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S3 Ep248: AI Fish Smashing Old People
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Join Dave, Jake, and special guest Gennaro as they talk about AI, cybersecurity, soap, hot-wings, and playing Smash in this week's episode!
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Introductions and Nicknames
00:01:01
Speaker
how's it going everyone welcome to another episode of soapstone my name is jake and i'm joined by my co-host is always dave how's it going tonight dave i'm actually gonna try a bit of a name swap today i want more of a maybe like a nickname i want you to start calling me gennaro instead word mooch one of the two
00:01:18
Speaker
Why? Why would you do that? Oh, we have, uh, Jenera slash Demuche. Okay. Hey, you're immediately starting by taking my identity.
AI Jokes and Speculations
00:01:27
Speaker
So thank you for that. I know where you live. Do you know that? I know where you live. Okay. But all right. You got me there. What's really impressive is this is still just Dave. This is just Dave and voice modulation. Um, that entire exchange.
00:01:43
Speaker
Surprisingly, it's a I Dave too. Oh, you know the whole GP Dave it chat GP Dave. It's it's kind of been going sicko mode lately He's really a let me just type in a response right here. All right and enter So really I think the economy is about where I expected to be when I made this prediction 10 years ago If you guys remember what I was posting on Facebook at the time Yeah, nope
00:02:10
Speaker
Going back to, you know, typical boomer Dave AI voice, just posting everything on Facebook because he hasn't gotten caught up with the times. No one uses it anymore, Dave. This kid don't want to work. I don't know how else to tell them outside. He's getting progressively older.
00:02:27
Speaker
Progressively less progressive. Yeah. A.I. is fun. We talked about it a little bit. This doesn't have to be the topic, but I'm just I'm putting what I'm doing is I'm like, take that and then put it in the front here. And just see if anyone will grab it. And if not, then I'll just like put it back behind the counter, kind of like the video game and you're cycling through items on screen at a time.
00:02:54
Speaker
You're just walking to the next time in the shop, you just put your hands, you're going to raise your eyebrows. Are you interested in this? Uh-huh. It's Kukiri shop sound plays in the background. I still think a lot of that stuff is cool. It's from like a speculation standpoint in the same way, like with CRISPR, you're like, Oh, holy shit. The possibilities are really cool slash terrifying. So it's fun to explore.
AI and Job Replacement Debate
00:03:17
Speaker
And then you forget about it. And there's something in like two years ago. Yeah.
00:03:22
Speaker
I'll fill the question to Demoot related to that. Are you concerned about AI coming for your job as a meme lord?
00:03:30
Speaker
Hey, I'm depressed. Yeah. That's another three years. He's good for a long time. I mean, the memedom right now, I think, has already kind of got exhausting. I don't know how many times I've seen Biden, Obama, and Trump playing a video game in the past like two weeks. And for the first like day or two, I was like, ah, that's pretty funny. And after that, it's like,
00:03:58
Speaker
Okay, I could totally fool my grandma if she was alive with this, but thankfully she's not. So she doesn't have to bear the torture of this crazy world where a lot of older people still don't know how to use their phones.
Deepfake Technology and Scams
00:04:12
Speaker
So to having some of this, it's kind of nutty.
00:04:19
Speaker
It's funny to think about how it's going to take a while for deepfakes and things like that to really reach the point that it's believable. And from a tech perspective, I mean, we are kind of pushing against that threshold for deepfake videos and things like that. But voice is particularly, it's very close, especially with some custom editing and some throughput, some passes at the end.
00:04:42
Speaker
But the other thing that's funny is it was completely unnecessary We didn't need reliable faked evidence to like convince people of anything. You don't need evidence at all to convince people of anything Yeah, I will say that I posted today in the discord a It's a video of like Ronnie from Eldering, but she's doing like the the meme copy pasta of like the Navy SEAL
00:05:09
Speaker
Oh yeah. But still within the context of Elden Ring, which I thought was cute. Yeah. It's fun for that, but yeah, it's wild. Mm-hmm.
00:05:20
Speaker
Have you ever heard it like break? Like if you, you know, you feed a normal paragraph, it'll, it'll speak it. But if you feed it like 50 L's in a row, um, I don't know how much you guys, uh, use Twitch too much, but there was TTS before all this AI got made it even better, but
00:05:40
Speaker
There are certain strings of characters that, you know, would help you make like, for example, like a sound of a printer from like the nineties. Oh, it was like very specific like characters. That's funny. If you put in like just like any like, you know, sometimes when you're you're typing in chat, you'll you'll end a word like the word game with a ton of ease at the end. Well, it it gets really confused by that and just starts making
00:06:08
Speaker
the most insane noises. Anyway, where I'm going with this is Dave already knows this, but the whole wubby universe crew of friends decided to start playing with AI and trained all of their friends' voices into a TTS
00:06:30
Speaker
where people can pay money to make, you know, type in copy pasta and make it sound like they're friends. Boy, howdy, they're raking in the money and some of the things that are that come out of it is pretty hilarious. But also, you know, again, kind of scary that like it sounds so much like these people and all they needed was like a 60 second clip to train it off of.
00:06:55
Speaker
No, that's because I mean, the obvious thing is like, let's say you make it say something inappropriate and you read that back for context. Like, well, here's literally audio of your voice and you're like, as it wasn't actually me. And it's also in a different context. Yeah.
00:07:12
Speaker
It's a lot harder to contest too, right? Like, especially if you were to like lower the bit rate or something like this and say this was a phone recording, for instance, right? It's going to be even harder to pick out discrepancies and things like that. So.
00:07:28
Speaker
We're not really in an age anymore where you hearing a recording of someone saying something means that they said it unless you can forensically authenticate the source, which is a lot harder and a lot of people aren't going to go to that length, right? We're going to have to two-factor our own phone calls, I guess.
00:07:51
Speaker
I know to respond to what you both said on one hand, I think it would be really fucking funny to like do that amongst our group of friends to like have a soundboard of a given person. Hilarious. I see a lot of potential there, but also the same time that we said that where people don't really verify data, there's like they see a thing or there's a reading like a headline of an article like, ah, and they just they just run with it. And I'm like, we're OK.
00:08:17
Speaker
people are like just shooting off in this space off of like one thing that was read. I'm like, did you check it, look into it or even think about it for half a second? No. Okay. Yeah. We were talking about, oops, sorry, you're good. All right. So it's also based off of like how popular the person is because if I had like
00:08:37
Speaker
a phone call from Obama, of course, there's going to be some skepticism to it. I had a phone call from like, this is your, you know, local police department, you know, officer, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, Oh, okay. Like I'm going to take that a hundred percent seriously. So, right. Yeah. There's determination of authority is going to be a lot more difficult with this in the future.
