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Episode 93: Match Review Monday - A point away from home from Fulham!
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Southampton – It wasn't all that exciting, but it was a point away from home. We do our best to discuss all things Fulham game.
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:10
Zak
Hello and welcome to the Daily Southampton part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. I am your host, Sacking Gophinch, as ever, joined by my wonderful co-host, Gregory Elliott, during this festive Christmas period. How are you doing, mate?
00:00:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh yeah, I'm alright mate. I'm just about woken up from that nap of a game and...
00:00:30
Zak
To be fair, after how busy your last couple of days of it, mate, you probably needed it.
00:00:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it sure is Christmas.
00:00:39
Zak
it really It really is, and I think that's where some of that some of that can be lost in between, you know, are those Sky according it, like football, dartsmiths or whatever it
Focus on New Manager Ivan Juric
00:00:47
Zak
is. But for Southampton fans, I think it's all about our new manager, Mr Ivan Juric. So yesterday on Saturday, yes, sorry, whenever we are at this point, Saturday, whenever Saturday was, we finally had the confirmation that he will be our manager for supposedly the next 18 months, signed an 18 month contract.
00:01:08
Zak
He wants possession not possession space, football he wants aggressive football with a high press. He has watched tons of our games apparently and can instantly see where he can sort of make changes. And after what I can call a game that about half of it I spent staring at Craven Cottages, big posts that hold up their roof thinking that must be a nightmare to try and sit behind that.
00:01:35
Zak
that says everything you need to know about the game but he also watched that game and I think that we saw a couple of times Greg how how frustrated he was at where we're at so I guess it yeah it's one of those things where like
00:01:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was hard to tell at the end of the game whether that picture was just a frustration at the lack of going forward or just bewilderment at Toolpool in general.
00:01:59
Zak
Coming from a couple of years in a similar sort of situation of Torino to turning around and making him great, a couple of months at Roma that didn't really pan out too well to sort of another project where he's got to try and get us out of an issue of a shoestring budget, I do wonder if he's realized what he signed up for watching us today because I think it is very different watching us in person.
00:02:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
We had a couple of clips of him texting how much she think he was involved in any of the decisions today.
00:02:28
Zak
i I wouldn't be surprised if you wanted to...
00:02:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Has that started in line up?
00:02:31
Zak
That starting lineup surprised me, right? Because the starting lineup, I think we were kind of right with most of it, but the Armstrong decision,
Lineup Surprises and Tactical Challenges
00:02:41
Zak
which seemed just a bit left field.
00:02:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:43
Zak
And I think I discussed it the other day, I think, in our crossover. But then when we did the preview, when you asked me to pick an 11, I didn't have him anywhere near it. I thought maybe he'll come back in, maybe he'll come back on the left.
00:02:55
Zak
I didn't think he would come in as our sort of soul. Stryker and it didn't really pan out. So maybe he made some of those decisions.
00:03:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
This is like such a strange decision to me because we saw on Wednesday that Cameron Archer has the ability to play as that isolated striker and continue to give the defence questions and ask them questions, even without a huge amount of service. And let's be honest today, there was zero service, even if Adam Armstrong played to the best of his abilities. But what Adam Armstrong brings is a completely different kettle of fish because he is more happy to drop deep and receive the ball deeper but actually what it led to is on several occasions he was almost in a holding midfield row and we but booted the ball up the pitch and then he's already 10 yards behind.
00:03:41
Zak
Yeah like even even my wife who bless her sat with me and I say watched it she paid no attention because she was quite frankly there was nothing really to pay much attention to but even she went at times that did she did
00:03:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
where
00:03:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
well We had a shot on target, what do you need?
00:03:53
Zak
The time she did glance up was sort of like, you know, I was trying to point out to her, I was like, you see the number nine over there? Yeah, the one that's right back there. He should be all the way up there. So we do pass it up, but then obviously it didn't really feel like that kind of game.
00:04:07
Zak
So yeah, it seemed like an odd decision, but also it could be as simple as fitness because, you know, we've got, had a game Wednesday, game today, got another game coming up midweek and we got another game at the weekend.
00:04:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:04:17
Zak
It's a really jam packed schedule. So maybe, you know, Archer wasn't feeling up for it, but I think everyone, even the commentators on Sky were talking about how it he must be feeling a little hard done by if the decision was anything to do with form or tactical direction because it was just a bit strange.
