makes Anna feel, in my opinion, more realistic as a human being. Yes. but We see more, I think, more character development in the movie, almost. like she Like I said, I think, in the first one, I think she kind of stays the same in the first movie, where she brings a little humor into her character with her little, like, one-liners and stuff. Yeah.
Christian's Controlling Behavior: Book vs. Movie
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But we see a huge change in Jamie's character in the book versus the movie. Huge. jamie's care like Jamie's character in the movie, like i was like, I know what you guys are doing.
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like i literally I was like, I know what you guys are doing. Because in the book... Like, we're only on the second book, and he is doing his very first relationship where he's like, let's renegotiate. Let's try this without the contract, without the terms. Let's try a quote, vanilla relationship.
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What he calls vanilla. And, you know, nothing that's requiring, quote, safe words. No rules. Let's be casual. What he thinks is casual. And in the book, this takes time for him to understand. And he's still like a controlling jerk. And he's still doing a lot of things that is like what he would do in the first book.
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Yeah. In the movie, he almost appears to be doing almost 180. Yeah. like like he's doing like a one a 150 okay like he is almost doing when he still has his controlling tendencies but he's like all of a sudden a changed man it feels like where it's almost and like it's unrealistic compared to the book and i also noticed like his character like they're making him seem more approachable in the movie where They're giving him scruff, you know, where he has scruff the entire movie. He's not clean shaven. He's kind of looking like a little worn almost. He's got, he doesn't wear his suits all the time. He looks more casual and fun. think the scruff was Jamie's decision. Yeah. i And it's having an effect though. It's like having an effect on his character overall. I mean, what do you guys think?
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Do you agree? Disagree? I agree. Yeah, they're very different. In the book, I was so sick and tired of him constantly like, don't leave me. Or Anna would do something and she would be like, what's your problem? Well, you left me once. And it was like...
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super childish and it is brought up in the book that like he revert he's never had to have this kind of relationship he is like a child in this it was really freaking annoying but in the movie he's very much more self-assured we don't see anything about like him going to his therapist or you know getting any mental mental health counseling or anything like that it's not brought up or talked about in this movie at all that i can remember Oh, yeah. Was Dr. Flynn? Dr. Flynn's not in the movie, is he? I don't think so. He's not even he's not even a character in there.
00:30:52
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Yeah. You know, and so like, we see a man who almost doesn't need any sort of mental health counseling or you know what I mean Versus in the book where he is definitely in counseling.
00:31:08
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Yeah. I don't know which one I like more, as in I really like his character in the movie a lot more in general, but i understand the book a little more in the sense of like,
00:31:25
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This feels a little more realistic where it can't be fixed this quickly. It's not an immediate change. Right. Yeah. This should be like a slow development over time. Like he didn't change in the past like week that you guys broke up.
00:31:42
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Five days Yeah. Five days. Yeah. Where like it's like it needs... It's her first relationship, but it kind of also is his first relationship.
00:31:54
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But they just have different paths of how to deal with that. And it's interesting. And it's basically that's what this whole series is, is how they're going to navigate this.
00:32:09
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But, you know, there's also an additional conflict. Like I said, they want, he's like, we're just going to this vanilla relationship. You know what I mean? But there's this conflict whether this is enough for Christian, you know?
00:32:25
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And that's kind of like Anna's insecurities coming into this relationship. She's like, is this going to be enough for you based on what we just dealt with in this last book?
00:32:39
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And Anna being like, well, I kind of like the other stuff, too, that we were doing. I kind of like that, too. and But i just want you to, like, be yourself with your cute relationship stuff. But also, I do like the kinky stuff.
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But there's like a lot of conflict between it being enough for Christian versus Anna being like, well, i kind of like, you know, this kinky stuff.
Introduction of Layla and Added Suspense
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And so they're kind of fighting that balance between, you know, him feeling... you know, that way. And then also her being like, well, we can still do the things that you liked before. Just I still want to do the relationship part of this entire thing. And I don't want the rules and the contract and all that stuff. And Christian's like, huh? Like, I don't understand. So something, like I said before, that I don't really like about this book is the 1000 sex scenes. And this is like the spoilery thing that I kind of want to get into.