00:09:04
Speaker
also real talk since we're talking about old people not knowing how to use phones. I've spoken to some of my grandmothers on the phone occasionally and like they're pretty old. They're like up in their 80s at this point. But my one Nana has said to me that she has gotten calls from like
00:09:23
Speaker
a random grandchild where they don't really provide too much details. Essentially, it's a scam call where they're just calling an older individual saying, hey, I need some help, some money. My phone's busted. I had to call from somewhere else, yada, yada. If you can do that and you also have my voice and you call my grandmother,
00:09:40
Speaker
Yeah. Kind of spooky because she's going to think that it's me. Um, I mean, maybe like they would actually do the authentication, like text my mom or something. I don't know. But I mean, for a lot of people, no, they won't. Right. They won't text my mom. Do that. Well, I mean, that's probably, I think that that's a reason for yourself. Um,
00:10:07
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, we haven't really seen how we haven't seen how crazy the scams and things like that are going to get with it.
00:10:14
Speaker
I'm already at the point in my life where if it's an unknown number, I don't pick up because they'll call multiple times if it matters. And if they call multiple times and I don't understand, I don't know who they are, then that's even more. But I could potentially be susceptible to that, even that exact same thing. Unless I'm on my game, unless I'm cognitively, I just completed IT sec training on how to avoid being fished or something like that.
00:10:43
Speaker
Like you just need to catch someone when they're distracted or they're worried about something else or something and boom Gates are down and you're in so kind of put Scott in a whole different context real big fish. Yeah
00:10:55
Speaker
So, we're talking about old people getting fished. How would you specifically fish someone in our demographic? Like, if you were to have a plan, what's the direct input? V-box doubling, for sure. As soon as that offers- That's the thing with the younger Democrats.
00:11:18
Speaker
I don't know. I'll let Dave go first. So you're saying like somebody who's around our age or like, are they a little bit technically savvy? Your average bachelor degree, you know, early 30s folk.
00:11:39
Speaker
OK. So I would probably try and avoid the threats or like the sudden sense of urgency. Hey, we've locked out your account, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. Because everybody's seen that one. Who's our age? And you're just like, I ignore everything unless like they call me directly and have my information they're providing to me. Hmm.
00:12:06
Speaker
Honestly, it would probably be like something that seems semi-official, maybe more so from like a LinkedIn type of source where it's like, Hey, this is tangential to you. And like, here's an opportunity for something. Click a shady link, probably something like that to then steal some of like their network traffic, if anything. Kind of like foot in the door. Yeah. I don't think I could just get them to necessarily shell out money directly through a scan. Yeah.
00:12:38
Speaker
I think that's interesting. It's interesting you said LinkedIn because probably in like the past five years, the only time I could think of when I've ever possibly thought I could have been scammed was a recruiter reaching out on LinkedIn.
00:12:52
Speaker
And I'm very particular who I add on LinkedIn. And I see the company they work for. So I'm like, OK, let me look up, is this company real? I guess it's real. And then, all right, where is it from? And that's where things start to break down. And the guy was like, oh, basic saying, yeah, you'd be perfect for this job. And I say, OK, well, I want to make this money. Oh, yeah, that's fine.
00:13:22
Speaker
Okay, I like he's way too like you know Accept accepting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just you know Just just send me your resume and I'm trying to think why this guy pushing me to send my like resume so much Because I don't post everything, you know, I mean I know some people post their entire resume But I'm thinking some people like put kind of too much information on the resume like here's you know your phone number your email your your
00:13:50
Speaker
address. Yep. So I'm like, OK, I guess that's that's sort of one way that could happen. But, you know, Dave's looking around like I don't do that. I I touched LinkedIn when I like look for a new job. And then like after that point, like I cut all ties with everything. Like I won't go back on the Internet till I'm like job hunting again. But they'll always ask like, hey, like give me your most up to date resume, which makes sense from like a job hiring perspective.
00:14:18
Speaker
But a lot of times I'll just get emails about things where it's like, hey, do you want a job? We have a job. And I'm like, where is it? What is it? Is it hybrid? Is it just remote? Like, provide me any details to incentivize me to follow up with this instead of just saying it's spam. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm going to kind of cheap out for my answer and say I would definitely be
00:14:46
Speaker
most susceptible to one of these higher tech attacks where they're impersonating someone using inside information or their voice or something like that to just impersonate a source of authority that I would trust or a friend or something like that.
00:15:04
Speaker
Um, I still would like to believe I'd reach out in the side, especially since like, you know, over the last entire duration of my life, people do not reach out for me a little bit. I urgently need this. Right. So, uh, that one exception would probably be a little bit surprising.
00:15:21
Speaker
Um, I would say that's a pretty safe blanket rule for Let's say even if it is your bank and it seems like your bank they're like, hey, we're calling out to reach out to you about your account yada yada You can always say, uh, okay i'm gonna call you back in like Tomorrow, right? Yeah, and if they're like, no you can't Fuck them. Um, because you totally can it also gives you a chance to verify the number and
00:15:48
Speaker
That's a good call. That's the IT sec, actual response thing. If you're not sure about the number and it's an institution that you trust or someone that you work with, say like, hey, I'm busy right now. Let me call you back at the official number. Just boop, call them back and be like, was this you? I mean, I've honestly done that for doctor's offices where I was fairly new to them. I didn't know their number necessarily.
00:16:15
Speaker
And I also just didn't have time at the time. It was cool. Let me just call back later, but also just weeds that out. I had that happen. I was in Philly and I was kind of in a rush and had a phone call and they're like, Oh, we're from so-and-so credit union. Um, can we talk to you? But we have to verify your information and ask, you know, for this code, social security, whatever. I'm like, you called me. Let me, let me just.
00:16:42
Speaker
call the number and I'll call you back. They're like, oh, but you might not get so-and-so. I'm like, I don't care. I'll just call back. Give me your extension, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. So hang up, call back. And I was like, okay, I potentially, I was proud of myself. I avoided possibly a scam. No, actually, it was a legit thing. They're like, hey, guys,
00:17:02
Speaker
Sorry, we're calling because something happened on our security side, and now your information's on the dark web. We're just letting you know that. Oh, cool, cool. That's great. I was proud of myself. Stop stopping any sort of potential identity theft, and they're like- Put it in already? Yeah, it already happened. Yeah.
