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Consenting Adults (1992)
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Dueling Kevins! Fun in the sun! Questionable wife swapping? This week on the Erotic Thriller Club we find out how much negging Kevin Kline can take from Kevin Spacey before he commits a crime disguised as a goof.
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Introduction to the Erotic Thriller Club
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Ladies, gentlemen, folks beyond the binary, grab your husband, wife, partner, mistress, your pet doctor, and gather around the radio. It's time for this week's meeting of the Erotic Thriller Club.
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It's time for a tale of two Kevins.
The Tale of Two Kevins
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Kevin number one just wants to live his average life, have missionary intercourse, and write TV jingles. Kevin number two wants to commit insurance fraud, wife swap, and steal Kevin number one's family.
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Will wives be swapped? Will jingles be written? Will lives be ruined? Which Kevin will prevail? This week on the Erotic Thriller Club, consenting adults.
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Hey everybody, welcome to this week's meeting of the Erotic Thriller Club. As always, Garrett Callender and Kit Ryan here.
Evaluating Erotic Thrillers: Key Questions
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And this is where we answer the genre's three most important questions. Was I aroused?
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Was I thrilled? And would I ruin my life for this person? Garrett, i my problem with this movie begins right at the top.
Consenting Adults: Title and Casting Discussion
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this This title does not seem to really encapsulate what's going on here.
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However, it was the title that got us here. Yes. We would have not watched this movie if I didn't see a film called Consenting Adults with the name Kevin Spacey right above it.
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And I'd like to say anything we say about him throughout this, allegedly. alleged ah like alleg Allegedly.
Consent and Controversial Scenes
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Yeah, it's um really weird to watch a real life alleged sexual predator being like, hey, you want to swap wives, but not tell our wives. Ooh, that's rape.
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I want to do it. This is a rape movie. Yeah. and Turns out there is no actual rape. Like, let's be clear.
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Turns out no one actually got raped. So. Hooray. Yeah, you are right. No one was raped in this movie, so everybody can feel good about that. don't Just know that up top is not going to get scary in that way. Nope.
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I would like to say, though, to Kevin Kline's credit, ah he really, really didn't want to do this. And it did like everybody in the movie was peer pressuring him to do this.
Relationship Dynamics and Red Flags
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Yeah. Even though it was just... Kevin Spacey. Yes. So are are in our tale of two Kevins, we have Kevin Kline, who writes jingles for commercials, and he is married to Priscilla, the brunette of the two wives. And then Kevin Spacey moves in next door with his hot blonde wife named Kay.
00:03:46
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Kevin Spacey seems like he's going to be a real exciting neighbor to have. But I have a list of nineteen ninety s red flags.
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start sign that you Signs that you cannot trust this man. All right. ninety style. Let's keep in mind. Red walls. Red walls off the top. These people just moved into this house and they already painted the walls red.
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Number two, too many plants, too many candles. That is an unsafe number of candles in this house and that man doesn't seem to care at all. That is a man who wants his house to burn down for the insurance money.
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risk Number three. Eats with chopsticks. This is in the 90s. No people in America did that if they were white. Unless they were, like, really trying to show off just how, like, ah libertine and exotic they were. Simply not a thing.
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Number five. Owns too many properties. Across state lines. What's he doing with all those? I don't know.
Quirky Characters and Plot Developments
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Next. ah He knows what the stock market is.
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Not a great sign in 1992. No one knew how the stock market worked. Kevin Kline's wife is like, the stock market? You put money in the stock market?
00:05:03
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You could do that? I learned about it from this movie. I learned about it. Next, you have a Nazi doctor that you refer to as your pet.
00:05:16
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Rides a bike. Who doesn't wish they had one of those? A Nazi doctor that you call your pet? Yeah, no. Well, I wish he had better political values, but like I do, a pet doctor, not a bad guy to have around. This doctor is, I want to know his backstory so badly because I called him a Nazi doctor because he has a big facial scar like Nazis used to.
00:05:38
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And he's a doctor that makes house calls, which simply does not happen even in the nineties A little more Bond villainy than you would expect from this film in particular. Way more. And then later when, um you know, someone looks into this guy, they're like, yeah, he was a promising young doctor in Chicago, but he got too greedy and blew himself up.
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And Kevin Kline takes that in stride and is like, oh yeah, that explains the scar. What do you mean? Oh yeah, that happens. You get too greedy. The next thing you know, you've got a pipe bomb. What are you talking about? Hmm.
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Could have been meth. Could have been a gas leak. Could have been... I think the Oklahoma City bombing hadn't happened yet at this point, so that was that's out. Next, ah rides his bike ah doing a look-ma-no-hands straight in front of a garbage truck.
00:06:34
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That's a bad sign. Casual mention. He showed that he's a he's a crazy risk taker. That was too much of a risk. That actually was the first one. Into pure psychopath.
00:06:49
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It did remind me of, oh man, was it Zandali where she starts running in front of the train? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. um Casual mention of ah riots and like being present during some riots and like, oh, isn't it such a funny for us as rich people that we were like, I was trying to save my wife from being murdered during some riots and then our luggage got stolen. That's not a fun story to tell.
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um and and every year he was talking about January 6th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then that he said making money is easy. No, it's not.
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Not unless you're doing something wrong. So that is my list of 90s-flavored red flags about this family that you should not hang out with them. Did you have any red flags about Kevin, space Kevin Kline in this movie. Was there anything? Mustache. Number one, mustache.
00:07:52
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Well, clearly the mustache. Like that's okay. Okay. Okay. Let's pretend the mustache isn't there. Let's pretend he doesn't have his uncle Jesse S job from full house. I was nineties. It must've been like jingle was the best job you could have.
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My theory that they were hiring Kevin Kline and they know that Kevin Kline knows how to play the piano. And they were like, what job can we give him where we can show off that he can play the piano?
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um But then it also is a job that seems sort of soulless and isn't a fun artsy job, but instead a job where you're working in corporate America. And now they were like, bingo, jingles. but this is This is also Uncle Jesse from Full House. yeah He was writing TV jingles, but he's an artist at heart.
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There is a moment in this movie, you see him writing jingles several times in it, but there's one about a half hour into the movie. And I have been singing this song.
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since I watched this and for a second, i'm like, okay, he's right in a TV jingle, but there's a bit in the movie where, you know, he decides maybe I should be a real artist. Maybe I can jazz piano in addition to this, but he's up in his office alone, just playing piano pretty well.
00:09:11
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But singing the words, fun in the sun, I'm having fun in the sun. And that it to me is art. i So that could really go jingle or art.
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But seeing a man singing that, you only see him from behind and then angrily throw a coffee mug at you. while singing fun in the sun and i was spoiler alert everybody i was so angry when the title credit like when the credits hit at the end of this movie and fun in the sun didn't start playing me out of the movie fun in the sun and then at the very end of the credits you hear the crash of the coffee cup hitting the tv
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um I was just excited that we had a guy who had a real job, like a real job and not just capital B business for a change that this is like a man who does a specific job.
00:10:12
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And then, of course, Kevin Spacey shows up and Kevin Spacey has a job in question mark business. Not even business. He just says he gives financial advice, which he does throughout the whole movie. But I don't know that he's getting paid for it. I like, though, that Kevin Kline, it is established that he's hard to work with.
00:10:34
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Because motherfucker, just do the jingle. Do what the guy wants. Take the paycheck. This isn't art. You're doing a ski job. commercial i don't know i thought no no no i was on his side because they're asking him to change the jingle they're asking him to change the jingle when he's already in the recording booth and they've presumably already heard a demo of this right he already wrote it so what do you mean you want him to change it now it's too late he's already got the musicians there he's doing the thing what what ah what do you want
00:11:08
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so he's you You approved this. He's getting paid by the hour. Just work it out again. jobs just got longer. That was a union job. That's actually a pretty good point.
00:11:19
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We're going into overtime at that point. Write another goddamn jingle. It'll take you 15 minutes. I mean, obviously, fun in the sun, maybe not his best work. Was it his best work? I don't know. don't know.
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It didn't seem like that big of a deal to get worked up in, but maybe I'm just thinking about, hey, that's union hours. Like you're you're going into OT. This song is going to make you bank.