00:04:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:04:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
and then we put him on in the second half, we ripped Diblin off and instead of playing him in that position to start with where he'd shown so much strength in the week against Liverpool, yeah we started him further out wide where he struggled to get in on the game at all until about 20 minutes into the second half and we then sort of shifted it and put armour out on the left instead and then decided to play Archer through the middle and but but it's so hard to judge because you can only watch what he's doing off the ball so much but when he can't get the ball out of your own half out to him yeah it's it was tricky one it was just a bit of a nothing game wasn't it there was
00:05:12
Zak
You said historically these games kind of not
Game Performance Analysis
00:05:15
Zak
a lot happens. I decided to vote against that. in our predictions, I was horrifically wrong. I think the positives immediately to take from it though is that regardless of how boring it was, it was a clean sheet.
00:05:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:30
Zak
If we'd done that every game so far, we would not have a lot of points, but we'd have more points than we have now.
00:05:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right, look, you have to take the positive that we have 20% more points than we did at the start of the day, which is in itself a depressing stat in it.
00:05:42
Zak
Oh, that's a... That's quite a few... depressing stats in that game and I think that like I remember I didn't spiral and have a meltdown the first half but I know that our text in back and forth was just a I think my frustrations of the last couple of weeks boiled over because I really enjoyed watching the Liverpool game and watching that game was just I was like paint drying would be more interesting but then also that was that was down to the fact that kind of Fulham didn't play their best game and probably had more than a few opportunities to put the game to bed but they never really seemed like they were good at who
00:06:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:16
Zak
And whenever we have the ball in the final third, it's like, we either do way, way too much of it too quickly.
00:06:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:06:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, I know what I'm doing this far up the pitch better turn around and pass it backwards.
00:06:23
Zak
Yeah, but it's not, it's not even that it's like, it's like they're almost scared to take a shot on ever.
00:06:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:29
Zak
And that's, that includes, that includes everybody only sort of.
00:06:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe that's a hangover from Martindale.
00:06:33
Zak
ah ah Yeah. And I think that's going to be one of the things that has to change. And I think it's going to be whichever ah striker adapts to that the most quick that will probably get those opportunities, you know?
00:06:44
Zak
And I guess we'll just have to see because, you know, we're going to have a January transfer window coming up the new manager in. He has already discussed. He wants to sort of sort us out defensively. Classic Saints is being linked with one of our previous defenders, Kevin Danso, who you might remember a little bit, who played you in Austrian played in the hospital a short amount, didn't really have a huge amount of opportunities, went away from us and played really, really well.
00:07:13
Zak
I would find it baffling for him to to come back or anyone would really want to come back at the moment with the state that we're in.
00:07:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
i know I think there were still positives to take defensively from the game today. Nathan Wood, I think, had a really good game and I think has really stepped up well, you know, since he's been brought into the team.
00:07:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Howard Bellis just seems to be everywhere in the back line. He seems to be getting and in the way of just about everything full and dry. So, you know, there are still holes that we need to plug, but but it feels like we're getting there.
00:07:39
Zak
well
00:07:42
Zak
It's never going to change overnight. And you've said it time and time again before that it never was everything to do with Russell Martin. it's There's a lot more going on than I think the that needs to be looked at than just the manager and the style of play. And I think that those things will start to come into fruition with our new manager.
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00:07:59
Zak
So after break, we we think we'll have a discussion about some of the substitutions, some of some more individual personnel, because there's not really a lot else to talk about in the game apart from the one or two chances we had.
00:08:11
Zak
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Substitutions and Player Development
00:08:41
Zak
Wonderful. So we are back. some of the You've already mentioned like the first sort of substitution that that we saw today, which was Tyler Dibbling off for Archer.
00:08:52
Zak
Interesting one, that one. Is it because he's young and he's played a lot recently? Is it that he wasn't really doing a lot for us? What do you think he worried about that one?
00:08:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah no i'm not particularly worried i think it's just a case of like you say managing minutes we've got a lot of games coming up he's very young we don't want to be burnt by something that we've been burnt by before and yeah uh he had quite good first half not the best he's had and it just goes back to the tendency we've noticed before from him where he just tries to do maybe one too many things every time he's on the ball and i think actually i said it to you as we were talking back and forth in the game that it's
00:09:01
Zak
or
00:09:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's actually almost the blessing and the curse of his confidence, right? Because his confidence is what drives him to that in the game and what brings him as the sort of shining star of the team that drags the team forward because that's what he wants to do. But also it's that same confidence that makes him think he's the best player to take this on when sometimes he just needs to release the ball half a second earlier.