00:17:27
Speaker
I know that there's that website too, right? Like, have I been pwned? And I think Google also has a credential checker now where it's like if you have saved passwords, it'll say like,
00:17:40
Speaker
It'll basically cross reference with one of these sites that has a list of poned accounts, which is an old Leetspeak internet term, which sounds dirty to say. Did you spell pawn incorrectly? Yeah. It's poned. It's power owned. That's the only way to say it, right?
Social Media Scams and Identity Theft
00:18:01
Speaker
But yeah, basically, if your information is already out there and.
00:18:06
Speaker
It could be disconcerting sometimes. You're just like, crap, my Myspace account, what am I supposed to do? But that's, you know, potentially a vector. True. I don't think I'd be too like I've said multiple times, like I don't care about my own HIPAA violations. Anybody can know anything that's happening with my body. I do not care. It's my shitty body and I have to live with it is my thought. I'm just more concerned when it comes to financial stuff or possibly social stuff.
00:18:34
Speaker
Yeah, because I would hate for somebody to, let's say, go on just like Facebook and they then say like a lot of shitty things or like try and scam people I know. Mm hmm. And they're like, so why did you try and like sell me this soap for three hundred dollars, Dave? And I'm like, ah, really good. And right. Avon, what flavor is the soap, though? Let me ask that. Yeah. Ooh, chocolate flavor, chocolate, chocolate soap.
00:19:02
Speaker
I have this, um, we have like what a sugar based exfoliating scrub. It's like pomegranate sugar stuff. It's pretty good. I haven't tasted it, but we're not supposed to taste it. It's like sugar and salt or something. So I don't think it's going to be great. Sometimes you get those flavors. You're like, I wonder what it tastes like. But last time I bought a bar of soap, there was a legit dried piece of orange sticking out of it. And I'm like, okay, you guys are just tempting us too much. Like this is food. This is food.
00:19:31
Speaker
bubblegum soap i think one of the soap the bar soaps i have in there right now is like some type of beer is with it ah smells nice manly man huh yeah i gotta smell like the things that i drink yeah the drinks only
00:19:52
Speaker
Do you guys that did you see the college humor? This is old but college humor video with Brennan Lee Mulligan where he's like Various I think they had one specifically for tide is the one I'm thinking of where this is back when tide pods were a thing and kids are going around eating them and they had this parody satire skit where he's like
00:20:14
Speaker
Going to be doing marketing clips for these various products. They're creating and they all look edible, right? It's like here's a toilet cleaning sponge and it like looks like a lollipop and all this other stuff. Well, I think the most famous case of that being like true is Fabuloso. Have you guys ever seen this?
00:20:35
Speaker
It's specifically in like dollar generals, but it's just like the cleaning supplies soap, but they put it in a container that you would find in like the juice aisle and they're very vibrantly colored. So if, you know, anyone, you know, listener, look up, if you don't know what fabulous is, look it up. You'll want to drink it because it looks like Hawaiian punch, but don't do that. This is not a recommendation. I don't know what it tastes like.
00:21:05
Speaker
Usually I can go off the, it smells like soap. I won't put it in my body. Oh my gosh. This looks like grape juice. Can you, can you link it? Yeah. I'll link one of the images here. Um, you, the listeners can also hit the link.
00:21:22
Speaker
Just kidding. I'm not going to link to a random image in the
Product Packaging and Safety Concerns
00:21:27
Speaker
description. See, this is how we fish the listener. We send them a fake link of Fabuloso, but actually asking for, you know, the last three digits of the creator. Yeah. So I will say I see like the bubbles at the top. So the bubbles are not the coloring. The coloring is 100 percent just like, hey, this is like.
00:21:48
Speaker
an inexpensive Spanish soda at the dollar store, which they have. Yeah, the problem to describe this to our listeners, the issue I'm mainly seeing here is definitely the color of the beverage itself, but also the flowers.
00:22:05
Speaker
behind the logo at a distance, they look like fruit. Yep. Yep. And it looks like grapes. It does look like grapes. And I'm going to show you guys one that I. So it does say citrus and fruits on this one. But from a distance, these definitely is going to be the link. Oh, no, that's a text. That's the actual. Sorry. If you ever copy the link and you're like, that is the actual
00:22:30
Speaker
bite data for the image. This is not going to show up. Don't worry. I will write some code to convert this into an actual image. I'll see if I if I do this, maybe Discord will show a preview. If not, then there it is. It shows up. I mean, like those are just straight up strawberries, I think, or another flower. There's there is a strawberry. There's an apple, too. Yeah, no, it's.
00:22:58
Speaker
It's loud and proud. It's like this, this is, uh, this is fruit. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you should be able to have pictures of fruit on your, uh, cleaning supplies. Well, lemon pledge. Hear me out. I like that marketing. I think that's, I can see a kid being stupid or a parent just not paying attention.
00:23:20
Speaker
There's like tired, like sure, just put it in the cart. And they're like, Oh, I assume that it's juice. And they just put it in the fridge type thing. That wasn't a problem for us as kids. Because if you remember, there was a little sticker called Mr. Yuck that everybody was obsessed with for a little bit in the nineties. And they just like, Oh,
00:23:37
Speaker
My kid, they're just going to go underneath the sink at some point, and they're probably going to want to drink one of these delicious beverages, whether it be the toilet bowl cleaner or maybe this Fabuloso. But if I'm a kid and I see this as an option, I'm thinking, hey, maybe. Huh.
00:23:56
Speaker
I'll be honest, that worked more for me than the DARE program did. I'll agree with you. If you had Mr. Yuck on putting like Mr. Yuck stickers on the stuff. Like my parents made it a fun thing. It's like, hey, don't drink this. I'm like, OK, stickers. Yeah.
00:24:14
Speaker
So if the drug baggies you got at school had Mr. Yuck stickers, that would have helped you out. No way. Well, it was like, hey, stick out your tongue so you can put the LSD on there. And I was like, ah, got you. But your tongue's already protected by a Mr. Yuck sticker, so the LSD has no effect. Oh my god. I was going to say, if you free drank the Fabuloso before the LSD, that probably gives you nice coating over the tongue to be resistant. Gotcha.
00:24:42
Speaker
It reminds me of, uh, the Simpsons episode where Homer was in a beer drinking competition. Um, or no, chili eating competition. That's what it was. And, uh, it was too hot for him. So everyone mocked him and he's like, all right, I have the plan. I have the strategy. He goes over and drinks a candle, which is like in wax.