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Just do it.
Financial Strains and Relationship Tensions
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You know what? I take it back. I take it. but what Yeah. I don't think he's freelance, though, because his wife was also there in the recording booth, um even though as far as I can tell, she does money things like she fell asleep with a bunch with with one of those old timey calculators next to her. Oh, yeah.
00:12:07
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So I assume she has some sort of like accounting job with the company. See, I think they were running their own numbers and seeing that they are financially not doing well immediately after he gets fired for being a dick at work.
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um I don't know. My favorite part, though, is that when he comes back and he sees her in bed and she's fallen asleep with a calculator in her hands, um that he gets into bed in full 50s style PJs. And then it turns out she also wears these full on pajamas. And I cackled at seeing Kevin Kline in this silky button up PJ set.
00:12:56
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Yeah, all he was missing was that don't wake daddy ass hat on his head. If you remember the that board one. They did look like PJs.
00:13:08
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I mean, ah who are we? Like, I just wear gym shorts and a shirt to bed. I'm a piece of shit, not him. He looked cozy. Yeah, I'm piece of shit. He's having fun in the sun.
00:13:22
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yeah No, he's not in the sun, Garrett. It's nighttime. These are for nighttime. I love that when he walks outside and we see his introduction to Kevin Spacey moving in next door is him riding a motorcycle out of the back of a, like a U-Haul.
00:13:41
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Moving van, yeah. And Kevin Spacey in this movie has bleach blonde hair. And my first thought was, you remember Scott Peterson? the guy that killed his wife yeah he killed his wife and then disappeared and when they found him he had blonde hair and he looked just like this and then when i looked up a picture of scott peterson he actually looked like ben affleck and daredevil with the bleach blonde hair
00:14:15
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Yeah, the Kevin Spacey has a boat and a motorcycle. So we're supposed to know that like these guys, they got made. One in the sun.
00:14:28
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And they meet, their meet cute is, of our two Kevins, is that Kevin Kline is out jogging and Kevin Spacey just joins. And we see them do so much working out together.
00:14:41
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I had to start keeping a list of all of the exercise bro time that we have. We see them running. We see them biking. We see them doing sit-ups. We see them boxing. And then we finally see them playing baseball.
00:14:56
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so much activity for one movie that is not actually about sports in any way. The baseball scene seems stupid, but this movie really does fill any plot holes you might have a lot of the time. It's, it starts to fall apart at the end in terms of the plot holes. I feel like they they were, they needed to wrap it up at the end. What you got it all settled. You solved the, you solved the case.
00:15:21
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I would have taken 30 more minutes at the end of this movie. I feel like it needed 30 more minutes to wrap up all of the plot threads that they left dangling. Oh, but there was so many good at the baseball one, but yeah, like, so yeah, we find out he gives financial advice, Kevin Klon. So they do have a daughter, by the way, that we, we didn't mention daughter's just not here. She actually, why did they have a special school? She's at a special school for gifted musically talented students.
00:15:55
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So she's only here every other weekend. Yeah, we send her away to piano school so she can write better songs than Papa. Yes, even though she's like, what, 10, 11, somewhere in that range?
00:16:11
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Like, she's not going away for like high school boarding school. Like, that seems really young. Yeah, i Kevin Spacey had a real creepy, like, where's your daughter at?
00:16:23
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When he first, like, where's she at? Yes, that is actually, i should have made that the number one red flag, is that his first question to Kevin Kline is about his daughter.
00:16:34
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Where's your beautiful daughter? i Where's your beautiful daughter? i beg your fucking pardon? Don't ever come near me or my family ever again.
00:16:44
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So Kevin Spacey invites them over. But wife loves his financial advice. Yes, because Kevin Spacey wants to give out so much financial advice, even though that's his job. He apparently does it for free. he When you love your work, you never work a day in your life.
00:16:59
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ah You go around, you tell people, what would I invest in? Drug rehab clinics. You got a captive audience and they're going to keep leaving and coming back. You tell them they can't get better without you.
00:17:14
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That actually made me think of, dear are you familiar with the the the rapper Young Gravy? no I saw somebody ask him what, I don't know if it was like the most money he had made or like something that he felt bad about. Either way, they asked him something and his response was some of the most money he had ever made was an investment he made right at the beginning of the pandemic. And he invested in some online flower company because he knew that people were going to be sending flowers for dead people.
00:17:50
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That's so morbid. Yeah, because you can't attend a funeral. And people are dying from the disease. That's sick, bro. Good for him, though. That's some real Kevin Spacey-ass shit.
00:18:04
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Yeah. Kevin Spacey's character said he didn't think of that. He is! um so while they're here drinking brandy out of really fancy-looking goblets, basically, ah he starts playing the piano, Klein does, and it turns out that Spacey's wife, Kay, can sing. She sings the blues!
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And he's clearly, you know, instantaneously falling for her because she sings the blues. Yeah. And, you know.
00:18:37
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How quickly this movie sets up the spouses being flirty with each other. yes it It wastes no time. Because actually, I'll be honest, this movie, it's only 90 minutes.
00:18:48
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And at about the halfway point, you're kind of surprised that it's already to the point that it's at. And there's so much movie left. And I think this movie never went really where I was expecting it to go. Because everything moves at a different pace than I was expecting.
00:19:05
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expect it i don't know yes because right away um obviously klein's wife likes spacey because he's rich and she thinks her own husband is pathetic for not making more money writing jingles um meanwhile um klein and spacey's wife are getting it on because they both have artistic souls that are being crushed by their financially motivated spouses. And so it seems like a perfect match that they just do a little swapsy poo.
00:19:38
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How quickly it's not long after this that he's like, it's like a couple more hangs and he's just like, you want to fuck my wife, don't you? It's okay. Most people do.
00:19:50
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I'm okay with the idea. oh Yes. I wrote it down. Actually. I wrote down that exact thing is because that is what he says. Um, you want to fuck my wife, don't you?
00:20:01
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But before that, we get a sense of why Klein or why Spacey might be not the best guy to know, which is, um, Klein mentions that they're, you know, short on money. They're $25,000 in debt. Kevin Spacey's like, i could get that for you in an afternoon. And he's like, what? How? Why? And he's like, it would be like, okay.
00:20:25
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It would be a gift, not even a lung, just a gift. And next thing you know, Spacey's on the hood of their car.
00:20:35
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Really just gets fucking, but honestly, very jealous of Kevin Spacey. That is a dream of mine. Not anymore, it hurt me. But like high school, college, to get hit by a car, roll up on the windshield, fall off. That looks awesome. Looks fun. It looked cool.
00:20:53
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I'm sorry, what? You want never to get hit by You never wanted to be stunt person? Well, not like injured, but you know, rolled up on the hood. You just get hit because they weren't going that fast. was enough That's true, they were not. you But he rolls off. He knew them. Obviously, it was a scam. But if it were someone else, you can say whatever you want to that person in that moment because they hit with their car.
00:21:18
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They hit you with their car. They are automatically the bad people. And so, yeah, and the next thing we see is the Nazi doctor who makes house calls ah coming out of Kevin Spacey's house being like, he's paralyzed.
00:21:32
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You know, he's got to wear a neck brace.
00:21:36
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And ah then Kevin Spacey reveals that, yep, but I was just scamming the insurance company. What a hilarious joke. Here's a check for $30,000. You take $25,000, I'll take $5,000. We're all feeling good.
00:21:49
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And, ah you know, at first, our... upstanding morally responsible couple is like wait no we can't accept that that's no and then next thing you know um priscilla's over here being like you broke the law for us and spacey says what are friends for what are friends for garrett priscilla needs to chill out because the actress that played her was made Marianne and the Kevin Costner Robin Hood. And all he's doing is stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.
00:22:25
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This is... man she's got a thing for Kevin's, huh? Kevin's and Robin Hood types. Yeah. yeah Stealing from the the rich, giving to the poor.
00:22:37
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and then, yeah, next thing you know, they're out celebrating at a bar ah and we're encouraging our blues singing wife to get up there and sing. And that is when Kevin Spacey is like, you want to fuck my wife, don't you?