00:09:55
Zak
Yeah, that is, I think we get a lot of conversation from all across the board about how amazing he is. And he is a really, really good talent. I think he still needs some time to mature. And I do wonder those sort of big clubs could just leave him with us for a while to get to that level of maturity, please, before you decide to pay 75 million, get immediately annoyed that he doesn't score you 10 goals in a season.
00:10:22
Zak
and then loan him out to a league one club. But that'll be that. We also saw big legs make his reappearance today. He was on for Joe Rebo, who I think you've pointed out was a bit anonymous today and didn't really have the best game, but not the worst either.
00:10:38
Zak
Just sort of, he was there.
00:10:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. But then that can be said for any number of players on both teams. To be honest, it was just a bit, uh, a little bit anonymous, a little bit hidden, but yeah, I think it was fine. I think he came on and actually he he looked solid. He looked fine. He also drove the ball forward a few times. He didn't really make the same sort of mistakes we've seen from him. But I think like I said on the the episode about the new manager or maybe the episode about Russell Martin being gone.
00:11:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's kind of a clean slate at this point, right? Because you can't tell where the shortcomings of a player that we've seen on the pitch have been down to him trying to adjust to a system he doesn't like or actual player weaknesses.
00:11:10
Zak
Yeah.
00:11:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're not going to be able really to deduce that until two or three weeks of seeing them play. But I still see the promise there. And yeah, I'm sure he'll have a part to play.
00:11:32
Zak
For me, that I think has probably been slightly more critical than you on Big Lez. I think he did ah ah did a good job today and I think he was one of the few players that actually got the ball forward. ah you know He had one move where I think he just literally ran out of football field. But there were a couple of times where he did probably more than some of the others on the pitch to actually get the ball up there. So you know that was that was good to see. we had We had the reverse of the substitution last week where Sigelwara came off for James Bree and I don't know
00:12:03
Zak
If that just seems to be sort of pre-agreed conversations with Simon Russ to give them both the same amount of minutes because they're kind of interchangeable or what? Because it seemed really strange that, you know, like for like last week and like for like again.
00:12:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it kind of makes sense. They play the same position, admittedly, in slightly different ways. Yuki's far more interested in going forward than defending, although he did some defensive work today just fine. ah ah James Breed is the more solid, traditional style fullback that you'd expect. I think Yuki had a fine game. He was on a booking, which probably might play into it as well. It might just be a case of seeing that there was danger coming down that side and maybe yuki was maybe fresh legs was what was needed but yeah yeah absolutely it was either him or an armor tray or a who just seemed to play out of his skin when he came on it was crazy yeah
00:12:47
Zak
but Yeah, Wobi played really, really, really well. I think he was their biggest threat the entire game. And if it was coming, it was probably coming down that side. But but yeah, that was That was slightly up saying.
00:13:01
Zak
But you know we managed to hold it off. So I think that's a credit to the lads for actually being able to do that. Because previously, I don't think that would have been the case. We had a couple of hairy moments. But last sort of sub that we had was we finally got our wish of a archer tool pool for all of about four minutes without the service.
00:13:17
Zak
So Odo actually was on the pitch.
00:13:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah i don't know if we can count that certainly was uh i don't think he touched the ball but then he i think the substitution literally took place in the 90th
00:13:25
Zak
He did not.
Critique of Player Performance and Tactics
00:13:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
minute so but that's right we did nothing with i was i was hopeful they said early in the game when we had a corner saint said yeah to score from a corner this season and i that like registered in my brain some things don't and then it came back to late in the game and i think
00:13:28
Zak
It did. And then we had back to back to back to back to back corners, which e did nothing really. I don't think.
00:13:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
and like the 83rd minute we had a corner I'm like oh maybe that was foreshadowing maybe we're gonna get something good here and that just didn't really happen.