00:25:05
Speaker
then he goes and then like basically frozen mouth like eats a chili from this and is just standing there like no problem whatsoever then he breaks down as it takes effect anyways eventually and he has to go drink a bunch of beer and he was not supposed to be drinking that was the that's the episode there's your Wikipedia summary
Hot Sauce Challenges and Drinking Games
00:25:23
Speaker
I believe Justin had the same strategy when we did our Hot Ones Challenge a couple years ago at my summer party. Check a candle. Not a candle, but like soap. And I believe he got it from Alton Brown on an episode of Hot Ones because he did the same where he just swish around. I think it was like
00:25:48
Speaker
Johnson and Johnson no tears baby, you know shampoo and just switch it around your mouth and that's supposed to like Seal in some taste buds or something he'd probably be able to tell you Yeah, that's that's I don't know if he actually did it he brought it it was on the table But I wasn't paying enough attention
00:26:12
Speaker
Hmm. I remember a lot of people struggling around. What was it? 12 wings, like around the 10th wing, 90% of the way there. A lot of people were like, yo, fuck this. Once it hit the bomb, it was over. Like if you make it past the bomb, like the, the last two, it's there. They're nothing. You don't even care at that point. You're cause you're already dying.
00:26:34
Speaker
I think it's because the bomb is like so synthetically spicy and just disgusting where it's like, you can have other spice afterwards. You're like, my stomach just still doesn't feel great from that previous thing. It's just, right. Cause if something's spicy, if it's hot and it also tastes good, you can be like, there's, I'm getting something out of this, but if it, if it's hot and it doesn't taste good, what's the point? Right? Yeah. Just torture.
00:27:01
Speaker
Well, Jake, I know you will remember this when we got the, uh, dragon chicken cheesesteaks. I was thinking of pizza pub. Yeah. Jenera, did you ever get a chance to try those?
00:27:10
Speaker
I don't know what you're talking about. No. Okay. So I'm going to name drop the place because it's not near us anymore. It's also, I don't know if they're in business or at least I don't think they are. I think I'm pretty sure they got closed down for not paying wages. That's a good way to cease business. Yeah. So the establishment previously known as via Marconi's pizza pub.
00:27:34
Speaker
Yeah, they had this dragon chicken cheese steak and I love a good chicken cheese steak because I don't really need like all the beef grease. But man, the hot sauce they had for it was just so, so spicy and so flavorful. It was a beautiful thing. I would have loved to have actually just bought their sauce as a separate item.
00:27:53
Speaker
But the whole story is like the sauce for the dragon chicken cheesesteak, that dragon sauce was so spicy that they put like so many just like jalapenos on top of it to like help cool it down in comparison. It was really good.
00:28:09
Speaker
The strat is if you got like a full one, like both halves, you had to, as soon as you finished the first one, you could maybe get a sip of beer, but you need to go immediately into the second. Otherwise it would just start to kick in. Like you just had to power through. The secret ingredient was the tears of their workers not getting. Yeah. Spicier than I anticipated. Um, also we had their, their, their Buffalo chicken pizza, but we would substitute the Buffalo sauce for the, uh, the dragon fire.
00:28:40
Speaker
Well, now there's a new Buffalo chicken pizza in town. I mean, I felt like that was a segue into something, but yeah, he's talking about the pizza that was brought in for land, I think. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Which is really good. If you're listening, even if you're listening, you're ordering one. You're ordering one today. This is a command.
00:29:02
Speaker
That's going to be a new thing we do where if we name drop a certain food, Ian has to order that food. Oh, that's great. He's probably on board with that. We're not going to, we're not going to, we're not going to compensate him either. This is still, this is still a nonprofit organization, uh, soapstone incorporated.
00:29:21
Speaker
Did you guys ever grow up with challenges like that amongst your friends? I didn't have like growing up. Oh, OK. So moving on. So so explain that again. So like my buddy Steve, who I played Dota with.
00:29:38
Speaker
He still has like a passive thing with a couple of friends where they can ice each other. Meaning like they will hide bottles of Smirnoff ice around like their home when they come to visit. And if you find one, you have to stop whatever you're doing and drink it.
00:29:54
Speaker
Yeah, we did that for a time with a certain group of friends, but like, you know, it didn't work after a little bit because you're going to the same apartment and there's only so much room in an apartment and they'd always be hidden in the same places. Like, Oh no.
00:30:11
Speaker
One's by the coat rack. How ever would I have suspected that? And also just like getting older. It's like, hey, let's maybe not force our friends to drink. Middle of the weekday. Yeah. Yeah. It's three o'clock on a Thursday. Right.
00:30:31
Speaker
Which means it's almost frantic. Plus, the person at the apartment has the advantage. It's their own apartment. They can just walk around with their eyes closed. Yeah, no one's putting a smeared off ice in the toilet bowl of your toilet. So next time you need to get something in there, you open. Aw, man. I iced myself from three months ago.
00:30:54
Speaker
I just like the idea with that, similar to what we do for like Halloween and people just hiding shit around my apartment is the it's so fun to find something months after the fact and be like, the fuck?
00:31:06
Speaker
I literally had to tell Jake that I hid something in his jacket that I gave him. But I feel like I should have waited the cash in because it would have been like six months to a year. It would have been forever. I also sometimes don't check pockets or really use the pockets of jackets. So presumably I could have continued to wear it for an extended period of time without finding the item.
00:31:27
Speaker
I would find it in the supermarket. I would find it in church. I would be going to church for some reason. I'd be like, Oh, here's a, well, it was, it was a, it was a penis shot glass. I think is what it was. I'm just busted out in church. Go up to confession. Just falls out of the pocket. It's going to say go up to like communion and be like, Hey, Hey, uh, you got any more of that red wine?
00:31:55
Speaker
No, um Yeah, I can't think of any other like sort of Challenges that sort of come out. I mean we just had a sort of uh A weekend with the boys in philly this past weekend, which uh, you know was it was pretty tame things have gotten, you know progressively different as kids get married and
00:32:17
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In this case, two of my friends announce having children. So, you know, different stages in life for sure. So, mostly responsible, but my god.
00:32:33
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Tony, if you're listening, you stupid idiot. You should have just took the train to Philly. My man's got towed because he decided to not pay for parking in Philly. That's it. I don't have to give any more context.