00:22:51
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And Garrett, I want to discuss with you. okay This was really sort of getting at my brain. Okay. You know how like when you're young and you got a crush on a girl or something and you're like, but if I ask her out and it doesn't go well, yeah that's going to ruin the friendship.
00:23:17
Speaker
Mm hmm. This seems like you have exponentially increased your chances of ruining the friendship. This is a friendship killer because there are so many potential ways for this to go wrong, right?
00:23:33
Speaker
Well, not if you look at it the way Kevin Spacey does, which is i sneak into your house. I sneak into my house. Because he said, haven't you ever just been tired in the night and you just fuck your wife and you're both kind of out of it?
00:23:50
Speaker
Well, we're going to do that. But I go to your house, you go to my house, and they probably won't even notice. And if they do notice, they probably won't care. but What I thought was going to happen is that they were going to sneak over into each other's houses to do their little thing.
00:24:07
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And that um one of the wives was going to wake up, realize a strange man is in her bedroom and shoot him. And the rest of the movie would be about like trying to cover up the fact that like we done, we done accidentally killed somebody with our little tee he wife swap.
00:24:29
Speaker
That is not happened. one way. Yeah, not knowing the plot to this, but just knowing it's a wife swap movie, so many things could have gone on in this. It was really a trip.
00:24:40
Speaker
Because there's so many potential points of of collapse, right? there It could be that, like, ah especially when two people in your foursome don't know that it's happening. Right.
00:24:54
Speaker
The possibilities for this to go wrong are endless. And the fact that Kevin Kline doesn't say, no I don't think I'm okay with you raping my wife in exchange for me raping your wife, that doesn't seem nice.
00:25:08
Speaker
No one ever mentions that this is not consent. That's where there's this consenting adult thing goes crazy for me is because there is no consent. The wives are supposed to never know.
00:25:21
Speaker
Well, him and Kevin Spacey, it was consensual between them. was sort of a handshake deal. This is more of ah something that would have happened on the Oregon Trail. this is Back when your wife was your property, it's like, well, of course, if I give another man permission, then that's fine.
00:25:42
Speaker
Well, it is so crazy. No, it is insane. If this had gone the way Kevin Kline expected it to go, Best case scenario is you let someone rape your wife.
00:25:56
Speaker
Worst case scenario, um your wife don what realizes it's not you, has sex with him anyway, and then thinks she's cheating on you and is like fine with that.
00:26:15
Speaker
Because she has no way of knowing you set it up. So if she wakes up, Kevin Spacey's in my bed, ooh, hot damn, I'm gonna have sex with him.
00:26:26
Speaker
If she consents, it means she thinks she's cheating on you and is fine with that. You've clearly never met a handsome blonde man who knows a lot about the stock market.
00:26:38
Speaker
And also from Kevin Spacey's point of view, he's like, yeah, why wouldn't he want to finger my wife? He asked her to start a band together. That's embarrassing. Yeah, so it is.
00:26:50
Speaker
This is the next logical step. It is not the next logical step, especially since everyone's being very flirty. The next logical step would be talk to the wives about it.
00:27:01
Speaker
But these were the Kevin Klein and his wife have the worst communication skills of any couple. And I know it's the 90s. People didn't talk to their wives. That'd be ridiculous. But like later when he doesn't want to be friends with Kevin Spacey anymore and the wife is like, why? These were our really good friends. We had a lot of fun. Why don't you want to talk to him anymore?
00:27:22
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um He just will not tell Because wants rape you in the dark. Yes! and i One sentence! And she'll be like, sentence oh! He said he wanted me to let him rape you. And then she'd be like, oh, God.
00:27:37
Speaker
But instead, she thinks... You're right. shouldn't have Christmas with them. No, we shouldn't go sing Christmas carols. We shouldn't go sing Christmas carols with them. He wanted you to give permission to him to rape me.
00:27:51
Speaker
And I assume the reason why he doesn't want to mention it to his wife is because he's afraid she will figure out that he wants to have sex with Kevin Spacey's wife and that she would be upset about that. But like, bro, you don't have to mention that part.
00:28:07
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You could just say he said he wanted to rape you. What's funny, though, is the thing that finally gets Kevin Kline to the limit where he agrees is for timelines in this movie are kind of tricky because I don't know how much time is between each hangout and everything but it really seems like Kevin Kline is just in a or Kevin Spacey is in a constant state of poking Kevin Kline with a stick being like you're such a fucking little loser you won't do anything you're too careful let me fuck my fuck your wife fuck my wife come on pansy
00:28:46
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And it gets to the point where even his wife is just like, you need to take some risks. What is wrong with you? And there's just something in his brain where he's like, I guess everybody wants me to fuck this lady. Yeah.
00:29:01
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Garrett. because he's It's brave. He did. He did. And Spacey is such a nag. He will not drop it. And ah like Spacey has a whole big plan that we're about to get into. But I want to just focus on the fact that like his whole plan hinges on Kevin Kline not talking to his wife.
Manipulative Schemes and Tension Building
00:29:22
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And like at any point if he had said like, hun, the neighbors want us to swing. The whole plan falls apart. And he is so naggy about it.
00:29:36
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And when he, when they finally have their moment where Kevin Klein and Kevin Spacey break up as friends. the the amount of gaslighting where he's just like, you're always such a dick to me. Like Kevin Spacey is just, such like you say, such a little bitch. It's so funny. It's awesome. It's so funny because like specifically, um, Klein is like, drop it.
00:30:02
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I don't want to discuss it again. i hope we can still be friends. I hope we can still be friends. And Spacey's like, i don't know, can we? You've been really judgmental about this whole thing. And like, my feelings are hurt.
00:30:16
Speaker
Classic abusive manipulative behavior with the with the the the pivot to like, no, you're the one who's being inappropriate.
00:30:28
Speaker
You're the one ruining this friendship. Every time I bring up my raid plan, you act like such a fucking baby. Remember that time baby that I rode, rode down the hill with my arms spread out like Jesus in front of a truck.
00:30:44
Speaker
Did I get hit? No. did I look back at you and give you a smile. Like, come on. It was cute. This is that. Yes. But with our penises and wives.
00:30:55
Speaker
Our penises in unsuspecting wives. Yes. This is a great, and also the fact that while they are friendship broken up, ah Spacey throws the most elaborate over-the-top Christmas party right outside their window. It is absolutely just to rub it in. They're like singing Christmas carols. Everyone's dressed up in ye olde Victorian outfits um while they're singing really loudly around a tree outside in the snow, specifically so it will be heard inside Klein's house.
00:31:30
Speaker
It's so funny. It's so passive aggressive. It was a great performance of Kevin Spacey singing. the I mean, I think it's maybe only second to the tap dancing he's been doing in Tel Aviv lately. Have you been watching that? Have you seen those clips, Kit?
00:31:51
Speaker
I have not. So do you remember a little bit ago when there was that rumor that Kevin Spacey was homeless or something? And then he had to release a video like, I'm not homeless.
00:32:03
Speaker
I have a home. But now he's like in Israel doing Frank Sinatra impressions at a club and like tap dancing. You can watch tap dancing in television.
00:32:14
Speaker
Basically, he surrounds himself with the best people. Oh, he's ah he's a showman. and And, you know, your options are be homeless in America or go to Israel and tap dance, I guess. I guess.
00:32:29
Speaker
All right. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, he's been worn down. He's been nagged to death. um And it finally seems like...
00:32:41
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he's gotta He's gotta do it. It seems like even his wife wants him to do it. You know, because he didn't actually ask her. If he had, she would have said no. That becomes fairly clear. Yeah, there's no there's no scenario in which this this works out well, and yet he does it anyway.
00:32:57
Speaker
So they they swap in the middle of the night. They, they you know... The baseball happens first. Oh, yeah. They basically reunite at Christmas over song.
00:33:10
Speaker
Have the flirtiest picnic. They have essentially swapped wives already. They are wrestling each other on the ground. I can't think. It's so flirty.
00:33:22
Speaker
yeah Yes. I allowed to wrestle you on the ground in front of my wife? I don't think I am.