00:13:57
Zak
Yeah, I think There's quite a lot of of the game that that was like that, but it's I think that's just a very... By the but ah by the stats, it is very much a Fulham, Southampton type of game for things like that to happen. like I think if if anything was going to happen, it was going to be a moment of magic and it just didn't materialise from either side. And with us, I'm not really surprised because you know the confidence in the players is of the players is low. From Fulham, they were missing some of their key personnel.
00:14:26
Zak
The what I would refer to as the the Arsenal boys or who Used to play for us they all seem to be missing today either through injury or suspension They tried to bring on their talisman to scores against us quite often Is which is round Jimenez who managed you not score this game, which was quite nice?
00:14:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:46
Zak
so yeah, we've had a bit of a just a bit of a a weird game for and it's been hard to talk about for us because you know It's not been a huge amount, but there's a couple of other things that we've got on the agenda in part two or part three before sort of our final thoughts in the game. We'll also talk about the return of Aaron Ramsdale because he was back in the squad. So yeah, it's all good. And now a word from our partners at the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:15:16
Zak
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00:15:34
Zak
So yeah, obviously, as I said, there's not been a massive amount for us to talk about this game. um It's been exciting news with the new manager coming in. The new manager has been able to sort of see where we we're at, but a couple other things we kind of missed off.
00:15:48
Zak
Aaron Ramster was back between the sticks, mate. No more third slash fourth choice goalkeeper.
00:15:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:15:54
Zak
We had our, you know, our primary keeper back.
00:15:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
just four fingers instead
00:15:57
Zak
Yeah, so Pterodactyl handed it. That was bizarre. But yeah, it was nice to have him back. I kind of say that. Some of his distribution today, I stopped counting after about 10 when he'd kicked it out for a full-on throw-in.
00:16:15
Zak
I don't know why he kept trying to hit sort of that left-hand side, but he was never hitting it.
00:16:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:16:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Okay, Just it's four it is fingers instead. what is right the goal kicks were shocking But I think I said it before if he's gonna have shocking distribution and kick it out of play At least he's kicking out of play in their half instead of on the edge of our box where we're gonna concede a goal And it's fine. It's gonna happen It's gonna take him a while I think to get back into it I guess my main concern apart from that was with his
00:16:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
special gloves is it a case of coming back too early and pushing himself because is it going to come back to haunt us if he re-injures himself and he has to have another series of games out at what's going to be a much more important part of the season
00:17:03
Zak
I think if they've taken all of those precautions and they originally expected him to be back for spurs and they've put it off by a week, I think that it might just be an overabundance of caution. And at least that's what I hope. like He had surgery on it quite quickly, that seems to have healed up. you know I much prefer him in a goalkeeper's kit than doing punditry during the game where his manager at the time was fired.
00:17:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
What an awful thing.
00:17:32
Zak
The guy that literally went out of his way to...
00:17:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
In hindsight, what an awful thing to agree to.
00:17:37
Zak
i I absolutely...
00:17:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
What an awful position to be put in.
00:17:41
Zak
I still cannot understand how that was allowed from both the club, the broadcaster, the player himself and management.
00:17:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's just the naivety from the club. That's all it is.
00:17:49
Zak
Nuts.
00:17:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
There's no way they saw it playing out that way.
00:17:49
Zak
like
00:17:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that in itself is insane.
00:17:53
Zak
but Yeah, but that that says a lot more than you that you want about how well planned the last couple of weeks have been.
00:17:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
But actually having him goal paid off. He made a couple of really good big saves. I think he made one safe that was going in and a couple of touches on shots that weren't shots that could have been called crosses.
00:18:07
Zak
Still quite incisive though.
00:18:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that's how nothing the game was though. It's just loads of the five margins, right?
00:18:18
Zak
Yeah.
00:18:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
If one of them creeps in the back post when it's supposed to be across, it's a different story. So.
00:18:26
Zak
You've said to me before, if Rambo was in goal, would that make a difference? Do you reckon we would have lost if McCarthy or Lumley were in the goal? Or do you reckon it was that nothing that it wouldn't have been a problem?
00:18:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
probably one of them would have passed it to Iwobi directly at some point, always inevitably. say
00:18:44
Zak
do we What do we do? Because we've kind of shown that our third and fourth choice goalkeepers are not sort of where we want them to be, presumably still are injured but I guess will be our second.
Transfer Window Speculation
00:18:59
Zak
Do we pick someone up in January?