00:32:50
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I would say that the children also are a complicating factor in icing your friends because it's like it's really awkward when like your kid finds the bottle and it's like, no, no, we all abide by the rules. You have to drink it. You'll have their sippy cup. They can't take a knee while doing it because they can't even walk normally. So they're already on all fours. I doubt they even have kneecaps at that point. Oh my gosh.
00:33:16
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I didn't know about that. It is the weirdest fact about children. One of the reasons I'm not ever going to have children. Someone told me that, are they really? They're not even just like tiny, like, nope, they just don't have them. It's like they got them when they're four, right?
00:33:32
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The number is higher than I thought it would be, which was immediately. I thought you had kneecaps immediately. Right. It kind of makes sense, I guess. It is just a bone, right? It's not like you're born with all of the bones in your body off the jump. A lot of those come with time. That's a human passive.
00:33:53
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Well, losing your bone teeth is also like a weird thing, right? Oh my god, I don't even know. It's like, no. We've got an incidental horror. Uh-huh. I was listening to Dagoth or AI read. I think it's The Color from Outer Space, short story by H.P. Lovecraft.
00:34:21
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And did nothing in that story is as terrifying to me as us talking about teeth. Um, but it is, it's part of that's like very other world leader. I can separate this as fantasy and not real versus I will have to go to the dentist to get something. The dentist. I just don't like thinking about it.
00:34:47
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I'm glad that we don't have to do. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to bring up a video game. I've recently played that. Neither of you, probably no one has heard about, but it's kind of the bumping thing right now. We don't talk about video games anymore. Signing off.
00:35:07
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So, really hot in the economist world, but it's called the fiscal ship.
00:35:17
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And you could type it in your browser if you're a listener and you're at your computer, but the whole concept of the fiscal ship is to balance the budget of the United States government while also implementing whatever policies that you see fit that you would like to also implement.
00:35:37
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It's very realistic. There is a way to win the game. But, you know, it it's pretty interesting to, you know, you might lean one way or the other. Maybe you're a little bit of a middleman to see how different things will affect the debt. And honestly, I thought it'd be like a big snooze fest. I played it for like five minutes. This is kind of interesting to see. So I just figured I'd plug that because it's an educational game.
00:36:08
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I have a friend who's a history teacher and he talks about like playing these history based learning games and how he's like good at them and they're like, he'll have his students play it. So honestly, I could see him passing that along to them. Yeah. Yeah. Pass along on him, I guess. That's a cool idea. I'm curious having not played it, if it's going to
00:36:35
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It's going to be as oppressive as something like Frostpunk, where it's just like, all right. I mean, it's pretty tough to balance the budget. But if we want to maintain the military, the children are going into the mines. Well, it gets into some pretty sticky stuff. It's like, hey, you want to bring minimum wage up to $15 an hour.
00:36:58
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But if we're super in debt, you can also raise the retirement age like two years. And then if you're one of your policies you're trying to do is social welfare, the way you win it is get three stars in whatever policy you're shifting. So at one point, I was at three stars, I was doing a bunch of good for the people, and the debt was still kind of high.
00:37:21
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you know, maybe raising the retirement age two years isn't such a bad thing. And it was like, no, no. Uh, I don't know if you've guys seen the French protest earlier, uh, in the past year over raising the retirement age, but they were mad and you do not want to piss off the French. So I could only imagine if that happens here, but it's, you know, it's a possibility of the, if the numbers say it brings down the dead a ton, um, that might be a necessary evil.
00:37:52
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I'm kind of curious, I guess the retirement age is when you would get payouts like for, I can never remember, Medicare or Medicaid. I think it's Medicaid, right? No, one of those is for the military. Medicare would be, and then also what you paid into Social Security as well.
00:38:14
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Yeah, I was just thinking about that and I was like, does it really even matter? I mean, like, I don't know if I'm ever going to be at a point where I'm like financially, it makes sense to retire versus like work close to a volcano and just pack it in one day. Um, strategy. Yeah. Um, but yeah, those two things actually are big factors.
00:38:40
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That's the most adult game we've ever talked about, and we've literally talked about honey pop at some point. Oh yeah, I totally don't have that in my life. In a different game realm, I've just had a
00:38:58
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a one week sprint of pretty much every Smash hopefully to make you guys proud. I know Dave has been more in tune with what I've been going on with Smash, but basically I never had Smash growing up.
00:39:14
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And, uh, I went to our local video game store and I was like, Hey, give me your first smash because also a couple of weeks ago, I believe you guys
Nostalgia with Classic Video Games
00:39:23
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talked about it. And you're like, God, the first smash is absolutely awful. I was like, you know what? I'm going to buy it. And so I can experience that myself. And boy, howdy, I had the boys over and we played the first smash and it sure was a game.
00:39:39
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Yeah. I put a lot of time into it. It exists. I think like back when I had an N64 and was playing games with my brother and stuff, that was the number one game. We also got time into Perfect Dark and stuff like that, but honestly, it became
00:39:56
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Like freaking smash. Yeah. It was like the peak of technology at the time and it was multiplayer. So you could like do random shit with your friends and then like blast them off the screen because you destroyed them and you're like, yes, more of that, please. Yeah. Like it has also laid back for it. There's like 12 characters, maybe even fewer. And that might have been like eight. I can't remember exactly. And like two of them were competitively viable. That was that was about it.
00:40:26
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Yeah, I don't know how to unlock them. It's just the corners have four mystery players and I don't know who they are. But I've also played for maybe just an hour and I'm just like, okay, let's move on to the next one.
00:40:42
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I think a call a lot of them I think all of them have it but I think initially was always just hey you have to play to unlock it's actually like so many matches a big hey a challenger approaches and you have to beat them to unlock them at least that's how it was in melee and based on the outline you're like oh it's gonna be luigi yeah yeah and we did play melee after so that was much better jumping from one to the other it was well love that melee is still insane but it
00:41:14
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infinitely outshines 64, I think. They added a lot of complexity between the two and it doesn't feel nearly as janky. And I mean, the fact that the melee scene is still probably, I don't know if it's the biggest or not for Smash, but it's probably second biggest.
00:41:34
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Um, if it's not at the top, it's either melee or ultimate. I know people also play brawl, but not as many. It's like the most competitive scene. So especially since there's, um, there's an emulator for melee. I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head, but it has better net code and all that stuff.