00:33:30
Speaker
Like, I don't think you can be outwardly that flirty in front of your significant other and your significant other be like, this getting fucking weird. Which was even more weird that they wouldn't just, I mean, I know why Kevin Spacey doesn't want to, but why Kevin Kline wouldn't just be like, okay, let's talk to our wives then. They seem like they'd be really, really into it.
00:33:52
Speaker
they're pretty horned no it's up at that point. They're pretty horned up. Everybody's touching everybody. Everybody's flirting. Like, there's no reason why. Two on two baseball. What the hell was that? I couldn't figure out what the rules for that would be.
00:34:06
Speaker
Well, not when it turns out it's part of your overall plan. part of crime. Yeah. It's part of a crime plan. um So Kevin, the Kevin swap.
00:34:16
Speaker
we We make, we we are Kevin's pass each other in the night and a client heads upstairs and there she is laying naked in bed with a gorgeous ass.
00:34:29
Speaker
Face down. ah Face down. Like you sleep. Pace down, ass up, no blankets. Yeah. i like and Part of this plan that needed to work for Kevin Spacey is so improbable that it would work the whole time. The end yet? I don't know.
00:34:51
Speaker
And yet, here we are. ah and I mean, she just keeps her face down the whole time because she's supposed to be sleepy. That's the other thing. hi how would did they How did they expect, um in Kevin Kline's mind, when he's thinking about, like, is my wife going to notice?
00:35:07
Speaker
is Is Kevin Spacey's wife going to notice that we have swapped? One of them has a mustache and one of them does not. There is no world in which someone that you are used to having a mustache, not having one up against your bare skin is not going to like be noticeable or vice versa.
00:35:33
Speaker
That's true. Yeah, i yeah as a mustached man, i've never kissed ah I've never kissed someone with a mustache, so I can't i wouldn't have thought of it.
00:35:44
Speaker
I wouldn't have thought of it. Maybe I would. I don't know. i would have also I'm wondering how long it would have taken Kevin Spacey to beat me down to where I'm just in his house like, That's a really good point. I mean, it does seem like this has been brewing for months.
00:36:02
Speaker
And so i don't know if they're I doubt they're hanging out every day, although they do work out together. So it may very well be that they see each other daily. And so how long does it take before um you have been worn down and agreed to let a man rape your wife in exchange for you raping his wife?
00:36:25
Speaker
um But we had really good chemistry and I asked her if she wanted to start a podcast together.
00:36:33
Speaker
We would talk about the blues. two white people talking about the blues. ah
00:36:46
Speaker
So we do get to see Kevin Kline's butt. It looks great. He's got a great ass. And ah sorry, guys, that's the only nudity you're going to see. That's all you got. You got some butt. That's it. Butt's there. Butt's in his bathtub later.
00:36:58
Speaker
That's kind about it. That's it. Her butt, his butt. Not even the person we think about. Sorry. So, uh, Kevin Spacey and Kevin Klein passing on Kevin yeah Spacey's stairwell as he comes in and Kevin Spacey has a look on his face, like an absolute deranged person. Like the cat that caught the canary. It is a shit eating grin that he has on his face.
00:37:24
Speaker
And, uh, when he gets upstairs, he starts singing heaven. I'm in heaven. I'm guessing that's in part of his Colesive review.
00:37:34
Speaker
um Yeah, it probably is. um And so ah Kevin Kline seems the next day to have ah mixed feelings about what's what's going on. He's like, I love you to his wife the next morning. And she's just reading the paper being like, I love you too.
00:37:54
Speaker
It's so weird she doesn't ask. She does look like she might have gotten laid. She definitely looks like she was laid. That's when I think it sinks into him like, oh, no, I either just offered this woman up to have sex without her consent with another man.
00:38:13
Speaker
Or she's she she fucked him knowingly and enjoyed it. i don't like that idea either. Like he doesn't feel good about it. It could have been a two sentence conversation between him and Kevin Spacey as well down the stairwell.
00:38:28
Speaker
She know it was you. Right? I don't think so. I think we're all good. In the clear. No crime. No crime. No, wait, nope, that's a crime.
00:38:40
Speaker
um So, yeah. He's starting to... And he looks so stricken is the best word I can use to describe it.
Moral Dilemmas and Murder Accusations
00:38:50
Speaker
He looks... pale and unhappy and the fact that his wife doesn't ask him like hey hun what's going on is the only sign you need that their marriage is absolute trash like it's it's so obvious i couldn't even tell that he was about to have fun when he was naked rubbing on her butt no he looked i don't know that he was he looked scared he didn't
00:39:17
Speaker
He didn't know how gaunt he was going to look the rest of the movie. If had he would have you would have never done that. No. And um that's when um we we find out the first of this movie's exquisite twists, which is he runs in because he sees cop cars driving up to his neighbor's house, and he's been out running, and he runs in, and he sees...
00:39:47
Speaker
dead wife on the bed, slumped over, baseball bat on the floor, and Kevin Spacey having to be held back by cops as he screams, you, you did it! You murdered her! You murdered her!
00:40:06
Speaker
It's so good. and they're like, bro. You had to squish her. You really squished her good. and It's so good.
00:40:19
Speaker
it And he's so fucked. He's so fucked. He's so fucked. He's talking to his lawyer, who, by the way, has a bow tie, cane, old-timey briefcase, bowler hat, trench coat combination. Looks magnificent.
00:40:35
Speaker
um Clark Griswold's father-in-law in Christmas Vacation. So E.G. Marshall, two great Christmas movies under his belt. This one and that one.
00:40:47
Speaker
but So his lawyer is like, bro, your fingerprints are on the baseball bat. and He's like, well, we played of a little pickup game of baseball before. He's like, you say that Spacey did it, but Spacey was out of town.
00:41:02
Speaker
Like, he left town that night. His car's not there. And he has an alibi that someone out at his lake house saw him pick up the keys at two in the morning. So there's no possible way.
00:41:17
Speaker
it you're fucked. And he's like, well, I bet he paid somebody for that alibi. It's like, it doesn't matter. It's an alibi. You, on the other hand, have have your semen in the dead woman.
00:41:33
Speaker
Your semen's in there. Your fingerprints are on the bat. Also, how am I supposed to believe that you guys had a two on two baseball game? What's that? yes That doesn't sound plausible. So you're telling me that the thing that proves that you're not guilty is that you both raped?
00:41:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, this is my alibi. No, no. He was supposed to rape my wife, too.
00:42:00
Speaker
As your lawyer, I'm going to have to suggest you don't use that defense in court. He has no defense. It's yeah. This fucking great plan.
00:42:12
Speaker
Great. Great plan. His own wife is like, what the fuck are you talking about? How is that your alibi? No, no one came to see me that night. What are you talking about? Wait, you were going to. When I heard that from the paper, it was bullshit. You're telling me you did go over there and fuck that lady.
00:42:31
Speaker
and the And that you were going to offer me up like ah like on a platter to to for Kevin Spacey to rape? That was your plan? this is the This is the you looking good? She's like, I'm starting to, things are making more sense. When you were sitting there singing Fun in the Sun and saying, can tell something was off.
00:42:57
Speaker
Having fun in the sun. I'm having fun in the sun. i' never going to stop singing that song. So, ah yeah, wife's leaving him. Obviously. Obviously.
00:43:12
Speaker
Obviously. Can you imagine how pissed you would be, Garrett? Not only it did you yeah your husband, worst case scenario, rape and murder the next door neighbor, but best case scenario, he just raped her and was also offering up you to be
Dark Humor and Absurdity
00:43:31
Speaker
raped. That's the best case scenario?
00:43:35
Speaker
And that's in the papers? But you phrase like that, it's so bad. But if you phrase it like Kevin Spacey did... You know, he was just saying, he was just saying that worst case, you guys would probably be happy about this.
00:43:50
Speaker
That we immediately came to this and started saying, like, we have been talking this whole time about like, so I'm going to go rape your wife, right? And you're going to rape my wife. That's not how anyone in the movie talks about it. No one ever throws around the word rape. They just talk about it like it's a little, like a little teehee.
00:44:07
Speaker
We're just doing a little swapsies. There is no, like, even his own wife is not like, so you were going to let him rape me? Because I guess rape doesn't exist in 1992 or something.