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Like, I'm no prude. I love a spicy scene. Okay. we The three of us love a spicy scene. We need to reading our spicy romance books. But in this book, solving every issue with a sex scene is exhausting. Okay. Okay.
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like I'm exhausted. like I know y'all are exhausted. I'm exhausted. Anna Christian's gotta be exhausted. I also want to talk about like Anna was a virgin when we met her in the first book. This is her first sexual relationship.
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It's been her only sexual relationship to date. And they be having sex so many times a day. i don't think I don't, I mean, maybe i'm maybe I am more vanilla than I thought I was because I'm over here like, nah, you gotta draw the line somewhere. Your body can't do that. You said wrap it up. Like, your body can't do that, you know?
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Especially, like, fresh in it. Like, she's fresh in it. They've been in this relationship with each other total, what, two months now? Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah.
Jack Hyde: Antagonist's Influence
00:35:01
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I think that ah when I'm reading these spicy romance books a lot, where I'm like, oh, aren't you tired?
00:35:07
Speaker
I'm saying. And this is this is exceptionally, like, they had breakfast before they got, or they had sex before they got out of bed and had breakfast. And then they had sex after breakfast. And then they got ready to go out for lunch, but they had sex before they got ready. And then they were having like foreplay weird spicy stuff during lunch while no one was looking. And under the table. You know what i mean? Like it was just like constant. It was constant. And and I'm thinking like your body must be raw right now.
00:35:46
Speaker
Because legit, we don't, I mean, i can't, I just can't imagine constant all day long every single day yeah over and over and over. right Yeah.
00:35:58
Speaker
No, absolutely It's to me. And people could say, like, this is what I was kind of talking about earlier. It's like, I think people want to say that The reason why there's so many sex scenes is it's because like that's Christian's character. And maybe that's part of the development in his character is that he thinks he needs to solve every issue with sex. But I don't think that this book is that smart. I really don't. I don't think it's that smart. I think i it's just like we're going to write erotica and we're writing a lot of spicy scenes. I really do feel that way.
00:36:33
Speaker
This is what the people wanted. This is what the people are going get. Exactly. exactly i really feel that way. but speak is Speaking of the spicy scenes, though, there was the scene in the elevator when they were at the restaurant.
00:36:47
Speaker
You cannot tell me that those people in the elevator had no idea what was going on. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, they all know. They all know. Immediately, would have clocked in. I would been like...
00:36:59
Speaker
Turned around. I would have turned around and been like, hello? They were all being polite, not turning around. I would have turned around. Because especially in the movie when Dakota Johnson is breathing in that woman's ear. I'd be like, why are you breathing so hard?
00:37:15
Speaker
It was so obvious. It was so obvious. Like, no. yeah i would i I'm with Carrie. I would have turned my ass around and been like, oh, y'all want an audience? but Yeah. While I'm here, like I'm just trying to like go about my day.
00:37:30
Speaker
I'd be like, I picked the right elevator. but Okay, I got a show. you want this on TikTok? Have what she's having. Exactly. And for every sex scene in the like for every sex scene in the movie, times it by like 100. And it's in the book. yeah like Literally, for every sex scene, times that by 100. And that's how many sex scenes are in the book. i felt like just...
00:37:59
Speaker
Christian's personality in the book is just lacking because he had like a one track mind and it's just very frustrating. But I just, I don't feel that way about his character in the movie. And I think that's why I like to gravitate towards the movie a little bit more. And first of all, why was this book over 500 pages? Because of the sex.
00:38:24
Speaker
That is crazy work. 280 pages of sex That is crazy work. There were actually extra sex scenes filmed for the movie that took like hours, like, oh, I think a week for one of the scenes. I think it was the pool table scene. They actually filmed that. And that wasn't even in the movie.
00:38:46
Speaker
And they were like disappointed about it. They're like, wow, can you imagine? Can you imagine? Like you do so much work to film sex scenes. Very intimate, intimate scenes.
00:38:58
Speaker
And then they're like, yeah, we're going to put that in there. That'd horrible. so another thing that they are battling within their relationship, like I've said before, is Christians control issues.
00:39:15
Speaker
He is still has major issues in the relationship in the book. I feel like it's much less in the movie, but it's still present. It simmers down a bit. There's still a lot of jealousy and trying to control things she's doing, but he is kind of the worst in the book. I'm not going to lie, in my opinion. Yep.