00:18:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
He should be back as soon as January, right? I think that i've heard that he that's sort of the timescale you'd expect for his injury.
00:19:02
Zak
Supposedly.
00:19:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know, that's a tricky one. With January spending is frankly going to be limited.
00:19:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's probably not going to be able to spend until we see players go out the door.
00:19:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do we want to spend money on a backup goal leave?
00:19:20
Zak
But do not see potentially Lumley going out.
00:19:24
Zak
my that was mark That was more to my point. At this point, he was brought in under the under Russell Martin, supposedly to play second fiddle to Bazouno. He gets that opportunity and the but in the championship, but that's thrown away because they decide to start McCarthy. He only gets his opportunity this year because McCarthy ends up injured.
00:19:44
Zak
He puts an alright account of himself, but then gets kind of thrown under the bus a little bit because it's like, oh, well, all the the fans were saying kick it out as we kicked out.
00:19:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:19:53
Zak
And then he conceded. But now I'm just like, if Pazuni's back and then you've got Ramsdale and McCarthy, you know, who's admittedly, I think he only signed a 12 month deal, right?
00:20:05
Zak
Is he going to stay or if if you're him, do you go? I think now might be a time for me to move on.
00:20:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
I dunno, I just don't know if that moves the needle much in the way of in the way of money coming in or out, to be honest. It seems to be good around the dressing room and have a positive impact and I guess it deter it wonders how much of an impact that has on the decision making of our incoming manager who
00:20:19
Zak
probably not to be fair but it's it's interesting there's a lot of players that have liked that I think
00:20:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think maybe it's quite as high on his priority list as it was on Martins to create that kind of atmosphere. It's maybe a ah ah diplomatic way of putting it. So I don't know.
00:20:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know how the answers, but I just, it feels like, especially with Baz coming back from injury at some point, that maybe our money would be better spent somewhere else.
00:20:50
Zak
Proud of you, mate.
00:21:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Someone who can, knows where the goal is, the other end of the pitch, perhaps.
00:21:08
Zak
I can't help but feel with some of the substitutions today and watching watch us play and if the new manager did have some sort of influence over what's going on today.
00:21:20
Zak
I can't help but feel that time is up in January for some people at the club and that's the kind of vibe and like I will point out that we did not see Kornae either in the matchday squad or the subs and I don't know if he's still about yeah or not at this point.
00:21:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
definitely Definitely.
00:21:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know.
00:21:40
Zak
So interesting
00:21:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
It certainly wasn't saving him for Boxing Day because we're playing his parent club so he's unavailable for selection.
00:21:47
Zak
Yeah, so that's what I mean.
00:21:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm sure that really matters in the decision making process at this point.
00:21:48
Zak
is
00:21:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know.
00:21:52
Zak
it It's been an interesting, I was always fascinated by the the team selection of these last two games, and I was always going to be.
00:21:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Speaks volumes.
00:21:59
Zak
I don't really know how much it's told us, and I don't know how much influence today has had. But we will finish this game up, mate, with the fact that we ended up without losing.
00:22:10
Zak
We didn't win.
00:22:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah it's
00:22:11
Zak
but We got a draw, so that's a point on the board, which is one more point than we had yesterday.
00:22:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
a clean sheet since would be evident i think i know mate home office is shut for christmas now it might be uh might take a minute
00:22:15
Zak
And we got a clean sheet for the first time in what feels like 100 years. Goodness gracious me, that's upsetting. So we go into our first home game under the new manager. So if his work permit is, of course, passed by that point with some some sort of positives to take.
00:22:36
Zak
yeah Depends, maybe they can pay to get it the chain. um But either way, we we go into
00:22:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
i me that it knowing how tight our board is, that envelope's been sent back and forth, they've missed the Christmas card off. a
00:22:53
Zak
Right, well, with all of that fun, thank you for joining us today, the full of match review.
Conclusion and Social Media Reminder
00:22:59
Zak
We've got, we'll see, a busy festive period coming up. We're going to have probably still content coming out, mainly because we've got the West Ham game coming up on Boxing Day. So if you, thank you very much for listening, first and foremost, to old listeners and new. Catch us upon all of the social medias, Twitter, Blue Sky, Instagram, TikTok, all that fun stuff. And once again, thank you very much for listening today.
00:23:21
Zak
and we will see you in the next one.