00:44:21
Speaker
awesome Actually, you're right. it That's why the lawyer didn't even bring this part up, because that was not a crime. They literally, like, we are in Oregon Trail Times. This is like, they can't even vote in this movie as far as I know.
00:44:36
Speaker
Because as far as I'm aware, I'm like, yes, he should be on trial. He did not rap like murder that woman, but he definitely raped her. um Okay.
00:44:46
Speaker
Next thing you know, ah while he's locked up in jail, um ah Kevin Spacey's already made the move on the newly divorced ah ah Priscilla or whatever. She's got carpet samples. They are doing it.
00:45:03
Speaker
Oh, well, because that was part of the thing, you know? She was going to help him redo part of his lake house and everything. yeah he's He's already here. do you think she had a conversation with him? Like, did you two talk about, like, were you going to come to my house? No.
00:45:20
Speaker
No. It's crazy talk. Why would I do that? That's insane. I love my wife. And here's where young Forrest Whitaker comes into the movie looking good. And he is obviously by the PI who's here from the insurance companies to look into the insurance fraud because it's weird that this guy had a $1.5 million dollars life insurance policy on his wife who doesn't have a job.
00:45:50
Speaker
Which is also where I was like, wait, if she doesn't have a job, why didn't she just go become a lounge singer like she wanted to? She has nothing else to do all day. They don't have kids.
00:46:03
Speaker
not that Honestly, nothing was holding her back from lounge singing. do it Kevin's Kevin Klein unlocked that potential in her. She needed to hear it from someone else to know that the talent was there. She can go sing her sad tombstone song to the masses. ah um So, yeah, um while our boy is out on bail, um he's listening to the radio and here's the dead woman's voice on the radio.
00:46:37
Speaker
Without this piece of the movie, the rest of the movie doesn't even happen. Yeah, if this woman had just um like stayed in her hotel room or whatever, none of this happens. But ah she went to a radio contest at like a blues bar and sang and won the contest but then mysteriously disappeared. And so our boy Kevin Kline starts getting the idea that maybe this woman is still alive.
00:47:07
Speaker
oh I like that he's doing his detective thing, but it's not, I don't know. I was less annoyed with Kevin Kline doing his detective work in this movie than I was with most of the men we watched do their own detective work in these movies. I mean, this one's going to get the electric chair otherwise, Garrett.
00:47:29
Speaker
His lawyer is begging him to take a plea deal. Please. Your alibi is horrendous. ah Well, and Forrest Whitaker, not to say he's not a good detective in this, but he doesn't have the real motivation. He doesn't have as much motivation as Kevin Kline.
00:47:49
Speaker
No, he's paid by the hour. He's not paid, you know, based on whether or not he actually finds this. well And it's funny because they're basically Forrest Whitaker finds that there was like a double indemnity clause and Kevin Spacey's gonna make so much money. Maybe think, did we do double indemnity?
00:48:08
Speaker
You know, I don't know. did we do notorious? We did notorious. We didn't. We got to do double indemnity. That movie's hot too. the We haven't done an old timey one in a while.
00:48:20
Speaker
So point is, ah he and Forrest Whitaker start looking into, well, who identified the body? And if it's not, you know, Kevin Spacey's wife that died, who was it?
00:48:32
Speaker
And ah the only people who ID'd the body are Kevin Spacey and the pet Nazi doctor. My pet doctor, Spike.
00:48:43
Speaker
ah so it looks like kevin klein hired a hooker to pretend to be his wife while his wife drove the car up to the lake house so that the car would be at the lake house and the hooker is who had sex with kevin klein and that is how it happened that there was in fact no rape in this movie because that wasn't woman was being paid and it Did a woman's head get squished? Yes, there was squishing involved.
00:49:15
Speaker
There was squishing involved. should not have been squished and was. So no sex crime. So our hero, we can feel good about the fact that he didn't actually rape anyone. He just thought he did.
00:49:29
Speaker
Yeah. yeah do but i but He immediately, the color came back in his face after that one. ah I'm not a rapist after all. But now he has to explain to his wife that he slept with a prostitute at his neighbor's house.
00:49:42
Speaker
It's not better. It's not much better anyway. um so ah Yeah, that was about when we start looking into who Dr. Nazi is and we find out this weird thing about how he blew himself up. He got greedy and blew himself up.
00:50:00
Speaker
And that line is going to stick with me for a while, Garrett, because I really want to know what the fuck that means. I mean, he already seems like he exists in a different movie. Different movie entirely. Yes. So it could have been an Acme bomb. It could have been...
00:50:20
Speaker
Yeah, he was trying to get that roadrunner for the money, i guess. but ah
00:50:30
Speaker
Anyway, so this is how ah it's from Forrest Whitaker poking around that ah Kevin Kline finds out that his wife is now sleeping with Spacey on purpose.
Resolution and Reconciliation
00:50:45
Speaker
kevin kevin Kevin Spacey got consent, so he's already got one up on you. um And i'm I'm sure his wife's going to understand when at the end he's like, see, honey, i only thought i was raping someone and offering you up to be raped in exchange. So now we can get back together, right?
00:51:05
Speaker
And I was so disappointed at the end when that turns out to be true. Yeah, that shouldn't have... There should have been more... i don't know. so i like that what they do, though, is where... the I mean, I almost skipped to the very, very end, like the the happily ever after where they just live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors so that they can just continue to not talk about all the things that happened that are going to haunt them the rest of their lives.
00:51:32
Speaker
Absolutely. And there's no one there for your husband to offer you up to. Therefore, you do not have to worry about it. that's That's what you need, ladies.
00:51:45
Speaker
Yeah, you just you need a piece of farmland in Oklahoma that you don't have neighbors within 25 miles and you just you know, he just he can't have that urge.
00:51:56
Speaker
It's just it can't exist. It comes across all men eventually when they're being nagged and nagged and nagged and nagged. So, okay, can you help me figure out the timeline of this? Because eventually he does go to Memphis. It's a pretty long scene of him getting to Kevin Spacey's wife and finding that she's just a jazz singer in Memphis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spacey's stolen his family, right? And... um uh kevin klein has has given her he first of all he hides in her fucking back seat which is not helping his case at all while she's at the grocery store he hides in the back seat and is like surprise honey i know you think i'm a murderer uh and she runs down the road screaming bloody murder and he's like i'm not no wait wait wait
00:52:53
Speaker
Not helping a note with the cassette tape in the thing would have gone would so much further than. it um and and also, I believe that they live in Atlanta.
00:53:07
Speaker
And they do this. Yes. And Kevin Kline has moved the wife to Charleston, South Carolina. Because that's what the the ticket shows at the end. So they're in South Carolina.
00:53:23
Speaker
And ah ah which immediately had me thinking like, I don't think you're so supposed to leave the state when you're out on bail, Kevin Kline. I think you're in trouble.
00:53:35
Speaker
That's the least of his worries right now. He has to. true He's Batman right now. And he could he can't be confined to a state when he has to solve crimes that are out of state now.
00:53:46
Speaker
Right. So he gives the tape to his wife and is like, play this for Kevin Spacey. And it'll prove his wife is still alive. And all this was one of his scams, just like when he did the neck brace thing.
00:54:00
Speaker
And ah she does. And Kevin Spacey's like turned on the waterworks. Oh, she sounds just like so much like my poor, sad, dead wife.
00:54:12
Speaker
And, um... And then he's like, Kevin Kline sent this, didn't he? To try to ruin our happiness. So sad. So fucked up. And Whitaker ah gets the phone records and it turns out that after hearing the tape, ah Kevin Spacey called the same number in Savannah multiple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah So um they... The place we became friends again.
00:54:43
Speaker
Yes. So he they called the hotel and it turns out there is someone under her new fake name that is staying there. So time to go to Savannah, friends.
00:54:55
Speaker
um And ah look who's ah now a sexy redhead singing at another jazz club. Okay, but he, it's fun. Like, okay, so he finds her. She runs away. He gets back to the hotel.
00:55:08
Speaker
it Goes like, what where's her room? And when they say she's on the roof, I love that this hotel just has a roof hotel, like a roof room. Yes, you have to go out onto the roof and then it's not like the roof is like it you walk across the roof and there is just a shack on top of the roof. That is like a little extra room that you can stay in, I guess, in this absolute shithole of a hotel.