00:39:36
Speaker
I think they take a lot less aggressive route in the movie. What do you guys think? Yeah, 100%. I just keep thinking about the scene in the book where she wants to go to New York with her boss.
00:39:54
Speaker
And the extremes that he goes to in the book so that she cannot go on this trip. Yes. Yep. Are you know buying the company that she works at.
00:40:05
Speaker
You know, mean, yeah, pretty extreme. And he does that in the book and the movie. And he, you know, claiming that he's wanting to get into publishing. But we all know why he's buying the company. Yeah. Jealousy of going to New York. They kept it in the movie, knowing her bank account information based on the background check he did on her um when she was submissive.
00:40:32
Speaker
Whenever he first found her. I mean, knowing your bank account information and be like, transfer $24,000 into account. I mean... i don't know why she kept arguing about it. why wouldn't be that mad about that.
00:40:46
Speaker
But i I don't know if I like someone having my bank account information that shouldn't be having it. But I'm also not upset $24,000 going into my bank account. So, there is that.
00:41:00
Speaker
Also, something that is not in the movie that is... In the book, we don't have any like contraception conversations in the movie.
00:41:12
Speaker
And honestly, any conversations surrounding his controlling nature over birth control, that's in the book. There's a lot of conversations about him you know forcing her to be on birth control and in the book. And they do not they don't even talk about you know any type of protection in the movie or even kind of insinuate it whatsoever.
00:41:35
Speaker
Which I think is interesting. But like I've said before, there are a lot of outside forces that come into effect their relationship. And like Lindsay said, the plot, we got a lot of subplots going on. Okay.
00:41:54
Speaker
So major plot points in both the book and the movie. I like that they keep all three of these major things in here. um In
Mrs. Robinson's Disruption of Relationships
00:42:02
Speaker
the movie. um But it's kind of making the story. Turn a little sinister. little thriller like. If you will.
00:42:12
Speaker
Even with the point of like. Christian going missing. In his helicopter for a little bit. When he's like. That's the subplot that just like. Sent me over.
00:42:24
Speaker
cannot believe. That this subplot was in the book.
00:42:31
Speaker
ah loves I love a thriller. so Little knows, too. She was upset, too. I was listening to the audiobook. She heard it. yeah It was what is so out of place. like It just was shocking because this is not something that... it didn't It felt like it didn't fit within the story. I think it's going to come up.
00:42:53
Speaker
I mean, I can tell. yeah I can tell what's going on, but at the same time, it was just like, wait. Helicopter crash. Where... Okay. Yeah.
00:43:03
Speaker
I mean, you had no hints until the very end as to why it happened or how it happened. like Right. You can kind of tell when he's talking to his dad and his dad's like, wait, both engines? is How is that possible? Is that a thing? And you're like, hmm, he's questioning it Right.
00:43:21
Speaker
That's a red flag. There's something yeah going on. And then, you know, it's confirmed at the very end. I love when these romance series like go so freaking unhinged because, you know, when you have like a romance series following one relationship, it can get kind of boring where when you don't have outside forces trying to like affect things. And it almost like a lot of the time will get like a suspense plot thrown in there.
00:43:49
Speaker
To make it go on like a roller coaster. And it always cracks me up when this kind of stuff happens. But another little subplot we got going on Layla. Layla is a former submissive of Christian's who becomes basically like a stalker in this story after her husband dies in a car crash and becomes obsessed with Christian and Anna's relationship.
00:44:15
Speaker
She wanted more from Christian at the time that they were together and apparently he didn't. So she's upset of what Christian and Anna now currently have because she's seeing it in the public and all this stuff and is unable to move on from that.
00:44:34
Speaker
And Christian describes her as being very emotionally unstable, but it's kind of hiding it from Anna and trying to take care of it on the side to not worry her about it.
00:44:45
Speaker
He has, i mean, he, he kind of has like, good intentions, I guess, of wanting to get her help without involving like any type of authorities or anything like that.
00:45:00
Speaker
But the movie makes it a little more creepy. Yeah. By like sprinkling her in more of this lady like randomly watching her. like Right off the bat, right when the movie starts, yeah it's like a she's like riding the bus like thinking of Christian.