00:41:52
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And I did pick up Ultimate just like four days after I got the first smash. And I'm talking to the local game store guy, and he's like, hey, I need a pro controller. What do you got? And he's like, well, if you really want to go pro,
00:42:10
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you want to use the GameCube controller. I'm like, dude, I'm literally just buying this game. I don't I'm not going pro anytime soon, but he was talking about how there's like a specific claw grip that people do with the GameCube to, I don't know, maximize their abilities and doing that. I'm like, I didn't play the GameCube growing up, so it's not like natively comfortable to me.
00:42:35
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I mean, the controller's fine, but the pro controller just feels natural.
00:42:41
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I mean, yeah, the game controller is weird. It is an objectively weird controller, right? Like PlayStation, Xbox, they all went to this vaguely double trigger on one side for buttons on this part. Thumb sticks thing in the GameCube is just like, I don't really care. Just put a bunch of freaking it's really clear. It's the successor to the N64 controller because it's slightly more reasonable.
00:43:09
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Yeah, I was gonna say, going from N64 to that, it's like, okay, this is way better, but if you were just handed a GameCube controller as your first controller and you just looked at it and like, I don't know if it's supposed to look this way or not. Something about it just seems off.
00:43:26
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Also, this is maybe literally a dick measuring contest, but like when you'd have a wrapped up controller and like you'd hold it up and then you just like let go, like you'd hold the end of the cord and let it unfurl. Like I think PlayStation 2 had probably the longest cord and then probably Xbox and then GameCube would just be like, so you had to have those four people crowded around the GameCube so they could all fit on the couch.
00:43:51
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I think they had like cable extensions and stuff. Oh yeah, they always had headphones. The wireless GameCube controller goes for a lot of money, which, you know, I'm surprised, but I don't know why they just don't. Maybe they do. I can tell you that shit. Oh, because of just like latency. Yeah, latency. Yeah.
00:44:15
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Yeah, I mean, the other thing is I don't think that there was I don't believe that there ever was a native wireless GameCube controller like while the GameCube was this old console. I think that's the one. I think it's incorrect. I think there was one. It was just.
00:44:33
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Every time I'll occasionally, because I like looking around at the, you know, the game store, I'll see one. It's like, you know, $150 for a used controller. I'm like, what the hell? You know, you can get, you know, the, those fancy Xbox pro controllers for that sort of money. Why do I need a wireless game queue controller? That's probably at least 10 years old now. Right. Yeah. I think that part is limited supply. They're not making them anymore. So it's like a legacy collector's item.
00:45:03
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Hmm. Yeah, I couldn't find anything immediately It looks like there are more options for the switch gamecube controllers for the switch, but gamecube controller for a gamecube is I Would be more surprised and impressed honestly if that could be sourced For the original gamecube because the things I've seen a lot of times in tournaments and things like that also the guy who's talking to you He's not wrong like if you go to the top of the smash
00:45:32
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players, almost all of them are using GameCube controllers. But the reason for that is because they played older Smash games, right? They're not coming into like, they're not fresh with ultimate. They're just like, man, I'm freaking tired to tech in time to play a platform fighter, right? Like that's not a common career direction. But
00:45:58
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Like I don't think there's that many differences. I also agree that the pro controller is more ergonomic. The GameCube controller has a couple of advantages and that like the left stick, I'm just going to like turn the fake controller in my hands towards you. The left stick has like dedicated directional notches that are more pronounced in the game controller because it doesn't have that smooth kind of like silky rotation. Yeah, it's clicking and set.
00:46:28
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which can be nice for like very direct inputs and things like that. I'm sure it's nice for Kazi. I was a character I play, but it doesn't seem necessary. And if you use a switch, sorry, go ahead.
00:46:41
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No, I interrupted you. Finishing my topic real quick. If you use the Switch Pro controller, you can just be like, all right, I'm going to go play Xbox. I'm going to go play PlayStation. And it's like the same for you can controller with minor changes. Just on the quick topic of controllers, what was used for Brawl on Wii? Because, you know,
00:47:02
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We mode. Was there a different controller controller game controller? Oh, oh, well, there was a ways that didn't have the GameCube controller outlet to it, too, like later. They honestly would not use that console. Oh, yeah. But like traditionally for like those tournaments, I think they've always had it where it was an option for GameCube controller because they've been using that for fucking ever.
00:47:29
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Yeah, occasionally you will see people who are like, well, here's why I got this big ass arcade board. Like I'm actually playing tech in a top tier. No jump. I like, oh, well, the button mapping is actually easier to do. X, Y and Z. Awesome. You do you almost took the throw controller for life because it feels good in my hands. I've been using it for years. Can't go back.
00:47:51
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The other issue with an actual fighting pad is you really aren't taking advantage of two sticks. It's probably single stick most of the time, plus a bunch of buttons, because it's optimized for all of these inputs. And Smash isn't really that kind of game. There's normally two attack buttons with variance-based off inputs. You don't have to be like,
00:48:14
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Here's the Sega Genesis. Roll your hand across like every single freaking button. There's 10 dedicated buttons there like a pad has. So no judgment for people who use GameCube controllers, but I'm just too casual. I generally don't do fighting games because I'm always.
00:48:35
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cognizant of like the crazy combo maps like sometimes you see it's like oh here's the move set list and just this long just like scrolling lists of okay you know you hit triangle three times in a row and then left right and this is one move and like I'm never going to purposely use that like I can't remember this and
00:48:55
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And it just like so far in my very beginner phase of experiencing Smash has been like, okay, you know, I'm just clicking this very simple, you know, array of buttons in different manner, but not, you know, this complex equation. I'm not like, you know,
00:49:15
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Pythagorean's theorem over here is to jump. Well, save Kazia. Thankfully, all the characters in Smash, like it is just a button and direction input, sometimes not no direction even needed. But it is really simple to be like, oh, this does this. And you've consistently learned that piece.
00:49:34
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So what comes with time in practice is like, oh, when I do this move, I maybe have enough time to do this move afterwards. It's like you find when you get to like weave in stuff together. But even if you're just doing like a single move at a time, it still feels fun. As long as you're playing with people who are, hey, I'm playing this casually or, oh, you guys are playing. Can I hop in? That type of vibe.
00:49:58
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Versus like you go to a friend's house who owns the game and they've been practicing the whole school week while you weren't visiting at their house. Oh, you're that person. It's like I was that person in high school for a little bit because I had GameCube and Melee and I would be like, this game is fun. I played alone. And then my friends come over, I'd be like, let's play. And then you just have to have to balance it a little bit.