00:55:38
Speaker
And amazing. but How long do you think it's been since the murder? Because as she starts to break down what she did after the murder.
00:55:51
Speaker
like it sounds like it took Canada and back. Yes. Has it been months at this point? It can't be because at one point his lawyer, while he's out on bail is like the trials in three weeks. I tried to get an extension, but we're not, it's not happening.
00:56:07
Speaker
So because she made it really big yeah well made it sound like she went to Canada and really thought about stuff, but had to come back. because Then again, I guess we don't know. We don't know how long he was in jail before they let him out on bail.
00:56:23
Speaker
Because I assume that in order to make bail, like that's why they sold their house. That's why like was to get the money. Yeah. So all of that was to to raise money to to pay his bail so that he could get out. So maybe that's when she was in Canada and then she decided to come back for reasons. I don't know.
00:56:42
Speaker
um So I do like that. They look longingly each other at first as if like, it's, it's my love. The woman I tried to.
00:56:53
Speaker
to rape. I thought the woman I thought I raped. And then he just immediately goes through her throat for a throat and just like, you dumb bitch, you send me to jail. And she's like, I didn't know. He didn't tell me until the next day. It was too late. Do you still want to start a band?
00:57:13
Speaker
What's really funny to me is that Kevin Spacey's threat to her to keep her from like coming out and telling the truth is like, I'm to say you were in on it the whole time, which is stupid. If she's going the one who's talking to the prosecutors, if she's going to get immunity.
00:57:28
Speaker
Duh. But so much better of a threat is they already think you're dead. I can kill you and nothing will happen.
00:57:41
Speaker
No one will look for you. Everyone thinks you're dead. I'll throw you in the lake by the lake house.
00:57:51
Speaker
That's hard. um But yeah, she's like, I'm so sorry. And I'm like, don't apologize to him. he thought he raped you. should apologize to you. Once again, that is a thing that only you and I thought about as we watched it. ah No other characters. It never crossed anybody's minds. that that Like you said, that's a goof.
00:58:14
Speaker
That's a goof in this movie. It's not a crime. It's a goof. It's not. It's a sexy little goof that the wives would be into if they knew it was happening. We're definitely sure. So it's okay to do it without asking them. Yeah.
00:58:29
Speaker
Okay, maybe this movie sucks. I thought it was awesome, but now I think it sucks. If my partner is like, I want to murder a hooker for the insurance money and pretend it's you and frame our neighbor for it, and I'd be like, no, what? You can't do that. And he's like, it only works if the neighbor thinks that he's raping you.
00:58:54
Speaker
I'd be like, yeah, ahead. the Yeah, cry him away. Yeah, put him away. We've put away a rapist.
00:59:05
Speaker
Why not? after You're like, oh, so it's just a goof. it's just Oh, never mind. It's just a goof. It's just a fun little goof. We don't put people in jail for goofs. We don't put people in jail for goofs.
00:59:19
Speaker
Kay gets squished, Kit. this is We get our second squishing. Spacey's at it again. squish He's got to tie up some loose ends. um So ah he brought my favorite part is he brought another baseball bat so that guess so that he could tie the two crimes together or something.
00:59:41
Speaker
Um, So that now the man from vacation has to be like, you're a goddamn serial killer now. but Yeah. This is the part where it starts to fall apart for me because this woman who has died is Kevin Spacey's wife, but no one knows that because everyone thinks Kevin Spacey's wife's already dead. This is just a random woman named Olivia who's a part-time lounge singer who's lived in Savannah for like a couple weeks at most.
01:00:06
Speaker
There is no way on earth in 1992 that the Georgia, South Carolina, and um Alabama police are all talking to each other.
01:00:20
Speaker
It's just not possible. There's no way. They're like, oh, we showed, we showed Kevin Kline's face to the guy at the motel. And he said that he saw you there, that he saw him there that night. i'm like, why would you show it to them?
01:00:33
Speaker
You don't know. As far as you know, this is just another random woman who has been bludgeoned to death. You have no reason to know that Kevin Kline was in the area to be asking around about him. You have no idea that this woman is like connected to this case at all.
01:00:48
Speaker
And, know, You can barely get cops to talk to each other in the same state, let alone across state lines in 1992. It just doesn't happen.
01:01:01
Speaker
You're just so used to incompetent police work in all of these movies that when everything is so precise and competent that you just, your brain doesn't know how to process it Like this man is on trial and he's out on bail and a random woman that looks sort of like the dead woman um got bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat. And we think ah the baseball bat killer's on it again.
01:01:29
Speaker
you're just You're just thinking about that cop in that Giallo movie we watched that was eating like a ketchup sandwich while looking at a mutilated body. These guys have a tight lockdown crime scene.
01:01:42
Speaker
i don't know. Maybe there's not security cameras. Then it's hard to say. But, you know, they they gay gay got it done. The boys in blue got it done. so I guess in this case, yeah. i don't know. Maybe Kevin Spacey like dropped a hint like, hey, I think, well, I think that that crime I write about in the paper sounds a lot like my wife's crime. Maybe you should ask around.
01:02:07
Speaker
um ah So he gets home and ah to Kevin Spacey gets home to his his new beau and is like, yeah, I was in Atlanta for work. And she finds the ticket that says that he was in Savannah where this murder has just happened. And that's when she gets suspicious that Kevin Spacey may be the murderer after all.
01:02:38
Speaker
Why did he fly? garrett Why did he leave a paper trail um by flying to Savannah when it is a two hour drive from Charleston?
01:02:51
Speaker
And that leaves no paper trail?
01:02:56
Speaker
Well, I think we could say that when the cassette of his dead wife got played to him. hu Well, she's not dead. fuck kid He knew she wasn't dead.
01:03:08
Speaker
It did sort of unravel his plans. Like, his carefully laid plans have been fucked up by his his ex-wife? You're right. He just be botched this right at the end. But I didn't even think about it because the inclusion of an Uzi in a movie immediately takes everything out of my brain.
01:03:30
Speaker
It's a Mac-10. Wasn't that an Uzi? That looked like an Uzi. I Also, want to point out this man said he owned his own plane.
01:03:41
Speaker
So why is he taking a commercial flight complete with records of the passenger on that. Anybody in law enforcement can look up that shows that he went there. The movie logic, right? He started to fall apart. I'm sorry.
01:04:01
Speaker
You're right, but like the Uzi stuff at the end. So once again. Yeah. Okay, we'll get to that. So Kevin Spacey realizes that, um he you know, wifey is on to him.
01:04:14
Speaker
So he's like, well, I guess I got a frame Kevin Kline for another murder. and I guess I got yeah more. so Daddy's got more squishing to do. Yep, he has a third baseball bat ready to go, which is crazy to me. You would have thought that they lived in Louisville instead of Charleston and that he was just getting these from the Louisville Slugger.
01:04:43
Speaker
It really like he could with all of his baseball equipment, he could just ah he could run a minor league baseball team here. hundred percent. This man is made of baseball bats. And so for some reason, he doesn't kill her right away and then frame our boy for the crime.
01:05:04
Speaker
He just has her laying down on the bed, not even tied up. Do a plank. Do a plank. Lay there and plank. Just face down, feet straight out, arms to your side. While I stand here with ah with a gun and wait for your husband to arrive. He's just got loose bat sitting on the ground where he's like, touch it. put your I dare you. Put your fingerprints on it again.
01:05:30
Speaker
It's so funny when Kevin Kline sneaks up to the house, he comes in by boat and has to like scale a wall and he's got a rope around him like he's Rambo, like he's doing some action shit. And the whole time i'm wondering, what's he going to do with this rope?
01:05:46
Speaker
And the answer is just strangle someone one with it. Strangle some some home security guard that did not deserve this, which is not going to look good for your case at all.
01:05:59
Speaker
For a second I thought it might be the doctor was also security. but i don't think so. don't think so either. He just strangled a guy to death with a rope. I think we're supposed to assume that he just like choked him out and he'll be fine.