00:45:16
Speaker
Sad, lonely, depressed. Yeah. And there's ah there's a yeah yeah that's the a lady. Jump scare. There's a lady behind her. Staring at her. And like it's kind of like getting this weird like suspense thing happening in here.
00:45:35
Speaker
But it brings out more of you know Christian's controlling vibes again. Because he's freaking about freaking out about her safety. Especially when Layla is out here breaking into...
00:45:48
Speaker
His place. In the book. This doesn't happen in the movie. I think she actually breaks into Anna's place. Like she kind of sees her for a second. Or something. But she thinks it's like a dream maybe. Yeah when they're sleeping.
00:46:02
Speaker
But in the book. She actually ends up breaking into His place. Something that actually made me laugh in the book. Because honestly this would be me.
00:46:14
Speaker
Okay. The whole entire part. Where. He is, like, freaking out, right? Because, you know, Anna saw her, thought her, she saw her break into the place and, like, he's trying to get her out of the apartment and they're trying to hurry up and leave and notice, you know, the car is completely... demolished and um they think that it's because of like Layla and stuff and she it's like how would she know it's my car and he's like because I used to always buy like my submissives the same car and then like literally everything is going to crap and like your life is on he's thinking your life is on the line and like they're trying to hurry up like because there's like an intruder in the house and she's like Lily like do you even love me even like me
00:47:05
Speaker
I mean, like but they do this, but do you even like me? Like, dude, we got all the crap going on right now. i've i will say they worked it into the into the book a lot more that like he kept treating her like he trade treated all his submissives, like the same the same salon, having the same personal shopper looking for clothes for them, like putting her in the same room, all her stuff in the same room, buying her the same kind of car, the same kind of phone. Like it's but it's it's like he has a way that he's always dealt with women and he doesn't know any other way. And she's like, I thought you said I was different. So why do you keep treating me the same?
00:47:47
Speaker
Yeah. know And that was definitely super present in the book and not at all in the movie. Yeah. Really. I think the only thing it really touched on that I noticed was whenever he was explaining the, he finally reveals about the Layla situation and shows her like a background check on her. And she's like, is there one on me?
00:48:11
Speaker
And like, he shows her the background check on her and she's kind of like clicking that, how it feels like she's just like, right. Oh, the everyone else that he's been with. And she doesn't like that.
00:48:25
Speaker
I do want to say, I think the most unrealistic part of this movie is the fact that she had that iPhone and it wasn't in a case. Right? The whole time I was like, girl, he couldn't afford to get you like an Otterbox or something? don't know. With that $24,000 your bank account now?
00:48:46
Speaker
come on There's no case. There's no screen protector. That thing would be broken in like two days. Like yeah rose gold, like iPhone 7. don't know what it was. But like it was a nice looking freaking phone.
00:49:00
Speaker
No case. Yeah. But he's protective. Yeah. None of that phone. Uh-uh. Eventually though, Anna shows up at her own apartment and Layla is there with a gun.
00:49:12
Speaker
And when Christian comes in, some weird stuff goes down. I want to talk about this part a little bit. of This part... i I remember seeing this for the first time and being like, what in the hell is going on?
00:49:38
Speaker
Basically, so whenever
Resolution and Conclusion of Narratives
00:49:41
Speaker
they encounter each other, Layla and Anna... And Christian comes barging into the apartment.
00:49:50
Speaker
He has this, like, moment with Layla to get her to, you know, drop the weapon and everything. and it it like, they have this moment together of him, her being his submissive.
00:50:08
Speaker
Having her kneel and things like that. It's like... The way that it's in the book, like I'm curious what you guys think of the difference between how the book does it and the movie does it. Because we're also missing an entire character here, which is Ethan, her friend's brother.
00:50:25
Speaker
Because the reason why she's in there is because she's supposed to be helping him stay there for the night or something. And she, like Christian's like, you, Anna, you need to leave because I need to handle this. Like you need to leave right now kind of thing. And she like scoffs and leaves and like is upset in the book. And she's like kind of like, I guess like across the street, like watching everything of her, like him carrying Layla out and taking her away of this whole situation. And in the movie, she like kind of runs away for a while and like thinking on this entire situation. I think the movie had a lot more emotional impact in my opinion.