00:50:24
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Yeah, it's not entirely like casual. It's I think it is less. It's less hardcore in the community, definitely in the fighting games community compared to like Tekken or Street Fighter or anything like that. But Smash does have other elements that introduce complexity that those games don't necessarily have to worry about. Like Tekken, not to be confused with Tekken is like
00:50:52
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you hit a shield input within a window of time when you would have made contact with the stage. And rather than being bounced off the stage, your character can make a recovery. And that's kind of like an idea in Smash, like vertical interactions to a certain extent exist in other fighting games, like Guilty Gear or something like that. Or what was the what was the versus Capcom? I mean, just Marvel's Capcom, Marvel versus Capcom. Thank you.
00:51:20
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That one had like some crazy verticality. It's not like that in most fighting games, but Smash, absolutely it's a factor. Some characters are just better in the air, some characters are better on the ground, some can attack really quickly while jumping, all this other stuff. So it tends to be pretty fast paced, but not as combo focused.
00:51:40
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Um, cause use the exception high tier cause you players like have a little bit more of that. Something you would experience when you see like a tournament for a traditional fighting game, say it's like mortal combat and someone's like, Oh, they just hit them up into the air. They're at half health. Um, okay. I mean, it's over unless they drop the combo, right? Like you just know that you can execute, if they execute everything properly, it's over. That's less of the thing in special.
00:52:08
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And I don't even know who this character you're talking about is because I'm still trying to unlock characters. And there's so many. Yeah, he's DLC. So unless you buy the character packs, he won't be in the game. You don't have to worry about him.
00:52:26
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The other characters I would throw in to Dave's recommendation also to kind of just avoid in the early game or the Shoto characters or like the fighting game characters, because they're all they have like a little bit more of that traditional fighting game input, although severely pared down compared to what you were describing that combo list.
00:52:46
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Like Kazia, for example, has a bunch of different moves that are all variances based off of the exact same input. It's just like forward, down, diagonal, forward, and then hit a button. But it looks real fancy when you're watching it, but behind the scenes is always the same input. And then just a different last button. So.
00:53:09
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I'm just playing Kirby right now because that's what the story started off as. And I was like, I, I'm pretty sure people still play Kirby and, you know, so fun. I like that. He was the only one who survived that cutscene. And they're like, you go. It's because the creator of Kirby and the game director for Smash Ultimate. So he always survives. There was actually a form.
00:53:37
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Yeah, pretty much. There was actually some of the character introductions for Smash had relatively, the word gruesome is not truly realistic, but implied gruesome intros. Like I think Luigi dies because he sees a ghost or something like that, or he's like killed by a vampire. When Castlevania characters were added, like Richter.
00:54:00
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And then like when Ridley was added, it's like Samus and Mario and someone else, Mega Man, I think, walking on like a causeway causeway. I think that's the right word, catwalk. And like Mega Man just gets abducted just super fast, like a shadow behind them. And they're like, what's going on? They look back to the to the front and then like Mario gets impaled in silhouette by Ridley's tail.
00:54:27
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It's actually if you go back and look at it, yeah, Mario freaking like dies there. And this is that intro cutscene, right? This was the everybody getting announcement. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, Ridley shows up and he's just spinning Mario's cap on his finger.
00:54:45
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I gotta watch that again because actually when they introduced Sephiroth they had him like essentially quote unquote stab Mario through shadow and so the sword was actually just going through his uh His overall. Mm-hmm. It's like he's a spender on this. Sorry, it's a spender He was on the sword not actually impaled because they wouldn't impale their main character That's me voiced by Chris Pratt
00:55:08
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They did. They did really sell it, though, in that cutscene, because like I think Mario even goes like limp and then he just like looks over and he's like, oh, it's great. All this to say, we're glad that you're jumping on the train.
00:55:26
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Yeah, I I was you know partially motivated because I'm just I'm just sick of overwatch and I'm sorry someone's gonna hear this and we're like no play overwatch Jenny doesn't listen to the podcast good because I'm sorry Jenny it's like and I've talked about this with Dave like I
00:55:50
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Uh, something just like fell off between, you know, the, the, the sequel and I just don't enjoy it any longer. And, um, I just wanted something else and I don't, I don't, I don't bounce around
Gaming Preferences and Monetization Fatigue
00:56:06
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games too much. I need like one thing to be hooked on to. And, uh, so right now I'm hooked on this and I'm not very good at all, but.
00:56:16
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I'm sure trying and I know there was at least some at least two people who are very dedicated to playing So that's us we're supporting the entire We went different ways but both with the sarcasm Yeah To the overwatch thing. I can kind of I can agree though. It's very much like an RPG Like I equivalent equivalent There's a word that's like a vacate equivocate
00:56:46
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I would like to equivalently compare. I don't know what words are to an example of like you play a game for a while and you're like, all right, this is it. This is the game. And then you take a break from it and you come back and you're like, now that I've kind of refreshed my palate, now that I've done some other things, I find that I don't have the drive to do this anymore after taking that break.
00:57:08
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And Overwatch 2 is basically that break. Like I was already kind of fading a bit towards the end of Overwatch 1, but I just didn't have, and I don't have much incentive to play the game right now. Especially with Destiny going on. But even if I wasn't playing Destiny as much, like
00:57:26
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I really haven't been playing Overwatch, even when there's nothing else out. So I'm there with you. It was like a group game for the Discord for years. Like we played at LAN parties a lot of times, like, oh, people around. Oh, let's get a group together and get going. And like you play for a couple hours. It's fun.
00:57:43
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Yeah, but it's just I think a good half to a third to a half of people were just kind of like, Hey, I feel like I'm kind of burn out in the exact same thing. Yeah, like they haven't really changed the format or anything and like what they've added hasn't been crazy. They're now doing anime tie ins, I guess, for stuff is fine. It's gone the Fortnite route from a distance.
00:58:05
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Yeah, but again, it doesn't affect me cuz I'm not playing it and I'm also on the destiny train of just That's my main game and my second game was dota 2 and those are my social games, right? I don't really have a single-player thing at the moment yet. That's out of maybe Well, I won't delve into all that yet, but I'm an S. It's appropriate. Hold on
00:58:30
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I just like not being actively sold something and that's why I've been like slowly digressing I guess on where I'm gaming so I've never been like a console gamer and suddenly I have like all these old games that like I haven't experienced before that you know
00:58:49
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You know, I haven't played Shadow of the Colossus. Let me try that out. I've heard good things about it. Let me give that a try. And I'm not logging in every day and saying, oh, you know, for only 2,600 coins, you can get this skin. Oh, by the way, you know, there's a battle pass and you're a working man and you only might play two hours a week.