01:06:14
Speaker
but hope. but But you're showing me that this movie didn't think... like They really did just at the end. like Things were so tight. And then they just fucking botched it. The writer and Kevin Spacey.
01:06:28
Speaker
Yes, both started to fall apart there at the end. And um so ah Spacey's watching the door, Mac 10 at the ready, ah you know, whatever gun that shoots a lot of bullets.
01:06:45
Speaker
It's important to you? Yes, because Why? look Because that is the 90s. In the 90s, an Uzi is just like, it was the gun. This what a Mac 10 looks like. Is that not what he had?
01:07:02
Speaker
i would ah Google Uzi. No, no, he had this gun, this little guy right here. It's shorter. It's got this like Uzi eye.
01:07:14
Speaker
I don't know. I think it was a Mac 10. i No, no, no. So I want you to know that I like the Uzi so much. I would never own a gun. Like I can't, I'm a, I'm a mentally ill person. I shouldn't have one. That thing's going to end up in my mouth. it's quite But by the end of this, I had convinced myself, I do need an Uzi for home security. Am I allowed to have this?
01:07:46
Speaker
And you know they don't use them very much Because they just spray bullets wildly And aren't very accurate So I'm trying figure out How do I get an Uzi More bullets go in a vase More bullets go in a vase Than any people With this gun um kit I can't own this gun. This is an Israeli gun. This was made in the 40s with Israel. And like, I can't have that now.
01:08:11
Speaker
I don't want that. um Can you get a Mac 10? Are those allowed? don't want the goddamn Mac 10. I'm not with the Mac 10. It was Uzi. And in the 90s, if you're trying to kill Charles Bronson in a movie, you got a Mohawk, you got an Uzi, and it's a vibe.
01:08:31
Speaker
It is. So point is, and ah the gun gets knocked away, so they get to have a nice little punch fight, which is good because we saw them practicing that with the boxing. So now they get to put all those skills to the test. um Kevin Casey was always better.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah, we we have a great stair fall, though. And I love a stair fall stunt because you got to really do them. And it always looks really painful.
01:09:00
Speaker
Yeah, it was an impressive stair fall. It was a good set of stairs. Long. Yeah, it was nice. um And so ah finally, while, you know, he's.
01:09:13
Speaker
They're fighting at the top of the stairs, the bottom of the stairs, he's got a gun. He doesn't have a gun. He's got a gun again. Doesn't really matter. He's ah ready to shoot Kevin Kline and then wha-bam.
01:09:27
Speaker
In comes Priscilla with the bat. Bam.
01:09:36
Speaker
So we this movie is not very sexy. We had talked that there was like three butts in this movie. No. but this was the most erotic thing in the movie. I'm not joking.
01:09:48
Speaker
When she cracked him in the side of the head with a baseball bat, I was half cocked. Like this was the most erotic thing in the movie. And the way she hit him, he's done.
01:09:59
Speaker
Like, oh I didn't think that he was necessarily dead, but I thought he had to eat soup for the rest of his life. And that, That maybe he's just like eating soup and coloring pictures and that he's maybe not dead, but you see him at the end and like a home for disabled people and you see him scam his way into two jellos at dinner. So that you see he's still he's still scamming.
01:10:24
Speaker
But now he is he's real dead standing on his head, like all fucked up on the bed. Yeah, they they make sure to artfully arrange him in the same pose that he left the previous two baseball bat victims in, where he's like splayed, half-fallen off the bed with his face looking real fucked up.
01:10:43
Speaker
um And then... I would have been okay with it if we had just like moved on from there, but they decided that to show that that dumb bitch did really did take him back, and they moved to a house within in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors. And we hear on the radio that he's been exonerated and all the charges against him have been dropped, and I think that he didn't deserve anything that nice.
01:11:09
Speaker
Having fun in the sun. Fun in the sun. I'm having fun in the sun. Gary, I don't know.
01:11:20
Speaker
How does a relationship survive this? What kind of work and therapy are these two going have to have? Except it's the 90s. So I don't know. They do have marriage counseling in the 90s. But I don't know that anyone's equipped for this.
01:11:36
Speaker
I don't know. Haven't you ever had a friend who's had a significant other that you're just like, they're with the worst person I've ever met. I don't think that this is, uh, how does this continue to function? i mean, it's going to fall apart down the road.
01:11:50
Speaker
The, I'm i'm not going to say the wheels are fully off, but we're driving this, this, this car on a donut right now. And time is of the essence.
01:12:00
Speaker
Their communication skills were not good beforehand. um One of the really early things ah that... Hold on, let me find it.
01:12:13
Speaker
um Yes, one of the early things that we see is when they're first going over to Kevin Spacey's house um for drinks, ah she says, i don't drink.
01:12:25
Speaker
And Kevin Kline says, since when? She said, I started getting fat. You didn't notice. And he says, the not drinking or the getting fat? This is a bad relationship.
01:12:40
Speaker
this is not good. And Kevin Spacey's over here being like, you guys have such a perfect marriage. Wow. We're just, we're so impressed with how, what is the secret to your perfect marriage? And all our has to say is like, m trust. yeah um It's certainly not clear and open communication.
01:13:06
Speaker
It's trust. i don't because I just trust that she's going to understand what I'm feeling without me having to tell her. Trust. 100%. Yep. Yep. Yep. yep yep um I'm looking through my notes at just one thing we didn't mention earlier in the movie is that when he's out on bail and just living at a hotel for a couple weeks or however long that he has gotten a gig in a jazz band. Yeah.
01:13:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Because you know what? If you're going to go into the electric chair, you might as well play the blues, buddy. That honestly brings up the cred of that band. Like everybody sitting there is like the keyboard has killed a guy like because he famously killed him or killed a lady. He squished her.
01:13:55
Speaker
Yeah, he's out woman on bail. he will not This is a ah short-term gig, so you better see him while he's here because he's not playing here much longer.
01:14:08
Speaker
Well, it's I don't know if you ever heard this, the the metal band Lamb of God, they did a show in Europe and a guy got on stage and he shoved this guy off the stage. And he later found out that so suppose that guy had died that he shoved off the stage that his family said was from complications of the shoving off the stage. Being shoved? Oh no. Being shoved off the stage. So to me, i would just never go to Eastern Europe again and play Lamb of God shows.
01:14:40
Speaker
The lead singer, much more confident, flew there and went to jail and um ended up getting off. But do you know how fucking metal it is to be in Eastern European jail for murder and you're the lead singer of a metal band?
01:14:55
Speaker
It's extraordinarily metal. Yeah. Metal as fuck. And that's, I've never had to think that a jazz guy is metal, but that jazz. No, but a blues guy should be. wish The blues is classic ah jail material. So like this gives him major cred. That's true.
01:15:14
Speaker
that's true That's true. That's true. That's true. All I'm saying is. That was a pretty sick band. That guy was scary. love that all it took for him to take a risk and like join a band and actually do something artistic was to be framed for murder. Honestly, that should have changed him enough that he should have had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth while he's doing it. Everything's different now.
01:15:41
Speaker
I mean, might as well. hell yeah. Get a tattoo of the face of the lady you're on trial for murdering. squished face.
01:15:52
Speaker
no Not that one. or Poor gal. Once again, like prostitutes just they always I can't movies with prostitutes. that It always ends this way for them and it should go better.
01:16:05
Speaker
It's not like it ended up going any better for the wife because she also then got murdered. So, you know.
01:16:15
Speaker
she goes i don't know why Kevin Spacey didn't just kill her. Why didn't Kevin Spacey just kill her forever ago? It would have made his life way easier. and One less loose end hanging around.
01:16:27
Speaker
Well, he loved her at some point. Did he, though? he was How many of your exes have you killed? I'm not going to tell that on a podcast.
01:16:39
Speaker
You think I'm an idiot? here You get swatted while we're recording. Seriously?
01:16:49
Speaker
all right, Garrett, let's take it home with Were You Aroused? Scale of one to five. How much did you like that baseball bat to the head? I liked it quite a bit, to be honest. This movie is close to a zero for eroticism other than three shiny butts. But that baseball bat to the head really did it for me. I can't say if it's because of how slimy Kevin Spacey's character is in this movie, how upsetting his alleged crimes are in real life. Alleged legend. i don't know. all i know is All I know is he's tap dancing in Tel Aviv, and I don't love that either. So all I know is that I wouldn't invite him over for a dinner party.