00:51:06
Speaker
Where Dakota's character, like her playing Anna, she looks fucking horrified seeing the situation go down. In the movie too, though, Layla does fire the gun. That part, it scared me. I actually jumped.
00:51:23
Speaker
And I don't know, i like i've I've never been shot at, but I'm pretty sure that would have messed me up hard. Mm-hmm. you know In the book, Layla never fires the gun. And doesn't even really... I don't think she even really points at it at Anna. She just has it out.
00:51:42
Speaker
And is is actually talking to Anna. They're having a weird... Very stunted where Anna is kind of like being tenderfooted and just, you know, like, do you want a cup of tea? I'm going to make some tea. And Layla is doing the whole like master lets you call him by his name. you know It's very yeah weird and awkward. And you can tell that. But it's not as escalated as it was in the movie.
00:52:13
Speaker
And so for Anna to like leave and go across the street and have some drinks with with Ethan. Kind of seemed okay in the book. Considering what just happened. But in the movie, I think i think you're right. It was way more dramatic. And i think Dakota Johnson really pulled this off as like.
00:52:32
Speaker
shocked She was literally shell-shocked in that moment. you know yeah Yeah. What about you, Lindsay? What did you think? i felt really torn on the the book having Christian bathe her and then dress her in Anna's clothes. Yeah. I felt like that was pretty weird.
00:52:57
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. That that part and After that entire scene happens, you know, Anna runs away and she's, like, freaking out. You know, Kristen's freaking out because he's like, where is she? Where is she? Because she was supposed to go back to his place and she didn't.
00:53:15
Speaker
And because she's, like, going through where she just saw someone that was, you know... i mean, this person is, like I said, emotionally, you know, unstable, like, going through something right now. and she saw something that she never encountered with her relationship with Christian.
00:53:42
Speaker
And that was like what that relationship was with that person, with her calling him master and things like that.
00:53:52
Speaker
And I think that kind of freaked her out where it's like, oh, this is something that, he had before and I can never give that to him I will never get there right that is not me and she has this moment of that and she gets back to his place and she's like I don't even know what to say or what to do like I can't ever move up like I can't be in this type of relationship with you and they kind of have like this like breakthrough moment during this part where like
00:54:26
Speaker
Christian like kneels in front of Anna and lets her touch him on the chest where he doesn't like to be touched. And because of like his past trauma and abuse.
00:54:40
Speaker
And we also find out a big reveal because you notice that all the women that he's with look the same too. We also find out a reveal of like, it's because of his mother. They all look like his mother.
00:54:58
Speaker
And there's like a lot of breakthroughs within their relationship after that moment. So that's like a really big conflict that happens in the book and the movie.
00:55:12
Speaker
Another one is Jack. Gosh, Jack Hyde. Who is Anna's boss at the company that now Christian owns and is a creep.
00:55:24
Speaker
Christian suspected he was a creep and was totally right. Honestly, I was cracking up whenever they meet at a bar and Jack calls Christian Chris in the movie. And he is he's like livid. He's like fuming.
00:55:41
Speaker
That was hilarious. eventual like later on in the movie and in the book, Jack assaults Anna and Christian is like, oh, hell no.
00:55:54
Speaker
You know, he's like, oh, hell no. And like gets Jack fired. But, you know, he ain't going anywhere yet. We'll see him again.
00:56:07
Speaker
We also have another outside force. yeah I'm rolling my eyes. Another one. Another one. And it's Mrs. Robinson.
00:56:19
Speaker
I can't stand this lady. ah Mrs. Robinson played by Kim Basinger. I'm curious what you guys think of um the actress. Okay, listen. I love Kim Basinger. She is... Oh, Basinger. Sorry.
00:56:33
Speaker
Well, that's just it. She's kind of from my generation. Like, in before even. And she's amazing. And she's beautiful. She's freaking gorgeous. I think she sucked. And I'm really sad about it.
00:56:45
Speaker
That was... at They were very excited to get her for this part and in this movie. Yeah. In the series in general. And I think she's terrible in this movie. I'm not going to lie. She's not at all what I pictured.