00:59:16
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But you better be playing more if you're going to make the most out of this battle pass and it's just like I'm exhausted. I just want to have fun. Right. I don't want to grind for dailies. I just want to beat the next chapter. Yes. Get to a safe point. Oh, nice.
00:59:32
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When I had time in college doing like, wow dailies, that was fine. I don't know how you could be a working man playing a lot of these sort of games now, but I'm sure a lot of people do. It's just, ugh.
00:59:48
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I can do it in a burst. And that's what I have been doing for Destiny. Right. But I think there's a big difference. We had an episode where we talked about season passes and all that stuff. And part of the bad taste it can put in your mouth is if the game's expectation of either how or how much they want you to engage is different from your own, then it leads into this kind of like bitterness, essentially. Right. Where it's like, I have to play the game instead of I want to play the game. And that's the death of fun.
01:00:18
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Yeah, it's homework then yeah like contrast that to destiny which has ample problems I'm not here to be an apologist the story for the latest expansion has all its problems all that's whatever the crap, but the season pass is like if you're Enthusiastic about playing for a week like I was last week. I got halfway through the season pass and just that week and it's like
01:00:48
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However, many, I think it's like, it lasts like three months, something like that. It's either two or three months. So like that's a very different experience compared to like try hardy and pounding out games and overwatch. I could watch something on the side. I could listen to music. I could do whatever while I'm playing the game and getting this done. And I just don't want to try hard all the time constantly. So it's harder to play in FPS games as of service. Yeah.
01:01:18
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I think I think they have their place, but man, if it's not something that needs to go back in the pendulum, has to swing back towards the consumer. A lot before this is why I can't recommend certain immersive games more like always suck. Elton rings dick. But like for me, that was a single player game where like I wouldn't play online with people. It's like, no, no, no, this is my Elton ring time.
01:01:44
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So like I would just get into it and like play for a couple of hours or when I would play things like last of us or near like it's nice to just sit down and be like, I care about what's going on. I want to get invested in the world and the gameplay.
01:02:00
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And then come back, be like, yo, guys, I had really a whole bunch of fun doing this. Yeah, it is nice to just have that separate allocated time and space where, as you said, it's not marketing to you. It's just I purchased the game. I own the game. I can now experience the contents of the game at my leisure. Yeah, exactly.
01:02:20
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And that's the other thing that's alluring to like the old older stuff and even just just now it's switch stuff I rather just have a cartridge then download things anymore because I've you know, I've seen people lose their steam account and Unfortunate, but you know at one point
01:02:43
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very early on is just Hey, you know, downloading, you'll get it right away. And you can pre download things that on release date, you already have it. And you're not going to lose anything. But now just like, I like having the thing. I like being able to say, you know, I can sell this again, if I wanted to, or just like, take it with me and also just not having it to be, you know, online 100% of the time to run.
01:03:12
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Yeah, I know says before to Jake, or at least probably in the podcast once, I like a tangibility for certain things. Like I've never really upgraded my car audio. It's always a CD player. So I have a fucking black book with like CD sleeves. And if I ever a passenger in the car, I'm like, hey, musically, you got to pick one of those. Those are our options. And I'm plugging in my phone for Spotify. It's you have to pick from what I've what I consider to myself to listen to.
01:03:41
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But I like working with those limited options occasionally, because it's, I guess, a little bit of throwback. And also, you're not really swamped for choice.
01:03:52
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I think we both would agree that physical console games are the way to do it. Dave and I have basically exchanged libraries at this point where I had like all of his games and I gave him Spider-Man, which is fair I think. I probably couldn't make the jump for PC though and part of that is basically because of
01:04:14
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custom builds and I just don't want to buy DVD players anymore. So everything you can anymore. Yeah. Well, I'm sure you can, but I mean, the last time I looked, they were like 20 bucks and I was probably over a decade ago. I don't know how much a DVD player is anymore. Um, CD, DVD player. I always forget that. Like I haven't had a disc drive and at least six years.
01:04:38
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It's really weird to think about. But if you are in the PC space and you're concerned about the Steam thing, concerned about DRM, all of that, there's always other providers like GOG, where it's just like, hey, you have an account? Great. Here's an executable. What happens if I run it? It's like it installs the game. It's like, do I need to? Nope, that's it. You just run the executable. Like, what if I give it to someone else? And they're just like, please don't do that.
01:05:03
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And that's like the extent of it, right? So there's still some bastions of that kind of, I don't want to say easy distribution, but right of ownership is probably the better phrase for it. And you mentioned it, but you guys have traded games off and on. And because I haven't really had too much console stuff going on until lately, my buddies were over.
01:05:30
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One of them came up and was like, hey, can I borrow Paper Mario? And I'm just like, look at it. And I'm thinking to myself, oh, that is a possibility. I couldn't lend out games. I'm like, yeah, go ahead. I enjoyed it. I'm done playing it. I'm probably not going to pop it in for a long time. So have fun, bud. And to make this full circle, at some point, they will return that game and you'd be like, oh, I forgot I had this. Paper Mario. I did want to play that at some point. Solid game.
01:05:58
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Which is actually also a game I'm borrowing from Dave right now. Surprisingly long. I was kind of surprised by that, but good. I mean, if it's like the original, I did play the one for N64. It was like a full freaking RPG. Like it's like closer to JRPG than ERPG. Where the E is English, not erotic. But yeah.
01:06:28
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Well, always a pleasure to have you on, you know, always good to have your, your insight and input. And hopefully I didn't talk over you too much. No, I have fun with you guys. This is a good time.
01:06:40
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That's adorable. I was really hoping for like, um, some sort of sarcastic quip or, or something like that to end it on. But, you know, I did notice Dave didn't say anything. So I'm just going to assume it's a little bit talk over you. Fuck both of you. There we go. Excellent. It's always good to have, there's the Hardy goodbye from Dave. All of our guests are hand selected. So you are one of our, oh no.
01:07:08
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On that note, I'm not going to make a related comment to the outro. If you have ideas for episodes, nothing to do with feet. No feet related games. Send those ideas into footclan.com. I assume the fandom for the opposing force in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, right? Those are Shredder's guys, yeah.
01:07:32
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but I don't know what that site is. So I'm scared now. Uh, soapstone podcast at gmail.com for legitimate requests and facebook.com slash soapstone podcasts for illegitimate requests. And as always, we'll see in the next one, something about feet. I love it.
01:08:39
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