01:17:33
Speaker
That's all I got. I'm going to though, that baseball bat. It did something undeniable to me. And for that, I'm very happy for you. um Yeah, I'm sorry. um Kevin Kline's butt looked good. The the prostitute's butt looked good. Like, there were some good-looking butts. You barely got to see them. And then the rest of the time, I just had to look at Kevin Spacey's stupid fucking face and his bad hair.
01:18:01
Speaker
um And Kevin Kline's normally better looking, but he had a mustache. So don't want to look at that shit. So I'm putting it down at a one.
01:18:10
Speaker
The baseball bat didn't do it for me quite as much as for you. I understand. And the thing is, it did it for me the second time. I'd kind of forgotten about it from the first time, so it was still a surprise when it came.
01:18:23
Speaker
Well, good. all right. Were you thrilled? Scale of one to five? Pretty thrilled. Pretty thrilled. I mean, i see the twist when this happened. No. And they there's multiple. It just kind of kept happening there for a little bit. So I think this is a pretty thrilling movie. I feel like maybe even three is too low. I might set this at a four because this was an enjoyable, fun thriller.
01:18:48
Speaker
Yeah, I will say that the the the twists were good. i was not bored. i ah I was not necessarily really rooting for our protagonist since he thought he was a rapist. And so, like, I don't really care if he gets off for the crime or not. I just also want Kevin Spacey to go to jail. Yeah.
01:19:12
Speaker
know like i was there for his weird little investigation and all of his his little trips around the south so uh i'll go with the three and a half three and a half i feel comfortable with that and garrett are you gonna ruin your life for kevin spacey's wife Oh, for the wives. I was like, are you going to ruin your life for either of these two rapists? ah The wife. Kevin Spacey's wife.
01:19:44
Speaker
Yes, because when it comes down to it, Kevin Kline ruins his life for the chance to rape Kevin Spacey's wife. It wasn't even, though. He just didn't like being pressured from everyone yeah about being a fucking safe loser. Everybody kept calling me a weenie.
01:20:04
Speaker
yeah everybody You're right. That is it. Like he didn't even want to have sex with this woman. He just doesn't like being called a weenie. You call him that for six or seven months and then you frame him for murder.
01:20:18
Speaker
So no, I don't like jet. Like I don't, I don't hate jazz, but I don't think me and her have enough in common that I'm down for this. Maybe me I'm down for a husky voiced singing lady. I mean, I, I, I dig it, but I'm not going to make a deal with Kevin Spacey for anything.
01:20:40
Speaker
I'm certainly not going to let him rape my spouse in exchange. Um, I'm not ruining my life for any of these people. No.
01:20:52
Speaker
Garrett, you going to ruin your life for the baseball bat lady? Made Marion? Yeah. She was in the abyss. She was in Scarface. She's got a storied career. and I mean, it doesn't take that much to impress her, to be honest.
01:21:09
Speaker
So you're certainly not going to offer ah her up to Kevin Spacey, though. No, no, no, no. That's not something you do to your significant other, even if you don't like them.
01:21:19
Speaker
yeah Tell that to Kevin Kline. He was a fucking weenie. And even raping that woman was weenie behavior.
01:21:30
Speaker
Like he, Kevin Spacey knew he was a fucking weenie. He was a weenie. You call him a weenie enough. He's going to do weenie things. the With his weenie. With his weenie.
01:21:44
Speaker
my God. She does not need to be with him. No.
01:21:55
Speaker
She can do better. She can do better. Maybe. I don't know. You're right. She is kind of dumb. Mm-hmm. Like, all she can't, like, i don't know. I don't think I'm supposed to dislike her in this movie, but the longer we went, what she was impressed with by Kevin Spacey wasn't that impressive. No, it was that he knew about the stock market.
01:22:17
Speaker
That's really what it took. God, him throwing his arms to the side, like, he, yeah I can't stress enough how much he almost got killed by that truck.
01:22:28
Speaker
yeah Maybe that was part of the scam is he was hoping to be able to sue the city for getting hit by a garbage truck. The truck driver's is like, I swear to God, his arms were extended like he was in a Creed music video. this this This man wanted to die.
Reflections and Enjoyment of the Film
01:22:52
Speaker
not mad about watching this movie. This was a fun movie. No, not mad about it either. I hope the next one's sexier. This movie was very poorly received. I mean, I think it got like a 30 on Rotten Tomatoes for critics, maybe slightly higher from from idiots like me.
01:23:12
Speaker
But um no, this was this was a fun one. I'm happy we did it. Could have been a bit sexier, but you know what? I'll take the thrills where they come. I'll take it too. Yeah.
Cultural Experiences: Maid Cafes and Fan Fiction
01:23:23
Speaker
ah So you just got back from your honeymoon in Japan. did!
01:23:28
Speaker
ah How erotic is Japan these days? Well, i did go to a maid cafe, so that was really fun. But that was not as overtly sexual as I thought it might be. It was instead aggressively cutesy, which I enjoyed tremendously. I really had a lot of fun with it. um
01:23:51
Speaker
Yeah, no. Did the panty vending machines die with COVID? I don't know. I didn't see any. So don't know what to tell you it's secretly getting a pair of those in the mail. Thanks. No, but fan fiction appears to be legal to sell there. And so we did find racks and racks and racks of slash fic. from various anime and other properties so if you want to see Iron Man and Captain America buttfucking each other they got it for sale there um i believe that ah ah you saw what I sent your wife in the mail I did think there was Goku and and Vegeta kissing
01:24:34
Speaker
It Piccolo and Gohan. Piccolo, I'm sorry. Please. Gohan. I don't... i' I've basically seen three episodes of Dragon Ball Z, and one is where those two are learning to drive. Great episode.
01:24:49
Speaker
So, yeah. Yeah. That was that was and that was what I did.
Fan Fiction Pairings and Playful Conversations
01:24:53
Speaker
If you had to read fan fiction of two characters from any of the erotic thrillers we've covered on this show...
01:25:01
Speaker
Who are you putting together? Stupid, easy question. just want Bound all over again. Nice. See, I would have pulled K-Stew from Love Lies Bleeding and maybe thrown her into the mix. You would think with Pilly, but I'm... Oh, all three. I was going to her and Gershon, but they're both the same characters. Oh, man.
01:25:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Make him a throwball. think that's the right answer. yeah Is there anyone else so that you would combine? Like, let's pretend Bound and Kristen Stewart don't exist. You can't just tell me Bound and Kristen Stewart don't exist.
01:25:40
Speaker
Pretend. um God. Who would you rewrite from two different movies to be in the the elevator blowjob scene from Fatal Attraction? Oh, God. Um, buh, buh, buh, buh.
01:25:56
Speaker
Let's get in there. Have we ever liked a man and one of these movies? Literally what I was trying to think about. Like, maybe we could get Mickey Rourke. um He was handsome back then.
01:26:09
Speaker
Like, maybe. think that I asked too hard of a question. you did. Because now I'm having to scroll back. So you're telling me you ain't throwing Busey into that elevator?
01:26:23
Speaker
No, Garrett. I'm not. I'm not putting Busey in nothing. And I'm certainly not going with, um what's his name? The Other Baldwin. I'm not doing that neither. okay. I got one then.
01:26:38
Speaker
The Other Baldwin and Pacino and Cruisin'.
01:26:46
Speaker
I don't hate it as a concept, honestly. You're leaving Belushi the floor right now? I don't. don't hate Yeah, right. We'll end it there. hey everybody. that right?
Show Wrap-Up and Audience Engagement
01:26:58
Speaker
Thanks for for tuning in. It was fun. The meeting adjourned. If you want to follow us on Instagram, at eroticthrillerclub, eroticthrillerclub gmail.com. If you have any questions, comments, concerns.
01:27:10
Speaker
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01:27:24
Speaker
Garrett? Thank you for listening. We love you. Wet your snails. We want to shake you naked and eat you alive. Having fun in the sun. Having in the sun.