00:56:59
Speaker
I thought it was just because I didn't like the character. no I mean, like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I like an evil character, like a character you want to hate in the story. She didn't like pull off the like powerful alpha female that Mrs. Robinson is in the book. She's this like You know, businesswoman, you know, like fully together, friends of the family for a long time. So like in the business world, in the wealthy world.
00:57:33
Speaker
And like she didn't even like legit. Okay. You own a salon and your hair looks like that. What were you wearing to this ball that you showed up at? Because that was like, it was a masquerade ball. And and I don't know what she was wearing, but it looked like the cheapest business suit I've ever
Conciseness of Movie vs. Book's Length
00:57:52
Speaker
seen. it was just like, I was like, who is this character? yeah and she was soft spoken and quiet. And I'm like, that's not, that's not Elena. That's, I don't know who that is. That's Kim Basinger. She played herself. Yeah.
00:58:09
Speaker
I do think that. Sometimes when she's soft-spoken, I feel like that could be Elena because she kind of feels like she's like talking down to people.
00:58:20
Speaker
Maybe. that makes sense. But the this, I don't think that this actress did that well whatsoever. I'm not going to lie. I do not like her in this, as this, in this role. Yeah.
00:58:32
Speaker
I don't think so she does this very well. I was shook. Because, like, Kim Basinger is, like, sex goddess, hottest woman ever, was for the longest time. Like, that's what she's been known for. And so it seems like she would have been perfect for this.
00:58:48
Speaker
And then wasn't. You know? Basically, her character Mrs. Robinson's character just keeps putting her nose in this relationship.
00:58:59
Speaker
And she does not belong there. Okay? And Anna's not having it, calling her child abuser anytime that she gets, any chance that she gets being disgusted by her because that's exactly what she is. And, you know, in this story, Christian is very protective of her, very protective of Mrs. Robinson, more so in the book. We have a lot more of him being very protective of her in the book. And it's, you know,
00:59:29
Speaker
Something that only his therapist can handle and understand. um This woman does not go away and is basically trying to put in a Christian's head that you need the relationship that you had before. The one that I showed you to survive and you can't survive without it The part where he takes her to her salon, takes Anna to Miss Robinson's salon, almost threw up. like How dare he? i almost threw up. I think I threw up in my mouth. How dare he?
01:00:08
Speaker
That was just obvious. He's so stupid. know. stupid. Like, he really thought this is, he thought and he said, this is a brilliant idea. I got break i got a great idea up here.
01:00:20
Speaker
I can't with this man. It was horrible. Horrible. And at that those are like the big subplots that are happening in there. And then, you know, eventually, near the end of the story, we get through all the relationship turbulence and differences in both the book and the movie. They decide to move in together and get engaged.
01:00:46
Speaker
And Mrs. Robinson was not having that and had something to say about it That whole ending of like her in a throwing the water in her face so stupid. like it was so I was like, oh, we're getting real like soap opera up in here. like That whole part was bad.
01:01:04
Speaker
So dramatic. I did not like that. But then Christian's mother finds out about Mrs. Robinson. That's who I felt bad for. Right? Yeah. Because like you said, Mrs. Robinson is a family friend. And like she's showing up to these events.
01:01:22
Speaker
Yep. And, you know, Christian has this past with her and it's very just not good. But other big book and movie differences that.
01:01:37
Speaker
Like I said before, we don't have entire characters like Dr. Flint, Christian's therapist. There was a lot of different things involving his therapist. Like even Anna and Christian going to a session together see his therapist. Kate's brother, Ethan. There's also a moment at the end of the book where Kate finds out about everything and finds the NDA contract that was originally signed in the first book.
01:02:07
Speaker
In like a pocket of a jacket and like freaks out at Christian over it. That scene was kind of crazy. We don't really get a lot of her friends um in the second movie. It's very focused on these random crazy situations that are happening and their relationship.
01:02:27
Speaker
And this whole book, this whole timeframe is approximately three weeks. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because Anna's friend roommate is gone for like two weeks.
01:02:39
Speaker
Yeah. And comes back and is back for a couple of days. And then we have the like party or whatever at the end. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So it's it's only like this this time, this window of all of this going on is only like three weeks. Yeah.
01:02:56
Speaker
So they've been dating for a total of like three months now with a five-day break.
Final Verdict and Listener Engagement
01:03:02
Speaker
hu Yeah. Wrap it up. yeah Wrap it up. That's it. and And they do wrap it up. They go, they get engaged, and then we get this moment of like somebody standing off to the side in the dark. And it's... It's Jack. that's his name okay yeah jack Jack. did we Did we talk about Christian buying a house?
01:03:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah. He buys a house. Yeah, he does. He does. Why not? Yeah, why not? They have these... Yeah. They do have things like little like moments throughout where they're doing also like little relationship things and stuff like that. I think their chemistry is just so much better in the second movie compared to the first movie.
01:03:54
Speaker
The whole time I'm like, why are you both so hot? They're they're really like really attractive people together. Honestly, when it started out and they first like were together... I was like, oh my god, these two are so attractive together.
01:04:09
Speaker
It's insane. Also, it's like a science on how they place everything to cover their nakedness. I know. Yeah. that that like that's that' cinematography That's Yes! That's like when a woman is pregnant and they have to hide it.
01:04:23
Speaker
Right? yeah Yeah. It is a science. And for anyone that's listening, Fuzz is just licking... lindsey's face for the past like 10 minutes her again her cat is watching her youtube videos yeah her cat is just licking her cheek for 10 minutes all right so final verdict final verdict book or movie i think i can kind of guess what everyone's gonna say but crystal book or movie movie lindsey love movie yeah yeah
01:04:58
Speaker
movie I gotta agree. Movie for sure. There's no reason that book should be over 500 pages. I'm sorry. No. Absolutely Would you guys watch the movie again? Like the first and second movie?
01:05:09
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe. I mean, I'm not gonna go out of my way to like have a weekend to watch them like I would, you know, um something else. But...
01:05:21
Speaker
I wouldn't be mad about rewatching these by any means. Next time we're together 50 shades marathon. So we can all watch it in person. Listen, you know what? I'm okay with that.
01:05:33
Speaker
Cause at least you're not making me watch twilight. i Close enough. Okay. Question of the episode. Since the original 50 shades fan fiction was written by snow Queens, ice dragon.
01:05:46
Speaker
crystal said earlier i'm curious what's the most embarrassing screen name that you've ever had in your past lindsey what about you uh i've had two okay so my first one i was really into yugioh who and there was a card called blue eyes white dragon And I was, I loved that card.
01:06:19
Speaker
So my very first screen name, and it sounds grammatically incorrect, but it's not. Okay. Blue Eyes is cool. like wow ah Because I really like that dragon. Love it. Okay.
01:06:41
Speaker
And then I had one when I was 12. And I know it because it's in the screen name. Because apparently Punk Rocker was taken. So my second screen name was Punk Rocker underscore 12. Nice.
01:06:55
Speaker
nice I love it. I love it. Okay, what about you, Crystal? I've had so many. I've had so many because when I first started getting on the internet, it was still back in the days of like, never let anyone know your name. Never let anyone know, you know, where you live or what state you're in. or I'm like that now. Right.
01:07:17
Speaker
And, and so, like, we all had... the most random names. And, you know, i was a very young, naive teenager, like super naive to a lot of stuff. I was like, I'm fairly intelligent person, but I was the epitome of dumb blonde in high school. Like I was that stereotype when it came. i was just not street smart in the least.
01:07:43
Speaker
So one of my first ones, one of the most embarrassing was Crystal Light 420. I had no idea what 420 meant. So I was just like, oh, crystal light is taken. And my friend was like, put 420 at the end. And I was like, oh, okay.
01:07:58
Speaker
have no idea what it meant. I also at one point had 69 in one when I was like 16 years old. Didn't really know what that meant either. Wasn't going to ask because everybody else was laughing and I didn't want to be the one who didn't know.
01:08:12
Speaker
so there you guy carry what else is like nice nice nice yep yeah i used to dance i think i danced for like 10 years when i was younger so mine was i'm a dancer chick love it Literally on everything. Everything. Every username.
01:08:41
Speaker
Every screen name. I'm a dancer chick. And chick spelled C-H-I-C. Yeah. Of course. Yep. Classic. Classic. Okay, now that we've completely embarrassed ourselves, that's a wrap.
01:08:57
Speaker
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01:09:19
Speaker
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01:09:33
Speaker
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